Hore set for hefty ban
26 Nov 2012
New Zealand hooker Andrew Hore has been cited for an off-the-ball incident which subsequently hospitalised Wales lock Bradley Davies.
Hore hit Davies off the ball during the initial stages of last Saturday’s Test in Cardiff. The incident was missed by matchday officials, but Hore has now been cited and looks likely to receive a lengthy suspension.
The time and date of the hearing, before the IRB’s appointed independent judicial officer, have yet to be fixed.
All Blacks coach Steve Hansen expects the hooker to be sidelined for some time. Hansen did not say as much, but has already called for a replacement ahead of the coming Test against England.
Dane Coles is expected to start at Twickenham.
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16 Dec 2012, 12:12 pm
@Heavens Game-14199: Like I said: Cant remember the source, read it on News24.
16 Dec 2012, 12:14 pm
This got me thinking. Why would anyone say Cape Town is racist if it wasn’t? What would be the point of that? Surely, it is safe to assume that if someone said it, that was what they felt. And how could any single white Capetonian get all high and mighty and declare it ain’t so? How the hell would they know? Now I am not claiming that it is or isn’t true. I just think that the decent thing to do would be to shut up and listen, take notice and care deeply that a black person would feel that. Then, I would try my hardest not to try and convince the world on twitter that it wasn’t true, but to understand, care and change things. It is our problem, whether it is a perception or an action. And shouting about it being not true doesn’t make it so. I am deeply afraid that the defensive bleating might end up proving the opposite; since that’s what it sounds like. It sounds racist to me.
16 Dec 2012, 12:17 pm
@Heavens Game-14202:
“This got me thinking”.
No it didn’t HG.
It got your trolling.
16 Dec 2012, 12:19 pm
@CharlesM-14198:
14,000 congratulations.
Great double.
16 Dec 2012, 12:19 pm
When Lindiwe Suttle tweeted about her experience of racism in Cape Town, several other non-white South Africans voiced additional experiences of racism in the old city. These voices soon joined forces in the controversial and contested Twitter hashtag, #CapeTownIsRacist. Helen Zille, in a rash and petty tweet, called the claim “a baseless assertion” and “complete nonsense”. Zille’s comments were met with anger from several tweeters, including Johannesburg-based singer Simphiwe Dana, who responded: “It is embarrassing that as a leader you would deny people their experiences. Try live in a black skin for once. You have the power to change things. Use it!” And in poor taste and lacking insight, something which she appears to have had in short supply in recent months, Zille accused Dana of being a “professional black”. Originally coined by Jacob Dlamini in a critique of Jimmy Manyi, the term is meant to refer to someone who “trades on his [or her] skin colour”. In a display of Zille’s notoriously thoughtless cattiness, the Premier almost shut down the possibility of reasoned and open debate about race-related experiences of non-whites.
This kind of blind “reactionism” and defensiveness displayed by the Premier also proliferates in less esteemed company. It happens among white peers, as well as online public spaces. When the Mail&Guardian’s Verashni Pillay last week described her experience of racism in Cape Town, her column was met with hostility, not on the merits of her writing or arguments, but instead on the credibility of her claims that she experienced racism. One commentator called on Pillay to cite specific cases of racism she experienced: “I challenge you to list and describe the ‘racist incidents’ which made you ‘flee’ Cape Town. Easy to make allegations, not so easy to back up. Methinks you’re full of sh*t.” Similarly, Zille has begun her own search for empirical evidence of racism in Cape Town, encouraging her followers to tweet their experiences of racism at Cape Town businesses as and when they happen.
While it may be admirable, this kind of pragmatism and positivism in the face of complaints of racism in Cape Town (or anywhere in South Africa) ignores the complexity and nuances of racism. Overt and explicit racism, the likes of which includes denying racial groups access to services or the acts of hate crimes and hate speech, may be dealt with pragmatically. Implicit racism, however, is a much more complex beast to conquer, and its prevalence and existence is often denied by many white South Africans.
16 Dec 2012, 12:21 pm
@cane-14204: Thanks cane !! Yes 12000 and 14000 !!
16 Dec 2012, 12:21 pm
I believe that Zille’s blindness – and that of many white South Africans – to implicit racism is a symptom of her “whiteness”.
