Gulf between Boks and Blacks
24 Nov 2012
RYAN VREDE, in London, reports Jean de Villiers feels there is a significant difference in class between the All Blacks and his Springboks and that will take some bridging.
The world champions have been denied victory just once in 2012 (they’ve won 19 of their last 20 Tests), drawing with Australia. Their hot streak has featured some sublime performances, and they have become the benchmark against which many measure the Springboks. This was particularly evident when the Blacks put 50 on Scotland and the Springboks stuttered to an 11-point victory in Edinburgh a week later.
These comparisons are, of course, unfair on De Villiers’ young and inexperienced side. The Blacks’ standing now has been years in the making, while the Springboks are in the infancy of their journey. De Villiers was liberal in his praise of the Blacks, but also appealed for some perspective when judging the Springboks.
‘I think that gap is very big still between us and them. But then you look at the Dunedin result and we were in the game in Soweto before they outplayed us and we think that we’re really getting there,’ he said.
‘That’s a special team. They are showing the value of experience and of settled combinations. It takes time to build something like that. We’ve said a lot about soft moments costing us games this season, and experience helps to lower the chance of that. As an experienced player you’ve been there, made those mistakes and learned from it. Its about getting through that rough patch, and if they do the value will be there to see.’
But while the standard of measurement is likely to remain the All Blacks and consistent victory over them, De Villiers stressed the importance of the result at Twickenham against England in the context of their season.
‘The reality is that if you don’t win you’re looking at a 50% win ratio, which is below this team’s standards,’ he said. ‘We’ve only lost three [and drawn two], but it is important for us to win this one so we can go into next year with confidence. We’ve worked hard and had a reasonably successful tour from a results point of view. But we have to step up in different facets of our game, especially the attack.’
In saying that De Villiers touched on a sore point for the bulk of the South African rugby fraternity. The Springboks have scored just three tries on tour against opposition considered inferior, which has fuelled the widely held belief that they are conservative to the point of it being terminal. De Villiers disagrees.
‘There’s always ambition. The opponents don’t always allow you to do what you want. But you get judged by the result and people quickly forget about how you played when you win. History will reflect the score not the style,’ he said.
The Springboks will keep believing that they can replicate the try-scoring feats of the 2007, 2009 and 2010 Bulls (who led the tournament for try scoring in the last two of those years), whose method was identical. De Villiers pointed out that the lower standards of defence in Super Rugby had to be considered, but agreed that that is ultimately was where they wanted to take their attacking game.
‘We’re still very far off that. The way that they achieved that is with exactly the same game plan. It comes down to the decision making and clinical finishing, which is where we’ve lacked. Also those were very settled sides. That is the end goal.
‘We won’t lose focus of where we’re going and sticking to what we’re good at. If we can do that and win, I’m happy. We can’t please everybody. The flip side is that the high expectation is so crucial. Once you lose that and people don’t care anymore, then you’re in trouble. Our standards will drop and we won’t be able to get to No 1.’
315 Comments
23 Nov 2012, 14:34 pm
this gulf should not exist!
23 Nov 2012, 14:34 pm
That gulf will remain as long as the Boks are coached the they are currently. If HM doesn’t get any decent backline coaches etc the Boks will remain very dour.
23 Nov 2012, 14:36 pm
You are the problem!
23 Nov 2012, 14:50 pm
cheating and being allowed to get away with it is the problem.
23 Nov 2012, 14:51 pm
Useless article! We all know that is the current situation.
It should not exist and doesnt have to. But some of the factors are under SARU’s control and some solutions require the provinces losing power. Will that happen?
23 Nov 2012, 14:52 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-4: Definitely one of the problems! But the Boks cant allow AB’s favourable treatment stop them from porgressing. Currently our backline, 9 and 10 are nowhere near where they should be.
Our pack is better than NZ. AS often is the case.
23 Nov 2012, 14:52 pm
@grant10-1: Agree 100% with you Grant.
You forgot your “Dragons” though
23 Nov 2012, 14:53 pm
Off with his head !!!!!!!!!!!!
What a thing to say for the publIc, I don’t like it at all, all this honesty, first Hoohaa, now him. Kiwis must be loving it.
Yaryar mate those bl**dy saffas admitting they inferior, we can really stick it to them during rucks,mauls whatever, totally destroy their confidence.
Sometimes you just need to STFU….
23 Nov 2012, 14:56 pm
As the latest SA Rugby mag points out – a few more penalties kicked and it wouldve been very different.
1 more in 3rd Test v England – win
One more in Mendoza – win
3 or 4 more in NZ – a famous win
Boks couldve been something like 7 wins, 2 losses.
Who was kicking again in those games?
23 Nov 2012, 14:58 pm
@Treehugger-8: hahaha, nah I think its a good move.
Boks are best with underdog tag.
They also emphasizing the youth and inexperience in the side mainly for England to focus on
23 Nov 2012, 15:03 pm
Defeatist Donkey De Villiers…
No ballas… Clearly.
23 Nov 2012, 15:04 pm
@bokfan1-10: next thing they will be all touchy feely and wanting to discuss how sensitive they are and in touch with their feminine side.
23 Nov 2012, 15:04 pm
@bokfan1-9: You are so deluded. First it’s the cheating and then it’s what could have been if SA had a better kicker.
23 Nov 2012, 15:06 pm
@Heavens Game-11:
“Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood.”
De Villiers has no manhood…
23 Nov 2012, 15:07 pm
@bokfan1-6:
absolutely agreed.
pre-isolation boks were far superior backline runners of the ball than the all blacks could ever dream to be and post-isolation the 1998 hard running combos of joost & (lem) honiball, pieter muller & andre snyman were devastating to the kissing cousins. throw slaptjips, montgomery and terblanche into the mix too.
were very very dangerous taking it to the line.
@Treehugger-8:
agreed.
23 Nov 2012, 15:08 pm
“A lost battle is a battle one thinks one has lost.”…
The current Bok Captain thinks of Loss…
23 Nov 2012, 15:08 pm
One consolation….we don’t have a player that wears eye liner and ribbons and beads in his hair. Mrgreen:
23 Nov 2012, 15:09 pm
@Heavens Game-11: Come on HG we can say many things of Jean, but he DEFINITELY has ballas!
23 Nov 2012, 15:10 pm
@Treehugger-17: HAHAHAHAHAHA, and uses fake tan! (video on news24)
although Estebeth reckons Nonu tackles the hardest of them all, so maybe there is something to it
23 Nov 2012, 15:10 pm
“Carry the battle to them. Don’t let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don’t ever apologize for anything.”…
Jean is an apologist…
23 Nov 2012, 15:12 pm
“he battle of life is, in most cases, fought uphill; and to win it without a struggle were perhaps to win it without honor. If there were no difficulties there would be no success; if there were nothing to struggle for, there would be nothing to be achieved.”…
De Villiers has had it too easy… never had to struggle at WP/Stormers… walk out and then walk straight back in without ever having to wait in line…
23 Nov 2012, 15:19 pm
@gonzo-13: Sorry Gonzo – that is not the complete view of what I think.
The kicking: what I meant was in reply to Jean’s comments like “…a 50% win ratio” and “History will reflect the score not the style”
How close the margins are in Test rugby.
The ABs have won games they should not have due to unsportsman-like behaviour not being penalised and players not being carded off the field. This has allowed them to get to #1 and increase the gap on #2.
However, Im not sure you can say Im “deluded” because I did also say it might be a factor, but cannot be a reason for the Boks not to progress(@bokfan1-6)
The shortcomings in the Boks are no one’s fault but their own.
- selection
- obsession with size
- players in form
- players out of position
- current assistant coaches good enough?
Also:
- Skills – passing off both hands etc
- Running attack lines
- Running support lines
- offloading in tackle
- Running into space, or at least at weak shoulder
Finally areas like:
- Central contracts with SARU (so players can be rested)
- Knowledge sharing between ex-Bok coaches and current ones
- Handover between coaches
- More continuity of coaches
- SARU politics overall (some ex-coaches excluded, Unions have power, Kings debacle etc)
23 Nov 2012, 15:19 pm
@Heavens Game-21: Right, did JPP, Beast, Kanko wait in line? Talent is recognized and then given chance to grow. JDV is one of our most capped centres of all time, has one many games for the boks, some of them because of a moment of brilliance from him!
Last I checked he had to play wing or was on the bench while De Wet Barry was playing #12.
No your facts buddy.
23 Nov 2012, 15:21 pm
@Heavens Game-21: Plus he has had to suffer three major injuries right before 3 world cups!
“De Villiers has had it too easy…”
Whatever!
23 Nov 2012, 15:24 pm
Mujati’s Bok Concession Denied:
http://ewn.co.za/2012/11/23/First-on-EWN-Mujati-refused-concession
I agree with the Minister – same laws and procedures for all; no exceptions; no favouratism.
What was HM thinking?
23 Nov 2012, 15:26 pm
@Angostura-25: That artcile has it dwars, it’s not a IRB regulation keeping Mujati playing for us, but rather our own nationalist ideals driven by communit ANC idiots.
