Hore set for hefty ban
26 Nov 2012
New Zealand hooker Andrew Hore has been cited for an off-the-ball incident which subsequently hospitalised Wales lock Bradley Davies.
Hore hit Davies off the ball during the initial stages of last Saturday’s Test in Cardiff. The incident was missed by matchday officials, but Hore has now been cited and looks likely to receive a lengthy suspension.
The time and date of the hearing, before the IRB’s appointed independent judicial officer, have yet to be fixed.
All Blacks coach Steve Hansen expects the hooker to be sidelined for some time. Hansen did not say as much, but has already called for a replacement ahead of the coming Test against England.
Dane Coles is expected to start at Twickenham.
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3 Jan 2013, 12:40 pm
You fellas talking ‘cologne’? And not a Stormers supporting male in sight? Fuckmecharlie. I think the world did end on the 21st, and I’m stuck in some sort of parralel universeshit?
3 Jan 2013, 12:41 pm
@Dawn-20699:
grown men should not talk about cologne to one another, that’s half our problem right there…
no thanks on the cologne suggestion (never gonna happen), i do use deodorant though but am still working through my Y2K stock
do you still get old spice? that’s a good one.
3 Jan 2013, 12:43 pm
@Transformation-20700:
“stunning summer fragrance”..
3 Jan 2013, 12:44 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-20701:
3 Jan 2013, 12:50 pm
I use Angostura Bitters … internally & externally … all year round
I smell like a real bitterbek, or is it a bittereinder?
3 Jan 2013, 12:51 pm
@playtheball-20682: A late friend of mine had a saying about Africa’s “policy/motto”:
“We breed, you feed”
I never used to agree with him.
But you know another thing, nobody can change the past because what’s happened has happened…but you sure can shape the future.
And two wrongs don’t make a right.
I could also go on & on but am also worried about the short post police lurhking around here.
3 Jan 2013, 12:51 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-20701:
What do you use?
3 Jan 2013, 12:52 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-20706: lurhking = lurking
3 Jan 2013, 12:53 pm
@Angostura-20705:
& using Angostura Bitters externally you don’t need any sunbed treatments
stru
3 Jan 2013, 12:58 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-20701: why am getting the feeling that u think cologne is a stormers “poefta” domain?
3 Jan 2013, 13:00 pm
@Dawn-20707: Thierry Mugler… Angel and a few of it’s variants
Also quite like J’adore. And splatter CK every now and again as well.
3 Jan 2013, 13:03 pm
@Transformation-20710:
I’m just a little confused
After hearing so much about the Stormer supporting mofos, I stumble into a cologne party being hosted by a guppie, a bull and a king. Not a Stormersupportingmofo in sight.
3 Jan 2013, 13:03 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-20711: viktor & rolf (gold) is devine too for ladies
3 Jan 2013, 13:05 pm
You are wrong Brumbiesboy.You were weak and a coward back in the eighties.What did you say?I continued to support apartheid sports because there was nothing else to support.Well,I’ve got news for you.People like Andre Odendaal didn’t followed the Brumbiesboy philosophy . By Mike Atherton12:01AM GMT 02 Jan 2005
Cricket administrators can be a sorry bunch: one-dimensional, myopic, egotistical and power-crazy. Andre Odendaal, the chief executive of the Western Province/Boland franchise, is an exception – a man with a breadth of experience and a vision for the future. He has been, at various times, an academic, historian, author, a first-class cricketer, political activist and was in charge of Robben Island for four years – in its guise as a museum rather than a prison. As always, it is humbling to be in the presence of someone, one senses, whose life choices have been a tangible difference.
We meet in his office at the beautiful Newlands ground, where he is currently grappling with a large debt (Western Province recently bought the ground) and a struggling team, while trying to maximise the audience and revenue for Cape Town’s New Year Test match. His accent is strong, but the tone is mild and reserved and his story is a compelling one.
“I come from a typical white, National Party-supporting South African family. My Dad came from an Afrikaner background. My Mum was a Catholic and English-speaking so I ended up going to Queen’s College, where Tony Greig went and where Sussex professionals came every year. I was the first generation to go to university.”
Was education the key to opening your eyes to the situation around you? “Personal experiences, I think. My family always taught me right and wrong, but it was within the South African context and that [laughs] somehow or other didn’t apply universally. I was a great reader of newspapers and interested in current affairs and crazy about sport, like most young white South Africans. That combination has been like a thread running throughout my life. I wrote a cricket book at the age of 20 and it was through that book that I started to meet black people, socially, for the first time. I discovered other cricketers operating in a parallel universe. Once I had sat around the table with these people, had a meal with them and gone to their hotel rooms after a cricket match, I couldn’t retreat back into the laager mentally. So it was that practical experience at the time of apartheid which was very important in making me realise where things had to go. We were so cut off from each other at the height of apartheid that there was a total ignorance of what happened across the railway line.”