“Whiteness”, just like race, is a socially constructed element of identity, and is in no way an inherited or genetic trait. But being a social construct does not make it any less real. ”Whiteness”, as identified in critical whiteness studies, refers to the invisibility of “white” as a racial category – race only applies to the non-white. The race of white people often goes unnamed, whereas members of other races are frequently identified by their perceived race. Instead, white people and their experiences are centred as the human norm. This is partly exemplified by Zille’s initial denial of the claim that “Cape Town is racist”. A better example would be the comments on Jacob Phamodi’s column in Daily Maverick , wherein he explores his experiences of racism as an “articulate black”:
“Another poor bloody victim.”
“Jacob, after reading your article three times, I have come to the conclusion that the only one ‘preoccupied with your blackness’ is you. The world you describe is not one that I recognise, and your article ends up being nothing more than an anti-white rant.”
The first commentator not only appears to deny Phamodi’s experiences of racism, he makes a throwaway comment frequently heard among white peers: that non-white people, specifically blacks, suffer from some kind of victim pathology. It alludes to the racist and privileged belief that, were we to acknowledge the validity of Phamodi’s claims of racism, Phamodi is just another black shackled by his victimhood; another black with a “chip on his shoulder”. Consequently, Phamodi must “just get over it”. A more insidious allusion of this comment, however, may be that black peoples’ experiences of racism are nothing more than projections of perpetual victimhood, and have no basis in “reality”. When a second commentator states, in an attempt to discredit Phamodi, that his description of racism “is not one that I recognise”, this blindness of “whiteness” comes to the fore. So, simply because this commentator does not share Phamodi’s experience of racism, it must therefore be irrefutably invalid?
16 Dec 2012, 12:22 pm
@cane-14204: It seems that the cricket followers in NZ are a bit divided on the Ross Taylor saga
16 Dec 2012, 12:25 pm
The DA’s public obsession with denying white privilege (bizarre as that is in a post-apartheid state), and promoting a notion of colour-blindedness where opportunities are dished out based on “merit” without acknowledging that white South Africans literally walked over Black citizens to get a head start has been popular with white voters in the past – but the tiny percentage of township votes for the DA indicate that this message was not popular with Black South Africans at all.
With the 2014 elections approaching, the DA faces a new conundrum – it has been in power in Cape Town for six years without making any strides in improving the lives of Black residents from both the townships and the ghettoes. It has frequently blamed its failure to deliver houses on allegedly uncontrollable influxes of Blacks from the Eastern Cape.
But it also needs hundreds of thousands of new Black voters. Millions of rands in funding from undisclosed sources, shrewd advertising jingles and a receptive contingent of journalists – along with the ANC’s abject failure to deliver on its promises – gave the DA an increased share of the vote in the 2009 and 2011 elections.
But if in 2014, the DA only increases its share of the “Black vote” by a tiny percentage, its dream of taking power will never be realised, since the refusal of Black people to vote for it then will signal that Black voters do not see the party as an alternative to the ANC.
The DA’s chances in 2014 are further jeopardised by the fact that while the ANC is delivering poorly and slowly, it is not doing any better. The Blikkiesdorp (Tin Can Town) transit camp – now in its sixth year of existence with no sign of it being temporary as was promised – was dubbed a “concentration camp” by mainstream international newspapers during the 2010 World Cup. There is no obvious improvement in township life while there are obvious signs that Cape Town is a racist city – the segregated living areas, schools, workplaces, supermarkets, and public parks. No city administration in charge of such a vastly segregated geographical area can plausibly deny that racism exists in their city.
16 Dec 2012, 12:26 pm
Cane I’m out for a while. I would like to chat but I’m not in the mood for a racism debate today……….and no HG I’m not saying that we are living in perfect harmony / or denying the problems: I don’t like getting into such a “heavy” subject
16 Dec 2012, 12:27 pm
@David-14046: No chap, it’s sacrilige (sp?) to eat roast lamb without mint sauce!
16 Dec 2012, 12:28 pm
@CharlesM-14208:
The sacking of Capt Ross Taylor has been perhaps, the biggest controversy of the Sporting year in NZ.
We now go to SA without our best two batsman. Lambs to the slaughter.
