Hore set for hefty ban
26 Nov 2012
New Zealand hooker Andrew Hore has been cited for an off-the-ball incident which subsequently hospitalised Wales lock Bradley Davies.
Hore hit Davies off the ball during the initial stages of last Saturday’s Test in Cardiff. The incident was missed by matchday officials, but Hore has now been cited and looks likely to receive a lengthy suspension.
The time and date of the hearing, before the IRB’s appointed independent judicial officer, have yet to be fixed.
All Blacks coach Steve Hansen expects the hooker to be sidelined for some time. Hansen did not say as much, but has already called for a replacement ahead of the coming Test against England.
Dane Coles is expected to start at Twickenham.
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13 Jan 2013, 19:47 pm
@ufo-23532:
i’m gonna let this slide too, Ufo
but i’m watching you…
13 Jan 2013, 19:49 pm
@nama1-23548:
13 Jan 2013, 19:49 pm
@gunther-23546:
Koen was just plain kak. Did not the Bulls buy him when we did not want him anymore?
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-23549:
That is a great average compared to the overall average of the Bok team which is about 64%.
13 Jan 2013, 19:55 pm
@nama1-23553:
yes, Ricky doesn’t get the praise he deserves imo.
against NZ and Oz its:
5 wins – 6 losses
6 wins – 4 losses
which also isn’t too bad compared to other boks.
13 Jan 2013, 19:58 pm
@nama1-23548: That is easy.
13 Jan 2013, 19:58 pm
it’s a free world bakks…
if you’ve got nothing better to do… feel free…
13 Jan 2013, 20:05 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-23554:
That’s 11/21 against our two greatest rivals.
That sure is a great record.
13 Jan 2013, 20:10 pm
to hit a ball 200 yards and land it within 10ft of the target takes exceptional skill.
a lot more skill than the best rugby, soccer, cricket or gridiron players can ever hope for.
13 Jan 2013, 20:12 pm
ivan lendl was quoted as saying that playing top golf is a lot harder than winning wimbledon.
that pretty much spells it out.
13 Jan 2013, 20:15 pm
@ufo-23556:
13 Jan 2013, 20:17 pm
‘Since 1983 Western Province has been sponsored by Adidas, in 2013 this will mark the 20th Anniversary of the sponsorship. In 1983 Province launched their centenary jersey of which 50 only ever came in to existence, but this is not the rarest province top, the rarest being a complete maroon kit of which only 15 were ever made, this team played under the WP Presidents XV. The maroon jersey along with the centenary jersey as well as the original Stormers orange tops are the three most sought after Province and or Stormers jerseys’
I can’t remember the maroon top.Probably was too busy fighting Afrikaners like Charles aka Mr Prime Evil.
.
13 Jan 2013, 20:27 pm
Charo, Lendl never won Wimbledon! But I agree golf requires a lot of talent and hard work
1983 to 2013: last I checked was 30 years !
13 Jan 2013, 20:30 pm
@CharlesM-23562: absolutely correct.Got that from wiki.Just shows.
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13 Jan 2013, 20:48 pm
@CharlesM-23562:
13 Jan 2013, 21:08 pm
In my opinion Hendrik Gerber was a great player and reminded me of a slightly smaller Gert Smal.
13 Jan 2013, 21:18 pm
@CharlesM-23562:
true charles, but lendl was a 7 h/c when he was at his prime in tennis and later tried to make it in pro golf and never got close to the standards of the top players.
ergo, tennis is easier than golf?
13 Jan 2013, 21:33 pm
Cape Town – Former Springbok lock Bakkies Botha says young lock Eben Etzebeth’s career should be carefully managed in order to get the best out of him.
Etzebeth, 21, started 13 of the Stormers’ 17 games last year and 11 of the 12 Tests the Boks played. He also represented Western Province at the tail-end of last year’s Currie Cup competition, which they won after beating the Sharks 25-18 in the final in Durban.
Etzebeth’s 27 matches in 2012 is still below the maximum allowed number of 32 – as dictated by an agreement between the South African Rugby Players Association (SARPA) and the provincial unions.
However, SARPA CEO Piet Heymans says that rule needs to be overlooked as players are playing way too much rugby.
“That figure was stipulated years ago and clearly needs to be reviewed. If you take into consideration the intensity of modern day rugby and the limited amount of rest periods allowed for top players, then clearly 32 is too much,” Heymans said. (news24)
Tim Noakes says players should not play more than 1 600 minutes (20 matches) and SARPA have an agreement for 32 matches. What would an amicable solution be to this problem? 26 matches?
