Potent Pommies pulverise imperfect All Blacks
1 Dec 2012
MARK KEOHANE writes that England, at least until the teams next meet, are in the penthouse and all of New Zealand’s rugby world champions will be made to feel like home for the next six months is closer to the shithouse.
England won a Test that was more a non contest 38-21 and they won it in a manner surely only their players could have believed was possible.
England also ensured international rugby remains a game of hope for those who play the All Blacks and not merely an opportunity for the game’s self proclaimed Messiah to deliver an exhibition of the supposed idealism of the game.
The rugby gods have a way of ensuring this is a game meant for mortals that appreciate the triumph and fallibility of mortals. New Zealand, in recent weeks, bemoaned the imperfection of their mortal performances and turned their attention to an indulgent and self-absored inner search for rugby immortality.
It was painful to listen to how no win was good enough as the game’s best players bemoaned their vulnerability in making mistakes, but it will never be as painful as the beating inflicted on them by an England team apparently lacking in ambition, belief and of inferior playing pedigree.
The All Blacks, strained at the continued imperfections of every Test victory, spoke of finishing the year with the perfect performance but got only to know the feeling of a non-performance.
No English team has ever been as uncharitable, brutal and belittling when hosting the All Blacks. How wonderfully entertaining of the English to finally show some mongrel and to do it with a poise more befitting of the pending immortals wearing black.
England played as if sent by the gods to remind the All Blacks that reward comes from beating the opposition and not the romantic notion of a perfect rugby performance.
Playing the perfect game will never be possible, but the All Blacks who took a beating at Twickenham will know there is something like the most painful game.
Celebrate England and smile. The result was perfect, which is very different to a performance assessed on a belief that it has to be perfect.
The sport needed this result as much as the All Blacks needed a reminder that beating the opposition is still the greater reward and reason to play the game than the self indulgent notion that victory comes not in who they beat but in their ability to play the perfect game.
Players, who have made New Zealand the best team in the world in the last 20 months, will never know what it feels like to be perfect in 80 minutes of Test rugby, but they certainly will speak with authority about how it feels to be pulverised and made to feel pedestrian, pathetic and pulverised.
England, expected to play with passion but no poise, precision or perfection, were ruthless, adventurous and never reckless in taking the game’s champs and for 80 minutes treating them like chumps.
The hosts, heroic and inspirational, led 15-0 at half-time in the most emphatic domination of the All Blacks in the history of the two teams. Don’t belittle what England achieved. Not since Jonny Wilkinson kicked the most famous drop goal in English rugby to win England the 2003 World Cup has a nation had as much reason to feel so bloody good on a Saturday night after a Test match.
This was never a contest. In the context of the 80 minutes New Zealand were fortunate not to concede 50 points.
It would do every England player a disservice to speak of New Zealand player fatigue as the reason for the defeat, and it would also do England a disservice to want to read anything beyond the 80 minutes into the performance.
This match needs to celebrated for a result that balances the world order, even if only temporarily, but more importantly for 80 of the finest minutes in England’s professional rugby history.
It reminded me of Buster Douglas knocking out Mike Tyson as among sport’s greatest upsets. The more the England backs trampled over the limp New Zealand defence, the more surreal it seemed. It was a beating of the most emphatic nature and it showed what is possible in any one-off contest where adventure and belief match the physicality and commitment.
New Zealand in the professional era average just over one Test defeat a year. This was it. The unbeaten Test run of 20 ended with a knockout, but it was the All Blacks who were floored. Ultimately it may prove that the most humiliating of defeats proves the most inspiring of results in the push for a successful defence of the World Cup in 2015.
England’s win was their first against the All Blacks and Springboks in 20 Tests so there is no crisis in New Zealand rugby and there certainly should not be any talk just yet of England being world champions in 2015.
Celebrate what is possible when it all comes together for a team in 80 minutes. Call it magnificent and don’t be shy in using every bit of purple praise to commend a performance and a result that is a contradiction of the player pedigree of the sides and certainly of the results in the last two seasons.
England’s players will believe it is possible to win, even against the might of the All Blacks. And New Zealand’s finest will know it is possible to lose, even against a youthful England.
Twickenham on Saturday will be mentioned every time a team is dismissed as a challenger to the world’s best in New Zealand. It will also be the reminder to every All Black player and every New Zealand supporter that if the professional game’s two greatest players Richie McCaw and Dan Carter could so decisively be pummeled in 80 minutes, no match can be assumed safe on the basis of the black jersey and previous performances.
New Zealand produce the quality of England’s finest moment since 2003 three matches in four. Their domination of the game and standards of excellence often mean that their finest matches are not given the necessary accolades because of all the talk of playing the perfect game.
Perhaps New Zealand’s public will again appreciate what constitutes a fine All Blacks win because they again know what it feels like to be humiliated on at least one Saturday in the Test calendar year.
I expect there to be humility in the post match talk from both camps. England will talk of the need to back up this type of all-round win against the very best and deliver consistently in big tournaments. New Zealand can’t but acknowledge this was a day in which they g0t whipped in every aspect of the game.
New Zealand’s 2011 World Cup-winning squad peaked with the most decisive last 40 minutes against the Springboks at Soccer City. It was a match that defined the quality of the world champions. Twickenham will be the start of a building towards a younger side for New Zealand. That is not a bad thing because what Saturday showed is that if the legs are not there no amount of wisdom, experience of historical brilliance can guarantee a winning result.
England were passionate in everything they did, accurate, clinical and crushingly brutal in the collisions. The result and the flow of the game would have surprised no-one had the winners being wearing black.
Give England their due. On this particular Saturday, All Blacks wingers Cory Jane and Julian Savea were as good as they have been all year. For the rest England won at the scrum, the lineout, field position, ball possession and most importantly in every collision. They advanced metres. The men in black were manhandled and carried back with as much ferocity.
The black jersey is again the cape of mortals. Hooray for that.
The 2015 World Cup again has an appeal. Nothing can ever be taken as a given when World Cup glory is determined in 80 minutes.
England have players capable of playing rugby as it was meant to be played. New Zealand, the bench mark of excellence, have players capable of taking a beating. The challenger played with the authority of the champion and the champion with the confusion and bewilderment of a mere pretender taking a pounding.
Take away the identities of the players and the two teams and reflect on the rugby. It was deserving of a standing ovation.
England believed and the All Blacks were never given a chance to not believe. The blows, all legal, were landed in the first collisions and sustained for the duration of the contest. New Zealand were never in this game and the momentum was always with those blokes in white.
England flanker Tom Wood was named Man of the Match but centre Manu Tualigi will remember this day as the one in which greats were made to look like greying pensioners. England’s triumph was New Zealand’s humiliation.
Carter played with the hesitation of a general who wasn’t fit enough to be in battle. Not even the finest are exempt if the mind knows the body is bleeding. Not even the greatest of them all McCaw could match the intensity of England, individually or collectively.
The All Blacks, beaten up for 50 minutes, countered with a flurry that historically would have be followed by a fundamental lesson that this is a team that can be dazed but never regarded defeated. Jane’s footwork and fighting qualities inspired 14 points.
England, 15 points clear and on the rampage, suddenly led by a point and the assumption was the last 20 minutes would be theirs by default more than design. Every other opponent has imploded at the ease with which an hour of control is undone within three minutes.
England’s players, unlike every other opponent in the last 18 months, simply played with greater adventure in response to New Zealand’s terrific two-try cameo and scored a brilliant try of their own. The confidence of England led to more chaos within New Zealand and the reality of circumstance for once proved more influential and defining than the mystique of the might of the black jersey.
England believed they could not lose. The All Blacks knew this was a day they could not win. They were courageous in trying to summon something but England’s reward for refusing to succumb to history and play the situation on merit was the most comprehensive English win in the history of battles between the two countries.
There was nothing fortunate about the win, but there was something particularly fabulous. England played the near perfect blend of rugby New Zealand talks about, in appreciation for width but with precision and not recklessness, in respect of 80 minutes and not 60 and with regard to an opponent who never lacked in desire but never threatened to terrorise.
This was a day when England looked like a team of wonderfully conditioned international rugby players and New Zealand looked bemused, battered and beaten by the refusal of a team to be beaten by a jersey worn by players who had not lost in 18 months, but who on the day were taken a beating.
The best team won at Twickenham on the basis of 80 minutes. Enjoy it England because while no one can say it will be a once in a 100 performance against the world’s best it certainly was a once in 20.
As for New Zealand it was a once in 21 defeat.
Perspective? Not just yet.
All of England deserve to boast about this one. It was that kind of demolition job.
And all of New Zealand should replace the patronising talk of the All Blacks being a team in search of playing the perfect game to a team that was painfully pulverised in their last game.
Perspective? Not for the weekend at least.
744 Comments
1 Dec 2012, 15:32 pm
England by 6
1 Dec 2012, 15:43 pm
ABs will take this at a canter, hopefully a another clean sweep for the SH today.
1 Dec 2012, 15:47 pm
Another Kiwi Grand Slam. Or, is that three GS’s, because they beat the Choirboys three times.
PS who is Owen Farrell? Was his father in MASH?
1 Dec 2012, 15:52 pm
poms by 3….go boys…
1 Dec 2012, 16:02 pm
Who is the referee?
1 Dec 2012, 16:09 pm
no grand slam…they didnt play ireland…
1 Dec 2012, 16:18 pm
Not often I find myself supporting the Dirty Pommies.
Come on England!!!
1 Dec 2012, 16:23 pm
I understand it’s been a while but it seems people have forgotten what it’s like when the Poms are winning rugby games
1 Dec 2012, 16:25 pm
AB’s by 15
1 Dec 2012, 16:33 pm
Today’s performance “The cucka” literally
1 Dec 2012, 16:39 pm
@Transformation-6:
three times
1 Dec 2012, 16:41 pm
Brown embarrasses Jane
1 Dec 2012, 16:43 pm
Excuse me, but how kak is corey jane
1 Dec 2012, 16:45 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell-8:
Miserable
1 Dec 2012, 16:52 pm
Just received a sms from the crusaders coach… We wants me to organise a training session for dan carter with johan goosen… Some tips from the goose…
1 Dec 2012, 16:52 pm
Clancy the Clot!!!
OZ 0 – 3
1 Dec 2012, 16:55 pm
oz 3 – 3
1 Dec 2012, 16:55 pm
@suffer_guy-15: First get yourself in a farking English class.
1 Dec 2012, 16:56 pm
Late tackle ON Smith. No penLty
1 Dec 2012, 16:57 pm
Idiot ref now gives the Kiwis a scrum.
1 Dec 2012, 16:59 pm
Is this game on Supersport?
1 Dec 2012, 16:59 pm
Still gobsmacked how the **** Farrell got nominated for player of the year :O
1 Dec 2012, 17:00 pm
Ashton blows a try
1 Dec 2012, 17:00 pm
@AiDoc-11: you can’t be contibg the games from the june series…that’s stretching it.
1 Dec 2012, 17:01 pm
England Under-21s 3-0 NZ All Sheep
1 Dec 2012, 17:01 pm
Carter cannot always kick on this ground.
1 Dec 2012, 17:02 pm
Morgan you are an idiot!
1 Dec 2012, 17:03 pm
Carter is knitting. Slice one hook one!
1 Dec 2012, 17:03 pm
carter is mortal…
1 Dec 2012, 17:07 pm
@Transformation-29:
Only a rumour.
1 Dec 2012, 17:09 pm
Launchbury’s a boss
1 Dec 2012, 17:09 pm
stuart barnes tacitly admits that corbisiero was cheating vs jannie last week but as long as nigel owen didn’t call it, corbisiero won that battle.
1 Dec 2012, 17:10 pm
England Under-21s 6-0 New Zealand
1 Dec 2012, 17:10 pm
@Big Hit-31: he got FOLDED by etzebeth though
1 Dec 2012, 17:11 pm
BS penalty Going for the ball incidental collision.
1 Dec 2012, 17:13 pm
Farrel looks better than carter… I guess carter can kiss irb player of the year good bye
1 Dec 2012, 17:14 pm
The Boks don’t look so bad compared so far?
1 Dec 2012, 17:16 pm
Wonder what all the tikkoppe from the cape will say now
1 Dec 2012, 17:16 pm
England Under-21s 9-0 New Zealand
1 Dec 2012, 17:16 pm
Farrell will be a 12 not a 10
Hes plays 12 for his club and hes always been known as an inside centre
Freddie Burns should be playing he will ignite this England team
1 Dec 2012, 17:17 pm
@Big Hit-33:
Clancy is the problem. He only gives penalties to the Opium Pushing Slave Traders
1 Dec 2012, 17:17 pm
Farrell gets another drop he may just win player of year..
Kiwis just not in it first half..
1 Dec 2012, 17:17 pm
Is that other thread now dead
1 Dec 2012, 17:18 pm
Another BS penalty
1 Dec 2012, 17:19 pm
12-0 to the kids
1 Dec 2012, 17:19 pm
12-0 … Cape kroessaders gaan weer pspsak en messteek vanaand….
1 Dec 2012, 17:21 pm
Very well played, England. Hansen should read riot act for his troops. And sure he will.
1 Dec 2012, 17:23 pm
ABs forgot to pack their big boy trousers for this game.
1 Dec 2012, 17:23 pm
Draw against aus c …. Struggling against u21 england.. Nz rugby is in BIG trouble…
1 Dec 2012, 17:24 pm
Ben Youngs can run the 100m in 10.8 seconds, in his first few seasons at Leciester he was going on these electric breaks everyone in England thought wow this kid is special
But now you hardly ever see a break all he does his kick the bloody ball! His passing has become slower its just bizarre
1 Dec 2012, 17:24 pm
Their kicking game is not good enough and they look very tired.
1 Dec 2012, 17:25 pm
@john123-40:
Don’t see why he wouldn’t be a 10. Excellent boot, and he seems to control the game alright, with a bit of help from Youngs.
He seems like a winner, so I think England should keep him at 10.
@Big Hit-39:
Wish we could like comments.
1 Dec 2012, 17:26 pm
@suffer_guy-49: If they are in big trouble then God help us. All very exciting at the moment, but as soon as ABs get some ball the game will swing sharply.
1 Dec 2012, 17:28 pm
@john123-50:
Dude, their ahead 12 – 0 because he’s kept NZ in their half with his box kicking.
Think about it.
1 Dec 2012, 17:28 pm
@Nils-47: WTF is going on mate? I´m hoping for a big All Blacks comeback after half time. Would be pi55 poor to lose to England on the last test of the year after the magnificent year theyve had. Comeon!! Go All Blacks!
1 Dec 2012, 17:29 pm
Owen Farrell is an awesome defender, put his body on the line which is why hes got alot of plaudits + kicks well under pressure
But at 12 hes better at creating with his passing ability hes a big/strong kid he can carry the ball as well
1 Dec 2012, 17:29 pm
Kinda puts the match last week a bit more in perspective too. England were poorer last week but thats due to some good physical defence from the Boks too. Blacks look lacklustre today.
1 Dec 2012, 17:31 pm
@Slumtown-55: susie innit
1 Dec 2012, 17:32 pm
@john123-56:
Watched a lot of him playing for Saracens… and he’s not the greatest attacking player, nor is he a bash-it-up type. I reckon he’d be wasted in the midfield.
Develop him as a 10 and he could be special.
1 Dec 2012, 17:33 pm
@Slumtown-55: England play better and apply good pressure and ABs look off color, that’s going on. Maybe virus have an impact, too, so they all better go to WC and listen Hansen’s riot act while sitting.
I believe they will come back but they have to straike quickly, otherwise English confidence will keep growing even more and they may clinch a famous win after all.
1 Dec 2012, 17:33 pm
England showing how ordinary this AB team is
Aussie drew with them now England bossing them all over the park showing just how ordinary they are. If SA had a decent rugby coach they wouldn’t have lost twice to them this year
Pathetic useless moron sending SA rugby into reverse thinking backwardness sucking up to AB’s as if they the immortal benchmark to emulate
1 Dec 2012, 17:34 pm
Good on England, they’re doing what they need to do to win this game. Illness, flu, fatigue, whatever it is in the ABs side, if you’re good enough to run out there and play, then all excuses are null in void.
1 Dec 2012, 17:34 pm
I hope New Zealand score a few tries so Lancaster brings Burns on sick of us going for 3 points when we have players who can score tries
We need to score tries
1 Dec 2012, 17:35 pm
61 as ordinary as your Mama
1 Dec 2012, 17:35 pm
@Big Hit-58: lol forgot about that – yeah good excuse – the Blacks should lay off the Indian Curries. hehe
1 Dec 2012, 17:35 pm
@Big Hit-58: A virus, mate. No need to look for a stir.
1 Dec 2012, 17:36 pm
@skopdiekan-61: If ABs are ordinary, then our game of rugby is in serious trouble.
1 Dec 2012, 17:36 pm
15 -0 … No ways england can loose from here
1 Dec 2012, 17:36 pm
15-0…whitewash?
1 Dec 2012, 17:36 pm
Where’s the Kiwi in China Town now?! Just a couple of hours ago telling me all about the mighty All Blacks.
Must be drowning his sorrows.
1 Dec 2012, 17:37 pm
@skopdiekan-61: ag you talk such k@k sometimes. How is a team with a 86% win record in the last 10 years, who havent been beaten on an EOYT since 2002, won the WC in 2011 and have had an 18 run unbeaten streak ever ORDINARY? Gimme a effin break.
1 Dec 2012, 17:37 pm
@CSI:Rugby-67: well said.
1 Dec 2012, 17:37 pm
Oh my word …
1 Dec 2012, 17:38 pm
@Big Hit-69: I posted that before he even lined the kick up, it’s like watching Jonny
1 Dec 2012, 17:38 pm
oh ffs farrell is not IRBPotY material…not in anu pom’s dream
1 Dec 2012, 17:38 pm
@Nils-60: maybe that halftime dump will sort them out lol – best of luck man for the 2nd half.
1 Dec 2012, 17:38 pm
@john123-63:
Mate, you need to be happy with what they’re dishing out.
Teams don’t score many tries these days… it’s the reality of how the 15-man game has evolved, especially at test level.
1 Dec 2012, 17:38 pm
Hendprick this wont change the fact that we own you.
1 Dec 2012, 17:38 pm
England almost looking as good as the boks did last weekend
1 Dec 2012, 17:39 pm
Clancy is on the taking or so it seemed?
1 Dec 2012, 17:39 pm
This is what Farrell does so well kicks well under pressure just hoping next 2/3 years he develops his all round game
1 Dec 2012, 17:39 pm
WTF McCaw totally played that on the floor!?
1 Dec 2012, 17:39 pm
@Transformation-75:
too fair complexion I guess?
1 Dec 2012, 17:40 pm
@NZINCHINA-78:
There you are! Aren’t you clever.
You’re only as good as your last game… which means you lot suck, in about 35 minutes
1 Dec 2012, 17:41 pm
And there the cannibals wanted to bite and eat Brown… No wonder they have spuit poep before every big game…
1 Dec 2012, 17:42 pm
Farrel winning this game on his own
Modern day Jonny Wilkinson
His position is 10 not 12. Though Barrit doesn’t do much ever.