16 Dec 2012, 12:29 pm
@cane-14212: It’s a real pity about Ross – would have loved to see him batting !!
16 Dec 2012, 12:33 pm
The more wasteful problem at the moment is the ANCheid. They should sort their stuff out.
16 Dec 2012, 12:34 pm
@cane-14212:
Can work both ways, those here can play above themselves to prove that they belong and it might just galvanize them.
I don’t believe that they are going to make an impact in the tests though, with or without Taylor, I think the Proteas have to much in the test department, but the 20/20′s can go anyway.
Always been a bit of a lottery.
16 Dec 2012, 12:35 pm
@cane-14212: You mean it is not Dan Carter taking Richiechie’s IRB World player’s award?
16 Dec 2012, 12:38 pm
Boerewors rolls for lunch it is, sure beats boiled broccoli & beetroot.
16 Dec 2012, 13:03 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-14217:
I picked up a boerewors at the Mad Butchers the other day.
Looked at the fat content, and put it straight back.
16 Dec 2012, 13:06 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-14217:
” broccoli & beetroot”.
You can’t beet a root BB.
16 Dec 2012, 13:11 pm
@cane-14219:
kia ora my brother,you well?
16 Dec 2012, 13:12 pm
@nortierd-14215: @shooter-14216: @BrumbiesBoy-14217:
nortierd, Brumbies Boy and shooter.
Pick the odd one out.
You are dragging the chain BB,
Those other two are multiple thousand post winners.
Get your stuff together.
Goodnight all,
and roll on 15K.
16 Dec 2012, 13:12 pm
@cane-14218:
keewees cannot make boerewors.
16 Dec 2012, 13:28 pm
Is 15,000 before Christmas possible?
This is like “Die Burger Kersfonds”!
Exciting stuff.
16 Dec 2012, 13:37 pm
@Fern-14220:
Kia ora Fernly…what you been upto?
16 Dec 2012, 13:43 pm
@Heavens Game-14209:
HG…whats up with the green nic….you turned Capitalistic?
16 Dec 2012, 15:06 pm
Some of the deadliest mass shootings that have taken place in the last three decades:
December 14, 2012: A total of 27 people are killed at a primary school in Newtown, Connecticut, in the northeastern United States, after a gunman opened fire. Twenty children and six adults were killed at the school, and another adult was killed at a second location. The gunman was also killed.
December 12, 2012: A gunman opens fire inside an Oregon shopping mall, killing at least two people before shooting himself to death.
August 14, 2012: A gunman shoots and kills a police officer and a civilian near a university in the US state of Texas, police said.
August 5, 2012: Army veteran Wade Michael Page kills five men and one woman and wounds three other people, including a police officer, before taking his own life at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin outside Milwaukee.
July 20, 2012: At least 12 people are killed when a gunman enters an Aurora, Colorado, movie theatre, releases a canister of gas and then opens fire during opening night of the Batman movie ‘The Dark Knight Rises’. James Holmes, a 24-year-old former graduate student at the University of Colorado, has been charged in the deaths.
July 22, 2011: Confessed mass killer Anders Behring Breivik kills 77 in Norway in twin attacks: a bombing in downtown Oslo and a shooting massacre at a youth camp outside the capital. The self-styled anti-Muslim fanatic admitted both attacks.
January 8, 2011: A gunman kills six people and wounds 13 others, including then-US Representative Gabrielle Giffords, in a shooting spree outside a grocery store in Tucson, Arizona. Doctors say Jared Lee Loughner, who has been charged in the deaths, suffers from schizophrenia.
November 5, 2009: Thirteen soldiers and civilians were killed and more than two dozen wounded when a gunman walked into the Soldier Readiness Processing Center at Fort Hood, Texas, and opened fire. Army psychiatrist Major Nidal Hasan is charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder.
April 30, 2009: Farda Gadyrov, 29, enters the prestigious Azerbaijan State Oil Academy in the capital, Baku, armed with an automatic pistol and clips. He kills 12 people before killing himself as police close in.
March 10, 2009: Michael McLendon, 28, killed 10 people, including his mother, four other relatives, and the wife and child of a local sheriff’s deputy, across two rural Alabama counties. He then killed himself.
