SBW survives late White Buffalo onslaught
8 Feb 2013
Sonny Bill Williams beat Francois Botha on points in Brisbane after the boxing bout was controversially reduced from 12 to 10 rounds during the fight.
The former All Blacks centre was hanging on by a thread in what turned out to be the last round and would almost certainly have lost if another two rounds had been allowed.
The judges awarded the fight to Williams 97-91, 98-94 and 97-91.
‘I love Sonny Bill, but this is bullshit,’ Botha said afterwards. ‘I beat him hands free!’
Earlier, Wallabies flyhalf Quade Cooper won his first professional fight in a first-round knockout of Australian Barry Dunnett.
There will be repeats of both fights on SuperSport at 3pm (SS5) and 7pm (SS1).
945 Comments
8 Feb 2013, 14:00 pm
circus.
8 Feb 2013, 14:01 pm
RT @keocoza: SBW surives late White Buffalo onslaught: Sonny Bill Williams beat Francois Botha on points in Brisbane after… http://t.c …
8 Feb 2013, 14:03 pm
This has seriously damaged Money Bin Williams reputation as a serious force tobe reckoned with in the boxing ring.
I can already see the other contenders lining up to fight him, knowing he is nothing more than a paper tiger,
8 Feb 2013, 14:07 pm
moral of the story is dont go to australia and expect a fair contest.
8 Feb 2013, 14:09 pm
There was a documentary on Sky in the UK on Freddie Flintoff having a professional fight called From Lords to the Ring. It was fascinating and shows that even if SBW barely scrapes through a professional fight, it is still an admirable and impressive feat.
8 Feb 2013, 14:09 pm
Now I remember why I stopped watching boxing all those years ago! Corrupt to the core.
How the h*ll can they change the number of rounds during the fight from 12 to 10?
Botha had obviously targeted the last 3 round to knock SBW out, and would have, no doubt, only for the 10th round to be suddenly declared final round. Even the commentators were a bit confused and had to stop their constant praise singing of SBW for a minute.
I think SBW himself couldnt believe his luck. It was a very hollow victory for him.
8 Feb 2013, 14:09 pm
If it’s a Kiwi involved – and it goes to the wire – the refereeing will be “controversial” – this bollocks has got to stop; but it won’t because everybody is too polite.
8 Feb 2013, 14:10 pm
what a larf.
8 Feb 2013, 14:11 pm
@catchlightuk.com-4:
SBW looks in great form.
Botha looks like a beer drinking hell raiser, but he was knocking SBW silly in the 10th.
SBW was even penalized for hanging onto Botha, because he knew hte next right would put him out.
What a farce.
8 Feb 2013, 14:11 pm
I guess thay have a different way of doing things in Asstralia….
8 Feb 2013, 14:11 pm
http://www.news.com.au/sport/boxing-mma/live-coverage-of-the-sonny-bill-williams-francois-botha-boxing-match/story-fndkzthy-1226573817667
BOOS drowned out Sonny Bill Williams despite the code hopper technically claiming the biggest scalp in his fledgling boxing career in Brisbane.
Former All Black Williams (6-0) somehow emerged a unanimous points winner in his WBA international heavyweight title fight with Francois Botha (48-9).
Botha, 44, showed all the experience that had led him to world title fights with boxing’s who’s who including the likes of Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield.
Yet despite battering Williams throughout their 10-round bout, Botha suffered the ninth loss in his 60 pro fights – much to the disgust of the packed Brisbane Entertainment Centre crowd.
Williams, 27, was almost booed out of the ring after officials awarded the fight to the Sydney Roosters NRL star 97-91, 98-94 and 97-91.
Williams had threatened to give up the sport if he was knocked out by Botha.
8 Feb 2013, 14:14 pm
You guys are kidding yourself if you think Fransie was ‘surprised’ about anything… he got his $100k and a holiday in Noosa and his reputation is hardly damaged (other than him purposely holding back his usual one-two-uppercuts and holding back on his trade-mark over-hand right…
Just another Nasser Hussain spiv circus…
8 Feb 2013, 14:23 pm
Bruce 1: Oh dear, SBW is out on his feet and getting beaten to a pulp now that Botha has decided to start boxing.
Bruce 2: Never mind, we’ll just stop the fight now and give SBW the decision.
8 Feb 2013, 14:27 pm
Was this done on purpose to make the rematch even better with more money?
8 Feb 2013, 14:27 pm
@kaksioek-13:
It was setup and botha was part of it. Everyone shiukd stop getting there knickers in a twist over a boxing match…. we all know its a corrupt sport
8 Feb 2013, 14:28 pm
My guess is that it was done solely to save SBW’s reputation. Good luck with that though.
8 Feb 2013, 14:28 pm
@Hurricane-15: Whatever makes you feel better. I’m just amused.
8 Feb 2013, 14:30 pm
Biggest cheats in world sport:
3. Lance Armstrong
2. Richie McCaw / All Blacks
1. Sonny Bill Williams
8 Feb 2013, 14:34 pm
SBW has done huge damage to his reputation as a professional sportsman. I hope he wasnt aware of this setup, although now he will realize what happened and realize what a mistake he made in entering into a corrupt ‘sport’ like boxing.
He’s a fantastic athlete and should stick to rugby.
Quade Cooper I think belongs in boxing.
8 Feb 2013, 14:36 pm
@willievz-18:
Worst losers in sport.
1) south africa
2)…whocares
Most tears in a blog
1) bakkies/willievz
2) who cares
8 Feb 2013, 14:37 pm
@Hurricane-20:
Wow, that hurts.
8 Feb 2013, 14:37 pm
@willievz-18:
And what about Frans Botha? He was previously tested positive for steroids and today landed more illegal cheap shots than most boxers land during their careers.
Cheat de Luxe
8 Feb 2013, 14:39 pm
@Robzim-22: Hehe, I know.
Just trying to wind up “it”.
8 Feb 2013, 14:40 pm
@kaksioek-11:
Updated final paragraph (posted at http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/8281674/SBW-hangs-on-to-defeat-Botha-on-points):
But it appears Williams’ boxing options are limited despite somehow emerging triumphant from his “victory” over the hard-hitting Botha.
- AAP
8 Feb 2013, 14:40 pm
@willievz-23:
Thought u might have been.
8 Feb 2013, 14:40 pm
@Robzim-22:
Are there boxers not on steriods?
8 Feb 2013, 14:41 pm
@bryce_in_oz-12: So, in this fight Fransie was the “Herschelle Gibbs” of match-fixing?
8 Feb 2013, 14:42 pm
Sat, 09 Feb 2013 12:08a.m.
Sonny Bill Williams wins the belt amidst a huge amount of controversy (AAP)
It was his only his sixth fight as a professional, but Sonny Bill Williams has produced his best by decision. But the nod from the judges will not be what this fight is remembered for.
The 27-year-old former All Black beat the South African boxer Francois ‘White Buffalo” Botha tonight to win the vacant WBA International Heavyweight Title fight at the Brisbane Entertainment Centre.
The fight went 10 rounds and SBW held on while his feet looked like they were out and he was going to drop. There was huge controversy however. With Botha getting on top, and SBW was struggling to hang on… then suddenly the referee called the last round – round 10 – when the fight was scheduled for 12. Some may call it a ‘sham’. After the fight, Botha just called it, “Bulls**t”.
Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-Sonny-Bill-Williams-wins-by-decision-against-Francois-Botha/tabid/415/articleID/286169/Default.aspx#ixzz2KJL8BDR6
8 Feb 2013, 14:42 pm
@Stawm-26:
Except for the one in the Toyota advert!
8 Feb 2013, 14:44 pm
@Stawm-21:
Good
8 Feb 2013, 14:44 pm
@kaksioek-28:
The look of shame on SBW’s face said it all. He is better than this sport.
8 Feb 2013, 14:44 pm
@Hurricane-30:
I’m sorry to hear that.
8 Feb 2013, 14:45 pm
botha lost the match, but won the fight …. btw has sbw ever boxed someone under 40 years of age?
8 Feb 2013, 14:47 pm
@willievz-18: biggest cheats in world sport :
1. Armstrong/Cronje (honestly,can’t make up my mind on this one)
2.???
8 Feb 2013, 14:48 pm
Wake up you lot, Botha was destroyed for 8 out of 10 rounds, he came back for sure in the last two rounds, but if he didn’t knock SBW out he lost by a county mile, and thats what happened.
8 Feb 2013, 14:48 pm
This is why I prefer UFC.
You can’t pretend to be losing when there id blood gushing out of your head from some punishing elbow strikes…it’s as real as it gets.
8 Feb 2013, 14:49 pm
@J.B. Cowper-7:
Coop,
This was an Australian based / sanctioned fight.
The Purse was in Australian $.
The Officials were Australian.
The Tongan/Kiwi/Australian/Nipponese Dude won.
Who is surprised here?
8 Feb 2013, 14:50 pm
UFC is more rigged than a Pakistan cricket match.
8 Feb 2013, 14:52 pm
Gary Gurr
Global ID 496922
*** male
birthdate 1978-01-06
division heavyweight
alias The ******
country New Zealand
residence Auckland, New Zealand
won 1 (KO 0) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 2
rounds boxed 5 KO% 0
Ryan Hogan
Global ID 539452
*** male
birthdate 1987-03-08
division heavyweight
country New Zealand
residence Auckland, New Zealand
birth place New Zealand
won 0 (KO 0) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 1
rounds boxed 1 KO% 0
Scott Lewis
Global ID 487013
*** male
birthdate 1974-07-18
division heavyweight
height 6? 0½? / 184cm
country Australia
residence Campbelltown, New South Wales, Australia
birth place Australia
won 4 (KO 1) + lost 5 (KO 4) + drawn 0 = 9
rounds boxed 34 KO% 11.11
Alipate Liava’a
Global ID 456324
*** male
birthdate 1968-03-18 / age 44
manager/agent register
division heavyweight
rating 517 / 1121
1 / 1
alias Albert Liava’a
country Tonga
residence Tonga
birth place Tonga
birth name Alipate Liava’a
won 4 (KO 2) + lost 11 (KO 4) + drawn 0 = 15
rounds boxed 78 KO% 13.33
Clarence Tillman
Global ID 458180
*** male
birthdate 1977-11-20 / age 35
suspensions report
manager/agent register
division heavyweight
rating 375 / 1121
6 / 28
height 6? 5? / 196cm
US ID 076435
country New Zealand
residence Auckland, New Zealand
birth place New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
won 11 (KO 6) + lost 10 (KO 4) + drawn 2 = 23
rounds boxed 86 KO% 26.09
Frans Botha
Global ID 3307
*** male
birthdate 1968-09-28 / age 44
suspensions report
manager/agent register
division heavyweight
rating 93 / 1121
1 / 7
stance orthodox
height 6? 2? / 188cm
reach 74? / 188cm
US ID 025856
alias The White Buffalo
country South Africa
residence Newport Beach, California, USA
birth place Witbank, Mpumalanga, South Africa
birth name Francois Johannes Botha
won 48 (KO 29) + lost 9 (KO 7) + drawn 3 = 61
rounds boxed 360 KO% 47.54
8 Feb 2013, 14:52 pm
Saffer guy, Rich for a Saffa to call a cricket match rigged???
8 Feb 2013, 14:53 pm
Anyway……………………………………………This Thread may just save Keo’s arrse.
8 Feb 2013, 14:53 pm
@cane-37:
The ozzies just do not like south africans…obvious
8 Feb 2013, 14:53 pm
Only thing with UFC is that you need to have heart…I don’t think Money Bin has enough heart.
8 Feb 2013, 14:55 pm
@lawsy25-40:
Lol
8 Feb 2013, 14:55 pm
@lawsy25-35:
Oh OK, we should wake up. I think everyone else involved in the fight should also wake up, because they thought it was a 12 round fight.
Its like suddenly stopping a rugby game at half time.
8 Feb 2013, 14:56 pm
@Hurricane-42:
The feeling is very much mutual. It has nothing to do with sport..it’s that whining nazally drone when their mouths open.
I love it when the women speak though…kinda turns me on.
8 Feb 2013, 14:57 pm
Justice 4 Botha!!!
the new, upgraded version of armbands will be available in stores tomorrow morning
8 Feb 2013, 14:58 pm
At least Keo kept his fight report short and sweet.
8 Feb 2013, 15:00 pm
@Predawn-46:
Haha
8 Feb 2013, 15:03 pm
Botha is a tub of lard…amazes me that he has never bothered to lose that tyre.
8 Feb 2013, 15:05 pm
What happened to that great work of literary genius that Keo bestowed on us on Wednesday? It must have been deleted accidentally. Never mind, I’ve found a cached copy.
You’re welcome, boys and girls.
Rocking your rugby world.
6 Feb 2013
Players should be judged on performance and not the promise of performance. Selectors, coaches, media and supporters should lose their obsession with age and the restriction of four year cycles. If you read this to the end you could be the making of rugby’s revolution. To the brandy and coke okes don’t go beyond this point.
The introduction of the Rugby World Cup was to give one country official bragging rights to officially being called the best in the world. It grew quickly into a commerciaL beast whose appetite to be fed will only increase. It is no longer about bragging rights but about commerce and the supposed investment of the game in the future.
