Hore set for hefty ban
26 Nov 2012
New Zealand hooker Andrew Hore has been cited for an off-the-ball incident which subsequently hospitalised Wales lock Bradley Davies.
Hore hit Davies off the ball during the initial stages of last Saturday’s Test in Cardiff. The incident was missed by matchday officials, but Hore has now been cited and looks likely to receive a lengthy suspension.
The time and date of the hearing, before the IRB’s appointed independent judicial officer, have yet to be fixed.
All Blacks coach Steve Hansen expects the hooker to be sidelined for some time. Hansen did not say as much, but has already called for a replacement ahead of the coming Test against England.
Dane Coles is expected to start at Twickenham.
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26 Nov 2012, 09:22 am
Gunther & Stormer in a Teacup…
Accept what you both say… I didnt personally hear AD say anything… was just going on what was said by the Aus commentators…
26 Nov 2012, 09:22 am
shame you all werent as vociferous with rougeries eye gouge on Mcaw in the WC final..
oh thats right, its Ritchie, he deserves it..
26 Nov 2012, 09:23 am
@Esoteric-250:
yeah… vern has been awesome and was missed dearly… for sure we need him…
26 Nov 2012, 09:23 am
@poppa69-116:
No i dont advocate for any kind of “killing for fun”. Im very much against it . I think you’ll find hunting in Africa hides under the guise of culling but i very much doubt they use clubs to pound the animals to death. either way two wrongs …
26 Nov 2012, 09:23 am
Good recovery, Japies!
26 Nov 2012, 09:24 am
Hansen was particularly coy about pre-empting Andrew Hore’s probable suspension…
“If there is an incident and if you’ve done it, you’ve done it. You’ve got to take accountability, ownership and responsibility for it.”
“But what are the mitigating circumstances around that?”
“That’s what happens every time we come up here. I think they think we’re thugs or something but we don’t play the game any different to anyone else.”
“We don’t go out there to do things intentionally.”
“we’ve shown plenty of times over the last twelve months that we’re a disciplined side. You only have to look at the incidents that have surrounded Richie where we’ve not jumped in and made it a big scene.”
“We prive ourselves on playing good rugby. Yeah we’re physical and we don’t take any backward steps and we don’t expect our opposition to do that either.”
26 Nov 2012, 09:25 am
@I am a stormer-248: Hope so in Philander. I’ve never been a particular fan of Pieterson, but he’s had decent form lately, still not convinced on his bowlling though.
26 Nov 2012, 09:26 am
@Atreides-242: “I’m resigned to the fact he [Hore] has been cited, it happens every time we come up here.”
What a fcken ****. Hansen should be banned along with the hore for that.
Anyway, this won’t be a small ban. After the whole IRB appeal of the Thomson ban, they’ll be very aware of not gently stroking All Black cawck at the disciplinary hearing again.
26 Nov 2012, 09:26 am
“But what are the mitigating circumstances around that?”
Davies shouldn’t have worn a red jersey…!!
26 Nov 2012, 09:27 am
@boktillzero-254: “…but i very much doubt they use clubs to pound the animals to death.”
Yes, because if they tried, the animals would simply tear them asunder!
26 Nov 2012, 09:29 am
@poppa69-252: LOL. Are you going to accuse us of not being more outspoken against slavery in the 1700′s too in the context of Horegate?
26 Nov 2012, 09:30 am
Hore lost the plot and the old brutal violence associated with Men in Black came out in him
So what kind of penalty should he receive ?
First lets look at some similar cases from the November tours where the standards have already been set
Andy Powell
Head high forearm concussing McCaw =no citing
Dylan Hartley
forearm smash to face of McCaw = no citing
Martin Johnson
knocks out Marshall with blind punch = no citing
Stephen Jones
kicks Brendon Leonard in the face concussing him = no citing
Yeah thats right
the ******** didnt even get cited
soon as a AB plays up the NH crowd are looking for the nearest tree to string em up on
******* hypocrites
So going by the standards already set
Hore should not have even been cited
Suck on that one
26 Nov 2012, 09:31 am
Last cricket post but have to say what a boon the DRS is to the game. We could have lost the game had it not been for DRS. I wonder how many games’ outcomes pre-DRS would have been affected, had they this technology at their disposal?