September 23, 2008: Matti Saari, 22, walks into a vocational college in Kauhajoki, Finland, and opens fire, killing 10 people and burning their bodies with firebombs before shooting himself fatally in the head.
November 7, 2007: After revealing plans for his attack in YouTube postings, 18-year-old Pekka-Eric Auvinen fires kills eight people at his high school in Tuusula, Finland.
April 16, 2007: Seung-Hui Cho, 23, kills 32 people and himself on the Virginia Tech campus in Blacksburg, Virginia.
April 26, 2002: Robert Steinhaeuser, 19, who had been expelled from school in Erfurt, Germany, kills 13 teachers, two former classmates and policeman, before committing suicide.
April 20, 1999: Students Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, opened fire at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, killing 12 classmates and a teacher and wounding 26 others before killing themselves in the school’s library.
April 28, 1996: Martin Bryant, 29, bursts into cafeteria in seaside resort of Port Arthur in Tasmania, Australia, shooting 20 people to death. Driving away, he kills 15 others. He was captured and imprisoned.
March 13, 1996: Thomas Hamilton, 43, kills 16 kindergarten children and their teacher in elementary school in Dunblane, Scotland, and then kills himself.
October 16, 1991: A deadly shooting rampage took place in Killeen, Texas, as George Hennard opened fire at a Luby’s Cafeteria, killing 23 people before taking his own life. 20 others were wounded in the attack.
June 18, 1990: James Edward Pough shoots people at random in a General Motors Acceptance Corp. office in Jacksonville, Florida, killing 10 and wounding four, before killing himself.
December 6, 1989: Marc Lepine, 25, bursts into Montreal’s Ecole Polytechnique college, shooting at women he encounters, killing nine and then himself.
August 19, 1987: Michael Ryan, 27, kills 16 people in small market town of Hungerford, England, and then shoots himself dead after being cornered by police.
August 20, 1986: Pat Sherrill, 44, a postal worker who was about to be fired, shoots 14 people at a post office in Edmond, Oklahoma. He then kills himself.
July 18, 1984: James Oliver Huberty, an out-of-work security guard, kills 21 people in a McDonald’s restaurant in San Ysidro, California. A police sharpshooter kills Huberty.
July 12, 1976: Edward Charles Allaway, a custodian in the library of California State University, Fullerton, fatally shot seven fellow employees and wounded two others.
Source: AP (via Al Jazeera)
16 Dec 2012, 15:18 pm
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avacado
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16 Dec 2012, 15:39 pm
Lets go.
15,000.
16 Dec 2012, 16:27 pm
Shame HG
No-one read your dribble and no-one took your bait
Foeitog
16 Dec 2012, 16:29 pm
Be honest now
Did ANYONE trawl through those long winded anti cape town twaddle
16 Dec 2012, 16:44 pm
@Angostura-14226:
thanks for that. it must concern at least some people in america when considering that out of those 24 cases 15 have taken place in america. clearly there are problems on many levels and for many reasons in american society.
anyway, this got me thinking and i started looking for a similar record or history, if it existed, of such massacres/killing sprees in south africa.
sadly i have found more than makes one comfortable, and i would guess there’s probably more which i have not found:
January 20, 2003: Cape Town was stunned when nine male escorts, including the owner of the Sizzlers *** massage parlour, had their throats slit before being shot.
On Thursday 11 March, 2004 in the city’s High Court, waiter Adam Woest, 27, and taxi driver Trevor Theys, 44, were convicted of nine counts of premeditated murder.
9 February 2002: Bulelani Vukwana was a South African spree killer who, after a quarrel with his girlfriend, shot to death 11 people and injured a further 6 in Mdantsane township, near East London, before committing suicide.
3 April 2006 :A South African detective went on the rampage this week, killing eight people including four colleagues and an infant before being shot dead by police yesterday.
Superintendent Chippa Mateane, 42, shot three women and a two-year-old boy on Monday night, then opened fire at Kagiso police station in Krugersdorp, a town west of Johannesburg.
