SBW survives late White Buffalo onslaught
8 Feb 2013
Sonny Bill Williams beat Francois Botha on points in Brisbane after the boxing bout was controversially reduced from 12 to 10 rounds during the fight.
The former All Blacks centre was hanging on by a thread in what turned out to be the last round and would almost certainly have lost if another two rounds had been allowed.
The judges awarded the fight to Williams 97-91, 98-94 and 97-91.
‘I love Sonny Bill, but this is bullshit,’ Botha said afterwards. ‘I beat him hands free!’
Earlier, Wallabies flyhalf Quade Cooper won his first professional fight in a first-round knockout of Australian Barry Dunnett.
There will be repeats of both fights on SuperSport at 3pm (SS5) and 7pm (SS1).
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10 Feb 2013, 17:03 pm
@I am a stormer-899:
The Cobras are the best Franchise/provincial,state team in the world today. At full strenght they can call upon Kallis, Smith, Vernon, Duminy and the incredible Steyn. Stronger then 90% of test teams imo.
10 Feb 2013, 17:04 pm
@CharlesM-900:
Oh no… thats the worst start imaginable… farkit!
10 Feb 2013, 17:06 pm
@Robzim-902: Yes….torn ligaments; 6 to 8 weeks – very bad !!!
10 Feb 2013, 17:07 pm
@CharlesM-903: I hope AC doesn’t pick Steenkamp at 4 but rather Elstadt
10 Feb 2013, 17:07 pm
@CharlesM-903:
They will probably move Raynard to number 4 now. Not a bad replacement at all.
10 Feb 2013, 17:09 pm
@CharlesM-900:
What a bummer. At the time it sounded more serious than it was. But with Bekker, Steenekamp, Armand and Elstadt there should be enough firepower to get us going into the comp.
Once again, our depth gets tested already.
10 Feb 2013, 17:09 pm
@Robzim-905: Great minds think alike !! lol
10 Feb 2013, 17:12 pm
@CharlesM-907:
No doubt about that lol.
Just hope AC reads this blog.
Lots if free advice available
10 Feb 2013, 17:14 pm
@I am a stormer-906:
There’s also the 7/4 we got from the Lions. Good player and I’ve forgotten his name already.
10 Feb 2013, 17:15 pm
@David-909:
Rhodes
10 Feb 2013, 17:16 pm
Early handbags in Dublin.
Lots of wannabe SBW’s out there
10 Feb 2013, 17:24 pm
Heavy underfoot conditions favouring the dour Irish team.
10 Feb 2013, 17:29 pm
O’Driscoll still has a lot of savvy
10 Feb 2013, 17:33 pm
@Robzim-910:
Thanks.
10 Feb 2013, 17:34 pm
@Robzim-913:
He was MoM last week. Apparently he was up most of last night with his wife giving birth.
10 Feb 2013, 17:40 pm
@David-915:
By far the best centre of his generation imo.
10 Feb 2013, 17:55 pm
@Robzim-916:
I agree.
10 Feb 2013, 17:58 pm
Just seen that Rhodes is also injured.
10 Feb 2013, 19:57 pm
SEVERE doubts have been cast on Francois Botha’s reported positive test to a banned substance before his WBA title fight against Sonny Bill Williams.
Fairfax Media stated Sunday night that Botha’s urine tested positive for banned stimulant Phentermine after a sample was taken last Tuesday.
However, Australian National Boxing Federation committee member John Hogg said it would be “bizarre” if Botha was even tested, let alone did so knowing he would fail.
Hogg is the ANBF Queensland representative and was the man who sent Botha for his full medical last week.
Hogg said there were no compulsory performance enhancing drugs tests required for boxers in Queensland and he had never heard of Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority spot-testing professional boxers in Queensland.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/boxing-mma/doubts-raised-over-claims-that-francois-botha-tested-positive-to-a-banned-substance-following-sonny-bill-williams-fight/story-fndeeimb-1226574876533
10 Feb 2013, 20:45 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-919:
Still going on about it? Did you time the 10th round today during the re-broadcast of the fight?