But those who appoint themselves as the architects of vision are merely enforcing the limitation of their vision on whoever is prepared to emulate what is deemed to be the best, when the innovators and inspirers are the ones who define success on creating and giving something unique, which is then interpreted by the chasing pack as the standard that invariably has to be matched. Unfortunately everyone wants to be the best but society’s stone-cast, yet non sensical, set of rules cater only for contradiction because while it caters for the mind to be aspirational it provides a greater immediate seduction and safety net for the mind to favour the short term comfort of conservatism.
Society’s selfish cavaliers are too often the ones reinforcing the reward and restriction that gives the majority the comfort that conservative is good because there is no risk but with cavalier could come failure.
With cavalier however comes something new every time and the possibility to success. Conservatism’s failure is that it brings no new reward.
The rugby media and supporters are a primary exhibit of what is aspiration and what is acceptable and the ideal of being the best is always replaced with a sense of satisfaction that not coming last is the equal of coming first. The result is the core of teams in any competition and the core of people in life are conditioned that having the fantasy of wanting to be the best and the reality of never been called the worst is the most sought after emotion.
It is why core of coaches will talk about breaking new ground but always revert to what they know because it’s not deemed failure.
Oh to find coaches who see the adventure in selection and strength of individual skills that combined make for the extraordinary.
Those investors in teams do so out of vanity so their intention is not to want the best rugby team. Supporters and the rugby media are the most powerful investors in the coach who can talk of unchartered ground and know the adventure will be a shared one with those who determine his job security, which is the supporter and the reporter. Why do the two of us actually have the responsibility and the power of influence? Because for there to be a rugby team there has to be an owner, but an owner only wants a club if he has an audience who actually pay his bills and spend the money and his players need an audience to perform.
The reporter in rugby is also the game’s story teller and without the story being told, be it in print, electronic or by broadcast, the performance is reduced to a bunch of blokes enjoying a Sunday social run around. Owners and investors need an evolving audience so they need to have a story being told. More paying support and more money allows for better player purchases and dividends. The rewards are great and the risk is the story teller’s words wreck a business and don’t seduce enough to inspire this new audience to pay more than the existing ones.
Coaches are restricted – and we are the worst culprits. You and me.
Our opinions, pre game, demand adventure, investment of skill and something out of the ordinary, but we make the demand of wanting to see a creation without it being allowed to stumble in pursuit of seeing its capabilities.
The World Cup is all about keeping the professional game one controlled by elected officials, who get the benefits of a professional game by way of sponsorship, broadcast deals and a paying support base. It’s commercial value is restricted because those who control it use it as the controlling influence of the game.
The World Cup should be a tournament within rugby’s professional identity. Currently everything else is compromised because to succeed at the World Cup once every four years allows for any amount of failure. The Word Cup is a great tournament but it should be seen as tournament and not as the pinnacle of a four year cycle. All enjoyment and adventure and logic are compromised with the possibility (not probability) of our team winning the World Cup.
What then, a month later this team is playing again and the chance is there to get beaten? And that’s okay?
The game should be played in the current and the obvious is wanting to do better today than was the case yesterday. Think of the madness of the statement if I told you that living was about four years of toil and restriction and just maybe you will get one day in the sun and then your reward is you can at least boast to your friends about it.
The right brag your team is the best in the world once every four years apparently has such gravitas that everything is compromised and excused within those four years.
The World Cup – and its four year cycle – has restricted a game yet those who control the game through elections and not necessarily intelligence – are convinced its been a revolution. Every value of selection has been compromised. The best aren’t always played for fear of injury. Performances lacking in pedigree are dismissed as not playing the World Cup-winning hand and no player is assessed on what he brings to the team in the week that team is selected.
Players, not yet good enough, are picked now because in three years time they may have to need World Cup final experience. Players, more experienced, are questioned because age is again the restriction and the fear of not knowing whether he will be too old is deemed a worse one than the fear of not knowing if a player, picked on what could be, is actually not good enough.
Professional rugby tournaments have forced the evolvement of a squad system, but the supporter is as amateur in his demand for one and only one starting XV as the amateur administrator is in wanting the players to be thankful someone is willing to actually to administer their game and give them the platform to play.
The media is the worst culprit because the reports discuss a player being dropped when it is the workings of a squad system. The media influences the supporter who is in the professional game the most important voice because it’s the voice of the paying customer.
Think about the power of the supporter but a confused buyer is a sucker of a buyer and rugby’s elected official only sell you the game they want to control and not the one you want to necessarily watch. They think the player is a liability because the supply is greater than the demand and they think the game is about the way they govern when it’s future is exclusive to those who support with their eyes and their cash.
The numbers have again allowed to influence restriction because to start has a bragging right that it is somehow means a player is better than the guy who is the greatest exponent of closing out a win in the role of a substitute. The different skills of these two types of players have never been allowed to develop because those who govern and the majority who support resent the player earning money from a game in which the limitations of the game being strictly amateur have grown to legends of romance and beauty.
No amateur player was exposed to a playing schedule the equal of a professional player. That is why one to 15 worked then but it doesn’t matter now who starts and who finishes. All that is significant about the number is that 15 stays on for the duration of the match.
Age, another number, is the greatest curse because it means performance is secondary.
Endorsing the romance of the amateur days only encourages the restriction in potential pleasure of a professional game.
The coach needs to use a squad system to last the season but the supporter wants only the 15 best every weekend and everyone has ultimate escape of planning for a World Cup.
The performance of the player is not the priority any more. It’s how that performance fits the four year cycle. The performance is no longer the celebration. How wrong.
Player ‘A’ wins your team the Test match and he gets no sense of your joy because you have already accepted he won’t be around for the World Cup and instead of the joy of the day your focus is the possible pain of the big World Cup day.
How absurd is that? What does that say about us that invariably our pleasure is from a possible bragging right once every four years and we condition ourselves to believe that living is about the possibility of feeling something extraordinary in four years time and that living to experience something extraordinary has the risk of death.
Imagine the possibilities of sport if the worth of a team was determined by the pleasure gained through performance and not by relief at not losing.
For rugby, like any sport, to ever be true to the supporter and give pleasure the supporter would have to change his mindset.
That won’t happen because it’s about bragging rights and being defined by what you can tell others or what they will have to say about your team. Only to a few is it about the pleasure they derive from their emotional investment in a team whose pedigree as much about their belief in the manner of performance and not just the winning result in a performance.
Super Rugby can’t rock your world if electric guitars and drums are a risk to your hearing. And when there’s no real sound to what you think looks like a great visual performance then no pie and beer should be enough of a lure to keep you coming back. If it is then eating pies is your passion not watching rugby.
Super Rugby should be about the uncertainty of your heartbeat and not about the certainty of your heartburn.
Here’s to your team rocking your world this season in the pleasure you get from their effort and not in the way it makes you feel only if they win. Now that’s a bragging right because you got reward for your emotional investment.
We want our team to win but if we are watching it for pleasure then the winning is in that emotion. Rugby, like rock and roll, should never be compromised by restriction, especially not by an audience whose passion is for the pleasure felt in watching a performance.
If you are the type of Super Rugby supporter so insecure in identity that your team has to win to give you a reason to smile and give your voice a growl every Monday morning at the office then let’s agree that we will always disagree because my pleasure is your pain and your pleasure, even in observation, is more torture than pain.
To the minority who want the rock and roll, we’ve got every Saturday to live this season. To the oke so desperate to tell you how kak your team is he’s got one Saturday to live through what will be the pain of 80 minutes so he can feel relief that he will be able to tell you his team is the winner.
8 Feb 2013, 15:05 pm
47 The Curse, haha, that’s brilliant. I forgot they did that, pathetic!
8 Feb 2013, 15:10 pm
@the curse-47:
And free counselling would be available to all kiwis, courtesy of the governemnt, had SBW lost. (The structures are still in place)
Sorted.
8 Feb 2013, 15:11 pm
@Stawm-53: really? strange that, they were sent to SA after the one day series loss, didnt know they had returned yet..
still, Botha could use the travel disadvantage angle surely?
8 Feb 2013, 15:12 pm
@Stawm-53: Domestic abuse would have been rife, too…
8 Feb 2013, 15:16 pm
@the curse-54:
” really? strange that, they were sent to SA after the one day series loss, didnt know they had returned yet..”
Thats a bit unclear. Please tidy up a bit.
“still, Botha could use the travel disadvantage angle surely?”
Nah, think he will just use the expression of disbelief on SBW’s face to explain it all.
8 Feb 2013, 15:16 pm
@Angostura-27:
Or Mark Waugh and Shane Warne
8 Feb 2013, 15:17 pm
@the curse-47: I’ll have a size 12 please…no…wait…make that a 10!
8 Feb 2013, 15:18 pm
@Stawm-56: whats to explain, the great white buffalo lost..
to a kiwi
thought Africa wasnt for sissies?
8 Feb 2013, 15:18 pm
@Stawm-56: Mate, i’m no SBW fan, but Botha looked like one of you fat lazy props tonight, until the last round where he finally threw a punch. SBW won hands down!
8 Feb 2013, 15:19 pm
@Stawm-56: Or, Botha could – and I’m reaching here, I admit – simply point out that there were two rounds left in the fight. But that would be terribly unsporting of him.
8 Feb 2013, 15:20 pm
@the curse-59:
True. But it had to be rigged.
Still, if it makes you happy then enjoy it.
8 Feb 2013, 15:20 pm
Botha should sue his chemist, obviously didnt get the right mix of steroids for this fight..
8 Feb 2013, 15:22 pm
@Stawm-62: I couldnt care less to be honest, boxing has no credibility whatsoever, this “fight” just further enhances that notion..
8 Feb 2013, 15:23 pm
Kiwis are used to things finishing prematurely – they don’t see the problem
8 Feb 2013, 15:24 pm
what happened to the unreadable article?
8 Feb 2013, 15:24 pm
@lawsy25-60:
I cant argue with that. He looked like he didnt even bother training for this fight.
Keeping that in mind though, SBW couldnt do much damage to him, and when Botha started to lift his game in the 10th like his trainers said he should, lo and behold, suddenly its a 10 round fight, not 12.
@kaksioek-61:
Lets not ruin the fantasy of a great SBW victory with facts though.
8 Feb 2013, 15:25 pm
More cheating from the Kiwis.
Nothing new.
8 Feb 2013, 15:25 pm
i want to get a picture printed of Sonny in the last few seconds of round 10, i havn’t larfed so much.
only two more rounds, Sonny
8 Feb 2013, 15:25 pm
@the curse-64:
Now we’re on the same page.
8 Feb 2013, 15:26 pm
What’s with this curse chick?
8 Feb 2013, 15:27 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-69:
He was totally finished. Felt sorry for him. One more PK from Botha and it was lights out.
8 Feb 2013, 15:27 pm
@Predawn-71:
its a monthly thing.
8 Feb 2013, 15:28 pm
@the curse-64: @Stawm-70: Agreed. But even though outcomes are dodgy……Some of the ‘hits’ are still pretty cool to watch
8 Feb 2013, 15:28 pm
Bakkies ek kyk die geveg nou en sal so n bietjie mooi kyk na die tiende rondte
8 Feb 2013, 15:28 pm
@mamma_lou-66: I guess Keo realized that had also ended prematurely and is working on a second volume. He will publish the unabridged version as soon as he can scrape together enough ZAR for another data center.
8 Feb 2013, 15:29 pm
@lawsy25-35: not sure if it’s worth responding to someone of your limited intellectual capabilities, but try this analogy. Your rugby team is staging a comeback in the 70th minute when suddenly the ref stops the game. I bet you’ll be jumping with joy.
8 Feb 2013, 15:30 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-74:
In all honesty, I really wanted to see how good SBW is.
He is a fantastic athlete and he took a few solid PKs.
SBW is the only reason I watched this fight, I think the first heavy weight fight I have watched since Gerrie thanked his wife Wendy and his dog.
8 Feb 2013, 15:31 pm
Cape Crusaders gotta be careful here…can’t be dissing their rugby hero.
8 Feb 2013, 15:31 pm
die keewees moet net vir my verduidelik hoe n twaalf rondte geveg ewe skielik tien rondtes word en of hulle dink dit is regverdig.
eenvoudig.
8 Feb 2013, 15:32 pm
@Stawm-72:
my donner maar dit was no blerrie snaaks.
i havn’t larfed that loud in a while. the way he hung onto Botha and the look on his face, priceless
six more minutes Sonny… six more minutes…
8 Feb 2013, 15:32 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-69: I wanna get a picture of him holding the World Cup and super 15 cup!
8 Feb 2013, 15:32 pm
I heard that the 15h00 re broadcast will go the full 12 rounds
8 Feb 2013, 15:32 pm
@Fern-75:
Fern, dis p0&$ snaaks.
8 Feb 2013, 15:33 pm
@Fern-80:
Dis die aussies wat moet verduidelik!
8 Feb 2013, 15:33 pm
Die ringlady’s was heel duidelik aussie meisies gewees
8 Feb 2013, 15:33 pm
@Stawm-78: You mean wife Rina and Wendy the cocker spaniel?