January 21, 1992: OHANNESBURG, SOUTH AFRICA — A man with an assault rifle fatally shot his father, then rampaged through a quiet rural town, leaving a total of nine people dead and 19 wounded, police and witnesses said. A domestic dispute apparently set off the white gunman, who also torched his father’s farmhouse before launching his random shooting spree at a shopping mall in the southeastern town of Ladysmith. The Star newspaper of Johannesburg identified the gunman as 30-year-old Callie Delport, and he was described as having a history of mental illness by the South African Press Association. Police Minister Hernus Kriel said the shooting was not a political attack. He noted that the victims included whites, blacks and people of Asian descent.
25 November 1931: Cornelius Johannes Petrus van Heerden, a young man of 22, shot 11 people in and around Bethlehem, before taking his own life. Five of his victims were mortally wounded and the other six were seriously injured. Among the dead was the highly respected Anglo Boer War veteran, Commandant Michael Prinsloo, who at the time of his death was planting trees for the Bethlehem Municipality. The Town Council adamantly refused to permit the murderer to be buried in the same cemetery as Prinsloo, so van Heerden’s parents obtained permission from the railway authorities to bury their son alongside the Bethlehem – Reitz railway track. As was the custom in those years, the murderer was buried in a grave which fronts west.
6 May 1927: Stephanus Andries Johannes Swart (1890 – 6 May 1927) was a South African farmer and spree killer who killed at least 8 people and wounded 3 others in Charlestown, South Africa, before committing suicide.
16 Dec 2012, 16:54 pm
So its not just me… blogosphere afire about CapeCuntie racists and supremacists…
Blog quote: Anybody who reiterated with harsh defensive words are definitely
thoroughbred Capetonians. To these elite
I would just like to say: When I first arrived in Cape Town I wanted to be like
you, after some time I would have been happy just to be liked by you, but now I
wish I could like you. Don’t keep the clique too tight Cape Town, genetics can
be a bugger.
16 Dec 2012, 16:55 pm
Another blog quote: All my friends in Cape Town are not from ‘Cape Town’ (i.e. anglophone Southern suburbers). Do yourself a huge favour: learn isiXhosa and go hang out in Gugs. The most awesome and down to earth people you’ll ever meet. And you can skinner with the house-help next time you go to Rondebosch and drink sauvignon whatever. Nothing irritates white Capetonians more than gossip they can’t understand.
16 Dec 2012, 16:56 pm
hey bakks….
and one barend strydom…
16 Dec 2012, 16:57 pm
Another blog quote:
I’m a Joburg girl and recently went to Cpt for a work function. I spent the evening talking to a fellow Joburger, drinking way too much of their “superior wine at better prices” (“Because wine doesn’t travel well, you know.”), defending my lack of common sense (“Johannesburg? But why don’t you move to Cape Town?”) and trying really hard to look more tanned (“Ah, yes, I can see you’re not from here. We get out more, you know, living in such a beautiful place.”).
One thing that still puzzles me though: why do so many Capetonian guys wear pastel shorts and T-shirts that are two sizes too small for them?
16 Dec 2012, 17:00 pm
Another:
I work with a number highly educated smart well paid young black professionals, mostly originally from London and outside South Africa. All of them have been in CT 2-3 yrs and all live in the CBD\Camps Bay. They love Cape Town for the lifestyle but don’t feel welcome. They end up going the same bar week in and week out, as it is the only place where they feel comfortable and are not the only black face in the bar. CT city’s bars\clubs\restaurants are the least cosmopolitan of SA’s three biggest cities. Any young black professional if given the choice would choose JHB over CT
16 Dec 2012, 17:02 pm
And another:
I lived their for thirteen miserable lonely years and believe me Capetonians suck. I paid my taxes the same as anyone else but 5 years came and went and I was still not married to the mountain. The only friends I ever made were people from other SA cities and towns, honestly the lonliest days of my life. Capetonians are arrogant and judgmental. I could never understand though how a community could be so different from the rest of South Africa.
16 Dec 2012, 17:05 pm
@Heavens Game-14237:
The cape people are not liberal but elitist snobs.
16 Dec 2012, 17:08 pm
Interesting blog quote… Echoes here on Keo all the time…
Dude, the fact that you assert that Cape Town’s streets are relatively safe displays either a mind-boggling ignorance or a racist exclusion of the Cape Flats as genuine parts of Cape Town. The streets here are frightening places for those who live in Lavender Hill, Manenburg, Hanover Park…. Part of the racism of white Capetonians is the very fact that they, as a group, exclude non-white Cape Town from their concept of Cape Town, just as you have.