They have no practicality only idealism!
23 Nov 2012, 15:26 pm
@bokfan1-19: have always rated Nonu, on a good day he is superb.
23 Nov 2012, 15:30 pm
@goodstuff-26:
suggest you read the news clip again – you misunderstand what is being stated.
23 Nov 2012, 15:41 pm
@goodstuff-23: Heavens Game doesn’t care much for facts.
Just for talking nonsense and desperately trying to sound macho while he does it.
His racism on previous posts is also disgusting.
23 Nov 2012, 15:42 pm
Disappointing. Only excuses and deflection from Devilliers. He always talks about building towards something and improving but the reality is the Boks have regressed since the 2nd English test. The only thing they’re building towards is becoming a consistent 60-65 % win-rate team with the occasional win against the AB’s.
Loubscher, Van Graan, Koen, McFarland, the team doctor, the physio who relays Heinekens messages OUT
Mallet, Louden/Campo/CarelDup IN
23 Nov 2012, 15:43 pm
@SIumtown-29:
Agreed Slummers. HG is a racist twit.
23 Nov 2012, 15:44 pm
@bokfan1-22: Ok, I’ll let you have that. If only NZ had a better kicker too, we’d have won the world cup in 2007, 2003, 1995.
23 Nov 2012, 15:51 pm
in 2013, I would like to see JDV dropped to the bench. Francois Louw looks like captain material.
Frans Steyn at 12 and any one of JDJ, JP, Jordaan or J Fourie at 13.
New coaches would be a welcome change too. Regardless of whether Heyneke Meyer stays or goes Laubscher, Louis koen and Van Graan have all over-stayed their welcome.
23 Nov 2012, 15:55 pm
@SIumtown-29: I call you a liar… Now before I stop laughing at your frustrated impotence go quote my rampant “racism”, ncau
23 Nov 2012, 15:57 pm
@McAwesome-31: Is he? Much like McAwesome is a typically cowardly sheepshagger… yeah?
23 Nov 2012, 15:57 pm
@Heavens Game-34: Haha have a nice day at school HG. Slumtown and Mcawesome are your teachers today!
23 Nov 2012, 15:59 pm
rubbish…the”gulf” only exists because you lot refuse to play, you are obsessed with percentages & gainline skirmishes…you are afraid you will be exposed as to how poor your skills sets are.
“soft moments” se gat…ireland ran the ball 96 times, you lot 44 times…you do that against well coached attacking sides – who actually have REAL backline & attack coaches – you will see your gat like it happened at FNB stadium…
23 Nov 2012, 15:59 pm
@Kaizan-33: What makes “Francois Louw looks like captain material” genius – he stand 7ft tall and shoot lightning bolts out of his a.rse?
23 Nov 2012, 16:00 pm
pops in the dwang again?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10849568
23 Nov 2012, 16:00 pm
@Heavens Game-34: I have nothing to say to you.
I have been truly disgusted by some of your racist comments on here. It saddens me to think that people like you are still lurking about giving white South Africans and Zimbabweans a bad name.
23 Nov 2012, 16:01 pm
@Kaizan-36: Impotent winky… Come to Daddy and see who plays teacher…
23 Nov 2012, 16:01 pm
@Heavens Game-38: I’m afraid I’m not your teacher today HG.
Slumtown and Mcawesome have that honour/ burden.
Go ask them your questions if youre confused.
23 Nov 2012, 16:02 pm
@SIumtown-40: You’ve just said something… And you are wrong… No evidence, unsubstantiated… Typically dumbfuck….
Obviously
23 Nov 2012, 16:02 pm
@Heavens Game-41: That’s just sif bru. Youre a sif ou.
23 Nov 2012, 16:03 pm
@Kaizan-42:
Sorry Kaizan, I’m not teaching HG anything. No point trying to change the mind of a racist like him.
We’ve all seen his racist rants on previous posts. Just let him be.
Im not going to waste my time on him.
23 Nov 2012, 16:04 pm
@Kaizan-42: No confusion here… Just teaching you little twinkies the difference between realism, racism and bigotry… Not that you would understand, being the lily white mlungu ngulubes you all are…
23 Nov 2012, 16:04 pm
“But you get judged by the result and people quickly forget about how you played when you win. History will reflect the score not the style,’ he said.” We hear this all the time, but I have to strongly disagree! Who remembers most of the teams of the 70s besides the great Welsh team with the likes of the exciting JPR Williams and his ilk? Who knows much about most of the teams of the 80s beyond a team like the Wallabies of the likes of the Ella brothers and Campo?
People don’t remember some dry numbers recorded on a piece of paper, they remember swashbuckling, heart-rate-raising stars who mesmerize us with their style. No-one will remember your lot, JdV. They’ll remember the All Blacks magic and style, not just the numbers on a dry piece of paper.
23 Nov 2012, 16:05 pm
@McAwesome-45: Lol agreed. I have nothing to say to him either.
Saw that you are calling an English win eh?… Wanna put your money where your mouth is?
23 Nov 2012, 16:06 pm
@Heavens Game-46: Unsubscribe.
23 Nov 2012, 16:07 pm
@Kaizan-48: I think they’ll win. They just seem hungrier to me. The time feels right for them to get a win against you, Its coming…
No money though, I’m not that confident
23 Nov 2012, 16:07 pm
@Kaizan-44: Yes… As a janitor I pissonshit and shitonpiss, after which I shovel it all away…
Consider yourself pissedon, with McAnal and Slum sh.at on from a dizzy height…
Now its time for shovelling all you pissingshitting little cowards…
23 Nov 2012, 16:09 pm
@McAwesome-50: Haha didn’t think so!
Well I’ll be supporting the men in green full on tomorrow, unlike Heavens Game who supports the opposition to “teach Heyneke Meyer a lesson” like the lttle embarrassment he is.
Anyway, I gotta roll man. Speak later.
Enjoy the inevitable rants from HG in 5, 4, 3, 2…
23 Nov 2012, 16:09 pm
hope jean is not becoming another corne krige
23 Nov 2012, 16:09 pm
@Kaizan-49: @McAwesome-50: And I there I was thinking I was gonna be taught…
Run like the wind twinkies… Run
23 Nov 2012, 16:11 pm
@Heavens Game-54: You can’t be taught. You’re straight up too dumb.
Even Skop owns you. It’s pathetic.
You wanna quit while youre behind mate. It’s damage control at this point.
23 Nov 2012, 16:16 pm
@the authority-55: And there I was thinking that you “know” me “personally” as you stated in an earlier post…
I call you for the lily livered liar and fantasist you are…
Next time replace “mate” with Sir, Baas or Mr HG, then we talk…
23 Nov 2012, 16:18 pm
HG I know you and you are a twat.
And everyone knows that you are Poltergeist too. Everyone knows.
I piss on your face.
23 Nov 2012, 16:19 pm
@Heavens Game-56: Forgot the signoff “you are the authority”… Silly me.
The authority of taking it like a man… a very fem man… obviously
23 Nov 2012, 16:22 pm
even your sense of humour is dated.
Quit while youre behind mate. Your pathetic reputation has taken too much of a hit.
No one likes you on here.
23 Nov 2012, 16:24 pm
@the authority-57: Lies, my little one son… HG is HG and HG only… No one else… Now I know that my legend has grown to encompass other nics…. Some eloquent, others offensive but all mostly interesting… Sadly, I have to own up and admit not I…
But I am happy for you to continue thinking to the contrary… It seems you read me in many others…
Indeed, I am EVERYWHERE!!!
23 Nov 2012, 16:27 pm
All Blacks are playing awesome rugby and even as a Bok supporter I love watching them.
We are still hopefully going to get better, problem is so will they.
Who knows, with a more settled side and some of our first choice players back from injury we could give them a better go, but not at their own game.
23 Nov 2012, 16:28 pm
@the authority-59: I take that as a sure asnuts compliment… The tittlers, tattlers, runts and c.unts in the various getalong gangs “dont like me”… I must be doing something right…
PS My “dated sense of humour” is not for your benefit… Its for mine… I am everywhere afterall and another “me” would obviously find it funny…
Now get a grip, dunce…
23 Nov 2012, 16:29 pm
Pffft take your tongue out your arse pipsqueak.
Youre a joke. Your mother should be ashamed she gave birth to a little disappointment like you.
Insecure little nothing. Keep adding smiley faces to your posts you unsure of yourself little excuse of a man.
Not worthy of my time, you are dismissed. Run along now, theres a good boy.
23 Nov 2012, 16:32 pm
Haha Yet another schooling for Heavens Game.