8 Feb 2013, 15:34 pm
@@whistle@blower@-83:
Hell yeah!
That sums up boxing to a T!
8 Feb 2013, 15:34 pm
@Fern-86: Did you notice that they carried the SA flag upsidedown?
8 Feb 2013, 15:35 pm
@Stawm-85:
die keewees moet verduidelik of hulle so n uitslaag as regverdig sien.
8 Feb 2013, 15:35 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-87:
I stand corrected!
8 Feb 2013, 15:35 pm
@Fern-80: back from the dead lazarus?
I dont see any kiwi saying the missing two rounds was fair, can you point me to the post?
we all also thought it wasnt right, but the way some of you go on youd think every kiwi spectator was complicit in the missing two rounds..
you’ll have to ask the officials in charge why it happened, only they know..
8 Feb 2013, 15:36 pm
@lawsy25-82:
en jou punt is..?..
8 Feb 2013, 15:36 pm
@H-77: Thank you for giving me your time of day, I’m truly blessed! Would it matter if your team is already down 30-0 with 10 minutes to go?? knobhead!
8 Feb 2013, 15:36 pm
This was supposed to be a WBA Heavyweight World title fight. Surely it had to be a minimum of 12 rounds to qualify?
8 Feb 2013, 15:36 pm
Why did they do that jaw move before the boxing started. Something to do with the steroids kicking in?
8 Feb 2013, 15:36 pm
@Fern-90:
I refer you to Womans Monthly Curses’ comments above. (In jest I know)
SBW ‘s face said it all at the end. He wasnt happy.
8 Feb 2013, 15:37 pm
Rigged…. Bookies in on it.
When will SBW have a fight that doesn’t create controversy?
8 Feb 2013, 15:37 pm
Maybe too much speed?
8 Feb 2013, 15:37 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-93:
Ek het al n rondte golf by Cullinan. saam met Fransie se pa gespeel.
Baie nice sout van die aarde omie.
8 Feb 2013, 15:38 pm
@David-95:
The rules are being re-written as we speak.
Not a problem.
8 Feb 2013, 15:38 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-89:
It’s easy to make that mistake…the colours would blind and confuse even the most rabid ANC supporter.
8 Feb 2013, 15:38 pm
@David-95:
Goeie punt,Botha moet appeleer en die uitslag moet gekanseleer word.
8 Feb 2013, 15:40 pm
Dit was alles n vloek… In die 9de rondte het hulle gesien buffalo is besig oom die voorhand te kry want die beoordelaars was self omgeslaan met die skielike 10rondte besluit… X jammer maar dit is nie hoe jy sport bemark nie. Dan noem jy dit liewer wedstryd snoeiery… Dankie… Go to sport24.com and read what the audience have to say!
8 Feb 2013, 15:45 pm
rondte 10
ding ding!
hy het einde rondte 10 al shaky begin lyk.
8 Feb 2013, 15:45 pm
SBW is too decent for boxing. Classic example of a gym bunny and groomed streamlined technical boxer against a brute power dog eats dog boxer.
8 Feb 2013, 15:50 pm
sunni wou net vas dans in die tiende rondte.
pateties.
as hy nie n rematch aanvaar nie sal die laaste mense wat n bietjie respek vir die ou gehad het dit verloor.
8 Feb 2013, 15:50 pm
Didn’t one of SBW’s other fights get reduced by a couple of rounds just before “kick off”? He was a bit upset back then as fitness is his main advantage. For a second I thought it might cause him a problem this time too but clearly Botha had other thoughts.
Anyway, I hope almost getting his lights knocked out scares SBW enough that he starts concentrating on a real sport from now on
8 Feb 2013, 15:51 pm
Sonny Bill Williams has announced that he plans to restore his sullied reputation by challenging two heavyweights to fight him simultaneously. Anthony Mundine has pointed out, however, that he reserves the right to reduce the number of Williams’ opponents by two at any point during the fight.
8 Feb 2013, 15:56 pm
The game of rugby league was invented when Sonny Bill Williams complained that there were too many players on the field and the maximum number of players per team was suddenly, and without warning, reduced from 15 to 13.
8 Feb 2013, 15:57 pm
Cheating seems to be of no moral consequence to the people of New Zealand. Whether its rigging the referee system at rugby level (Examples include: Paddy O’Brien; “teach the Japies a lesson”; Bryce Lawrence etc) or whether its rigging boxing matches, Kiwis seem to be quite content to ignore the codes of honour, respect and honesty in sport.
Most other sporting nations (and indeed, individuals) recognise that victory only tastes sweet if it real. It’s a very personal feeling. You know whether or not you have truly achieved something and if not, then you will not have that feeling of self-respect and inner Euphoria…. It is this inner feeling which should be the driving force behind our sporting endeavors for without this, we might as well just buy trophies.
I played an online rugby game last month (A game of 3 halves) and recorded my best score. When I clicked on the page to view where I ranked, I saw that someone had a score of 99.9 billion – which is impossible as the maximum score you can get is in the thousands… Luckily, being a qualified IT developer, I was able to recognise that the player had hacked the coding and manually recorded his own score… The player was from New Zealand.
Sonny Bill Williams has been consistent with his country’s national values, by shaming a sport, shaming himself and shaming his country’s (already low) reputation.
I live in England, and I can confirm that the general consensus here amongst the English, Irish, Welsh and Scottish is that the Kiwis cheat. They cite Richie McCaw as the biggest cheat in the history of rugby and are forever poking fun at London-based kiwis for being cheaters during pub-setting and the like… The Irish are especially convinced and often cite the intentional (and unpunished) tip-tackle on Brian O’Driscoll during the Lions tour of 2005.
When a nation has no value for their own reputation or self-respect, you have to question whether they deserve anyone else’s respect… My verdict on this question is a firm and unapologetic, “No”.
8 Feb 2013, 15:59 pm
@kaksioek-110:
8 Feb 2013, 16:02 pm
how many majors have keewees won in golf?
golf is a sport with ethics and cheating is nearly impossible.
Same goes for swimming
Makes you think…
8 Feb 2013, 16:03 pm
@the authority-111: “I played a game of online rugby” Yep, sums you up mate! get a life and get outside!
8 Feb 2013, 16:05 pm
@lawsy25-114: So according to you, anyone who dares to play an online game need to get a life?
I think I’ll go ahead and ignore your opinion.
8 Feb 2013, 16:05 pm
@the authority-111: Most of the guys on here are just having a laugh but you take you NZ-hate way too seriously. Lighten up, it was a circus of a fight between a has-been and a never-will-be. Treat it like WWF, enjoy the controversy and don’t stress
8 Feb 2013, 16:06 pm
the authority
hahahaha
crying because a known drug cheat lost?
hahahahaha
8 Feb 2013, 16:08 pm
@gonzo-116: Bryce Lawrence must have been reffing!
There, you happy?
8 Feb 2013, 16:10 pm
@the authority-111:
a qualified IT developer, is that the title on your business card?
8 Feb 2013, 16:10 pm
@the authority-115: Yes! Especially those who use video games as part of an argument.
8 Feb 2013, 16:11 pm
@the curse-117:
You have a point. Steroid abuse just doesnt happen in boxing.
8 Feb 2013, 16:12 pm
@NZINCHINA-119: Sounds like a title someone might use if they were a school kid trying to pretend to be an adult
8 Feb 2013, 16:12 pm
@David-95: same thought occurred to me, David.
I’ve never known a world title bout to be only 10 rounds. I don’t think the WBA can recognise this as a title bout. In fact, the fight should be expunged from the records as an official contest – call it a pre-season warm-up friendly, a practice run, a hit out
8 Feb 2013, 16:13 pm
@Stawm-121: I disagree..
A second urinalysis test of the International Boxing Federation heavyweight champion Francois Botha has come back positive for steroids, the federation announced today.
A hearing will be held within two weeks by the I.B.F. Championships Committee to decide whether the South African will be stripped of the title he won by decision over the German Axel Schulz on Dec. 9 in Stuttgart, Germany.
Results from an initial test taken after the fight and done in Cologne, Germany, had come back positive for the steroid nondrolon. The second test was performed Thursday at the U.C.L.A. Olympic laboratory in Los Angeles.
8 Feb 2013, 16:13 pm
@gonzo-122:
sounds like it, a qualified IT developer who just got his highest score in an online game oh dear
8 Feb 2013, 16:15 pm
@the authority-111:
When a nation has no value for their own reputation or self-respect, you have to question whether they deserve anyone else’s respect… My verdict on this question is a firm and unapologetic, “No”.
like the lack of respect a country has when it has an institution called apartheid for so many years?
8 Feb 2013, 16:15 pm
@gonzo-122:
Well then theres a very big industry out there of kids trying to pretend to be adults.
In fact they write the software for your banks, cell phones etc.
Little bast@rds!
8 Feb 2013, 16:16 pm
@Fern-100:
dis goed om to ****.
ek sal skat Botha is selfs n lekker chill ou buite die ring.
Sonny sou sy moer gesien het met daai laaste twee ronde by.
—–
ek’s uit vir n rukkie
cheers
8 Feb 2013, 16:17 pm
@the curse-124:
Maybe he thought it was a weight loss supplement ala Shaney.
G*d knows he needs it.
8 Feb 2013, 16:18 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-128:
I dont think I want to get on Bothas nerves in a hurry. You could break a brick on his head and he wont flinch.
8 Feb 2013, 16:19 pm
@Stawm-129: that was a farce too, a “diuretic”
he should have just met Hurley’s plastic surgeon a lot sooner
8 Feb 2013, 16:20 pm
@the curse-126:
http://216.246.37.52:1935/702/702.stream/playlist.m3u8
Gaan na die skakel toe dan kan jy na Talk Radio 702 luister.
Dit is n gesels radie stasie met geen musiek en baie van die relevante en aktuele sake wat Suid Afrika aanraak word baie robuus gedebateer.
Ek is seker jy sal dit geniet want dit sal jou n beter idee gee van wat op die grond aangaan.
Die radiostasie het n baie neutrale standpunt en die nuus en opinies is baie gebalanseerd.
8 Feb 2013, 16:21 pm
@the curse-131:
Thats Warneys best catch of his life!
Liz and Mike Myers on the balcony, staring at the evening sky – Famous Quote:
Mike: “I can see Uranus from here”
8 Feb 2013, 16:23 pm
@Stawm-127: No wonder nothing works properly on that damn interwebs! Kids running the show
8 Feb 2013, 16:23 pm
@the curse-126:
Seriously bud, you should stay away from that topic. You might think you know a lot about it, but you dont.
Stick to normal every day bait.
8 Feb 2013, 16:31 pm
@Stawm-135: its very easy to find information on it, you know, like bakkies continual trawling of NZ news websites, its just that I dont use it incessantly..
but it serves as a gentle reminder on occassions that SA isnt a utopian society, especially when some Saffas like to continually point to NZs problems..
and besides, accuracy isnt a prerequisite for this site, you should know this..
8 Feb 2013, 16:35 pm
@the curse-136:
I understand both sides are guilty.
From my side, reading about something on the web and actually living through it are worlds apart.
Its a pity that that level of chat is allowed here, again, from both sides.
Lets rather enjoy the funnier side of life, like todays boxing contest.
8 Feb 2013, 16:37 pm
@Stawm-137: there was a boxing contest today?
8 Feb 2013, 16:41 pm
@the curse-138:
You didnt see it?
They’re going to replay it on the Comedy Channel tonight.
8 Feb 2013, 16:43 pm
The IRB has announced that the 2007 Rugby World Cup has been retroactively awarded to New Zealand after it came to light that the All Blacks’ quarterfinal match against France should never have gone beyond the 60 minute mark.
A panel of inquiry reached the decision after reviewing video footage that clearly shows several of the All Black players were too tired to have stood a reasonable chance of preventing 67th-minute substitute Frederic Michalak from making the break that led to Yannick Jauzion’s try.
Graham Henry, All Blacks coach at the time, graciously accepted the World Cup at a hastily arranged ceremony in Buenos Aires, where he has been coaching Rugby Championship newcomers Argentina on the finer points of clock watching and IRB lobbying.
“Better late than never,” Henry said. “I think the IRB has set an important precedent here.
“Everybody knew that we were favourites to win the tournament and would have done so had that game ended when we were ahead 18-13,” he continued. “That much is indisputable.
“Dan Carter wasn’t even on the field when Jauzion scored.”
8 Feb 2013, 16:46 pm
RIP Jan Ellis
8 Feb 2013, 16:47 pm
Springbok Rugby great Jan Ellis has sadly passed away.
The one-time joint record holder for the number of Springbok caps succumbed to cancer at a hospice in Pretoria after suffering from the disease for some time.
Ellis celebrated his 71ts Birthday in January.
He played in 38 of the 39 Tests that the Springboks played between his debut in 1965 and his final test in 1976.
8 Feb 2013, 16:48 pm
Was the referee by any chance Bryce Lawrence in disguise?
8 Feb 2013, 16:48 pm
@nortierd-142: RIP.
One of the greatest Bok flankers of all time, if not the greatest.