Odendaal was playing first-class cricket by this stage, and became the only white first-class player to break ranks with the official South African Cricket Union and join the non-racial South African Cricket Board. “Look, it happened a long time ago and it’s not something that I like to [pauses] brag about, if you like. But, in the mid-1980s we were in a state of virtual civil war in South Africa. Attitudes were tremendously polarised and I just felt that I couldn’t sit in the middle any more. I needed to say that this is where I felt most comfortable.
”Rather than being a sacrifice, in a way it opened up a whole new world to me. In a sense those people shaped what was to come and I was given a privileged space in their world.” What was the reaction, from both sides? ”Things were very heavy. I wasn’t actively ostracised, but we lived in two worlds: I taught at the University of Western Cape and that world, as well, was part of the cricketing world of which I was a part. It was like two South Africas, two Cape Towns that I lived in. What is wonderful about my job now is that I can build bridges and make connections with people that I’ve always been friends with and also help them to facilitate their entry into this new era.”
Clearly, one of Odendaal’s roles as an administrator is to strengthen cricket within the black community and the townships of the Western Cape. In an interview in The Telegraph before this series, Clive Rice suggested that cricket had completely failed to take root within the black population, that the quota system was forcing young white cricketers to leave and that they were suffering from ”apartheid in reverse”. One might point out the obvious: whites can vote, have unrestricted travel and do not, by and large, live in squalor, but what does Odendaal think of his comments?
”It is ridiculous. Clive Rice was a great cricketer, but he is, in my opinion, completely blind. Every time there is a slump, the old things come up. We’ve had several phases since 1990: firstly, in order to help bring about peaceful political change, the African National Congress said: ‘Let us give whites their rugby and cricket in international competition again.’ But unity had to be deepened; it couldn’t be the old system with a few tokens on the margins. By 1997-98 the glass ceilings in cricket had become apparent. That was the time we were going into our second democratic election, when Thabo Mbeki succeeded Nelson Mandela. The key issue then was real change: realising that nation-building and national unity would be empty without delivering those changes and that is where the transformation charter in sport came in.
”Rice’s latest comments are just a continuation of the scaremongering that has gone on in the past. During the last decade there has often been a ‘bully beef and baked beans’ mentality – let’s stock the shelves at home because this place is going to collapse. Clive still belongs to that generation. Rather than looking at the necessity of change for the future health of the game and managing the change so that we can all move forward together, he can’t get beyond the mentality that ‘they’ are taking over the game. When Clive says that ‘colour doesn’t matter to me, I only see a cricketer’, the point is that coloured cricketers haven’t been noticed in the past for culturally fixed reasons, and it was those old gatekeepers that actually kept them out.
”It’s sad, because his comments are those of an old player who is on the margins but who still wants to be in the limelight. He has so much to offer if only he could develop a positive attitude to the change. The other problem is that he has an alarming degree of ignorance about what is really happening here. The top scorer in the South African Schools’ XI last week was an African batsman. In the Western Cape we have 25,000 children playing cricket, up from 11,000 at unity. There is massive energy going into a highly-organised development programme, from which we picked 11 regional teams this year. We still have our great cricket schools like Bishops and Wynberg. I think we have the most organised cricket structure in the world here in Western Province – there are 732 club sides in this province alone.
”I have no doubt that the next generation will flourish. It is difficult at the moment and the management of the change must be very sophisticated. Sometimes we fall short in that regard. This year, on two or three occasions, seven out of my team were black: the newspapers didn’t comment on it and I only got one e-mail about it. The point is that overall we are going in the right direction and we are going in the only direction that we can go.”
3 Jan 2013, 13:05 pm
lol
“There’s no point in looking like Tarzan & bowling like Jane”
Dale Steyn
3 Jan 2013, 13:07 pm
Why is there no new articles on Keo? How about something on Mitchell resigning at Sale Sharks after just 3 months?
3 Jan 2013, 13:09 pm
@Angostura-20715:
3 Jan 2013, 13:12 pm
@Angostura-20715: Also laughed out loud when I heard that in the ‘studio’ now. Funny…I immediately thought of Pierre Spies. “There’s no point looking like Tarzan and tackling like Jane”
@Transformation-20713: Thank you Transie – will investigate. Must be honest, I don’t use perfume every day. Nothing worse than working out, sweating and gasping for breath and all you get is that cloying sweet scent. Yugh.
@wnbb-20714: A fine fella.
3 Jan 2013, 13:14 pm
@wnbb-20714: Clive Rice = knobend. Crusted, dirty knobend.