10 Feb 2013, 21:04 pm
@nama1-920:
no, i didn’t have the time.
did you?
10 Feb 2013, 21:25 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-921:
No.
For me the fight is over and done with. The result is in the record books but it is obvious that you are not done with it yet.
10 Feb 2013, 21:46 pm
@nama1-922:
I really do not understand how some of these guys are going on about it.
Bakkies is a joke,carrying on like a baby. Quoting papers that defends his arguments yet leaves everything else out that does not.
Fight is over with. The whole thing like boxing cheated the fans.
10 Feb 2013, 21:51 pm
It is official…Sbw is WBA International Champion. Well done…..
Nz ALL DAY…….the t shirt is being done as I speak.
10 Feb 2013, 22:18 pm
@Te Rangatira-924: I see SBW tweeted that he got a congrats call from WBA. I’ve never seen a sport where every official has a different opinion. So far two guys from WBA came out and said it’s probably not sanctioned, there were no WBA officials there and it should have been 12 rounds. Khodder says the last WBA International Champ fight was 10 rounds and it was agreed a year ago that it was for the title. I’m lost
10 Feb 2013, 23:07 pm
Not even sure if SA has a heavyweight champ anymore but it’s extremely likely that Botha’s next fight will be held here and the gullible will flock there in their droves to see him.
They will find some bum-of-the-month from up north to come fight him for the “All African Championship”…
10 Feb 2013, 23:51 pm
Saw the last 5 rounds again and Sonny Bill should get the hell out of boxing before his image and confidence and marketability in rugby gets shot to hell because he became a second rated boxer.
Francois Botha is an over the hill has been yet he was getting stronger as the fight entered the end zone and SBW was getting hammered. If either these two met a real current world rated primed heavy weight boxer they’d both get smacked to kingdom come.
Sonny Bill should get out the clutches of Nasrudien Khomeini because he’s trading him up the garbage patch. Wtf is a world renowned rugby player looking for in the seedy world of crooked boxing promoters?
11 Feb 2013, 00:03 am
Advance apologies for long post coming up – if you are not interested in the current debate du jour, please ignore & scroll down past it.
11 Feb 2013, 00:09 am
How’s this WBA put out a statutory rules in their standard contract and the on some promoters whim they condoning to change it because his fighter can’t handle the statutory distance.
This game is crooked and anyone buying this WBA title belt as legitimate is getting
suckered by the crooked cretins running the crooked business
11 Feb 2013, 00:30 am
NZ Professional Boxing
NZ professional boxing seems to be a shambles typified by conflicts of interest, nepotism, & sporadic incidents of dubious decisions & wilful misrepresentation of bouts as officially sanctioned international title fights.
It seems that there are two NZ professional boxing bodies of control, the NZNBF (the New Zealand National Boxing Federation) and the NZPBA (the New Zealand Professional Boxing Association). There appears to be no love lost between the two bodies, and the latter body (the NZPBA) appears to be the stronger.
Lance Revill is the current president of the NZPBA. He is also a New Zealand boxing promoter and referee.
Lance has four children: Lance Jacob (known as Jake – also a professional boxer) Revill, Lisa Ann Hohneck, Tanya Colleen Revill and Kylie Denise Bell. Kylie is listed as an official of the NZPBA on their website & she is also a professional boxing judge. Another NZPBA judge & referee, Andrew Bell, I assume to be a relative of Kylie Bell (perhaps her husband?) & Lance Revill. Kylie and Andrew Bell periodically act as joint referees (on the same panel) in professional boxing matches sanctioned by the NZPBA.
Jake Revill has had 6 undefeated professional fights: His 1st fight was refereed by Andrew Bell, and Kylie Bell was a judge. Andrew Bell officiated as judge in his 2nd fight, & Kylie Bell was a judge in his 6th fight. In at least one of Jake Revill’s fights staged under the auspices of the NZPBA of which Jake’s father, Lance Revill, is the President, the self-same Lance Revill, was also the promoter, & Jake’s sister, Kylie Bell was one of the judges. The mind boggles!