8 Feb 2013, 16:50 pm
@Stawm-135:
Help nie jy redeneer met hom nie,sy vooropgestelde idees maak dit dwaas.
Hy lees oor apartheid maar ongelukkig sien hy nie in praktyk die vergewe,vergifnis en versoening wat al plaas gevind het nie.
Hy sien nie hoe kinders van verskillend ras en agtergronde vriende word of hoe algemeen verhoudings or die kleur grens word nie.
Ek hoop hy volg daai skakel wat ek aanbeveel het.
8 Feb 2013, 16:51 pm
RIP Jan Ellis.
Orals in die wereld gerespekteer.
Dankie vir die memories.
8 Feb 2013, 16:53 pm
@daydreamer-143: haha love how you guys still blame Bryce Lawrence, he is a great ref, learn to pass the ball backwards and score tries and you might win a game. Only a awful attacking team cannot in a game with 70% possession. Anyway, the ABs would have destroyed the Bokke next weekend in the semi final, ho many times has SA beat NZ in the last 25 years in NZ???
8 Feb 2013, 16:56 pm
@lawsy25-147:
A more important question to ask is, who would the Ab’s rather have faced in the semi-final?
Boks have been good in the big games.
8 Feb 2013, 16:57 pm
@lawsy25-147:
there were two or three occassions where they simple had to catch it and run in unopposed..
but the Lawrence angle makes them feel better about their own teams ineptitude..
as Henry has stated, he would have preferred to play SA because we had their number, and still do..
8 Feb 2013, 16:59 pm
@Stawm-148: Boks, any day of the week! You guys just cannot beat NZ.
8 Feb 2013, 17:02 pm
@lawsy25-150: they dont lose to NZ
we cheat, the refs are in our back pockets, the travel disadvantage (thankfully now it rests forever more) etc etc etc..
but it is this denial that means the status quo will remain..
8 Feb 2013, 17:02 pm
@Fern-145:
Ek **** jou, maar dis nutteloos om mekaar voortdurend te beledig.
8 Feb 2013, 17:02 pm
@the curse-149:
Het jy al daai skakel gevolg en n bietjie gaan luister?
John Robbie het n oggend show in die week,ek vind hom irriterend.
Rudi Thlapi is vlymskerp en ek beveel haar ten hoogste aan.
8 Feb 2013, 17:03 pm
@Stawm-152:
LOL
So h o o r iis a forbidden word?
Who wrote this swear checker?
8 Feb 2013, 17:04 pm
@Stawm-152:
Ek stem saam,ek was al baie skuldig.
Deesdae ignoreer ek maar net meeste posters van keewee af.
8 Feb 2013, 17:05 pm
@lawsy25-150:
In world cups we do.
8 Feb 2013, 17:09 pm
Im sure its already been said, but this was a farking farce!
Ive never seen or heard of a boxing ref changing the amount of rounds before.
SBW was wobbling on his legs in 10th. He hugged Botha the whole fight.
The lengths the Kiwis will go to cheat and prevent a loss is unbelievable.
I dont like conspiracy theories, but seriously, isnt it strange that it often involves NZ? Often against SA?
8 Feb 2013, 17:11 pm
@Stawm-156: I thought it was 1 all?? You beat us in 1995 somehow and we smashed you in the QF in 2003?
8 Feb 2013, 17:11 pm
Controversy aside, i reckon it was a good effort on SBW’s part to go 10 rounds with Botha. 5 years ago it would have been a different story and like it or not, this will be SBW’s 2nd last fight as a pro boxer. He will now have to go up a level and he will be beaten comprehensively. Will be a good thing for rugby as well – this is a side show, he is a world class rugby player in both codes but not a title prospect in boxing that’s for sure.
8 Feb 2013, 17:12 pm
WILLIAMS WINS BY DECISION. Video up. Williams is boo’d. It should have gone 12 rounds and Botha would have knocked him out. More will come out of this. Some, may call the end of that fight a ‘sham’. Others might just say, that’s boxing. Botha, well he just called it, “Bulls**t”.
ROUND 10 (Eh? What happened to R11+R12 ref?): Can Williams make it? Ref calling it the last round but it’s a 12 round fight. Williams fighting back and Botha hits hi harder. It is the final round!!!! Controversy!!!! Botha needs a knock out. SBW needs to hold on. SBW walks into a huge right hand… he’s gone. His legs are gone. How’s he standing??? He is a freak. He’s been hammered. He’s bent over in two, nearly. Docked a point for too much holding on. He’s desperate. Botha is head hunting. Williams out… hang on Sonny hang on… He hangs on (he says with no hint of hiding the bias)!!! Victorious, probably but under siege, said the commentators. Decision, hmmmmm I’m not so sure it went the right way. In fact, it didn’t. Sonny was great in the fact he managed to stay on his feet… but the winner? Sonny won a few early rounds on points but Botha was pretty strong throughout, especially late. Two rounds lost – a disgrace to the sport. What happened to the 12 round fight? Botha would have won that over 12. In that, there is no doubt.
ROUND 9: Both connect with a jab at the same time. Williams has been great on the inside. He’s boxing so much better than his last five – he’s evolved massively. Good right from Botha. And again. Ref takes a shot (oops) Williams with a straight right hand. And again. Williams getting hit again. And again. Blood coming from SBW’s nose. Botha hits him after the break. One point deduction. SBW is badly hurt. He’s hanging on… he’s going to go…. no. He makes it to the bell.
ROUND 8: Botha rocks the head back of Williams. Sonny felt that one. Botha comes over the top with one but SBW ducks it well. Every time Botha searches for the big one Sonny backs away or slides sideways beautifully. Four to go.
Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-HIGHLIGHTS-Sonny-Bill-Williams-Vs-Francois-Botha-fight-undercard-2013/tabid/415/articleID/286149/Default.aspx#ixzz2KJwsMMgf
8 Feb 2013, 17:12 pm
@Stawm-19: I was very impressed with Quade’s awesome short hooks and powerful jabs. He got a lot of speed and impact into those punches.
SBW boxed better, but that was a joke. Botha only started boxing in the 10th and SBw was kukking in his broek! Holding his hands out in front of him, hugging onto Botha for dear life…
8 Feb 2013, 17:12 pm
can anyone provide the names of the judges, the referee and their country of origin?
or is it just to be assumed that all the officials were kiwis?
seems to be the case on this blog..
8 Feb 2013, 17:14 pm
@bokfan1-157: Hmmm, NZ cheating??? SA cheating = Hansie, enough said! Mate, you guys are shockers. Go buy your “Justice” armband in the morning.
8 Feb 2013, 17:14 pm
@kaksioek-160: This is live commentary from a Kiwi website.
8 Feb 2013, 17:14 pm
@the curse-162: mind you
all us kiwis are alcoholic wife beaters too, so it shouldnt really surprise me one bit..
8 Feb 2013, 17:16 pm
@the curse-165:
Jy is nie want jy is enkel lopend.
8 Feb 2013, 17:16 pm
@kaksioek-164: And round 1-8??
8 Feb 2013, 17:17 pm
At least the Kiwis admit they are alcoholic wife beaters…
8 Feb 2013, 17:17 pm
@lawsy25-167: Oh, I’m sorry, are you too tired to click on the link? How unfair of me.
8 Feb 2013, 17:19 pm
@willievz-168: Well, it seems good enough for all the Saffa’s trying to escape South Africa.
8 Feb 2013, 17:19 pm
@Fern-166: sorry Lazarus, why dont you talk to me in English?
8 Feb 2013, 17:19 pm
@the curse-151:
You must be careful to not use taunts from opposing supporters on a public forum, used in jest (hopefully) to form an opinion of a whole nation of people.
8 Feb 2013, 17:20 pm
At least the Kiwi who wrote that live commentary had both eyes open:
Decision, hmmmmm I’m not so sure it went the right way. In fact, it didn’t. Sonny was great in the fact he managed to stay on his feet… but the winner? Sonny won a few early rounds on points but Botha was pretty strong throughout, especially late. Two rounds lost – a disgrace to the sport. What happened to the 12 round fight? Botha would have won that over 12. In that, there is no doubt.
8 Feb 2013, 17:20 pm
@willievz-168: keep trying Willievz..
8 Feb 2013, 17:24 pm
Botha shouldn’t feel robbed really, he will probably get a rematch and another pay day out of it. And this time he will clean Sonny’s pipes, of that there is no doubt.
8 Feb 2013, 17:24 pm
@lawsy25-158: Jissie all we need – another crass, loudmouth, arrogant Kiwi.
Go read the authority-111 again to find out what the world thinks
8 Feb 2013, 17:25 pm
@the curse-171:
Want jy kan na n aanlyn vertaler toe gaan soos jy altyd doen.
Jy het al gepost hier in Afrikaans.
Eintlike rede?
Want ons land het twaalf ofisiele tale en ek kies om Afrikaans tegebruik omdat dit my moedertaal is.
Hoeveel tale is jy magtig?
8 Feb 2013, 17:25 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/newzealand/9857676/Sonny-Bill-Williams-fight-against-Francois-Botha-cut-short-by-two-rounds-as-former-All-Black-given-controversial-win.html
Sonny-Bill Williams fight against Francois Botha cut short by two rounds as former All Black given controversial win
Sonny-Bill Williams has won his sixth professional boxing fight in farcical circumstances when his contest with Francois Botha in Brisbane was cut short by two rounds in mid-fight.
By Telegraph Sport1:58PM GMT 08 Feb 2013
Williams was clearly in trouble, and taking a beating, at the end of his WBA international heavyweight title bout against the veteran South African, but held on to defy a flurry of punches and, somehow, win the fight on points.
There was much confusion, however, when the bout, scheduled for 12 rounds, was ended after 10. Botha said his trainer had been told only at the end of the ninth round that the 10th would be the final round.
“It’s a championship fight, how can you bend the rules just because he’s a superstar rugby player?” said the 44-year-old, who fought Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson earlier in his career.
“It’s unheard of,” he told Fox Sports News from his dressing room. “What the WBA should do now is immediately order a re-match.”
There was no immediate official explanation for the early end to the fight.
A World Cup winner with New Zealand in 2010 and Super Rugby champion with Waikato Chiefs last year, Williams has elected to return to rugby league with the Sydney Roosters this year and was non-commital about his future in boxing.
“I’m not sure, we’ll see how we go,” the 27 year-old said.
There was no complaint about the result when Australia fly-half Quade Cooper won his maiden boxing bout with a first-round knockout earlier on the same card.
Cooper took a couple of good punches before putting insurance salesman Barry Dunnett on his back with a clean right hook just before the end of the opening round of their cruiserweight contest.
Despite a dispute with the Australian Rugby Union last year, Cooper has remained in the 15-man code and will be hoping to win his place back in the Wallabies side for this year’s British and Irish Lions tour.
While Cooper was fighting, his Queensland Reds team-mates were being beaten 20-8 by the Chiefs in a Super Rugby pre-season friendly on the nearby Sunshine Coast.
8 Feb 2013, 17:25 pm
@kaksioek-173: I’ll say upfront that I don’t know anything about boxing. But it seemed the commentators weren’t biased (before the fight they all agreed SBW would be smashed) but during the fight, they all agreed SBW was winning it. Perhaps not in the 9th and obviously not in the 10th but every other round they called for SBW. The two missing rounds is a farce but I’m not sure the points decision is wrong
8 Feb 2013, 17:25 pm
What happened to “Rocking your rugby world” ?
Did Keo sober up and remove it?
8 Feb 2013, 17:28 pm
@kaksioek-178: Mate, watch the fight for yourself, if you have a brain and are level headed you will see who won the fight easily.
8 Feb 2013, 17:30 pm
@bokfan1-176: Jealousy gets you nowhere mate.
8 Feb 2013, 17:31 pm
Welcome to the world!
That fight wasn’t deem worth watching anyway but here is my advice to the lesser educated here:
Watch Marius Jonker tomorrow swinging it for the Kings, if someone here reckoned the SA syste here is better he will get a reality check no doubt!
Gee, only last week SARU appointed a match referee name Swindle, how fit?
8 Feb 2013, 17:32 pm
@gonzo-179: I haven’t watched it yet, but I also haven’t read a single report yet that suggests SBW would have won the fight had all of the the scheduled rounds been fought.
You can’t just cut a fight short to fix the result. That is so desperate it is truly laughable.
As the Telegraph put it:
There was much confusion, however, when the bout, scheduled for 12 rounds, was ended after 10. Botha said his trainer had been told only at the end of the ninth round that the 10th would be the final round.
“It’s a championship fight, how can you bend the rules just because he’s a superstar rugby player?” said the 44-year-old, who fought Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson earlier in his career.
“It’s unheard of,” he told Fox Sports News from his dressing room. “What the WBA should do now is immediately order a re-match.”
There was no immediate official explanation for the early end to the fight.
8 Feb 2013, 17:33 pm
@Fern-177: Hy ken net een – strond
8 Feb 2013, 17:33 pm
@Fern-177: congratulations on being able to speak different languages, its a pity that being able to do so hasnt taught you a bit more about respecting people from different races and nationalities..
as evidenced time and again on this blog..
me, Im guilty too, but I see enough on a daily basis here to have reached a point whereby I’ll send it back, with interest if need be.
