Guildford back at the booze
20 Jan 2013
Crusaders winger Zac Guildford is in trouble again …
The 23-year-old has not been shy of alcohol related issues in the past – he was banned for four games and ordered to undergo alcohol counselling after a naked, drunken rampage in the Cook Islands in November 2011 – and has now admitted his involvement in an incident that occurred after a private house party which is now being investigated by his team and the NZRU.
Guildford also had to apologise for his ‘excessive drinking’ and only narrowly escaped a playing ban at the 2011 World Cup.
He has voluntarily stood down from the franchise.
‘We and the Crusaders were very disappointed to learn of this incident. As a result, the NZRU has initiated misconduct proceedings against Zac,’ NZRU chief executive Steve Tew said in a statement.
‘We will be meeting with Zac and his representative in the following week to discuss the matter, and next steps,’ Tew added.
Tags: crusaders, zac guildford
60 Comments
20 Jan 2013, 12:42 pm
ct him los….he is a repeat offender loser that needs loads of therapy….bloody wally .
20 Jan 2013, 15:56 pm
no way they cut him loss grant, his more than jus a good player, Zacks a beast. Its rehab for him everytime until he decides to cash in and go to france
20 Jan 2013, 18:57 pm
He should just take a boat across to Australia, they won’t have a problem with him, drinking is their national pastime.
20 Jan 2013, 20:07 pm
Alcoholism and assaulting females is common amongst Kiwi men.
20 Jan 2013, 21:26 pm
@Dusky-4:
Seen no South Africans want to say …..Hey Dusky thats a bit rude,we south african men are not saints…..stats show this.
So i will say it:
Dusky .Murder,rape and being a fuknidiot on blogs is common amongst South African males……
Dusky, you sure have one of those things sorted.
20 Jan 2013, 21:29 pm
OH and Dusky….the other day you trying to pull out all the Kiwis as you wanted to give us cr@p about out cricket team….my seems things have changed.
We are still cr@p….Proteas are the biggest chokers of any sport….
As suggested on here you only as good as your last game.
20 Jan 2013, 21:59 pm
Anyway.
Guildford should just give it a miss.
If he cannot keep of the booze, he should look at taking up another job….rugby is obviously not that important.
He is an ok player…he has his really good games then can go into his shell the next. No big loss to NZ rugby
20 Jan 2013, 22:00 pm
Oh and whatever will be on soon…totally miss Duskys comments and go spastic on mine………
20 Jan 2013, 22:22 pm
@Hurricane-8:
Hi there Hurri
Don’t agree with throwing out a youngster for having a pis.s up every no again.
Till a couple of years ago he would he been thrown out for not having a pint.
We were that age and might not have been folk property, but still had responsibilities and still had a good night out every so often.
He is a talented player and if you guys don’t want him, please send him to the Stormers, free Castle Lager as part of the contract should seal the deal.
20 Jan 2013, 22:23 pm
@nortierd-9:
Now and again not no again
20 Jan 2013, 23:46 pm
@nortierd-9:
Guildford would be on the next plane with that sort of deal mate.
21 Jan 2013, 03:19 am
@Dusky-4:
Not a good look again for poor Zac, but to make a sad generalization like that is going a bit far.
21 Jan 2013, 04:17 am
@Te Rangatira-12:
Ravens seem to be in the Super Bowl, they lead 28 – 13 with less than 11mins. to go in the 4th and last quarter. Three scores needed by the Patriots.
It means brother coaching against brother then in the Final
21 Jan 2013, 06:23 am
i feel sorry for this kid…
alcoholism is not a simple choice by the alcoholic… it is a disease, a compulsion that is extremely difficult to keep in check and no alcoholic will ever claim to have conquered… they always only claim to be recovering… not cured…
a helluva thing for a young boy to deal with his father dying in the stands while you’re playing a game… i hope he finds the assistance he needs to keep the demon down enough to enable him to continue his rugby career… they need to team him with a couple of teetotal team-mates to keep him on the straight and narrow… (not that it is the fault or ultimate responsibility of the team… it all comes down to guildford in the end…)
and yeah… it’s not about any group of people… not kiwis or saffas or any group… alcoholism can and does affect anyone from anywhere…
21 Jan 2013, 06:48 am
Some people are genetically predisposed in a way that means it’s best if they don’t drink. Not saying Zac has this affliction, just getting it out there.
Problem is alcohol is so socially acceptable, so a young chap like Zac, playing a team sport where drinking is almost considered a ‘cultural thing’ (which, BTW, is the biggest pile of popypcock ever invented), it can’t be easy.
I wasn’t aware his father passed (as mentioned above) either, which must further aggravate whatever situation he is in.
I wish the guy the best, and hope that he gets the support that he needs from his employees and family.
21 Jan 2013, 06:54 am
WTF is with these Kiwis and their abuse of booze??? From what I can gather there are loads of things to do there..why doesn’t the little prig get a hobby.
21 Jan 2013, 07:02 am
@Predawn-16: What’s with the xenophobia?
