Kings to field four foreigners
30 Jan 2013
The Southern Kings have included four international players in their squad for the warm-up match against a Franchise XV on Friday.
On Sunday, the Kings released a statement in reaction to an article published earlier that day in Rapport. The article said that Saru would not allow the Kings to field all five of their foreigners in Super Rugby, and that the Eastern Cape franchise would be restricted to two.
EP president Cheeky Watson did, however, state that while the franchise had accepted Saru’s decision, they would not be releasing their foreign players. ‘There are still ample opportunities within our structures for them to contribute,’ Watson said at the time.
Four of these players, namely Daniel Adongo (Kenya), Hadleigh Parkes (New Zealand), Tomas Leonardi (Argentina), and Virgil Lacombe (France), have been picked to play in a warm-up fixture this Friday. A statement released by the Kings on Wednesday revealed how much game time each player will enjoy in this match.
Southern Kings:
15. Elric van Vuuren
14. Sergeal Petersen (40 mins) / Siviwe Soyizwapi (40 mins)
13. Ronnie Cooke (60 mins) / Siyanda Grey (20 mins)
12. Andries Strauss (Captain) (40 mins) / Hadleigh Parkes (40 mins)
11. Marcello Sampson (40 mins) / Siyanda Grey (20 mins) / Sergeal Petersen (20 mins)
10. George Whitehead (40 mins) / Wesley Dunlop (Vice Captain) (40 mins)
9. Shaun Venter (40 mins) / Johan Herbst (40 mins)
1. Jaco Engels (40 mins) / Schalk Ferreira (40 mins)
2. Virgil Lacombe (40 mins) / Bandise Maku (40 mins)
3. Ross Geldenhuys (40 mins) / Kevin Buys (40 mins)
4. David Bullbring (80 mins)
5. Daniel Adongo (40 mins) / Rynier Bernardo (40 mins)
6. Devin Oosthuizen (Vice Captain) (40 mins) / Tomas Leonardi (40 mins)
7. Wimpie van der Walt (40 mins) / Mpho Mbiyozo (Captain) (40 mins)
8. Jacques Engelbrecht (40 mins) / Cornell du Preez (40 mins)
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30 Jan 2013, 18:17 pm
If you were wondering why we get so many articles on Keo about the Kings and the Watsons, this might enlighten you
http://www.sport24.co.za/Columnists/GraemeJoffe/SASCOC-is-sicker-than-sick-20130130
“Shane Keohane has seemingly assumed the position of SASCOC’s PR spokesperson, taking over from his brother* who resigned in disgrace just before the London Olympics. Still to this day, no tender for the SASCOC PR account, which SASCOC awarded to HSM and Gideon Sam’s old “Bok” mate, Mark Keohane.
In September last year, Mark Keohane tweeted: Gideon & Tubby. I had pleasure of seeing the work put in over 4 yrs. Stay strong, stay united. There’s not a better Pres/CEO combo
Keo, come up for some air!
No doubt, you’ve seen a recent upsurge in Luke Watson PR and “good” publicity. Luke apologising for his Afrikaans insult and saying the Lions have been treated unfairly with Super rugby relegation.
Well, the spin doctor, Mark Keohane is Luke’s agent but when exposed that he wasn’t an accredited SARU agent, he quickly threw the hospital pass to brother, Shane, as the cover up.
The HSM stable also “own” the SA Rugby magazine to aid their spin but SA Rugby (SARU) have conveniently turned a blind eye.
In short, SA Rugby is not the registered trademark of HSM and if they use it they should be paying SARU a rights fee – which they haven’t. SARU also paid HSM a stipulated annual amount to produce Fifteen and other publications.
They’re all in bed together.
So, you can see why SARU never took any action against Keohane for being an unaccredited agent and why I got hogwash answers and lies from SARU to a number of my related questions in a previous column.”
*- Would that be Keo?
30 Jan 2013, 18:19 pm
@Transformation-42:
They were definately paid more than the Lions franchise partners, they were never paid
30 Jan 2013, 18:25 pm
@victoriabok-51: nepotism! Just like the nepotism which saw Cheeky contract his son and pay him a huge salary way, way, way outside the bracket you would pay a vodacon cup player.