England should play Tuilagi at 12, Joseph at 13-
If England would have played Farrel and not Flood last week they might have beaten SA
1 Dec 2012, 17:42 pm
Even Barnes says that was a yc
1 Dec 2012, 17:43 pm
@Slumtown-76: Sofar English look better side for sure, but there is still time.
1 Dec 2012, 17:43 pm
Taste that Poppies
1 Dec 2012, 17:43 pm
good try NZ, now we’ve got a game
1 Dec 2012, 17:43 pm
Irish refs are ******* useless! They’re the worst refs in the world
1 Dec 2012, 17:43 pm
Referee folding under the pressure.
Shouldn’t have been a penalty to New Zealand… but it’s tough when you’re expected to let them win, isn’t it.
1 Dec 2012, 17:43 pm
Thats ok the last time we played you we thumped you.
1 Dec 2012, 17:43 pm
oh ffs farrell is not IRBPotY material…not in any pom’s dream
1 Dec 2012, 17:44 pm
Eat it, boys.
1 Dec 2012, 17:44 pm
Clancey got that last penalty wrong. He blew what he thought happened, but England did nothing wrong there. Scrummie had the ball in his hand – fair game.
1 Dec 2012, 17:44 pm
@Big Hit-90: Sure you have.
1 Dec 2012, 17:45 pm
@john123-91:
Is Barnes Oilysh too?
1 Dec 2012, 17:45 pm
And the All Black second half rout begins. Bring it on! Thats the problem with sheet penalties you can have a bunch and still be overtaken with just 2 converted tries.
1 Dec 2012, 17:45 pm
Tulagie missed a simple tackle on the line, try ABs
Mallett can pack his travel bag, the ABs by 8
1 Dec 2012, 17:45 pm
Oh wait. The traditional bleating has begun.
1 Dec 2012, 17:46 pm
and they still “eye gouged” Savea (if you believe that what Etzebeth did was an eye gouge lol) Hope to see a citing after this.
1 Dec 2012, 17:46 pm
1 Dec 2012, 17:46 pm
FFS Farrell shouldn’t have been penalised!
1 Dec 2012, 17:47 pm
The eye gauger read scores…. England still ahead…
1 Dec 2012, 17:47 pm
bwahahahahahaha….what now?!!!!
1 Dec 2012, 17:47 pm
Here comes the A team.
1 Dec 2012, 17:47 pm
Who was criticizing Jane earlier?
1 Dec 2012, 17:47 pm
Poppies are choking again!!!!!
1 Dec 2012, 17:47 pm
Terrible tackling from the Poms
1 Dec 2012, 17:47 pm
Going into hiding.
C u all.
1 Dec 2012, 17:48 pm
New Zealand wow awesome
But Owen Farrell has to kick that in touch!
1 Dec 2012, 17:48 pm
lol bye bye England – anyone who thought they had a sniff at this game is soft in the head.
1 Dec 2012, 17:48 pm
nice, the cat has returned, mice take cover.
1 Dec 2012, 17:49 pm
@kaksioek-108:
Ha ha
Was thinking precisely the same thing after the try
1 Dec 2012, 17:50 pm
@Slumtown-113: well there are only 206 caps between them
and there’s a try courtesy of a former Shark
1 Dec 2012, 17:50 pm
Big bad Brad!
1 Dec 2012, 17:50 pm
Forward pass. Irish get!!
1 Dec 2012, 17:51 pm
Wow Brad Barritt
1 Dec 2012, 17:51 pm
NZ are ordinary its just SA are more ordinary
If SA could find a decent coach they would smack NZ instead of sucking up to their perceived supremacy
From 15-0 at half time to a 1 point game
And then Farrel puts Barrit into space and opens them up to a 6 point game
1 Dec 2012, 17:51 pm
England score, now we have a game.
1 Dec 2012, 17:51 pm
Barritt can u believe it did not see that one coming!
1 Dec 2012, 17:51 pm
takes a Saffa to get England ahead again lol
1 Dec 2012, 17:52 pm
I thought Nonu had a black eye, but it seems he’s been doing his eyebrows again
1 Dec 2012, 17:52 pm
Another BS penalty. Are Indian bookmakers involved?
1 Dec 2012, 17:53 pm
@AiDoc-118: How many posts have you made about the ref? This is not a good look.
1 Dec 2012, 17:53 pm
Nonu went to a spray tan spa.. F know why
1 Dec 2012, 17:53 pm
Advantage you Oilyish Get!
1 Dec 2012, 17:53 pm
here we go again.
1 Dec 2012, 17:53 pm
Stupid play by ABs.
1 Dec 2012, 17:53 pm
Lol all blacks are soooooo kak
1 Dec 2012, 17:53 pm
England’s Samoan is better than any of their Samoans.
1 Dec 2012, 17:54 pm
Woohoo!
1 Dec 2012, 17:54 pm
SPLASHDOWN!!
1 Dec 2012, 17:54 pm
Bwaahahahaha Eng try no2! Tuilagi doing the damage!
1 Dec 2012, 17:54 pm
The AB defence is KAK!!!!!!!
1 Dec 2012, 17:54 pm
And carter is kakker… Wtf… How can he and mccaw be nominated as irb players of the year…. Goodness
1 Dec 2012, 17:55 pm
ABs are making Tuilagi look good.
1 Dec 2012, 17:55 pm
WOW What a ******* try!
1 Dec 2012, 17:55 pm
@kaksioek-138: he is good, he’s 21 years old
1 Dec 2012, 17:55 pm
Ricky wishes his six-month break had already started.
1 Dec 2012, 17:56 pm
Wow what a game
1 Dec 2012, 17:56 pm
Ashtard almost lost the ball with his swan dive.
Blacks have to dig deep today. Holy smokes.
1 Dec 2012, 17:56 pm
Call it now, England have got this one in the bag, can’t see the ABs pulling this one out of the bag. Great team, just not their day. Ruins my multi though.
1 Dec 2012, 17:56 pm
@Big Hit-140: He has looked very average against SA and Oz.
1 Dec 2012, 17:56 pm
told you Tuilagi should play 12.
Play him at inside center and crunch that inside channel.
Farrel’s first real kickable miss
Bye bye AB’s seems slumtown got some rugby intelligence to learn yet
1 Dec 2012, 17:57 pm
And another.
1 Dec 2012, 17:57 pm
Dagg destroyed!!
1 Dec 2012, 17:57 pm
Tuilagi is going to get knighted
1 Dec 2012, 17:57 pm
Game, set and match!!,!, lekker all you coloured cape town all black supporters…. Vat so…….!
1 Dec 2012, 17:57 pm
Kiwis are clearly fried after a long season.. let the Food poisoning inquisitions begin!
1 Dec 2012, 17:58 pm
Kieran Read – what a terrible pass.
1 Dec 2012, 17:58 pm
@skopdiekan-146: every one has an off day – its the overall win count that matters twitface lol.
1 Dec 2012, 17:58 pm
OK, Carter is Tuilagi’s *****.
1 Dec 2012, 17:58 pm
lol this is getting really embarrasing for the All Blacks.
1 Dec 2012, 17:58 pm
The Boks really look like the team to beat with the circus unfolding in front of us right now?
1 Dec 2012, 17:59 pm
@Slumtown-113:
Soft in the head huh?
1 Dec 2012, 17:59 pm
Oh well, nicely played England.
ABs looking terrible.
But still an excellent season from the Champs
1 Dec 2012, 17:59 pm
England must keep playing.
1 Dec 2012, 18:00 pm
So all the experts saying a 15-16 win against England isn’t good enough what do you say now? That includes Keo!
1 Dec 2012, 18:00 pm
Oh, well. It happens. England did very good job, while ABs didn’t. Unless a miracle happens, England can receive congratulations.
1 Dec 2012, 18:01 pm
Are the Kiwis going to right some more odes to Conrad Smith after this game?
1 Dec 2012, 18:01 pm
Last week the weather conditions played a massive part
I think if conditions were better perhaps England might have scored a few tries vs South Africa
1 Dec 2012, 18:01 pm
Why take Farrell off now?
1 Dec 2012, 18:01 pm
A game to far, but hats off to England. They are playing great rugby
1 Dec 2012, 18:01 pm
All Blacks def dont have the rub of the green today – a game vs France would have been well interesting after this.
1 Dec 2012, 18:01 pm
Two-man rolling maul!
1 Dec 2012, 18:02 pm
anywhere I can listen to the game online?
1 Dec 2012, 18:02 pm
Yes!!!!! This made my morning. These all blacks that thinks they are invincible…. And dnt pull The long season card, sa And aus had long season too… Especially our over played boks
1 Dec 2012, 18:02 pm
How do you take off an in form flyhalf like Farrell when your on top?
1 Dec 2012, 18:02 pm
Could have been a penalty try there!
1 Dec 2012, 18:02 pm
Poms couldn’t score a try against us. That’s 3 against the AB’s and would have been 4 but for some cynical offsides
1 Dec 2012, 18:02 pm
@Slumtown-166: You saying they’ve been done in by the ref? Because that’s rubbish.
1 Dec 2012, 18:03 pm
What a hiding!
1 Dec 2012, 18:03 pm
@john123-163: Fair analysis. However, let’s not forget that SA’s defence as compared to that of the ABs seems far superior.
1 Dec 2012, 18:03 pm
A win for England is not a win for SA you desperados.
1 Dec 2012, 18:03 pm
Told you this AB team are ordinary
England fcking them up holy left right and center and the dumb bloody hopeless SA rugby coach sucks up to this ordinaryness as if its goddamn invincible
1 Dec 2012, 18:03 pm
On comes the calvary now for England, goig for 50 points I suspect!
1 Dec 2012, 18:03 pm
@Nils-161: well said
1 Dec 2012, 18:04 pm
@Gazelle-169: “These all blacks that thinks they are invincible”
Sheesh. The only ones who keep that mentioning are the locals here.
1 Dec 2012, 18:04 pm
@Gazelle-169:
And the doubters will say its not a full strength AB side. When have the Boks fielded a full strength side this season.
We would have done this to them in NZ if Morne had his kicking boots on
1 Dec 2012, 18:04 pm
@john123-163: Oh here we go already …. England could have done this, should have done that. The boks beat them. Deal with it. doos.
So now they are the best team in the world?
Typical pom arrogance as usual after a one off win.
1 Dec 2012, 18:04 pm
Boks beat england….. Nz – killed
1 Dec 2012, 18:05 pm
@groen-168: http://www.vipboxsports.eu/sports/rugby.html
1 Dec 2012, 18:05 pm
@skopdiekan-177:
You have said a lot of things.
But 1 draw and a loss out of 21 games is not ordinary.
1 Dec 2012, 18:05 pm
177 you are a farking genuis.
1 Dec 2012, 18:05 pm
@kaksioek-184: thanx mate
1 Dec 2012, 18:05 pm
@suffer_guy-183:
NZ beat SA twice…..what is your point?
1 Dec 2012, 18:05 pm
Surely after this hammering, boks are nr 1
1 Dec 2012, 18:06 pm
@DEE DAH-181: Who are they missing, apart from the hore? Thomson? Kaino? No, this is pretty much their full strength team.
1 Dec 2012, 18:06 pm
@NZINCHINA-176: Suck it! Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving supporter.
1 Dec 2012, 18:06 pm
@skopdiekan-177: ja they didnt look so hot last week against an all over the place Bok team. Every team has a good day once in a while. And every teams has their off days. Dont get carried away now.
1 Dec 2012, 18:06 pm
@suffer_guy-189:
Boks need to beat NZ once in a while to get that. They cannot rely on others to get them to #1
1 Dec 2012, 18:06 pm
21 points? Against the so called world champs? Not a good adver
1 Dec 2012, 18:07 pm
That’s it. Congratulations, England, well deserved win and impressive playing, very well done indeed.
For the ABs, disappointed, of course, but no one can win all games, so sooner or later a loss was inevitable. Beaten by the better and hungrier side today.
Well done English!
1 Dec 2012, 18:07 pm
Advert for rugby…
1 Dec 2012, 18:07 pm
Lancaster just keeps throwing more and more kids
1 Dec 2012, 18:07 pm
Again Ashton can’t take the final pass.
1 Dec 2012, 18:07 pm
All black should bring on carter, mccaw and read asap…. Oh wait !!, lmao
1 Dec 2012, 18:08 pm
191 we still own you buddy remember that
1 Dec 2012, 18:08 pm
and finally on comes the best scrum half in England…. Freddie Burns.
1 Dec 2012, 18:08 pm
@katman-190:
We know that but excuses never make sense do they
1 Dec 2012, 18:08 pm
A game too far, but who cares! Anyone can see that the ABs are off their game and out of it.
A once in (how long?) 11 year win for England in a one off test. Woop Dee Doo.
I would rather have this result and the ABs record for the year, than ANYTHING the Boks have delivered!
1 Dec 2012, 18:08 pm
@The Analyst-182: No I am not saying that saying the weather played a part
1 Dec 2012, 18:09 pm
@suffer_guy-194: Enjoy it, mate. What else you can do except for craving for others to do the job.
1 Dec 2012, 18:09 pm
@Big Hit-197:
Well done BH, England played a good game today.
ABs played a shocker, our defence was rubbish, Carter rubbish and A.Smith ****…i could keep going.
1 Dec 2012, 18:09 pm
@katman-173: no man – rub of the green can refer to things going your way – too many dropped passes and knock ons etc. I didnt say a word about the ref.
1 Dec 2012, 18:10 pm
must be Suzie is alive and well and living on Marylebone High Street someplace
1 Dec 2012, 18:10 pm
England on fire. ABs nowhere.
1 Dec 2012, 18:10 pm
Nz lucky they arent playing samoa next weekend
1 Dec 2012, 18:10 pm
@The Analyst-203: yep but the likes of Skop use this as a prime example of how wonderful England are and how ORDINARY the ALl Blacks are lol.
1 Dec 2012, 18:10 pm
@NZINCHINA-200: Wind your neck in. You’re on the wrong side of a poesklap here.
1 Dec 2012, 18:11 pm
@Slumtown-207: Folks too used to bleat about the ref that can’t fathom others may do otherwise.
1 Dec 2012, 18:11 pm
Imagine what france will do to the all blacks…. Eish
1 Dec 2012, 18:11 pm
Some cringeworthy comments here guys, the ABs loss is not a reflection on the Boks! We were comfortably 2nd best to them this year.
1 Dec 2012, 18:11 pm
@john123-204:
Ag John, the poms, both supporters and players, will be so full of themselves after this it will not be funny. Watch this space. It is so typical and probably one of the main reasons for English players weak mental state. They talk themselves up till no end, and then some more when they lose, but never take it to the next level.
Lets see what they say and DO after this.
I guarantee not a lot.
1 Dec 2012, 18:12 pm
When last did England look this good?
1 Dec 2012, 18:12 pm
@Big Hit-197: Well done and congratulations, Big Hit, this is sensational performance by the youngsters.
1 Dec 2012, 18:12 pm
@Slumtown-207: Ah, my bad then.
1 Dec 2012, 18:12 pm
@Hurricane-206: gracious hurricane, maybe the ABs are a little off-colour who knows.
This England team are far from the finished article as previous results show, but this is a much needed boost for Lancaster, Catt and Farrell Sr and hopefully they can kick on from here.
1 Dec 2012, 18:13 pm
@The Analyst-216: But that said – the English players needed SOMETHING to go with the hype …. as not much has happened for them this autumn.
1 Dec 2012, 18:13 pm
Vunipola is a cluts every time have seen him on the field.
1 Dec 2012, 18:13 pm
Katgirl nothing changes here we still own you.
1 Dec 2012, 18:13 pm
Stupid by Vunipola. Allowing the ABs to reduce the embarrassment.
1 Dec 2012, 18:14 pm
@suffer_guy-214: You can do all the imagination fantasy stuff. I’ll congratulate England on a Stella performance, every dog has its day, and the English Bulldog had his today. Good on England.
1 Dec 2012, 18:14 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell-215:
Yeah, we have been good this year, but this game i dont think we managed to get up for it.
I know we can play alot better but seems the English had other ideas and not let us play.
1 Dec 2012, 18:14 pm
5 minutes with 14 men
England can still chuck this game from here
Idiots
1 Dec 2012, 18:14 pm
Your as good as your last fight/game…. History is history… Boks beat england…. England killes nz…. Bok befok
1 Dec 2012, 18:15 pm
12/1 odds….. Lol
1 Dec 2012, 18:15 pm
Barmy Army
1 Dec 2012, 18:15 pm
@Big Hit-220: Lets see Big Hit. Somehow I doubt it.
ABs were clearly off tonight – in a major way. Everyone has to admit that.
But kudos to the young poms – they played very well.
I want to see humility, humbleness etc. etc. and then them kicking on from here with actions on the field, NOT TALKING.
1 Dec 2012, 18:15 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell-215: yeah well said – belittling a great team does not somehow make us a better team. We have to earn that. Tough luck Blacks but they defintiely dont look themselves today.
1 Dec 2012, 18:15 pm
England being silly now, they should be going for absolute humiliation of New Zealand while the chance is there, not stupid drop kicks….
1 Dec 2012, 18:16 pm
@Big Hit-220:
Yeah we may have been off but we have still won against good teams not playing our best.
The English took the opportunities and we paid the price
1 Dec 2012, 18:16 pm
awesome offload Vito
1 Dec 2012, 18:16 pm
wel done poms…
1 Dec 2012, 18:16 pm
Wow… that was bad
1 Dec 2012, 18:16 pm
Superb by Vito.
1 Dec 2012, 18:17 pm
FFS England dont get complacent!
People need to stop with this “English arrogrance” myth yh a few years ago but this new team and supporters aren’t arrogrant at all
1 Dec 2012, 18:17 pm
Some patriotic England fans are going to make a pile of money.
1 Dec 2012, 18:18 pm
@Hurricane-226:
This is just what the ABs needed to move them to another level….. don’t worry mate.
They just were not in it and it seems there was probably some blame to the food poisoning.
I wish it had been the boks instead of the poms!! Damn! Not fair!
1 Dec 2012, 18:18 pm
@The Analyst-231: Yep all the puffing out of chests etc – i´d like to see them replicate this form next week (say against France) – lost by Whitelock – as I said sometimes everything kinda doesnt go your way.
What we need to do is show that we can match the All Blacks not in 1 match or in 1 Tri Nations but over a 4 year extended period. a 50% win rate would be the minimum one would have to achieve over 4 years and so far I havent seen us do that.
1 Dec 2012, 18:19 pm
On a positive note, 1) this won’t be record defeat, 2) finally the ABs will be able to get some rating points for subsequent wins in Rugby championship.
