Kings to field four foreigners
30 Jan 2013
The Southern Kings have included four international players in their squad for the warm-up match against a Franchise XV on Friday.
On Sunday, the Kings released a statement in reaction to an article published earlier that day in Rapport. The article said that Saru would not allow the Kings to field all five of their foreigners in Super Rugby, and that the Eastern Cape franchise would be restricted to two.
EP president Cheeky Watson did, however, state that while the franchise had accepted Saru’s decision, they would not be releasing their foreign players. ‘There are still ample opportunities within our structures for them to contribute,’ Watson said at the time.
Four of these players, namely Daniel Adongo (Kenya), Hadleigh Parkes (New Zealand), Tomas Leonardi (Argentina), and Virgil Lacombe (France), have been picked to play in a warm-up fixture this Friday. A statement released by the Kings on Wednesday revealed how much game time each player will enjoy in this match.
Southern Kings:
15. Elric van Vuuren
14. Sergeal Petersen (40 mins) / Siviwe Soyizwapi (40 mins)
13. Ronnie Cooke (60 mins) / Siyanda Grey (20 mins)
12. Andries Strauss (Captain) (40 mins) / Hadleigh Parkes (40 mins)
11. Marcello Sampson (40 mins) / Siyanda Grey (20 mins) / Sergeal Petersen (20 mins)
10. George Whitehead (40 mins) / Wesley Dunlop (Vice Captain) (40 mins)
9. Shaun Venter (40 mins) / Johan Herbst (40 mins)
1. Jaco Engels (40 mins) / Schalk Ferreira (40 mins)
2. Virgil Lacombe (40 mins) / Bandise Maku (40 mins)
3. Ross Geldenhuys (40 mins) / Kevin Buys (40 mins)
4. David Bullbring (80 mins)
5. Daniel Adongo (40 mins) / Rynier Bernardo (40 mins)
6. Devin Oosthuizen (Vice Captain) (40 mins) / Tomas Leonardi (40 mins)
7. Wimpie van der Walt (40 mins) / Mpho Mbiyozo (Captain) (40 mins)
8. Jacques Engelbrecht (40 mins) / Cornell du Preez (40 mins)
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30 Jan 2013, 20:37 pm
@nortierd-99:
Ek dog jy bedoel Katools?
30 Jan 2013, 20:39 pm
@victoriabok-101:
Klink omtrent reg.
Goodwood skougronde se jy, ja nee, as daai ou ysskaatsbaan kon praat…..
30 Jan 2013, 20:43 pm
@nortierd-98:
Ek en Voël(Vogel maar almal noem hom Voël) het altyd daai Kreols gekoop as ons patrollie gery het in Cullinan
Ons het dit p chips genoem
30 Jan 2013, 20:49 pm
@victoriabok-103:
Dis nou weer terug op die mark hier by ons.
Het n pak gekoop vir nostalgiese redes, maar dit proe maar sleg.
Daai tyd was dit lekker
30 Jan 2013, 20:53 pm
When it was announced in 2009 that the Kings were to play SR in 2013 – I thought, great, our young black baby boks who never seem to make out of age group rugby at the unions will have a home… Instead, most of them will be playing VC and CC first division rugby, whilst most of their white peers are triving in SR and CC premier division.
Here’s a list of black players that have represented SA u20 since 2008:
15 Wilton Pietersen, 2008 (last I heard he was in a serious car crash)/ Cecil Afrika, 2008 (Blitzbokke)/ Clayton Blommetjies, 2009 (BB, vc)
14 Vainon Willis (Leopards)/ Courtnal Skosan (Tuks)/Sampie Mastriet (BB, vc)/Tshotsho Mbovane, 2011+12 (Blitzbokke)
13 Lionel Mapoe, 2008 (Bulls, SR)/ Juan de Jongh, 2008 (Stormers, SR)/ Wandile Mjekevu, 2010+11 (Sharks, vc)
12 Branco du Preez, 2010
(Blizbokke)
11 Tom Seabela, 2008 (???)/ Sibusiso Sithole, 2010 (Sharks, SR)/ Tythan Adams, 2010 (Boland)/ Travis Ishmael, 2012 (BB, vc)/ Raymond Rhule, 2012 (Cheetahs)
10 Elton Jantjies, 2010 (Stormers, SR)/ Tony Jantjies, 2012 (BB, vc)
09 Rudy Paige, 2008(BB, vc)/Kevin Luiters, 2012 (Cheetahs, SR)
8 Tenday Chikukwa, 2009 (BB)/ Lubabalo Mthembu, 2010 (Sharks, SR)/ Nizaam Carr, 2011 (Stormers)/ Fabian Booysen, 2012 (Lions)
7 Luvuyiso Lusaseni, 2008 (Leopards)/ Yaya Hatzenburg, 2009 (Pumas)/ Samkelo Mabombo, 2010 (Maties)
6 Serge Morole, 2008 (UJ)/ Siya Kolisi, 2010+11 (Stormers, SR)/ Khaya Majola, 2012 (Sharks, vc)
5 Cornell Hess, 2008+09 (Bulls, SR)/Mlungisi Bali, 2010 (former BB)
4 Chene Okafor, 2009+10 (former Sharks u21)
3
2 Monde Hadebe, 2010 (Sharks, SR)/ Bongi Mbonambi, 2011 (BB, vc)
1 Sabelo Nhlapo, 2008 (Tuks)
Apart from Mapoe, de Jongh, Rhule, Elton Jantjies, Kolisi and possibly Carr, none of these players will see regular SR action. My question is then, why can’t the Kings negotiate loan deals for the rest?