23 Nov 2012, 16:42 pm
@the authority-63: Wrong again… On the contrary, my Mummy, bless her soul, is very proud of me…
But your Mum… another story… I actually reckon she needs a farken good slap for inflicting you on this farked up WP propaganda blogging world and not teaching you any distinguishable traits of ruggabugger manliness at all…
Btw I do have a maid – or domestic executive, call it what you like -position available at Casa HG… Some fem traits needed, so it could be right up your street… But you better be as fugly as sin or banshee will fire your *** like the last one…
23 Nov 2012, 16:42 pm
@Transformation-37:
ireland ran the ball 96 times and lost.
let me guess, you love action/war movies involving heroic characters who risk their lives for a noble cause or in defense of a cherished people/territory and involves a plotline seeing them only go on to ultimately fail and lose all, though leave an inspirational mark in time and space, for all eternity, to fire the souls of all true men through the acts of their bravery and sacrifice…
23 Nov 2012, 16:43 pm
get real sonny
wake up
23 Nov 2012, 16:43 pm
@Daddy-64: So… Daddy = Authority = Kaizan = Mofo Mofgatte…
The wonders of anodyne anon blogging…
Farken dumbfucks deluxe
23 Nov 2012, 16:46 pm
what happened at FNB was down to outright dishonest and organised cheating, plain and simple…
23 Nov 2012, 16:46 pm
Please make him stop mommy!
The bad man is scaring us.
23 Nov 2012, 16:46 pm
Gotta love this new little fanclub of mine…
Almost expecting Stawmy, Dawny, Keurboom Park to pop out like terrapin heads any moment soon too…
Feel the Love
23 Nov 2012, 16:47 pm
I’ve had an epiphany!
I just realised that I just don’t care anymore if the Boks win or lose. I just want them to play rugby.
23 Nov 2012, 16:47 pm
@Heavens Game-68: Haha yeah, anyone who doesn’t like you are all the same person.
Oh and about my mother being slapped. more online threats of violence eh? Wow tough guy behind your computer.
Maybe its time to log on Poltergeist with your tail between your legs.
Loser.
23 Nov 2012, 16:49 pm
@TooMuchRugby-70: You forgot racist somewhere in there too, umfana…
Get with it…
Farken mhlope izingulube unite… Simunye, we are one
23 Nov 2012, 16:49 pm
I don’t have time for you HG.
Skop will resume his regular ownership of you later. We outsource the more low-level jobs to him.
Until further notice, you are dismissed.
23 Nov 2012, 16:50 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-69:
Yes, the Boks were dishonest. They were actually telling everybody they were playing rugby, while it actually just a WWF rehearsal.
23 Nov 2012, 16:52 pm
@Heavens Game-74:
Wie’s Oom Faan?
23 Nov 2012, 16:54 pm
@the authority-73: Nope… No rest for the wicked…
And by all evidence of the ridiculous, twinky bullshitt you masquerade as blogposts I reckon no rest for your Mum at all…
For truly she must be wicked… or she made a very wicked mistake…
You must have been that mistake….
But if you weren’t a mistake, then she deserves punishment for her very diabolical sin…
Her sin of inconsequence… Her Sin of Authority…
You are the authority…
23 Nov 2012, 16:56 pm
@TooMuchRugby-76:
i know that you know that you dont really believe what you’ve just said there.
whether its somewhere close to the top or deep down inside… we (you and i) know that you know.
23 Nov 2012, 16:57 pm
@the authority-75: Run along now, umfana… Suka isitabani… Musuka ukohla kukipa lenyoka phakathi nguus wakho… Okay
23 Nov 2012, 16:59 pm
Eish… Where’s my fanclub gone…? Where’d they run away to…? Come back children…
Pretty Please?
23 Nov 2012, 16:59 pm
When bloggers have to resort to desperate stabs at other peoples family, thats when you know they have been well and truly defeated.
Heavens game – you are a defeated man.
Its kinda sad to watch as you squirm but to no avail.
Dont worry theres always hope for you later when you are relegated to a lower league, arguing with skop… Not much hope, but hope nonetheless. My monies on skop though.
23 Nov 2012, 17:03 pm
@Daddy-82: Agreed.
Heavens Game is a defeated little racist.
23 Nov 2012, 17:04 pm
I promise I wont let on again that you are all one and the same… I promise to be nice… I will never call you the lily white effeminate, bitchy little “metrosexual” mofgatte you really are ever again…
I also promise not to slap your Mums for their obvious mistakes… When a kick up the no doubt ample backsides will do just as well…
Promise?
23 Nov 2012, 17:07 pm
@Daddy-82: Who started with family first, sonny boy… Ask yourself that and then go look at the posts… Why, it was you=authority of course in post no. 63…
Nearly done and dusted…
Lesson almost over…
But stick with me and maybe I make you famous…
One famed fuckwit
23 Nov 2012, 17:09 pm
@Heavens Game-85: Wrong again dumbass. Not everyone who disagrees with you is the same person.
23 Nov 2012, 17:09 pm
Haha as soon as you get outed as Poltergeist, you start accusing everyone who opposes your racism as the same person.
Utterly pathetic
23 Nov 2012, 17:11 pm
@Daddy-87: leave him be. I used to enjoy his posts but when i read all his racist nonsense, i quickly went off him.
HG is a sad racist. you will never change him. dont waste your breath.
23 Nov 2012, 17:12 pm
@SIumtown-83: Racist this… Racist that… Coming from a lily white slummies without one clue of the vernacular, definitely slightly ironic….
Now wouldn’t you also agree with that?
No you wouldn’t, hey dumbfuck… Nevertheless if you still struggling with a bit of dosh I do have a gardening executive position open…
A boring, repetitive job… Should be right up your street… Dumbfuck savants allowed only…
23 Nov 2012, 17:14 pm
@the authority-86: No… But you obviously are…
Obviously…
Disagree is a strong word here…
Here I was thinking you had learnt your lesson… But you haven’t…
Fark, Mummy needs another spanking just for that, ne?
23 Nov 2012, 17:15 pm
@Heavens Game-90: Last act of a desperate man.
You just exude patheticness.
23 Nov 2012, 17:16 pm
@SIumtown-88: Agreed. Better things to do with my life.
So long HG. Enjoy riding out this discussion by yourself… Maybe you can log in as Poltergeist and keep it going for longer.
23 Nov 2012, 17:16 pm
@Daddy-87: What racism, Daddy?
You mean exposing lily white probably suburban glowing emos who have definitely never set foot on hallowed grass of Billy Webbs Heavenly Fields of rugby for the dumfuck cowardly little wets they are…
Then yeah, I am as racist asfuck…
23 Nov 2012, 17:18 pm
@Daddy-91: Keep telling yourself that… It looks like your “momentum” is faltering… Bandwidth low? Running out of airtime?
Never fear… Just call Mummy…
23 Nov 2012, 17:24 pm
All Good times must come to an end…
See you later fanboys
Hasta La vista Babies…
23 Nov 2012, 17:50 pm
And they are flippin grown men.
23 Nov 2012, 17:51 pm
@charo-39: Hahahahahaha
23 Nov 2012, 18:12 pm
At last.
23 Nov 2012, 18:35 pm
This Gulf has been obvious since the Boks readmission to Professional Sport.
You see the lack of imagination amongst the Bok S15 teams.
The Stormers were the best defensive team this year in the S15 but **** on attack.
The Sharks showed glimmers but when looking at Centre combo’s of Bosman and Whitehead, only Whitehead offers magic.
The Bulls are Meyers Boks but in Blue. So that means boring up and unders.
Cheetahs play the most expansive game in the SA, but this is a new development. They hadn’t perfected such in the past years.
Lions were just ****, but Mitchell tried to get them running a little with ball in hand. They had their best game against the FORCE last season when Janjties and Taute were unbelievable.
My point is, is that as a rugby nation we live in the Old Private School House Master mode. We need to move our game forward.
23 Nov 2012, 19:10 pm
The place stinks when the HG pervert is in the room. Sies.
23 Nov 2012, 19:16 pm
@Heavens Game-14:
Dear HG that must be some of the most dribble I have ever read on this site. Your testoterone driven quotes are completely relative differing from one set of circumstances to another.
Further, for G sake we talking a sport of rugby here. Not the battle of Spioenkop or Bloed Rivier or surviving Agent Orange.
Let me tell you. No one, but no one who is a world champion or national champion or No1 is a looser in mentality. None of these players, however much they can be criticised reach that level of achievement with a loosers attitude.
Jean may appear like a donkey. And your rugby knowledge, I take it, is way above average. But I have seen him doing many a good thing in every match he has played.
And then further to say he had it easy peasy just walking in and out of teams at will. What the fook do you mean he never had to suffer?? What suffering. Play rugby with one arm ala Greame Smith?
I’m not a statitician, but he missed a world cup due to iinjury, was injured in another one. Had long layoff because of injury. Is that easy peasy? It comes with huge disappointment from where you have to pick yourself up again. And again. And…
And all your ballas comments simply because of a ‘loosers’ comment the guy made. Maybe it did not come out in the way your Dale Carnegie and other self help books prescribe, but **** my man cool down.
Brekers often find that their children are ***. Go and ask yourself the question.
23 Nov 2012, 19:21 pm
particularly evident when the Blacks put 50 on Scotland and the Springboks stuttered to an 11-point victory in Edinburgh a week later.
