Boks among top RWC seeds
25 Nov 2012
New Zealand, South Africa, Australia and France will be the top four seeds for the 2015 World Cup draw on 3 December.
The ratings gap between those sides and the rest are too high for results of the two matches on 1 December (England vs New Zealand and Wales vs Australia) to affect their position as a top seed.
The rankings are being used to rank the 12 directly qualified teams for the World Cup into three bands for the draw with the sides ranked one to four in band one – and crucially avoiding each other until the knockout stage – those five to eight in band two and the remaining four in band three.
England and Ireland are in the second band of seeds for the draw (fifth to eighth in the rankings).
If Wales avoid defeat against Australia, Wales and Samoa will take the other two spots in this second band, with Argentina in the third band. However, if Australia defeat Wales, then Samoa and Argentina will fill these two spots in the second band, with Wales joining Italy, Tonga and Scotland in the third band of seeds.
IRB rankings
1 New Zealand 92.91
2 South Africa 86.94
3 Australia 86.31
4 France 85.07
5 England 81.07
6 Ireland 80.22
7 Wales 78.95
8 Samoa 78.709
9 Argentina 78.708
10 Italy 76.24
11 Tonga 76.10
12 Scotland 75.83
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25 Nov 2012, 19:29 pm
@mikeybrass-41:
He prefers Jan or Gert or Koos.
25 Nov 2012, 19:31 pm
to honest i would scutinise the hookers ‘accidental’ injury too if i were the judicial officers involved. they are masterly at faking ‘fallning’ onto opposition players who are awkwardly placed.
25 Nov 2012, 19:33 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-52:
sorry, it was a welsh prop and not a hooker
just read the gurdian article
25 Nov 2012, 19:36 pm
@ryecatcher-46: Selbourne Boome. I liked him. Solid player. Even better names-wise was Hottie Louw
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-47: What’s the difference between Maurice and Pierre ?
@nama1-51: Hendrik !!!!
25 Nov 2012, 19:37 pm
@peanut_g-48: Not with Matfield leading the attack *snigger*
25 Nov 2012, 19:39 pm
@nama1-51:
come on Nama, seriously… would you name your son ‘Maurice’..?..
that boy would have a helluva hard time growing up
@mikeybrass-54:
ok
point taken
25 Nov 2012, 19:41 pm
Boomer.
What a leg.
25 Nov 2012, 19:43 pm
@mikeybrass-54:
Gawie!!! Jakobus!!!
@mikeybrass-55:
Jislaaik! Forward coaches now the attack coaches as well.
It would be interesting to hear Meyer explain the philosophy behind it. It obviously is his idea to begin with.
25 Nov 2012, 19:53 pm
@mikeybrass-55:
@nama1-58:
we play 10 man rugby with ocassional cameos by the other 5.
its not rock science to see where most of our attack comes from.
use you heads people
25 Nov 2012, 20:08 pm
Ep kings on the rise
25 Nov 2012, 20:08 pm
@mikeybrass
LOL. The fact that ricardo loubscher was attack coach for so long shows the bulls don’t take the position very seriously. The most matfield will be coaching is ‘attacking lineouts’.
25 Nov 2012, 20:21 pm
@nama1-58:
The backs are only there to provide ball for the forwards at the breakdown.
25 Nov 2012, 20:29 pm
@peanut_g-61:
Loubscher was not involved with the Bulls afa I know.
25 Nov 2012, 20:32 pm
@David-62:
That explains JdJ nearly joining so many rucks to protect the ball then.
25 Nov 2012, 20:32 pm
@nama1-63:
I think he was the backline coach of their Vodacom team.
25 Nov 2012, 20:38 pm
@nama1-58:
If I recall correctly Rassie did video analysis in the 90′s while still playing, and he turned out quite good as a coach.
Obviously Victor did similar analysis of opponents’ line outs and there he was a master, so maybe he did more than just that as well?
The jury will be out and it will interesting to see the Bulls next year and to see what the verdict will be.
25 Nov 2012, 20:48 pm
@nortierd-66:
Going by the attacking ability of the Bok team this year where van Graan is also the forward and attack coach, I personally don’t think that it is a good idea.
But as you say, we’ll see next year whether it will work for the Bulls.
25 Nov 2012, 20:55 pm
this from the nz herald:
All Blacks: Hore hit reinforces thugs image
Stupid act undoes the hard work the All Blacks did in the wake of the Thomson judicial case.