8 Feb 2013, 17:34 pm
@victoriabok-180:
mirrag sakkie
toe ek moz toe was toe wag ek en n pel vir lift om op tegaan na ons vloer toe op die skip.
jinne maar hy los wenner,stink so erg hy hardloop na die trappe toe en gaan af in pleks van op.
8 Feb 2013, 17:34 pm
@lawsy25-182: Wooah! what a comeback. I can see the level of education among the kiwi posters here has at least not increased. Are you 10 years old?
8 Feb 2013, 17:36 pm
@lawsy25-181: Well, you’ve certainly put me in my place.
You won’t mind if the next time the Boks are leading the ABs we call an end to the match there and then, right champ?
Super.
8 Feb 2013, 17:37 pm
RIP Jan Ellis (71).
8 Feb 2013, 17:38 pm
RIP boxing too.
8 Feb 2013, 17:39 pm
@the curse-186:
jy hoef my nie geluk tewens nie.
ek is gebore en groot geword in durban en my ouers is afrikaans so engels het natuurlik gekom want dit is die taal wat deur die meeste mense daar gepraat word.
ek is dus vlot in afrikaans en engels.
ek het nog nooit gestaaf dat ek slim,klas of goeie maniere het nie.
ek hou slim mense om my en vra baie raad van hulle af.
ek dink die feit dat ek vlot tweetalig is kan tot n groot mate vleiende wees en die vals persepsie skep dat ek intilligent is.
8 Feb 2013, 17:39 pm
@Fern-187:
Môre Boet
Lyk my Keo het ons kakpraatstories uitgevee
Los daai ou uit, ek dink dis ou Tackler
Die enigste ding wat hy in sy lewe getackle het was sy krom tril met mevrou palm en haar vyf dogters
8 Feb 2013, 17:39 pm
@kaksioek-184: If the tenth round was another 10 seconds longer he wouldn’t have lasted. I agree, if it was twelve rounds, Botha would have won by knock out. But when they announced that it was only a ten round fight, SBW was on top. At the time, shortening the fight was farcical but didn’t appear to my uneducated eye to give SBW an advantage..at the time.
8 Feb 2013, 17:39 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-190: http://www.supersport.com/rugby/sa-rugby/news/130208/Bok_legend_Jan_Ellis_dies
8 Feb 2013, 17:42 pm
@bokfan1-188: 10?? no, I’m not 10 years old. I’m 33 so probably 23 years to old for the normal blokes you speak to online?? Mate, you have no idea, i’m interested, have you left Africa ever?/
8 Feb 2013, 17:42 pm
@the authority-111: That was quite a hardcore post, but not untrue and I can concur thats how the majority in British Isles feel (having lived there).
Kiwis will not acknowledge it nor will there be introspection about it, and the posters here will (and have) made fun of little side issues (like that you play online games or work in IT) just to avoid your actual point.
This attitude seems to go at least as far back to Colin Meads: “…Colin “Pinetree” Meads grabbed and wrenched Catchpole’s leg while he was pinned under other players in a ruck, tearing his hamstring off the bone, and severely rupturing his groin muscles. He was aged twenty-eight and his rugby career was finished.” (wikipedia)
Meads is now revered in NZ as a legend…
8 Feb 2013, 17:43 pm
@bokfan1-188: seems your intelligence is also representative of someones who hasnt improved..
“The lengths the Kiwis will go to cheat and prevent a loss is unbelievable.”
and this is the statement of someone “intelligent” all said with no basis of proof whatsoever!
8 Feb 2013, 17:43 pm
@lawsy25-196: hahahaha, that one was a bit better son. Hopefully you wont stay on this site for long
8 Feb 2013, 17:43 pm
@victoriabok-193:
Jinne ons sit mos in n lounge en suip en jy betaal $8 vir 4 biere.
Die mo er los toe nog n ripper,ek vlug en gaan sit by ander mense by hulle tafel,die waitress gaan na hom,ryk die scene en hy praat met haar en wys vinger na my.
probeer haar se dis ek,hy het daai bucket alleen daar gesuip.
8 Feb 2013, 17:44 pm
@kaksioek-189: Have you watched it? answer honestly?? or read online posts?
8 Feb 2013, 17:44 pm
@gonzo-194: I’m not really sure what your point is. In any event, I don’t think there is a man alive who can explain this away.
Surely we can all agree that this was a farce of absurd proportions.
I have to go now, but will check back later to see if anyone has put forward a convincing explanation. I would be genuinely interested to read it.
8 Feb 2013, 17:46 pm
@the curse-198: Ouch! If we are talking about intelligence, lets discuss use of written English (if English is your first language? If not, then I can understand why its so badly written):
“seems your intelligence is also representative of someones who hasnt improved..”
- should be “someone’s”
- “intelligence” is a thing, not a person, so “who” should be “that”
- Improved from what?
Are you and lawsy25 using the same “Comebacks for Dummies” book?
8 Feb 2013, 17:47 pm
@Fern-200:
Mosambiek?
8 Feb 2013, 17:49 pm
@the curse-198: You are right though, I did make that comment with no” basis of proof” (sic) so I do apologise for that.
I dont know if the fight was arranged or reffed by Kiwis, or if indeed something dodgy happened.
Just strange how many times there are strange results, or strange occurrences that allow NZ to win… (including RWC 2011 – won by 1 point)
8 Feb 2013, 17:49 pm
@bokfan1-197: Wow, good for you living in England. I lived in England for 10 years also and South Africans are hated over there. Dirty ear biting, eye gougers my boss used to call you lot ( he played for England at fly half) can’t give the name.
8 Feb 2013, 17:49 pm
@victoriabok-204:
Ja MSC Opera 5 dag trip na Imhambane gewees.
As jy wil praat van stokke k ak kyk nie verder as n paar de op ratpacks nie.
8 Feb 2013, 17:51 pm
@bokfan1-203: so, diverting to mistakes written at 3:00am in the morning.. good one..
“lets discuss use of written English ” = lets discuss THE use of written English (if youre going to correct someone, you may want to make sure that your own use is also correct )
why didnt you answer my question.
“”The lengths the Kiwis will go to cheat”
so please, provide the evidence of this statement of fact you so belligerently threw around.. if not, my original point stands.
heresay and supposition do not make your statement fact..
obviously, being the intelligent guy you are, you know this and are ready to counter my question with proof and facts right?
8 Feb 2013, 17:53 pm
@bokfan1-197: You think we were avoiding his point? He was generalising about how people from the UK generalise about Kiwis. I don’t think he really had a point besides that he hates NZers and wants to legitimise it by saying other nationalities feel the same way. I’ve heard plenty of Saffers complain about other Saffers – the rapists, the murders, politicians, the racists, the corrupt people living off the state. Can I generalise and assume all Saffers are like that?
8 Feb 2013, 17:54 pm
@bokfan1-205: Only strange because you are watching with one eye closed
8 Feb 2013, 17:55 pm
@bokfan1-203: making fun of someone’s english then confusing “its” with “it’s”. Nice
8 Feb 2013, 17:59 pm
@Fern-207:
Waar is jy, in SA?
> n paar de op ratpacks nie.
Diensplig?
8 Feb 2013, 18:01 pm
@the curse-208: Ummm I did answer it in @bokfan1-205
8 Feb 2013, 18:05 pm
@bokfan1-205: Joubert let plenty go for both sides during that final, but most wont see it that way because it doesnt sit with the whole “NZ are favoured” theory..
so be it, nothing can change the result, but if you think France, who lost two pool games, one to Tonga ffs deserved to win the World cup then fair enough.
8 Feb 2013, 18:05 pm
@lawsy25-206:
So you worked for a whinging Pom who got stuffed up to often as a England player when playing against the Boks?
Did the bite him and gauge him too?
Pity he doesn’t have a pair then he could have accused them of grabbing him by the b@lls as well, but I guess he was lucky.
8 Feb 2013, 18:05 pm
@gonzo-209: You can generalise if you want. You are not talking about sport anymore (which is what the post was about).
“I’ve heard plenty of Saffers complain about other Saffers” – not sure what the point of this was?
the post (which I didnt write) was not about kiwis complaining about kiwis, but how the rest of the sporting world views NZ in general.
8 Feb 2013, 18:05 pm
@bokfan1-213: I know, i was typing my post when you responded and as such didnt see it until after I posted… so no dramas
8 Feb 2013, 18:07 pm
@bokfan1-216: so we are to take the word of one poster, who speaks for the rest of the world?
dont they have their own opinions?
8 Feb 2013, 18:08 pm
@the curse-214: You keep believing that.
The world’s press was all about how bad and one-sided the reffing was.
Most embarrassing day to be a Saffa since the Boks acted like thugs at Twickenham in 2003.
ABs had to hold that ball at the back of the ruck for about 5 mins at the end (too scared to play it).
The question is more: Do a team that 1. beats the team that lost to Tonga, 2. beat the same team already in the pool stages & 3. has home ground advantage, yet scrapes to a 1 point victory, deserve the world cup?
8 Feb 2013, 18:09 pm
@the curse-217: its all good mate.
@the curse-218: Unfortunately it is not just 1 poster. There are 1000s of posts on this site alone (not just from Saffas) and any other rugby blog you care to visit
8 Feb 2013, 18:11 pm
@bokfan1-216: oh online rugby is sport is it. Ok, my mistake
8 Feb 2013, 18:14 pm
@victoriabok-212:
Ek is in Pta.
Diensplig gedoen
ou vertel my n storie
hy staan mos wag en gaan om te k ak
tel die deksel op die loer die dr ol vir hom,staan regop en uit die water uit soos n periskoop.
kon hom nie eers weg flush nie:-)
8 Feb 2013, 18:17 pm
@gonzo-221: No, let me explain:
the post was about how kiwis are viewed when it comes to sport (cheating).
Your example about Saffas was about “rapists”, “murders”, “corrupt people” – these are not sports attributes.
Im not sure about NZ, but those are not sports in SA (although some of our citizens appear to be trying to make it a sport
)
8 Feb 2013, 18:19 pm
@bokfan1-223:
poops het al alle suid afrikaanse mans vertel hulle is rassiste,verkragters en moordenaars.
8 Feb 2013, 18:20 pm
@bokfan1-219: we’ll have to agree to disagree on that then… France impinged on many occassions that Joubert also let go, so I think it evened out in the end..
07 was farcical, and if you think Barnes was “fair” that day then nothing I can say will change that (and no, not because of one forward pass).. 2 penalties by a team defending constantly with 30% posession, yet not one penalty in the second half?
Im sure that there are also 1000s of posters worldwide who dont think highly of SA either, and its usually people from countries who have poor records against our teams..
if the English, irish and Welsh beat NZ more regularly do you think their supporters would feel the same way? of course not, its like the many Saffas who feel without question NZ are favoured..
yet at soccer city, NZ didnt receive a penalty until the 60th minute, was this seriously fair reffing that day?
8 Feb 2013, 18:25 pm
@Fern-153: does it use a lot of bandwith. Im in the sticks and not easy to reload the cap
8 Feb 2013, 18:26 pm
@bokfan1-223: I must have misread it, thinking it was just another anti-Kiwi rant. So you’re telling me it was specific to Kiwis being cheats at sport, not anything broader than that. Ok, I got it.
Do you realise how bitter and twisted you seem? SA loses the QF and it’s the fault of the Kiwi ref. NZ wins the final and they cheated but no mention of the Saffer ref.
8 Feb 2013, 18:26 pm
@Fern-224: net soos jy dink al die kiwi&’s is alkoholiste, vrou stokke en pleeg selfmoord wanneer ons &’n rugby wedstryd verloor
kan nie begin op jou gedagtes op ons vroue mate
vreemd dat jy dont like dit, maar dink niks van dit wanneer die etikettering van kiwi mans of vroue.
het die pennie val nie?
8 Feb 2013, 18:27 pm
@Fern-222:
Ons het altyd onder duet die toilt deur gekyk diensplig tyd) dat ‘n ou sit, dan rol jy ‘n moerse lot tp af, sommer ‘n hele rol.
Dan steek jy dit aan die brand en gooi dit oor die deur in die cubicle in
Jy moet sien hoe trap ‘n ou brandende kakpapier dood met sy broek om sy knieë
En hulle vloek
Baie beter as wat ou Skop ooit kan
8 Feb 2013, 18:29 pm
@@whistle@blower@-226:
dont think so
@the curse-228:
Kan jy asb weer probeer,daai post is n raaisel.
8 Feb 2013, 18:30 pm
@Fern-153:
> John Robbie het n oggend show in die week,ek vind hom irriterend.
No sh.it, sy PK is long overdue, lank voordat Pukie nog gebore is in fact
8 Feb 2013, 18:30 pm
@victoriabok-229:
toe ons na basies opmanne toe gegaan het was dit altyd n jol oor naweke om op n stoel testaan en n emmer water oor die ou uit tegooi.
8 Feb 2013, 18:32 pm
@Fern-230:
> Kan jy asb weer probeer,daai post is n raaisel.