3 Jan 2013, 13:17 pm
@wnbb-20714: Once again you are wrong pseudo-Irishman, like I said before the only cowards around were those “freedom fighters” who blew up and attacked innocent civilians (their own kind included) who had nothing whatsoever to do with the situation at hand.
And seeing as you like cutting-and-pasting irrelevant propoganda so much I will quote something to you later or tomorrow in which you can read what a former Springbok hero says about your despicable quota system.
Until then I have nothing further to say to you.
3 Jan 2013, 13:23 pm
@wnbb-20714:
Yawn!
Is Odendal differentiating between black and coloured communities?
Because if we are talking about the coloured community in Cape Town then he might be right, but if we are talking about black communities in say, Gauteng, I think Clive Rice might be right.
3 Jan 2013, 13:26 pm
“nothing further to say”
3 Jan 2013, 13:30 pm
@TooMuchRugby-20721: Clive Rice (IMHO) tried far too long to ‘cling’ to some sort of imagined entitlement to the game. I do recall him making not just one, but a few statements in this regard.
Never liked the man. A totaldoos, but that’s just my opinion of course (no doubt heavily influenced by my father ub earlier years). I know Clive had a huge fanbase, and that he posed ‘nude’ as well (sparemefromeverhavingtoseethat)
3 Jan 2013, 13:31 pm
Someone gimme the short version please
3 Jan 2013, 13:32 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-20723:
3 Jan 2013, 13:32 pm
We have declared……Let get this party started
PS: Does anyone else on the planet, apart from Skop and Chris Martin own one of these white Bjorn Borg 80′s headbands?
3 Jan 2013, 13:32 pm
@TooMuchRugby-20721: what about black communities in, say the Eastern Cape, is Rice “right” about them too?
3 Jan 2013, 13:34 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-20723:
I’m sure you can google the picture if you tried. Don’t worry he had a cricket bat covering up his dangly bits!
But seriously though, do you guys really think cricket has caught on in black communities (not including Cape town)?
3 Jan 2013, 13:35 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-20718: bwahahaaa “There’s no point looking like Tarzan and tackling like Jane”
http://www.google.co.za/imgres?um=1&hl=en&tbo=d&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=isch&tbnid=M-FkGBahZZYlzM:&imgrefurl=http://atothejay.wordpress.com/page/15/&docid=99Bbbq_DCmoIFM&imgurl=http://atothejay.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/female_man_bodybuilder.jpg&w=507&h=640&ei=TWvlUPzRDo-EhQf6vIDYBA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=1125&vpy=103&dur=4979&hovh=252&hovw=200&tx=145&ty=173&sig=100703579025801494877&page=1&tbnh=150&tbnw=121&start=0&ndsp=27&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0,i:108
3 Jan 2013, 13:43 pm
@TooMuchRugby-20728: but seriously though, are you for real?
http://www.bordercricket.co.za/amateur-cricket/rural-cricket
3 Jan 2013, 13:43 pm
@Transformation-20727: You tell me, am I “correct”? I’ve got no idea – haven’t played cricket in the Eastern Cape for a long time?
3 Jan 2013, 13:48 pm
@TooMuchRugby-20728: In terms of this statement by the knobend Rice, “Clive Rice suggested that cricket had completely failed to take root within the black population” – absolutely (as he alleges a total failure).
Cricket obviously hasn’t made the strides most were hoping for a decade back, but there is certainly a hunger for the game, from what I can gather? I’m sure there are others who know more than I, but from my limited observations, the desire for the game is there. It is in the ‘details’ that things go wrong. Coaching, facilities etc.
If I’m wrong, someone will correct me shortly I’m sure. However, where I know I am correct 100%: Clive Rice is a cocktonsil.
0/1. Yeefuckinghah
3 Jan 2013, 13:48 pm
From the Sunday Times:But in the euphoria of our democracy, one great irritation still exists: a grudging acceptance by a, hopefully small, minority that white sports people have had to put up with lower standards in the interests of diversity and transformation.
Bah and humbug! It is such a specious argument that it should always be given short shrift.
Those old apartheid holdouts, who never complained when quota selections applied to whites-only rugby and cricket teams, often use history to make their case. Now much of that history is being debunked.
Black cricket has a history as rich as that of the white players and it is revealed in the form of The Blue Book, a reconstruction of cricket in the Western Province – birthplace of the game in South Africa.
The book is unique in that, for the first time, it consolidates WP cricket statistics – and cricket is nothing without its stats – into a single volume. So a century by Brenda Fassie’s half-brother Solomon – the first by a Langa batsman in the [once whites-only] WP Cricket Union leagues – can be contrasted with that of white cricketers with whom we might be more familiar.
Or that HH Zibi gets an honourable mention as one of the founding spirits of Langa CC at a time when his grandson Thami Tsolekile has become heir apparent to the great Mark Boucher in the South African test team.
