Hore set for hefty ban
26 Nov 2012
New Zealand hooker Andrew Hore has been cited for an off-the-ball incident which subsequently hospitalised Wales lock Bradley Davies.
Hore hit Davies off the ball during the initial stages of last Saturday’s Test in Cardiff. The incident was missed by matchday officials, but Hore has now been cited and looks likely to receive a lengthy suspension.
The time and date of the hearing, before the IRB’s appointed independent judicial officer, have yet to be fixed.
All Blacks coach Steve Hansen expects the hooker to be sidelined for some time. Hansen did not say as much, but has already called for a replacement ahead of the coming Test against England.
Dane Coles is expected to start at Twickenham.
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26 Nov 2012, 07:14 am
@NZINCHINA-44: No it wasn’t “completely justified” by 99% on here. There were plenty of us here who felt Greyling had been a complete idiot and should never be anywhere a springbok jumper again. I will be surprised and disappointed if he ever is. I am surprised by Hore, but then I was also surprised by Burger Geldenhuys who did exactly the same thing and whose career was terminated as a result.
26 Nov 2012, 07:16 am
@NZINCHINA-50:
huh..?.
this thread is specifically about an incident which during a game of rugby
and i’m talking about it
26 Nov 2012, 07:16 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-52:
= which occured during a game of rugby
26 Nov 2012, 07:17 am
@poppa69-47: Revered by who?
26 Nov 2012, 07:19 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-52:
don’t be silly Houston nobody takes your foul play comments seriously
26 Nov 2012, 07:21 am
@NZINCHINA-44: I don’t know who told you that “we were going to destroy the Aussies” but it certainly would not have been me. I’ve a respect for Australian cricket, particularly when played in Australia. As you can see, South Africa are still fighting.
26 Nov 2012, 07:23 am
@stormer in a teacup-51: Maybe I shouldn’t have been that surprised. apparently Hore has a conviction for killing protected wildlife.
26 Nov 2012, 07:24 am
@NZINCHINA-55:
really?
besides, it wouldn’t make it any less true even if that was the case… would it..?..
forget the messenger for a moment.
26 Nov 2012, 07:25 am
@stormer in a teacup-57:
oh no!
say it aint so…
26 Nov 2012, 07:25 am
@Esoteric-56:
im not watching it that’s why I asked what was happening, unfortunately cricket isnt what it used to be match fixing is destroying it, it also doesnt help when your own team loses to Bangledesh
26 Nov 2012, 07:28 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-58:
really ask around
26 Nov 2012, 07:29 am
@stormer in a teacup-57: so what animal did he kill? Roux killed a cop and is now playing in europe, apparently you can buy your way out of murder in SA…
26 Nov 2012, 07:31 am
@poppa69-62:
didn’t know that how did he get off?
26 Nov 2012, 07:31 am
Absolutely shocking footage. Two New Zealanders shot by snipers in the middle of a test match. Can’t believe it didn’t make bigger headlines at the time.
http://prem0.hiboox.com/images/4612/diapo59d7134d7d7ad7462d7b433a95a96726.gif
26 Nov 2012, 07:32 am
@NZINCHINA-60: Oh okay, sorry. SA need to score too many runs on the final day so are playing for a draw. Australia have have taken 1 wicket since yesterday afternoon and we’re into the final session.
Match fixing is largely confined to the sub-continent region so in my opinion doesn’t ruin the game at large. NZ could be better at the game but their mindset seems to be orientated to the slower forms of the game. Pretty good at T20, okay at ODI but not too hot at tests.
26 Nov 2012, 07:32 am
@katman-64:
you’re trying too hard
26 Nov 2012, 07:32 am
@Esoteric-65: slower=shorter
26 Nov 2012, 07:34 am
@NZINCHINA-63: I think he paid something like 700 000 rand to the widow of the man he murdered..
then left to play rugby in europe…
seems he was from the priviledged side of SA..
26 Nov 2012, 07:34 am
NZ in China: Trust me there were plenty of people in SA who were horrified with Henry Tromp’s selection; this one included.
A phone call to then-CEO Rian Oberholzer was at least taken by him but all he was prepared to tell me was that basically it was’s the coach’s (Markgraaff) decision and that they trusted and believed in him and couldn’t (wouldn’t) interfere with his selections.
