Hore set for hefty ban
26 Nov 2012
New Zealand hooker Andrew Hore has been cited for an off-the-ball incident which subsequently hospitalised Wales lock Bradley Davies.
Hore hit Davies off the ball during the initial stages of last Saturday’s Test in Cardiff. The incident was missed by matchday officials, but Hore has now been cited and looks likely to receive a lengthy suspension.
The time and date of the hearing, before the IRB’s appointed independent judicial officer, have yet to be fixed.
All Blacks coach Steve Hansen expects the hooker to be sidelined for some time. Hansen did not say as much, but has already called for a replacement ahead of the coming Test against England.
Dane Coles is expected to start at Twickenham.
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13 Dec 2012, 17:20 pm
@victoriabok-13247: But old Tietjens have been with the Blitzblackies since year dot. Treu looks like a bright oke, surely he can deliver? No, I think it’s a psychological thing. As Saffas, we don’t believe we can win any more. There’s so much negativity in our society and it’s creeping into our psyches.
13 Dec 2012, 17:21 pm
@Sheriff-13249:
Get a player who retired recently to caoch them, like the Cheetahs did with Rassie
Anyone would be better than Treu
13 Dec 2012, 17:23 pm
@playtheball-13251:
So we were a winning nation but then lost our way.
What happened?
13 Dec 2012, 17:24 pm
@playtheball-13251:
The Proteas were in the dumps and it took an ex-player turned coach Gary to turn them into no 1
13 Dec 2012, 17:26 pm
@victoriabok-13252:
I think you’re over simplifying things a bit
I think 7s at the upper levels are more complicated than what we would think, to coach that is
But who did you have in mind?
13 Dec 2012, 17:27 pm
@Sheriff-13253: It’ll take time. The euphoria of the early nineties have made place for disillusionment at the fact that our leaders aren’t saints, that we are now just another ordinary country. In the movie All that Jazz, someone says to the lead: “You know what’s wrong with you? You suffer from the dreadful malaise of being ordinary.”
13 Dec 2012, 17:29 pm
@victoriabok-13254: Maybe you’re right. But I don’t think all ex-players can sommer become good coaches. It’s a very specific mindset, innit? So who?
13 Dec 2012, 17:30 pm
@Sheriff-13249:
The difference is they still use their sevens team to grow talent for the fifteen man code, and they’re willing to release youngsters to the sevens team
We used to play sevens with “real” Boks in the beginning too, I remember seeing Joost, Juba, Andre Venter and others playing in the Hong Kong sevens, with a young Skinstadt, I think he was 19, coming off the bench
Our sevens team might as well be a different sport altogether, most players never play fifteen man rugby or perform poorly
Yes, I know about Aplon but in general they’re a seperate entity
13 Dec 2012, 17:33 pm
@Sheriff-13255:
So there would be no-one else if we’re to go with your premise?
Go with Treu till the end?
What will you do if he retires one day?
13 Dec 2012, 17:35 pm
@playtheball-13256:
I see your point but reckon the euphoria period was not that long actually.
In 1994 white SA held their collective breath, so no euphoria there. In 1995 Derrick Bevan was awarded a gold watch by Louis Luyt for his contribution so yes 1995 definitely a feel good year.
1996 -1997 I think we got hammered until Mallett won it for us again in 1998.
So if 1995 was the only good year, why is it that we remain for 17 years in this negative mindset?
13 Dec 2012, 17:37 pm
@victoriabok-13259: You say the difference between the All Blacks and the Blitzbokke is that they use their sevens team to grow talent for their fifteen-man code and we don’t. So don’t you think it’s a structure thing then and that changing the coach won’t make all that much difference if the structures aren’t in place?
13 Dec 2012, 17:39 pm
@victoriabok-13259:
What about Breyton Paulse to take over the 7s?
Played at the highest levels, scored the tries and a real love for the running game
13 Dec 2012, 17:39 pm
@playtheball-13256:
> The euphoria of the early nineties have made place for disillusionment at the fact that our leaders aren’t saints
They were qualified for the job at least, Madiba was a lawyer and Mbeki had a Masters in Economics
Not the Standard 3 and the F in woodwork the current and future presidents have achieved
> It’ll take time
Lots and lots of it, maybe the Chinese would run their SA colony better one day?
13 Dec 2012, 17:40 pm
@victoriabok-13258:
It’s a money thing; bring their money on par with 15s- entry to mid levels
13 Dec 2012, 17:42 pm
Yes, I like that idea: BREYTON PAULSE for the new 7s coach
*************** You heard it here first
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13 Dec 2012, 17:44 pm
Paul Treu need not be lost to SA rugby
Former teacher will do well with younger teams, developing
I like his passion so we should look to retain him in the structures
13 Dec 2012, 17:45 pm
Later mates
13 Dec 2012, 17:47 pm
@victoriabok-13263: No doubt the current crop of ANC leaders are ******* up big time. But things will change, I really believe it. The only question is if a lot of blood will have to flow before that change comes.
13 Dec 2012, 17:48 pm
@Sheriff-13265: Good idea. Breyton has energy. Cheers mate.
13 Dec 2012, 18:00 pm
@Sheriff-13262:
Sien jy nou, there’s a very good alternative
We should have a succession plan in SA rugby
Breyton for 8-10 years with Aplon his assistant coach for the last four and then Aplon takes over
They know the seven game well
We should have had it with the Boks as well, after Jake we should have had HM take over for eight years, winning with the core of his Bulls team like Victor, Fdp, Pakslae, Habana and Bakkies
Then AC for eight followed by Rassie
13 Dec 2012, 18:18 pm
@victoriabok-13270:
I doubt whether Breyten will be interested. He is now a television celebrity in SA. It is a much nicer job then to travel the world with some rugby players only to be beaten regularly by the more athletic Samoans, Fidjians and NZ’ landers (at sevens).
