Geez mate why dont you just cut to the chase, take the stormer side “en maak hulle almal Boke”

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion.

Agree to disagree

1. Beast 2. Bismark 3. Cilliers 4. Elstadt 5. Etsebeth 6. Brussow 7. Alberts 8. Vermeulen 9. Hougard 10.Goosen 11. Habana/Rhule/JdV 12. Frans 13. De Jong 14. JP 15. Taute

16. Gurthro 17. Deon Fourie 18. Jan Dup 19. Bekker 20. Kolisi/Louw 21. Joe P 22. Habana/Rhule

no one going to be beat that side in a hurry

However, just as i criticised, credit must also be given for the turnaround in form of certain players, and say what you like but he does seem to have the player’s confidence, i dunno if thats cos habana is a secret boertjie in another lifetime or they bid onder die selfde blou vlag, i dont really care, all i know is habana was uiters kak for most of 2010 and 2011 – and i was a huge fan – he went from one of the best players in world rugby to one of the worst – he had no hunger no form no confidence no heart – it was horrific. jan duplessis is another one, seemingly completely different players under meyer, the workrate stepped up at least 30% i reckon.

i think meyer is able to motivate these players tremendously, dunno if its cos he a fellow boertjie but they all rate him as the next coming, which is sometimes a good thing, same as prayers (im a great fan if it means it’ll give them an edge), personally i think he’s too conservative and blou-biased, but there are glimmerings of hope, this season will be the test, the boks must win 80% and start playing rugby or else he must waai – too much talent at present for 65% results.

His positional play at full back is poor. Just have a look against Wales in the RWC in 2011 and see how many times players like FdP, Habana, etc had to fall back to field kicks because Frans was not in the right position.

Give me one example where Frans joined the back line from full back and send his wing over to score a try. Compare Muliaina when he joined the line and the countless tries the AB wings scored after receiving the last pass from him. Oh yes, I don’t know if you’ve noticed. Frans, when he joined the line from full back, only did so on the right wing side of the field only then to kick a grubber for field position, ran into an opponent or got to the ground where he was then penalized for “not releasing” the ball.

One or two 60m kicks per game is not enough reason to play him at FB.

Provide me with his stats wrt his “incredible accuracy for his long-distance place kicking.” He had 3/3 against the AB quite a few years ago and all of a sudden everybody said how accurate he was. I believe he missed 3/3 against the Argies (I think) last year.

No man, I’ll give him credit for his good defence, his catching from the air (if he’s in position and the odd long range clearance/kick to poles/drop goal but I do believe that he is not this superman that you guys believe him to be.

He is an average test player at best.

i’m just saying its an an interesting concept, that’s all.

again you perpetuate this myth of meyer having influence in habana’s form, a player whose game improved from feb while meyer took over the boks for one week in june!

meyer had no hand in habana’s good form, the player made no mention of him in the july interview of SARugby mag.

myth.

The one thing that HM appears to have done really well is ressurect Habana’s career last year, in 2011 he was dire. In any event, I think it’s time to start blooding someone else for Boks with 2015 in mind- this Rhule looks like a lean and mean finisher.

I think Stormers will win the super 15 this year with or without habana, but deon fourie and elstadt must start for most games. If joe pietersen fit I play him or grant at 10 rather than jantjies – otherwise it’s a moerse squad especially with the lions additions of cilliers and taute.

maybe one day you will be ‘enamoured’ by
kiwi teams as it seems you are quick to
change your principles like your broeks

maybe one day you will be ‘enamoured’ by kiwi teams as it seems you are quick to change your principles like your broeks

Your comment re Frans Steyn is based on personal prejudice rather than detached rational assessment – it certainly isn’t fair or accurate and doesn’t take into account his fullback attributes: rock solid under the high ball, positional play is uncanny, ability to tackle, ability to effectively join the line, clearance kicks that are massive and drop goals from halfway. He also has incredible accuracy – at test rugby level where big match temperament is critical – for his long-distance place kicking. Need I say more – he is a proven force with the most comprehensive skill set for a fullback in the game – he’s got all of it – and his talents would not have been wasted and misused by any other country as they have in SA.

@Transformation-46:
yes, i agree Transie.
it shouldn’t be encouraged but you have to admit Toulon is an interesting concept in rugby.

We have some promising wings coming through, as well as GVDH who is still very young, in spite of being around for a few seasons already.

I saw him in Gym last week. I saw him clean bench 170 kg’s with no help.

That’s proper strong. Especially for a backline player.

” much as i hate the concept of mercenaries
in rugby i am drawn to this team
specifically and find myself a little
enarmoured.”

which other team will get a reprieve from your judgemental eyes while you will hate others with mercenary tendencies?

consistency bakkies.

I believe it went something like this: “Guys, I’ve just signed to play for Stormers as of next year. Let’s go out there and win the CC for the Bulls before I leave.”

Now your sms should’ve read: “Guys, I’ve just signed to play for Toulon after the S15 this year. Let’s go out there and win the S15 for Stormers before I leave”

@victoriabok-29:
No scrumhalf, and I mean no scrumhalf from SA or any other country in the last 20 years can touch Joost vd Westhuizen in his prime. That is between 1993-1998. FdP only had two very, very good seasons…2007 and 2009. For the rest, he was just plain ordinary. Also keep in mind that for most of his career he played behind a dominant Bulls pack at provincial level…a luxury that Joost did not have when he started out.

@J.B. Cowper-36:
Frans Steyn is mediocre…whether as a center, full back or fly half. The only thing he has going for him is a big boot.

@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-38: @J.B. Cowper-39:
Pensioners United = Toulon.

Bakkies, John Smit, Habana, Danie Rousouw, Giteau, Johnny Wilkinson, etc, etc,…

Really? That’s the players you want in your team?

Players who peaked in 2003 (Johnny) to 2007/09 (the SA contingent)?

This is 2013 already.