Comments on: Bok game plan needs more balance

By: mojo213

mojo213 — Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:33:05 +0000

i belive Heyneke Meyer needs 2 get Nick Mallet as an advisor on a fulltime basis,maybe bradon Venter baby boks backline coach gets promoted to the springboks with ricardo redeployed to the baby boks venter is very very exprienced with saracens,western province..or todd frm nz….i also belive that john mitchell should be the specialist attack coach….jaco van graan can jst focus on the forwards s…trictly…scrum coach is fine the bok scrumminging has been soild and almost as dominant as the world cup winning pack….kicking coach needs to be changed i would bring
braam van straten back frm the wallabies as our kicking coach or another choice could be naas botha his very exprienced played for the dallas cowboys..lol anyway his been with the boks before and knows the culture…..with this changes and generals of intellectual thought when it comes to rugby the boks would not be stopped..i also belive we should get a skill consultant from aussie rugby league or overseas to help with our offloading which if you guys remember improved when we ropped in eddie jones who would actually be my first choice before brandon venter but knw is coach of japan…..I also belive siya kolisi should move back to playing number 8 this is role his played through out his school carreer at grey high and age group rugby this will increase his chances of playing more for the boks his got the pace,power,skill,brilliant defence,good on the ground…i belive he could be the greatest number 8 in bok history if give a chance like a jerry collins type player…..i would also like to plead with heyneke to give luke watson a look in next year class is forever and his still a brilliant player and will be playing super rugby and has matured….(comments by Mojo)

By: Craven

Craven — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:00:06 +0000

@suffer_guy-100: "To think that faf had to sit on the side for quota duminy" Seriously? JP was in great form this year, you must mean quota Jacques Rudolph kept Faf out of the team.

By: nama1

nama1 — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:07:13 +0000

@DumpsterDiver-113: Explain the successful Bok side under Mallet then. They ran with the ball if I'm not mistaken. This was not a tournament. This was 12 regular test matches. Sure, one can accept that your tactics will change slightly when you play in a tournament like the RWC. Even the AB did not play their regular brand of rugby in the RWC last year especially in the knock out stages.

By: DumpsterDiver

DumpsterDiver — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 08:35:52 +0000

Let us just accept the fact that the successful Bok sides have won games with stingy defence, one needs only to look at our WC winning teams in 95 and 07. To think that the Boks could play the attacking style of the AB’s is laughable. Their frontrowers have better ball skills than our back’s and their decision making from broken play is streets ahead. Not to blame the coach or the system here, this is evident in all levels of our rugby. We can still be successful, but it isn’t ever gonna be pretty.

By: nama1

nama1 — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 08:24:58 +0000

@John1976-104: I see that now. Thanks

By: Slumtown

Slumtown — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 07:49:49 +0000

@nama1-87: yeah him again - it amazes me how much time people have on their hands to impersonate other people on top of commenting here. Someone has a very veyr big psychological problem. Well spotted Nama.

By: Slumtown

Slumtown — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 07:48:36 +0000

@SIumtown-86: You sir are being a real twat by constantly using my nickname. Again people not me.

By: Slartibartfast

Slartibartfast — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 05:30:43 +0000

@iceman-108: Hopefully Naka don't pick Tewis ahead of Piet then...

By: iceman

iceman — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 05:22:49 +0000

I believe that, Piet van Zyl and Goosen (both from the Cheetahs) will go a long way at solving this problem. For me, van Zyl is the fastest and cleaning passing scrummie in the country and has a very good boot to go aswell. They have grown up together and know each others play inside and out.

They are both young and inexperienced but I believe they have what it takes at Test level.

Also with so many experienced players returning next year we will only get better.

They way we manage your players leading up to the next World Cup is the most important thing. Key players need proper rest periods.