30 Jan 2013, 18:29 pm
@RL-50: after the Watsons took over we bought Darron Nell, Jaco Engels, SP Marais, Rory Duncan, Wayne van Heerden etc & won the 1st Div twice in three years from nowhere. Cheeky & Anele never stole or pilfered ANY money!
30 Jan 2013, 18:32 pm
hey RL…what do you call paying a coach millions to lose ALL 13 super rugby games & still keep him on the payroll as DoR?
30 Jan 2013, 18:39 pm
@Transformation-54:
What do you call the third oldest provincial union in the country, one that has never won anything worthwhile?
Losers?
No, the Kings/EP
30 Jan 2013, 18:43 pm
@RL-53:
That’s the point, isn’t it? If they’d only paid salaries at VC player level, they’d never attract any CC or SR players. I wonder how much of a drop Luke took when he left Bath?
30 Jan 2013, 18:45 pm
@victoriabok-56:
The oldest white provincial union. Stick to the facts VC.
30 Jan 2013, 18:46 pm
@Transformation-54: so paying Puke, a Vodacom cup play a huge, huge, huge superrugby salary while bringing in has-beens and paying them a pittance is all okay – nice.:wink:
and please come up with something better than “legacy” issues – LOL
30 Jan 2013, 18:47 pm
@David-57:
> I wonder how much of a drop Luke took when he left Bath?
If you add all the construction tenderpreneur kickbacks he’ll get under the table from Cheeky, he would surely make quite a bit more
And if you add all the Luke promoting Keo does on his site and in his magazine, he’ll probably get some sponsorship money as well
30 Jan 2013, 18:54 pm
@David-58:
Nope Western Province was formed in 1883, then Griquas in 1886 and then EP in 1888
30 Jan 2013, 18:54 pm
The simple fact is that SARU painted themselves into a corner, promising both the Kings & the Lions what they could not deliver (i.e. 6 Super Rugby franchises in 2013); SARU then drowning in the excrement of their own doing, & not knowing how to solve the problem, hatched this sinister plot to sacrifice the Lions for 2013 only (in the process probably unwittingly delivering the death knell to that once proud Union), whilst at the same advancing the Kings as SA’s 5th Super Rugby franchise for 2013 under such suffocating circumstances & conditions (1 year guarantee only, late [no, f_uckin laaaaaate!] decision to confirm the Kings’ participation so as to make it impossible to recruit properly, & then finally putting the boot in by refusing them more than 2 foreign players); all of this so as to ENSURE that the Kings fail at first (& only attempt) at readmission to the top tier. Those that control SARU have their own agenda, & that agenda is not disclosed. It was like that for a long time, & it must still be – coz the alternative simply cannot be; how can SARU possibly be so incompetent? I just cannot believe that they can be so utterly f_uckin useless. Tis a plot, dudes … tis the SARU way … look at the history of this thing & convince me otherwise.
But … maybe, just maybe the Kings won’t roll over and play dead – maybe things don’t go according to Plan – sport is full of surprising outcomes.
The victims here are both the Lions & the Kings.
Anyway, for the record:
1. The Southern Kings ARE a very different outfit to the EP Kings that faced the Cheetahs in the CC playoffs – so don’t make judgments based on CC playoffs;
2. It WAS impossible to recruit top quality players until it was too late to do so (thx SARU);
3. The fact that the Kings feeder unions were not playing rugby at the highest level for a long time made it impossible to retain their BEST homegrown talent – by my count 24 such players that learnt their rugby in the Kings area (i.e. up to & including at least high school level) find themselves gracing the squad sheets of other Super XV franchises; in addition there are another 4 or 5 players in current other Super XV squads that spent their formative rugby development (junior school years) in the greater southern & eastern cape areas, before they moved on to schools such as Grey College & KES (presumably on rugby bursaries); & most black African rugby players you see in your favourite franchise team come to you via the EC & Border regions; similarly SWD is a nursery for Coloured rugby players, & several of those now grace the squads of other (non-Kings) franchises;
4. I’m first and foremost a Sharks rugby fan, but I can tell you that the Kings area is much more important to SA Rugby than for instance KZN – all you have to do, is do a count of how many Super XV squad players countrywide learnt their rugby in the Kings area, & how many did so in KZN; & whilst you’re about it also tally how many of the (Mighty) Sharks & Cheetahs current squads actually come to them courtesy of Kings’ schools or provincial teams; also count the Springboks that the Sharks & Kings regions had respectively nurtured from primary school levels upwards from the beginnings of Bok rugby up to the present day;
5. Did the majority of the Black & Coloured rugby players who during the most recent decades became Springboks not add to the quality of our rugby, & did a substantial portion of them not come from the Kings feeder regions? And then, if we really wish to grow rugby in SA is it not very important that a franchise like the Kings should be successful?