That is such **** – it comes across as All Blacks put 50 past the scots and we only put 11 past them. The points difference was 29 in the AB case and 11 in our case which is still a large gap but not as shocking sounding as 50 vs 11. Comeon man sensationlism.
23 Nov 2012, 19:38 pm
The last time JdV played in a team that reached a final was 2002, and he was on the wing.
Make’s you think…
23 Nov 2012, 19:54 pm
@mxhosa-103:
That’s bad luck. I’m sure, as a professional, he has been sharing in the spoils. MMMmmm World Cup 2007. CC2012. Must be a handsome liitle brown envelope hand out every time
23 Nov 2012, 19:56 pm
@mxhosa-103: I think his days are numbered. For ages now he’s just been a crash test dummy. Need someone with a bit more swagger to fill the no 13 jersey.
23 Nov 2012, 19:58 pm
@cuntlyn-104: Jean was a brilliant player in his day and still adds a lot of value to the team, but you gotta admit, he isnt as sharp as he used to be on attack…?
23 Nov 2012, 20:42 pm
I see Katman’s cheerleaders are trying to get under HG’s skin, how funny is that.
HG might be almost always wrong but is anything but a racist, they are absolutely ridiculous.
23 Nov 2012, 20:51 pm
@John1976-107:
Have you read some of the nonsense he’s written on previous threads? Straight up racist slander.
On more than one occasion he’s said the “darker skinned contingent” are ruining southern africa. He also said the ozzies did the job properly on the abbos but still call saffas racist.
He’s an ignorant fool.
23 Nov 2012, 20:52 pm
Jean served WP, Stormers and SA very well but I always felt that he was more show than substance.
Coming from a supporter.
I will never rate him in the class of a John Villet (as a distributor) or as a Christian Stewart (as a passer of the ball)
He started off as this young boy who could hit the gap and off load with “soft hands” or take the gap and score a try but unfortunately, his “coaches” coached that ability out of him. Yes, there are still many examples of great individual tries scored by him but the hype around him (when he started) was never fulfilled. Unfortunately.
Great servant of the game though and I hope he’ll do the honorable thing after tomorrow and retire from international rugby.
I still see a role for him at WP/Stormers bringing some of the youngsters through over the next year or two. Only as a starter every 2nd or 3rd game though.
23 Nov 2012, 20:53 pm
@SIumtown-108: ask wnbb, skop, daddy, hurricane, mcawesome, to name a few…
23 Nov 2012, 21:03 pm
@John1976-107:
A dark person defending HG as non racist while the fair skinned see him as racist. The irony.
He may be a proper doos, in capitol letters, but I’ve encountered more racism from some of these enlightened ones, KATMAN included, than I’ve ever seen from HG.
Racist he is not.
DOOS, absolutely.
This “RACIST” word is bandied around much too easily imo.
I mean, Poppa just said that “SA players don’t have the skills that the AB have” and that was seen as “racist”
Wat de vok?
Katman call me “a sad, little BROWNCOCK and nobody said anything.
What exactly is the definition of a racist on this site? I think we should start there and get this over with so that we can move on.
23 Nov 2012, 21:10 pm
@John1976-107: Agreed
23 Nov 2012, 21:10 pm
I’ll give my input when I get back at around 02H00 or there about.
Lekker aand.
23 Nov 2012, 21:12 pm
@ryecatcher-112: Let us learn to laugh.We cannot go through life being offended by perceived insults
23 Nov 2012, 21:14 pm
@nama1-111: Good man.The word loses its meaning when it is used as a mantra to settle any argument.
23 Nov 2012, 21:15 pm
#111 nama1 – absolutely correct HG is obviously not playing ball and has strong opinions that must be grating them. HG also does not defend himself by accusing people of being racist like Katman and his ilk. That says alot, he might be a moron and doos but definitely not a racist even after the comments slumtown are referring.
23 Nov 2012, 21:16 pm
@ryecatcher-114:
How do we determine when it is perceived or when it is real?
This is the internet, remember? I can’t look you in the eyes to see if you are saying it “jokingly” or if you are serious.
23 Nov 2012, 21:23 pm
@nama1-117: We cannot But after several
posts one begins to understand him. I agree with you.There are some rabid
racists on this site who get away with it.My personal observations taken over
a period of time helps me to discern.There are few things worse than liberal
raCISTS.
23 Nov 2012, 21:25 pm
@John1976-116:
I did not see the comments but I think after about 5 year of blogging together, you sussed certain people out. Granted, some may still “surprise” you, as Katman did two weeks ago.
We all know that HG is trolling for the most part and he acknowledged in the past that he is only looking for reaction.
Is he a racist? I really don’t think so.
Is he a DOOS? I said it to him a few times and he was fine with it.
People must define a RACIST so that we know exactly where to draw the line. Nowadays you can’t even question HM’s selection of Hougaard ahead of Mvovo than you are called a racis. Don’t know what they call Hougaard now. Now that he questions his own selection ahead of Mvovo.
Suid Afrika is so vokken…, nee. Suid Afrika se mense is so vokken mal.
23 Nov 2012, 21:26 pm
@ryecatcher-118: Listen to them at dinner parties or functions when liquor loosens there
tongues and inhibitions.I try to never swear on a post.But am close to it now.
23 Nov 2012, 21:28 pm
And possibly the only one I respect is WNNB.What the hell is that an acronym for?
23 Nov 2012, 21:32 pm
@ryecatcher-118:
“There are few things worse than liberal
raCISTS.”
That’s my pet hate.
People asked me why I conversed with a guy like Hondo? I always told them that it was because I knew exactly where I stood with him. I’d still rather “talk” to a guy like him than many other on here. These same guys however, will have you know that THEY abhor “racists” like Hondo. (Sorry Hondo to use you as an example.)
In actual fact, they are worse. They just don’t realize it.
Now you have these crocodiles (as I call them) smiling with you but in the mean time they’ll devour you if they get the chance.
23 Nov 2012, 21:38 pm
Hougaard is certainly not happy at the moment and does not want the tag of HM’s favourite seeing the messiah is going out of fashion at the rate of knots. Coming back the HG issue, my opinion is that HG has created for himself an online persona and having fun by being obnoxious and extremely difficult.
23 Nov 2012, 21:39 pm
Guys if you had actually read some of what HG has written on here before about the “darker skinned contingent”, you would know what many of us are talkibg about… Maybe its just troll-artistery, but still pretty offensive nonetheless.
23 Nov 2012, 21:47 pm
# 122 Nama1 – i must confess that I quite enjoy Hondo’s posts even if is predictable. I also have a nice laugh at his in game commentary, i am convince that Hondo plays an important role in showing how stupid it is to blame players based on their hue. He does an excellent job at poking fun at guys seriously viewing games in that fashion.
23 Nov 2012, 21:48 pm
@Daddy-124:
Dads, the thing is this. You remember our conversation re HM not being a racist two weeks ago?
You commented on something I said and your last words were: “HM ids not a racist.” I then asked you, where I ever said that he was.
Now, the question is this: Who determines when somebody makes a racist statement or not?
HG has been blogging here for more than 5 years afa I can remember.
What was the “racist” comments he made and what was the CONTEXT of the conversation at that stage?
I really have not seen it.
23 Nov 2012, 21:51 pm
If one is willing to take the time to write a response or post, then one can take the time to decide whether such post is hurtful, irresponsible or down right insulting to another person.
Amazing that we live in a time where people can get fired or have their lives ruined by irresponsible Facebook or twitter posts, yet when someone is anonymous on a site that should be used by people brought together by their love of rugby, the don’t stop to think and jump in with both feet.
I shudder to think what kids who want to read about their rugby heroes might come across when people are going at each other hammer and thongs.
Maybe Keo should have an age restriction of 18 or a warning before entering.
23 Nov 2012, 21:51 pm
@John1976-125:
Now you see.
WE get it…they don’t.
It’s like Tannie Evita.
23 Nov 2012, 21:52 pm
The “young and inexperienced” line is nonsense, of course. Jean de Villiers’s team collectively has about 450 caps, compared to the 180 caps of Francois Pienaar’s 1995 RWC winning team. The John Smit team of veterans who fluked the 2007 RWC had about 650 caps, of which Smit himself held nearly a sixth.
But 450 caps is not properly described as “young and inexperienced”. They may PLAY as brainlessly as one expects from a bunch of greenhorns, but they have a whole lot of test caps to show off.
23 Nov 2012, 21:54 pm
@TheTackler-129:
Cant disagree there
23 Nov 2012, 21:55 pm
@Kaizan-106:
Sadly so, but yes, time for him to go. I hope he receives sound advice. Even Carel du Plessis was heavily critised before he retired. Don’t want to see these guys being humilihated personally.
Nama 1 @109 has a point about Jean’s development and his coaching. Never looked at it that way. Sad if he has been screwed in the coaching process.