26 Nov 2012, 09:31 am
@poppa69-252:
Hore deserves what is coming to him, there is nothing I saw that mitigates the outrageous strike on Davies.
But I agree. The glee being expressed by some of the folk on this blog at being gifted a probable failure in the character of one of the AB’s is like they have won some imaginary lottery.
26 Nov 2012, 09:32 am
@Brads-264:
You’ll have to excuse us, it happens so rarely it is rather similar to winning the lottery.
26 Nov 2012, 09:34 am
@WP-Forever-256: “But what are the mitigating circumstances around that?”
Exactly. that’s what I want to know too. What about the mitigating circumstances?
I mean, not even three minutes before this incident, Hore and his mates were openly edging each other on to commit gruesome atrocities on anyone wearing red in what is affectionately known as the “haka”. Say what you want, but that gets the blood up. Surely this has to be taken into account?
26 Nov 2012, 09:34 am
@Brads-264: Glee knoob jockey,glee.He is going to get what he deserves.
26 Nov 2012, 09:35 am
@WP-Forever-265:
Thanks for acknowledging the truth.
26 Nov 2012, 09:36 am
Hore should get 2 years … just look at they guy … does he even shower or bath? i remember him in Super Rugby aswel, thug! 2 years minimum …
26 Nov 2012, 09:36 am
@stormersboy-240:
Rudolph and Tahir out.
Peterson and Philanderer in if fit.
Kallis to batt only if fit.
26 Nov 2012, 09:37 am
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-267:
I hope he does, and so he should.
26 Nov 2012, 09:37 am
@katman-266:
Louise, you have not the slightest idea about the Haka ,let alone even knowing what it is like to do one. Lay off and concentrate on something else
26 Nov 2012, 09:37 am
kleingeld = out!
26 Nov 2012, 09:38 am
@Esoteric-263:
Im sure theres a few teams who would have loved it when Steve Bucknor was doing his thing towards the end of his career .Funny thing about that it is DRS is optional .
India is the main antagonist for it but ironically they appeal for lbw on nearly every other delivery
26 Nov 2012, 09:41 am
@Hurricane-272:
You were hooked line and sinker there Hurri.
26 Nov 2012, 09:42 am
@Hurricane-272: Tell us about the goosefleshy awesomeness then, Hurri.
26 Nov 2012, 09:44 am
http://prem0.hiboox.com/images/4712/diapo028661881b81a688fba42c3fc2bc2fab.gif
Let it load once properly, then it will play at normal speed. Note the terrible knee to an already unconscious head at the end. This will be a landmark case for the disciplinary process and the IRB.
26 Nov 2012, 09:45 am
@boktillzero-274:
Well, the DRS system would show up how much pressure they put on umpires through endless and often outlandish appeals.
It would take away a tidy part of their blowing strategy.
26 Nov 2012, 09:46 am
As a matter of fact, I believe Bradley Davies should lay a charge of battery against Andrew Hore.
Battery is the unlawful touching of another person.
In sport, one consents to physical contact, as long as the conduct is lawful sporting activity according to the rules.
Once a player acts outside the rules of the sport, the defence of consent no longer exists.
It would be very easy to prove a case of battery against Andrew Hore.
26 Nov 2012, 09:46 am
@boktillzero-274: Heh, ja blood curdling wide-eyed death stare appeals at that. Think the only reason they oppose it is because of the revenue cricket generates in that country and the corruptness which accompanies it, can’t be corrupt if technology intervenes
I’m out for the night, dinner time. Cheers
26 Nov 2012, 09:47 am
@katman-276:
You wouldnt understand.
26 Nov 2012, 09:47 am
@WP-Forever-279:
Look at precedents in R v Johnson (1986) and R v Lloyd (1989) – Players do not consent to assaults that are not all part of the game.
26 Nov 2012, 09:48 am
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26 Nov 2012, 09:48 am
@katman-277: He should get into MMA with strikes like that!! Oh wait, no, in MMA your opponent faces you….
26 Nov 2012, 09:49 am
@Hurricane-281: Use flowery prose then. Theatre of the mind. Put me in the middle of that haka.
26 Nov 2012, 09:54 am
@WP-Forever-279:
Yeah yeah yeah.