Ai tog, mense …
Ah, well – let me say it: Viva Kings!
30 Jan 2013, 18:56 pm
@David-57: no that is not the point – the point is not to pay a Vodacom cup player a superrugby salary while neglecting the rest of the team – the team that won the currie cup 1st division were moered by a Cheetahs B team -s urley contracting young player(Jake White style) would have been the way to go. Instead one players gets the meat – oupa’s and has-beens next in line and the remainder to the plebs. (nothing to the suits as per Transformer)
Result 15 whilte players (1st divion champions) getting rogered!
30 Jan 2013, 19:01 pm
@David-58:
> The oldest white provincial union. Stick to the facts VC
I’ll remind you of this when you lot again extoll all Province’s CC wins in the 1880′s when there were no other teams to play against and the team bus was an oxwagon
30 Jan 2013, 19:02 pm
gun maar vir elkeen sy ou plekkie in die son.
our lives will still continue irrispective of who plays in the tournament, so it’s pointless sweating the small stuff.
30 Jan 2013, 19:03 pm
@victoriabok-61:
Sorry, I meant to type the 3rd oldest. My emphasis was on “white union”.
30 Jan 2013, 19:05 pm
RL: your Currie Cup playoff crutch is useless seeing that FRANCHISE participation in Super Rugby is not even remotely related to Currie Cup status, so all you’re doing is pissing against the wind
the Lions FRANCHISE played in Super Rugby while two of its partners played 1st division currie cup
30 Jan 2013, 19:06 pm
@victoriabok-64:
Don’t be jealous VB
It’s not us saying it, it’s engraved on those little golden plates on the Cup itself.
History for all to read.
If your team’s forefathers mushed the oxen a bit quicker they might have gotten their shi.t together sooner and also competed with us big boys
30 Jan 2013, 19:06 pm
@David-57:
250k at bath 3 bar at the kings?
Not much I’d say.
30 Jan 2013, 19:09 pm
@Angostura-62:
Thanks for introducing some sanity and substance to this never ending dismissal of the Kings region and SARUs ineptness.
30 Jan 2013, 19:09 pm
White provincial unions?
Which are they and which are not?
30 Jan 2013, 19:09 pm
@Angostura-62:
> The Southern Kings ARE a very different outfit to the EP Kings that faced the Cheetahs in the CC playoffs – so don’t make judgments based on CC playoffs;
Nope pull my other finger
Why would they deliberately hamper their chances by not selecting the strongest team available?
Anyway all teams are different from the ones last year, players move to other franchises, some retire and new ones join all the time
Everytime the Kings win, they wax lyrical about “how they must play Super Rugby”, yet everytimne they lose “it’s not a full strength team” and “mostly made up of Eagles and Bulldogs players” like when they played the Lions last year
30 Jan 2013, 19:10 pm
@Angostura-62:
Nicely done.
30 Jan 2013, 19:11 pm
@Transformation-67: nc nc nc Transformer – who needs partners. Lions can build a team without help from “partners”.
what is the difference between the Golden Lions and the Lions, between the Bulls and the Blue Bulls, between WP and the Stormers.