On 2 February 2008, in Cebu City, Philippines, Lance Revill refereed the Z Gorres-Vic Darchinyan IBF Super Flyweight title eliminator. Gorres slipped to the canvas in the first round, ruled a knockdown by Revill, triggering a bottle throwing melee from the pro-Filipino crowd for the first two rounds. Gorres knocked down Darchinyan in the second, but when Darchinyan knocked down Gorres in the fifth, referee Revill ruled it a slip. Darchinyan spent the entire bout pushing and shoving Gorres, with Gorres thrown to the canvas a number of times. A head butt by Darchinyan cut the forehead of Gorres in the sixth round. Referee Revill never penalized Darchinyan during the bout, and the bloody head cut of Gorres continued to bleed profusely for the remainder of the bout without the ringside physician being called in to examine the wound. Darchinyan knocked down Gorres a number of times in the last three rounds, ruled slips by Revill. The bout resulted in a draw. After the bout, even Darchinyan’s promoter, Gary Shaw of New Jersey based Gary Shaw Productions, CALLED FOR THE PERMANENT BANNING OF REFEREE REVILL FROM PROFESSIONAL BOXING AFTER THE FIGHT, as did some individuals at ringside, CALLING REFEREE REVILL’S PERFORMANCE THE WORST THEY HAD EVER WITNESSED.
On 28 August 2010, a bout which was the main event of A FIGHT CARD PROMOTED BY LANCE REVILL in Pakuranga, New Zealand, resulted in YET ANOTHER CONTROVERSY INVOLVING REVILL. THE MAIN EVENT BOUT between heavyweights Hassan Chitsaz and John Ellis Jr., arranged by Las Vegas boxing promoter John Ellis Sr. of South Bay Promotions (the father of John Ellis Jr.), WAS ANNOUNCED IN THE RING BY THE RING ANNOUNCER BEFORE THE BOUT AS A WORLD PROFESSIONAL BOXING FEDERATION VACANT INTERNATIONAL HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE BOUT, AT SIX ROUNDS. According to an official reply sent to the New Zealand Boxing Association dated 6 September 2010, World Professional Boxing Federation President David Young stated that THE SIX (6) ROUNDS BOUT between Hassan Chitsaz and John Ellis Jr. WAS NEVER OFFICIALLY SANCTIONED BY WPBF PRESIDENT Mr. David Young as a WPBF Inter-Continental or International Title, who also stated WPBF RULED MANDATORY ALL TITLE BOUTS AT 12 ROUNDS. According to Mr. Young, “The WPBF hereby specially certify that the six (6) rounds bout between Hassan Chitsaz and John Ellis Jr. for the WPBF title has not been officially approved and sanctioned by the WPBF President. Notice is hereby given.” As the bout was misrepresented as a title bout to both the NZPBA and boxer Chitsaz (who traveled from California to New Zealand only for a 12 round WPBF title bout), the circumstances and outcome of the bout are currently under appeal and review by Mr. Chitsaz with NZPBA official Kylie Revill Bell and the WPBF. In addition, Chitsaz was never paid for the bout and pursued legal action. Thus: the alleged misrepresentation to Mr Chitza AND the NZPBA by promoter Mr Lance Revill (who also doubles as NZPBA President) is under appeal by Mr Chitsaz to Mrs Kylie Bell, the daughter of the self-same Mr Lance Revill …… Consider this: Mr Revill the promoter inter alia made a misrepresentation to himself as President of the NZPBA!
LOL, what a dog’s breakfast!!! What a sad, sad joke!!!
This self-same Mr Lance Revill was the referee of SBW’s two New Zealand domiciled fights. And his daughter, Kylie Bell, as well as Andrew Bell were judges in SBW’s 1st fight.
SBW fights:
Williams has only fought bouts in Queensland (4) & in New Zealand (2) & all of his fights have been promoted by Nasser.