Goeie Afrikaans vir ‘n Kiwi
Was hy nie veronderstel om ‘n Maori Kiwi te gewees het wat in Australië werk nie?
8 Feb 2013, 18:32 pm
John Robbie moet dalk terug gaan ierland toe en aan versoening daar werk vicbok.
toe ek daar was het mense my gemaan om nie mense uit tevra oor “the troubles” nie.
8 Feb 2013, 18:34 pm
@victoriabok-233:
Hy is maar die aanlyn vertalersis nooit baie akuraat nie.
Hy is nie maori nie,ken nie eers die taal of kultuur nie.
Te Rangita is n goeie ou en ken sy taal en kultuur en hy is baie meer levelheaded.
8 Feb 2013, 18:36 pm
I am surprised more alcoholic, woman beating islanders didn’t pitch up to gloat about the win.
8 Feb 2013, 18:37 pm
@Fern-230: hence one can never trust an online translator..
8 Feb 2013, 18:38 pm
@Dusky-236: yawn, shouldnt you be off raping someone?
8 Feb 2013, 18:38 pm
@Fern-234:
Nee jong die klomp in die UK en hulle kolonies se bekke is en wasnog altyd groot oor SA en hulle het al die antwoorde
Maar sodra jy hulle uitvra oor hulle probleme dan het hulle allerhande verskonings soos “it’s a complicated issue”
As jy hulle hier oor die Indiane uitvra dan vertel hulle jou hoe lui hulle is, en dat hulle net wil drink en wag vir handouts
8 Feb 2013, 18:39 pm
@Fern-235: you base an assumption that I am not maori how Fern?
hahaha talk about arrogance..
8 Feb 2013, 18:40 pm
@the curse-238:
Buk boet ek’s seker Transie sal jou uithelp
Het jy Vaseline of gebruik jy sommer ‘n bietjie mensvet uit gisteraand se stew pot?
8 Feb 2013, 18:41 pm
@the curse-225: I didnt say a word about 2007.
We are not talking about the world’s opinion on SA. The post above was about NZ. Dont try to change the subject with deflection.
re: Soccer City: rugby reffing in general is really bad, so possibly NZ deserved a penalty sooner.
8 Feb 2013, 18:41 pm
@victoriabok-239:
em die regering gee hulle drank en plek om tebly verniet…
moenie die aussies vra oor die feit dat jy op n stadium n lisensie kon kry om aborigines tejag nie.
nz is n baie insulere plek en aus hou hulle ekonomie aan die gang so jy moet verstaan.
gaan google expat exposed en lees daar om n idee tekry.
8 Feb 2013, 18:42 pm
@victoriabok-241: yawn… you hiding in Canada to escape punishment for all the crimes you commited in South Africa?
you a chicken runner who profitted of the misery of millions before apartheid fell?
thought so..
just how much blood is on your hands?
8 Feb 2013, 18:44 pm
@the curse-240:
glad nie.
ek het gese jy is glad nie vertroud met jou taal of kultuur nie.
daar is maori met blou ogies en rooi hare maar hulle kwalifiseer agv die persentasie maori bloed in hulle are.
@the curse-238:
ignoreer maar dusky
hy is of baie moeg of d ronk.
8 Feb 2013, 18:45 pm
@the curse-244:
weet jy wat?
daai lyn is al so moeg en werk nie meer nie.
8 Feb 2013, 18:45 pm
@gonzo-227:
How bitter and twisted I seem? I didnt write the post mate.
“SA loses the QF and it’s the fault of the Kiwi ref.” – it was 70% ref’s fault. The Boks shouldve scored more and shouldve scored a try to put it beyond doubt. They shouldve passed more backwards.
“NZ wins the final and they cheated but no mention of the Saffer ref” – Again, it was in my post bokfan1-219. The first thing I mentioned is the ref. Joubert did not police McCaw (and the NZ pack in general) and he was probably over-awed by the occasion.
However, which ref on earth wouldve been held “responsible” for NZ losing that final? After all the strings had been pulled to give NZ a World Cup, and a (loaded) chance of actually winning the cup.
No ref that wanted a future career at the IRB woudlve penalised NZ properly or given McCaw a yellow.
8 Feb 2013, 18:46 pm
Wow. Something new
Keep it coming
8 Feb 2013, 18:46 pm
Getting popcorn …
8 Feb 2013, 18:47 pm
@Fern-245: again, thats an assumption you make…
tired of this, I see you guys dont want to converse, would rather be w@nkers..
fair enough
cheers Bokfan1, enjoyed chatting..
8 Feb 2013, 18:47 pm
@the curse-244:
daar is iets soos interpol en “crimes against humanities” en “war crimes” so jou aas het geen gewig nie…
8 Feb 2013, 18:47 pm
What about predictions as always
8 Feb 2013, 18:51 pm
Pops
Trust me
Fern’s Afrikaans is kuk
And a word to the wise. Dont use “rape” here.
Sensitive issue.
8 Feb 2013, 18:52 pm
@bokfan1-247: Again, you try to claim innocence then start saying Joubert had no choice but to gift it to the Kiwis. Perhaps he was on the take and NZ had nothing to do with it. Or, I know this is crazy, but perhaps NZ, #1 team in the world, just won.
8 Feb 2013, 18:54 pm
@the curse-244:
Ek verstaan nie julle sienswyse nie maar het dit by n MOTH Hall op Waiheke Eiland eerstehands ervaar.
Dit was n Saterdag en daar was n snuffelmark.
n WO1 veteraan met sy baadjie aan kom nie met sy kierie by n rolstoel oploop oploop nie want niemand het hom n kans gegee nie.
Ek het hom by die arm gevat en opgehelp en elke persoon wat my k ak vertel het belowe in engels dat ek hulle k onte sal inskop.
Hoekom word die hero’s so hanteer?
Conscription was afgedwing.
Praat van bloed op hande?
Vra vir skoppy oor sy dae toe hy die kaplyne geloop het.
8 Feb 2013, 18:55 pm
RIP Jan Ellis
A Bok legend especially when in tandem with Piet Greyling.
8 Feb 2013, 19:03 pm
Keo for Dummies aka Keo 101
Here’s how it works:
You post something good, and we post some more good stuff that you might like.
You post bullsh1t and we insult you
8 Feb 2013, 19:05 pm
@nortierd-257:
ek vind dit net vreemd dat iemand in aus wil komentaar lewer oor SA.
sy vrae tydens matriek was duidelik nie gewees wat hy gaan swot of waar hy diensplig dalk mag doen nie.
8 Feb 2013, 19:06 pm
@nortierd-257: Read the first 20 posts and you’ll see how we ended up back on two of the most popular topics – kiwis are cheats and saffers are . Surprisingly, the Kings haven’t been mentioned yet.
8 Feb 2013, 19:07 pm
@the curse-244:
Wanneer gaan jy die Maoris se grond teruggee?
> before apartheid fell?
I left in 2009
Surely a blowhard know-all like you know are familiar with 1994?
> just how much blood is on your hands?
Not enough, come here and I will remedy it
8 Feb 2013, 19:07 pm
@gonzo-259:
Regstelling
Fok die Kings
8 Feb 2013, 19:08 pm
@I am a stormer-256:
Jan was ‘n goeie ou, ek het gereeld gesien in Rayton
8 Feb 2013, 19:10 pm
Why did this Buffalo wait until round 10 to start boxing
8 Feb 2013, 19:11 pm
@victoriabok-260:
ek sal graag wil **** wat is sy struggle history ivm opisisie tot apartheid en wat hy doen dat die maoris hulle land terug kry?
8 Feb 2013, 19:11 pm
@victoriabok-260: hahaha you believe Fern about my lack of maori heritage?
how gullible you are…
strange that Fern doesnt like someone in Aus speaking about SA, yet feels it okay to question someones heritage without a shred of evidence?
keep going you xenophobic fools..
8 Feb 2013, 19:11 pm
@gonzo-259:
@gonzo-259:
Gonzo, let’s stir a bit
LUKE WATSON everyone
8 Feb 2013, 19:11 pm
@the curse-225:
> yet at soccer city, NZ didnt receive a penalty until the 60th minute, was this seriously fair reffing that day?
Rather tell us more about Charlie Dempsey, the corrupt old f.uck who screwed us out of a W
8 Feb 2013, 19:12 pm
@victoriabok-267:
World Cup?
8 Feb 2013, 19:12 pm
@nortierd-266:
> LUKE WATSON everyone
Dooooooooooooooossssss
8 Feb 2013, 19:13 pm
@Fern-258:
Hulle is te besig om Quade se oorwinning te vier, so hulle sal netnou nugter word en begin stront praat.
Dis nou te se as Quade die dwelm toets slaag
8 Feb 2013, 19:15 pm
@victoriabok-260:
Onthou ook dat keewee land verander in n retirement village
Die 18-35 jaar burgers gaan Aus toe.
Wat Expats aanbetref,hule vlieg nie nz toe en soek werk nie,hulle het skills wat benodig word so hy moet eintlik dankbaar wees.
As Mzansi in die blik van n oog misdaadvry kon wees sou hulle groot probleme gehad het.
8 Feb 2013, 19:15 pm
@nortierd-270:
As hy nie moet hulle hom net meer gee
Hy lyk of hy ‘n pusher kon gewees het
8 Feb 2013, 19:15 pm
@lawsy25-147: That’s rich talk from you considering 99% of All Black tries are scored from multiple forward passes, despite the it being against the rules of the game.
You should be more humble too, ABs lost to lowly England in their last match. SA won all their end of year macthes in Europe, including England.
8 Feb 2013, 19:18 pm
@the curse-265:
Nee Nee,konteks.
Jy se nz is utopia maar jy werk in oz.
hoe so?
is julle ekonomie nie dinamies genoeg om n ou soos jou te onderstuen nie.
om van nz na aus tegaan beteken ook nie jy was oorsee nie,dis n kort vlug.
8 Feb 2013, 19:21 pm
@Fern-271:
Die Boomers tree af en dis hoekom hulle immigrante soek, hier ook, om hulle pensioene en mediese uitgawes te betaal. En hulle leef al hoe langer wat maak dat hulle vir veel langer ‘n drain op die stelsels gaan wees veral in lande met ‘n Staats medies soos hier en in Engeland (ek weet nie wat hulle in Oz en Kiwi het nie)
In Amerika tree daar 10 000 van hulle per dag af
Ja, as die misdaad verdwyn het was dit ‘n ander storie
Soos my vrou sê “Jy kom nie Kanada toe vir die weer nie”
8 Feb 2013, 19:23 pm
@daydreamer-273: our first loss in 21 matches..
SA could only ever dream of emulating that
your 4nations win record was 33%
lmfao 2 wins in 6 games… 4 wins in 9 games if you include the English series, 7 wins from 12 with the EOYT..
approx. a 55% win record this year..
NZs was approx. 87 %
know which one I prefer..
8 Feb 2013, 19:23 pm
Championship bouts are 12 rounds while non championship bouts was 10 rounds. Obviously this was a non championship bout, because there was no title on the line. Sonny bill won fair and square.
8 Feb 2013, 19:23 pm
@Fern-271:
Wat het jy in NZ gedoen en hoe lank het jy daar gebly?
‘n Vriend van my wou Kanada toe kom maar toe dit sloer het hy op die Suid Eiland gaan bly, ek dink die plek is Blenheim?
Dis baie mooi maar hy was dood verveeld
8 Feb 2013, 19:24 pm
@victoriabok-275:
ek het respek vir julle besluit en dit was gegrond op misdaad.
jou mater vlug van nz na aus op grond van wat?
ek het dit al uitgespel,kom ons sien of hy kan erken.
8 Feb 2013, 19:25 pm
@nortierd-266: Keo’s gone down hill. Isn’t there a Lions/Kings game this weekend? And no article. Me, I’m torn, there’s a Kiwi coach and Kiwi in the backline, which means my default position is to support them but as a Blues fan, I already suffer enough
8 Feb 2013, 19:27 pm
@victoriabok-278:
ek was n maand daar
getoer van auckland na christchurch.
baie vervelig.
baie mooi
ouens is civil
girls is baie aangenam personality wise.
baie mense immigrate na nz toe want dis maklik en n gateway na aus toe na n paar jaar.
8 Feb 2013, 19:32 pm
@gonzo-280:
Blues should do better this year, or one would expect and hope so.
Lions/Kings tomorrow could have been an epic match, but no Watson, Dmitri and a couple of 1st choice Kings players.
They know the Lions will be champing at the bit for this game, so slightly anti climatic to hear the Kings aren’t playing their best side
8 Feb 2013, 19:34 pm
@Fern-281:
> baie mooi
Dit is van die fotos wat hy geneem het lyk baie soos hier aan die Weskus
Hulle het net nie al ons wille goeters nie
> ouens is civil
Hier ook maar baie verpoepd
‘n SA moffie is tien keer meer butch as die average metro hier
> girls is baie aangenam personality wise.
Mooi?
Hier is nogal mooies, plain teen SA s’n, maar hulle is bemoerd, baie rooikoppe ook
> baie mense immigrate na nz toe want dis maklik en n gateway na aus toe na n paar jaar.
En die Kiwis ook?
