World’s best not NZ’s best
10 Dec 2012
IRB Player of the Year Dan Carter has not been nominated for New Zealand’s Player of the Year award.
The All Blacks flyhalf was recently crowned the world’s best ahead of other nominees Richie McCaw, Freddie Michalak and Owen Farrell. However, the New Zealand Rugby Union clearly disagrees with that decision as it has nominated McCaw, No 8 Kieran Read and centre Conrad Smith for its award.
Israel Dagg, Liam Messam and Aaron Smith are contenders for the Maori Player of the Year award, while Steve Hansen (All Blacks), Dave Rennie (Chiefs) and Gordon Tietjens (NZ Sevens) are up for Coach of the Year.
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11 Dec 2012, 13:24 pm
@The Rangerman-46: What is race really? The point here is that although Samoans and Maori are both Polynesian, they not the same people, are from different countries, speak different languages, had very different cultures because their countries are further apart than UK and Algeria and are separated by an ocean, and wouldn’t have encountered each other for more than 800 years after the Maori left to NZ. I’m not even sure how much interaction there was. Whether the difference is the same as French vs German or French vs Italian doesn’t really matter. There’s a difference and that’s why Samoans don’t play for NZ Maori
11 Dec 2012, 13:28 pm
@gonzo-51: I meant to say
I’m not even sure how much interaction there was before the Maori went south
11 Dec 2012, 13:43 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-48:
11 Dec 2012, 14:57 pm
@The Rangerman-46: read gonzo’s #51 bakkies asks inane questions & similar insinuations about maoris & samoans – so does horings – then he wants to jump up & be an authority on germans & the french…toolish behaviour
11 Dec 2012, 15:11 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-53: hi ‘imi’…are u Aborigine?
11 Dec 2012, 15:17 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-53: hey ‘imi’.. what is thr difference between you & the people commonly referred to as CapeCrusaders?
you support Australia & any other team vs South Africa in all sports…hhmm
there’s a word for the likes of you on Keo, You’re lucky Woosrn Spoon doesn’t blog anymore…
11 Dec 2012, 15:35 pm
@PissAnt-47:
It may be above his pay scale I guess getting down to such minor details?
Picalomo must have been head and shoulders above McCaw and the performance of Louw surely stood out without being a cheat who prospers off the hand of the test referees?
11 Dec 2012, 15:50 pm
@Transformation-54:
its a blog and we are here to benefit one another through the sharing of information and the growing of knowledge, ok.
dont you like it when i put you in school, Transie..?..
11 Dec 2012, 15:56 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-58: me? hehehe u are a tool & hoot @ the same time…special our bakkies
11 Dec 2012, 16:07 pm
@Transformation-59:
11 Dec 2012, 17:19 pm
Just when I thought things were getting a bit boring around here along comes a Kings article. Keo, get your A into G
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EP Rugby CEO Anele Pamba has resigned from his position with immediate effect, leaving President Cheeky Watson in “shock”.
Pamba was the EPRU Deputy President in 2008 and agreed to take up the interim CEO position in 2009, until such a time when the Kings were granted the opportunity to play Super Rugby, which they are poised to do next year.
Watson paid tribute to Pamba’s contribution to the Kings and admitted that he will not be easily replaced.
“Of course this decision comes as a shock to many of us, and certainly Anele’s (Pamba’s) enthusiasm and dedication will be sorely missed. However, we cannot prevent him from wanting to pursue other avenues and projects and we certainly wish him well in his future endeavours,” he said.
General Manager Charl Crous will act in the CEO position up until such a time when a fulltime replacement is found to resume the CEO duties.
11 Dec 2012, 19:41 pm
@Transformation-55: Are you a policeman?
11 Dec 2012, 19:45 pm
@Transformation-56: You know my feelings. For as long as South Africa adopts the racist quota system I will not support any of their teams.
My stance is not-negotiable.
11 Dec 2012, 21:34 pm
@Hondo-57:
Lucky you are not on the IRB panel for picking the best players.
Of those players, which one led there team into so many victories this year?
Red carded players should not be picked for best player of the year.
11 Dec 2012, 21:41 pm
@gonzo-51:
Interesting korero gonzo.The Maori originated in Eastern Polynesia and we share a common heritage with the Cook Islands Maori and the peoples of Tahiti.My own tribe(iwi) trace our origins back to the island of Raiatea which is part of Tahiti.There are other tribes that originate from other islands of the Cooks such as Manaia,Aitutaki and Rarotonga. In those days the seamanship of the Polynesians was so skillful that travelling by catamaran and multi hulled vessels to other islands was accomplished with relative ease.
