Hore set for hefty ban
26 Nov 2012
New Zealand hooker Andrew Hore has been cited for an off-the-ball incident which subsequently hospitalised Wales lock Bradley Davies.
Hore hit Davies off the ball during the initial stages of last Saturday’s Test in Cardiff. The incident was missed by matchday officials, but Hore has now been cited and looks likely to receive a lengthy suspension.
The time and date of the hearing, before the IRB’s appointed independent judicial officer, have yet to be fixed.
All Blacks coach Steve Hansen expects the hooker to be sidelined for some time. Hansen did not say as much, but has already called for a replacement ahead of the coming Test against England.
Dane Coles is expected to start at Twickenham.
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26 Nov 2012, 10:26 am
Bradley Davies got seven weeks’ suspension for a reckless tip tackle on Donncha Ryan earlier this year.
I wonder what Andrew Hore will get?
26 Nov 2012, 10:27 am
And yet no one said anything about this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttY0jl1LAFU
26 Nov 2012, 10:28 am
@WP-Forever-296:
You have to be joking surely.
or else you are on planet Lalaland to keep pitching that turnip as being remotely plausible as a deterrent to on field thuggery like Hore and Bakkies.
Although in the case of Bakkies, there may be a case for repeat offenses being worth pursuing.
Have you researched that approach, it might have some traction.
26 Nov 2012, 10:29 am
@Brads-303:
The fact remains, as the law stands in England and Wales, criminal liability is a strong possibility.
26 Nov 2012, 10:29 am
@katman-295:
Now you are going for a knee??
He tripped like when you guys said about Quade Coopers knee into McCaws face.
26 Nov 2012, 10:30 am
@katman-295:
Sickening really.
Where is Blackpants to explain the thinking behind this?
26 Nov 2012, 10:33 am
@katman-295: By the way, thank you for pointing that out !!
What “motivates” anybody to do that in the first minute of a match ?
On a lighter note: I can’t recall when exactly it was but Piet Bester received a yellow card within the first 2 minutes of a match, playing for Griquas: his reply to one of his team mates” question of why he struck the opponent, he said: “Hy soek al die hele wedstryd k#k met my” (“he’s been looking for sh*t the whole match”) !!
26 Nov 2012, 10:34 am
@WP-Forever-304:
What are you blathering about.
Criminal law requires beyond a reasonable doubt. i.e. Hore would have to be proven to have acted with the deliberate intention of injuring Davies.
That would never happen.
The IRB judiciary has no such constraints. The mere face it was not a good look for the game is enough to make him guilty.
Drop the idiot side show argument. It has no merit.
26 Nov 2012, 10:34 am
@Hurricane-289: Maybe pro-wrestling…they could form a tag-team lol
26 Nov 2012, 10:34 am
@CharlesM-307:
What did he point out ??
26 Nov 2012, 10:35 am
@Hurricane-302: Why don’t you spend the rest of the day putting together a montage of wrongs committed across the world and then present this at the hore’s hearing?
26 Nov 2012, 10:35 am
@Atreides-309:
26 Nov 2012, 10:35 am
@244 except burger geldenhyus had just been punched by Andy Haden in a ruck and got up and hit the first bloke he saw which was dalton. Still it was from behind so not great, but no one had antagonized Hore except the Haka. Time for that stupid dance to be banned as well. Anything that promotes violence and throat slitting has no place in rugger!
26 Nov 2012, 10:37 am
@katman-295:
i actually picked up in the knee earlier and asked about it already
but watching it again i can only say
sickening
absolutely sickening
it turns my stomach to watch that
who does something like that to another human being….
sjoe!
this is too much for me
26 Nov 2012, 10:37 am
@Brads-308:
Listen, bud.
Under English law, the mens rea for battery is intention OR recklessness. You can go read up R v Venna if you like (from 1976).
As long as they can prove that Hore was aware of the risk that the result will occur if he acted as he did and did so act where no reasonable person would – no intent is required, and the elements of the crime of battery are met.
26 Nov 2012, 10:38 am
@Hurricane-310: The knee to the head !!
26 Nov 2012, 10:38 am
@katman-311:
You were the one putting up things that happened 30 years ago with Andy Haden.
Did you not?
But as i have said Hore needs to go and not come back to the AB jersey. Why would i be like you guys and back a person like Hore?
26 Nov 2012, 10:38 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-314: Some chamomile tea and a spot of knitting will put you to rights, grandma
26 Nov 2012, 10:38 am
@whatever-313:
I have no issue with the Haka been banned.
You start a petition and I will happily sign it.
26 Nov 2012, 10:39 am
@Hurricane-305: Ah, you see officer, I tripped and then I accidentally kicked the unconscious victim in the head with my knee.
26 Nov 2012, 10:39 am
@CharlesM-316:
He fell over, this is becoming a joke.
26 Nov 2012, 10:40 am
This is an ugly incident!!
Hore should get a lenghty ban for this, i would go for 8 weeks after previous records has been taken into account.
26 Nov 2012, 10:40 am
@katman-320:
You believed Quade Cooper, why not a Kiwi?
26 Nov 2012, 10:41 am
@Hurricane-323: Point this out to me?
26 Nov 2012, 10:41 am
@Hurricane-321: Watch the clip. Did you?
