Serfontein to start against Lions
30 Jan 2013
Baby Boks centre Jan Serfontein has been included in the Bulls’ starting side for Saturday’s Gauteng Cup match against the Lions.
Serfontein will partner new Bulls recruit Lionel Mapoe in the midfield. Coach Frans Ludeke has also included two more former Lions in the pack, with Grant Hattingh and Paul Willemse starting in the second row.
Handre Pollard, another promising player who featured for the Baby Boks in the successful 2012 Junior World Championship campaign, is on the bench.
Bulls – 15 Jurgen Visser, 14 Travis Ismael, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Jan Serfontein, 11 Sampie Mastriet, 10 Louis Fouche, 9 Jano Vermaak, 8 Arno Botha, 7 Jean Cook, 6 Deon Stegmann (c), 5 Grant Hattingh, 4 Paul Willemse, 3 Frik Kirsten, 2 Willie Wepener, 1 Juan Schoeman.
Subs: 16 Bongo Mbonambi, 17 Hencus van Wyk, 18 Wiaan Liebenberg, 19 Cornell Hess, 20 Ruan Snyman, 21 Handre Pollard, 22 Ulrich Beyers, 23 Jacques du Plessis.
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31 Jan 2013, 11:21 am
chris’s stick is probably the longest of the lot and the reason you rate him so highly?
31 Jan 2013, 11:23 am
@gunther-197:
Fair points. I know they also use the “friendly pitches” argument when comparing Warne and Muri– Muri played much more on spinners friendly pitches (sub continent) than Shane did.
31 Jan 2013, 11:24 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-199:
Ja, sorry i posted the same , did not see your post.
31 Jan 2013, 11:26 am
Sangakarra’s average of 55+ for a wicketkeeper is just insane.
31 Jan 2013, 11:28 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-201:
He’s a kuk cricketer but for some reason always gets mentioned by the fundis when batting is discussed
I wonder why
31 Jan 2013, 11:38 am
@Dawn-205:
because he is not a kak cricketer…he’s just not the best cricketer.
31 Jan 2013, 11:38 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-191:
This trial has been going on for a long time.
I read the article and thought that many boerseuns (not them only but this case illustrates it) find themselves in that type of situation. Emotional abusive parents.
Why is that? Well it’s because the ideology of apartheid based on the false Nazi religion or occult resulted in a national drive to ‘rise from the ashes’ – eg the South African War of 1902. Leaders became diabolically obsessed with ‘work’ (for the cause of the afrikaner) and young impressionable men absorbed these teachings.
As life goes they eventually get married and have children. These fathers are now so numbed/challenged emotionally that they are unable to bond with their children. They become the judgmental authority figures preferring to read their ‘Die Burger’ or ‘Beeld’ or ‘Volksblad’ newspaper instead of tuning into the child’s world.
Of course a generalisation but I think our sample will be representative enough.
Now out of this dysfunctional dynamic – you cannot call it a relationship – weird behavioural patterns get established. The submissive ones go into ‘gatkruip mode’ ; the angry ones join ‘rebellious type organisations’ ; overly religious ones get involved in cults/sects and the artistic ones are labelled ghay.
Anyway, some have speculated that this craving for fatherly affirmation and love, turns sexual…
31 Jan 2013, 11:39 am
@Dawn-205:
It’s to do with the c ocky/confident (nearly arrogant) but still cool and “go for it” attitude of many jamaicans.
Bolt, gayle, Bob marley ……….
31 Jan 2013, 11:40 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-206:
Stop dissing Mr Cool.
Jamaican Dawn crazy.
31 Jan 2013, 11:41 am
@Robzim-208:
Although gayle cannot really be compared to the other 2 in terms of greatness. Sorry Dawn.
31 Jan 2013, 11:46 am
@Transformation-186: Can’t blame the Guptas for covering their bases.
31 Jan 2013, 11:47 am
@gunther-209:
bet the after game parties at Gayles pad must be the best by far though.
jaimacan me higher……like a lion…. in zion…
31 Jan 2013, 11:54 am
@gunther-209:
31 Jan 2013, 11:54 am
Some may view post 207 as an attack on the afrikaners.
It is not.
Instead, it aimed at unmasking the ‘manufactured false religion’ which these leaders created and called it ‘afrikanerdom’
At the heart of it lies false religion, that is: a system based on false beliefs.