1 Dec 2012, 18:19 pm
yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 Dec 2012, 18:19 pm
Dropped by Vito a metre from the line – need I say more
1 Dec 2012, 18:19 pm
Another good thing is, we wont see poppa for a while
1 Dec 2012, 18:19 pm
@john123-239: You obviously don’t read the newspapers or watch any of the stupid interviews of the players.
1 Dec 2012, 18:20 pm
Congrats England
1 Dec 2012, 18:20 pm
Well done England! Best AB team ever? No way – not a patch on 2005.
1 Dec 2012, 18:20 pm
CONGRATULATIONS, ENGLAND, THE ENGLISH BLOGGERS and Poms in disguise.
1 Dec 2012, 18:21 pm
If you ever wondered what happened to Suzie after the 95 World Cup, now you know , she is in England.
1 Dec 2012, 18:21 pm
Well done England and supporters. That was a fantastic game of rugby.
Specially the Saffa and Samoan
1 Dec 2012, 18:21 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell-215:
Chill we/I’m having a bit of fun. 1 loss in 21 is no tragedy unless it’s a world cup final. It does however emphasise that all the doom and gloom last week was unwarranted. Unless keo en kie think that England have improved exponentially in a week. The AB’s got bullied today in the collision, no doubt but they also showed enough to suggest that they weren’t off form.
Good England win!
1 Dec 2012, 18:21 pm
@suffer_guy-246:
Yeah but the other side is you will be here with your English colours on….oh are you South African?
1 Dec 2012, 18:21 pm
@Slumtown-211:
AB’s are ordinary if Boks coach wouldn’t be such a useless conservative coward he wouldn’t suck up to this ordinaryness the way he does
Boks should fckup this ordinary AB side instead of licking their backsides the way some you suck ups do here.
1 Dec 2012, 18:21 pm
Congrats England – well done – first team to beat the All Blacks in 21 games. Take a bow.
1 Dec 2012, 18:22 pm
@Slumtown-242:
Agree 100% with you mate.
1 Dec 2012, 18:22 pm
@Nils-243: Record loss against England.
1 Dec 2012, 18:22 pm
@DEE DAH-253: true that
1 Dec 2012, 18:22 pm
@Hurricane-226: Cheer up Hurricane,
End of a great season, great run. Getting beat today only reminds the boys that there is plenty of room for improvement and that in itself is an exciting prospect for next season. We’ve become so use to seeing the W next to an AB column, a loss now can only benefit us for next time round. What’s worst though, is that we have to watch our cricket team now, God help us…
1 Dec 2012, 18:23 pm
@skopdiekan-255:
So what about the Ozzie team you lose to so often, are they too ordinary?
1 Dec 2012, 18:24 pm
@skopdiekan-255: How is this team ordianry Skop? If they are ordinary what would an amazing team look like? I´d like to know? I really would. Like I said when we achieve a minimum of a 50% win ratio vs the All Blacks at least over a 4 year period then I´ll say we have parity at least. Come on man. They are far from ordinary. I know we would be miles better with a better coach but calling a great team ordinary strikes me as rather purile.
1 Dec 2012, 18:25 pm
@CSI:Rugby-260:
1 Dec 2012, 18:25 pm
Effing supersport go to ads as they are about to interview McCaw. Morons
1 Dec 2012, 18:25 pm
Its a young team from England, the all Blacks front row has more caps then the whole England team! They have shown potential as well as a big lapses in judgement, but the its good to see young potential finally selected over old experience at last.
1 Dec 2012, 18:25 pm
Made my week.
1 Dec 2012, 18:26 pm
@hendrikp-266:
Havnt seen you for a while….. strange
1 Dec 2012, 18:26 pm
@DEE DAH-264: Indeed. The lunatics are running the asylum.
1 Dec 2012, 18:27 pm
I thought England had improved a lot since the SA tour and I’m not surprised by this win.
1 Dec 2012, 18:27 pm
BloodywellplayedthePoms.
You fellas have made sure Bakkies’s Xmas is a jolly one.
Personally, I hate it when ANY Southern Hemisphere team loses to them….but that’s just me.
1 Dec 2012, 18:28 pm
again well done England they put the Blacks to the sword and broke that 21 match streak by finally beating them. Hard luck All Blacks. I hope this is not the beginning of a downward spiral for them. Its tough sustaining dominance as can be seen by the rise and fall of empires. But I think the virus during the week played a fair role today. And everything seems to go against them today – knocks, dropped passes etc etc.
1 Dec 2012, 18:28 pm
Mccaw has more caps than the whole england team….n
1 Dec 2012, 18:29 pm
Kiwis played their worst game in 10 years, Poms played best in 25 years………
Poms dancing around like they just won the world cup……………..settle down girls, its one game!
1 Dec 2012, 18:30 pm
@Slumtown-271: There is no way this is a downturn for the All Blacks. They are champions, their run had to come to an end at some stage. Still the best in the world by a long way, but today is Englands day.
1 Dec 2012, 18:30 pm
@Hurricane-267:
Hey yeah been busy with work and all that you know! Bed time for me, getting dragged to the Thorndon Fair in a few hours
1 Dec 2012, 18:30 pm
Merry Christmas to one and all, shall banter and debate in the new year, Christmas present for the English fans come early and for some who love an AB defeat (patient bunch). Be safe, stay safe, don’t drink and drive, $&@$/#% black caps season just started… Hurry Up S15!!!!!
1 Dec 2012, 18:31 pm
@hendrikp-275:
lol
Well enjoy the fair mate.
1 Dec 2012, 18:32 pm
@suffer_guy-272:
Didnt think McCaw had over 200 caps?
Suffer guy, i know your team won today but please stop making stuff up.
1 Dec 2012, 18:32 pm
OMG! Somehow a team the Boks beat last week beating the AB’s makes HM a poor coach.
The guy has just taken over a team decimated by retirements/ injuries and overseas sojourns and he is a poor coach for losing 3 in 12. Two of those defeats against the AB’s when one of those games could easily have been a win but for Morne’s poor kicking. Can’t blame a coach for trusting a player who has won him trophies in the past he has moved on from Morne now, if he hadn’t you might have a point.
Btw HM’s record against England is played four one three drawn one. Perspective people.
1 Dec 2012, 18:32 pm
Damn the NZ supporters on the site are such hypocrites and are so bitter. If SA lose a game to any country you are here laying it on thick dissing SA with such purpose. When NZ get an absolute record wolloping by a ordinary England all of a sudden SA fan are not allow to reciprocate. You get so defensive it’s unbelievable. You really should learn to take it as good as you give it.
1 Dec 2012, 18:33 pm
Keo twats that England have played their 2015 final early
1 Dec 2012, 18:33 pm
@fogdog10-273: Hardly! The 2003 team was way better then this English team. That was THIS England team’s best performance.
1 Dec 2012, 18:33 pm
Proteas will beat the aussies, nz rugby lost…. What a awesome weekend!!!
1 Dec 2012, 18:34 pm
Nz sevens also 7 – 0 behind after 10 seconds… AIG must be kakking themself….
1 Dec 2012, 18:34 pm
5 -0
1 Dec 2012, 18:35 pm
@Slumtown-271:
I don’t think there is any danger of the AB’s going on a downward spiral.
1 Dec 2012, 18:35 pm
Well done SA.
1 Dec 2012, 18:35 pm
@soulfusion-280:
Who you talking about?
Dont see too many kiwis on here but me.
1 Dec 2012, 18:37 pm
@Hurricane-288:
OH NZchina is still here
1 Dec 2012, 18:38 pm
Perez killing nz sevens,… Ex ep kings boytjie…. Mooi geleer in die baai… Darkest day in nz rugby history…. Oh … Since 1995, where the thought they only need to pitch up to beat the boks…. Huge fail
1 Dec 2012, 18:38 pm
@CSI:Rugby-276: Same to you mate!!! All of the best throughout the festive season. And yessssssss, bring on the S15. 2013 is the year of the Stormers and the Blues – promise!
1 Dec 2012, 18:39 pm
Well played SA celebrate your great victory.
1 Dec 2012, 18:39 pm
@Hurricane-288:
Hurricane didn’t you know that the biggest concentration of kiwis outside of Auckland is the cape flats?
1 Dec 2012, 18:40 pm
You cant beat us but the Poms can.
1 Dec 2012, 18:41 pm
Well done SA?
What time is it in China
1 Dec 2012, 18:41 pm
@kaksioek-258: Yes, impressive win, good on them.
1 Dec 2012, 18:43 pm
@DEE DAH-293:
oh yes of course, good people them.
1 Dec 2012, 18:43 pm
Dee dah!
1 Dec 2012, 18:43 pm
Haahaa eat it you sourprick.
1 Dec 2012, 18:44 pm
@skopdiekan-255: Getting 50% win ratio at home vs them would be nice start.
1 Dec 2012, 18:44 pm
Puts Heyneke’s Boks performance in perspective. Well done England. This might play in AB heads come 2015.
1 Dec 2012, 18:47 pm
Is China the sourprick
1 Dec 2012, 18:47 pm
Alright, cheers everyone. Bad day for the ABs, good day for the English, upsets still do happen and this season there have been quite a lot of them.
Arrivederci
1 Dec 2012, 18:47 pm
@Big Jack-301:
3 years is a long time.
Dont think this game will play a part in the RWC.
HM performance cannot be justified cos of the ABs lost to England at Twickers.
1 Dec 2012, 18:48 pm
Holy **** – what a result. Knew I shoulda watched this.
Did McCheat get sent off or what?
1 Dec 2012, 18:48 pm
Ja nils you coward
1 Dec 2012, 18:49 pm
Heyneke beat England 3 times in 2012
1 Dec 2012, 18:50 pm
@cab-305:
NO, England played well.
NZ played average 80% of the game with some little flashes of what they did most the year.
1 Dec 2012, 18:50 pm
Well played SA.
1 Dec 2012, 18:51 pm
Does this make Hansen a bad coach? After 110 games with the team and few players missing?
1 Dec 2012, 18:51 pm
@Big Jack-307:
He did beat them ……. at home.
NZ beat you at home and away.
So if NZ walloped England today, would that mean accoding to you HMs year is a failure?
1 Dec 2012, 18:52 pm
@Big Jack-310:
NO, it means all teams can have an off day, cant blame Hansen cos of this loss.
1 Dec 2012, 18:52 pm
@NZINCHINA-309: Dry your eyes
1 Dec 2012, 18:53 pm
He beat them twice at home. My point is that I know HM is a good coach. You will not change my mind. Same with Hansen – good coacj
1 Dec 2012, 18:53 pm
That was the best game of rugby that was played all year.
Well done England. You were better in every facet of play and you won despite the All Blacks getting more than one dodgy reffing decision in their favour.
Incorrect call from the ref #1: England maul which was moving forwards 5m from the All Black line. Ref blew free kick to New Zealand. Incorrect call as the maul was moving forwards and could have been a try to England.
Incorrect call from th ref #2: Owen Farrell penalised incorrectly for entering the ruck from the side. Cameras showed Farrel entering through the gate. The All Blacks scored their first try from this penalty.
Incorrect call from the ref #3: All Blacks awarded a free kick from which they scored their 3rd try, however, they were in possession at the ruck. The correct call is to award the defending team the free kick when the ball won’t come out of the ruck.
The score line could have been much bigger.
Well done England.
1 Dec 2012, 18:53 pm
@Hurricane-311: Meyer also beat England in England.
1 Dec 2012, 18:54 pm
Hurricane
Was barnesey officiating then? I can’t understand this – dies this mean SA are now back at No 1
1 Dec 2012, 18:54 pm
HM year not a failure. Regardless of what happened today
1 Dec 2012, 18:54 pm
313 you cant win all the time just most of the time, enjoy your victory you cant beat us but the Poms can.
1 Dec 2012, 18:56 pm
@Dawn-302:
1 Dec 2012, 18:56 pm
Read
My post Hurricane. I’m saying Hansen is a good coach.
1 Dec 2012, 18:56 pm
@kaksioek-316:
But how can people compare the Boks and ABs with games played against England?
@cab-317:
No way. You guys actually need to beat NZ once in a while.
1 Dec 2012, 18:57 pm
Bye- bye
1 Dec 2012, 18:57 pm
@cab-317: Provisional latest IRB World Rankings
(Official rankings will be published at 12:00 UK time on Monday 3 December, on irb.com)
1 NEW ZEALAND – 90.08
2 SOUTH AFRICA – 86.94
3 AUSTRALIA – 86.87
4 FRANCE – 85.07
5 ENGLAND – 83.90
6 IRELAND – 80.22
7 SAMOA – 78.71
8 ARGENTINA – 78.71
9 WALES – 78.39
10 ITALY – 76.24
11 TONGA – 76.10
12 SCOTLAND – 75.83
1 Dec 2012, 18:57 pm
@Big Jack-323:
Cya Jack
1 Dec 2012, 18:58 pm
@Hurricane-322: Clutching at straws, really. Makes you wonder what would have happened if ABs played England four times this year like SA did though.
1 Dec 2012, 18:59 pm
But we beat NZ last year and England for the last 3 years – these rankings are poked.
1 Dec 2012, 19:00 pm
Samoa win Dubai Sevens.
1 Dec 2012, 19:00 pm
326 well played you should be proud tonight of your performance.
1 Dec 2012, 19:01 pm
@cab-327: Are you mad? We lost 3 games this year and drew 2. NZ lost 1 and drew 1. How could SA be above NZ in the rankings?
1 Dec 2012, 19:02 pm
O vok they just lost the 7′s cup final too
1 Dec 2012, 19:02 pm
@NZINCHINA-329: Thanks mate. I’d like to thank your parents, for believing in you when nobody else did. They made you the blogger you are today. Cry me a river!
1 Dec 2012, 19:03 pm
@kaksioek-326:
Well all i know they would not have beaten us earlier in the season like they did tonight. In AB terms, it was a flogging.
1 Dec 2012, 19:04 pm
@cab-327:
lol
Cab, you have no clue how the ranking work….
1 Dec 2012, 19:04 pm
@Hurricane-333: Yes, out of character. Puts a bit of a blemish on the season and it sucks that it is the last Test for the year.
1 Dec 2012, 19:05 pm
I’ve never seem any side snatch victory from the jaws of defeat as today in oz v welshie game – what in gods name were the welsh thinking, Ozzie literally has to score a try from their half of the field with 34s remaining.
I think The Bokke are the best ter wereld and they ain’t even picking or playing to their full potential.
1 Dec 2012, 19:06 pm
322 I have to go bed time here, enjoy your victory well played mate at least the Poms could take us something you couldnt do dont forget that.
1 Dec 2012, 19:07 pm
@kaksioek-324: French are a far better team then the Aussies, but IRB rankings have always been dodgy.
1 Dec 2012, 19:08 pm
@NZINCHINA-337: Yes, nightie night snookums. Your team got a hiding from the fifth-ranked team in the world – remember that.
1 Dec 2012, 19:11 pm
Boks end year with cleansheet.
Oo gaats tyd vir vry.. english rose or not.
1 Dec 2012, 19:13 pm
@cab-336:
Well Cab, thinking and being the best team in the world is two different things.
@HongKongSlong-338:
It goes on consistency in winning and who you beat. Nothing dodgy about it, simple to understand.
Only thing is dodgy about it is the double points in RWC games.
1 Dec 2012, 19:13 pm
339 happy to concede that, doesnt change the fact that we own you though does it? night anteater
1 Dec 2012, 19:15 pm
@NZINCHINA-342: Well, if you’re happy I’m happy. Too bad that is the Test everyone will remember until next year – isn’t it? Hope I’m not keeping you up!
1 Dec 2012, 19:15 pm
AB’s had to get complacent eventually. More a case of AB’s having a poor game than England being the next big thing.
1 Dec 2012, 19:18 pm
Indeed.
If that’s all you’ve got you should probably pack up your toys and head home.
1 Dec 2012, 19:22 pm
You Saffa fans creaming your panties because the ABs lost are pathetic, get a life. The ABs are the best team in the world by a mile and I’d rather congratulate them on an amazing run of victories. Well done!
(From a Bok fan)
1 Dec 2012, 19:23 pm
@Slumtown-262: because Boks strategies are ordinary and got a thick useless conservative coach don’t make AB’s less ordinary
Boks should smack this AB team same way England did today far more often if they had any belief they could.. instead they suck up to the ordinaryness because they think like you do that AB’s are out of this world superlative invincible..
If Boks coach would utilize our talents to the max instead if hampering our potential with their fear factor rugby we would not be as ordinary as we are.. and wouldn’t lose to NZ or Aussie as often as we do.
1 Dec 2012, 19:24 pm
They can’t be the best team in the world – England just slaughtered them ..
1 Dec 2012, 19:26 pm
@skopdiekan-347:
So everyone is ordinary….thats fair.
Looks like the ordinary ABs are the best out of the ordinary bunch
1 Dec 2012, 19:27 pm
I actually had a pretty convincing gut feel England would win today.. didn’t think by this much but when I sat down with my mate to watch before kick off I said to him that I reckon England would win today and when the crowd drowned out the Haka it was a sign for the rest of the match that AB’s wouldn’t be anywhere near with any shout.
1 Dec 2012, 19:27 pm
Look, my take on it is this: The ABs are clearly the best team in the world, as they almost always are, but the overall standard at the moment is not particularly high. I believe the top 3 teams were all better last year than they are this year.
1 Dec 2012, 19:27 pm
@cab-348:
So are England the best in the world?
SA cant be, we beat you guys 2 out of 2 this year.
Are you trolling or are you really having problems with the simplicity of IRB rankings?
1 Dec 2012, 19:32 pm
@kaksioek-351:
Yep, i think GH had the AB team humming, better than Hansen. Plus Hansen is a big mouth.
1 Dec 2012, 19:33 pm
@Hurricane-349: in a crowd of ordinaryness AB’s fluked it more often than anyone else.. France were on top in the WC final but Craig Joubert made certain that AB’s would get the crown in spite of playing ordinary rugby while France were reading them the riot act..
Boks have been ordinary since Mallet started believing his own psyche that he was invincible in 1998
If Boks would select their best players every time instead of dumb idiot coaches ruining the game here we would not be as ordinary as we have been for so long
England showed today how ordinary AB’s can be if the game is taken to them and never let up.. Boks should do it every time but Boks worst enemy is actually themselves.. they don’t have the self belief nor the correct positive attributes to play rugby the way it should be played off the front foot and not playing to damage control defensive cowardly strategies like we do under the last spate or negative defense only oriented coaches.
1 Dec 2012, 19:34 pm
@Hurricane-353: Hansen is benefiting from continuity, Deans seems to have run out of ideas and Meyer has yet to have an idea.
1 Dec 2012, 19:36 pm
This England team with the mix of some exciting youth in this new Lancaster team can actually become one of the top teams in the world..
They will do France more often than the other way around.
Pity SA got such thick coaches because they should never be as ordinary as we have shown since we stopped playing positive proactive rugby in 1999
1 Dec 2012, 19:37 pm
@NZINCHINA-309: You are embarrassing yourself
1 Dec 2012, 19:37 pm
The ABs, like the Boks have had a long season (one game more than us), and England is just staring theirs with a few games to get into their stride. I reckon Lancaster is moving in the right direction compared to HM who is still in a holding pattern of defensive rugby.
