Hore gets slap on wrist
28 Nov 2012
All Blacks hooker Andrew Hore has been given a five-week ban for striking Wales lock Bradley Davies with his arm, three of which will be pre-season.
Hore was found guilty of foul play on Wednesday and will not be able to play again until 24 February. He will miss New Zealand’s Test against England this Saturday, three weeks of pre-season and one round of Super Rugby.
The All Blacks have already called up Hika Elliot (who had been touring with the NZ Maori) to provide hooker cover.
Judicial officer Lorne Crerar of Scotland revealed that Hore’s eight-week ban had been reduced to five as the player had shown remorse and been in contact with Davies daily since the incident.
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29 Nov 2012, 08:57 am
@katman-250:
The price of peace is eternal vigilance.
29 Nov 2012, 09:07 am
@texasnz-208:
i have read several people suggest that hore was too ‘amped’, ‘wound up’, etc from the haka… and was still feeling the affects of the adrenaline and/pr testosterone and therefore basically could not help himself…
if that is the case…. if by the admission of new zealanders themselves the haka generates a frenzied, non-thinking, violent state in the minds of the players who perform it…
surely… surely… it is time to disallow the performance of the haka… if this is the effect it has on all black players…
don’t now rabbit on about me being a hater… that’s not the case… but if anyone else engaged in pre-game rituals or habits that resulted in them becoming violent they would surely be stopped from engaging in such activities in future…??
29 Nov 2012, 09:11 am
In a medical first, Hore gets clap on the wrist.
29 Nov 2012, 09:12 am
@ufo-252:
Course you are not a hater, we all know this.
But when the Haka is performed, it does get the adrenaline going but look at the opposition, they too experience a rush.
Look at the national anthems, especially the welsh ones,hell
that gets me pumped up as well, hate too see what going on in the mind of a welsh player when
that superb anthem is sung.
29 Nov 2012, 09:12 am
@katman-253:
lol
ok go on, i know you have more.
29 Nov 2012, 09:13 am
UFO,
Dont make kak here! The Haka is years and years of tradition which is one of the pinnacle of a rugby players experience. I can tell you from speaking to and coaching some of the Springboks in the past, they feel that facing the AB Haka is one of the experiences that they really look forward to.
Besides, it generates plenty of emotion in the teams facing it as well.
29 Nov 2012, 09:13 am
@Hurricane-254: Cool, if the anthems do the same, then we can all just stick with anthems. That wasn’t so hard.
29 Nov 2012, 09:25 am
Simple solution to this Haka conundrum…
Allow the opposition team to advance mano a mano, face to face, toe to toe and meet this now marketing excuse for war dance head on…
Without:
- Sanction
- Fines
No-one has met the Challenge better than the Boks in 1995 or France 2011… This is how it should be…
This little stand back w.ank is no good for the haka, the game or the Kiwis… Makes them look like a precious protected species…
Farkem
29 Nov 2012, 09:27 am
@Hurricane-254:
how can the opposition get a rush… they’re not allowed to react and get the testosterone coursing through their veins…
have said many time i enjoy watching it… but surely if it is being used to excuse the thuggery of hore there is something not quite right with the picture…
@BULLET-256:
:yawn:
funny you feel you need to weight your opinion with such a claim… true or not…
so you speak for “some springboks”..? bully for you…
i speak for myself…
29 Nov 2012, 09:27 am
1995 will go down as the Haka’s darkest day…
The day when a legendary flank stared an entire team down and a tank of a lock laughed in their faces…
29 Nov 2012, 09:29 am
@Heavens Game-258:
not often we agree…
but certainly do on this…
good post…
29 Nov 2012, 09:29 am
@Heavens Game-258:
It messes with their choreography.
They get stage fright.
29 Nov 2012, 09:30 am
f the haka … waste of time! cannibals sticking out their tongues and slitting throats!! NZ should choose one .. or that Inkie Pinkie Ponkie anthem of their or the haka .. not both! ….
29 Nov 2012, 09:31 am
@ufo-261: Cheers
29 Nov 2012, 09:31 am
@ufo-259:
So the opposition dont get worked up?
And do you honestly know this cos you have faced the haka in an international match?
@katman-257:
no our anthem sucks.
29 Nov 2012, 09:33 am
If teams are allowed to challenge or mock the Haka, the All Blacks might get hurty feelings that could last well into the second half. There is no way the IRB will let that happen.
29 Nov 2012, 09:34 am
@ufo-259:
Oh hang on, so after 100 years of doing the Haka it is decided by south africans that in 2012 it promotes thuggery?
29 Nov 2012, 09:34 am
@Heavens Game-258:
Here we go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15hgl4qfvcA
I thought Wiese was going to headbutt one of the Kiwis at one stage…
29 Nov 2012, 09:35 am
OH here we go, out come all the anti kiwis from the woodwork.