23 Nov 2012, 21:56 pm
What does worry me is when a scrum half is regarded as on e of our best wings
A full back regarded as a center
and our centers very average
23 Nov 2012, 21:58 pm
@nortierd-127:
Maybe as adults, we should just be more responsible for what we say on this blog. We should think before we press the submit button.
Why do we want to be censored? If everyone acts like an adult, Keo doesn’t have to censor anybody.
23 Nov 2012, 22:05 pm
@CoachPete-132:
“What does worry me is when a scrum half is regarded as on e of our best wings”
Even more of a worry when said SH says he prefers to play scrum half, and not wing.
We have a FH given the go ahead to play his “natural game” tomorrow but was this message relayed to his scrum half?
How many potential back line opportunities will get lost tomorrow because our SH is going to slow the ball down?
23 Nov 2012, 22:06 pm
@nama1-126: Nama, I remember that convo and apologies if I came across to passionate about the topic. My point then was that Meyer shouldn’t be accused of racism simply because he does not rate Juan De Jongh. It might make him a short-sighted coach, but not racist….
But the stuff that HG has said on here is definitely racist. The people who were on that thread at the time all agree.
To be honest, I think we are banging on about this too much. Maybe HG was trolling. I don’t actually care. I’m just going to leave him be.
This site is about rugby no?
Anyway, I hope you are calling a Bok victory?
23 Nov 2012, 22:06 pm
OK guys, will be back in 4 hour’s time.
Enjoy.
23 Nov 2012, 22:09 pm
@Daddy-135:
I’ve actually called for the Poms to win tomorrow.
Just a feeling because we don’t come back unbeaten…usually.
Hopefully, we’ll do it this year.
I’m behind the Boks…all the way my friend.
23 Nov 2012, 22:11 pm
@cuntlyn-101: got to agree with your interpretation here boet. Well said. Brave opinion because the simple-minded will come wading in all-knowledgeable as usual. Watch this space.
23 Nov 2012, 22:14 pm
@nortierd-127: and then we have the attitude of an adult to bring sanity to the forum.
23 Nov 2012, 22:16 pm
@TheTackler-129: of which JDV owns almost 90 caps and Ruan has 50 odd and JPP 50 odd, so 250 caps is not a lot, but what has impressed me is that the pack with the fewest caps has been exceptional, forget the second half last week when mr No Heart van der Linde came on
23 Nov 2012, 22:17 pm
@John1976-123: yes. each to his own. He’s picked the persona of a smart arse and he pulls it off quite adequately.
23 Nov 2012, 22:22 pm
@John1976-123: Hy julle skinner nou mos soos vrouens…….
23 Nov 2012, 22:23 pm
@JL1-140:
Good point, the counting of caps doesn’t always equate to success on the field.
Brian ‘o Driscoll and many others in the Welsh, Scotish and Irish teams have multitude of caps, but can count their victories over the SANZAR countries on their fingers.
Eben has 10 but is showing attitude counts for just as much.
23 Nov 2012, 22:29 pm
@Heavens Game-54: god you’re a pathetic little prick HG. Scroll down. not worth the trouble.
23 Nov 2012, 22:32 pm
50:50 tomorrow. I wouldn’t bet my house on a Bok win. Neither would I bet the other way were I wearing a dirty mauve jersey with a wilting rose buried in the folds.
23 Nov 2012, 22:33 pm
@nortierd-143: you need a good mix of caps in the key position… and in some positions you just need to be a great player that can make the step up
Sometime people talk about a late bloomer…. I have my doubts about late bloomers on the international stage
23 Nov 2012, 22:36 pm
@JL1-142: ag JL the boykie attracts the **** on himself. Simply seeking attention I suspect.
23 Nov 2012, 22:37 pm
@JLI 141 – I am actually defending the poor sod, people are accusing him of racism. Something that happens far to often on this site. He is doos of the highest order but he is Keo’s doos.
23 Nov 2012, 22:37 pm
@JL1-146: Jannie? But then props have a tradition.
23 Nov 2012, 22:39 pm
Poor old HG…..he gets up your noses and is not politically correct so he gets called racist….so what now…every time you don’t like something the sanctimonious will will be calling racist…who are you to judge and label. Wrap yourselves in bubblewrap.
Hondo is odd, and does not care for rugby players of color….but…I have never seen him getting personal and insulting people ever.
23 Nov 2012, 22:39 pm
@JL1-146: you going to the game tomorrow JL?
23 Nov 2012, 22:40 pm
@JL1-146:
The sad reality today is that if you have not been spotted and offered a junior contract while still at school, your future of making it seems bleak.
Good thing that the Varsity Cup got good coverage, at least there is a small chance of being spotted, yet in the couple of years it’s been running I can only recall Strauss, Eben and Katrikilis actually being found and to have gone on further.
23 Nov 2012, 22:45 pm
@TASSIES-149: Jannie was not our best when he was selected, he was our only at that point in time
He has done but I would not call him a late bloomer, the man was busy doing stuff like becoming a doctor
@TASSIES-147: Yes, that he does, he is a Keo shaken not stirred
@John1976-148: Ag on this site you can be accused of anything, it does not matter one bit
23 Nov 2012, 22:47 pm
@Treehugger-150: each to his/her own interpretation T. But there are times when certain bloggers get up one’s nose, which fires the reaction which, ultimately, one regrets afterwards. The racism thing – you’re right.
23 Nov 2012, 22:50 pm
@JL1-153: have to agree JL but he has come good of late. Loosely interpreted – late bloomer. But as I implied, so do most front rowers. Jannie is now a serious tight-head in the world pecking order.
23 Nov 2012, 22:52 pm
@TASSIES-151: I am indeed, and you?
@nortierd-152: Now we need to get the old Sport Pienaar back, then SA rugby will grow again
23 Nov 2012, 22:53 pm
@SIumtown-108: OK everyone some a hole is using my nick and posting under it. Dont know if he´s been offensive to anyone but there you have it. This is me will start all my posts with a 7 from now on. 777.
23 Nov 2012, 22:53 pm
@nortierd-152: Kolisi, Brache, Groom to name just a few from the WP that I recall off the top of my head. There are many more.
23 Nov 2012, 22:56 pm
@JL1-156: bit far for me to walk boet. I can do an empty Newlands though. About a 600m crawl from my keyboard.
23 Nov 2012, 22:56 pm
@TASSIES-155: tight heads are worth bucket of cash…in France they get paid almost as much as top world class wingers.
They are in demand and Jannie does now more than he did 2-3 years ago, his work rate has really picked up.
Props do come into their own later in their careers as well as locks, but Etsebeth is a monster of nature
23 Nov 2012, 22:56 pm
All I say is just beat England
23 Nov 2012, 22:58 pm
@Heavens Game-89: 777 Okay that wasnt me – some twit is using my nick but either way your comments were out of line. Money is not the be all and end all of life in case you dont know. Everyone thinks it is – they just dont know theyre wrong. So you can take that elitist comment and stick it where it belongs.
23 Nov 2012, 22:58 pm
@TASSIES-159: hehehehe, whats wrong with you get a flight and pull in. There is bloke on the way who does a boerie, better than back home and he runs a queue, so really good
Where are you watching tomorrow?
23 Nov 2012, 22:58 pm
okay genoeg mense. Tyd vir slaap and a decent book.
skinner more dan.
23 Nov 2012, 23:02 pm
@JL1-156:
Hopefully the new club champs will have positive spin off
@TASSIES-158:
Thanks, didn’t really pay to much attention, so thanks for pointing them out.
23 Nov 2012, 23:03 pm
@JL1-163: maybe Hout Bay YC. Problem is the drink n drive story en-route home. I battle with the water into wine thing. Prefer the other way round ending with the urinal. So might stay at home to stay out of jail. Home-games I normally walk to Nuweland and the above issue becomes superfluous.
23 Nov 2012, 23:04 pm
@TASSIES-138: thanks for your positive reply
23 Nov 2012, 23:06 pm
@nortierd-165: For sure, that new club champs is a step in the right direction. Get the net wider and make sure we do not miss out on any talent
I would love to see NOK, Verre Noord and the smaller little regions fight it out
23 Nov 2012, 23:07 pm
@JL1-160: Etsebeth is the exception. Big time exception. Jannie is performing to script. Good tightheads are like hens-teeth these days. He’s now worth his weight in gold. = plenty franc
23 Nov 2012, 23:08 pm
@TASSIES-166: Get a black cab….Oh I forgot no cabs.. but hey you live a most scenic city in the world. Good trade off
23 Nov 2012, 23:12 pm
@TASSIES-169: we were suppose to have loads of quality tight heads….. but we had an exodus of note and it still ongoing…
Faan Rautenbach, Cobus Visagie, Dann Human, retirements and no strong fatties coming through.
Werner Kruger is soft, Brok Harris is not better, WP Nel is under performing (great talent but needs a kick in the back side)
23 Nov 2012, 23:12 pm
@JL1-168:
Platteland rugby has died a slow death unfortunately, maybe it can be revived?
Hard men on hard fields, now everyone is gym strong and bench presses and lunges are the way to gauge strength.
