Hore set for hefty ban
26 Nov 2012
New Zealand hooker Andrew Hore has been cited for an off-the-ball incident which subsequently hospitalised Wales lock Bradley Davies.
Hore hit Davies off the ball during the initial stages of last Saturday’s Test in Cardiff. The incident was missed by matchday officials, but Hore has now been cited and looks likely to receive a lengthy suspension.
The time and date of the hearing, before the IRB’s appointed independent judicial officer, have yet to be fixed.
All Blacks coach Steve Hansen expects the hooker to be sidelined for some time. Hansen did not say as much, but has already called for a replacement ahead of the coming Test against England.
Dane Coles is expected to start at Twickenham.
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3 Dec 2012, 22:34 pm
@skopdiekan-7444:
Pipe down.
More people around the world play cricket than rugby.
3 Dec 2012, 22:35 pm
Biggest cricket legend of all time? How about David Boon…
On a flight between London and Sydney for the 1989 Ashes series, Boonie, known as “the keg on legs”, set the record for most beer consumed on the flight – 52 cans of full strength beer.
3 Dec 2012, 22:36 pm
@willievz-7448:
I only have 8.
But I have 2 thumbs.
3 Dec 2012, 22:36 pm
@TooMuchRugby-7180: All succesful sporsmen have to be arrogant.Think about it
3 Dec 2012, 22:38 pm
@gunther-7453: Ja ja ok
@willievz-7452: Sydney to London…
3 Dec 2012, 22:38 pm
@wnbb-7172: And Sha un was not arrogant.Q.E.D
3 Dec 2012, 22:40 pm
@willievz-7452:
DB the legend.
Took a blinder at short leg so that Warne could get his hatrick against the Poms.
3 Dec 2012, 22:41 pm
@willievz-7452:
I remember that .
He had legend status before he walked on the field.
To be fair it was a long flight and they were free!
That was his excuse anyway.
The big scandal is that he didn’t drink the sponsors brew.
3 Dec 2012, 22:41 pm
@gunther-7446: I remember that vicious inswinging yorker that came at 150km/h plus,,,,, the toe crusher or something they used to call it.
Forced batsmen to take a totally different guard that they normally would.
Great to watch.
3 Dec 2012, 22:41 pm
@Sheriff-7192: Hash will break the “arrogant leader”sterotype
3 Dec 2012, 22:42 pm
@skopdiekan-7444:
Ha ha, you don’t approve of cricket.
That’s quite all right, I played baseball as well, still prefer cricket though, but it’s a personal preference.
The Yanks are funny that’s all.
didn’t rounders also originate England?
3 Dec 2012, 22:44 pm
@nortierd-7461:
Relax.
He’s trying to stay relevant .
3 Dec 2012, 22:45 pm
@ryecatcher-7454:
Fine line between belief in your own ability and arrogance.
Most have the former, it’s public jealousy that mixes up the two
3 Dec 2012, 22:45 pm
The 1979 WC final.Collis Kiing and Viv Richards smacking the ball to all parts of Lords in a magnificent partnership of 149.Windies struggled at 90 odd for four when the two came together.King had a few tests for the Windies and then decided to go for the money on those rebel tours.
3 Dec 2012, 22:47 pm
Sylvester Clarke deserves an honourable mention. Had a devasting bouncer which was always well directed.
He unfortunately was born in the wrong era.
3 Dec 2012, 22:49 pm
@wnbb-7464:
Yes, but in those days a score of 250 odd in 55 overs were considered mammoth.
Now days 200 in a 20 over match is fair to good.
3 Dec 2012, 22:50 pm
@stormersboy-7459:
Vicious.
Even off his short run he could make you cry.
3 Dec 2012, 22:51 pm
Funny that no-one has mentioned Allan Donald…
3 Dec 2012, 22:54 pm
@willievz-7468: I had him as an honorable mention in my team.
3 Dec 2012, 22:54 pm
@willievz-7468:
He missed out on 5 years.
3 Dec 2012, 22:55 pm
Selecting the best is a combination of stats and memory, and that’s the problem. Commenting on players of a bygone era is a matter hearsay.
As probably the oldest blogger here, apart from Ryecatcher, I can only talk about what I’ve seen, and then it’s purely subjective and is no more accurate than the younger bloggers. The reality is that many players have given us joy and we respect them for it.
To try and select the best from a history of players over the last century is pointless. Let’s rather just acknowledge their contribution to the game and our pleasure.
3 Dec 2012, 22:55 pm
@willievz-7323: Heretical.But Bradmandifferent era.Different bowlers.No swing or reverse swing.
One could just as easily have WG Grace in side.Would rather have
Barry Richards.
3 Dec 2012, 22:55 pm
@willievz-7468:
I did.