In 3 of SBW’s 6 fights the duration of the fights have been shortened without due notice to several interested parties. This is a pattern of behaviour which I have never seen before.
1st 3 fights refereed by the same referee (2 of those 3 bouts were ended by the referee on TKO).
Next 2 fights refereed by the same referee, Revill (1 of those 2 bouts was ended by the referee on TKO).
The same 2 judges (from 3) feature in his 1st 3 fights.
In his 4th fight 2 of the judges as well as the referee appear to be related.
Another judge officiated in both his 1st and 6th fights.
Make of this what you wish, but I present it to those interested as background information to Friday’s debacle of a fight.
And if I can find all of this info online without ever having visited New Zealand, without having any prior knowledge of NZ boxing, & without harbouring any ill feelings towards NZ, one can safely accept that Nasser & SBW are fully aware of this state of affairs, and are prepared to exploit this situation to their own advantage & to the detriment of others.
BTW:
The last heavyweight title match scheduled for 10 rounds had been the September 22, 1927 bout between Gene Tunney and Jack Dempsey.
The last heavyweight 15-rounder title fight was a rematch on April 11, 1986 between Larry Holmes and Michael Spinks.
Since then ALL international heavyweight title bouts have been an obligatory 12 rounds. Do any of you honestly believe that, as regards Friday’s fight, any of the sanctioning bodies, any of the fighters & their corners, any of the promoters, any of the judges, & the referee did not know as a fact that Friday’s title bout had a compulsory duration of 12 rounds?
Res ipsa loquitur applies and the circumstantial evidence shifts the burden of proving no fraudulent wrongdoing upon Nasser/SBW.
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I’ll deal with the Botha camp’s jnnocence/complicity in a separate later post.
11 Feb 2013, 00:30 am
This SBW is one arrogant twatsword. After he cheated his way to a win, the imbecile reckons if there is going to be a rematch, he wants it in SA, preferably in Cape Town “because I have a lot of fans there, probably more fans there than he has.”
F’ck SBW and f’ck the Stomersaders.
Bring the rematch to Cape Town, make it a 12 round fight and see our boy Botha knock the arrogant farce of a pretend boxer on his face. What a joke for the WBA.
11 Feb 2013, 00:54 am
@Liewe Luiperd-931: Haha, didn’t we hear Botha would knock the arrogant face of SBW last week?
Nothing wrong with a bit of talk, standard stuff in boxing and Botha was full of it before and after he lost. What was it about beating Sonny at halftime during a rugby match? Or knocking him out early?
11 Feb 2013, 01:07 am
Another opinion on the fight, this time from Sir Bob
“Imagine if he [Williams] suddenly decided he wanted to take up tennis, and so he’s matched with elderly women and fat chaps who’ve never held a tennis racket.”
“Then they dig up some tennis player who’s actually dying of cancer, or something, who won Wimbledon, or who was a Wimbledon player in 1966, or something, and give it all this hype. This is not a bad analogy”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/8287014/Jones-SBW-fight-seedy-nasty-and-bogus
11 Feb 2013, 01:27 am
@Liewe Luiperd-931:
8 out of 10 rounds he won…. seems fair that he won the fight.
11 Feb 2013, 01:34 am
@Hurricane-934:
Stop stirring Hurri! It is Monday and the fishy smell of the foght still hanging around Brisbane…
11 Feb 2013, 01:35 am
Even the fishy smell of the fight…maybe.
11 Feb 2013, 02:20 am
and the sad sour saffas still whinging
going to be a long rugby season if this is the standard.
it’s to be expected of course. SA lost
Angostura
you are becoming a second Bakkies. what does Reville have to do with this fight in Aus?
you all act as if SA is a bastion of FairPlay and honesty lmao
got to love SBWs
he’s got the jaapies jumping beautifully
and his rope a dopes strategy is a simple yet effective ploy. look how many he’s caught so far.
11 Feb 2013, 02:41 am
@Slartibartfast-935:
11 Feb 2013, 07:19 am
@the curse-937: the curse, I live in SA, you don’t. I’m acutely aware that SA is NOT a bastion of fair play & honesty, not just in sport, but in many facets of life. It disgusts me. It shames us collectively.