1 Dec 2012, 19:37 pm
@skopdiekan-354:
Ok we are ordinary and fluked wins.
Lets see next year
1 Dec 2012, 19:43 pm
So surely this is a far more poignant and relevant thread than that hore fest of nonsensical nothingness racking up garbage posts for the sake of some kindergarten fantasies of continuous idiocy
how about they take this thread on till S15 rugby kicks off in February .. the day the AB’s got hammered by a new look England.. surely that would be a far more fitting tribute to the value of endless repetitive rugby banter ad infinitude on this medium where supreme blogging invincibility tends to be the latest fad of the century
1 Dec 2012, 19:44 pm
Well done England
deserved winners
Too good for the Blacks today
1 Dec 2012, 19:45 pm
@skopdiekan-350:
I thought the drowning out of the Haka would have the opposite effect, as in p.issing the AB’s off.
Can’t say I’m a fan of that, similar to our crowds singing Ole Ole Ole during it.
Did work for England today
1 Dec 2012, 19:45 pm
Farell showed today why he was more deserving of his IRB player of the year nomination then McCheat and Dim Carter!
1 Dec 2012, 19:46 pm
@nortierd-362: If you can stand up to it properly, you can actually unsettle them big time. The French have done this once or twice over the years.
1 Dec 2012, 19:47 pm
@David-358: Lancaster is way ahead of Meyer he at least tries to use some flair and creativity in his strategies.. he has made some mistakes like trying too much too soon.. but I far rather have the coach err on the side of optimistic positive approach than keep stuck in the fear of losing defensive mechanisms that throttle and cut off the blood supply to our recent rugby thinking.
1 Dec 2012, 19:48 pm
Hurricane ou boet You are only as good as your last game as they say in the republic, and we both played the same opponent.
1 Dec 2012, 19:49 pm
@skopdiekan-356:
Do you think White was thick Skop?
I think he did well considering where we were before he took over.
Can’t argue your point with Straulli and Divvie.
HM, too soon to give a fair judgement, next year should tell
1 Dec 2012, 19:51 pm
@nortierd-367: HM has shown he’s just far too conservative already. I really doubt he will change that mindset in his selections, unless his hand is forced.
1 Dec 2012, 19:52 pm
Well done England. All blacks looked ordinary but this defeat was sorely needed… by world rugby!
1 Dec 2012, 19:53 pm
@HongKongSlong-364:
Yep, from the opposing players, yes.
I’m referring to the crowd.
Get worried if our crowd starts singing we are the Champions before a kick off or even before the final whistle.
But it’s all in good fun and it’s nice if it works out
1 Dec 2012, 19:55 pm
Today’s performance was a masterclass from England.
They played territory when they needed to, they ran the ball when they needed to, they offloaded in the tackle, they competed at the breakdown, contested at the lineouts, they did the hard graft first and then used the space they had created. The put so much pressure on the All Blacks that we saw them knocking on and getting penalised more than they have done the entire year. England took their opportunities, they were hard and physical and put the All Blacks to the sword.
And they did all of this despite the reffing going the way of the All Blacks.
A brilliant performance. The best rugby that has been played the entire year.
Well done England.
1 Dec 2012, 19:56 pm
@nortierd-367: White was super thick stuck in the same principles that drive Meyers thinking.. fear of losing defense wins games backward thinking rugby… Jones turned Whites rugby fortunes around.. today White has learned that rugby is not about size or above tenacity or above ability or skill.. he has only lately learned that modern rugby needs to be played with ball possession rather than by playing without the ball as he advocated before Jones taught him pretty much all he knows.
1 Dec 2012, 20:03 pm
@skopdiekan-372:
If you could nominate a coach, or coaching staff, who would you appoint.
For the Boks that is
1 Dec 2012, 20:04 pm
White way more attacking-minded, but the players respect HM more, i aint seen such hero worship since the days of PW – and that counts for a shitload.
1 Dec 2012, 20:05 pm
If NZ wins he says SA is ****
If NZ loses to ENG he says SA is ****…
anyone that dislikes SA that much can only live on the cape flats… NZ not in CHINA.
which is quite sad actually.
1 Dec 2012, 20:07 pm
I see they still kicking that dead horse hore se moer thread for some brain dead delusions of a blogging fantasy of superlative longevity legacy idiocy.
if that isn’t some childish dumdum delusions of blogging brainlessness then I cannot honestly think what else is.
1 Dec 2012, 20:09 pm
@skopdiekan-376:
Don’t think the thread is about the numbers anymore, just people having a good yarn
1 Dec 2012, 20:14 pm
@nortierd-373:
Meyer might have some qualified credentials in terms of overall psychological input though I don’t like his limited family type closed shop ideological approach he is too conservative for my liking and his strategical thinking has shown massive flaws first year up
He should have people like Brendan Venter for backs and his scrumming coach is OK in Pieter De Villiers but his attack coach should not be his forwards coach.. that is just seriously backward thinking negative and conservative tendencies.
Mallet would be a good head coach with Venter for backs and Nienaber for defense with Meyer or De Villiers or even Proudfoot for forwards.
I just don’t like Meyers ultra conservative and old school laager type ingrained so called ‘ traditionalist’ type ideology.
1 Dec 2012, 20:16 pm
@nortierd-377: its actually childish that thing is dead and buried old hat 3rd page off the front page and now its just a continuity if silly escapade for some kind of inane longevity record… don’t make sense to my way of thinking..
this thread at least is current so why they continue posting on that dead hore’s horse is beyond me or any reasonable rationality
1 Dec 2012, 20:19 pm
@skopdiekan-378:
Very valid.
I also think HM should be in the studio and Mallet the coach.
Even guys like Mitchell or Plum have a more liberal approach to the game.
Venter, yes, probably the best guy for the backs.
1 Dec 2012, 20:20 pm
Fark, maybe they will give Owen Farrell the player of the year award on the basis of this game. That will be absurd.
1 Dec 2012, 20:20 pm
The Boks won against the Pom last week despite Nigel Owen and having to carry 3 tokens in their line up
The ABs faced same problem but lost, and they were better rested than the Boks since not having the CC competition during Sept-Oct
The ABs handling errors were baffeling, ball retention after contact poor, they missed tackles aplenty just like De Jongh @ Mvovo and Co.
But they still be able to beat the Boks 9 out of 10.
1 Dec 2012, 20:21 pm
@skopdiekan-379:
Don’t begrudge them.
I had some serious laughs over the last couple of days over there.
Nice escapism from the all the other serious stuff going on
1 Dec 2012, 20:28 pm
Boks beat themselves most times .. their conservative fear of losing cowardice kills off their psychological potential and keeps them playing rugby off the back foot because they are too chicken to play with the ball and attack spaces
England showed today a mix of forward and collision adrenalin aptitude together with carrying the ball through the midfield and through the backs is more balanced and more promising than slick fancy footwork and offload tricky rugby
Basic 15 man game PLUS belief in player and running capability beats either one dimensional 10 man rugby OR flashy slick basket ball type super duper fancy footwork rugby
That is what SA rugby should attempt to generate.. flat out 15 man no compromise rugby. As they used to do in the old days before Markgraaf, Streauli, White, Meyer and co. killed off traditional 15 man old school dominating SA rugby
1 Dec 2012, 20:30 pm
@nortierd-383: escapism is fine.. continuity of silly childishness is just that.. continuity of silly childish attempt for I don’t know what exactly.
1 Dec 2012, 20:35 pm
@kaksioek-351:
i think u are right, but if meyer picked and played right, boks would be top of the heap – also dunno why ABs persisting with umanaga and smith with the likes of SBW and kahui. then again france gave wallabies an almighty hammering so maybe they coming thru.
1 Dec 2012, 20:38 pm
SAW THIS COMING A MILE OFF…..LOVE IT X 10000!
average kiwi team , we just need to play the right game plan and we moer them 6 love….
1 Dec 2012, 20:41 pm
read is cometely overrated. mccaw is too old, savea is nothing special and completely out of kilter considering the strikerruners NZ have had in the past, its the most underpowered AB locking partnership in memory
1 Dec 2012, 20:42 pm
@grant10-387: yeah I had quite a strong gut feel before the game that England were gonna take the AB’s today.. I just didn’t expect it to be by so much
once you get AB’s rattled and you don’t let up (like we do far too often) then they get shaken up and start dropping balls and missing kicks and looking as ordinary as they actually are.
1 Dec 2012, 20:44 pm
England have a very nice blend of youthful rugby potential coming through Lancaster is doing a fine job of getting his best talents to mold together into a committed comprehensive squad
Now Meyer must just get his blindfold fear and conservative cowardice off his closed minded brain and we could do pretty much better than we showed this year.
1 Dec 2012, 20:49 pm
Congrats pommy Kents.
We needed a good beating,now we can start all over again. Always gets difficult when you havn’t lost a game for 400 days or so. You start wondering when it’s going to happen and it’s hard to have the same hunger.
Poor preparation, with half the team at a Rolling Stones concert mid week and another bunch on the town watching a Chelsea match.
Fair dues, the English wanted it more and had more desire..
The ABs are far better to watch after a couple of defeats.
C’est la vie……. Bring on our next opponent
1 Dec 2012, 20:51 pm
England asked questions today to which New Zealand had no answers I’m afraid.
An absolutely superb performance from the Poms. They were brutal and urgent and have recorded an historic win.
The IRB has been very lenient against the All Blacks in recent weeks. Unfortunately for New Zealand, Englanbd were not as forgiving.
Let us not forget that the scoreline today flattered New Zealand hugely. I note that a possible 21 points could be added to the difference today due to refereeing “errors”.
Well done England.
1 Dec 2012, 20:52 pm
Watching Oz against Wales – Oz are dire.
1 Dec 2012, 20:54 pm
@bokke baiter-391:
master baiter, since when you an AB fan? i thought u hail from krugersdorp?
1 Dec 2012, 20:55 pm
73 minutes gone and Oz only had 9 points on the board.
1 Dec 2012, 20:55 pm
And England ladies whitewash the Blackferns 3-0. GREAT day for English rugby (except the 7′s!)
1 Dec 2012, 20:56 pm
@grant10-387: It must be amazing being a clairvoyant,did you see that snotting you got in Soweto coming too..no,cause your just a Knobhead
1 Dec 2012, 20:56 pm
Barnes and Beale both took football dives in the game.
1 Dec 2012, 20:59 pm
@cab-394: Go hail a Cab
1 Dec 2012, 21:00 pm
@bokke baiter-397: Put your toys back in your pram.
1 Dec 2012, 21:00 pm
FOUR HUNDRED
What a fcking star I am
go for a blogging record.. who’s counting ???
1 Dec 2012, 21:01 pm
77 minutes gone and Wales have a lineout 5 metres from the Oz line. They win it – how did they lose from here?
1 Dec 2012, 21:01 pm
@kaksioek-398:
barnes’ should be embaressed, aussiebattler’s can be real baby sometimes. mind you old brussow, habana and fdp were’nt doing too bad at one stage. i thought it was the oscars, u only do that in front of your home crowd, and then only if u got no self-respect.
1 Dec 2012, 21:02 pm
@skopdiekan-401: Skop I completely agree with you about Tuilagi moving to 12 and Jonathan Joseph coming in at 13.
Although today, I thought Barritt was superb. The perfect player for today’s type of game which was a victory built on a platform of brutal defence.
1 Dec 2012, 21:02 pm
@skopdiekan-401: Hard luck, Skop.
1 Dec 2012, 21:02 pm
@Kaizan-400: oh sorry I missed.. too bad perhaps some immaculate blogging purpose was out of line with my inane intention
1 Dec 2012, 21:03 pm
@HongKongSlong-396: woman’s rugby is plain `Wrong’
1 Dec 2012, 21:04 pm
@bokke baiter-399:
dont be a sore loser, it was a good old hammering, stop crying like a baby baiter.
1 Dec 2012, 21:04 pm
Wales put on a masterclass of losing when it was easier to win. Sublime.
1 Dec 2012, 21:04 pm
@bokke baiter-407: Changing the subject to Women’s rugby won’t help your cause. You lost against England in that code too.
1 Dec 2012, 21:06 pm
Ouch that was painful. We were hammered….
Carter missing two penalty kicks in the first half certainly didn’t help. Giving England a 15 point lead in the first half was too much to come back from. Carter missing as the English kicked their goals also gave the English self belief.
Well played England they played some great rugby, in both the backs and the forwards. The English pack was awesome, really kept the abs out of the game.
I think this settles the argument – this AB side is not as good as the 96/97 side. In a similar sort of game, and with their captain on the sideline, that AB side clawed back a large early deficit to salvage a draw and an unbeaten season. This team couldn’t do that (not enough class in our forwards being the difference I think).
Off to sulk. For the rest of the day.
1 Dec 2012, 21:07 pm
@corporal punishment-411: You’re English. Be merry and rejoice.
1 Dec 2012, 21:07 pm
@Kaizan-410: the subject was already created
1 Dec 2012, 21:07 pm
@bokke baiter-413: The point remains.
1 Dec 2012, 21:08 pm
@skopdiekan-401:
Ha ha
That’s the spirit
1 Dec 2012, 21:08 pm
@Kaizan-404:
yeah Barrit had a lucky break because Farrell put him neatly into a barn door gap which he made the most of.. Barrit is a decent work like center but no game breaker..
the times that Tuilagi takes the ball hard through 2nd receiver channel like he did when he ran straight over Carter makes him the ultimate No.12 and then a silky flyer like Brown or Joseph should take off at outside center outside him.
and that new no. 10 Burns looks like a good backup to Farrell with more of an adventurous and open game playing feel.. I thought Lancaster made a mistake taking Farrell and Tuilagi off but the replacements did pretty OK
1 Dec 2012, 21:09 pm
i had a feeling the ABs would not get up for this one and england would. just forgot to make the darned bet.
well done england. you give us all hope! lets hope meyer gets our back firing, coz when we learn to use all that ball… we’ll be pretty damn potent.
1 Dec 2012, 21:09 pm
And then the crowd full of sore losers booed Sharpe for taking the conversion of Beale’s winning try in his 116th and very last Test and the commentator says Sharpe – and not the booing crowd – is being disrespectful!
Fark me, what a bunch of losers the Welsh are.
1 Dec 2012, 21:09 pm
Well well well…….nobody would have predicted this. England you have made international rugby interesting again.
1 Dec 2012, 21:10 pm
@corporal punishment-411:
Think Carter got a copy of ” kicking and coaching how to kick my way” from Louis Koen in his Christmas stocking
1 Dec 2012, 21:13 pm
@skopdiekan-416: Yeah I thought it was a bold call bringing the replacements on in a game like this but Lancaster seems to know what he is doing and he got the win, so credit to him.
England were well and truly up for it today. They put a lot of pressure on the ABs and forced them into errors and they were hungry for the full 80 minutes. I thought it was a brilliant performance.
England are starting to look like a really decent team with Lancaster there.
1 Dec 2012, 21:13 pm
@kaksioek-418:
lol – the best are those two braindead commentators, its eddie butler and that punchdrunk hooker moore, the old stereotypical rugby boofheads.
1 Dec 2012, 21:15 pm
@Delki-419: Actually a few of us predicted this, myself included. Go ask Poppa about the discussion he and I had before today’s game.
1 Dec 2012, 21:17 pm
alarm set for 4 am
Go Amla, Kallis and the boys…moer hulle
1 Dec 2012, 21:19 pm
@grant10-424:
are u crazy getting up at that time? i thought we were getting moered…
1 Dec 2012, 21:24 pm
All Blacks = chokers.
Win streak recod… Choke.
Unbeaten season… Choke.
Congrats to the pommies. They played the type of rugby we have been wanting to play but have had too brain-dead a coach to actually facilitate it.
1 Dec 2012, 21:33 pm
@john123-239: I agree with you ,there is no arrogance in this side coaching staff and its not encouraged or tolerated between the players. I personally find english rugy supporters the most civilised in the world. Some club games total silence when kickers line up to kick, compare that to the histerical booing you get everywhere else. Do not forget this young english team run OZ and SA close but for some inexperience decicion making. I got a feeling english rugby is much healthier now than it ever were. 2003 were full of superstars,these guys are mostly ordinary but are playing for each other. The all blacks were not bad today they were outplayed and outmuscled everywhere. They were talking about their legacy all week, well here’s one for the legacy. Well done England.
1 Dec 2012, 21:38 pm
@cab-425: We’re in prime position against the Aussies !!!
1 Dec 2012, 21:40 pm
@skopdiekan-389:
Of course you did you old phony.
1 Dec 2012, 21:46 pm
@Slumtown-262: Slumtown imo you talk a lot of sense but you got your soft in the head moments.
1 Dec 2012, 21:51 pm
No sign of poppa? Must be eating **** filled humble pie…
1 Dec 2012, 21:52 pm
@grant10-387: Six love – LOL. Just a reminder – it’s England who won, for your lot it’s 0-2.
@kaksioek-409: Unfortunately, Welsh are chokers this year, at least fourth time they simply hand victory to Australia in dying moments.
@corporal punishment-411: Yup, only for 10 mins they played like we were expecting (and scored 2 tries during that time), other 70 mins English were better, simple as that. It happens once in a while.
@Dawn-306: Ease up Dawn.
1 Dec 2012, 22:02 pm
@NZINCHINA-287: And well done to you.
1 Dec 2012, 22:05 pm
@bokke baiter-407: You like them better barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen hey? Oaf.
1 Dec 2012, 22:07 pm
@ryecatcher-433: You utter tool
1 Dec 2012, 22:14 pm
Calm down Keo all this talk of mortals and immortals. I think you’ve been reading to many Marvel comics. It’s only a game mate. You sound a little pulverised. (Your new fav word by the sounds)To many gin and tonics today me thinks.
1 Dec 2012, 22:16 pm
@bokke baiter-436: And you sound sour,not a little either batman.
1 Dec 2012, 22:48 pm
@bokke baiter-436: Sounds like you are in denial on the pumeling.
1 Dec 2012, 22:49 pm
@jet jungle-437: Never mind him. His head hasn’t computed the beating. Poor man.
1 Dec 2012, 22:55 pm
@mikeybrass-439: Anybody that hangs around this site do not see rugby as just a game.;)
1 Dec 2012, 23:16 pm
England didn’t win by grinding it out in a dour grunty forward war of attrition. NZ were outrazzled and outdazzled — beaten at their own game by men in white who laughed and smiled and who played with astounding confidence and great skill. It wasn’t even close.
1 Dec 2012, 23:17 pm
didnt see the game, but congratulations England.. sounds like the ABs were completely outplayed..
good result for them…
1 Dec 2012, 23:28 pm
The French demolition of Australia three weeks ago was even superior to this magnificernt English performance and, so sadly, it seems like very few people saw it. On that day they would have done the same to the All Blacks.