3 Dec 2012, 22:58 pm
@David-7471:
Bit it’s fun isn’t it?
You grew up with Larwood and Trueman and I grew up with Marshall and Lillee.
That’s the rub.
3 Dec 2012, 22:59 pm
@ryecatcher-7472:
True
If those players saw the improvised shot making of today, they would think they were playing a different game.
Bowl bodyline today and you’d disappear all over the place.
Different game today
3 Dec 2012, 23:02 pm
@gunther-7474:
More Truman and Statham when I was a kid in England. Most people forget that Richie Benaud was probably the best ever leggie before Warne arrived.
Hey, Larwood was before my time.
3 Dec 2012, 23:03 pm
Imagine if we had the review system when Darryl Hair was umpire against us.
We would still be batting
3 Dec 2012, 23:03 pm
@David-7476: Bill O’Reilly would have something to say about that
3 Dec 2012, 23:05 pm
@David-7476:
Indeed.
Just kidding.
If anything this thread shows that Keo needs to sort out a cricket section.
Otherwise we will continue to take his Hore threads hostage.
3 Dec 2012, 23:07 pm
@skopdiekan-7396: Interesting Skop.Will read again tomorow.
3 Dec 2012, 23:07 pm
@nortierd-7477:
He’s definitely related to Bryce.
3 Dec 2012, 23:09 pm
the defining line for me is the level of character of the sport
the West Indies and India have produced some talisman type hero’s for their societies youth to look up to and try emulate such as Sachin Tendulkar, Kapil Dev, Viv Richards, Garry Sobers, Malcolm Marshall, etc. but if I had to try find a skittle sticks player of any true valuable character in my society to look up to I’d find it difficult to do so.
Graeme Gooch or Graeme Pollock or Hansie Cronje or Barry Richards or Michael Waugh or Richard Hadlee or Shane Warne or Ian Botham or even Don Bradman
not one of these people represent anything exalting in terms of sporting capacity or tenacity or quality of character that gives me any level of awe or admiration to look up to..
Now somebody like Sebastien Coe or Haile Gebrselassie or Hicham El Guerrouj or Usain Bolt, or Sergei Bubke or Muhammad Ali, or Marvin Haggler or Jack Dempsey or Rocky Marciano or Sugar Ray Leonard or even Mike Tyson .. now these people got some real sporting quality and high level character flowing through their veins.. even if the sporting code they might represent has less so called etiquette and class their character and the quality of their spirit and tenacity leaves any skittle sticks player wallowing way behind in their dust.
3 Dec 2012, 23:15 pm
@willievz-7478:
First hand observation or relying on historians?
That’s my point about how difficult it is to comment on players we’ve never seen.
3 Dec 2012, 23:17 pm
@skopdiekan-7482:
Have you heard of Imran Khan, who’s involved politically in attempting to bring sanity to Pakistani politics?
3 Dec 2012, 23:19 pm
Anyway, I’m off to bed. Cheers everyone.
3 Dec 2012, 23:21 pm
@skopdiekan-7482:
You obviously prefer individual sports to team sports.
3 Dec 2012, 23:24 pm
@skopdiekan-7482:
Would you have had Lance Armstrong in there a couple of months ago?
What about someone like Gary Player?
Michael Jordan is still a role model and hero to millions.
3 Dec 2012, 23:28 pm
@nortierd-7486: I prefer sports with some soul beneath its belly.. skittle sticks don’t have much of that .. although the Imran Khan’s, Sachin Tendulkah’s, Kapil Dev’s. Malcolm Marshall’s, Gary Sobers and Viv Richards have lifted their nations hopes to higher levels of esteem in the sporting world.. the likes of Muhammad Ali, Sebastien Coe, Roger Bannister, Haile Gebrselassie, Hicham El Guerrouj, Usain Bolt, or Sergei Bubke have done so far further than them with more bottom line guts and courage than any skittle sticks player could ever dream to emulate.
3 Dec 2012, 23:31 pm
@nortierd-7487: Nope not Armstrong or Gary Player
Michael Jordan and Bjorn Borg and Andre Agassi and Rod Laver definitely yes
3 Dec 2012, 23:38 pm
@skopdiekan-7488:
I’m going to have to disagree with you.
You are basing you’re assumptions in a biased way.
You dislike the game and that’s all good and well, but you can’t objectively rate the players on that assumption.
They are also just athletes who have reached the pinnacle of their chosen sport through hard work and dedication.
The term ” hate the game don’t hate the player” comes to mind.
The longevity of some of the top players don’t just happen, hours of training goes into it.
The athletes you referred to also trained their behinds off to get where they got and deserve the accolades, but so do the cricketers.
It’s a sport, the same as athletics and boxing, maybe not everyone’s cup of tea, but still just a sport.