Just a question: If today’s players are fitter and stronger than 10 years ago, why is 32 games regarded as too much now?
13 Jan 2013, 21:52 pm
Charo, IMO if Lendl had perhaps spent more time from an early age at golf, he could have done better – but we’ll never know I guess!
Anyhow mobile making it very difficult – I’m out !
13 Jan 2013, 22:55 pm
Bakkies Botha should stfu!He is nothing but a rugby thug with a peanut as a brain.Another farking idiot that credited Lucifer for his countless indescretions on a rugby field.Bakkies should stay out of the advice business .He would tearfully confess his sins to God,but the very next match he would embrace Lucifer again.What a farking thug!
14 Jan 2013, 03:09 am
@wnbb-23569:
Those are fighting words to our little Bakkies poster who is in love.
We have all heard how Bakkies plays tough but never illegal and always fair.
Just you wait …
14 Jan 2013, 03:40 am
@wnbb-23569:
Maybe you should STFU, that would be a much better idea!
14 Jan 2013, 03:41 am
Nothing wrong with Bakkies. Steps over the line every now and then, but who doe’snt…….
14 Jan 2013, 06:49 am
@wnbb-23569:
@Hurricane-23570:
you two are pathetic.
14 Jan 2013, 07:26 am
hahaha
for what it’s worth here’s the low down on kiwis (and no Hurri, i’m not out to get you hehe):
Kiwi adults admit lying, cheating and stealing
Kiwi adults readily admit to lying, cheating and stealing, a new study shows, raising questions about the type of example they set for the country’s youth.
A Colmar Brunton survey has revealed that 81 per cent of adults admitted cheating of some kind – including 36 per cent cheating in their relationship and 22 per cent at work.
Spencer Willis, leader of the study, suggests it’s no wonder our young people are following suit, with comparative figures showing only 8 per cent of young people have never cheated.
Not only are adults cheating on their partners, but they are lying to them too.
“Twenty-four per cent of adults surveyed last December told a lie to their partner; with almost half admitting they’d done so within the past month, and almost three-quarters feeling guilty about it despite the large majority (84 per cent) saying it was justified,” says Mr Willis.
Lying to avoid hurting someone’s feelings was the most excusable lie, with only 7 per cent of people saying this was never okay.
for the rest:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10859002
14 Jan 2013, 07:28 am
now i’m not saying there’s a link, but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to connect the dots…
14 Jan 2013, 07:48 am
very respectable and humbled u-turn by chris rattue. i though his previous article criticising Taylor was way off the mark and clueless:
Reinstate Taylor as skipper
Pair must learn to work together, and if that can’t be achieved then coach Hesson is the man who should go.
Doing a u-turn. Eating humble pie. Backtracking.
Call it what you like, and calling Mike Hesson.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, Mike, involves returning Ross Taylor to the test captaincy for the three-test series here against England as New Zealand cricket tries to haul itself out of a catastrophe.
On the subject of national coach Hesson, has there ever been a bigger, single selection-type botch-up in New Zealand sport? His blading of Taylor as captain rocked the boat on the eve of the toughest tour in world cricket, and a sinking ship has been sent plummeting to the bottom by South Africa.
Bailing out on his team and the fans hardly puts Taylor in a good light, either. Taylor was a turkey for refusing to tour South Africa, a decision which doomed Brendon McCullum’s mission – but let’s call it Taylor’s Mulligan and get on with what needs to be done.
Taylor is our only world-class test player, and that makes him the natural leader however unnatural he may appear in the job. McCullum is hardly putting a foot right during the two-test series. There’s been a lack of command on the field and his decision to bat first in the first test came unstuck like a jellyfish trying to cling to a rocket.
Taylor concedes he needs to work on some captaincy areas and he should get the chance. Unlike McCullum – with two pivotal first-innings test failures on this tour – Taylor’s batting improved with the leadership to the point he almost single-handedly won the test against Sri Lanka while being unseated and insulted by Hesson.
More than anything, though, the sulking Taylor’s unfortunate strike action has at least shown how much the leadership means to him.
Restoring Taylor to the top job will be just the fillip to bring out the best in our best player now that he has deigned to make his services available again, lucky old us. This isn’t a moral issue but a practical one, of getting the best out of our meagre cricketing resources. It is also the strategy Hesson claims he tried to hatch in the Sri Lankan hotel meeting with Taylor, although many of us believe he wanted to sack Taylor from all three captaincy positions.
