Crackdown on school drug cheats
21 Jan 2013
Schoolboy rugby players caught doping could be suspended for three months or more or face expulsion.
The Cape Argus reports that a new testing programme launches on Monday, spearheaded by the SA Institute of Drug-Free Sport (Saids), which aims to eradicate a growing trend of steroid and drug use among teenagers in schools.
‘The testing will occur at any time and will not only be limited to athletes,’ said Saids chief executive Khalid Grant.
Substances that will be prohibited according to the programme include diuretics (which mask the presence of performance-enhancing drugs by flushing them out of the system), stimulants and steroids. Around 100 of South Africa’s top schools have signed up for the programme that will allow a school’s principle or Saids delegate to test any pupil suspected of doping.
According to Rapport, 18 out of 62 children independently tested in the past six months had positive results for drugs so dangerous they could lead to death.
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21 Jan 2013, 10:28 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-47:
So we’re dealing here with jealousy?
The others could match him in using the substances but could not match his performances. That’s sounds reasonable. I can tick that one off the list.
And OWN’s involvement? OWN = Oprah Winfrey Network
21 Jan 2013, 10:30 am
@gunther-49:
I see he is super-committed to ‘convincing’ us all that he is indeed in the U(niversity) S(tellenbosch) of A (block)flashing his danglybits at graduate students; by posting at all sorts of authentic times.
Neilanate seems to have gone walkabout though since ET has risen from the dead. I guess Neilanate and ‘Jokers’ are his Saffa alters……
21 Jan 2013, 10:30 am
@stormersboy-48:
Par 1: Just sounded lie you implied it
Par 2: I asked my question
Par 3: I see. How does Oprah Winfrey fit into all this?
21 Jan 2013, 10:33 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-52:
Nellygwat and Jokers are at badminton and ping ping camps.
21 Jan 2013, 10:36 am
Not only should they have random drug testing at the schools and clubs but the junior provincial teams should commit to blanket testing if they are serious about sorting this.
And a three month suspension?
If you are caught taking drugs at school it’s expulsion surely?
21 Jan 2013, 10:37 am
@CharlesM-50: True. Although as a rule the injectables can actually be healthier than the oral variety. Less strain on the internal organs.
21 Jan 2013, 10:42 am
@stormersboy-56: I didn’t know that – must still be harmful though
21 Jan 2013, 10:44 am
@Sheriff-53: Why does she have to fit into anything? She’s all about herself and the scoop.
21 Jan 2013, 10:48 am
@stormersboy-58:
No man.
She barely fits in to anything as it is.
21 Jan 2013, 10:49 am
@Sheriff-51: Very few agree with my take on the Armstrong thing. Yes, he lied, “cheated” (although he had no clear advantage IMHO), yet my take is that he is STILL a worthy champs amongst those he was up against due to their own doping programs at the time.
Personally, they should legalise doping in professional cycling and get it over with.I know it’s not a popular opinion.
But anyone telling me EPO, your own blood pumped back into you etc etc is ENOUGH to get your butt over the Alps without any real athletic ability, supreme aerobic fitness, endurance etc etc, is on the same cheapcrack ET buys at discount prices.
Lance contacted Winfrey…..and she jumped at the chance. Huge viewing numbers.
21 Jan 2013, 10:50 am
@gunther-54: Remember, that one time, at band camp……..
21 Jan 2013, 10:53 am
@gunther-59: Eish. That visual will stay with me for the rest of the day now.
21 Jan 2013, 10:54 am
I@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-60:
Lets go one step further.
Legalise all doping.
The dopest doper wins.
21 Jan 2013, 10:56 am
@stormersboy-58:
@gunther-59:
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-61:
hahaha…
funny stuff…
21 Jan 2013, 10:56 am
Ok, this is rather funny though……. even though I believe Lance has been hung out to dry by a corrupt sporting discipine.
http://www.sport24.co.za/OtherSport/Cycling/Oz-library-taunts-Armstrong-20130121
21 Jan 2013, 10:58 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-61:
When ET shoved a flute up his ***** and played the Star Spangled Banner?