I was always of the belief that the Tongan were one of the oldest peoples of Polynesia and because of population pressures and changes in climate etc, new lands to settle were always being sought after and hence there were west to east migration patterns, with the last great migrations being the Maori to Aotearoa Nz and the Maoli to Hawaii.
11 Dec 2012, 22:31 pm
@Te Rangatira-65: I was hoping no one would come on tell me I’m talking sh*t
But you answered a question I had. When I was on Raro, there is a spot they claim the Maori launched from. But I’d also heard mention of Tahiti, so I wasn’t sure which one was right. But based on what you’re saying the different tribes came from different islands.
How different are the languages? I guess Cook Islands Maori and NZ Maori are basically the same. Could you understand Tahitian? And how far off is Samoan, quite different or similar enough that you can get an idea of what someone is saying?
12 Dec 2012, 01:42 am
Kia ora gonzo…the dialect of Taranaki is very similar to Raro, but most fluent Maori speakers can converse with the peoples of the Cook Islands and Raiatea.Tonga have similar words and concepts.Samoa is a different kettle of fish,very hard to understand
12 Dec 2012, 02:17 am
@Hurricane-64:
Was Louw red carded before or after the award?
12 Dec 2012, 04:19 am
@damienm-68:
Good call.
I am not too sure.
12 Dec 2012, 04:37 am
@Hurricane-69:
Trick question, he knows the answer…
12 Dec 2012, 05:23 am
@Slartibartfast-70:
OH, well let him be silly then.
I think is was just after anyway, looking at the when it happened….so the red card has not effect on the outcome.
But the award should be given to the most consistent. I havnt seen all Louws performances so cant really comment on how he did n every game
12 Dec 2012, 06:01 am
@Hurricane-71:
Well Louw played a few tests at the end of the year, hardly enough to make him qualify against players who had a full ‘test year’.
IRB awards don’t carry much water for me anyway, selected by a few individuals with their own agendas and preferences. Would be worth much more if they were selected based on what players and coaches say over a year, maybe a points system like the have in afl/nrl.
In that system you get disqualified when you get a suspension of any sort too.
12 Dec 2012, 06:18 am
louw only missed 5 of the Boks’ games this year…the 3 vs England in June & the 2 vs the Argies.
now in my mind carter missed at least 3 due to injury & farrell, well the less said about him the better…
12 Dec 2012, 06:44 am
5/12 = 42%
But put that aside, still maintain the awards are rubbish.
12 Dec 2012, 06:47 am
@BrumbiesBoy-63: seems you won’t have a leg to stand on & will have to find another bush to hide behind ‘imi’ lol
january 2011
“We are, since President Zuma deployed us
to lead the Ministry of Sport and
Recreation, on record that the quota
system is both undesirable and a blunt tool
that we believe will not bring about
meaningful development and
transformation in sport as envisaged. Hence
our message to all federations is to do
away with quota systems and focus on
increasing participation and creating access
to all especially the disadvantaged so as to
create a pool of talent from which we can
select a non-racial and inclusive team.”
fikile mbalula – minister of sport
who will you support then ‘imi’?
12 Dec 2012, 06:55 am
@Slartibartfast-74: Carter played only nine tests this year out of 14.
12 Dec 2012, 06:58 am
@Transformation-76:
What do you want me to say, already said the awards are rubbish? Would have been the same if Louw or Eben or my Uncle Bob won it.
12 Dec 2012, 07:23 am
@Transformation-75: Oh Yeah?
Really?
Well, communication in the ANC is slower than I thought; that carefully-worded “policy statement” issued in January 2011 had still not reached Gwede Mantashe by November 2012 when he ranted and raved in Parliament about the lack of POCs in the Springbok team, forcing the coach to make unplanned changes.
Nice try pal, but you’ll have to try a bit harder.
And BTW, another requirement (read demand) of mine is that the Springbok emblem be returned to its rightful place in ALL sporting codes.
Then we can talk.
12 Dec 2012, 08:39 am
@Transformation-76:
Very good.
As long as he was consistently excellent in the games he played, which is over 60% of all tests avalible, he deserved it then.
I know in alot of those games he was a game changer.
But i am with Koos, awards are rubbish,normally only the country awards reflect the true progress of a player.
12 Dec 2012, 10:26 am
@BrumbiesBoy-78: lol…’imi’so you were/are comfortable with an exclusionary Springbok emblem but eschew the unifying Protea? right…
suppory Aus forever chap, we don’t want your ilk here!