I know many south africans that abuse alcohol.
This has f*ck all to do with “these kiwis”
21 Jan 2013, 07:08 am
@RedMan-17:
hear hear…
21 Jan 2013, 07:21 am
I can’t imagine Os walking through Keg with no clothes on. Maybe UFO has done that on the odd occassion, but not any South African, Aussie, Pom or any other nations professional rugby players have thrown their names away in that style that I am aware of.
You need to get your youth to pull themselves towards themselves…your national sport is either rugby or getting paraletic…you can’t juggle both..
21 Jan 2013, 08:00 am
You don’t need to run around with your bollocks exposed as proof that you have a drinking problem.
And your example is a poor one – Os was sacked as the Springbok scrum consultant for a drinking binge before a game a few years back.
21 Jan 2013, 08:06 am
@Predawn-19:
hehehe…
in trying to insult me for having an opinion opposite to yours, you compliment me more than you understand…
i am grateful…
thank you…!!
21 Jan 2013, 08:07 am
@Predawn-19:
“I can’t imagine Os walking through Keg with no clothes on.”
Correct but Kamp Staaldraad has proven that you dont even need to drunk to be naked
21 Jan 2013, 08:28 am
I am assuming the worst here, and the incident was due to Zac being out of control.
If that is the case then for credibility sake, his NZRU contract needs to be cancelled.
He was given a last chance, was provided with all kinds of support and he has now let it all go to waste. The rugby hierarchy can’t allow this sort of behaviour to go on without having a line in the sand somewhere.
I couldn’t imagine my employers being so accommodating as the NZRU were with what he got up to previously.
My guess is he will be sacked as a Crusader and will head off shore on a game by game contract somewhere.
21 Jan 2013, 08:47 am
@Predawn-19:
Remember the Brumbies “taxi incident” in Cape Town?
I think a lot more of this type of things happen, but for the majority it is kept in house and dealt with by the team.
The only time a big hoo hah is made is when some hack journalist gets to hear of it and then they make a bigger deal of it than it is.
21 Jan 2013, 08:53 am
And to add, if he had done charity work in his off time would that have been published?
I seriously doubt it, we all know good news don’t sell papers, so as long as it’s controversial it must get a mention.
The words ” private house party” to me says a lot, so it means he can’t go to a public place or a private place?
Kind of narrow downs the options doesn’t it?
21 Jan 2013, 08:58 am
@nortierd-25: This seems like a bit of a mountain out of a molehill…yes the guy should be punished but really….he is a young guy who is maybe a bit wild…not the devil. Get him some help in rehab and try and keep him focussed on being a great rugby player, simple.
21 Jan 2013, 09:04 am
@Skeppie-26:
Couldn’t agree more.
If this is the way of the world today then I should also have been sent to rehab at his age.
I call it growing up and he is definitely not the only 23 year in the world enjoying a party.
21 Jan 2013, 09:05 am
Sack Guilt-ford!
21 Jan 2013, 09:18 am
@ufo-21: hi pal
decided last night that if any post even mildly
insulting that I would not enter intoa d ebat e
with that poster.Cyber wars are very
dest ructive .Just let them think that they ha ve w on.
Cannot r each the Hore through posts
on any other thread.
Is she finally dead?
Kind regards
21 Jan 2013, 09:19 am
@Skeppie-26:
You are being too optimistic.
Even his agent acknowledges this incident is close to being a bridge too far to save his career.
21 Jan 2013, 09:21 am
I feel desperately sorry for this fella.
His tragedy runs deep.
I don’t believe they should cast him out. He needs help and support – now more than ever.
But that’s just me. I doubt most would agree.
21 Jan 2013, 09:23 am
@ufo-14: 100% correct
21 Jan 2013, 09:24 am
@Predawn-19: You are aware of the various tragedies that have befallen this fella? And you are aware that no person deals with stress and trauma in the same manner? You are aware of this of course, but you choose to turn a young mans ‘demons’ into some p-i—–ss—ing contest.
Bad form, most certainly expected from your sort…..but bad.
21 Jan 2013, 09:25 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-31: Hello my lady.Trust you are VE R Y well.
21 Jan 2013, 09:26 am
What a chop, all the talent in the world and he pisses it away!
Can only “face palm” and wonder why some people are blessed with amazing talent while obviously do not appreciate it.
21 Jan 2013, 09:27 am
@ryecatcher-29:
Rye
Will post on the Hore thread, just check on the right under recent comments.
21 Jan 2013, 09:28 am
@ryecatcher-29:
hi bud…
wise strategy rye…
i try to follow the same approach but do get sucked in sometimes by the negativity and insults…
but generally a far better way to go… and makes chatting far more pleasant…
thanks
21 Jan 2013, 09:29 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-31:
i for sure do…
21 Jan 2013, 09:31 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-33: Amen to that. We are dealing w ith a disease ..