21 Jan 2013, 10:58 am
@gunther-63: I don’t think cycing or athletics is EVER going to be clean, EVER. So legalise the sh y te, and let them be ‘all that they can be’. The best athlete is still going to come out on top
21 Jan 2013, 11:01 am
@gunther-63:
that will revive dopey’s career as a tossee in the dwarf tossing championships…
can’t see doc, grumpy, sneezy, sleepy, or bashful being too pleased…
but happy always is…
in the end…
21 Jan 2013, 11:04 am
@ufo-68:
You mean they’ll bench Keo again?
21 Jan 2013, 11:06 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-67:
i’d still go with compulsory lie-detctor tests in tandem with drug testing as discussed a little while ago…
21 Jan 2013, 11:07 am
@gunther-69:
hehehe
and all he did was kiss snow white…!!??
21 Jan 2013, 11:10 am
@gunther-66: Correct. What I remember most, is the sweet soprano grunts of 2nd ‘alter’ Neilanate as said flute entered the host’s (ET;s) r-e-c-t-u-m.
Pingfuckingpongchamp.
21 Jan 2013, 11:13 am
@ufo-70: Practically STILL the best idea I’ve heard. How to enforce it, the issue? And I guess the dude administering the test will have to purer than the driven snow as well. Payoffs and cycling seem to stroll hand in hand on the edge of the sand
The UCI are the ones who should be on ‘public trial’, not the cyclists.
21 Jan 2013, 11:14 am
O say can you see….
21 Jan 2013, 11:15 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-67: It’s a tricky issue. To an extent many sporting bodies have tacitly acknowledged how hard it is to regulate the testing because the human body varies so greatly from one person to another. So what is an abnormal testosterone level in one person may be normal in another.
The problem with legalising doping is that it won’t be long before people are killing themselves over the chance to gain an unfair advantage,
Take EPO for example. It’s main goal in doping is to facilitate a higher red blood cell count (they carry the oxygen so therefore endurance athletes will get a distinct advantage with higher levels) in the body. The problem is that the blood mix thickens up and at a certain level will become too thick to be pumped around the body, leading to either heart failure from over stress or simply multiple organ failure from having syrup instead of water in your body.
So if one person goes so far, the next will push it a step further.
It just makes no sense to let people regulate themselves when so much is at stake in my opinion. The knock on effect is potentially tragic when you thing of how the young amateurs would be affected, kids doping, it would be a much bigger mess in a very short time IMO.
The whole genetic passport way of testing shows a great deal of promise in regulating this area a lot more effectively.
21 Jan 2013, 11:20 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-73:
have everyone tested once a year as part of their off/pre-season training… and then random tests throughout the year just like drugs…
there are quite a few private lie detector people around… mostly ex police… they do the job for corporates… so shouldn’t be too difficult to sort out on an affordable (both ways) retainer… or saru could employ a team of them to fly round the country and test everyone…
21 Jan 2013, 11:23 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-73: imo…if lance gained advantage over just ONE non-doping athlete in each of those tours, he is fcukencheat klaar…he is no champ.
21 Jan 2013, 11:25 am
@stormersboy-75: EPO quite literally turns blood to sludge. Reading some of the accounts, it’s a tricky thing to manage as well. You need to get your heart rate right up there after using it, in order to halt the sludge making process, or something to that effect.
It seems quite a few EPO tragedies haven’t even made the news. In David Walsh’s book he mentions a few incidents.
I still reckon though, where there are humans involved (flawed flawed flawed), be it with the testing, the lab work etc etc, there is a chance to manipulate and corrupt, which would negate even the boldest/best efforts of the anti-doping movement.
Fellas ‘born to compete’ at this level (most of them narcississts or even borderline sociopaths – which is why they are so successful)are still going to ‘win at all costs’.
I don’t see how this practice can be removed from sport, any more than I can see how violent crime can be removed from our society.
I know I sound like a negative Nelly, but this is honestly my take on it.
21 Jan 2013, 11:28 am
@Transformation-77: I don’t have many that agree with me on this, and I can understand why
Eish, maybe I am as ‘flawedandfuckedup’ as Lance…
Oh dear, where does all of this leave me and my friendship with ET I wonder…..
21 Jan 2013, 11:28 am
I’m with KING10 EC on this one.
21 Jan 2013, 11:29 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-78: You are correct in that people will always try and cheat the system, in all aspects of life, but at the same time I think that is exactly why the fight should be fought, even if they are always playing “catch-up”
Ross Tucker wrote an excellent article on the issue on news 24, which goes into Lance and how he got away with it when others didn’t, and what went down behind the scenes.
http://www.sport24.co.za/Columnists/RossTucker/Science-says-Lances-a-liar-20130121
Worth a read.