Try harder Transformer.
end of the day the EP Kings = Kings (yes/no)
30 Jan 2013, 19:14 pm
@victoriabok-72: look boet, lets cut the c_rap & wait for Super XV to commence
Then we chat on the strength of results, not conjecture
30 Jan 2013, 19:14 pm
@nortierd-68:
If you think beating the Worcester School for the Blind XV in 1884 and the Oom Tas Paternoster Fishermen rugby club in 1885 justifies the Currie Cup, moet jy meer water of rooi koeldrank byggooi
30 Jan 2013, 19:17 pm
@gunther-71:
Prior to ’94, all the CC unions. That’s why I added the word white to your definition of oldest.
30 Jan 2013, 19:18 pm
@Angostura-62:
> The fact that the Kings feeder unions were not playing rugby at the highest level for a long time made it impossible to retain their BEST homegrown talent – by my count 24 such players that learnt their rugby in the Kings area
If you think they’re going to recruit any young future Boks soon you’d be mistaken
The talent scouts from the big unions will keep signing them up while they’re still at school, and I doubt it the Kings would be able to match their offers
Barring a draft system the status quo will remain
30 Jan 2013, 19:19 pm
@RL-74:
FS Cheetahs and Cheetahs?
30 Jan 2013, 19:20 pm
@victoriabok-76:
So in other words you are admitting that the Worcester School for the Blind XV in 1884 and the Oom Tas Paternoster Fishermen rugby club in 1885 were actually better than your beloved Bulls because they could actually compete and play the game?
That takes a big man to admit that VB, I am proud of you.
Die groot groot oupa grootjies moes minder gestop het om van antie Ossewania op die pad te piets dan sou hulle vroeer n span kon bymekaar gelas het.
30 Jan 2013, 19:21 pm
@David-77:
Ok so we pretend that there was no rugby before that?
You’d better tell your pal norty.
30 Jan 2013, 19:22 pm
@David-79: FS Cheetahs B team moered the EP Kings – now imagine what their A team will do to the EP Kings – now imagine the FS Cheetahs, reinforced with some Griquas will to to the Kings (not the EP Kings)
30 Jan 2013, 19:26 pm
@Angostura-62:
> how many of the (Mighty) Sharks & Cheetahs current squads actually come to them courtesy of Kings’ schools or provincial teams; also count the Springboks that the Sharks & Kings regions had respectively nurtured from primary school levels upwards from the beginnings of Bok rugby up to the present day
Same could be said of many unions, like the Leopards(Western Transvaal)they’ve supplied many players and Boks to the Lions and Bulls over the years
And so did Boland with WP etc etc, and they will keep on doing it
A lot of the smaller unions are feeders to the bigger ones but it doesn’t mean it justifies inclusion into Super Rugby
30 Jan 2013, 19:26 pm
@victoriabok-78:
Ne? In PE they’ve already successfully retained their first such player, Sergeal Petersen, the 2012 Coca Cola Craven Week Player of the Tournament, & now a 2013 Kings Super XV squad member.
OK, out – time to go home
30 Jan 2013, 19:27 pm
@gunther-81:
I’m devastated Gunther.
That means going to Newlands every Saturday from primary school through high school doesn’t count.
O my misspent youth
Our glory days of the 80′s wiped out with a couple of clicks on Keo.
30 Jan 2013, 19:31 pm
@nortierd-85:
Ja.
Sorry.
30 Jan 2013, 19:32 pm
@nortierd-80:
> Die groot groot oupa grootjies moes minder gestop het om van antie Ossewania op die pad te piets dan sou hulle vroeer n span kon bymekaar gelas het
Hulle was te besig om met Tranie se oupagrootjie en uitgebreide familie te baklei
En om mielies te plant en beeste te boer
Almal weet jy moet ‘n braai hou voor, gedurende en na die rugby en hoe kan jy sonder pap en wors?
Dis tydmors
Ons eet nie waterlelies nie en vis net in noodgevalle, hel ons vermy tot meisies wat snoekerig ruik
30 Jan 2013, 19:36 pm
@nortierd-85:
Volgens David was dit wit rugby, was die toeskouers op Nuweland ook seker ekslusief wit?