How can you blame anyone who is born into a white afrikaans speaking family in south africa for being afrikaans? It’s absurd. These men and women bring valuable traits and abilities to the south african table. In other words, they bring us much – not more not less – than anyone else to the table.
But our task has to be this: to unmask false religion
If we do that, problems like lack of game time in rugby for players of colour will be no more. Fear and the resultant suspicion of anyone who does not look like you will be phase out.
31 Jan 2013, 11:55 am
@Sheriff-214:
What are you talking about?
31 Jan 2013, 11:56 am
What has false religion got to do with game time
31 Jan 2013, 11:59 am
@Sheriff-214: jou fassinasie spreek meer van jou as wat jy sê
31 Jan 2013, 11:59 am
@stormersboy-211:
They’ve got the knives out for the DA now.
I doubt there is any more cash coming their way.
31 Jan 2013, 12:02 pm
@shooter-217:
Is nogal waar
31 Jan 2013, 12:05 pm
Who are these Guptas
How does one get an invite to dinner
31 Jan 2013, 12:05 pm
@Dawn-215:
You know what I’m talking about. Digest and reflect.
You always like to know what I’m up to so here. One of my tasks yesterday was to pick up my son at a rather big athletics meeting held at Pilditch.
Upon my arrival the announcer (frustrated or overlooked commentator) was doing his thing in Afrikaans. In a fleeting moment I remembered the days when everything was Afrikaans or shall I say Afrikaner.
Even saw Pieter Hendriks (who ran around Campese in 95) there. I first had a chuckle to myself (hearing the commentary) and then thought: why can he not do the commentary in Afrikaans? 90% of the kids there are Afrikaans, so what’s wrong with it?
I guess (internal) conclusion was that if we embrace diversity then we must embrace all of it.
31 Jan 2013, 12:06 pm
@Sheriff-214:
Indeed this is a concern
’ANC is the most racist party’
Updated: 11:10 31-01-2013
Grassroots members of South Africa’s ruling ANC believe that the famed anti-apartheid party is sidelining non-black supporters, according to a potentially politically explosive study published on Wednesday.
Research by the Ahmed Kathrada Foundation — formed by Nelson Mandela’s ex-prison mate and fellow anti-apartheid activist — showed that ANC members who are not black feel left out because of their race.
“Generally speaking, branch members have deep-seated concerns with non-racialism in the ANC and in society more broadly,” said the report posted on the foundation’s website.
One respondent told the researchers that “in the ANC racism is still very strong and it can be proven any day, anywhere.”
Another said “the ANC is more racist than any political party at the moment.”
The ANC “preaches about being non-racist… but is doing the opposite,” added another party member.
The impression that the party promotes the interests of blacks first has seen its support base eaten away in sections of the population, the report concluded.
“Indeed the perception (whether real or imagined) that the ANC is advancing only the interests of Africans has led to loss of electoral support in ‘minority areas’.”
The study was conducted in the country’s largest city and its economic hub, Johannesburg.
Respondents were sampled from South Africa’s four main racial groups — blacks, whites, people of Indian descent and those of mixed race, known colloquially as “coloureds”.
Branch members in the predominately coloured Eldorado Park neighbourhood and those in the highbrow and mainly white suburb of Sandton “are frustrated with the party and feel much anger about the way they are treated,” the report said.
“This has made the role of being an ANC branch member in these areas very challenging, and often thankless.”
The results of the study showed that the party, which prides itself as an example of democracy in Africa, has fewer members of the minority races occupying leadership positions at branch level.
“Many branch members are disillusioned about the manner in which members are awarded senior positions,” said the study, with many believing these are ‘only open to Africans’.”
“This raises significant questions about democracy in the party,” it added.
ANC officials could not immediately be reached for comment.
While acknowledging that race relations have significantly improved since the ANC took to office nearly two decades ago, the study noted that members also feared broader societal trends.
“Branch members feel not enough change has taken place and that racial tensions are impeding social cohesion and concomitant growth and progress in the country.”
Source: AFP Published: 04:50 31-01-2013
31 Jan 2013, 12:07 pm
@shooter-217:
But it always gets your attention; it always motivates you to at least say something.
You cannot not say anything.