On another note, Jean de Villiers should be stripped of his Springbok captaincy with immediate effect for publicly implying New Zealand were unbeatable; England believed, and playing very similarly the style of Bok sides that beat NZ, showed that passion, courage and 110% from ALL the players in a team for the ENTIRE game will win a match, everytime. Nobody, without exception nobody with the honour of captaining the Springboks, should ever feel the other side is better and unbeatable: disgraceful, unacceptable thing to say Jean.
For the rest of us we will need to appreciate that England’s mentality and pyschology, not to mention their huge forwards and natural talents, are now harnessed and will move to the next level – and must surely put them as one of the favourites, at Twickenham, to recpature the World Cup.
1 Dec 2012, 23:34 pm
@J.B. Cowper-443: This was a very similar performance to some of the Boks greatest performances. England were wounded and written off by everyone and they came out passionately super charged and blew the All Blacks away. Do the Boks have a lack of passion under Meyer?
1 Dec 2012, 23:36 pm
England end NZs unbeaten run in the AI’s, which goes back to 2004 I think..
good result for rugby, and will be interested to see how the English side kick on from this, should give them confidence going into the 6Nations…
Commiserations ABs, no excuses, lost to the better team on the day..
1 Dec 2012, 23:37 pm
@J.B. Cowper-443: have to agree with that tonight’s performance was everything that makes the game beautiful.
1 Dec 2012, 23:44 pm
wow
yesterday i put $2 on an outside chance bet that england would win by 10+, man city would draw, Indiana pacers to beat the kings and now if the west indies win it could return close $4000 …im not holding my breath
but wow a stupid punt could turn out to be a smart one.
oh just to cover my backside i did put another $2 with the ABs winning and all the others the same that was going to come back $27 teehee
1 Dec 2012, 23:54 pm
@poppa69-445:
@poppa69-442:
I told you so.
1 Dec 2012, 23:58 pm
Lovely to see the united nations of the pacific rugby team loose today , well played england, pity Hore got another joke of a suspension.
2 Dec 2012, 00:00 am
@TheTackler-441: “NZ were outrazzled and outdazzled — beaten at their own game by men in white who laughed and smiled…”
Sounds like a *** pride parade, Tackles.
2 Dec 2012, 00:20 am
@Kaizan-448: I dont recall you telling me that England would thump the ABs..
but regardless, one loss and a draw in 14 tests still makes me awfully proud of my team.. maintaniing their 80-85% win record..
we played two tests more then SA and lost two tests less..
would be happy with that type of season every season..
2 Dec 2012, 00:37 am
Beeeeaaauuutiful, just watched the replay……….the most arrogant up themselves team just got their a rse handed to them……..fantastic!
2 Dec 2012, 00:40 am
Well done England!I didnt see the game but it sounds like we got a right royal rodgering.Great to see that rugby isnt turning into a one horse race.Heres hoping that the Boks and Wallabys Step up next year and create an awsome rugby season.Again Well done England and all there supporters.
2 Dec 2012, 00:40 am
@poppa69-451: AB midfield defence awful.Still No.1
2 Dec 2012, 00:51 am
Oh! dear how da mighty have fallen. Tackler no where to be seen ouch.
2 Dec 2012, 00:57 am
#451 nah don”t think so . Game against oz few weeks back hurt and this is even worse and to be spanked by a pom team that got pummeled by the boks is not going to go down to well in sheep land but hey it happens .
2 Dec 2012, 01:00 am
The All Blacks looked faded.They missed tackles and it almost appeared
that they had not shaken off the effect of the stomach bug. As usual Mark
Keohane is reading far too much in England’s performance. The fact is England
lost against The Aussies and Boks.
Just as one swallow does not make summer England’s performance against a jaded All Black team does not mean that they are now on top of the rugby world.
These teams have now played each other 35 times of which the Poms have won 7 and the men in Black 27 with one draw, with 831 points against 462 in favour of NZ ,now that is a pulverising record to be proud of.
2 Dec 2012, 01:02 am
#457 Yip that pretty much sums it up spot on.
2 Dec 2012, 01:05 am
@pompies-455: See 441.
2 Dec 2012, 01:10 am
Oh come now, “jaded and feeling the after effects of a bug” sound like a whinge/excuse to me. They got Pomped ……end of! Acknowledge that will ya brentie wentie
2 Dec 2012, 01:42 am
@brentie1: keo “reading far too much”? i’m sure the following words are in the above article.
” England’s win was their first against the All
Blacks and Springboks in 20 Tests so there
is no crisis in New Zealand rugby and there
certainly should not be any talk just yet of
England being World Champions in 2015.”
on the day England humiliated a full strength New Zealand team, they were ferocious at the collisions – tuilagi on carter being the pick of the lot.
2 Dec 2012, 01:47 am
Transie, do you think Carter is carrying an injury seeing as he bounced off tackles?
2 Dec 2012, 02:00 am
As long as we continue to own you guys. Then that’s all that matters. Be happy England beat us. But it wasn’t you guys.
2 Dec 2012, 02:01 am
@rugby fan-462: i have no idea tbh…if he is on the park i take it hansen feels he is good to go.
2 Dec 2012, 02:04 am
@NZRugby-463: it’s funny, everyone is allowed an opinion on how boring the boks are but it seems nobody should comment on new zealand being lacklustre for one match..
chin up…
2 Dec 2012, 02:09 am
Jip it was a full strength All Black team only on paper. The fact is ‘The All Blacks have been ravaged by a stomach virus just days before their final Test of the year against England.
Nineteen members of the 34-man extended squad and some management staff have been affected by the bug which team doctor Deb Robinson believes is a norovirus.’
Vomiting and diarrhoea kept the sick confined to their rooms, spending the majority of their day off either in bed or in the bathroom.’
Now the All Blacks are the first to admit that they were beaten by a better
team on the day, but the manner in which they just missed tackles was a clear indication that they were playing far below their normal standards, because England were beaten by both the second and third ranked teams,
who in turn were beaten by the NZ in the championships, not once but twice.
2 Dec 2012, 02:20 am
@Brentie1-466:
This’ll be the downfall of the kiwis.
Lack of humility…. looking for excuses.
Rather just face facts. They were embarrassed by a side which showed far more determination.
2 Dec 2012, 02:29 am
eish…the thing about history it does not reflect score with riders like “keewees were ravaged by gastro bug the week leading to the match”
2 Dec 2012, 02:42 am
Keo, really poor tone to this article, obviously a chip on your shoulder for some reason over nz. You dont get many opportunites to put the boot in to the AB’s so way you go you ********
2 Dec 2012, 02:48 am
@NZMaori-469: keo was obviously drunk when he penned this but please lose the preciousness too
2 Dec 2012, 03:42 am
@poppa69-451:
When we spoke about this match, I called England to win and they did. I didnt think it would be a thumping but I knew England would be up for it.
Congrats to the ABs on a superb year of rugby. Congrats to England on a memorable victory.
2 Dec 2012, 03:43 am
hendrk
lack of humility? like bok supporters who continually assert their better than the ABs.? you yourself dip this all the time, and it bites you every time too. I laugh at your arrogance.
Whatever. hahaha
actually I think the players themselves are pretty humble. NZ media a different story, but then, Bok media and supporters were so humble after winning three times against us years ago. you were one such humble supporter. you know, SA journalists saying NZ rugby was k@k, many a bokke supporter proclaiming a new world order.
fact is, the ABs have lost their first test in 21 games, people like whatever are eminently jealous of this fact and at the first opportunity highlight it so.
I do ask those who have been spouting the world rugby is not strong at the moment theory wether this still applies?
also, those comparing the bok to the ABs on the basis of results against Eng are poor supporters of the best game there is.
2 Dec 2012, 04:10 am
now to watch SA finish the job on the Aussies in the cricket. if they bat all day should set Aussie 500 with two days to bowl them out
Philander has had a great start to test cricket, enjoy watching him bowl. adds balance to the attack imo
2 Dec 2012, 04:12 am
also. this loss will be the first real test of Hansens coaching credentials. shame we have to wait until next season. still not sold on his coaching and that of his assistants.
2 Dec 2012, 04:31 am
Chortle chortle chortle.For once a ref stood up and didnt ref under pobs rule and look at the result.Many more to come.Hurrah hurrah.
2 Dec 2012, 04:47 am
go Hash….
2 Dec 2012, 04:59 am
All i can say is England got NZ on an average day and themselves played out of there skins.
It was a thrashing to say the least.
But what i dont understand is some SA bloggers are correct in saying NZ should have no excuses especially about the season being too long, but hasnt that been the same reason from the SA supporters why the boks over the last 5-6 years been beaten at the EOTY tours?
Why is it different now?
@whatever-452:
Why are we arrogant??
Tell me who in the AB team is arrogant and whay have they done to make you think this?
2 Dec 2012, 05:02 am
@NZRugby-463:
I believe there was a South African born player in the English team….. to some sickos on here this is a victory to SA. Just look at some of the posts, even the posts from the South Africans that live in NZ, pathetic really.
2 Dec 2012, 05:21 am
The Article has about 8 chapters that just say exactly the same thing? in a different context LMFAO.
You mention NZ wanting to play the perfect game about 15 times and you just keep on repeating it on and on.. its almost as pathetic as listening to some of these little NZ tits harp on about the same thing.
Did i mention you mentions the same thing so many times about how NZ wished they played the perfect game over and over?
all it honestly had to read was..
NZ Got smashed by the worst NH team out there?
2 Dec 2012, 05:22 am
@the authority-426:
Why the jealous post?
Why are we chokers? I thought we are an ordinary team that flukes wins.
Yet we choked cos we didnt get an unbeaten season. Remember we still have longest win streak for a tier 1 nation, as SA does.
2 Dec 2012, 05:23 am
@wls1-479:
England the worst NH team??
Are you serious?
2 Dec 2012, 05:28 am
@Hurricane-478: snivell snivell.
2 Dec 2012, 05:32 am
Hurri
don’t waste your breath
they are living vicariously through this victory
SA has beaten NZ 1 out of the last 8 tests
and Aussir have beaten them something like 8 from 10 tests
let them have their moment enjoying NZs first loss to any nation in 18 months
2 Dec 2012, 05:34 am
The two crash ball, hard tackled centres’ combo proved successful on the day for the Poms, similar to the Muller/Mulder partnership during Mallett time.
It might reassure HM to keep JdJ at all cost out and to use a similar concept that worked successfuly for him at the Bulls with the Nel/Walsh centres’ combo.
Big size and powerful backs proved everything again, could be the end of the ABs’ selection of Jane, Dagg, Smith & Smith in the same line up, Fruen time is around the corner!
Clancy contribution was about 14-21 points, let’s not get ahead of ourselves
2 Dec 2012, 05:38 am
spect but I have been saying for a while now this Kiwi team has flaws and once we stop putting them on a pedestal and start being braver and selecting properly we will be better than them….the Poms have provided a blueprint and watch 2013…….I see a big year for Boks and more consistent losses for Kiwis….they have weaknesses and will be exposed imo….
the Buly was well and truly bullied ….
Had a gut feel all week Poms were gonna pull this 1 off….gotta credit them Buldogs….
2 Dec 2012, 05:39 am
spect is respect
2 Dec 2012, 05:47 am
Boring Boks unbeaten and the best defence in the business… next stop putting together better attacking phase play… get rid of Loubscher and get an international back’s coach…
2 Dec 2012, 05:53 am
Chokers lol
Thank you England for giving me the hightlight of My year
2 Dec 2012, 05:53 am
Blacks front row totally owned at scrumtime
2 Dec 2012, 05:55 am
@Hondo-484:
Barritt isn’t exactly a big crash ball centre.
2 Dec 2012, 05:56 am
could it be that Horegate last week popped the fragile Kiwi confidence bubble (Didn’t see the game, but did Carter have those scared, teary, saucer eyes when they were losing??)
And Keo – really bad article – leave the crystal meth till after writing
2 Dec 2012, 05:56 am
Damn, I see Kallis has gone.
2 Dec 2012, 06:00 am
@poppa69-483: We will,ha ha ha.
2 Dec 2012, 06:06 am
@Hurricane-478:
Grow a set of balls boet……you sound like a whinging git!
2 Dec 2012, 06:08 am
@poppa69-473:
Were you not having a go at the Proteas just last week? Anyway, I love ANY team giving the Aussies a go in cricket if only to hear the biased commentators choking on their own spittle! More biased does not exist anywhere in the world.
A test series against the #1 team in the world and Channel 9 could not find a single SA commentator to bring to the party. Kudos to the ABC who is a joy to listen to.
@poppa69-474:
Mmm true, you just got the feeling this team will keep on winning no matter the input of the coach. Of course this only hold true until you start losing and then things start changing. Next year will show us the true colours of not only Hansen but also the Meyer…
2 Dec 2012, 06:09 am
@Hurricane-480:
Hurricane, do you not get it?
You have a very good team, but you and your ilk on Keo think you are Go ds gift to rugby and are so up yourselves with arrogance it is laughable, so when you take a solid hiding like you did it is lovely to watch for that reason and that reason only
Suck it up!
2 Dec 2012, 06:30 am
England in the penthouse,NZ in the shithouse??Ag vok Keohane,are you back smoking the white stuff?
2 Dec 2012, 06:33 am
Hehehe it was party night at the keo mansion, that is for sure. I think he slipped in an extra line before he wrote this…
2 Dec 2012, 06:36 am
Here are some facts
1. England now think they are the greatest rugby team in the world again
and are close to calling themselves “World champions”
2. Springboks played Poms 4 times this year winning 3 and drawing one , and ABs just once where they lost, so boks now claim to be # 1 and also world champions.
3. Aussie also claim now to be world champions because they beat us once and also the poms
There you go
2 Dec 2012, 06:37 am
@Slartibartfast-498:
Actually, Keos mother is a Kiwi, and his father English.
2 Dec 2012, 06:39 am
@David-500:
That explains a lot
2 Dec 2012, 06:40 am
@David-500:
Any old reason for keo to have a sniff…
@CoachPete-499:
4. Kiwi girls play better rugby than Saffa girls.
5. Samoa is the best 7′s team in the world…
2 Dec 2012, 06:42 am
@Slartibartfast-502:
yes
2 Dec 2012, 06:43 am
@Slartibartfast-502:
And Pommie girls better than the Kiwis.
2 Dec 2012, 06:45 am
@David-504:
err in wich way?
2 Dec 2012, 06:48 am
Hey Luke MacAlister’s (sp) sister copied a few moves from her brother…won’t be bad being tackled by her!
2 Dec 2012, 07:04 am
Damn…
Have a thought for all the sheep in New Zealand after this battering…
2 Dec 2012, 07:08 am
After not watching the game yesterday and wanting to read what happened I have to say I am disappointed .
I’m glad England won and not disappointed in the AB loss, but I’m disappointed in the drivel I had to read through to get to the story about the rugby and it was written by non other than the great Keo.
I never comment (unless the Cheetahs score a famous win), but I felt the need to with the amount of garbage one is forced to endure when the famous sage Keo deems it is fit to give us a recount of the Iliad.
Well done England and I’m sure the AB will be breathing fire and brimstone come 2013 so in all rugby won yesterday.
2 Dec 2012, 07:14 am
Once in a while the ABs get reffed properly at the breakdown…
When that happens even England can beat them…
2 Dec 2012, 07:20 am
@Heavens Game-509: They were very gunshy yesterday
2 Dec 2012, 07:39 am
@Fern-510: Howzit Fernly… Was a good result for rugby…
England have just shown what many honest rugby supporters have known for a while – this AB emperor in a time of rugby mediocrity, has no clothes… They not fit to polish the shoes of ABs circa 95/96…
The chinks in the Black armor were exposed yesterday… Next year the French will do the same I reckon…
2 Dec 2012, 07:40 am
@CoachPete-499:
hahaha
ok those are facts
2 Dec 2012, 07:44 am
@whatever-496:
So where do you come up with that?
What is laughable is you live in our country, take my money cos you are unemployed and then bad mouth us….. i would never go to a country and and mouth them due to my own issues and hatred. Only arrogant idiot here is you.
Grow up
2 Dec 2012, 07:48 am
gees HG
you really are slipping arent you? is that the best you can come up with? sheep jokes?
lmfao..
continue, it sure is funny seeing the haters come out when the ABs lose a test, their first in 21 matches..
you wish your boys could emulate that, rather then winning 7 from 12..
and this with reducing the amount of tests up north, dont blame you guys, when Scotland and Ireland shamed your “once in a generation team” a few years ago us kiwis sure thought it was funny..
2 Dec 2012, 07:49 am
@Hurricane-513: Every country got their foreign idiots,mate.We got Heavens Game.
2 Dec 2012, 07:51 am
@poppa69-514:
Its funny.
ABs win…refs fault.
ABs lose….ref did his job.
2 Dec 2012, 07:52 am
@wnbb-515:
lol
Yeah sorry about that.
2 Dec 2012, 07:55 am
@wnbb-515:
Yesterdays game was an eye opener.
We were hammered like i have not seen in a long time.
English gave it too us big time. I felt violated after the match
2 Dec 2012, 08:01 am
@Hurricane-518:
Lol, I see only 3% of the Superbru players predicted an England win, so 97% were shocked as well, me included.
Amazing to think McCaw has only lost 14 times now out of 116 tests
2 Dec 2012, 08:03 am
Well done England. It has been a long time since I’ve seen the All Blacks totally outplayed like yesterday. You could see from the start of the game that England really wanted to win this one. A more comprehensive win you couldn’t get. Hard luck AB’s but 20 games unbeaten not a bad feat at all.
2 Dec 2012, 08:04 am
@Hurricane-517:
2 Dec 2012, 08:06 am
One can hardly believe the cricket is being played on the same strip as the first two innings. Proteas heading for one big lead…
2 Dec 2012, 08:15 am
@David-490:
Hmm,
98kg well distributed over 1.84m, low centre of gravity and a tigerish approch
Made many tackles and rucks when the ABs played it wide as a temporary ‘fetcher’ role to slow them down a bit
I always said that Muir doomed the Sharks at the Super Rugby level by dropping him for Jacobs, surely more than vindicated my opinion?
2 Dec 2012, 08:16 am
Suck it up hurricane, so I enjoyed the pomie win and said as much and it was so much more enjoyable because of your arrogance, do what’s with the person sh it? That’s poppadoos teritory!
Oh Wnbb, go play in the traffic ya w anker!
2 Dec 2012, 08:17 am
Keo you’re not planning on releasing a book about England any time soon are you?
2 Dec 2012, 09:37 am
Very very good win by England.
Foundation set by outstanding forward effort,
and the backs didn’t waste possession.
Imports Tuilagi and Barrit had outstanding games.
All the AB’s tries were wonderfully executed. (Three absolute gems).
There just wasn’t enough of them.
2nd biggest lose by the all Blacks ever,
2 Dec 2012, 10:35 am
Well done England, the united nations of the pacific rugby team lost to a better team today, perhaps this is the start of something for England to build on.
2 Dec 2012, 10:40 am
@maxipus1-527:
Poms most likely had more foreign born players than NZ.