For instance… with Daniel, Kanko, Deysel, Alberts, Coetzee, Kleinhans, Botes, Jordaan, Whitehead, Steyn and Bosman the Sharks would have no plausable reason not to release Mthembu, Majola and Mjekevu.
30 Jan 2013, 20:58 pm
@nortierd-104:
Wat was die ander een wat ook so visserig was, dit was sulke pienk skulpies amper soos vis kaaskrulle?
30 Jan 2013, 20:59 pm
@mxhosa-105:
Alan Solomons said that he wanted to bring home to PE all those players representing provinces elsewhere in the country.
Now, if only pigs could fly.
30 Jan 2013, 21:01 pm
@victoriabok-106:
Daai prawn flavoured goed?
Kan nie die naam onthou nie, Woolworths verkoop dit nog
30 Jan 2013, 21:02 pm
I would expect Hadleigh Parkes to make the starting squad come the start of Super Rugby. His elevation to captain of Auckland in the last ITM cup improved his play on the field, his leadership within the Kings backs will add some stability.
30 Jan 2013, 21:02 pm
@nortierd-104:
Have you got your tickets yet? Got 8, mixture of Bulls and Stormers supporters – but mostly Bulls. I wouldn’t have it any other way.
30 Jan 2013, 21:03 pm
@I am a stormer-107:
And I want to win the lotto and hump Kate Upton
30 Jan 2013, 21:04 pm
@nortierd-108:
Yes, daai een
Stink soos die Verpleegters koshuis on ‘n Sondagaand
30 Jan 2013, 21:05 pm
@mxhosa-105: I think that is quite interesting….I think Kings would come up with some plausible reason not to do that, frankly I think they don’t think the players are maybe good enough but don’t want to be put into a position and having to say it. Otherwise why haven’t they done this instead of getting in overseas players. Wonder why no one else has thought of this, its actually quite logical.
30 Jan 2013, 21:10 pm
@Treehugger-113:
They could have used some good players from other First Division teams as well
30 Jan 2013, 21:19 pm
@mxhosa-105: you must have pulled your hair out when the Kings fielded an all white team in the match against the FS.
30 Jan 2013, 21:31 pm
@RL-115:
Nee hulle maak dit op soos hulle aangaan, wit is die nuwe swart wanneer dit hulle pas
30 Jan 2013, 21:42 pm
@I am a stormer-110:
yep, 22nd in my new jersey will be gracing Loftus.
@victoriabok-112:
Dis nogal n mental image
30 Jan 2013, 21:47 pm
@nortierd-117:
Speler 23
30 Jan 2013, 21:51 pm
@victoriabok-118:
met die nuwe sub reels word ek seker 24
30 Jan 2013, 21:54 pm
@nortierd-119:
Van wanneer af tree dit in werking?
30 Jan 2013, 21:55 pm
@RL-115:
I have no hair to pull :p, but I was rather disappointed in that team.
30 Jan 2013, 21:58 pm
@mxhosa-121:
Smooth like a Ken doll down there eh?
30 Jan 2013, 21:58 pm
@victoriabok-120:
dog dit is al.
moet n volle voorry op die bank he.
aangeneem dit tel vir die super rugby ook
30 Jan 2013, 22:01 pm
@nortierd-123:
Goed so, geen voorry verdien om 80 minute rond te hardloop nie of hoe?