31 Jan 2013, 12:13 pm
@Dawn-216:
If your coach subconsciously thinks that some players are superior because of flawed mental models, he will show his hand accordingly
31 Jan 2013, 12:22 pm
@Sheriff-223: moerse
31 Jan 2013, 12:23 pm
@gunther-222:
Do you want me to defend the ANC?
ANC = Nats = ANC = Nats
Both :racist, lie all the time, steal. So they’re on par in my book.
31 Jan 2013, 12:24 pm
IMHO:
This says it all.
JH Kallis (ICC/SA)
1995-2013
160
270
40
13048
224
56.73
44
57
14
31 Jan 2013, 12:25 pm
@shooter-225:
Ek probeer jou nie opsweep nie. Ek wil net hê jy moet gaan nadink oor hierdie dinge.
Worstel.
31 Jan 2013, 12:27 pm
@Sheriff-224: jou hele pseudo sielkundige ontleding is gebaseer op ‘n gevallestudie van ekstreme regse elemente. natuurlik raas die ouens se koppe.
as ek nou ‘n klomp drivel post oor die nommers bendes en dit ekstrapoleer na die algemene nasie, gaan ek mos ook soos ‘n sot klink.
31 Jan 2013, 12:29 pm
http://www.sport24.co.za/Multimedia/Rugby/SBW-has-nightmares-20130131
Oh dear.
31 Jan 2013, 12:30 pm
@Sheriff-226:
For once somebody agreed with you.
Quit whilst you are behind.
31 Jan 2013, 12:33 pm
@shooter-229:
Ek skryf in Afrikaans vir jou want ek sien jy is heelwat meer ‘assertive’ in jou moeder taal.
Ek stel dit aan jou om my verkeerd te bewys. Skryf in Afrikaans.
Wat jy nie verstaan nie dat dat afrikaners se valse godsdienstige ‘geloof’ die land op ‘n koers gesit het waarvan ons nou nog probeer wegkom. Jy praat nog van ‘n Kaapse kleurling; waar kom jy daaraan?
Die bendes se doen en late is dus nie vergelykbaar met die afrikaner apartheidleierskorps nie. Die bendes se invloed stop in die tronke. Ek vertrou dat jy dit kan insien…
31 Jan 2013, 12:40 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-230: good day Ped Lady.Were you talking about Biff.If your brthday
may it be fabulous
31 Jan 2013, 12:41 pm
@gunther-231:
Just like you, I also always look for a reason to disagree with you.
31 Jan 2013, 12:44 pm
@Sheriff-232: I called you yesterday.
In desperation.You did not come.Gunther has offered to explain it to you.
Said you were getting busy with the tannies at woolworths.
Have a good day.
31 Jan 2013, 12:44 pm
@Sheriff-207: hilarious stuff lawman
31 Jan 2013, 12:45 pm
@ryecatcher-233: Good afternoon good sir. I have a few months to wait before I can celebrate another year on the planet
Smithday, Biffday
His 100th test as captain tommorrow.
31 Jan 2013, 12:47 pm
@Sheriff-221: It’s the nature vs nurture thing with a twist.
You are certainly correct in terms of influences, religious or otherwise.
The specific data is a litte light though.
31 Jan 2013, 12:49 pm
A person, like a sheep, is an independent thinking, logical being.
But as a group, like sheep, they are, well, like sheep.
31 Jan 2013, 12:53 pm
@ryecatcher-235:
Rule no 1: You have read what I say very carefully. Pay attention to brackets, commas and the like.
If you did, you would have noticed that I indicated that I will be back ‘much later’; experienced bloggers like myself have a ‘sweepers routine’ that by now is firmly embedded.
The ‘sweepers routine’ is the act of checking the activity on the blog regularly whether you were active on it or not on a day. At times things slip out, because people think you’re not ‘there’
Some skilled bloggers on this platform will produce some of your posts of say 3 years ago within 3 minutes so be careful what you say, how you say etc
31 Jan 2013, 12:54 pm
@Sheriff-214: ” But our task has to be this: to unmask false
religion
If we do that, problems like lack of game
time in rugby for players of colour will be
no more. Fear and the resultant suspicion
of anyone who does not look like you will
be phase out.”
is this like when Bakkies said he didn’t like Amla because he had a ridiculous “arnenian beard” and his wife wore that face-covering hoodie plus Amla didn’t want to promote booze?