Fuckme, what next HG will turn into a poltergeist?…we know
29 Nov 2012, 09:38 am
@katman-266:
we can look after ourselves. IRB are the ones sticking their noses in and stopping teams from moving etc. Not right really but not much we can do.
29 Nov 2012, 09:38 am
@WP-Forever-268: The best thing that Wiese ever did in Green and Gold…
Other than the “Balie… we can go up, we can go down, we can go sideways… but we are NOT going back”… 5m from the line, Boks vs France, Semi final RWC 1995
Legend…
29 Nov 2012, 09:39 am
@Hurricane-265:
of course not… but then neither have you…???
i think we can all agree the opposition would get waaay more into if they were allowed to react naturally to it…
it is a challenge afterall… is it not…? what sort of a challenge doesn’t allow the challenged to challenge back…?
it’s easy to challenge someone when they’re bound and gagged… let teams challenge the haka back… by advancing and/or shouting back…
now THAT would get the testosterone flowing in both teams… and the post haka violence would be a sight to behold…!!
29 Nov 2012, 09:40 am
I see Siddle, Pattinson and Hilfinhaus are out of the next test. All exhausted from the rope-a-dope they recieved from Faf.
Potentiall an all new bowling attack for Aus tomorrow.
Also looks like Peterson may be starting for us. Cant do any worse than Tahir mind you.
I still think that Aaron Phangiso is the future for SA. Real quality specialist left arm spinner that guy.
Rory might get a reprieve as well. Eek!
Only in SA is Rory Kleinvelft considered a better cricketer than Ryan Mclaren.
29 Nov 2012, 09:47 am
@Hurricane-269: WTF? You also on this Poltergeist bandwagon like that multinicprick DaddyKaizan twat?
This poster categorically not Poltergeist… Why should I be… There’s is probably nothing offensive that fool has said, that yours truly hasn’t already… But with more meaning, feeling and definitely more literacy in my posts than the obviously farken mock charging illiterate who dares to assume my identity…
Farkhim… and you, Sheepshagger…
Now, when you coming this side so I can sort you out once and for all over a bunch of beer and tequila while leaving the Old Ladies under lock and key at home making food for our return…
Maybe we can even start a couple of fights – wont be too hard for a Saffa with an English accent and a skinny Maori to ruffle a few Blue Bull supporters sensibilities I reckon?
29 Nov 2012, 09:48 am
@Hurricane-267:
hahaha…
not at all hurricane… and you’re not that stupid so read my post again…
i’m saying if NEW ZEALANDERS are using the haka as an excuse to mitigate hore’s thuggery then surely there is something wrong…? your countrymen were the first to advance the haka in mitigation of hore’s behavior… i have not agreed with them…
but seems you want your cake and to eat it…
as a new zealander you concern should be why your countrymen after 100 years have NOW decided that the haka excuses subsequent thuggish behavior…
are you and bullet and texasnz therefore saying opposition teams should from now on EXPECT all blacks to be so amped after the haka that that they are likely to they are likely to be clocked unsighted from behind…?
surely the corollary of the argument of the three of you is that if the opposition do indeed get so worked up by the haka as you suggest… then a sprinbok who clocks carter or mccaw unsighted from behind…
can also claim in mitigation that… “the haka made me do it…”?
see how ridiculous it is to claim the haka as a mitigating factor…???
29 Nov 2012, 09:51 am
hurricane bud…
all i’m asking is…
surely what is good for one side should be good for all sides…
or
surely what’s good for the hore is also good for the john…???
29 Nov 2012, 09:54 am
@John Galt-273:
i think it would be really unfair to drop rory after one game…
the guy was nervous as hell and had a nightmare first innings for sure… but came back very well in the second… and, even if he hadn’t, surely a second chance is warranted…?
this is a player’s career and to simply throw him to the dogs after one game just wouldn’t be right…
imo… of course…
29 Nov 2012, 09:54 am
Hore gets slap on the tits.
Says it’s part of the job.
29 Nov 2012, 09:55 am
seems i’ve run out of sparring partners…???
time to hit the showers then i guess…
fun as always…
enjoy the day all…
29 Nov 2012, 09:56 am
@ufo-275:
Exactly.
According to some here it’s just a song about a big hairy person (Susan Boyle?).
How can that be a mitigating factor?
I call bullshit.
Thuggery end of.
29 Nov 2012, 09:56 am
@John Galt-273: This test is going to be epic. Must say, I haven’t been as ‘Haka’d up’ (amped) about a test in quite a while.
29 Nov 2012, 10:02 am
@Heavens Game-274:
lol
There is the HG we know.
Looking at beginning March.
29 Nov 2012, 10:04 am
@ufo-277:
He’s had two games and deserves another .
Not a fan of Maclaren. Too much of a bits and pieces cricketer at test leve for me.
Assuming Kallis can bat I’d go with
Smith
Alviro
Amla
Kallis
Faf
De Villiers
Robbie the barman
Philanderer
Kleinveldt
Steyn
Morkel
Should be good enough for the convicts.