30 Jan 2013, 22:01 pm
@victoriabok-116:
Is ek die hulle waarvan jy praat?
30 Jan 2013, 22:14 pm
@mxhosa-125:
Glo jy ook aan dubbele standaarde?
Indien die antwoord ja is dan is die antwoord vanselfsprekend
30 Jan 2013, 22:21 pm
How are these foreigners helping the development of EC rugby? I thought that was the point of the Kings?
30 Jan 2013, 22:22 pm
The Rebels might have been allowed 10 foreign players in their first year, but their aim was to be competitive.
The Kings are only there for political reasons, being competitive is unimportant.
30 Jan 2013, 22:23 pm
@mxhosa-105: how many players in active Super rugby teams have ever gone on loan to other franchises?
30 Jan 2013, 22:30 pm
ek sien al die wittertjies huil nog oor die Kings.. hulle wil eerde die Kings sien reguit geklop word as eenige moontlikheid dat hul miskien a sukses storie uithaal.
as die Kings sukses behaal is die n ware traantjie in die ou vierkleur se wittertjie se oogie werd
30 Jan 2013, 22:32 pm
hierdie wittertjie dink hy is ‘n swartjie.
30 Jan 2013, 22:34 pm
maar jy’s taamlik nie eers n suid afrikaner jy behoord in die ou dame se frilly lace parade daar op buckingham palace
30 Jan 2013, 22:37 pm
@victoriabok-126:
I’ve spent of my time on this site highliting the lack of black players in SR and CC premier division…. Why then would I be happy to see a lily white CC first division team? I’d rather see Lusaseni instead of Devin Oosthuizen and Vince Gwavu instead of vd Walt, but alas that is not to be… I will go to the stadium to watch the Kings though, an experience RL will be missing out on this year, SR experience that is.
Volgende keer vra aseblief vir my opienie (spelling). Ek is nie `n hulle nie!
30 Jan 2013, 22:39 pm
Ay yay yay I truly wish the KrapKings well, they are SAcan after all, but I just cannot see them being a threat at all. I think there are big scorelines in store. Also, they way they gained entrance stinks so I don’t really care about them either way.
I remember the announcement of Puke Twatson being apppointed an “honorary black”. Did I miss the announcement of skopdiekunt being appointed an honorary black too? This foreign invader has colonised his foreign born brain of all sense.
30 Jan 2013, 22:40 pm
@mxhosa-133: better not to think about race at all……… lily white…… coal black……. who cares??????? As long as the best players available play, right?
30 Jan 2013, 22:40 pm
just laid my hands on this book.
http://www.wadardbooks.co.uk/acatalog/info_162.html
on the 1st page craven says
“The World War has been blamed for much, from the rise of Communism to the lack of municipal amenities in Pampoenville. But its effect on rugby was healthy & beneficial.
Some provincial centres, like Northern Transvaal, received a great fillip as a result of the war. Star players from other centres were posted there for military training, and their play set a standard and example for the youngsters who saw them in action at the Loftus Versfeld grounds.
For a province which had only recently achieved independence it meant a lot to have those players there.
I put it forward as one of the reasons why that province, in its first participation in thr Currie Cup Competition in 1946, won it.”
30 Jan 2013, 22:40 pm
dis tyd dat Afrika weer vir egte Afrikaners laat trots voel.. die wat wil weg fok laat hulle maar weg fok doer erens anderplek oorkant die see toe.. net soos die wat al dag na nag huil oor hulle suiwer ou kolonie wat dag na dag besig is om egtelik Afrika vir egte Afrikaners te word..
hulle huil nog steeds oor hulle ou herinderinne maar hulle bly maar weg veilig in hulle nuwe tuis in hulle nuwe kolonie wat hulle nou tans nie eintlik heeltemaal kan egtelik tuis noem.
30 Jan 2013, 22:41 pm
@mxhosa-105: @I am a stormer-107: @Treehugger-113:
No, that is looking at matters superficially; the Kings have to play the hand they were dealt to the best of their ability; in finance you have to balance your asset & liability mix, i.e. you have to marry your asset & liability duration (i.e. it is dangerous funding long term assets with short term money); well, the Kings were dealt this hand: 6 months’ notice of participation, 1 year guarantee of participation.
That is ludicrous – that had not been contemplated by anyone, not even SARU (in as far as they’ve let on) & had never happened before; & it was contrary to both SARU & the King’s reason for the King’s elevation to SR status. The King’s medium to long term aims were (1) to bring top flight rugby to the EC for the benefit of their spectators, their players & the (generally economically depressed) community at large, (2) the retention of their homegrown talent via opportunities at the highest level, (3) the transformation & development of rugby in their regions, especially among the previously disadvantaged. These are all laudable aims, but they are medium to long term, not 1 year aims that can be achieved with 6 months’ prior notice.