Ek’s seker van die ouens wat ek op tv in die staan plekke(standing room) daar gesien het was nie net almal wit nie
30 Jan 2013, 19:48 pm
@Angostura-84:
> already successfully retained their first such player, Sergeal Petersen, the 2012 Coca Cola Craven Week Player of the Tournament
I’m sure he did, most Super unions prefer bigger players, if he weighs 82kg at 18 he might reach 90kg as a professional
That’s adequate for playing in the first division
30 Jan 2013, 19:52 pm
Why dont you all just wait for tournament to start then you can all howl “I TOLD YOU SO”
I mean arent we all expecting 100 points or more against this faux team
30 Jan 2013, 19:55 pm
When Victoria gets befuck slat hy gou oor na Afrikaans toe
30 Jan 2013, 19:56 pm
@Dawn-91:
Nope, Nortie is Afrikaans and so am I
Ons pleeg Brits net in noodweer
30 Jan 2013, 19:59 pm
@Dawn-91: how are things in Hore land going?
30 Jan 2013, 20:09 pm
These tirades are crashingly mind numbingly boring.
Wait till they play, and lose, then you all be happy.
Till then, shurrup
30 Jan 2013, 20:16 pm
@Dawn-94:
Simply don’t read it
30 Jan 2013, 20:19 pm
Is Jaco Engels?
30 Jan 2013, 20:28 pm
When it was announced in 2009 that the Kings were to play SR in 2013 – I thought, great, our young black baby boks who never seem to make out of age group rugby at the unions will have a home… Instead, most of them play VC and CC first division rugby, while most of their white peers are triving in SR and CC premier division.
Here’s a list of black players that have represented SA u20 since 2008:
15 Wilton Pietersen, 2008 (last I heard he was in a serious car crash)/ Cecil Afrika, 2008 (Blitzbokke)/ Clayton Blommetjies, 2009 (BB, vc)
14 Vainon Willis (Leopards)/ Courtnal Skosan (Tuks)/Sampie Mastriet (BB, vc)/Tshotsho Mbovane, 2011+12 (Blitzbokke)
13 Lionel Mapoe, 2008 (Bulls, SR)/ Juan de Jongh, 2008 (Stormers, SR)/ Wandile Mjekevu, 2010+11 (Sharks, vc)
12 Branco du Preez, 2010
(Blizbokke)
11 Tom Seabela, 2008 (???)/ Sibusiso Sithole, 2010 (Sharks, SR)/ Tythan Adams, 2010 (Boland)/ Travis Ishmael, 2012 (BB, vc)/ Raymond Rhule, 2012 (Cheetahs)
10 Elton Jantjies, 2010 (Stormers, SR)/ Tony Jantjies, 2012 (BB, vc)
09 Rudy Paige, 2008(BB, vc)/Kevin Luiters, 2012 (Cheetahs, SR)
8 Tenday Chikukwa, 2009 (BB)/ Lubabalo Mthembu, 2010 (Sharks, SR)/ Nizaam Carr, 2011 (Stormers)/ Fabian Booysen, 2012 (Lions)
7 Luvuyiso Lusaseni, 2008 (Leopards)/ Yaya Hatzenburg, 2009 (Pumas)/ Samkelo Mabombo, 2010 (Maties)
6 Serge Morole, 2008 (UJ)/ Siya Kolisi, 2010+11 (Stormers, SR)/ Khaya Majola, 2012 (Sharks, vc)
5 Cornell Hess, 2008+09 (Bulls, SR)/Mlungisi Bali, 2010 (former BB)
4 Chene Okafor, 2009+10 (former Sharks u21)
3
2 Monde Hadebe, 2010 (Sharks, SR)/ Bongi Mbonambi, 2011 (BB, vc)
1 Sabelo Nhlapo, 2008 (Tuks)
Apart from Mapoe, de Jongh, Rhule, Elton Jantjies, Kolisi and possibly Carr, none of these players will see regular SR action. My question is then, why can’t the Kings negotiate loan deals for such players?
30 Jan 2013, 20:35 pm
@victoriabok-87:
“hel ons vermy tot meisies wat snoekerig ruik”
Jy ook Simba Keols gekoop na n date by die Pta Skougronde om jou vingers te kamofleer?
30 Jan 2013, 20:36 pm
@nortierd-98:
Kreols nie keols
30 Jan 2013, 20:37 pm
@nortierd-98:
Nee Goodwood se skouterrein
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