By: greatest13gerber

greatest13gerber — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 02:49:31 +0000

We need a fast passing halfback

By: the authority

the authority — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:17:21 +0000

In case anyone still thinks the Alberts try against England was illegal (nama that means you) – have a read:

http://www.rugby365.com/article/50865-law-discussion-alberts-s-try

By: Daddy

Daddy — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:59:38 +0000

More balance. Correct. Well done keo.

We also need more points than the opposition at the end of every game.

By: John1976

John1976 — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:47:59 +0000

@87 nama1 – you actually talking to the nick thief, notice the capital I in his nickname.

By: whatever

whatever — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:57:10 +0000

Boks never looked like losing? Really keo, must have watched a different game to me!

By: ryecatcher

ryecatcher — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:46:44 +0000

@nama1-87: Nama.Hi.That was the name.SybilWoman with multiple identities like our cyber associate.

By: mpundulu

mpundulu — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:34:42 +0000

Talking of defense against Northern Hemisphere teams, who aren’t renowned for sophisticated attacking approaches, I’m not convinced that the boks can definitively state that their defensive strategy is entirely unyielding. It needs to be tested against the ABs stretch and counter attack, and then we will all know what the boks defense is about. Then there’s a question of the Boks feeble attack, an aggregate inability to construct a try that evidences ball in hand know-how. Watching England vs the boks was an utter snore fest, it was actually deplorable, PDV had better attacking strategies.

By: suffer_guy

suffer_guy — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:34:36 +0000

To think that faf had to sit on the side for quota duminy…. Same way quota zane and jdj are keeping better players out…. Quotas se moer

By: skopdiekan

skopdiekan — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:06:16 +0000

I don’t buy this Meyer culture schmulture trip

Meyer has screwed up massively through his first year and the only reason he came out of it with some credibility is because he has some players in the squad who pull together in spite of his fckup decisions and poor management.

Meyer made some good calls mostly around the following players

JdV as captain was his saving grace from day one.. any other captain like for instance Pierre Schmidt or even Matfield or FdP and Meyer would have been a dismal failure this year.

Secondly by default he dropped Potgieter and Spies and Kankowski and Daniel and introduced Louw and Vermeulen into the loose trio..

That alone is what steadied his ship in the forwards.. imagine Meyer would have gone on EOYT with the likes of Spies, Kankowski, Potgieter, Daniel and Coetsee as his trio.. the same way he started the year off.. he would have collapsed into a heap of dismal ash.

He also eventually saw his folly and dropped Morne Steyn.. though he stuck with Kirchner and reluctantly bowed to pressure to play JdJ ahead of his first choice Taute at 13. His sticking with Pienaar has been an abject fault in his game plan but the character shown by others covered over that flaw in his team make up.

JdV, Louw, Vermeulen, Etsebeth, Strauss, Alberts and JPP have been carrying the show… nearly the entire Blue Bulls byeenkoms have fallen by the wayside..

if it weren’t for the staunch support and character shown by the WP contingent led by JdV in his squad.. Meyer would never have gotten through his first year unscathed.. and that’s a fact

By: cuntlyn

cuntlyn — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:48:32 +0000

@funkyzoo-82: Your points make sense and despite all our emotional outbursts here, HM is certainly working methodically. But, cant you coach a few things at once. I.e. backline moves and pin point kicking? Over simplifying, but just to illustrate the point. I can understand that defence is a mind set and should be drilled in. The forwards are drilled well now and the team defends well. Would be great if he speeds up the rest.

By: danuk

danuk — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:39:58 +0000

@funkyzoo-68: Agree, what worries me is that he seems very much to believe you will win based on just that, where the ABs and Wallabies don’t always require forward dominance to win. My worry is that his priorities for success are very much:
1. Gain line efficiency
2. Field position
3. Set piece
4. Defense, as in stop the player moving forward and turnovers

Where the ABs probably have similar but also:
1. Line breaks and meters gained
2. Ball retention and distribution
3. Defense as in slow down plat or turnovers

Our players seem to be practising different skills and actually look worse than our top S15 or CC teams