That’s what I find it strange that we still cling to the belief that we can overpower all opposition by being so much stronger.
The norm for condition and strength is pretty much the same for all International class players.
Skill should set them apart.
23 Nov 2012, 23:12 pm
@JL1-170: doesn’t help when you’re peering through the bars of a wynberg jail cell though. Forries is a good fall-back though if you need company.
23 Nov 2012, 23:15 pm
@JL1-171: agree. Folk talk of Malherbe being a future talent. Personally can’t see it. But very young and early days yet. For the rest these’s not much brewing afraid. Seems it’s a dying art in this country.
23 Nov 2012, 23:19 pm
@nortierd-172: I still maintain the farm boys are stronger. Classic examples: Willem Alberts, Schalk Burger, Juan Smit to name a few hard men loosies. You could chuck the Du Plessis broers/boere in there too if you like. Henry Honeyball was a boerkie and bliksems hard. The only real exception I can think of was Rob(Louw). Who was not nice to tackle or be tackled.
23 Nov 2012, 23:20 pm
okay everyone’s hit the pit.
sally gachle all
23 Nov 2012, 23:23 pm
@goodstuff-24: I only saw ur post now. We on the same page here. See 101 or 102
23 Nov 2012, 23:25 pm
@nortierd-172: Now that is where you got it wrong… this gym stuff makes them only puffed…
Size is only 20% the rest is attitude….Bakkies was in weight the same size as many other international players, yet those international players were soft
@TASSIES-175: yes yes I agree
23 Nov 2012, 23:29 pm
@TASSIES-175:
Yep, that was was set us and the AB’s apart years ago as well.
Farm stock and natural strength. Today though it must be tempered by skill as well, that is where the Kiwi’s are ahead of us, off load in tackles for example.
We still try to steamroller over opponents too much
23 Nov 2012, 23:59 pm
@JLI 171 – I like the like the way Kirsten is stabilising the scrum when he comes on. He imho is a decent propect but unfortunately not getting enough opportunities at the Bulls. He is definitely one for the future.
24 Nov 2012, 00:00 am
@JL1-178:
You are right, I was referring to the standard norms with regard to what certain players in certain positions are supposed to achieve.
Certain players like Bakkies had that extra edge, almost the mongrel attitude, that sets them apart, I think Eben will also fall in that attitude.
I just believe it must be supplemented with skill as well.
Kieran Reid a case in point. He is every bit as hard as a Willem Alberts, yet I would pick him every time over Alberts as he is not a one trick pony that only relies on brawn.
Give me a Conrad Smith any day , you hardly see him playing to make contact.
He will take the hit, but his center partner will be in the clear with the ball.
We need to get back to that type of thinking
24 Nov 2012, 00:44 am
@Treehugger-150:
Now there you are so right.
Hondo has also NEVER taken part in any discussion about racism or race or anything like that.
But apparently, he is the racist scum of this site.
Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?
24 Nov 2012, 01:02 am
A massive weekend of sport coming up.My home boys Ajax and the Cobras started it off with great victories.Waiting now for Graeme and the boys to create some magic in Aus.Hopefully HM and the boys will make it a perfect Saturday,after MU’s ascendancy to the top of the EPL ..off course.On Sunday,Vettel to make it a perfect sporting weekend.Lets get the show on the road!
24 Nov 2012, 01:14 am
@wnbb-183:
First things first, oom Rye wants to know what WNBB stands for?
All the way with Ajax and Cobras.
Greame to score 300, Rudolph a big 100, Kallis his 1st 200 outside SA. (One can dream/hope). SA to lead by a few runs at the end of the 3rd day with 4 wickets in hand. That’s my hope.
ManU on top of the log after this weekend.
Vettel champ on Sunday night. (I’m actually a Robert Kubica fan. I believe the Pole is better than them all. Pity about that accident of his.)
24 Nov 2012, 01:21 am
@JL1-178:
“this gym stuff makes them only puffed…Size is only 20% the rest is attitude….”
A better example.
Pierre Spies is in weight and built twice the size as many other international players, yet those international players can run over and through him just as they like.
24 Nov 2012, 01:28 am
@nama1-184: Ah,old Rye!Good oke.Wears his heart on his sleeve.I will reveal if to him one day.
. The Pole is not too bad.I can’t stand the Spaniard,so hopefully Vettel won’t disappoint me. 
24 Nov 2012, 04:44 am
have always liked you Jean….buuut need something explained for me
circa 45mins (Scotland game), just before Strauss intercept try – Lamie passed to you, you looked up, you could see Juan open, …but then you crashed into two defenders, and died with the ball…
Why did you do that? Anyone?
24 Nov 2012, 06:14 am
OK, at least the follow on has been avoided.
It’s up to the bowlers, I guess. The few of them that are left.
24 Nov 2012, 06:36 am
Go Faf.
Faf them up good.
24 Nov 2012, 06:39 am
NZ’s Thomson has ban extended
24 November 2012, 00:38
New Zealand flanker Adam Thomson’s one-week ban for stamping on the head of an opponent has been doubled after an appeal by the International Rugby Board (IRB).
Thomson was cited for contact with Alasdair Strokosch’s head after the 51-22 victory over Scotland at Murrayfield on November 11. He was suspended by an independent judicial officer but the IRB said a one-week ban was “unduly lenient”.
“The Appeal Committee considered the appropriate sanction in this case was two weeks,” said a statement on Friday.
24 Nov 2012, 06:41 am
Can Tahir stay with Faf and help him get a 100 on debut?
Go Tahir!!!
24 Nov 2012, 06:45 am
Not to be. Faf out for 78.
SA 388 all out.
Aus lead by 162 runs.
Is this going to be the day for Dale Steyn to make his mark in the series? Injury and all.
24 Nov 2012, 06:53 am
@nama1-191:
Computer says no!
It’s strange that the wickets fall in clumps in the first session of the day and then nothing much after. It’s like the pitch gets a bit of moisture back overnight and then the heat Lola’s it off.
24 Nov 2012, 07:01 am
@nama1-192:
Lots of soft dismissals in the top order. Alviro, Hashim and Rudolph so their’s still hope when we bat again. The wicket is still holding up but Lyon is key in the 2nd innings
But their’s still lots of time left so they don’t need to declare until later tomorrow.
24 Nov 2012, 07:12 am
@nama1-192:
I’m surprised at the relative ease with which the are dominating us.
Luckily there’s still plenty of time to try get some things
24 Nov 2012, 07:14 am
SA cricket like its rugby.
****** useless.
24 Nov 2012, 07:17 am
@poppa69-196:
Jy is ‘n doos. Ons is nommer 1 in die wereld.
24 Nov 2012, 07:19 am
@poppa69-196:
If being number 1 in test cricket and nr. 2 in rugby is useless, then I can think of many other countries who play both sports who will also aspire to be useless.
2 days to go and as it stands the Aussies are ahead, but have not won yet
24 Nov 2012, 07:20 am
@gunther-193:
Jip. A pity.
The Aus bowlers have this knack of taking wickets in clumps at least once in a series against us. I remember Mitchell Johnson in Aus and in SA four years ago taking about 4 wickets for only a few runs in two magic spells. Hilfenhaus, I think, did the same when they were here last year.
Hopefully this collapse by the Proteas will be it for the series. From 233/2 to 250/7 is quite a collapse.
@Jeraldjay-194:
Rudolph’s inclusion is starting to be a problem. I told you the other day that we lose more with AB not scoring runs because he also keeps wicket than what we gain with Rudolph as a batsman.
Aus definitely in the pound seat. 30 overs left for them to bat which will probably yield about 100 runs giving them a lead of more than 250 by the end of the day. Another 250 runs tomorrow in about 2 sessions and we’ll have to bat a full 4 sessions to avoid defeat.
Scoring around 500 runs for victory is out of the question.
That is, unless our bowlers come to the rescue…big time.
Here’s hoping.
24 Nov 2012, 07:20 am
jetaldjay
well. with SA s record in cricket number 1 would have been brought.
useless. you guys should give up sport, as the Olympics showed.
you’re k@k at everything
24 Nov 2012, 07:22 am
@poppa69-200:
Well, at least we accommodate you here. That must count for something… No?
24 Nov 2012, 07:26 am
sorry Nama. you’re a good oke, very much the minority in SA.
I just wonder how many bank balances have been improved exponentially.
SA has a history of this in cricket.
24 Nov 2012, 07:30 am
@Jeraldjay-197:
Indeed.
Full tard.
24 Nov 2012, 07:34 am
@nama1-199:
Look at the timing though. Three before lunch on day 1 then 5 on day two and 5 on day three.
Rudolph is a luxury we can’t afford.
I don’t think he is significantly better than Thami with the bat and the improvement in AB’s performance would more than make up for it.
24 Nov 2012, 07:34 am
@poppa69-202:
Poppa you such flippin troll.
I really hope that Sonny Bill / White Rhino fight comes off so that we can hit the Kiwi’s where it will hurt most.