A strongly worded letter was then forwarded to Oberholzer but, in true SARU fashion, I’m still waiting for an answer…
26 Nov 2012, 07:35 am
@Esoteric-65:
thanks I saw the stumps score yesterday and it looked like the Aussies would romp home today so a good fight back, not so sure if match fixing is confined to the sub continent that’s what the’yd like us all to believe though
26 Nov 2012, 07:36 am
@poppa69-68: You mean privileged
26 Nov 2012, 07:37 am
@katman-64:
lol what the heck happened there?
A few soccer players would be envious of those diving skills
26 Nov 2012, 07:37 am
@poppa69-68:
blood money unfortunately still exists, if you run somebody over and kill them in China your fault or not the going rate is 200,000 rmb shambles
26 Nov 2012, 07:37 am
Blue Bulls rugby player Jacobus “Bees” Roux walked out of the Pretoria High Court a free man on Friday after being given a suspended sentence on charges of culpable homicide and drunken driving.
After the case was delayed for hours on Thursday and most of Friday, the defence and state finally came back to court shortly after 4pm with a plea bargain agreement.
Judge Nomonde Mngqibisa-Thusi sentenced Roux, in accordance with the plea agreement, to five years imprisonment with a conditional suspended sentence also of five years.
The suspension was on condition that he paid the widow of Metro police officer Sergeant Ntshimane Johannes Mogale, who he killed, R750 000 and that he was not convicted again of a violent crime.
killing an animal seems pretty lame in comparison..
26 Nov 2012, 07:38 am
what disgusts me more about this hore incident is the way in which he lands both his knees on the now prone player after felling him.
anyone watching it again will see he lands his knees on the welsh locks head and back, fark me
yes the welsh lock was knocked cold already before that but a knee to the head of an unconcious man is so, so dangerous, i dont need to point out.
26 Nov 2012, 07:39 am
100 000 NZ dollars seems quite cheap for taking a mans life..
26 Nov 2012, 07:39 am
@BrumbiesBoy-69:
Markgraaff didn’t he get a posting to he UN after his coaching days ended?
26 Nov 2012, 07:40 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-75:
they don’t take your post seriously re foul play
26 Nov 2012, 07:40 am
Perhaps keo could run a pole on this topic.
At his hearing Hore’s defense team will lead with:
a.) “He’s a genuinely top bloke”
b.) “He was simply joining the ruck and the Welshman got in the way”
c.) “It was early in the game and the Haka testosterone levels were still dangerously high”
d.) “That wasn’t actually Hore but a dead-ringer pitch invader”
26 Nov 2012, 07:41 am
@NZINCHINA-70: Well, most of cricketing revenue is generated in the subcontinent and the number of exposed match fixing scandals have originated from that area (admittedly on one proved occasion, with SA’n involvement) so would still say that it is a phenomenon endemic to that region.
26 Nov 2012, 07:41 am
@poppa69-74:
wow and they wonder why they have a crime problem thats terrible justice
26 Nov 2012, 07:42 am
@poppa69-68: R100,000.00. And it was unfortunately not as simplistic as you’d like it to be. If it was a slamdunk murder case he’d have been rotting in jail now.
26 Nov 2012, 07:42 am
How two South Africans can shut up 50 000* Australians…!
Jakes and Faf fighting till the end…!!
No Aussie in the crowd dares f@rt lest the broadcast mics relay it to the whole world. Could get into the Guinness Book of Records as the worlds most widely heard f@rt…!!
(* or however many Aussies are watching in Adelaide)
26 Nov 2012, 07:42 am
@Esoteric-80: wasnt Warne and Mark Waugh also paid to give “pitch reports”
26 Nov 2012, 07:44 am
Go on!!! Du Plessis, you Yster! Well done, 100 on test debut. Magnificently disciplined innings. Australia have thrown the kitchen sink at him but he does not yield.
26 Nov 2012, 07:45 am
50 & 100 for Faf on debut…!!!
Now called a Faf fa…!!!
26 Nov 2012, 07:45 am
@Taahirah-82: murder, manslaughter whatever… still walked out of court and was able to flee the country? strange
26 Nov 2012, 07:45 am
@NZINCHINA-81: Where did you get the Henry Tromp shot two people bit? Im genuinely perplexed, as the only incident Im aware of is the culpable homicide of a boy, beaten to death by his (Tromp’s) dad, with Tromp in assistance.