Can be cured.Disease of self rghteouness can not
21 Jan 2013, 09:31 am
rye, i see that nortie has got it into the recent comments again…
21 Jan 2013, 09:33 am
@nortierd-36: Thanks pal.Have done
Nothing
21 Jan 2013, 09:35 am
@ryecatcher-41:
It fills up to quick, will post again
21 Jan 2013, 09:42 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-31: I can have 6 drinks w ith no obvious ill effects
(years of practce)Th e alcoholic will have 1 and be smashed
How lucky(not cl ever) am I? .
21 Jan 2013, 09:43 am
@nortierd-42: tx very much
21 Jan 2013, 09:47 am
@ryecatcher-43:
Sounds like Gary Player.
” the more I practice the luckier I get”
21 Jan 2013, 09:49 am
@ufo-14: Well said. It is easy to judge others when we have not lived their lives.
This young fellow needs to sort his personal problems out first because he can only play rugby for a short time, but he has his whole life to consider if he lets the booze get the upper hand.
Rugby, like all sports, is concious of its image and the standards of behaviour its wants to promote and be associated with. Perhaps he is better off away from the spotlight and condemnation that follows.
21 Jan 2013, 09:50 am
@ryecatcher-34: Howdy Rye
I had a HECTIC weekend….. Cricket on Saturday (burnt to sh y te once again….it really was hot in Paarl…and all that pain for what? A LOSS. Athough awesome game, and huge congrats to the Black Caps – well deserved victory).
Yesterday I did my best Lance Armstrong impression……butfuckedoutbadly on the bike.
I was in contact with Dawn and she suggested I take a ‘tablet’. I felt that I needed a blood transfusion
Such was my exhaustion, with 19 km’s still to cycle. When Dawn BBM’d me, I was sitting on the side of the road…..sucking on my water bottle and gasping like a guppie in a final – I cycle, but it isn’t my strongest or fave discipline, and I was reminded of that once again yesterday 
I hope you had a great weekend. And yes, alcoholism (often coupled with a personality disorder) is a disease. If they chuck him out, I would expect them to chuck out a fella who injures his ligaments as well.
Disease and injury IS disease and injury = we can’t start bringing in ‘levels’ to suit our own ‘morals’.
@ufo-38: Howdy
Wise words in your earlier post.
21 Jan 2013, 09:55 am
rumours being spread on the radio here in NZ indicate that Zac may have been more than just drunk. apparently he was waking up sleeping or passed out people at the house party by punching them in the face.
being drunk is one thing but getting drunk and assaulting people, would be harder to ignore – IF it is true.
21 Jan 2013, 09:58 am
@munkiboi-48:
Thanks, keep us posted as things unfold.
You are right, it will be more difficult to garner sympathy if that is the case.
21 Jan 2013, 10:00 am
@stormer in a teacup-46:
shot bud…
yeah… he needs to sort himself out… it has to be a personal decision by every alcoholic… but very few alcoholics can do it alone… as pedigree says, he needs a support system… and as his father died in what must have been very unsettling circumstances… who does he have to council or mentor him…
a little bit of compassion and assistance will go a lot further than a lot of judgment and insults…
but as you say… some time away from the spotlight would be advisable right now…
21 Jan 2013, 10:06 am
@ufo-14: great post
21 Jan 2013, 10:07 am
Do not agree with giving him another chance.
He was warned earlier. Like any job if you do not listen to the boss…you will get fired. Think about it…the Boss says do not do that again…. and you do it again. Would you expect to be sacked? I would.
21 Jan 2013, 10:08 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-47:
@munkiboi-48:
that is hectic… and makes a criminal case out of it…
but i still believe the kid needs support rather than being kicked to the curb…
a few south african players have been guilty of public drug taking, assault and even murder but still enjoyed generous support from their unions and many keo posters…
21 Jan 2013, 10:08 am
@ryecatcher-51:
thank you rye…
21 Jan 2013, 10:12 am
@ryecatcher-39: Can be controlled.Never
cured
21 Jan 2013, 10:12 am
@Hurricane-52: Howdy Hurri. I always hold those who suffer the effects of substance abuse to a sightly different set of rules. The playing field isn’t level if one judges Zac in the same way one woud judge a fella who pitches up late for work 50 days in a row.
As I say, that’s just me.
21 Jan 2013, 10:16 am
@nortierd-45: lol and tx again
21 Jan 2013, 10:31 am
What was the incident?
21 Jan 2013, 13:22 pm
His brother got convicted for the third time last year for drinking and driving, in NZ it takes about 7 to 9 DIC convictions before you get a custodial sentence, Zac can f uck up plenty more times before anything serious happens and he’ll have plenty of supporters all the way making excuses for him.
21 Jan 2013, 16:34 pm
@NZINCHINA-59: From what I’ve read, the police weren’t even involved. He told Blackadder on his own accord. So the worst that can happen to him is they rip up his contract and he goes to Europe to make his millions.
The conspiracy theorist in me tells me nothing actually happened and it’s just a ruse to get out of his contract at the Crusaders and go home to play for the Chiefs. The optimist in me tells me he’s going to the Blues. Thank god he’s already been capped or he’d be a Wallaby in no time.
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