24 Nov 2012, 07:36 am
@gunther-204:
Yeah, I see what you’re saying about the fall of wickets in the 1st session.
Agree re Rudolph.
24 Nov 2012, 07:42 am
and if SBW wins?
He’s owned SA centers for a while now, what’s one note washed up ordinary SA to contend with ?
I think he feigned injury out of pity for the SA in the street who has no real sports hero left.
24 Nov 2012, 07:42 am
@gunther-204:
So, if we can have them 100 odd for two or three wickets by the end of the day and take 4 or 5 in the morning session tomorrow, we can restrict them to around 200-230. Leaving us to chase less than 400.
That’ll be great.
What do you reckon?
24 Nov 2012, 07:42 am
@gunther-204:
Agreed, this was a game Rudolph had to step up.
Glad Faf got runs.
Thami deserves a chance, but I like the look of Quinton de Kock as well.
Too early maybe for him now, but definitely one for the future
24 Nov 2012, 07:47 am
@nortierd-209:
Yeah, Quinton de Kock definitely the one to take over for the long term.
Good stats so far in his career and we do need a hitter in the lower order.
24 Nov 2012, 07:49 am
runs coming quicker than Gunther does outside a primary school
24 Nov 2012, 07:49 am
@poppa69-207:
SBW has “owned “pretty much every country’s centers.
He is brilliant, but it’s pointless to single out that only our centers are poor, then you must be consistent and say that all the centers in the world who line up against him are useless.
It’s a pity he left, will miss his playmaking in the S 15 from a spectator’s point of view
24 Nov 2012, 07:49 am
50 up in 11.1 overs!!!
Not good from our bowlers.
24 Nov 2012, 07:50 am
@nama1-208:
Hope springs eternal.
24 Nov 2012, 07:52 am
@gunther-204:
The top 6 needs to take the responsibility of scoring runs and not rely on that safety net of having a specialist batsmen at 7.
I didn’t agree with you on this issue before (probably ’cause JP’s not available) but you right at the moment Thami inclusion offers more than Rudolph’s does.
Robbie P also in for Tahir.
24 Nov 2012, 07:52 am
@nortierd-209:
That youngster is the business. They’ll introduce him in the 20/20 and the one day stuff next year I reckon.
But I think Thami deserves a go he’s keeping him out at franchise level no?
24 Nov 2012, 07:52 am
@nortierd-209:
Well…….we have Kallis at number 9…….ha ha
Saw that Jennings said he must brush up on his glove work, but yes, his batting looks good and if AB could learn in a short space of time, then so could he.
24 Nov 2012, 07:54 am
@Jeraldjay-215:
I think we might be seeing the end of Tahir here.
Unless he does something special..
24 Nov 2012, 07:54 am
In other sad news.
JR Ewing, alias Larry Hagman, passed away at the age of 81.
Who will ever forget the, “Who shot JR” episode?
Tuesday nights have never been the same since Dallas stopped.
24 Nov 2012, 07:55 am
@gunther-216:
Thami does deserve a chance.
They picked him to more to teach Boucher a lesson, so those caps must still rankle him.
I would have liked to see him have a go, he is a solid player who has payed his dues and deserves a go.
24 Nov 2012, 07:57 am
@nama1-219:
Sad news
Can’t seem to want to watch the new series.
Some things are better left in the past and memories of the past.
He was even more hated than Falconetti ( remember him?)
24 Nov 2012, 07:58 am
@gunther-218:
On Tahir.
You and WP-Forever (formerly WPTID) didn’t agree with me when I said he was overrated. Remember?
He has less control than Paul Adams.
Good guy to have on the sub continent but elsewhere? No.
24 Nov 2012, 08:02 am
@nama1-222:
Now he’s having verbal handbags with Warner.
Going to get off 2nd best there.
24 Nov 2012, 08:02 am
@nortierd-221:
Yeah.
I remember Die Burger had pictures of famous people that you could print onto your clothes using a hot iron. I did Falconetti.
Liked the guy just because he was so hated.
24 Nov 2012, 08:03 am
too fcken easy.
24 Nov 2012, 08:05 am
Adelaide Oval will henceforth be known as the Protea graveyard
There’s a few players who will struggle to get picked again after this test and series
24 Nov 2012, 08:06 am
@nortierd-223:
Only way he can win this battle is by taking his wicket.
Does not look likely.
Aus batting a about 5 rpo. On the 3rd day of a test match!!!
We need a break through…and fast.
24 Nov 2012, 08:07 am
@nortierd-226:
Jip. Three I can think of.
Tahir, Kleinveldt and Rudolph.
24 Nov 2012, 08:09 am
@nama1-224:
Yes, I remember those.
People were shouting at there tv to warn, I think it was Wesley?, to look out.
Come to think of it, 40 years on we still shout at our tv’s when the Bokke play
24 Nov 2012, 08:11 am
A spinner getting no-balled?
Shouldn’t happen at any level
24 Nov 2012, 08:12 am
Tahir, how can a spinner bowl a no ball ?? Should not be in the side !!
24 Nov 2012, 08:14 am
Warner does his bit for charity
24 Nov 2012, 08:14 am
Finally a wicket!!
Robin P should replace Tahir IMO
24 Nov 2012, 08:15 am
Warner doing his bit to better SA
24 Nov 2012, 08:16 am
Rory you beauty!! 2 wickets in 1 over !!
24 Nov 2012, 08:16 am
@poppa69-232:
Enjoy watching him, never a dull moment@CharlesM-233:
2 down, good on Kleinveldt.
Problem is the quicker we get the first 4 out, the quicker Clarke and Hussey come in.
24 Nov 2012, 08:17 am
If Ponting doesn’t score he will be dropped for Watson IMO
24 Nov 2012, 08:22 am
@nortierd-236: Let’s hope the law of averages gets rid of them as well: they should fail at some stage!! (Wishful thinking??)
24 Nov 2012, 08:23 am
@nortierd-229:
Kleinveldt making me swallow my words.
Two more wickets today, please!!!
24 Nov 2012, 08:23 am
My brother’s at the game he says the crowd is giving Tahir some verbal bashing.
24 Nov 2012, 08:25 am
@Jeraldjay-240:
Adelaide is a nice little town.
A bit like Bloemfontein by the sea.
Great ground.
24 Nov 2012, 08:25 am
@nama1-222:
Yep.
He’s been a disappointment.
For a spinner at this stage of his career he doesn’t know his game at all.
His no-balling is a symptom of this.
Unless he takes a Michelle I expect to see Robbie P in place for the next game.
24 Nov 2012, 08:25 am
@CharlesM-233:
John Galt will disagree with you re Robbie P.
24 Nov 2012, 08:27 am
@Jeraldjay-240:
Symcox had a chicken thrown at him, so Tahir is going to have to pull a Chopper Reid and harden the …. Up.
One way of silencing the crowd is to take some wickets
24 Nov 2012, 08:28 am
@gunther-242:
That’s the disappointing part. For someone as experience as he is to still not really know his game.
Not good…not good at all.
24 Nov 2012, 08:31 am
Tahir is doing his part in nursing Ponting back in form.
Time to bring the quicks on again
24 Nov 2012, 08:33 am
When he took that “no ball wicket” he held his hand behind the ear as if asking the crowd to keep quiet. It back-fired when he was no-balled though
Nama: the only reason I’ll pick Robbie P is the fact that Tahir isn’t taking wickets and bowls at least one or 2 bad balls per over. RP can bat as well and is an excellent fielder. In the 1st innings even Faf’s economy rate was better than Tahir’s. We don’t really have a world class spinner IMO
24 Nov 2012, 08:33 am
@CharlesM-238:
We can only wish.
Clarke in unbelievable form and Hussey is just superb.
24 Nov 2012, 08:34 am
Rory you biscuit!
24 Nov 2012, 08:34 am
@nama1-239:
That makes 2 of us.
Another to him.
24 Nov 2012, 08:37 am
My 5 year old son spins the ball more than robin p…. Rather just pick another seamer then and let faf bowl… If you start talking robin p… You know your in trouble….
24 Nov 2012, 08:38 am
I think even that omar henry guy was better than robin p ….. LMAO… Omar henry….. LOL
24 Nov 2012, 08:39 am
Kleinveld!!!
Go you good thing.
3 down. One more today…at least.
24 Nov 2012, 08:40 am
@suffer_guy-251:
Hopefully Vernon will be fit by the 3rd test, then Tahir can go
24 Nov 2012, 08:44 am
@CharlesM-247:
I agree with you on Robbie P.
Especially if they drop Rudolph and bring in Thami. Something they should do imo.
24 Nov 2012, 08:44 am
Rory is having a good game, really troubling the batters. Good on him for coming back so strong.
24 Nov 2012, 08:44 am
Also if duminy is ready one day… They should play faf and duminy… No rudolph please ….