Kindly provide a link.
26 Nov 2012, 07:45 am
@poppa69-84: Not sure, think Warne might have been fingered but not proven? Anyway, he was done for doping not long later…
26 Nov 2012, 07:46 am
@Esoteric-80:
you’re correct about the revenue not so sure about the other part though easy to blame the Indians and ****’s
26 Nov 2012, 07:46 am
So pops, how many games have Bees played for the Boks since then? How many rugby games have he played for any team in SA after that?
26 Nov 2012, 07:46 am
@poppa69-87: No. Tragic.
How clued up are you on the events of that evening?
26 Nov 2012, 07:47 am
considering he pleaded guilty to culpable homicide, its very stinky… if the roles were reversed would Mogale have been afforded the same “leniency”?
26 Nov 2012, 07:47 am
@NZINCHINA-90: Well until concrete proof emerges from other areas, the stereotype will remain
26 Nov 2012, 07:48 am
@Taahirah-88:
thats what I thought but some punter here a while ago said there were two murders so my mistake perhaps, ok so Trompy SNR and Trompy JuN beat a boy to death fark thats worse the whole family was rotten to the core
26 Nov 2012, 07:48 am
@NZINCHINA-78:
chris rattue on the incident:
Chris Rattue: Hore shows All Blacks not above thuggery
Wales might just have got the better of a 14-man side if justice had been served. Andrew Hore just had to be red-carded in Cardiff, thus giving Wales a royal chance of beating the All Blacks for the first time in nearly 60 years
Hore’s vicious cheap shot, or make that shots, on the Welsh lock Bradley Davies marked a day of shame for the All Blacks and rugby in general. Rugby – on this year’s evidence – has become incapable of dealing with its thugs.
New Zealand’s often self-righteous rugby attitudes have faced tricky little tests on this tour, starting with Adam Thomson’s scraping of a Scottish head and the resulting soft suspension, and now Hore’s indefensible assault on Davies.
The All Blacks are just as capable as anyone else of committing foul deeds, as many of us knew anyway, and just as capable of getting a soft ride from the authorities.
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further;
Had, for instance, a Welshman attacked Richie McCaw in this way, our little rugby nation would be awash in outrage, have no fear about that.
While the silence out of the Sky television talk-fest box in condemning this act was as deafening as it was expected given their history of All Black-centric analysis, the impartial eye could only look on in horror. Men who can become incensed at the referee’s faulty set square at ruck entry time were as stony silent as poleaxed Davies.
Justin Marshall was perhaps on the verge of saying what everyone else was thinking but couldn’t get the words out. The rest found the situation beyond their skill sets.
There is no excuse or explanation for what Hore did, and the All Blacks management are best advised to condemn Hore with an honesty to match that of the Welsh captain Sam Warburton, who admitted to the obvious – after seeing big screen replays – that he deserved to be sent off for a tip tackle in a World Cup semifinal last year.
26 Nov 2012, 07:48 am
Hmmm, 6 down now…
26 Nov 2012, 07:48 am
@BrumbiesBoy-69: Correction, I think he was MD at the time & not CEO!
@NZINCHINA-77: Luckily not! The Bester brothers sorted him out before they could do that! Don’t know what he’s up to these days and care even less; he was already my Public Enemy No 1 for the disgusting way in which he treated Francois Pienaar.
An a%^&hole of note.
26 Nov 2012, 07:48 am
Hore must go for a lengthy skate, even given that rugby’s judicial processes are to justice what Wall St is to world humanity. The injustice to Wales was magnified as the blow was delivered in the first minute, reducing their squad by one for virtually the entirety while the All Blacks retained 15 on the field. What a sham.
In this day and age, 14 All Blacks versus 15 Welshmen would represent an even contest, and the sight of Hore leaving in disgrace so early would surely have lifted the crowd and the team towards a famous victory.
Wales certainly deserved the chance, and while the All Blacks were often impressive and way the better, the madman Hore turned this into an ill-deserved triumph.
26 Nov 2012, 07:49 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-96: Yup, already mentioned this earlier.
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