That old chestnut has been bandied around for years and it has gone no where. Only people who lack ideas come up with such inane answers to issues like on field thuggery.
Pity there are so many of you who trot out the damn thing with such repetitiveness.
Reality is the penalty Hore is going to get will be far harsher than what the PC Legal System would impose.
26 Nov 2012, 09:55 am
“If there is an incident and if you’ve done it, you’ve done it. You’ve got to take accountability, ownership and responsibility for it.”
“But what are the mitigating circumstances around that?”
“I mean, no-one has said a thing about the vicious headbutt on Andrew’s fist, or the state his knee is in after a second headbutt, which nobody saw. He has a bruise and everything, and Ma’a had to give him his last Hello Kitty plaster, which put a damper on the boy’s spirits. He’s a top bloke you know, and no-one deserves a bruised knee and a sore fist in one game. It’s very frustrating but we’ll back him to the hilt. I hope the Welsh boys do the right thing and buy him some new plasters.”
26 Nov 2012, 09:57 am
@katman-285:
lol
26 Nov 2012, 09:58 am
@Atreides-284:
You mean like Bakkies headbutt on Cowan?
26 Nov 2012, 10:09 am
the self righteous indignation is laughable
I remember PDV supporting burger, yet Hansen can’t support Hore?
should burger, Bismarck, matfield on kelleher all result in court cases?
Bakkies too? oh wait, they’ll just buy there way out of any sentence, like killer bees
26 Nov 2012, 10:14 am
@poppa69-290:
You call that support?
I thought it was half hearted at best, but more like not saying anything that would damage his already weak defense.
26 Nov 2012, 10:14 am
There is no license for thuggery.
The inherent violence of a contact sport cannot go unhindered in terms of English case law: as Chief Justice Lord Lane observed in R v Lloyd, that while “forceful contact was allowed by the rules…[t]he game was not, however, a licence for thuggery.”
R v Billinghurst (1978) was the first successful prosecution of a rugby player for assault occasioning actual bodily harm for incidents occuring on the field of play. The case centred on an amateur rugby game in South Wales where, during the course of a rather rugged encounter, the accused broke his opponent’s leg. The victim was a prison officer whose principals were not content to lose his services in such a manner without an attempt to let similar offenders realise the potential consequences of such behaviour. Therefore, by the time David Bishop, a Welsh international player, punched an opponent on the ground, away from the ball, during a club rugby match in 1986, an incident which attracted considerable amounts of publicity, neither he nor his club could claim that they were unaware of the legal consequences. In the case itself, David Bishop pleaded guilty to common assault for the “off-the-ball” incident and was duly convicted and sentenced to one month imprisonment, varied to one of twelve months suspended by the Court of Appeal.
26 Nov 2012, 10:16 am
@WP-Forever-279:
Community service?
26 Nov 2012, 10:17 am
@poppa69-290:
Seems PDV has a bit too say about things
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjp6zoycEW8
26 Nov 2012, 10:17 am
http://prem0.hiboox.com/images/4712/diapo028661881b81a688fba42c3fc2bc2fab.gif
See it again, in all its gory glory. And note how he aims his left knee at the head of the already unconscious Davis and drops it with force into the temple area. Everyone’s going on about the swinging sucker punch, but that knee could have killed the man. Watch what happens to his head and neck when the second blow lands.
And enough of this Burger did this, Bees did that, Martin Johnson did this, Henry Tromp did that rubbish. Watch the clip, and comment on Hore.
26 Nov 2012, 10:19 am
@gunther-293:
Well…the criminal offence of battery in England and Wales is punishable with imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or a fine not exceeding £5,000, or both.
26 Nov 2012, 10:22 am
Aussie & NZ commentators – the no names – called PDV a clown for supporting bakkies …. so what does that make Hansen ….? what if the player was paralised? shocking … filthy country with filthy beliefs!
26 Nov 2012, 10:24 am
@katman-295: Like you said, everybody looked at the punch, but now that you have pointed it out, that knee could have done a hell of a lot of damage !!
26 Nov 2012, 10:26 am
Katman
haven’t you got to get to the families corner store apu?
26 Nov 2012, 10:26 am
@suffer_guy-297:
With a history like South Africa….you would be the last person to call a country filthy with filthy beliefs.
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