16 Dec 2012, 17:09 pm
Another very interesting one…
I must say though, I’m rather surprised that you’ve never heard Cape Town described as racist. It’s a cliche often bandied about. I’ve even interviewed CEOs that have told me they find it difficult to entice qualified black staff to CT because of the perception that the city is racist. Personally I think the view is flawed, which is the reason for my article. My personal opinion is that white Capetonians are just snobbish in general. I am by no means alone in this assessment. Why don’t you ask some of your non-Capetonian friends what they think and get back to me (assuming you have non-Capetonian friends).
16 Dec 2012, 17:12 pm
@Fern-14238: Huzzit Chuntie… I beg to differ… A snob implies not only do they think they are superior, it implies that you may think so too… So I prefer the word kn.ob… cuntie… etc
16 Dec 2012, 17:13 pm
@Heavens Game-14241:
feckin bunch of brokeback pillowbiting p ricks
16 Dec 2012, 17:16 pm
@Heavens Game-14241:
no wonder they are attracted to things keewee like the aig islanders and the crusaders
16 Dec 2012, 17:18 pm
From City Press…
three diners were grabbed by security guards just after finishing a leisurely dinner and led to an hour-long interrogation in a back room at the V&A Waterfront – all because a waiter had said he had seen “three short black people robbing the mall” the week before.
Now nothing could be more generic than such a description and you have to wonder how these security guards had sufficient information to accost those three patrons.
But this incident points to all the problems that are created by racial profiling, and it seems that Cape Town takes the lead in the practice of this most discriminatory of practices.
While these two incidents involve force and a degree of violence, the most pervasive forms of racism that are linked to Cape Town are often well disguised, but still no less humiliating.
Those unfamiliar with racial profiling probably imagine that it is used primarily as a tool to combat crime, but it is, in fact, used as a random tool
of discrimination.
Using racial profiling as a tool, someone can decide as you enter their shop whether you are more likely to buy something or whether you are more likely to steal something.
A friend from Bekkersdal on Joburg’s West Rand, who took a job as a manager of a hotel in the Cape Town CBD, says that when she goes to the boutiques at the V&A Waterfront, she is often ignored by white staff.
“I cannot understand why they think it’s okay to be so polite, even fawning, towards white customers and yet be so cold to me when I’ve come to spend the same money,” she says.
She adds that even a simple visit to the supermarket can become a traumatic event as the staff seem to have one script for white customers, which emphasises warmth, and another for black customers, which involves being curt and even rude.
16 Dec 2012, 17:19 pm
@Fern-14243:
We carry on like this we might just be accused of having “chips on our shoulder”…
16 Dec 2012, 17:21 pm
Continued from the article…
An American friend who settled in Cape Town after emigrating to South Africa says that when he goes out to night clubs or restaurants in the city, he is often surprised by the stealth used by those who want to bar blacks from entering.
“Their favourite line is to say the place is full. But when I come, suddenly a place is available.
“So they won’t ever directly say that they don’t want a black person as a patron, but they have this practice of claiming the place is full when it is not.”
Such practices of racial discrimination are in bad taste and, given South Africa’s sordid history of racial discrimination and apartheid, you would expect that those who speak on behalf of Cape Town would spend more of their time rooting out these hateful practices rather than defending them.
But it seems that their energies are solely focused on ganging up against those who dare express their anger and disappointment that racism is still alive and well at so many of the city’s establishments.
Sounds just like the Keo Kaap Superiority we read day by day…
16 Dec 2012, 17:23 pm
@Heavens Game-14245:
ja no,they keep on alking about their culture and style.
feckwits,the lot of them.
16 Dec 2012, 17:29 pm
@Fern-14247: It is funny though… It seems we are not alone in this…
I don’t have a problem when having to go down and work there – twice this year… Maybe its because the accent is “posher” or more “engels” than the Kapies and maybe its because I am too damn competent
It could also be because I am white…
16 Dec 2012, 17:32 pm
Yes Fern keep on with the generalisations if it suits you – it seems that you enjoy doing it!!
16 Dec 2012, 17:44 pm
@ufo-14234:
yes thanks, will add to the, sadly, increasing list.
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