2 Dec 2012, 10:53 am
@Hondo… ” I always said that Muir doomed the Sharks at the Super Rugby level by dropping him
for Jacobs, surely more than vindicated my
opinion?”
your “opinion” is s.hit as it is based on nothing but prejudice & misinformation…u f.cking bigot.
barritt was dropped for FRANCOIS STEYN at 12 after having been a solid combo with waylon murray!
vindicated se gat
2 Dec 2012, 10:56 am
That SA **** Suzie weaved her magic once again.
I had no idea she had immigrated.
Farrell did okay as well.
I particularly liked the very high camera angle from behind the posts when conversions or penalties were taken.
Ref was good. He took no shiit and everybody knew it.
Couple of bad calls …………………………but, that’s all part of the game.
2 Dec 2012, 11:00 am
@cane-528: You lot set the standard,the rest are just following
2 Dec 2012, 11:03 am
@cane-530: 95 still hurting you chump.Ref was great today,not under pobs regime where keeeweees can do what they want on field.Sign of things to come for you snivellers.
2 Dec 2012, 11:06 am
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-531: Tell us, Einstein, how many foreign born players are in current NZ squad.
2 Dec 2012, 11:12 am
@whatever-524:
lol
you calling me arrogant and then ask why am i being personal?
2 Dec 2012, 11:15 am
@Nils-533: You lot have been raping the islands for so long now,of course everybody is born in nz.Although they would all still go and play for there real home country if the money was there.And yes the third word of your post is about right.
2 Dec 2012, 11:16 am
@Hurricane-534: Who cares what you think loser.
2 Dec 2012, 11:32 am
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-535: hahaha what an ignorant statement
someones obviously hurting cause his team just cant beat ours
how do you put the gates around your crumbling ivory tower?
2 Dec 2012, 11:34 am
@poppa69-537: Ignorant in the mind of an arrogant race.
2 Dec 2012, 11:36 am
@poppa69-537: nz rugby is kak.
losing to the youngest england team in ages.
very poor.
2 Dec 2012, 11:44 am
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-536:
I care Sniveler.
Because I am a caring person.
You don’t,
because you are a c_nt.
2 Dec 2012, 11:48 am
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-535:
Yes NZ has a lot of Immigrants.
And where exactly did all your Van der Whatevers, de Plessis, MacCallum’s, Montgomeries and Beasts come from.
You piece of dog turrd.
2 Dec 2012, 11:56 am
How this england performance somehow vindicates HM’s bok dossier, which some feeble-minded fools on here will try to have you believe, is some bullshitt! All it really shows is that even lanchaster could do a far better job coaching the boks than this incumbent imbecile..
And with all respect to the AB’s, we have been our own worst enemies..saboteurs of self progression..architects of our own demise for whatever senseless reason.
2 Dec 2012, 11:59 am
Ho hum, da keeewees are hurting and whinging……beeeaauutiful to watch!
2 Dec 2012, 12:08 pm
@whatever-543:
Who’s hurting WTF,
We got smashed.
Shiite happens.
Polish your boots, turn up for practice, get some attitude and try again.
It’s called RUGBY.;
2 Dec 2012, 12:09 pm
Hore hum, looked like a game too far for the AB journeymen. A fired up England, tiredness and reported illness didn’t help. I thought England gave a good example of how to beat NZ; solid set pieces, keep and protect the ball and defend well. Attack full out when opportunity presents.
Are the Ab’s missing their greatest assets; School marm Graham Henry and sniveling pug Paddy O’ Brien?
2 Dec 2012, 12:13 pm
@The Rangerman-539: hahahaha
and yet, we’ve never lost to Scotland or Ireland, two teams who beat your “once in a generation” players just recently..
12 wins from 14 versus 7 wins from 12?
know which one Id rather have, and if that makes my team k@k what does it make yours?
mediocre? pathertic? South African? awful? meathead bashathon?
yep, all those adjectives perfectly describe your dinosaur rugby..
2 Dec 2012, 12:16 pm
@The Rangerman-539:
Well ranger, until you can beat NZ more than once 1-2 years then i suggest your keep ya gob shut.
We lost, we understand, no complaints here. England played the better game easily.
Mkaes you wonder the state of your rugby if you cant beat us then.
2 Dec 2012, 12:16 pm
Poppadoos, you are a loser, go do the rounds, check all doors and windows, then come back and whinge and moan and cry some more, it’s lovely to watch!
2 Dec 2012, 12:18 pm
@whatever-543:
I dont understand.
Who is moaning about the game?
All i see is kiwis saying we were beaten by the better team.
2 Dec 2012, 12:21 pm
@Hurricane-549:
“Who is moaning ”
What the **** …………………………….that’s who.
2 Dec 2012, 12:22 pm
Yup, and some saffas saying you deserved it and because you were so faarking arrogant the whole year alot of rugby fans loved seeing you get smashed. You see, if you were a little more humble then maybe you would have some sympathy, but no, not you faarking twats, you thought the sun shone outaya ars es didnt you??
2 Dec 2012, 12:24 pm
@Hurricane-547:
Over the last 10 or so years the Springboks are on 30% against the AB’s.
You would think, some of these arrse-holes would be a little more humble.
2 Dec 2012, 12:25 pm
@poppa69-514: sympathy for sheep is no joke…SPCA may have to invade…
Vatso katvis!
“Have some cheese with that whine?”
2 Dec 2012, 12:25 pm
Yup, and some saffas saying you deserved it and because you were so f aark ing arrogant the whole year alot of rugby fans loved seeing you get smashed. You see, if you were a little more humble then maybe you would have some sympathy, but no, not you faar king twa ts, you thought the sun shone outaya a rs es didnt you??
2 Dec 2012, 12:26 pm
@cane-540: And your true colours come out.Lovely language you lowlife.My comments obviously cut deep.
2 Dec 2012, 12:28 pm
The AB’s took a rogering,
Doo Dah, Doo Dah
The AB’s took a rogering,
Doo Dah, Doo Dah Day….
2 Dec 2012, 12:29 pm
@cane-552: swing low sweet chariot
2 Dec 2012, 12:29 pm
@whatever-551:
In all reality NOW whatever.
How humble would you be,
if the Boks had gone 20 without a loss?
You are a prize prick now. FFS.
All the Kiwi Posts I have seen, acknowlege a good English win.
This is not always the case when Your Lot go down.
Is it?
2 Dec 2012, 12:30 pm
Baa Baa…
All Black Sheep
2 Dec 2012, 12:30 pm
Well that’s interesting, the keo website on top form again!!
S u c k. It up Cane , the black machine was Pomped and I don’t think it’s gonna end here, it was great to see macaw get tossed around like a rag doll and carter looks like a stock car in need of a major overhaul.
2 Dec 2012, 12:32 pm
Oh yea, and cane, f uk you to you loser…
2 Dec 2012, 12:34 pm
AB Rings for the Roses
Fifteen arrogant posers
Atishoo
Atishoo
They All fell down…
2 Dec 2012, 12:34 pm
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-557:
Great English crowd as well.
A great occassion.
We look forward to next yr.
(By the way the NZRFU got 3 million $ for that game………………………….how much did The Boks get for their 4th NH game?)
2 Dec 2012, 12:36 pm
$3 mil and a losers medal
Hahahaha
2 Dec 2012, 12:37 pm
@whatever-560:
“suck it up cane………”
You have been sucking it up for yrs now Whatie.
2 Dec 2012, 12:40 pm
@whatever-564:
In that case we got TWO WINNERS MEDALS against the Once Mighty Boks.
Happy now……………………………….whiner.
2 Dec 2012, 12:40 pm
@cane-552: I have seen on numerous occasions when the Boks lose to another team besides the ABs that the New Zealanders on here real or fake come in droves to spew there bile. So now people actually have no leg to stand on
2 Dec 2012, 12:40 pm
Yup, swings and roundabouts, didn’t suck up anything in 07 or 09, but yup last few years it’s been like a draugh, but this is not about the boks, this is about seeing an arrogant, up themselves rugby nation take one up the naught!! Lovely to watch!!
2 Dec 2012, 12:41 pm
@cane-558te : When we go down we come on a predominantly SA sight and talk about what went wrong,when youlot go down you come on a predominantly SA site and be your usual arrogant selves and expect everyone to tell you lot you are wonderful,and then snivel and cry when it does not happen.
2 Dec 2012, 12:41 pm
@Heavens Game-562:
PORTUGAL.
2 Dec 2012, 12:43 pm
@cane-563: @cane-563: How much?Do tell.
2 Dec 2012, 12:43 pm
SUUZZZZZZZZZZZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE STRIKES AGAIN!!!!
Just kidding *nervous laughter*
Congrats to the Poms, gave us a hell of a lesson. Seemed like we’d turn it around when we scored a couple of quick tries but then the Poms did what the ABs usually do to other teams.
I’m not happy at all but glad that we were beaten by a team that can score tries rather than relying on kicking. Although the low light for me was seeing that smug pr*ck Ashton scoring. If there were any positives, and there weren’t many, it was good to see Savea dot down a couple of times. The boy has a long future for the ABs ahead of him
2 Dec 2012, 12:43 pm
You are only as good as your last game cane, we beat the poms and they kicked your butts…..happy loser?
2 Dec 2012, 12:45 pm
@cane-563: My My we are clever wooohoooo.
2 Dec 2012, 12:45 pm
Who is suzie?
2 Dec 2012, 12:48 pm
@whatever-575: I fink she is the abs dietician.
2 Dec 2012, 12:50 pm
2 Dec 2012, 12:51 pm
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-569:
This is the World Wide Web Sniveller.
Note ……………………….WWW.K_o. za
Not a Local Broederbond Laager drinking session.
Get with it.
Isolation is over.
Get Rockin in the free world.
2 Dec 2012, 12:52 pm
@whatever-575: She was the ABs reserve scrum half at the 95 world cup.
2 Dec 2012, 12:53 pm
Doubt the broeders drank larger, but anyway..
2 Dec 2012, 12:53 pm
@Heavens Game-559:
You should stop, out of everyone here the teams you back just havent got it too finish.
CC,Super rugby, RC and world cup….whatever you back fails.
2 Dec 2012, 12:55 pm
@heboric-567:
Read the 25 posts above heboric.
Then wonder why……………………………………………..on numerous occasions.
2 Dec 2012, 12:57 pm
ag i was only joking hurri and caner.
unlike poopsie i respect your teams achievements even if i dont particularly care for the ethos in which nz plays the game.
on another funny note i saw some kiwi halfwit claimed that “nz is tolkiens spiritual home”
now that one had me laughing til the tears ran down my cheeks. because tolkien was a saffa and set his books in the amatola mountain range of south africas eastern cape.
nz also claims to be rugby’s spiritual home after only having squared a ccenturey old losing deficit to south africa a decade ago.
thats quite amsing too.
2 Dec 2012, 12:57 pm
@cane-578: I am,Just not snivelling and whingeing like you lot.Grow up,roll with the punches and get a sense of humour.I know that is hard for a nzer to do,but try and your life will transform.Believe me i have helped many of you losers from nz to recuperate.
2 Dec 2012, 13:00 pm
@whatever-580:
Maybe not larger,
but perhaps largely.
2 Dec 2012, 13:03 pm
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-584:
Sniveller.
A great nik. Says it all really.
2 Dec 2012, 13:04 pm
Anyway have to go now.If you keeeeweees need help with anything i will ne back.
2 Dec 2012, 13:04 pm
this kinda article explains the “hurt” on this thread.
8 Reasons to loathe the Poms
OPINION: Andrew Mehrtens was the one
who let the slippery little cat out of the
bag.
If there was one team the All Blacks hate to
lose to, it’s England, he told assembled
media hacks. His reason was simple.
Nobody stuck it to a beaten side after a
game the way the English did.
Other All Blacks turn as shy as Bambi, and
steer away from similar public statements,
but there are actually any number of
reasons why England irritates New Zealand
rugby men.
Here are eight:
One. The British Empire is long gone,
Britannia doesn’t rule the waves, and there
hasn’t been a Colonial Office in London
since 1966. So someone should whisper to
the people running English rugby that
calling yourselves The Rugby Union, and not
the England Rugby Union, is really
tantamount to having the word “wanker”
tattooed on your forehead.
Two. Many will have heard the old joke
about a club rugby team so bad they did a
lap of honour when they won the toss. To
be fair to the 1998 England team the
players didn’t do that, but they came close.
To the astonishment of the All Blacks,
England took a lap of honour after a test in
Manchester was drawn, 26-all. “It was
peculiar,” Anton Oliver said later. “They did
a lap of . . . what . . . relief?”
Three. They sent off Cyril Brownlie. Yeah, I
know it was 1925, and none of us were
there, and there’s no video of the incident,
so anyone who says confidently he stood on
a leg is an idiot, and I can’t say he didn’t
either. But they sent him off at
Twickenham, the first person ever ordered
off in a test, and that’s enough to be
grumpy about.
Four. Now and again they get good enough
to beat us. You can put up with a lot of hot
air from a useless side, but as recently as
2003 England beat the All Blacks in
Wellington. Worst of all, they had two guys
sinbinned, and against just six men, the All
Blacks eight couldn’t get a pushover try. No
All Black has ever known what a winning
Irish or Scots team is like, and no All Black
for nearly 60 years has had to see how a
winning Welsh team behaves.
Five. They’ve had some dirty buggers play
for them. Yes, I know we’re supposed to be
the lowlife scum on the paddock, but in
Danny Grewcock, England not only had a
man with one of the worst names in the
sport (only rivalled by Ebbo ******* of
South Africa and Jean Condom of France)
but a serial head kicker too. He copped five
weeks for kicking Anton Oliver at
Carisbrook, and six weeks for kicking Dan
Carter.
Six. They’re sensational hypocrites. Danny
Grewcock was awarded the MBE for his
services to rugby.
Seven. Their media hacks are lousy
comedians. Stephen Jones tries, but, as an
English colleague of his once told me,
“Stephen’s psyche is so twisted the poor
man is Welsh, and he’s a fanatical England
supporter.” The only really funny English
writer was the dyspeptic John Reason, who
leavened his displeasure over all things All
Blacks with political views so hysterical it
was impossible not to laugh. During the
1981 Springboks tour he compared the
Christchurch Press to the Soviet Union
communist paper Pravda, and suggested
that the best thing about the 81 tour was
that it gave our cops the experience they’d
need when they later faced the social
terrorists at the heart of the anti-tour
movement. “They don’t have machine guns
yet. But they will. They will.” I am not
making any of this up.
Eight. Every now and again they’re so tricky
they produce a genuinely good bloke to
keep us off balance. Such a man is Bill
Beaumont, who the NZRU backed to head
the IRB. Beaumont is as unassuming as the
day is long. As just one example he tells
how, when a buxom topless woman ran on
to Twickenham during a test in which he
was captaining England, one his players
said to him, “Bill, don’t look now, but
there’s a woman on the pitch with your
bum strapped to her chest.”
2 Dec 2012, 13:05 pm
at least that other hore fest of a dead end thread has finally bitten the dust and gotten buried in a far more relevant expose of what rugby is actually about
Now Hansen is saying England to take the next WC.. how’s that for rolling over and playing dead all of a fake humility sardine
2 Dec 2012, 13:05 pm
@cane-586: I know,i got you spot on.
2 Dec 2012, 13:11 pm
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-587:
Run to mummy and get a hankie,
You snivelling little whiner.
And at the next Broederdond booze-fest have a laager on me.
2 Dec 2012, 13:16 pm
@Transformation-588: I especially love #7 about their media hacks. As if this journo is somehow better than the English. I thought Gifford was better than the likes of Rattue but it looks like Fairfax decided they also need to publish sensationalist cr.ap
2 Dec 2012, 13:18 pm
@Transformation-588:
Thank youTransie.
A good read.
2 Dec 2012, 13:20 pm
Good vintage whine here…
A Rose’ Roger…
2 Dec 2012, 13:21 pm
Definitely seems that England got better Samoans than the ABs…
2 Dec 2012, 13:27 pm
@Heavens Game-595: You think Tuilagi is better than Nonu and Savea?
2 Dec 2012, 13:31 pm
@Heavens Game-595:
They have better south africans than south africa have.
2 Dec 2012, 13:43 pm
@Hurricane-597: I know this will only add fuel to the kiwis-are-thugs fire but i was browsing for savea on youtube. Check out the haka theatrics at the beginning of this one! poor taste for school kids but pretty funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkdlJdFj3xQ
2 Dec 2012, 13:55 pm
Phew, I would say last time I saw that jubilation was after loss to France.
2 Dec 2012, 13:55 pm
@gonzo-598: not poor taste…we know slitting the throat indicates cupping the breath of life across the body
2 Dec 2012, 14:03 pm
What are the All Blacks saying? I haven’t read through the comments.
Were the players at death’s door…food poisoning…what was the reason for the loss?
2 Dec 2012, 14:05 pm
This is not a great England side and Lancaster is not a great coach – it’s also not a great AB side and they’re coming to the end of their year and cycle – woodcock, mealamu, mccaw are done and their two locks are the most underpowered locking partnership the ABs have produced in yonks. They also weren’t up for this game.
At twickenham England are 50% better but I’d say the only worldclass players they presently have are that centre in midfield who they sometimes don’t pick and is an utter monstrosity with ball in hand.
2 Dec 2012, 14:08 pm
All the snivelling bitter bokke pricks have come out to play.Rejoicing at another countries fine performance in a feeble attempt to garner a little `feel good’ factor their own team can’t provide when playing the ABs.
Conclusion…. After a generation of consistent defeats against the `nemesis.’ Safwits have morphed into a nation of acrimonious lemons..I.e BITTERKUNTS
The once proud African rugby supporter is now nothing but a tart,yellow ball of acidic ineptitude.
2 Dec 2012, 14:10 pm
Did the Cape Flats go into lock-down mode after the game?
2 Dec 2012, 14:10 pm
@bokke baiter-603:
HHAHHHAHHAAHHHHHAAAAAAAAHAAAAA HAAAAAA HHAAAAAA.
BBBWWWAAAHHHAAAAAAAAA.
Whatever dude. The AB’s got thoroughly OWNED. ROGERED.
They got f***ed up good and proper by THE POMS.
HAHHHHAAAAA HHAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAAAA.
Oh my hat. beaten by the poms.
2 Dec 2012, 14:11 pm
Read and saeva are **** as far as ABs go, they ain’t produced a decent scrumhalf since Marshall and they have better centres that are not being picked or are boxing. Woodcock, mealamu and mccaw as great as they were in their prime are now completely overcooked, their two rookie locks are completely wrong for England at EOY with 80,000 bating Englishman – get thorne in there who revels in the challenge and puts the finger straight up in the air.