13 Dec 2012, 18:29 pm
@victoriabok-13270:
Why HM after Jake? AC, as assistant coach would have been a more logical choice, if your aim is consistency.
13 Dec 2012, 18:35 pm
@David-13272:
The core of the team were his players, he took them from U/20 ranks into the BB team and won CC and S14 cups with them. If Snor managed some success with them imagine what HM would have achieved with players he knows very well and who’d go through the fire for him?
13 Dec 2012, 18:37 pm
@David-13272:
AC said himself he wasn’t interested yet, I think he’ll be the next coach, especially when you win the S15 next year
13 Dec 2012, 18:39 pm
@victoriabok-13273:
Matfield, Bakkies, Rossouw and FdP with possibly Steenkamp and less possibly Spies, isn’t exactly the core.
13 Dec 2012, 18:47 pm
@David-13275:
The other senior players were John Smith, Schalk, Juan, JdeV, Brian, JPP and Jaques. All non Bulls.
13 Dec 2012, 18:51 pm
@victoriabok-13274:
I reckon the Stormers and Sharks are about equal SA contenders next year.
13 Dec 2012, 19:57 pm
What’s happening here?
Paul Treu as Bok backline coach? Now there’s a move in the right direction. The current Bok backline coach ….. what’s his name? That to me says it all.
13 Dec 2012, 20:03 pm
@I am a stormer-13278:
Not sure what is happening…. and do not have the energy to read back!!
Would like someone to do a brief report!!
You know, like news headlines…..
13 Dec 2012, 20:05 pm
@I am a stormer-13278:
Rather skills coach. A 15 man game backline coach is a bit more complex than in the 7s game.
13 Dec 2012, 20:08 pm
@carol-13279:
“Rugby thread heading for immortality.”
13 Dec 2012, 20:08 pm
@carol-13279:
Hey, then we’re in the same boat.
I’ve just logged on and will pop in from time to time. Let’s see who comes up with something.
By the way, Cape Town is it as far as the weather goes.
One of my colleagues is flying out to Leeds area tonight – I think she will feel cold where she’s never been cold before!
13 Dec 2012, 20:13 pm
@David-13280:
Rugby 7′s is a totally differnt game. We all know that. But the Bok backline is far too static – they spend more time running into faces than running into spaces. When it comes to defending against one on one or beating a man one on one, rugby 7′s can do it.
The Bok backline has lost that flair – I’d much rather have Treu there than what’s his name.
13 Dec 2012, 20:23 pm
watching “the road” with viggo mortennson.
prep time for the 21st
13 Dec 2012, 20:25 pm
@David-13281:
Thats the spirit….!!
Then ‘Katman and Gunter keep the laughs alive’
‘Skoppie says something we understand’
‘Sheriff finds out a bloggers secret’
‘iloveyoubakkies botha, gets a cash reward from Keo in person for services to his hit rate’
13 Dec 2012, 20:26 pm
@The Rangerman-13284:
If you like his films you should watch “A History of violence”
13 Dec 2012, 20:28 pm
@The Rangerman-13284:
You mean it’s time to lay on the booze, braai and birds.
If you’re going to go down, you might as well go down in flames.
13 Dec 2012, 20:29 pm
@I am a stormer-13282:
Robzim says it is in 30′s in CT today, it is brutal here in Pom Land…. Looks like a traditional Christmas Card scene outside..
Minus 6 last night!!
13 Dec 2012, 20:29 pm
Treu would be a fine back line coach far better than the useless blue balls crud we got now
what he manages to achieve with a bunch of midgets and mediocre 2nd string players on the 7′s circuit is a lot more than anyone gives him credit for.. have you seen the size of our little midgets compared to the Fijian’s Samoan’s AB’s and even the French and English 7′s sides.?
13 Dec 2012, 20:34 pm
David I’m up the road from you right now doing a stint in JHB stomping my old hunting grounds from way back when
13 Dec 2012, 20:34 pm
@victoriabok-13286: ja have seen it, enjoyed it.
i like the road because its so different from any other post-apocalyptic movie i have ever seen.
@I am a stormer-13287: haha, there isnt anything anyone can do apparently so why bother worrying?
13 Dec 2012, 20:35 pm
@skopdiekan-13290: hey snoeks, welcome to the thread.
again.
lets roll this baby yeah?
13 Dec 2012, 20:37 pm
@carol-13288: hi carol.
you guys can keep that weather, us tropical durbanites cant handle anything under 21 degrees before the whining starts.
13 Dec 2012, 20:37 pm
f’all else happening in keoville
least Jo’burgs still alive and kicking.. got far more kick left in it compared to sleepy hollow CT
13 Dec 2012, 20:37 pm
Eish
We talking rugby?
13 Dec 2012, 20:38 pm
Im still at work. Thought you guys would like to know.
13 Dec 2012, 20:39 pm
@Dawn-13295: nah, talking about the apocalypse.
ok, some are talking 7′s but much like T20, i cant find it in me to get involved emotionally in a bubblegum version of one of my favourite sports.
poopsie been a bit scarce of late?
nzinchina too.
since that loss to england.
13 Dec 2012, 20:40 pm
“The Road” is so depressing ag nee man Rangerman
13 Dec 2012, 20:40 pm
@Taahirah-13296: keep those wheels turning ta.
thanks.
13 Dec 2012, 20:41 pm
@skopdiekan-13290:
How long are you here for? We must get together.
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