Smith
Peterson
Amla
Kallis
Ab
Duminy
Faf
Steyn
Morne
Marchant
Philander
If you dont have a spinner that is decent… Then dont pick one…
24 Nov 2012, 08:45 am
When we used the all seam attack in the previous test it back fired badly. With Duminy’s injury we lost his part time spinning as well. The problem with our spinners is the fact that they are leg-spinners and with the many lefties in the Aus side it becomes off-spinners, which are generally easier to play (unless your name is Murali). Duminy was the only real off-spinner.
And another short ball of Tahir being put away!
24 Nov 2012, 08:53 am
What if Kallis can’t play ?
Rory has really stepped up in this test. I haven’t seen much of the first 2 days but the analysts in the studio were in agreement that Rory bowled much better than his figures suggested. I’m glad he got the wickets today!!
Wow Morkel almost had Clarke!!
24 Nov 2012, 08:54 am
The pitch doing crazy things… I’d like the bowl thereon… I’m sure i’ll get a wicket or 4…. Anyone who is a bowler will do well on this pitch now
24 Nov 2012, 08:56 am
Kleinveldt isnt the answer.. Doesnt have gret pace… What about morris from the lions… Or marchant…. Pitch making rory look good…
24 Nov 2012, 08:57 am
Dale you biscuit!
24 Nov 2012, 08:57 am
Does anybody know if it is still raining at Twickenham ?
I think Steyn has just ended Ponting’s test career
24 Nov 2012, 08:57 am
Steyn……You beaut!!!, lol ponting never makes runs anymore… Then they rate him above kallis??? Only in aus
24 Nov 2012, 08:57 am
@CharlesM-259:
I was thinking the same thing about Kallis. Even if he can play and cannot bowl, it still creates a bit of a problem.
Robbie P becomes important than if only to hold up one end as it seems as if Tahir is unable to even do that.
24 Nov 2012, 08:58 am
Nightwatchmen… 1 baller maybe… That will be awesome
24 Nov 2012, 08:59 am
@nama1-255:
Robbie P has made me eat my words a couple of times. A great trier, someone who’ll never let you down.
24 Nov 2012, 08:59 am
Prediction…. End of days play … Aus 102/5
24 Nov 2012, 09:00 am
@suffer_guy-264:
At last someone other than Kleinveld is picking up wickets today.
24 Nov 2012, 09:01 am
@CharlesM-263:
Those were my thoughts exactly particularly with the Ashes coming up next year.
24 Nov 2012, 09:01 am
Yes…yes…yes
There are the four wickets I’ve asked for. Clarke will be one moerse bonus before stumps. Still 5 over to get him before the end of the day.
Go boys.
24 Nov 2012, 09:04 am
I also think this is the end of Ponting.
Expect him to announce his retirement from test cricket by the end of this test.
24 Nov 2012, 09:06 am
@nama1-265:
I felt that cricket is where you are really at your element
It has been vindicated now, such an insight!
24 Nov 2012, 09:06 am
Clarke doesn’t seem to be in too much control at the moment. His wicket will be a HUGE bonus today!!
24 Nov 2012, 09:11 am
@suffer_guy-268: Another admin error?
24 Nov 2012, 09:12 am
The wickt will fall now brumy… Just 1 run more than my prediction
24 Nov 2012, 09:12 am
@Hondo-273:
Thanks Hondo.
I absolutely love the game.
24 Nov 2012, 09:14 am
@suffer_guy-276: Oops! Should’ve checked the score before posting!
Silly me!
Admin error!
24 Nov 2012, 09:14 am
5 down
24 Nov 2012, 09:14 am
@suffer_guy-276:
Good prediction, lotto numbers please
24 Nov 2012, 09:14 am
Told you!!!,!,!!!,!
24 Nov 2012, 09:15 am
@nama1-277:
There’s your 5th wicket.
24 Nov 2012, 09:15 am
Argentina by 6 …boks by 5
24 Nov 2012, 09:16 am
Nz by 18
24 Nov 2012, 09:16 am
Suffer guy you beauty!! Any predictions for Twickenham ? We can always add one lol
24 Nov 2012, 09:18 am
If it rains… Boks by 5 … If no rain… Boks by 9
24 Nov 2012, 09:20 am
@suffer_guy-283:
Hope you’re wrong with Argentina
Went for Ireland by 9
24 Nov 2012, 09:20 am
@nortierd-280: And Powerball!!!
@suffer_guy-283: And Italy by 33, remember?
24 Nov 2012, 09:21 am
Anything under 350 ….. With plus minus 150 overs…. Difficult on this pitch, but we can take our time… Who knows… These 2 can add another 200 …. Will be interesting day 2morrow
24 Nov 2012, 09:29 am
@nortierd-280:
Good fight back by the boys in the afternoon. From 77/0 to 111/5.
If the wicket plays the same tomorrow morning as it did the 1st three days with wickets falling in the 1st session, we’ll hopefully bowl them out by lunch or just thereafter and chase about 330-350 for victory.
On the other hand, if Clarke and Hussey do what they did so far in the series, we’ll be up against it by tea. It’s imperative that we get both of them out early tomorrow.
24 Nov 2012, 09:34 am
@I am a stormer-282:
Yes, great fight back by the boys.
First 16 overs they leaked 77 runs without taking a wicket.
In the 16 overs after that, they took 5 wickets for only 34 runs.
What a difference.
All started by Kleinveldt. I’m really happy for him.
24 Nov 2012, 09:36 am
Long rugby day ahead and I did not have much sleep. Think I’ll take a nap for an hour or two.
GO BOKKE!!!
24 Nov 2012, 09:45 am
@nama1-291:
Tomorrow’s first session will determine the outcome of this match.
24 Nov 2012, 10:15 am
@I am a stormer-293:
IAS, all my siblings live in Adelaide, so I know the city quite well.
Lots of great places to go to especially the Barossa Valley which is an hour away.
A cab driver once asked me “what village do you come from in Africa” I told him “Cape Town, a village 4 times the size of Adelaide”.
24 Nov 2012, 10:20 am
@Slumtown-162: Nic theft.Report it to KEO.He should name and shame.It is a filthy thing
24 Nov 2012, 10:29 am
@nama1-290:
Agree 100%
Going to be tough, but not impossible
24 Nov 2012, 10:33 am
@nama1-224: Rich man Poor man
24 Nov 2012, 10:54 am
I see lollygagging about cricket is more comfortable to discuss than debating the issue raised on this thread.
Or has the consensus been reached already that the gulf between NZ and SA is accepted as fact.
24 Nov 2012, 10:55 am
Is this the 1st time that the Federal congress of the DA is shown live on TV?
24 Nov 2012, 10:57 am
@ryecatcher-297:
Yes, that was the name of the series. I just could not recall the name.
Thanks.
24 Nov 2012, 10:58 am
This speech sounds very American like.
Why?
24 Nov 2012, 11:17 am
Nama, the stupid Keo WordPress is hiding my response to your Khoi and San question on the Hougaard thread. I tried posting it here too with the same result.
E-mail me at mikearchaeology at gmail.com pls. Very very annoying.
24 Nov 2012, 11:22 am
@mikeybrass-302:
Will do.
24 Nov 2012, 11:37 am
@poppa69-200: f ()ck you mate – youre being a quality class A (unt.
24 Nov 2012, 11:37 am
@mikeybrass-302:
You got mail.
24 Nov 2012, 11:38 am
@Slumtown-304:
Is this the real Slumtown?
24 Nov 2012, 11:45 am
@nama1-306: No.Real one said he would preface comments with 7,s
24 Nov 2012, 11:51 am
“…………………..and we were in the game in Soweto before they outplayed us.”
A game is 80 minutes Jean.
You were in it for 20.
24 Nov 2012, 12:03 pm
@ryecatcher-307:
OK.
Freakin fakes.
Why Slumtown’s name? Who has a gripe with him?
He’s a good oke.
24 Nov 2012, 12:16 pm
@nama1-309: whoever it is is despicable.
24 Nov 2012, 12:48 pm
Kallis in doubt for Perth Test
Adelaide – Key all-rounder Jacques Kallis will bat again if required for South Africa in the second Test in Adelaide but is unlikely to be fit for the final Test in Perth, team officials said on Saturday. (news24)
Not good news this.
24 Nov 2012, 13:27 pm
@Jeraldjay-294:
I was there for 2 weeks in 2008 with family. Right on the beach front. Thoroughly enjoyed the place. Took in a 20/20 inter-state match vs West Austrlia at the Adelaide Oval. Didn’t make it to Barossa Valley but went to Mclaren Vale. Hahndorf was a lekker jol. Went into a pub there when the Proteas were on top – you could’ve heard a needle drop the place was so silent.
24 Nov 2012, 13:29 pm
@nama1-311:
What a bummer. It would be great if he could play only as a batsman – but the thing is, the turn around time between tests is short. Perth starts on the 30th.
24 Nov 2012, 13:33 pm
@cane-308:
Yeah, the 2nd half was played in total silence. I was there. The Boks were abysmal that day and haven’t fully got it going again.
24 Nov 2012, 14:03 pm
Cold rainy day here in London. Let’s go Bokka!
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