It is not the All Black way to leave their own to hang out to dry, an attitude for which Andrew Hore should be eternally grateful.
His act of stupidity – his needless and unfathomably crass stiff arm administered to the unsuspecting Bradley Davies – will have confirmed in every Northern Hemisphere mind the long held notion of the All Blacks as perennial thugs.
The Adam Thomson saga was trying for the All Blacks: not just for the futility and frustration of the drawn-out process but because there was depth to the sub-plot that the All Blacks are viewed as villains in this part of the world.
When the All Blacks come to Europe they can’t escape their past: historical atrocities have been committed and the Brits have incredibly long memories and an insatiable capacity for grudge-keeping.
for the rest:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10849865
25 Nov 2012, 20:56 pm
love the pr spin on how its a ‘stupid act done by an individual in isolation’.
25 Nov 2012, 20:58 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-56: *grins*
25 Nov 2012, 20:59 pm
@nama1-58: Gawie? ROFLMAO
Almost as bad as Cheese van Tonder 
25 Nov 2012, 21:00 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-59: I’d rather fly into space by using my brain
25 Nov 2012, 21:02 pm
@nortierd-66: Rassie was never an attack coach. Oh well, it leaves the field wide open (sic) for the other franchises against the Pinkies.
25 Nov 2012, 21:11 pm
@mikeybrass-73:
True, but as head coach and then director of rugby he still got to oversee al aspects.
I can’t see the Bulls deviating to much from the plays that brought success to them though.
As a Stormer supporter I just hope we are successful against the pinkies!
They could have done worse by giving Wynie the job
25 Nov 2012, 21:14 pm
@mikeybrass-71: Draadkar de Lange
25 Nov 2012, 21:22 pm
@ryecatcher-75:
Baksteen Nel, Domkrag, Moaner
Chiliboy sounds cool, but not menacing.
25 Nov 2012, 21:23 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-21:
Sooo you think greylings was milked by McCaw now.
*** you are an idiot. Andrew Hore does something bad, i dont see one kiwi saying it wasnt and he shouldnt be banned for months. Glad to see you love covering for your thugs but go all religious when a kiwi does something.
Both acts were disgusting, both players on the end did not see it coming, Andrew should gets months but seen as greyling got 2 weeks expect the same.
25 Nov 2012, 21:26 pm
WP are Currie Cup CHAMPIONS !!!! Champions, Champions, Champions !!!!
25 Nov 2012, 21:30 pm
@nortierd-76: Piston van Wyk
25 Nov 2012, 21:31 pm
@brains_trust-78: The date now is 25.nov 2012
25 Nov 2012, 21:33 pm
@ryecatcher-79: And there was a guy
called Griespomp.Surname escapes me.
25 Nov 2012, 21:34 pm
@ryecatcher-79:
Forgot about Piston.
Jeez I’m glad we don’t live in Wales.
A similar conversation there will go something like ” Jones, Jones,Jones, Jones”
25 Nov 2012, 21:36 pm
Goodnight all
25 Nov 2012, 21:40 pm
@Hurricane-77:
the problem here is we have come a long way in cleaning up our rugby but in instances where we lose our way and transgress we are rightly punished.
of course we are often unfairly punished but that’s neither here nor there.
you people on the other hand have neither cleaned up your rugby nor are you appropriately punished anywhere near enough (we know the reason for that).
and this is the problem you see, though one of your making for sure, it is too the international community’s for not having endevoured to stop the rot within nz rugby.
it certainly was disgusting indeed, definitely ranks up there as one of the most despicable assaults i have on a rugby field in modern times (and that’s saying something considering thorn, umaga and mealamu’s shenanigans), and i expect he will receive more than the barest of minimums which you have so often received in the past.
25 Nov 2012, 21:44 pm
i suppose one advantage in this case is that it did not happen under the watchful eye of the nz sports broadcaster responsible for capturing that assault on o’driscoll in 2005.
‘that’ video evidence from all those multiple video cameras surer had a way of ‘losing’ itself during the crucial citing window didn’t it.
25 Nov 2012, 21:51 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-85: What are your thoughts on this uncited incident?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRZRQI_69OQ
25 Nov 2012, 21:52 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-84:
You have blown it.
To cover Greyling and to blame McCaw for milking shows you have no clue and as one eyed as your trouser snake. You are the thug by the looks of it. You paid the boks to pull out the George Smiths dreads, you tackled the ref while McCaw owned you a$$…. you are dirty
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-85:
Didnt a South African let them off??