21 Jan 2013, 11:34 am
@stormersboy-81: Thanks! @gunther-80: I realise I am on an island here….throwmeafrikkingboneplease. Livestrong….
21 Jan 2013, 11:37 am
@stormersboy-48: As for Armstrong, he needs to be condemned not just for cheating, but for systematically undermining the whole organization of cycling by bribing, coercing and bullying cyclists, officials and the press for years.
One man? did all this? intimidated the whole cycling world.
What about the rest…… the doctors, the officials, the team mates, trainers and generally the whole lot…. ?
The catharsis will commence.
Dope mafioso 1: Lance is going to admit….
Dr U Gee: We need fall guys, I’m not going down for this…..
21 Jan 2013, 11:49 am
@shooter-83: It certainly wasn’t just him, but many of the other players have been brought to book. More to come i expect though.
21 Jan 2013, 11:51 am
@stormersboy-84: ja, off course it wasn’t, just read the link you provided.
Already tired of the soap opera this is going to 9even more) , turn out to be.
21 Jan 2013, 11:52 am
Crusaders coach Todd Blackadder believes that New Zealand bad boy Zac Guildford is in need of professional help for what he regards as a “deeply rooted” alcohol problem.
The troubled All Black wing, Guildford, stepped down from his Super Rugby side, the Crusaders, and faces misconduct proceedings after another off-field incident.
Blackadder told reporters the latest incident was “very, very serious” and he stood by the previous warning to Guildford.
The 23-year-old Guilford admitted to having been involved in a serious incident after attending a private house party in Christchurch earlier this month.
The incident follows a series of misdemeanours involving Guildford, who is on his final warning after several misconduct charges by his employer, the New Zealand Rugby Union.
While details of exactly what happen remain speculative, Blackadder says that there is a deeply rooted problem that Guildford needs to sort out.
“I could say that there was alcohol involved and sure when the facts come alight I think that everyone will realise that there is a deeper issue here,” Blackadder said.
“I just hope for Zac that we can get the right outcome and get the support that he needs because there is a problem.”
In 2011, Guildford was suspended for four weeks following an NZRU misconduct hearing into a booze-fuelled night in Rarotonga.
He missed one Super Rugby match and three Crusaders pre-season fixtures and was ordered to undergo alcohol treatment and counselling at his own expense.
“The one thing I do know is that this isn’t actually a rugby thing now,” he said.
“This is about Zac getting the right professional help and actually seeing it though and basically curing and healing himself from the inside out because even last Sunday when he had acted inappropriately and was really disappointed you could honestly see the genuine hurt and the shame and the embarrassment of it all yet he keeps doing it.
“I think that he needs to get the help beyond football just to get his life back on track to be honest because obviously these things don’t only hurt him but also hurt the organisation that he represents and also his family.”
The woman who’s helping cricketer Jesse Ryder turn his life around believes he and Guildford could be symptomatic of bigger problems in professional sport.
“I think the level of clinical issues and psychological issues is definitely on the rise both because we have a generation of young men who are just coming through and they haven’t known anything else,” psychologist Karen Nimmo told ONE News.
The NZRU won’t comment at this stage but they will hold a misconduct hearing with Guildford later in the week and there is the real possibility that he could become the first Crusaders player to have his contract torn up.
“I mean Zac’s been given a lot of opportunities to basically sort his stuff out which he hasn’t,” Blackadder said.
However if the NZRU and Crusaders do cut him loose, there will still be a place in New Zealand for Guildford to go.
“If he was to be available for Hawke’s Bay rugby in 2013 there’s no question we’d select Zac,” Hawke’s Bay CEO Mike Bishop said
But the appeal of playing NPC rugby only would have little appeal for a player of Guildford’s stature.
Which means a move overseas would most certainly be on the cards should the hearing result in his NZRU contract being terminated
21 Jan 2013, 11:52 am
seamles – from celebrity to reality Tv star. Still better it seems.
attention craving mofos.
21 Jan 2013, 11:58 am
@shooter-87: he is that for sure.
21 Jan 2013, 11:59 am
How come two Iron Man athletes both died of heart attacks over the past weekend.