12 Dec 2012, 12:01 pm
@Transformation-80: Now listen here, and listen good.
All teams should be selected on merit and merit alone…nothing else comes into contention.
And the Springbok emblem should represent the best of the best. Like it or not their are plenty of people who detest the Protea.
And sorry for you I’m here to stay so take your racist selection policies and stick them where the sun doesn’t shine.
12 Dec 2012, 13:26 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-81: hehehe calm down ‘imi’ – you chose to support Aus i didn’t make you.
you were comfortable supporting ‘Springboks’ of all sports prior to 1990 without them being picked on merit, why?
can i take it that you NEVER supported the Springbok ever in your life as the likes of Danie Gerber, Barry Richards were NOT selected on merit either, considering that the majority of the population was excluded?!
12 Dec 2012, 13:58 pm
@Transformation-82: Please bear in mind that there is a VERY LARGE difference in supporting a team; and supporting the unjust, unfair policies of the government of the day (which was the scenario in the period we’re talking about.
Remember also that there wasn’t much to support because of the (correct) sporting and other sanctions imposed on this country.
I would be lying to you if I said I never supported the Springboks on occasion but that did not mean I supported the Nats’ disgusting apartheid policies. When I voted against the Nats in our two referendums it was to a large degree because I wanted SA to be welcomed back into the world’s sporting community only this time with all people having the opportunity to represent their country.
Unfortunately, and I’ve told you this before, the ANC regime never learnt from the Nats that the policy of mixing sport & politics DOES NOT WORK and I would dearly love to support my country knowing that its team is comprised of the best quality available but sadly the government will not allow me to do so.
“No “abnormal” sport in a “normal” society.”
12 Dec 2012, 20:12 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-83: who in the Proteas team that just beat England & Australia away is there to make up numbers, Philander, Duminy, Amla, RobbieP, Alviro?
13 Dec 2012, 00:07 am
@BrumbiesBoy-83:
When I voted against the Nats in our two referendums it was to a large degree because I wanted SA to be welcomed back into the world’s sporting community only this time with all people having the opportunity to represent their country.
What was the questions in the two referendums that you voted against?
Two referendums that I can remember were the one just before the tricameral parlement was introduced and the other took place just before negotiations to establish the new, democratic SA started.
Are you saying that you voted “NO” in the referendum held by PW (to ask for your support for the tricameral parlement) and FW (to ask for you support to negotiate with the ANC and others to establish a new SA)?
13 Dec 2012, 07:44 am
@Transformation-84: I do not recognize that cricket team’s name, please rephrase your question.
13 Dec 2012, 08:02 am
@nama1-85: I do apologise; I have reread my earlier post and it does come across as being ambiguous.
Like you, I don’t remember the exact wording but do recall the first one (circa 1984) being along the lines of agreeing to the establishment of a tri-cameral parliament consisting of whites, indians & coloureds BUT WHICH WOULD EXCLUDE 87% of the country’s population…that one got a MOST DEFINITE “NO” from me.
And the second one (1989?) was along the lines of: “do you agree to negotiating with the ANC and others to create a new dispensation for the country?” which got a definite “YES” from me.
But I most definitely did not vote for the ANC to continue mixing sport with politics, and creating reverse Apartheid in the process.
13 Dec 2012, 08:10 am
Maori, Raratongans and Tahitians also quite closely linked to Hawaiins….many words of their languages the same, amazing given the distance between Hawaii and NZ. These guys were skilled voyagers……….
Also the Polynesians had reached South America and brought the kumara back to Polynesia.
13 Dec 2012, 08:36 am
@nama1-85:
A “No” vote during the “tri –cameral referendum” could have meant different things as the party to the right of the Nats (CP) and the one to the left (PFP) both campaigned for a “no-vote” but for different reasons. The PFP objected against the exclusion of blacks while the CP objected to the inclusion of coloureds and Indians.
At the end of the day about two thirds of the white voters voted “Yes” including many PFP supporters as they thought that even if blacks were excluded at the time a new constitution (with a tricameral parliament) would be at least a step in the right direction.
13 Dec 2012, 11:31 am
ja ne…”even if”…
hey ‘imi’ which is the nr1 Test team in Cricket?
13 Dec 2012, 11:35 am
@Transformation-90:
The Springboks
13 Dec 2012, 12:08 pm
@Mr Black-91:
Indeed they are!!!
But alas, the whole betting saga from 2000 onwards also killed my passion for the game worldwide and these days I don’t have much more than a passing interest in any games or teams.
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