meyer, i hope is entering an age of forced honesty.
on the back of this his record could go either way depending on the hunger of the teams competing.

Good post… I like it even more because it runs counter to the PC trends, fads and fancies of the getalong “kenners” here…

An honest post.

Compare that to Deans, who coaches in a country where there is no national rugby competition. Half the player base and less money. Yet he gets the team to second in the world, wins a tri-nations for the first time in 10 years, wins 3/8 in RSA, wins 3/4 of the last games vs the ABs away from NZ. Yet people are calling for his head and Jake White pipes up. Somebody, please tell me what White could do with the Wallabies that Deans hasn’t.

ONLY TOP 5 rank sides count and in REAL competition like Eoyt or 3N

Those are the real stats that count.. the rest are lucky packet nonentities

Those the only real means by which to measure a coach how he fare’s against top 5 rank sides on equal playing field encounters in Europe and in 3N home and away

The rest is lucky packet bullshit.

JW beat England in the WC twice when they were ranked below Argentina at rank 7 IRB rank.. but he almost lost to Fiji and Tonga at the same lucky packet competition.

wins against top 5 Rank side on EQUAL playing field

3N and Eoyt results against top 5 rank sides

Those are the ONLY stats which count..

lucky packet fluke WC’s against teams ranked below IRB rank 7 or wins against Namibia and Samoa and Argentina or Italy on weak incoming tours by weakened NH sides DO NOT COUNT

JW returns 11 wins from 29 games = 38%
Pdv returns 15 wins from 31 games = 48%

ABSOLUTE FACT

Hurri, JW was a great coach because of what he achieved in spite of the odds stacked against him. I am on my way but we can talk about it another day.

skop hates him because he said he will never achieve anything and he ended up winning a WC. Simple as that and no matter how he spins the stats he can’t change that fact.

Kak skop and you know it, stop twisting the facts.

Stop spinning you fool, you can’t pick and choose which games to include/exclude. See how stupid it it…

Sat, 26 May 2007 ST,WU 1 South Africa v England 58-10 7:1 5-0 Vodacom Park, Bloemfontein H
Sat, 02 Jun 2007 ST,WU 2 South Africa v England 55-22 8:1 5-0 Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria H

See played 2 won 2, 15 tries to 2, 113 points for and only 32 against.

Making up stuff to suit your agenda does not work.

That is the real JW evaluated win % against NZ, Aus France, Eng, Ire. on equal playing field comparison

PdV returns 48% on same basis

JW is an absolute useless overrated coach.. he fluked a no contest WC under the tutorship of one Eddy Jones.. that is his ONLY claim to fame.. nothing else.

@Slartibartfast-26:
Well point is you have called White a great coach pulled up a win ratio of 66%.
What makes an average coach…40% win ratio.

here the REAL JW stats

Played NZ 9 (3N) – won 3 lost 6 = 33%
Played Aus 11 – won 6 lost 5 = 54.5%
Played France 4 – won 1 lost 2 draw 1 = 25%
Played Eng eoyt 3 – won 1 lost 2 = 33%
Played Ire eoyt 2 – won 0 lost 2 = 0%

overall

Played 29 – won 11 lost 17 draw 1 = 38 % REAL wins

those the only relevant stats – lucky packet fluke WC’s playing teams ranked below IRB rank 7 don’t count and only eoyt results against top 5 opposition and 3N results do

Here the REAL Pdv stats

Played NZ 11 – won 5 lost 6 = 45.5% (2 wins away – JW = 0 wins away)
Played Aus (3N) 11 – won 4 lost 7 = 36.4%
Played France 2 – won 1 lost 1 = 50%
Played Eng eoyt 2 – won 2 lost 0 = 100%
Played Ire eoyt 2 – won 1 lost 1 = 50%
Played Br.Ir.Lions 3 – won 2 lost 1 = 67%

overall

Played 31 – won 15 lost 16 = 48% Real wins

JW wins 11 from 29
PdV wins 15 from 31

Do the maths both coaches returned less than 50% results against top flight opposition on equal playing field comparison but PdV way better coach than the useless JW

Lucky packet WC don’t count neither do weakened incoming tours from weak NH or below rank 5 sides.

Aussie can have that hopeless palooka with cherries on top.. if they choose White ahead of McKenzie then they got absolute rocks in their dumb delusional heads.

Dean’s winning record slipped under 60% this year, so he had the wood over PDivvie, what more can we say?

Saying JW is better than PdV doesn’t convince me he’s a “great coach”. Compared to coaches of countries with fewer resources, he hasn’t done any better than Deans and as Hurricane points out, he’s much worse than GH. How does that make him great?

And were you on here supporting him in 2006?

With you on that Koos

A sour old codger, why?

@damienm-25:

And pointing out what an idiot skop is…

We comparing JW and Pdv……so who cares…….

JW

NZ 30% – well no, actually 33%
France 25% – winning, one draw and 50% loss.
England / Ireland 50% – at least you got Ireland spot on but England is 71%!
Australia 55% – wow, another one right.

PDivvie

PDV win loss vs NZ 45% – yes, same number of losses than JW though…
France 50% – yip and same number of losses as JW
Ireland 50% – well done
England 100% – well done

But why did you leave out the Wallabies? Oh ok, does not fit your plan – 33%

Overall…

JW – 54 games, 36 wins, 17 losses and 1 draw = 66.7% winning ratio

PDivvie – 48 games, 30 wins, 18 losses = 62.5% winning ratio.

So overall Jake won 6 more games, lost one less, was IRB coach of the year twice and won a WORLD CUP. He did all of this whilst having to fly around the world at critical times to apeace politicians and idiots like you.

Suck it up skop, JW is a great coach.