31 Jan 2013, 12:55 pm
@Transformation-236:
I wish it was just funny, but unfortunately there’s some large chunks of truth in there as well
31 Jan 2013, 12:56 pm
@Sheriff-232: ok harmansdrup. eerstens. jy verwys na jouself ook so. is bruinmense vir jou beter? nou toe dan.
glo jy wat jy wil. ek weet baie goed wat is en wat fout was met afrikaners. jy dink jy weet. ek weet egter ook wat alles reg is met hulle.
en ook ‘n baie goeie idee wat fout is met swartmense en bruinmense en indiërs. en waarskynlik ook wat reg is met hulle. jy kom hier met jou ewige kamma platoniese opmerkings en obeservasies.
ek kom nie en teem oor die euwels van tik en watookal nie. ek wil nie ongevraagde kommentaar lewer oor bruinmense nie. maar jy is permanent besig met jou hiper vervelige analises van die ‘afrikaners’. wie het jou gevra? jy het al so baie aanvegbare dinge hier kwyt geraak. baie meer beledigend as wat jy eens vermoed. as dieselfde geskryf was oor ander rassegroepe, sou dit ook hoogs onaanvaarbaar gewees het. oor valse geloof en sulke onderwerpe gaan ek nie verder met jou probeer praat nie. ek het nie ‘n opinie daaroor nie. valse geloof is valse geloof. of dit in mali algeria, usa of waarookal is. stuur vir ons jou ware-geloof manifes. of eerder nie.
ek hoef oor zero te worstel. worstel jy maar voort.
31 Jan 2013, 12:59 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-238:
You mean I should not read too much into this ‘isolated’ incident.
As a relative newcomer here on keo you may not be aware of the fact that I work very hard to be learn more and more about my fellow south africans, or as Boeta Dippenaar says: Sa africans.
A lot of case studies may have been discussed before your time ( I mean it in a good way)
So I’m not so far from the things that I write about.
31 Jan 2013, 13:01 pm
@gunther-222: i agree fully with the article, pluralism is dead in most ANC branches & factionalism is the order if the day. ideas are not vetted on their merit but frim which side they come from ditto the appointments to senior positions in the party.
31 Jan 2013, 13:02 pm
@Transformation-241:
Credit to Bakkies because he did apologise on the day and my sense was that he really meant it.
But yes, that is an excellent example in my view.
I’ve always maintained that keo.co.za is primarily a learning platform. I have learnt so much since posting my 1st one a few years ago.
31 Jan 2013, 13:07 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-230: He will sleep much better after Fransie gives him a pielewapper or two.
@shooter-243: Everyday he’s struggling….
31 Jan 2013, 13:13 pm
@shooter-243:
Ai ou klong, ek wil in Afrikaans antwoord en jy weet ek kan, maar dit spel/tik nie so lekker nie.
Maar ek lees wat jy sê en **** jou hart.
Ek dink jy moet maar verlief neem met my manier van skryf. Ek skryf juis so aangesien rugby mos die terrein van die afrikaner is, so dink hulle.
As ek jou post lees, dan klink jy seergemaak of teleur gesteld.
Ek wil jou aanmoedig om enige positiewe or kritiese opmerking oor enige iets te skryf. Skryf. Jy weet tog seker dat mense dit wat jy sê sal bevraagteken en jy jou saak sal moet stel.
Keo.co.za het ‘n ryke geskiedenis waar mense hulself uitdruk nes hulle wil, maar soos jy weet moet jy ten alle tye jou stellings kan staaf.
In short, my way of writing is to engage with others. Hopefully they can show me something and I’m a better man for it. Now not you nor any other person will deny me that learning opportunity.
31 Jan 2013, 13:15 pm
@Sheriff-244: No, I’m not saying you shouldn’t read too much into this incident at all.
I’m saying that it’s often dangerous to come to any sort of conclusion/s without empirical evidence to support the original hypothesis.
Responsible reporting if you will?
But you’re free to think, do, believe, say what you wish.
@Dilligafrican-247: I’m looking forward to that fight…..bigtime.
31 Jan 2013, 13:25 pm
I wanted to end post 240 with this:
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