29 Nov 2012, 10:06 am
@Hurricane-282:
Don’t go drinking with Heavens Game.
You’ll end up naked in a goat pen somewhere in suburban Istanbul.
29 Nov 2012, 10:07 am
@ufo-277:
Not unfair at all. Apart from that one spell, he’s been diabolical. Only Tahir has earned more air miles than him.
And I dont think he should be there in the first place. Mclaren is a better cricketer than him in all facets.
29 Nov 2012, 10:07 am
@ufo-272:
I havnt faced the haka in an international game but i have faced the haka in a rugby match.
Now maybe it is becuase i am kiwi, but i certainly was fired up facing it.
@ufo-276:
For sure UFO. The haka is a challenge.
And the other team/enemy can accept or challenge back in there own way.
IRB have screwed it, we are not at fault and if we are then those people as well do not get the Haka. Its a joke you have to stand still, you cant even **** without IRB fining teams.
29 Nov 2012, 10:08 am
@gunther-283:
He’s only played one test. Against the Poms.
Made 33 not out.
And took 1 stick for 30 odd in only 13 overs the entire test.
29 Nov 2012, 10:08 am
@gunther-284:
lol
HOlyshit, Istanbul sounds terrible
29 Nov 2012, 10:11 am
@Hurricane-286:
Is f.art a bad word??
lol Keo what the hell.
29 Nov 2012, 10:12 am
@John Galt-287:
So
Smith
Alviro
Hash
Jakes
Devil Ears
Faf
Peterson(until Phangiso comes along)
Mclaren
Philander
Steyn
Morkel
That would be my team for this test.
29 Nov 2012, 10:17 am
@ufo-277:
Also, I realise Rory has lost a lot of weight recently but he still looks horribly unfit and cumbersome.
He looks like Meatloaf from Fightclub with those moobs of his.
29 Nov 2012, 10:18 am
@Hurricane-282: Excellent… And never forget, “A soothsayer bids you beware the ides of March.”
29 Nov 2012, 10:24 am
@ufo-252: youre normally better then this UFO…so now they should ban the haka because one guy out of 22 had a brain explosion 3 or 4 minutes after performing it?
can you please go back in history and tell me how many times this has occurred?
now if all 15 player on the field reacted in such a violent way after pwerforming the haka, then you may have a point..
but reaaly, poor post..
I see husky has once again justified Greylings hit on McCaw… is that 6 or 7 Saffas now who have condoned his actions because his opposition was cheating yet hypocritically have been having a go at hurricane using the same line of reasoning?
what a sad state of sorry supporters you lot are, but I understand, having beaten us 12 or 13 times in 20 years you guys all need to vent for your mediocrity..
29 Nov 2012, 10:26 am
@gunther-284: Istanbul? Close but not really… It was Lisbon, actually… After a fine weekend’s consuming that actually started in Richmond, London, after a Vets rugby match… Still dont know how I woke up there…Banshee wasn’t too happy when she phoned my lost mobile and someone speaking Porkandcheese answered… This was before reporting in using partner in crime’s phone…
Near annulment no. 17 that was…
29 Nov 2012, 10:27 am
@poppa69-293: Judging by your mental state, I’m willing to bet that you start every morning with a bedroom haka. And that’s pretty compelling motivation to ban the fcker.
29 Nov 2012, 10:29 am
@katman-295: yawn, for a supposed funny guy you sure lack anything resembling humour…
I feel real pity for your kids…
29 Nov 2012, 10:34 am
@John Galt-287:
He’s a better batsman no doubt.
As a bowler in not do sure.
He certainly wouldn’t let the side down.
But Kleinveldts figures in domestic 4 day cricket have been superb for a couple if years now.
He needs to sort his conditioning out though.
An international cricketer shouldn’t have tots like that unless their name is Merv Hughes.
One player whom I would have liked see there is Lopsy.
Lefties often do well at Perthfontein.
29 Nov 2012, 10:40 am
@gunther-297:
I have a feeling thats the main reason Kirsten took Kleinfeldt. He hits the deck hard and has been bowling well of late.
Critical when playing on the Aus tracks that you take someone like that. Horses for courses as they say.
Watching him run around the field with those moobies is a sight though.
McClarens first class bowling average is better though. Just think Mclaren offers more.
Better batter, better fielder and according to his 1st Class average, a better bowler.
29 Nov 2012, 10:43 am
@gunther-283: I’d be very surprised if Kallis was passed fit, but I agree with your team if he is.
If not I guess Rudolph bats at 4 again. At least Lyon won’t be playing, so he might even get runs.
A cool, windy day expected in Perth tomorrow. Curator reckons he’d bat first as the wicket will get better and better to bat on (as it did in 08).
29 Nov 2012, 10:44 am
@Hurricane: lmao @ ” OH here we go, out come all the anti kiwis from the woodwork.”
wth is a “anti kiwi”?
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