McCullum has had little to work with and a lot to work against in South Africa, but he’s made a pig’s ear of the job. His foray into test captaincy could not have gone any worse.
for the rest:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10858908
14 Jan 2013, 07:49 am
also from Rattue:
Gloating-free commentary
The cricket commentaries from South Africa, with our own Simon Doull supplementing locals such as Mike Haysman and Kepler Wessels, are excellent. The commentary has been down to earth and informative, raised interesting issues and been refreshingly free of gloating (the sort you get watching Australian sport and the All Blacks) considering how dominant South Africa is.
14 Jan 2013, 07:57 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-23575:
sjoe, boet,
cannot say I’m impressed with the “not rocket science” aspersions …
isn’t that post a bit rich blogged from our shores where even some of our Presidents, Cabinet Ministers, Judges & Sport Administrators (this last mentioned category more relevant to a rugby blog) are a bit suspect … ?
glass houses, of hoe?
14 Jan 2013, 08:05 am
@Angostura-23578:
hi Angostura,
i dont really mean it.
just a light hearted dig and meant without malice.
of course there’s no connection.
14 Jan 2013, 08:35 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-23579:
Who the f is malice?
Sorry, was thinking of Alice.
14 Jan 2013, 08:36 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-23579:
A-OK then – sometimes difficult to judge intent over the ether …
out for now
14 Jan 2013, 08:59 am
@nama1-23567:
It’s a shame actually that Eben couldn’t play a season with Bakkies or Victor.
The exposure would have been great for him and what he could have learnt from them would have been indispensable.
14 Jan 2013, 09:13 am
President Jacob Zuma said businessmen who supported the African National Congress would see their fortunes multiply, according to a report on Saturday.
“We’re not forcing people…you can support and be a supporter, but if you go beyond that and become a member, [and] if you’re a businessman, your business will multiply,” the Sunday Times quoted him as saying.
Zuma was speaking at the ANC’s 101st anniversary gala dinner in Durban on Friday night.
“Everything you touch will multiply. I’ve always said that a wise businessperson will support the ANC…because supporting the ANC means you’re investing very well in your business.”
Is there a more craven **** in world politics?
14 Jan 2013, 09:14 am
@nortierd-23580:
hehe
morning Nortie,
it doesn’t always have to be an ugly discourse of resentment and dislike.
yes i have issues with the kiwis and yes they just have issues period, but it doesn’t mean we cant be civil from time to time.
14 Jan 2013, 09:15 am
@Angostura-23581:
no worries.
cheers.
14 Jan 2013, 09:20 am
@gunther-23583:
somehow i don’t think he grasps the implications of half the **** he says.
#shitmypresidentsays
14 Jan 2013, 09:24 am
@gunther-23583:
Wow!
Not even trying to hide it….
14 Jan 2013, 09:27 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-23584:
More
Stem 100% saam.
You know I like the way NZ play so we will for the most disagree on that subject, but no hard feeling ever, and the same goes for Bulls vs Stormers.
14 Jan 2013, 09:42 am
Rugby sevens attracts worldwide interest. Photo / Photosport
As rugby sevens undergoes worldwide expansion and enters the 2016 Olympic Games, preventive moves are afoot to ensure the sport does not become a target for spot or match-fixing.
Such activities are more usually associated with the likes of cricket, tennis and football but rugby is also a logical fit. Captains, referees, goalkickers, first five-eighths and set-piece initiators like hookers and halfbacks could become targets because of their ability to alter the course of a game through their decision-making – in exchange for receiving bulky brown paper bags in disused parking lots.
The prospect of rugby gaining greater international interest in coming years, particularly through sevens, has prompted the International Rugby Board to bolster its regulations around the practice of “illegal wagering”. The International Rugby Players’ Association has also vowed to expand its education programmes to prevent players being lured into vulnerable positions.
In a wry twist, the next round of talks on the matter are expected to take place in the world gambling capital of Las Vegas from February 8-10 which coincides with the fifth round of the world sevens series.
Major unions like those of New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, France, England and Wales have provided feedback for further discussion on how best to resolve the issue.
The consensus is that sevens is potentially the weakest link in the sport’s chain. Among smaller rugby nations, it is largely played by amateurs or players on comparatively low wages. While the IRB deserves to be commended for its proactive stance, concerns remain over how suspicious circumstances will be policed.