8 Feb 2013, 19:38 pm
Where is the rocking the something or other thread gone written by keo…..? Am not finish reading it….had the page where Ruck called ET a pinpongprick….love it, fantastic insult she is teaching me so much lol.
8 Feb 2013, 19:42 pm
vicbok ek het gese die dollas is aangenaam persoonlikheid gewys.
nie gese hulle is mooi nie.
8 Feb 2013, 19:43 pm
@Fern-255:
> Hoekom word die hero’s so hanteer?
Conscription was afgedwing.
Praat van bloed op hande?
Jy kry hulle hier ook, die lefty nutcases, hulle gee voor hulle is so liberaal maar hulle sou hulle linkerbal gee om onder Stalin of Mau se bewind te kon bly
Hier was tot een wat voorgestel het Ontario moet Sharia Law instel
8 Feb 2013, 19:44 pm
@Treehugger-284:
> pinpongprick
Excellent
8 Feb 2013, 19:47 pm
@Fern-285:
Hoeveel biere handicap het hulle gemiddeld?
8 Feb 2013, 19:48 pm
@victoriabok-286:
Ek kyk nou n program op KykNet waar hulle met Piet Byleved praat.
Jinne die ou is een van n soort.
FBI en Scotland Yard het hom al gekontak vir raad met van hulle sake.
8 Feb 2013, 19:49 pm
korreksie
piet byleveld
8 Feb 2013, 19:50 pm
@victoriabok-262:
My mate had a farm in the Cullinan area where Jan had his auction business.
Intersting stat – Jan Ellis and Piet Greyling never played a rugby match as opponents over the course of 11 years of their 1st class careers.
8 Feb 2013, 19:52 pm
@victoriabok-288:
so en hond bier gemid,so dis so 7 biere.
Maar jy is daar en wil hulle bier suip en dollas eet so die hoop beskaam nie.
8 Feb 2013, 19:52 pm
en=een
8 Feb 2013, 19:55 pm
Magtag Sunni Bin almost lost this
8 Feb 2013, 19:55 pm
@Fern-292:
Solank jy net ‘n stukkie kry teen die einde
8 Feb 2013, 19:57 pm
@I am a stormer-291:
Me too
Once they had a piano at the auction and the guys said “Jan speel bietjie iets vir ons”
And he sat down and played it with those huge hands
8 Feb 2013, 19:58 pm
@Fern-292:
> Maar jy is daar en wil hulle dollas eet
Is hulle lui of besig?
8 Feb 2013, 20:00 pm
vicbok ek was in die army.eet wat jy kry.
8 Feb 2013, 20:01 pm
@victoriabok-297:
Ek is nou in pta en baie happy met my gf.
8 Feb 2013, 20:03 pm
@victoriabok-297:
besig
was nooit lui nie
8 Feb 2013, 20:05 pm
@Dawn-294:
If the fight had gone the required 12 rounds – as it was supposed to – then Sonny Bill would have sat on his arse in the middle of the ring.
Imagine a ref ending a rugby game 10 minutes before time – reason being – oh it was decided – fuckingbullshit home town decision that was, nothing else.
8 Feb 2013, 20:05 pm
Coupla pingpongpricks besig here tonight
8 Feb 2013, 20:06 pm
Sunni was out on his pretty feet!
8 Feb 2013, 20:10 pm
I wonder if some cullerts on here even have a passport and where they have been overseas…
Robben island does not count.
8 Feb 2013, 20:13 pm
@Dawn-302:
Bite my fat one
8 Feb 2013, 20:13 pm
@Fern-304:
Prop blame apartheid if they have not been abroad yet…
Telling all how great Cape Town is…
Sadly telling us all how her aged parents had to wait for prescrition meds for hours.
Mzansi needs to look at basic service delivery.
8 Feb 2013, 20:13 pm
@Fern-304:
Wat van die “afspringers” wat in Gauteng beland?
Tel dit nie?
8 Feb 2013, 20:15 pm
@victoriabok-307:
dit tel nie.
die ouens in gauteng hou vol die ouens in brokeback mountain is nie fam nie.
8 Feb 2013, 20:15 pm
@I am a stormer-301: Home town decision? The announcer didn’t even know his name. “Welcome to the ring…Sonny Boy Willlllllliaaaaams!” Don’t think anyone in Brisbane cares for SBW.
If it was fixed, they were both in on it. It creates some drama and an interesting rivalry. If you ask me, Nassar has them set up on a package deal to audition for the next Batman movie. SBW as Bruce Wayne with a bit of a gansta aksunt and Botha as Bane. Sonny’s already conquered sport, next stop Hollywood
8 Feb 2013, 20:15 pm
@Fern-298:
Pasop vir die dikkes
8 Feb 2013, 20:16 pm
@Fern-200:
reminds me of a story a Radio 5 DJ told (think wz Alex Jay) He let rip with one in his car that almost suffocated him. When he pulled in at the filling station, opened his window, the petrol attendant backed off.
8 Feb 2013, 20:17 pm
@Fern-308:
Die ouens van Eersterust wat saam met my gewerk het het hulle “afspringers” genoem want hulle het blykbaar met die trein verbygekom en afgespring toe hulle die beskawing sien
8 Feb 2013, 20:17 pm
@@whistle@blower@-311:
Shell F-Power with extra farts?
8 Feb 2013, 20:20 pm
vicbok
sit op die boot en 2 dollas stap verby
hy se hardop
jy vat die vet een,ek vat die vetter een.
bwhahaha
ek ken hom al darem lank.
8 Feb 2013, 20:20 pm
@Fern-306:
> Prop blame apartheid if they have not been abroad yet…
Jy moes dit nie gesê het nie, nou gaan die hele ou koor sanik en Transie en Skop gaan kyk wie daaroor die groot grootste kluit kan stoot
Gepraat van kluit stoot, dis die antidote vir Skop, toe ons gister begin kak praat toe verdwyn hy soos ‘n wet dream
8 Feb 2013, 20:21 pm
@Fern-314:
Wie?
8 Feb 2013, 20:21 pm
OMG, I’ve just watched a rerun of the Sonny Bill comedy – coz that’s what it was – that young man may have a future as puppet or an actor, but as a boxer? Never … a man (who lost 4 of his previous 5 fights), & who is almost old enough to be his father, owned the sorry sonny’s a_rse with TWO MORE ROUNDS to go (but not be) …. Sonny was going dOWn, man, dOWn – anyone with eyes could see.
I’ve never seen such a disgrace of fight. WBA Heavyweight Champion! ffs it sullies boxing (& all previous brave warrior champions) as a whole …
& this in a week when the sanctimonious Aussie sports minister & his cohorts confess widespread drug abuse & match fixing Down Under, & promise tough action against all comers that don’t fess up & subsequently get caught out.
Jeesh, Mr Minister, just get the “clean-up & tough punishment” ball rolling with this outrageous disgrace of a “fight”!
Earlier today I read what you guys had to say – but never thought it was this bad.
8 Feb 2013, 20:27 pm
@ vicbok
was ek en nmaat.
@victoriabok-315:
Skopy is gebore in Israel…
8 Feb 2013, 20:27 pm
@gonzo-309:
SBW may indeed have a future in Hollywood in a re-make of the blockbuster “The people vs Larry Flynt” the way the women in the office were misbehaving.
As for Fransie Botha:
A minor role in a spaghetti western as a Bud Spencer clone would do him well.
8 Feb 2013, 20:28 pm
just got back from the mining indaba in cape town.
pretty clear that our overwhelmed government should steer clear of the heavyweights in the industry.
they were outclassed – sadly.
8 Feb 2013, 20:30 pm
Two pingpongpricks
8 Feb 2013, 20:31 pm
@Angostura-317: Oh, & almost forgot: Quade Cooper was impressive & looked the bizniz
8 Feb 2013, 20:33 pm
@charo-320:
It’s a fight they can’t win
If the Government gives them s.hit they’ll just pack up and go elsewhere till they see the error of their ways
It’s not as if they could trust Zuma’s son (one of the maaaaany) to run the mining industry
8 Feb 2013, 20:33 pm
@victoriabok-316:
ek en n pel
8 Feb 2013, 20:37 pm
@Fern-314:
> jy vat die vet een,ek vat die vetter een.
Hoe vet was hulle?
Het jy Eno’s saamgevat?
8 Feb 2013, 20:38 pm
it was great to introduce my scottish mate to perseverance tavern though.
too often these guys get taken to the v&a waterfront and get no idea of the real cape town.
unfortunately the wind howled the whole week that we were there.
8 Feb 2013, 20:40 pm
@charo-320:
Clearly. The befuddled inglorious state in which we try to operate businesses fail to understand the continued operations of these mines are in the Governments own interests. Through increased employment and tax revenues. The Government in this country has to understand that they are stakeholders. Not shareholders.
If a mine decides to close down and lay off workers, then so be it. Where homes lose their only breadwinner. It is a business decision. I don’t see too many foreign entities rubbing their hands to invest in the good old RSA. Unless, of course, they are listed on the Shanghai SE – then you want to see labour disputes – our workers ain’t seen nothing yet.
8 Feb 2013, 20:41 pm
the way the Ozzies booed Sonny at the end…
snaaks…
8 Feb 2013, 20:44 pm
@Angostura-322:
Quade was impressive. But he threw more sidesteps than punches in the first 2 minutes.
8 Feb 2013, 20:44 pm
Brrrrrrrrpp!
8 Feb 2013, 20:55 pm
@Angostura-317:
i havn’t larfed out loud that much in years, boet… years…
the last part of round ten and the look on Sonny’s face… priceless…
this boy’s a decent rugby player and that’s it, nothing more. ok, maybe an acting career too would certainly net him a tidy sum but that’s it, finito.
8 Feb 2013, 20:57 pm
@I am a stormer-327:
unfortunately ms shabangu thought she was being clever by threatening to withhold mining licenses.
thinking, i suppose, that the rest of africa would follow suit.
the opposite is the truth – the new, progressive african countries are welcoming foreign mining investment – seeing the benefits to the fiscus and employment/education for their people.
anyway, enough of non-rugby matters.
8 Feb 2013, 21:00 pm
@Fern-314:
Was this the indian cherrie?
Or some other concubine?
8 Feb 2013, 21:03 pm
@charo-332:
In closing, our precious government doesn’t realise that we as a country are losing out on precious FDI. To the rest of Africa. We’re no longer flavour of the month.
Was it as good a party as they say?
8 Feb 2013, 21:10 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-331:
Mate, he’s damn fine rugby player.
Who would you rather see at 12 for the Bulls, if he was offered? SBW, Meisiekind or the laaitie Serfontein.
8 Feb 2013, 21:14 pm
@I am a stormer-335:
Serfontein.
8 Feb 2013, 21:15 pm
@I am a stormer-334:
social side of it was as good as ever.
expensive at $1800 to attend but the networking was invaluable.
nathan sharpe was there as part of an aussie mining development company.
chatted to him – purely business – he was obviously a pr exercise – zero knowledge of the industry.
but a good bloke nevertheless.
8 Feb 2013, 21:18 pm
@charo-337:
gary teichmann’s company had a stand.
they are doing very well in africa.
gary must be a multi-millionaire but still as humble as ever.
8 Feb 2013, 21:20 pm
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/8282616/Asterisk-on-Sonny-Bills-shortened-victory
Asterisk on Sonny Bill’s shortened victory
CHRIS BARCLAY
Last updated 07:36 09/02/2013
It was envisaged as a relaxing big game hunting mission for Sonny Bill Williams yet it was the former All Black who ultimately dodged a bullet as South Africa’s “White Buffalo” insists he was robbed of certain victory after a controversial WBA International heavyweight title fight in Brisbane last night.
Williams’ defeat of an aging though abrasive Francois Botha by unanimous decision inflicted yet another black eye on Australian sport during a week where the country’s professional athletes already stand accused of involvement in rampant drug use and match-fixing.
Two international visitors then added to the ignominy as professional boxing produced yet another farcical footnote to a business already renowned for baffling adjudications.
Williams had been expected to put the 44-year-old self-proclaimed “Buffalo” out to pasture, extend his professional record to 6-0 and add the nondescript WBA belt to his list of sporting achievements before resuming his NRL career at the Sydney Roosters on Monday.
Instead a befuddled Williams’ triumph was greeted by a crescendo of boos inside the Brisbane Entertainment Centre after the bout was sensationally trimmed from the originally scheduled 12 rounds to 10.
Botha plans to lodge a protest but regardless of the next step, Williams’ first win over a credentialed opponent will forever be accompanied by an asterix.
Although Williams dominated the majority of an entertaining encounter, the ring-savvy Botha inflicted serious damage during the 10th and had essentially poleaxed the 27-year-old Kiwi before he was saved by the bell.
Williams was rocked by a series of blows in the dying stages and as he struggled to stay upright during a frantic final three minutes referee Tony Kettlewell deducted a point for holding.
The relief among the Williams camp was palpable when the fight ended with trainer Mick Akkawy leading the charge to support the jelly-legged superstar.
The judging panel’s generous scoring of the bout 97-91, 98-94 97-91 in Williams’ favour further incensed sectors of a crowd angered the contest had been trimmed by six minutes.