3 Dec 2012, 23:44 pm
@nortierd-7490: which cricketer lifts the adrenaline levels of the spectator or the personal admiration of his particular discipline to the same or similar extent as Muhammad Ali or Sugar Ray Leonard or Gebrselassie, or Sebastian Coe or Usain Bolt or Sergei Bubke .. which one..? they are not in the same league from a position of outright dedicated guts and courage.. its like comparing a tiddly winks player to a chess master.. they are simply not anywhere nearly on the same stage of tenacity, courage, sheer will, strength of character and guts…
3 Dec 2012, 23:45 pm
@skopdiekan-7489:
Player encaptulated the spirit of sportmanship.
He redefined that you can overcome anything and through guts and determination, coupled with hard work, you can be successful.
He showed that technique beats size and power, he paved the way in terms of fitness in golf and best of all, he is South African.
3 Dec 2012, 23:47 pm
@David-7471: Agree with you on that point.Playing cricket on the Cape Flats under the Sacos umbrella the West Indies had cult status in our communities.They were our heroes.The Pollocks,Barlow,Richards etc etc gave joy and pleasure to a certain section of Saffa society and I respect that.
3 Dec 2012, 23:50 pm
@skopdiekan-7491:
Then you must question the spectator, not the player.
I can get excited watching a boxing match, but I can also enjoy a good game of cricket.
You can ask most cricket fans where they were when we lost the semi final in ’99 or the 438 match, and they will tell you precisely where they watched it and emotions will come to the fore again, similar to people recalling all the details of the ’95 rugby World Cup final.
Not many will have those same vivid emotions recalling a race or boxing match.
3 Dec 2012, 23:52 pm
You want to compare Gary Player or Jacque Kallis or Ernie Els with Michael Jordan, or Muhammad Ali or Sugar Ray Leonard or Sergei Bubke or Usain Bolt or Haile Gebrselassie
they not in the same league..
its like putting up some pygmy’s against some giants .. they not nearly in the same league.. nowhere near.
3 Dec 2012, 23:54 pm
@wnbb-7493:
The irony is I can recall going to Newlands as a laaitie and watching them. I loved Collos King and we emulated them as well.
Sad thing was many of those players were ostracized when they returned and some turned to drugs and became pariahs in there communities.
4 Dec 2012, 00:03 am
@skopdiekan-7495:
Then it’s ironic that Michael Jordan worships Tiger Woods and loves golf as well.
He had a talent in his field and reached the top, same as them in their fields.
You rate certain sports higher than others, but it doesn’t mean the players can be compared.
The Olympics have many sports, the majority boring, but all those athletes train equally hard and live and breathe it for 4 years, but there is only one 100 meter final.
So Bolt is the hero, what about Sing Suk Do who did pistol shoot?
I’d rather watch 5 days of cricket between the top 2 test sides than 5 minutes of beach volleyball, but it doesn’t mean I can dismiss those girls as eye candy and not athletes. They also worked hard to get there.
4 Dec 2012, 00:09 am
Best individual athletics record?
Sergei Bubka, 6.14 m
4 Dec 2012, 00:14 am
Golf and skittle sticks are soft sports.. they don’t need the level of immense courage and discipline and character that the top boxers have to pull out when they face off in a world title bout or the top grand slam tennis masters or top level athletes in their individual disciplines have to put themselves through
nowhere near.
some mental toughness is required but from a sheer strength of character and sheer will of endurance and dedication golf or skittle sticks is child’s play compared to track and field or long distance athletics or boxing and even nowhere near as demanding as a master tennis athlete on a grand slam court.
other Olympics disciplines like diving or gymnastics and even weight lifting and some other high energy sports also put golf and skittle sticks way in the shade in comparison for sheer courage and determination plus disciplined application, physicality and skill.
4 Dec 2012, 00:25 am
@skopdiekan-7499:
That is you’re opinion, and you may be right.
I would love to see Mike Tyson facing up to Dale Steyn or Curtley Ambrose. He would realize a new level of fear.
The same way they would feel if they had to get into a ring with him.
Try standing over a 10 foot putt with a Master title on the line.
That’s the beauty of sport Skop. There are many and each has it’s own level of skill, training, mental toughness etc. to train for and contend with.
We can’t say one is better just because we prefer it.
The Americans will tell you gridiron is the ultimate, we will dismiss it as rugby is our choice.
We can’t say we are right and they are wrong.
Michael Schumaker sat in a car, yet he was the fittest sportsman, even fitter than the long distance athletes. Can I call Formula 1 a soft sport just because I find it boring and don’t watch it and they only sit in a car and drive?
No, I have respect for their skills and dedication as sportsmen so I won’t say that, although I won’t watch or follow it.
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