One problem centres on the role of what are termed “connected persons”. The present recommendations are so broad that New Zealand players could come in for scrutiny if family members place TAB bets on games. There is also a proposal to ban the use of mobile phones for “certain connected persons involved with the conduct of the International Match”, something difficult to institute because of human rights and personal freedoms.
Another clause seeks to provisionally suspend any players accused of illegal wagering. That could have devastating consequences for professional careers and future earnings if the player is unable to play crucial games while an inquiry is under way. Some say influential players could be subject to sting operations where they are stitched up for a misdemeanour by those with an interest in seeing them out of action. The IRPA has issued documents like Black Book Eastern Europe, compiled by football’s world players’ union FIFPro. It outlines how prevalent match fixing is in Eastern European football; More than 30 per cent of player respondents in Greece and Kazakhstan have been approached to consider fixing the result of a match, while more than 43 per cent of Russian footballers claimed to be aware of match fixing in their league.
It coincides with Russian President Vladimir Putin introducing a bill in Parliament against match fixing in sport.
Match-fixing organisers now run the risk of a maximum seven-year jail term and/or a one million rouble fine ($39,000), while whistle-blowers would be given immunity from prosecution. The bill has added relevance to rugby because the Sevens World Cup takes place in Moskow at the end of June.
14 Jan 2013, 09:42 am
@gunther-23583: The answer is no.
14 Jan 2013, 09:44 am
Is this thread going to last as long as Hore’s ban?
14 Jan 2013, 09:47 am
@nortierd-23588:
hahaha
i can live with that.
@nortierd-23589:
good
i can live with that too.
@stormer in a teacup-23590:
well, you can be sure the answer from a lot of corporates is very much yes.
money has no morals.
14 Jan 2013, 09:48 am
@stormer in a teacup-23591:
if so then it’ll be over a lot sooner than most expected.
14 Jan 2013, 09:57 am
Ok, so what have I missed????
Going out on a limb here….but I’m thinking:
Cheating Kiwis compliments of Bakkies.
Evil white people and why we should all be supporting farm strikes by throwing grapes in solidarity; compliments of the comrade with the VERY BEST online struggle credentials in like forEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR – ET.
The magnificence of the Sharks and why Reinach is the like the awesumnest scrummie in like EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR compliments of HG.
The Bulls 3 Super rugby titles and how this automatically makes them super-faves to win the tournie again; compliments of Bakkies and co…..
Quiet confidence with a humble neveer; compliments of all Stormers fans.
Anything else?
14 Jan 2013, 10:01 am
@stormer in a teacup-23590:
It’s very embraboer.
The man is an idiot.
14 Jan 2013, 10:04 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-23594:
Bakkies has now turned on the Stormers
14 Jan 2013, 10:05 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-23594:
hello Dogfood Pedigree,
yes, i have kept the Kiwis honest.
no, ET has passed the baton to Capo in your absence.
HG has real problems with cricket atm, but the upside is this has brought him closer to Skop.
the bulls do have 3 super titles and will be very competitive this season, like last.
‘quiet confidence with a humble veneer’..?.. getthefuckouttahere!…
14 Jan 2013, 10:07 am
The Sharks got their first win of the season
14 Jan 2013, 10:08 am
“23512.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha said:
13 Jan 2013, 18:31 pm
@nortierd-23507:
hahaha
seriously though, the Cape Cabal which historically is well known for its intereference in rugby should shoulder a lot of the blame here.
there isn’t a single other province in SA which has done more to promote its own ‘liefling seuntjies’ interests than WP has.
provincialism is killing our national game.
23513.nortierd said:
13 Jan 2013, 18:33 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-23512:
At least we don’t sing Liefling to our players.
23514.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha said:
13 Jan 2013, 18:37 pm
@nortierd-23510:
to me Wynie Strydom epitomises the characteristics of among other things; ‘selfless sacrifice, loyallty, steadfastness and commitment to a team cause’, which more than most other things is truly indispensable when it come to building champion winning teams.
23515.i_love_u_bakkiesbotha said:
13 Jan 2013, 18:41 pm
somehow that always seems missing from the Stormers.
for some reason you just know this isn’t a team which will die for each and do everything and more, whether they receive compensation or not, to win.”
14 Jan 2013, 10:09 am
@gunther-23595: a country deserves the leaders it gets.
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