Stop playing the fool.
25 Nov 2012, 21:54 pm
No action on new O’Driscoll video
Tana Umaga and Keven Mealamu will not be punished for their controversial tackle on Brian O’Driscoll despite dramatic new video footage.
Amateur pictures clearly show the Lions skipper being picked up and dumped to the ground during the opening seconds of the first Test against New Zealand.
But the International Rugby Board says it is too late to take any action.
“There are no retrospective penalties in the game’s regulations,” the IRB’s Greg Thomas told BBC Sport. O’Driscoll, who dislocated his shoulder in the incident, has always claimed he was the victim of a ‘spear’ tackle.
But both Umaga and Mealamu escaped punishment because the incident was not picked up by the match referee.
…………. further;
He had already seen the video footage before it was made public by Sky Sports on Tuesday and has even used it in his lectures.
“Everybody was surprised at the time that there was nothing done to the New Zealand players, but this video was not available at the time,” he told BBC Sport.
“If it was, possibly there would have been something done. “When you look at the video you have to say that Brian was very, very lucky. He could have easily broken his neck. “Spear tackles of this nature are banned in rugby league and in American football.
“The video leaves nobody in any doubt whatsoever that they have to be banned in rugby union as well. “There will be no recriminations now, but we cannot allow it to happen again.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/international/4376306.stm
25 Nov 2012, 21:59 pm
Bakkies I have said this before many times and will continue to say it.
You are BORING with your one-tracked mind and lame a*s obsession with the kiwis.
Let it go, you will feel a weight lift from your shoulders. Or else just start supporting the kiwis already (you talk about them so much you are probably a closet fan).
25 Nov 2012, 22:01 pm
@Hurricane-87:
Yeah, but we planted the seed in George’s head that there was money to be made from his hair, so he subsequently shaved the dreads and auctioned it off.
In retrospect you could say we did our for charity, good giving souls that we are
25 Nov 2012, 22:03 pm
@gonzo-86:
not quite the same when considering it was an ‘on the ball incident’ which did not result in injury. however, simply because spear tackles are now illegal and can injure it should be condemned and punished if needs be.
@Hurricane-87:
he requested and was not given nz controlled video evidence on which to make judgements. in the absence of evidence what elde could he do?
25 Nov 2012, 22:04 pm
Well done, Vettel. Respect, Alonso!
25 Nov 2012, 22:05 pm
this is a continuing and shameful blot on the game.
it has to stop.
25 Nov 2012, 22:06 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-88:
Nope, you tried to cover up what greyling did……fail
Pathetic, here you are on a mission to show NZ rugby up, yet spear tackles from other team you do not comment about, and further more blame McCaw for Greyling balls up. Even when Etzebeth was cited, you found out that a kiwi was doing it and called him the cheat…..lol, pathetic
25 Nov 2012, 22:09 pm
@ryecatcher-75: Hottie wins the biscuit
25 Nov 2012, 22:15 pm
@phil72-28: Did the Bulls acquire Mapoe to play wing or as a centre?
He played predominantly as a centre for Lions, so yeah
25 Nov 2012, 22:17 pm
@Hurricane-94:
no covering up here, hurri.
he transgressed and was punished. i merely pointed out the facts of the motives for his actions (macaw cheating same old).
you mean like retallick’s spear on bekker which went lamely punished?
lets just call it coincidence that where kiwis are involved on the judiciary against sa players there is usually a sentence meted out far in excess of the crime.
25 Nov 2012, 22:19 pm
what could h.ores motives have been to take a key/talismanic player out in the first two minutes of a test?
of course eerily similar to o’driscoll being taken out in the first two minutes of a test.
no wait, they do that sort of thing all the time.
25 Nov 2012, 22:21 pm
“There was a citing officer who had a look at the incident at the time but he had very inconclusive evidence,” said Thomas.
“If you watch television, it was very, very hard to get an exact idea of what happened and this footage was not available.
“Everybody was surprised at the time that there was nothing done to the New Zealand players, but this video was not available at the time,” he told BBC Sport.
25 Nov 2012, 22:23 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-97:
21.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha:
25 Nov 2012, 15:12 pm @wnbb-20:
yes he did.
he knew he was coming and he milked it as much for the reaction as he wanted to penalise all the same.
McCaw milked it. lol
Yep just shows what greyling did in your eyes was nothing.
You are a cheat and thug.
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