2 Dec 2012, 14:15 pm
whatever, hg and this sniveling character
can see why the average saffa IQ is only a score of 70.
still, they’ve had to wait 18 months to see our side lose. let th get their bile out, it’s been building for so long
still, an 85 % win percentage for the year far out shadows a 55% win record.
and we played 2 more tests
Hahahahaha. Eng can beat us and you guys can’t!! that’s hilarious
2 Dec 2012, 14:16 pm
All these Kiwi supporters and their fragile ego’s.
Already I’ve heard the stomach bug excuse. The poor ref excuse. The “lucky breaks” excuse..
Nope. You simply got rogered.
Oh, and then there’s the “when you guys get 50% parity with us, you can talk” nonsense.
Sorry chaps. That doesn’t fly I’m afraid. The Boks and AB’s both played the poms in their last game of the year. We won. You got THUMPED. Good and proper.
You’re only as good as your last game. What makes it worse is that we were TERRIBLE in our last game, but we still won.
AB’s got turned into XV little beeyatches.
2 Dec 2012, 14:22 pm
1 loss in 21 games
lmfao. now the players are all washed up?
hilarious cab. it explains why you guys have only won approx 3 games in your last 18 encounters vs the australasians.
now living vicariously through Engs great win
hahahahahahaha. how precious are these saffas,
2 Dec 2012, 14:30 pm
@Predawn-601: The ABs and coach were pretty clear that there’s no excuses, we were simply beaten by a better team. That was our strongest team, just the English were better. And scored more points
2 Dec 2012, 14:33 pm
@cane-526: Tuilagi went to school in England from the age of 12 and Barrit has an English Mum. If that makes them imports, then how many All Blacks are imports?
2 Dec 2012, 14:33 pm
@cab-606: You don’t like Savea? I was skeptical about whether he could make the step up to AB level but he’s had a great year in my opinion. Something like 10 tries in 8 games? He seems to be getting more confident under the high ball. That was probably the one positive i’d take out of last night, Savea will keep getting better
2 Dec 2012, 14:35 pm
@HongKongSlong-611: It would mean NZ has no imports
2 Dec 2012, 14:36 pm
Nz looked like a high school team…. They are in big kak…
2 Dec 2012, 14:37 pm
You play to win… Not to attractive rugby… King heyneke showed all the soccer supporters and cape tikkoppe
2 Dec 2012, 14:38 pm
Poms going nuts
by MICHAEL CALVIN
Sunday 02 December 2012
Rugby Union, bloody hell. Twickenham
was in thrall to the wondrous uncertainty
of international sport and the sort of
occasion that deserved to be recorded for
posterity, not by a box score but by the
intensity and lyricism of war poetry.
This was the greatest moment for English
rugby since time stood still that fabled
night in Sydney 2003 when Johnny
Wilkinson’s drop goal floated in
instalments of fractions of a second
between the uprights, and a World Cup
was won.
It might even have been the greatest
England victory at Twickenham since Billy
Williams got bored by market gardening
and transformed his cabbage patch into a
playground for the muddied oafs of
popular legend.
Stuart Lancaster’s England are still in the
foothills of sustained and substantial
achievement, but their journey has a
sudden clarity and certainty. The head
coach did his best to remain analytical,
but came as close as he dared to
acknowledging that another dynasty might
be in the making.
2 Dec 2012, 14:38 pm
@suffer_guy-614: How many times have you enjoyed supporting a team this year? Really supporting a team rather than hoping for the ABs to fail? Must be depressing when the highlight of the rugby year for you is cheering for England
2 Dec 2012, 14:42 pm
@gonzo-617:
Haha well said.
2 Dec 2012, 14:45 pm
Can’t believe so many take pleasure from the England result. Unbeaten after 21 games. Complacency was inevitable
2 Dec 2012, 14:50 pm
No south african supporting nz yesterday… Except for the grade 6 haasbek capies…cape kroessaders
2 Dec 2012, 14:58 pm
Saffas taking pleasure in a kiwi defeat are rather pathetic to say the least.We have bigger problems with our rugby to concern ourselves with another nation’s defeat.As a Bok supporter I respect out rivalry with the Kiwis to go down that route.No need to go down this route simply because we can’t sniff a victory against these okes at the moment.I keep my rugby hatred for the bulls.
2 Dec 2012, 14:58 pm
If so much is written, said, vommited, thought, bickered about one team’s eventful loss in almost 25 international matches across the rugby world, then its a clear sign of a special team, a number one team, a world champion.
How do we Bokkies supporters/players wish for the day our one loss would cause so much reaction. If and when it happens, then we will know our blood is green.
Until then, let’s hope for a backline move.
Well done England. And excellent stuff All Blacks!
2 Dec 2012, 15:11 pm
@Transformation-588: Hi Trans.Got
to admit I agree with Mehrtens
2 Dec 2012, 15:11 pm
@cuntlyn-622: exactly.Well said.
2 Dec 2012, 15:12 pm
Pops – just my opinion, I respect the ABs more than England, but it’s a great win make no mistake. I’ve simply pointed out what I believe are the reasons this is not as good an AB side as you all seem to think. Read is ****. Woodcock, keV and Cheater are too old but feel free to keep playing them – your locks are poor for that sort of game – a young England side drilled you up front which is always what they going to try do at twickenham – is hansen the right man for the job – he seems a bit thick?
Gonzo – yeah jury still out on savea but I’d rather have corey jane or kahui here – how kahui is not in the side beggars belief, same with SBW, outstanding talents.
2 Dec 2012, 15:17 pm
Under Heyneke we are struggling to beat the kiwis.With the rugby we play we might never defeat them under his reign.The English and French showed us the way to beat these Australasian teams on a regular basis, but because Meyer is stucked in a Pretorian time warp we will just never learn.We must be the most boring rugby nation in terms of our rugby game plan.Fans in this part of the world are not eager to see them play here.That says a farking lot!
2 Dec 2012, 15:21 pm
Wnnb how many tries did the stormers score? Strange that you dont say a coetzee’s style is boring…. Something to do with colour?
2 Dec 2012, 15:22 pm
@gonzo-617: Yeah, its really bad to see the underdog win in sport. Get a life!
2 Dec 2012, 15:24 pm
The English press, hansen and some supporters on these here websites are also completely cuckoo – this England side was beaten by the wallabies two weeks ago who got whipped by the French and should have lost to the welsh – the standard of rugby is not that great at present – I reckon Boks will be best next year unless the ABs can get their tight 5 sorted.
2 Dec 2012, 15:30 pm
@cab-629: English side could easily have won the games against Aus and SA, but they are young and inexperienced and made some very bad errors of judgement.. They should be better and more consistant in the years to come.
2 Dec 2012, 15:37 pm
@cab-625: Kahui would probably be there but he dislocated his shoulder. Injuries are a real problem for the guy but if he can stay fit, he’ll definitely be in the squad. He can cover wing/centre and he’s still young enough to make it through to 2015, which can’t necessarily be said of Conrad Smith. SBW will hopefully be back
@HongKongSlong-628: For a lot of the guys on this thread it seems to be less about the underdog winning and more about rubbing the ABs’ loss in our faces. There’s a big difference
2 Dec 2012, 15:42 pm
Our rugby may be “dour” in the eyes of the purists, but we dictated the way England played against us.
Hence they never looked like scoring.
The All Blacks will always play their expansive game and while it works 9 times out of 10, but yesterday ” they lived by the sword and died by the sword”
Who knows, we may even add the attacking game when the situation is right, but we can close a game down, that much we know.
Different game plans for different opponents is the right way to go.
The All Black side can take a bow, they had a great year and no shame in losing one game, but they will at some stage also have to look at a plan B by realizing they need to close opposition down if they are being beaten by their own game.
Our plan B entails us opening up at certain stages.
2 Dec 2012, 16:10 pm
@suffer_guy-627: why do you feel the need to always address me?You admitted on this forum that you are only here to stir.Please leave me out of your sick,twisted games.Please don’t respond to my posts anymore,because I certainly don’t respond to yours.Mutual understanding?Thanks.
2 Dec 2012, 16:15 pm
@nortierd-632:
Well said
2 Dec 2012, 16:21 pm
Hongkongslong – the Aussies got thru quite comfortably and the Boks have beaten England 3 times this year.
It’s a fantastc performance but it’s come outta the blue
2 Dec 2012, 16:30 pm
@cab-635: The Aussies only won by 6 points and they got a converted try from a 5 meter forward pass, also 2 easy kicks missed by flood and some terrible quick taps for penalties instead of taking the very kickable kicks.when the reliable Farrell was on the pitch. SA got a very lucky try and Robshaw again made some terrible calls. So although England lost those matches and the result yesterday was a huge shock, they are a work in progress team, but definitely on the up.
2 Dec 2012, 16:41 pm
England in 2015 will be a hard nut to crack on their home patch.They play a dour game of rugby at times and their biggest problem will be that the Boks know how to beat them at their own game.Rugby desperately needs a French victory in 2015 to recreate interest in the game.
2 Dec 2012, 16:51 pm
@wnbb-637: The French have made the Rugby World Cup story so exciting. They really do deserve a victory at some stage…
2 Dec 2012, 17:08 pm
@HongKongSlong-636: We have to be honest acknowledge Australia were the better team over the 80 mins HKS, despite having many injuries and heading North at the end of their longest season. They deserved to win.
2 Dec 2012, 17:25 pm
@HongKongSlong-636: How many penalties did they get awarded at scrum time that shouldn’t have been vs SA? And that lucky try – rugby is all about putting yourself in the position to capitalise when the opposition makes a mistake. Trying to hack the ball up field when you’re on your own tryline is amateurish. They conceded that try because they made mistakes at the wrong end of the field. Nothing to do with luck
2 Dec 2012, 17:30 pm
Some excellent Kiwi whine here…
The bouquet of this Rose’ smells like a bunch of Roses…
2 Dec 2012, 17:34 pm
Wnnb no boet, you are racially biased… Soccer is the game for you
2 Dec 2012, 17:39 pm
@HongKongSlong-638: Absolutely.The played in a few finals,but just can’t seem to get over the line.
2 Dec 2012, 17:49 pm
@wnbb-643:
Just can’t seem to see the French get it right 3 big games in a row to win the WC.
Too hot and cold.
To lose 2 pool games, one against Tonga no less, then make it to a final just seems wrong.
2 Dec 2012, 18:05 pm
@nortierd-644: I have to agree with you,but their new coach seem to be the real deal.He is slowly changing this erratic mentality of theirs.Ag,I just love French rugby and hope that they will get it right one day.Great country.
2 Dec 2012, 18:18 pm
They did look impressive, especially against Australia.
Looking forward to seeing if they can kick on during the six nations.
Already think France vs England can be something special
2 Dec 2012, 19:25 pm
I reckon that next year might prove to be the beginning of the rise of the North… Some results and subtle trends in the way NH teams are starting to play, particularly France and England with maybe Wales to a lesser extent, are pointing to the North/South gap disappearing.
If there was a time for SA to get on this bandwagon and leave the kissing cousins for better, more lucrative pastures in the same timezone, it is now. Especially with England and France wanting an alternative to the Heineken Cup.
England have exposed the NZ “superiority” bullshitt that the Boks and Ozzies have swallowed for years, helped along by Paddy Power.
France have shown the Aussies to be a soft touch…
In short, the ANZACs are in decline… SARU would do well to hitch a ride with new partners… Stronger partners
- with better finances,
- larger audiences and markets
- fairer officiating
- and now rapidly improving if not better rugby already.
2 Dec 2012, 19:45 pm
One of the problems this AB loss has caused is :
England now think they are the greatest rugby team on earth
2 Dec 2012, 19:46 pm
@gonzo-640:
Hey have you seen the movie Beware of Gonzo ?
2 Dec 2012, 19:48 pm
@Heavens Game-647:
The British and Irish Lions will have to beat Australia to validate that rise.
The Boks and All Blacks shouldn’t have trouble beating their opponents from the North without the B & I players, so a lot will hinge on the Aus series
2 Dec 2012, 22:18 pm
@Heavens Game-647:
lol
So after one loss against England you think it is time to leave…. wow.
I think maybe you guys should leave. That’s all you talk about.
2 Dec 2012, 22:45 pm
@Hurricane-651: England played well… ABs played badly…
However, the greatest contributor to England winning was the officiating at ruck time…
Fair officiating at ruck time and even England, who lost to a very below par Oz and Boks in two consecutive weekends, could dominate the ABs…
Funny that… It certainly makes me think about this great game and referee machinations at International level… And the more I think about it, the more I realise how Paddy OBrien has shamed this great game.
2 Dec 2012, 22:45 pm
A bad trend has been revealed with our lack of a good tight 5.
There have been 4 times we were beaten up in the front.
Ireland in Christchurch, SA in Dunedin, Argentina in one match and now England.
The difference in the England game was our backs also looked lost.
We couldn’t rely on our backs shutting them down as we were dropping off important tackles and leaving very large whole in the backs. Conrad is normally our rock in defence in the backs but he had a bad game, missing tackles that he never really shouldn’t, especially as he is our safety measure in the backs.
So back to the tight 5…Ireland,Argentina and SA came up against an AB backline that made up for our average at best tight 5. Against England the Backs played defensively below par and we got hammered.
Our Tight 5 needs sorting which makes me a bit worried. Especially with Hansen being found out a few years with the forwards when GH had to take over the forwards for a bit a Hansen messed it up. Lets hope Hansen can sort this mess out, if not we have to realise that any team that can better our tight 5, we need our backs to fire defensively and on offence.
And something else to look at, do we even have a good tight 5 combination in the country.
2 Dec 2012, 22:47 pm
@Heavens Game-652:
Read 653.
Nothing to do with refs.
2 Dec 2012, 23:20 pm
hehehe
this whole angle by HG about POB is hilarious, was POB head of refs for the last 20 years?
try hard of note really
up your game HG, surely you can do better then this?
2 Dec 2012, 23:30 pm
@Hurricane-653: Your back row got out played as well. Read was brilliant, but Richie got out played and I don’t know if I even heard Messem mentioned once in the game?
All Blacks need Kaino back big time. I reckon Romano and Whitlock are a decent enough 2nd row combo and the Franks brothers along with Crocket will win front row battles more often then they lose. Keep it Crusaders and you should be fine.
2 Dec 2012, 23:37 pm
@poppa69-655: Hmmm, nice whine… Normally drink beer, but am really enjoying this.
2 Dec 2012, 23:38 pm
@Hurricane-653:
While I do agree with most of your post, I don’t think you guys should be reading too much into this one loss.
Not quite the time for introspection, it happens, not that often to the AB’s, but it does happen.
You have always played with the assumption that it doesn’t quite matter if the opposition scores 3 tries, we’ll just score 6, that’s what makes it so nice to watch the AB’s and it just didn’t quite go to plan this weekend.
3 of those games you mentioned you won, and only the Ireland game was really tight, but although the forwards may not have had the upper hand, they still produced enough quality ball for the backs to play with.
This was a new experience for the SANZAR countries and the longest season ever for all 3 sides, so maybe it was also just one game to far for the AB’s as well.
I would venture to say that like us, you need a plan B as well.
Our sides on the different sides of the spectrum, ours is defense orientated and your’s attack.
If those 2 game plans can be amalgamated it would be potent.
2 Dec 2012, 23:39 pm
@Hurricane-654: The problem is, your ABs played like Blues more than Chiefs…
Add some fair ruck reffing and you get a the walloping you deserve
2 Dec 2012, 23:51 pm
@HongKongSlong-656:
Richie was quiet and Messam was missing. But that was due to the fact our big boys were getting out hit at ruck time. Need to be more aggressive.
@nortierd-658:
Yep, it is only one loss and maybe i am reading too much into it,as you said one game to many and England came out firing on all cylinders from the whistle.
Maybe it was suppose to be
@Heavens Game-659:
Dont go down the road that its only fair reffing when the ABs lose cos we all know that is incorrect.
2 Dec 2012, 23:52 pm
@Heavens Game-659: you don’t seem to be giving much credit to the English. It sounds like you’re suggesting any half-decent team could put 38 points on the ABs if they had the same reffing as last night. I would argue that it was less about the ref and more about the English playing better than anyone else has for quite some time
3 Dec 2012, 00:48 am
It’s interesting to note the silence from self-respecting Afrikaners on this English victory.The Saffas rejoicing are mostly English speakers with strong links to England …as well as immigrants.Very interesting indeed.
3 Dec 2012, 01:42 am
ah HG
you really are losing it
I’m not whining at all. we got beat and badly too
unlike you, im here when my team loses
But that’s a feeling you know too well, it’s a rarity for us kiwis that we just don’t have the same level of experience you guys have in respects to a loss
run along now, you’re a one trick pony who should be put down for your own benefit
3 Dec 2012, 02:15 am
Still hurting I see, my dear little poppadoos?
3 Dec 2012, 02:27 am
@whatever-664whose hurting? we lost a game of rugby, big deal.
I should look to your example, youve obviously got used to losing seeing as your team and your life is all about being a loser..
55% versus 85% hahahahahaahahahaahaha bok rugby is dinosaur k@k.
now run along meathead, you havent licked all the windows on the special needs bus yet
3 Dec 2012, 02:29 am
@wnbb-662:
Bit like kissing your cousin…it’s lekker but you feel very guilty about enjoying it…so you just keep quiet!
3 Dec 2012, 02:29 am
suck it up loser
hahahahahahaha
3 Dec 2012, 02:32 am
@Slartibartfast-666:
he’s also analysed how many wit okes, brown okes, Indian okes and chinese okes also celebrated the Pommie win in SA…….results out later……he’s areal genius old capo…….all that info from a few posts, wow!
3 Dec 2012, 02:32 am
@whatever-667: here fishy fishy..
one loss in 21 games, yep, we know whose really hurting..
3 wins in 18 tests versus the australasians, no wonder you guys take such delight at rare AB losses..
you guys just cant do it, even the Aussies have made you their biyatches, now thats not sad, thats pathetic, but not unusual for a tier two rugby nation..
3 Dec 2012, 02:33 am
@Hurricane-322: Boks will beat AB’s next year – their defence has been shown to be coming on in leaps and bounds, and next year with some of the first choice players back, and more competition for places in teh backline, expect to get beat. We should have beaten the AB’s this year in Dunedin, but for Morne tying his kicking shoelaces the wrong way around.
3 Dec 2012, 02:36 am
@SjamBok-670: shouldve wouldve couldve
DIDNT..
1 win in the last 8 tests versus us, its this delusion that sees Saffa rugby stay where it is, middling to mediocre..
heard all these brave predictions before
and seen them fall flat repeatedly… if you guys could actually match your arrogance and bravado evident on this blog about how youll beat us, maybe one day you will..
3 Dec 2012, 02:38 am
@poppa69-669: The last aussie game the Boks put them in their right place – with our forwards smashing them, and the backline cutting them to shreds. We expect that formula to continue next year.
Also, our 2nd choice forwards are now playing as a better pack than the first choice ones were last year, and better than the AB’s pack with a bunch of rookies. We had more visits to your 22 than you did to ours in our game sthis year, but could not make it count with our backline. And we should have won in Dunedin if Morne had his kicking boots on. And our defence is becoming better than the AB’s. Next year, with first choice players coming back, and Fourie du Prees and Jacques Fourie available, the backline will start firing as well.