26 Nov 2012, 10:42 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-314:
“who does something like that to another human being….”
Here we go this person does and you love him .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyI1UQfT6K0
26 Nov 2012, 10:42 am
@WP-Forever-315:
Yeah yeah yeah.
I covered this already.
It has been trotted out by wannabees for God knows how long and has achieved zero traction.
I don’t need to defend my attitude on the issue, reality is all the proof I need.
26 Nov 2012, 10:43 am
@Atreides-318:
yes, perhaps i will… thank you for the concern
26 Nov 2012, 10:43 am
Hore you pathetic sack of shi t!!! Go hit the bars again and try that stunt out in there where it belongs.
26 Nov 2012, 10:44 am
@Brads-308:
Let’s put out the elements, shall we. Under section 39 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 battery is a summary offence, punishable by up to 6 months’ imprisonment, a fine not exceeding £5,000, or both. It is a common-law offence.
The actus reus of battery consists of the (1) unlawful (2) application of force (3) on another.
There is no need to prove harm – a mere touch can be sufficient. More importantly, the victim need not be aware that he or she is about to be struck. If someone is struck from behind this will still constitute battery.
The mens rea of battery is intention or Cunningham recklessness.
Recklessness as defined in R v Cunningham is a subjective test: Did the defendant foresee the harm that in fact occurred, might occur from his actions, but nevertheless continued regardless of the risk?
26 Nov 2012, 10:44 am
@Hurricane-321:
Don’t know Hurri, it could be an accident, but his whole action looked like doing harm to the player, so who is to say the knee was an accident. Could be, but doubt it!
26 Nov 2012, 10:44 am
I missed the knee.
Looks pretty bad now that someone has pointed it out.
@CharlesM-307: I remember the joke going around when Andre Markgraaf’s telephone call to one of the Betser brothers blew up and he got nailed.
Someone sent him a good luck card and signed it “Alles van die beste!”
26 Nov 2012, 10:46 am
@CharlesM-307:
You mean like Burgars eye gouge on the Lions Player in the first 40 seconds of that particular game?
26 Nov 2012, 10:47 am
Wasn’t kempo arrested after a game in the UK a few weeks ago on battery charges?
The hit was on a player from the USA but the match was in the UK.
He just shouldered the guy,
Came to nothing, but still, it does show precedent.
Mind you I don’t agree with that sort of thing as a rule.
I’d consider making an exception for an All Black player though.
26 Nov 2012, 10:48 am
@WP-Forever-330:
Boring.
26 Nov 2012, 10:49 am
@cane-333: Et tu, cane?
What’s with this compulsive deflection on this thread? No amount of pointing out other wrongs will lessen this despicable act. The collective Kiwi conscience needs a long hard look in the mirror here. Not a long hard look through Youtube.
26 Nov 2012, 10:49 am
@Mr Black-331:
Well it seems he is guilty on here with the knee to some of these guys.
He has been cited for the ugly hit. Lets get this **** over with and him banned for a long time.
26 Nov 2012, 10:50 am
@stormersboy-334:
The critical point being it came to nothing.
Accept it, move on, the idea carries no weight.
26 Nov 2012, 10:50 am
I see the Jappies are all juiced up and into a feeding frenzy here today.
YOU Sick baastards.
Most of you are enjoying this,
but not one of you has shown any concern for The Taffy.
.
26 Nov 2012, 10:51 am
@Hurricane-326:
bakkies as you know, has been well punished for numerous indiscretions on the field… both real and imagined.
if anything i would say the judicial processes surrounding his rehabilitation as a repeat offender had worked very well towards the end of his international career.
26 Nov 2012, 10:51 am
@Hurricane-326: Awesome. Thanks for that. Combatbok puts together the best vids.
Oh, and there was nothing in that three minutes of Bakkies Botha roughness that came even close to the Hore’s filth. Not even close. Just shows you what a biitch perception can be.
26 Nov 2012, 10:52 am
@katman-336:
NOt one of us has said Hore is not guilty….cos he is….simple.
What more do you want?
Lets get this fool out of the game and carry on.
26 Nov 2012, 10:52 am
@cane-339: I sent him chocolates and a SA Rugby subscription.
26 Nov 2012, 10:53 am
@Hurricane-337:
If i was the coach the ban would make no difference to me, i would not let the player play for my team again. just like Heyneke did with Greyling.
26 Nov 2012, 10:53 am
@stormersboy-334:
Kempson was arrested in Bermuda.
That was an even worse act of unmitigated violence. Done outside the area of play.
26 Nov 2012, 10:55 am
@katman-343:
Big Deal.
Andrew gave him his head back.
26 Nov 2012, 10:55 am
@katman-341:
Elbows, stomping, high shots, eye gouging, spear tackles, knees into people on the ground and blowing kisses to other guys and this is from one player.
26 Nov 2012, 10:55 am
sjoe!
it does not get any easier even when viewed again
that knee to head of the prone and unconcious welshman
sjoe!
sjoe!
sjoe!
26 Nov 2012, 10:56 am
@Mr Black-344:
hahaha
26 Nov 2012, 10:56 am
@katman-343:
Yeah i sent him games of the Boks in 2012 as he has trouble sleeping.
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