It is clear that much painstaking research has gone into this book. Krish Reddy, whose knowledge of cricket in the time of apartheid is unrivalled, and Andrew Samson, the world-renowned cricket statistician, have lent their weight to this Homeric work. Robin Isherwood, in the same league as Samson, brought his eye for detail to the manuscript to the extent that a second-ball duck by a particularly notorious England batsman could be corrected to a first-ball nought.
But a work of such significance could never have succeeded without Andre Odendaal, the historian, brilliantly putting the facts and figures into the context of South Africa’s tortured sporting history – and all in his usual elegant English prose, nogal.
The Blue Book will hopefully provide inspiration to other researchers because, as the authors point out, the story is still incomplete- notwithstanding that it has introduced us to more than 500 Western Province players and 250 matches that had, until now, been unacknowledged.
3 Jan 2013, 13:50 pm
@Transformation-20730:
Thanks for clearing that up. Good to see that. I would however advise you to remove the chips dangling from your shoulder now and stop jumping to conclusions. I am a big supporter of transformation in sport and was asking an question because i honestly don’t know, having lost touch with club cricket over the years.
I still stand by my statement that Andre Odendaal was talking about clubs in Cape Town in this instance and was generalising the situation in Cape Town with the rest of the country in his statement.
By chance he was right where areas like border are concerned.
3 Jan 2013, 13:53 pm
@TooMuchRugby-20721: That is Prof Andre Odendaal for you…..Andre for the rest of us.Ok.
3 Jan 2013, 13:58 pm
@wnbb-20733:
Once again – WP cricket clubs
And Tsami Tsolikele just ain’t the best WC we have.
3 Jan 2013, 13:58 pm
http://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/Oz-SL-remember-Tony-Greig-20130103
Legend.
3 Jan 2013, 14:00 pm
@wnbb-20735: Sy kak stink ook.
3 Jan 2013, 14:00 pm
Crusaders
4/1
Chiefs
11/2
Stormers
8/1
Sharks
8/1
Highlanders
12/1
Queensland Reds
12/1
Brumbies
12/1
Hurricanes
14/1
Blues
16/1
Bulls
16/1
Waratahs
28/1
Rebels
66/1
Cheetahs
100/1
Force
200/1
Southern Kings
500/1
3 Jan 2013, 14:03 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-20739:
Go Kings!
3 Jan 2013, 14:04 pm
@Transformation-20730:
I see mention is made of Mfuneko Ngam in that link that you supplied.
What a pity about Chew’s brittle bone structure – he started his 1st Class & Test career with a bang & had the potential to be another Makhaya Ntini or perhaps even better…
3 Jan 2013, 14:08 pm
@TooMuchRugby-20736: Read ‘Story of an African Game by Andre Odendaal.He covers black cricket in the Eastern Cape extensively.You might be surprised to read that black missionary schools in the EC played the game in the 1850′s long before the current so-called cricket schools of Johannesburg .
3 Jan 2013, 14:10 pm
@TooMuchRugby-20728:
Ja the Windies love their cricket
3 Jan 2013, 14:13 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-20739:
there’s money to be made.
not on the crusaders winning the title though, but would bet on them to win a lotof their games.
3 Jan 2013, 14:13 pm
Laugh of the day No 2.
Some twit tweeted that Simon Doull is being too ‘harsh’ on his countrymen.
So Doully says, “what? It’s hard to talk up 45 runs”.
3 Jan 2013, 14:16 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-20744: The Highlanders are worth a flutter I reckon. They have recruited wisely….very wisely. And they now have the depth to take it a step further.
How sad for the once proud Waratahs……28/1
Blues to surprise friend and foe alike – watch.
3 Jan 2013, 14:18 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-20739: Very generous odds for the Bulls?
3 Jan 2013, 14:27 pm
@wnbb-20747: I think it’s more a ‘kindness’ based on past success awarding them those odds, than what it is ‘current reality’
3 Jan 2013, 14:32 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-20746:
ok, i dont see the highlanders winning it but i do hear you.
same for the blues who i expect will put in a decent showing with Henry there but two things count against them; 1.the competition’s going to be too healthy between the nz teams in their conference and; 2. the extra free points on offer in the sa conference will effectively seal the deal for no more than two nz teams making into the top 6 this season imo.
one as the conference winner and the other might sneak a 4 to 6 placement if lucky. 3 sa teams in the playoffs guaranteed plus 1 kiwi & 1 ozzie leaves it for the anzacs to fight out the last spot. mind you the cheetahs could also come into the mix with the guaranteed 10 pointers.
3 Jan 2013, 14:35 pm
@wnbb-20742: I think i will. It sounds like a good read.
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