C’mon, get real: SARU’s malicious or grossly reckless delayed decision left the Kings with no choice – they were hurled into survival mode, & forced to think short term, & I guess, without knowing, forced to temporarily abandon their medium to long term plans in favour of short term survival. That entailed buying the best proven players that they could within the much too late & far too short window of opportunity granted them – and THAT is exactly what they did. To use an example, whereas Hess, Mthembu & Mjekevu would almost certainly have been better 3-year purchases, it is unlikely that they would have been better 1-year purchases/loans than Sykes, Leonardi & Parkes. The Kings had no choice but to go for players who had experience at high level, such as S15-, European Club competition- & International level. That is the reality.
So lets get real. To not do so is pure bloody-mindedness.
30 Jan 2013, 22:44 pm
Lol I see skop is still banging on about colonialism and telling people to leave. Not very tolerant is our little shortshit friend, is he?
Is colonialism your new bug bear or will Jake White regain your stuck record ire once the rugby starts?
30 Jan 2013, 22:46 pm
@Transformation-129:
This is an abnormal situation that SARU and the Kings find themselves in. A long time ago, I remember a young Gary Botha being drafted by the Sharks when he deemed surplus to requirements at the Bulls. So too Gurthro Steenkamp when he was behind Os du Randt and Lawrence Sephaka at the Cats.
It’s not only good for SA rugby, but also for the players as well the franchises, because they get back players with SR experience and as a result a stronger squad come CC time when the boks are away.
30 Jan 2013, 22:47 pm
Pity is Kings will likely get hammered they do not have a player base capable to withstand the rigors of SR in this short term infusion of thrust into the deep end survival mode..
IF they could get ALL their homegrown talent back that would be a vastly different story.. but this sad state of mercenary affairs that give suckup franchises like Sharkshits and Bulls buying rights over indigenous home grown talents like EC prevents that potentiality happening in the immediate short term.
30 Jan 2013, 22:49 pm
What of the colonialism of one foreign born jewish bakkiebouer in West Jozi? Shouldn’t this foreign born invader be turfed in to the sea? Does he belong in Africa?
30 Jan 2013, 22:51 pm
Jake White is a two bit little two face chickenshit just like all these big talking colonialists who talk big breek but run for the safety net of some estranged remote colony to hang out in while their hart verlang na die plek van waar hulle weggehardloop het
30 Jan 2013, 22:55 pm
I got zero hang ups about being associated and at home with true indigenous Africans.. the difference is two bit whitey colonialists like you do…
30 Jan 2013, 22:55 pm
@mxhosa-140:
I agree with that.
Whether it will ever happen is anyone’s guess.
As long as the Union contracts and pays the player they won’t release them, and although it might not be in the best interest of South Africa, it’s still their perogotive and right.
Then you get some of the bigger unions buying talent not necessarily to play them, but to prohibit other unions of playing them lest they be a threat to them in future, think of the Bulls buying Kennedy Tsimba from the Cheetahs and leaving him on the bench, but when he played for FS he was a threat.
The same for Zane, scored the winning try against them for Griekwas and the next season he was a Bull, yet Roets was their fullback.
He was lucky though as Roets announced his retirement at a young age which came as a surprise to everyone and Zane got his chance much earlier than anyone could have anticipated.
30 Jan 2013, 23:01 pm
Kirchner, Basson, Engelbrecht, Potgieter, Sadie, Hougaard, and now Mapoe all made big mistakes signing for the Herstigte Nasionale Bulls.. their careers and talents took a nose dive as soon as they donned that baby powder blue washed out faded jaded jersey
30 Jan 2013, 23:06 pm
and then they made it even worse they went from faded jaded washed out baby powder blue jerseys to shocking f’ng pienk.. how f’ng DUMB can these herstigte nasionale pers blommetjie blou frill nulletjies actually be?
30 Jan 2013, 23:06 pm
@Angostura-138: owned it!
30 Jan 2013, 23:07 pm
@Transformation-136:
> I put it forward as one of the reasons why that province, in its first participation in thr Currie Cup Competition in 1946, won it.”
Just like WP used Boland players all these years?
30 Jan 2013, 23:09 pm
@Transformation-136:
> municipal amenities in Pampoenville
Still better than farking PE
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