I hold NZ rugby in the highest regard. I think they play a beautiful brand of rugby and that they set the benchmark.The All Blacks are the best. The only other sporting codes that interest me are cricket, soccer and boxing. I have no negative feelings about NZ cricket or soccer, or about New Zealanders generally. And until Friday, New Zealland boxing did not enter my mind. Friday’s events made me examine NZ boxing … and it left me surprised … and quite frankly, shocked.
No amount of name calling can hurt me more than the above realisation about South Africa (set out in paragraph 1 above). So go ahead. Besides, a debating adversary resorting to name calling is like an adversary holding aloft a banner declaring that he has weak arguments.
re your “What does Reville have to do with this fight in Aus?”
Read my post again. Slowly digest what I presented re NZ boxing, the NZPBA, & its President, Revill, & then look for the connection in particular in the final 5-6 paragraphs of my post. The question is not so much what Revill has to do with Friday’s fight in Aus, but rather what Nasser/SBW have to do with the discredited NZPBA & Revill.
11 Feb 2013, 07:27 am
@Angostura-930:
wow, thanks Ango.
how sad these poor people are really.
i pity them.
11 Feb 2013, 07:40 am
This thread is now cloooooooooooosed!!!
11 Feb 2013, 07:50 am
@Angostura-930:
as for dealing with the Botha camp’s jnnocence/complicity, personally, i’m a little skeptical about Strydom and think he may have agreed with Nasser to cut the two rounds on the day, for an extra envelope.
that or he was strongarmed by Nasser, the organiser, with threats of withholding the fee payable to them.
11 Feb 2013, 07:53 am
angostura…
well researched and presented post/argument…
I agreed way up front that the fight left many questions…and your posts do show the nefarious nasser to be a man of questionable integrity…
so no argument from me about that…
I do still question your apparent assumption that sbw is guilty by association…
he has wanted to box and his manager has organized the fights… I don’t believe sbw has sat in meetings plotting reducing rounds etc to give him the advantage…
he may be guilty of unquestioned trust… of being naive… of being stupid… of not connecting the dots…
but none of that makes him guilty of conspiracy to fix fights in his favour … and I don’t believe the burden of proof should be his to prove his innocence… IMO it should be even more necessary for those making allegations against sbw to come up with facts and evidence to prove he was on the grassy knoll…
but respect to you for how you’ve presented your perspective…
11 Feb 2013, 15:43 pm
@Angostura-930:
As regards the Botha camp’s innocence/complicity, it appears that – (I’ll be brief because this matter has gone stale):
1. The Australian Boxing Federation was part of the sham fight for a bogus title, probably by virtue of its general tardiness in oversight & control, & its readiness to pass the buck to the promoters & the WBA, & wash its hands of the whole affair;
2. A great many boxing stakeholders have been scammed in this sting;
3. At the very least Botha’s promoter, Tinus Strydom, by admitting that shortly before the commencement of the bout he agreed to the change of the fight from 12 to 10 rounds, is complicit in the fraud perpetrated;
4. It is not clear whether Botha and his corner man were in on the con – Botha certainly did not fight as if he was “throwing” the fight, but I can’t ignore that possibility;
5. There are (as yet unconfirmed) reports that Botha has tested positive for prohibited substances; if true, then he is a fraud as well, if not, then he was a victim that was sought to be discredited & almost certainly not a part of the sting;
6. It looks increasingly as though this disgraceful scam was perpetrated at promoter level, but it will not surprise if it extended to other levels as well;
7. Nobody involved seems to be covered in glory.
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Enough of this already – happy to move off this topic & thread
Out
12 Feb 2013, 06:48 am
@Angostura-944:
thanks Ango, i certainly do appreciate your efforts in this regard and not simply for the joy of trolling with Pops. i too am as much interested by the whole event and would like to get as clear a picture and as far as possible to the bottom of it.
this helps somewhat.
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