I believe that the AB’s should be very worried.
3 Dec 2012, 02:42 am
@SjamBok-672: you mean the depleted Aussie side? the team you shared results with? a team that managed to beat Argentina twice when you guys couldnt, even though your young pack played better then the other teams in the championship? you guys still came 3rd, which would have been last if it was the 3ns..
hahaha delusional see…
7 wins from 12, and should have lost the 2 draws except for some very lucky moments..
as for Dunedin, we played very poorly and still won… then in SOweto, when you guys had the ref in your back pocket, we outscord you two points to one..
considering our players played 14 tests this year compared to your 12, we still lost less games then you…
but okay, will “believe it” when I see it, at the moment its all conjecture with no substance, as results over the last 3 years have proven..
3 Dec 2012, 02:43 am
@poppa69-671: You cannot honestly say that you have not watched the Dunedin test with some concern (despite winning) or the development of the Bok defence on the NH tour with some more concern. We had the worst injuries this year in a long time, (not even Australia’s were worse), and the most inexperienced Bok squad in about 10 years.
Yes, could woulda shoulda I know. But there are real steps there for building a solid Bok foundation, and if Meyer stays for the next 8 years, and has his way with the processes that he wants, that Bok foundation will be there at least for the next 15 years, as part of the standard processes, for next Bok coaches to work with. But God help us if he gets fired inexplicably for stupid political reasons.
3 Dec 2012, 02:53 am
@SjamBok-674: we have had many poor performances this year, Ireland second test, Dunedin, against Eng, Aussies in Brissy etc… I have mentioned earlier thAt I am not sold on Hansen as a coach yet, he inherited a great team and this loss, his first, will give us fans an indication of whether he is really the right man for the job…
SA did have many injuries, NZ had a few in 2009, it happens and cant be used as an excuse.. if anything you guys have built depth this year, so too the Aussies.. but we have also blooded quite a few new players, Smith, Savea, Cane, Retallick, Romano, Faumuiana, Coles etc..
you learn more about youngsters after a loss, so this loss to Eng imo may be a blessing for us
AB/Bok clashes will always be special, but Meyer has proven he is very much a novice at this level, will he grow into the role is the real question..
3 Dec 2012, 02:58 am
@SjamBok-670:
Thats good and well pointing out Morne but he has won you guys a lot of games with those shoes.
@SjamBok-672:
The Ozzies this year are not the team they were last year or the team they will be next year. They have had alot of injuries and more disruption in their team than the ABs and the Boks. FDP coming back may have is benefits but i dont think he will make that big of a change.
3 Dec 2012, 03:08 am
@whatever-668:
Ja we call him Joseph and The Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat for short…
3 Dec 2012, 03:46 am
Heyneke Meyer is a genius cant thank him enough for what hes done to Tom Youngs
Watched the game again Tom Youngs was superb! Ball carrying ability, line out, breakdown work
Hes going to get better and better. Hes only had 3 caps, Dylan Hartley has been talked up for so long and how he should be England captain but Tom Youngs has been sensational
3 Dec 2012, 05:16 am
Sjambok you poor sod, no-one can see into the future. Do you believe in magic?
3 Dec 2012, 06:10 am
@john123-678: you are in the business of talking up this tom youngs fellow too & never fail to mention meyer’s connection with his switch yet he was demolished by etzebeth 2 weeks ago…
3 Dec 2012, 06:35 am
robbiep strikes again…. on yer bike ricky….thanks for memories.
3 Dec 2012, 06:51 am
3 wickets in the first session, well done Proteas. Only 7 good balls needed from here on in…
3 Dec 2012, 06:56 am
Must be honest….I was rather ‘emo’ watching Ricky walk out…..and walk off. Robbie P ‘p # ss es’ in the faces of his detractors once more.
Cheerio Ricky, hope to hear you commentating soon.
3 Dec 2012, 07:05 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-683: clarke is adamant on making robbiep pay…shuffling up the pitch to dispatch the last two balla with venom…if we get clarke out early we on with a big shout
3 Dec 2012, 07:08 am
@Transformation-684: Clarke is a worry….a huge worry….. I’ve just realised I’m wasting posts on the wrong thread
I can’t neglect the hore, it just doesn’t feel right 
3 Dec 2012, 07:26 am
Unfortunately missed most of the game due to work commitments.
Knew that the ABs were due to lose sometime but damn, why did it have to be to the Poms?
Now we’re never going to hear the end of it.
3 Dec 2012, 07:44 am
Yup hope SA can put those cheeky Aussies away!
To rugby. There is not too much to be read for the Boks on the Poms beating the AB’s except that they can be beaten, even by a young and on the face of it mediocre team without any super stars. Just get some basic factors absolutely 100% right. Set pieces, defence, ball retention and support. That is what I thought Henry was very good at; drilling solid, not gifted, players into reliability (think Weepu and Nonu). Then have a reliable kicker. Carter failed; AB’s failed. Steyn failed; Boks failed. The first two AB tries showed where they have the edge – support play and offloading.
Then, if the unchanged and battle weary Boks had played one more game, they could easily have been beaten, particularly if it was France. Even Italy could have surprised them.
The Weslh losing reminded me of the Boks. How many games haven’t we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory when the team fails in the basics. In the Welsh case, basic marking in defence where the Aussies created a situation where they had a number advantage, used it and that was it.
That is where Meyer needs to wake up. Get good set peice coaches, drill basics then improve skills. Ja well and so to 2013.
3 Dec 2012, 07:56 am
A Kiwi and a Pom is the same thing and good to see either of them loose! The only better result would have been a draw….
3 Dec 2012, 08:26 am
This is a great article, I have for the last couple of months notice this attitude from NZ commentators and supporters. They just don’t seem satisfied with winning, they take it for granted. It has come so easy to them this year, I mean every team they have played this year has less test caps then them and less talent. Both SA and Australia had major injuries to star players.
The AB’s have played great rugby this year, but the truth is that this years RC was poor and the opposition was weak. Australia gifted them two wins and so did the springboks. And we all know the Argies did not have the momentum to beat them in 2012.
All in all an easy “after world cup year for the AB’s”, hopefully the Woblies and the bokke can bring more to the table next year.
Beating the All Blacks is simple when you do it right, be physical, accurate and attack when they are retreating…also defend like demons!
3 Dec 2012, 08:29 am
@poppa69-673: Our players still played 3 more currie cup games (last round match/ semi final and final). So maybe the 12 vs 14 games argument holds no water.
3 Dec 2012, 08:55 am
@poppa69-671: “arrogance and bravado”… coming from a Kiwi…
Excellent whine
Now where’s that cheese…?
3 Dec 2012, 10:29 am
@goodstuff-689:
Hard to be satisfied with winning on here, you will just get called arrogant.
3 Dec 2012, 10:34 am
@Hurricane-692: Because you sheepshaggers are arrogant…
Hubris awarded with a Pom rogering though…
I love Rugga….
3 Dec 2012, 11:19 am
@Heavens Game-693:
lol
Well after the sharks year and the boks, i understand you loved seeing England beat the team you so deperately want to beat.
3 Dec 2012, 11:20 am
The biggest problem with rugby is the inbalance of power in terms of success. The top 3 teams (SANZAR) rearly lose against the remaining rugby nations. This result was good for the game. England played complete rugby and it showed all the virtues of the modern game.
Hopefully SA and Aus will be more competitive in next year’s RC and make it more of a spectacle at the last weekend of the tourne.
But for now will enjoy my rugby break knowing the Stormers will be a force of note for the 2013 SR!
3 Dec 2012, 11:25 am
@Hurricane-694: Am happy with the Sharks year… Not worried about empty cabinet this year… However they need to kick on next year though.
No trophies next year will see tears… But that aint going to happen.
The Boks – another story… And yes, I have been reduced to schadenfreude provided by England… I thank none other than Meyer’s lack of imagination for this sad state of affairs…
Pitiful yes…
But I feel good nevertheless
3 Dec 2012, 11:27 am
Good summary of why the English won this game:
http://blogs.sport24.co.za/mclook/2012/12/01/what-to-make-of-the-england-victory/
3 Dec 2012, 11:31 am
@Heavens Game-696: You will know by the 5th week of SR if the Sharks have any chance winning the SR, because if they start as poorly as they did this year then forget about it.
Any SR team who wants a chance to win the title must secure a home final or at least a home semi. Otherwise they get blown away in the final (see Sharks vs. Chiefs).
This is obviously not a guerentee but it gives you a better chance but only if form is high entering the knock out stages.
3 Dec 2012, 11:32 am
@Heavens Game-696:
lol
3 Dec 2012, 11:39 am
@goodstuff-698: Stating the obvious… Sharks need a home semi at least…
They have a good draw, similar to Stormers this year… So, 2013 could just be the time the Sharks are no longer the definitive Best Team Never to Have Won Super Rugby…
3 Dec 2012, 12:19 pm
This was by far the most nonsensical column I have ever read by Keo. It is like he wanted to make a point somewhere in there.
3 Dec 2012, 12:57 pm
Guys what happens next year with the June tours. Are the French comming to SA, or will it be the Italians? Also who will tour against the Argies and All Blacks? We all know that Aus will be involved in the B&I tour. Any ideas?
3 Dec 2012, 12:58 pm
@rossoneri-702:
French 3 tests in NZ.
3 Dec 2012, 13:00 pm
@rossoneri-702:
We have Scotland, Italy and one other as far as I know
3 Dec 2012, 13:01 pm
Is this the intelligent up to date thread on this blog site because if one takes a gander at the recent comments portfolio seems some bloggers are still pretty much stuck in a hore fest extravaganza of ultra intelligent grown up adult pursuits
3 Dec 2012, 13:16 pm
seems not
seems the levels of adult intelligence on this web site gravitate toward some inane pursuit of blogging supremacy on a dead and buried thread already more than a week old
oh well I guess one can be forgiven for thinking that adults actually posted here.
3 Dec 2012, 13:18 pm
@nortierd-704: Surely Scotland is part of the B&I tour to Australia?
3 Dec 2012, 13:19 pm
@rossoneri-707:
Yes, but only a few players from each of the home Unions are selected.
The rest will tour.
Some NH teams will probably tour Argentina as well
3 Dec 2012, 13:20 pm
@skopdiekan-706:
Not much on the news front to talk about.
Pretty quiet couple of days
3 Dec 2012, 13:34 pm
@PissAnt-701:
was about to post same thing untill i saw your post. think we should aplaud him for getting paid for this rubbish.
3 Dec 2012, 13:38 pm
hurricane – Memories of the 99RWC Semi tee hee!!! I hope this loss hurts the entire Island tee hee.
BY the way how the emotional help lines in New Zealand, running off the hook?
3 Dec 2012, 13:40 pm
Hurriance – Ha ha ha the French are coming to rape your island once more, memories of 94!!! (TEE HEE FLIPPIN HEE)
3 Dec 2012, 14:11 pm
@Hurricane-653: Morning Hurricane, on this note I reckon the AB’s need to look at 2,4 and 5. You guys have great props and brilliant loose forwards but are possibly thin at hooker and lock. Dane Coles doesn’t seem test quality to me and Hore/Meealamu are ending their careers. I also think Brad Thorn leaving left a big hole at no 4.
3 Dec 2012, 14:16 pm
@mamma_lou-710:
I think he was drunk when he wrote this, he keeps repeating himself.
3 Dec 2012, 14:19 pm
@PissAnt-714: he was defo drunk or high.
but one thing is for sure, he was loving every minute of it.
3 Dec 2012, 15:44 pm
What a weekend for New Zealand?
1st – England destroys them and then losing to Samoa in the 7s.
It will take real character to bounce back from this.
Times are tough – Proteas later this month, so it will not get any easier…
3 Dec 2012, 16:20 pm
@Sheriff-716: On the bright side, it gives us our first chance to play the yeah-but-who-won-the-world-cup card. Surprisingly, it isn’t as much consolation as I was expecting
3 Dec 2012, 17:15 pm
@race of tan-712: TEE HEE still buoyed by remembering all the fat snivelling bitter bokke pricks crying into their cans of castle in Soweto TEE FLIPPING HEE
3 Dec 2012, 19:20 pm
It is indeed a kuk article
4 Dec 2012, 04:32 am
@race of tan-711:
@race of tan-712:
What the heck is this person?
Are you 5 years old?
Fkn tee hee??
4 Dec 2012, 04:33 am
@Sheriff-716:
How do you guys do it Sheriff?
4 Dec 2012, 08:29 am
@bokke baiter-718: I see all you dumb arseeee keeeeweeees are all of a sudden using your own name in you posts know,snivellers.Try and be a little bit original.We would rather drink castle than that pisswater red,speights,db that you knoob jockeys drink down there in the backwater that you come from.Watch out all women of nz,THE KEEEEWEEEEEE males pride has been dented and there will be a backlash by the gumboot wearing retards.Go into hiding now.
4 Dec 2012, 08:33 am
@Hurricane-721:
Losing is never nice, but everyone has to admit the Poms put on a masterclass and beat us at our own game.
I feel less hurt losing like that than if we had been strangled in some boring mistake laden slug fest and then grasped at endless what ifs to explain away it could have been a different result.
NZ lost to a team that was far better on the day, end of story.
4 Dec 2012, 08:54 am
@Brads-723: Well put.
Surely Heyneke will have to look at the Poms’ performance as a blueprint for how he wants the boks to play. Strong forward play and clever runs outwide that lead to a comprehensive win over the most consistent team in World Rugby.
This has to be the ultimate case against his kick-and-chase game plan = winning rugby philosophy.
4 Dec 2012, 09:05 am
@DumbSupporter-724:
Exactly.
The Poms are in exactly the same rebuild situation as SA, so there is no reason why Meyer should be excused for the results he has achieved.
4 Dec 2012, 09:08 am
Maybe the Boks must start wearing the Protea top . This should give them the same mythical powers that the AB top grants mediocre players . It is tiresome seeing players like Nonu , Smith , Hore and co being lauded as greats when they take regular beatings from our Super rugby teams . It is time to look at the All Blacks as what they are , a team of players who are afforded too much respect because of being tied to a perception that a black jersey contains some kind of mythical power .
It is time that we treated them with the same kind of disdain that the Proteas treat the Ozzies with .
4 Dec 2012, 09:26 am
@Brads-725: Just to keep things in perspective, I think we have to take the stomach bug the team had into consideration.
Anyone who has had gastro (not sure what exactly the ABs were fighting during the week) will know that physically you are far below your best.
I am sure this had something to do with their poor performance. I mean seriously, the boks beat England the week before with some horrendous rugby and one week later the poms look invincible.
4 Dec 2012, 09:28 am
@spooky-726:
I find it sad the way a few weak willed morons need to clutch onto wins by any team that play the AB’s or in the case of the Protea’s, a completely different sporting code, just to get some vicarious relief from the beatings your current batch of heroes are being dealt.
4 Dec 2012, 09:30 am
@DumbSupporter-727: Yes, you are right… However it just amazes me that the all the bright spark Kiwi Doctors and Nurses still haven’t found a cure or vaccine for this stomach affliction that strikes low their biggest National Asset from time to time and from time immemorial… Especially in the weeks leading to historic losses…
4 Dec 2012, 09:32 am
@DumbSupporter-727:
Perhaps, but they have dismissed the stomach bug issue and I accept that.
What happened here is the AB’s were simply not prepared for the game the Poms turned up with. Not quite an ambush, but no one expected them to play like they did and they took full advantage.
Whether the Poms could pull off a similar effort if it was a two plus match series is another story altogether.
4 Dec 2012, 09:39 am
@Heavens Game-729:
Quite right, medical marvels have eluded us.
How is the coaching marvels going for you guys, do you need a hand yet, or are you going to tough it out for a few more disappointments?
Surely it time to call in an Aussie or a bit of inspiration from someone outside the team isn’t it?
4 Dec 2012, 09:45 am
@Brads-730: I appreciate you not using it as an excuse – very noble.
I am still not convinced. England was so bad the week before that the SA public gave the boks very little recognition for beating them at home. One way for them to suddenly ‘dominate the All Blacks in the collisions’ was if the ABs were physically not 100%.
Yes, the Poms could have been galvanised by the criticism that they had to take leading up to the game. But the ease with which the poms dealt with the NZ physically points towards them not being 100%.
4 Dec 2012, 09:49 am
I would love the game to prove that the ABs can also have a bad game as it gives us hope that they can be beaten on the day.
But this just seems to good to be true. And then it ussually is.
4 Dec 2012, 09:59 am
@DumbSupporter-732:
Who will ever know for sure, but the end result was England pitched up against the AB’s and dealt to us.
No one is offering excuses and nor should they. England deserve their day in the sun.
However, I do not believe they would have it in them for a repeat performance if a second match was played this weekend.
Which is why I am not reacting to the loss as if it was a watershed event.
4 Dec 2012, 10:05 am
@DumbSupporter-732: I tend to agree. I know how i feel after I’ve had a bug and the last thing I’d want to be doing is stopping 110kg flankers all afternoon.
4 Dec 2012, 10:09 am
@DumbSupporter-733:
Of course NZ can have a bad day, or the opposition can play a better game on the day. RWC’s have proven that.
NZ hasn’t won as often as AB supporters hoped, but more importantly, NZ was knocked out because we lost games we were not expected to lose.
So there is no reason any of the top teams should go into a match thinking they have no chance.
4 Dec 2012, 10:12 am
@Brads-723:
Thanks brads, but i have said all along that the Poms deserved there win.
They played a game that we have not played against in a long time.
Put us on the back foot and we could not recover. They saw this and just kept going.
4 Dec 2012, 10:18 am
@Atreides-735:
Irrespective of what any individual AB was feeling health wise, England pounced on every advantage they came across and ran out comfortable winners.
Even if the bug had of been a factor, we can’t dismiss the reality England were 15 zip ahead early in the match.
A period in the game I would expect the AB’s to be best equipped to stave off the after effects of any stomach bug issues.
4 Dec 2012, 10:19 am
@Hurricane-737:
Yep.
Quite refreshing really.
4 Dec 2012, 10:23 am
@Brads-738: Yea they did look pretty hungry. I didn’t see most of the match, but a friend said that the ref was watching the AB’s very closely at ruck time, and didn’t give them the leeway they usually enjoy?
Robshaw is a guy to watch too
4 Dec 2012, 10:33 am
@Atreides-740:
I disagree.
The AB’s weren’t under any extra scrutiny in my opinion.
Carter missed a couple of easy kicks early, while Farrell nailed everything on offer and racked up the 15 nil lead for the Poms.
Other teams have had the same opportunity this year and come up short.
4 Dec 2012, 10:42 am
@Brads-741: Ok…I’ll try catch the game on PVR sometime
5 Dec 2012, 13:08 pm
Aw man the AB’s got ***** slapped so hard that their man boobs concaved!!!!
5 Dec 2012, 18:50 pm
@Brads-723: You are a good guy
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