Same tournament, same event, swimming
21 Jan 2013, 12:02 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-60:
I agree with you that Armstrong was the best Tour de France cyclist of his generation.
An overview of the top ten finishers in ALL 7 tours he won showed that just over 80% of them either tested positive at some stage during their careers, or were sanctioned without testing positive, or admitted to doping without a positive test or sanction or were accused of doping at some or other stage.
So, in my view he was the best of a bunch of dopers. It is not surprising that the organisors have decided not to award his winners jerseys to anybody else as there is probably nobody worthwhile to award it to.
21 Jan 2013, 12:04 pm
@shooter-83: Exactly. One man alone is to blame for the mess that is international cycling full stop?
Rather convenient isn’t it?
And if one takes this a step further….. everyone KNEW that despite the denials all round, doping was rife, actively encouraged and covered up when required. The sponsors knew this…..all the athletes knew this……the officials knew this…..the public knew this……and the UCI, IOC and the like ALSO all knew this.
The whole world knew…..yet now the ‘whole world’ is deeply hurt and upset?
Sponsors withdrawing? They knew all along….
The UCI manwhinging? They knew all along…..
The IOC talking about taking cycling outta the games? They knew all along….
But Lance get’s to wear the Scarlet Letter….
21 Jan 2013, 12:08 pm
@Robzim-90:
Great article on News24 by Dr Ross Tucker on just how ridiculous this ‘oh well everyone was doing it so it fine, he must have been the best’ feeling toward Lance is.
Really informative from a specialist in the field of sports science.
21 Jan 2013, 12:08 pm
@Dawn-89:
It is very weird- it’s unlikely that they “overextended” as triathletes usually dont push so hard during the swim in order to conserve energy for the cycle and run – its probably just one of those freakish things that happened.
21 Jan 2013, 12:11 pm
@Dawn-89: Let’s see what their blood work says. As you well know, I could have done with a little assistance from a vial yesterday
Het amper nie die huis gemaak nie.
21 Jan 2013, 12:17 pm
@John Galt-92: He was still the best. To win the tour as many times as he, even doping at the time, is a huge achievement. None of the other dopers could do it……
I am finding it rather wacko and sick that 98% of the world is simply saying that Lance’s supreme mental strength, physical conditioning, aerobic fitness, sport specific endurance etc etc contributed to his success in any way, shape or form.
This is nuts fellas. If he ONLY won because of the doping; part timer morons such as you or I should be able to inject, get on our bikes and kick the buttholes of all and sundry in the Alps.
Denying that the man is an elite and supreme athlete, is criminal.
21 Jan 2013, 12:18 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-95: OOOOOPS. 98% of the world is simpy saying that Lance’s supreme mental strength, physical conditioning etc etc etc DID NOT CONTRIBUTE to his success in any way, shape or form.
21 Jan 2013, 12:21 pm
@John Galt-92: I put the link in post 81. It’s an excellent article.
21 Jan 2013, 12:23 pm
@John Galt-92:
It’s an interesting read. Lets wait for the whole thing to unravel, i am sure there will a lot more to follow on the issue.
The fact is that nobody can dispute that Armstrong is a phenomenal athlete – he was for example competing on the professional triathlon circuit at the age of 15 and even at that age finished regularly in the top positions amongst legends of the sport (Dave Scott, Scott Tinly, Mark Allen etc..) He certainly did not dope then (poor upbringing, single parentmother, no money for dope etc…)
What is scary is that he was considered to be a better swimmer than cyclist at one atage of his career.
He also won a USA Navy Seals triathlon about two months ago smashing the previous record by about 10 minutes beating a current olympion and a former world duathlon champion (he eventually outran the bloke!) in the process – remember he is already 41 and its unlikely that he could train properly taking into consideration the turnmoil his life must be in over the last few months.
He is a cheat and not a nice person but certainly one of the best endurance athletes in the history of sport.
21 Jan 2013, 12:29 pm
@Robzim-98: Amen to that! No substance on earth assists one THAT much…
The man is a supreme athlete – the end.
(Nice person, NO. Role model, NO. Very dodgy personality disorders, YES – part of what made him a champ to begin with sad to say)
21 Jan 2013, 12:29 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-78:
Lance hounded David Walsh with threats and even accused him of having a vendetta against him because his son, who was killed in a cycling accident, took up the sport because of Lance.
The man is just a nasty piece of work.
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