Botha geed up a boisterous 4000-strong throng by raising his arms in victory and during a brief ringside interview he labelled the outcome: “Bullshit”.
Later in his dressing room Botha and trainer Hardy Mileham claimed they had been victims of a conspiracy to protect Williams’ unbeaten record.
“At the press conference it was 12 rounds, in the programmes … you cannot change it,” Botha argued.
“If it had gone 12 rounds I would have killed him.”
Mileham insisted the fight was set down for 12 three-minute rounds – a view supported by a graphic carried by the cable TV channel broadcasting the event.
The fact it had been shortened caught everyone off guard, particularly Botha and his corner.
Mileham said he was told during the eighth round the contest had been abbreviated, although he could not identify exactly who relayed the news.
Botha, meanwhile, said his game plan had been sabotaged by the alteration.
“I’m pacing myself and I always finish strong,” said Botha.
“Championship rounds (fights) are 12 rounds.
“There I got screwed. He was out on his feet. All I had to do was push him away and he would have fallen.
“He held on and he got through it.”
Although Williams was undoubtedly the finer physical specimen at the beginning of the main event, Botha used his 60 previous fights worth of experience to wear the novice down.
“I knew I’m going to break him down. This boy has never been later than six (rounds) so I’m going to get him.
“I was pacing myself to finish strong and ‘boom’ it didn’t happen.”
Botha sported a cut to the bridge of his nose and welts under both eyes though never sustained the type of cerebral punishment he inflicted on Williams.
But the pain of his ninth professional defeat still cut deep.
“How can you bend the rules because of a superstar in rugby?” he asked.
“He’s a superstar, he should be winning …. everyone wants him to win, his management wants him to win but how can you go bend the rules? It’s unheard of. They can’t get away with it.”
In tune with the puzzling end to the fight no WBA officials were available for comment – although Botha offered a solution.
“What the WBA should do now if they want to protect their name is immediately order a rematch and the real winner will arise.”
Botha, who transformed himself from pantomime villain in the lead-up to the people’s champion in the eyes of many, was gratified by the crowd reaction.
“I’ve got so much support here. People love me and that alone showed that I’m the winner,” he said.
Williams also had his fair share of support in the stands and raised the prospect of a rematch in Cape Town although it is unlikely his manager Khoder Nasser would entertain another match-up with a fighter of Botha’s durability.Nasser was inevitably in the spotlight during the confusing aftermath, claiming the fight was always going to span 10 rounds.
“My understanding was it was a 10 rounder. If it was a 12 rounder that’s just a total misunderstanding.
“He won, and he won easily. Full stop. They can protest all they want,” he stormed before deflecting attention to Botha’s rough house tactics.
“From our side of the camp we felt there were a lot of things happening in the ring that were totally illegal.
“He got very desperate and very dirty.”
Botha was deducted a point for persistently punching after the break in the ninth round, a dramatic stanza where he also succeeded in clocking Kettlewell twice.
But it was Williams who bore the brunt of Botha’s fists and he was visibly subdued more than an hour after his torment ended.
Unwilling to put a timeframe on when he might factor in his seventh fight, an exhausted Williams said: “I’m just proud to have taken on someone with the experience he has and win out.”
- © Fairfax NZ News
8 Feb 2013, 21:21 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-331:
Based on your predictions before the fight on how SBW will get farked up it is obvious that you know absolutely nothing about the sweet science of boxing and therefore you should in future refrain from even making a comment when rugger players get into some “handbags” on the field
8 Feb 2013, 21:21 pm
@I am a stormer-335:
his lack of morals and just his basic classless Kiwi type behaviour disgusts me totally.
i’m glad Botha moered him.
8 Feb 2013, 21:27 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-341:
Botha lost 8 out of 10 rounds so he is the one who got moered.
If a rugby team leads a match by say 50 points to zero and then score 2 converted tries in the last 5 minutes it does not mean they have won the match. Not even morally. Same with boxing, it is totally fair to be “saved by the bell”., its all part of the magic of the sport.
8 Feb 2013, 21:33 pm
@Robzim-342: What planet do you live on? If one rugby team is leading another but its players are exhausted, getting broken in half in tackles and dropping like flies, is it OK for their coach to speak to the ref and ask him to stop the match at the 60-minute mark?
8 Feb 2013, 21:33 pm
@Robzim-340:
hahaha
is jy ernstig?
Rob, dont be a doos. the fight was supposed to go 12 rounds and any fool could cleary see that SBW was out on his feet in the 10th, Botha allowed him to hang onto him and if he wanted could have pushed him which would have caused him to probably fall over.
the boy received a standing eight count and for all intents and purposes was TKO’d in the tenth. i think we can all agree he would not have made it to the 12th and would have gone down on the 11th.
8 Feb 2013, 21:34 pm
@Robzim-342:
i hope you’re trolling for a friday night larf, boet.
i respect your knowledge of boxing.
8 Feb 2013, 21:36 pm
@Robzim-342:
minus two mysteriously dissapearing rounds?
is that part of the magic of sport?
get real.
8 Feb 2013, 21:40 pm
@Robzim-342:
In all fairness, Rob, SBW was saved by 2 bells. The ones that didn’t ring at the end of rounds 11 and 12.
8 Feb 2013, 21:43 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-336:
I’d go for the other oke.
Serfontein would receive a rugby lesson at how to play at 12 at a very early age. Which is not a bad thing.
8 Feb 2013, 21:43 pm
Boxing is a brutal game… much more brutal then rugby can ever be- an it was a brutal fight- Botha is no mug, he might be fat and old but he is strong, as durable as one can get, he is game, he came out to fight, he is a a master of the cheap shot, he is intimidating in the ring, dirty as hell, has all the experience in the world. etc..ec..
I take my hat of for SBW for having the courage to take him on and for keeping his cool despite the verbal taunts and dirty tactics used by Botha ( it inludes similtaneous head clubbing, hitting on the break, hitting after the break, swearing at the opponent and at his corner ec..etc..
The ref should have disqualified Botha long before the 10th round.
8 Feb 2013, 21:47 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-346:
@I am a stormer-348:
If they decided only during the fight to reduce the rounds from 12 to 10 then I agree with you, then there is obviously something drastically wrong and imo the fight should be declared a no- contest.
But lets wait and see what the organisers say before we jump to conclusions, maybe it was communicated to the 2 camps before the fight?
8 Feb 2013, 21:50 pm
@kaksioek-343:
No, its not ok, but i have also not seen SBW’s coach speaking to the ref and ask him to reduce the rounds.
8 Feb 2013, 21:51 pm
@Robzim-349:
Botha clubbed his head and only hit him after the break in resonse to Sonny’s repeated holding.
still no mention of the missing two rounds..?..
i’m starting to repappraise my opinion of your boxing knowledge.
8 Feb 2013, 21:52 pm
@kaksioek-339:
thanks.
pretty much sums it if a little on the kind side to Sonny.
wonder who wrote the article?
8 Feb 2013, 21:53 pm
@Robzim-350:
please refer to post #339.
8 Feb 2013, 21:54 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-352:
See above #350 and 51) on my views re the “missing”rounds. Lets wait for the organisers to tell us whether they wealy went AWOL or what happened before we come to conclusions.
8 Feb 2013, 21:58 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-354:
Nasser is saying that his understanding was it was a 10 roundsand that If it was a 12 rounder that’s just a total misunderstanding.
So, there is a difference in opinion and lets wait for the official response from the WBA.
8 Feb 2013, 21:58 pm
@Robzim-349:
Somebody needs to go and read the rules:
http://wbanews.com/artman/uploads/1/WBA_Rules_adopted_in_Jakarta_10-30-12.pdf
You can say whatever you like, but the only way that fight could be stopped two rounds early is if the referee determined that one of the fighters was unable to continue or one of them was disqualified.
Neither of these two things happened.
Botha was docked one point for late punches and Williams was docked one point for hanging on.
I draw your attention to contest rule 2:
Bout Duration. All sanctioned bouts shall be scheduled for twelve (12) rounds.
Each round shall be scheduled for three (3) minutes duration with a one (1) minute rest between rounds.
8 Feb 2013, 22:00 pm
@Robzim-350:
Rob, the announcer made the annoucement in the 10th round!
No wonder, SBW looked sheepish.
8 Feb 2013, 22:01 pm
@I am a stormer-348:
yip.
i hear you and its just a difference in views really.
Serfontein will be Bok this year imo.
8 Feb 2013, 22:01 pm
There is no “misunderstanding” – the rules are crystal clear.
8 Feb 2013, 22:02 pm
@kaksioek-357:
If what you are saying is indeed correct ( I dont know and obviously do not have all the facts) then the fight should be declared a no- contest if Botha appeals. So lets see what happens.
8 Feb 2013, 22:03 pm
Australian sport is a disgrace.
8 Feb 2013, 22:05 pm
@Robzim-361: It’s pretty simple. If you can read, there is no room for confusion. Read it for yourself at the link provided.
8 Feb 2013, 22:07 pm
@I am a stormer-358:
I think he looked sheepish because of the shot he took to the head. after the bell rung.
Look, if it is so clear cut that they changed te rules (duration of he fight) illegally during the fight, then I agree 100% that the fight must be declared a no-contest so lets wait for the outcome of the appeal.
8 Feb 2013, 22:08 pm
@Robzim-355:
@Robzim-356:
dude, are you kidding me?
http://hollywoodundeadofficial.ning.com/profiles/blogs/heavyweight-frans-botha-vs-sonny-bill-williams-live-streaming-2
how many more flyers do you want to draw your attention too?
Kodder Nasser is slimy scumbag and his claims of understanding it to have been a 10 round bout all along and not knowing where people got the idea it was a 12 rounder from is larfable to say the least.
this was fixed by Sonny’s side, typical.
i think he truly may have wanted to beat him him in the ring believing himself to be a boxer but he is not a great boxer, clearly. when this did not happen for him the people invested in him stepped in.
at the end of the day its his reputation and he has to live with it for the rest of his life, just like the Kiwis do.
8 Feb 2013, 22:09 pm
@kaksioek-363:
Lets wait for the outcome of the appeal.
8 Feb 2013, 22:11 pm
@Robzim-364:
Further embarassing the sport is that no-one from the WBA was available for commment after the fight.
8 Feb 2013, 22:12 pm
@Robzim-364:
no Rob, he looked sheepish because the crowd was booing him, repeatedly.
and this when they had cheered for Botha after the announcement.
the shot he took to the head was incidental.
8 Feb 2013, 22:13 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-365:
SBW is obviously no great boxer- that s not the point- i just dont believe al this conspiracy theories.
If Botha takes it to appeal and you are proved right I will apologise to U.
OK?
8 Feb 2013, 22:13 pm
@Robzim-366: What faith should anyone have in the outcome of such an appeal? A boxing association that can allow the number of rounds to be changed during a world championship title fight – in contravention of its own rules – clearly has no interest in fairness or legitimacy.
8 Feb 2013, 22:15 pm
@Robzim-366:
Rob, how do you know that there is an appeal?
8 Feb 2013, 22:17 pm
@I am a stormer-367:
They certainly did themselves no favours. I long for the days of Ali, Sugar Ray and Lewis when boxing was still a sport – nowadays its all watered down with every Tom , **** an Harry being able to call themselves “professional boxers”.
8 Feb 2013, 22:17 pm
@Robzim-369: I want to ask you 4 simple questions:
1. Do you deny that it is in the WBA’s rules that all sanctioned bouts are scheduled for 12 rounds?
2. Do you deny that this fight did not in fact last 12 rounds?
3. Was either fighter disqualified?
4. Was either fighter unable to continue?
8 Feb 2013, 22:20 pm
@Robzim-369:
no worries, Rob
i doubt Botha will get justice though, for all sorts of reasons, so that’s pointless.
i’m just comfortable knowing Botha moered him and the fact they needed to fix the fight in order to save his arse will be there forever.
8 Feb 2013, 22:21 pm
@I am a stormer-371:
I read somewhere that the Botha camp is going to appeal. i just hope they do so that we can get at least some sort of clarity on this mess.
8 Feb 2013, 22:24 pm
@kaksioek-373:
of course he cannot answer these questions without proving himself wrong and you right, in so doing.
yes, the fight was fixed and yes Botha won it however you look at it.
8 Feb 2013, 22:28 pm
@kaksioek-373:
It is pointless for me to deny or confirm anything as i was not present and do not know what was conveyed to the 2 camps before the fight re the rules. Therefore I say lets wait for the outcome of the appeal- if there is no appeal then i will assume there was no “dirty play”
8 Feb 2013, 22:30 pm
On both the Telegraph and The Roar there are comments from people saying that Bet365 refunded their losing bets on Botha defeating Williams.
See for yourselves:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/newzealand/9857676/Sonny-Bill-Williams-fight-against-Francois-Botha-cut-short-by-two-rounds-as-former-All-Black-given-controversial-win.html
http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/02/08/sonny-bill-williams-vs-francois-botha-boxing-live-scores-blog/
8 Feb 2013, 22:32 pm
@Robzim-377: The officials could have told both camps that the bout would be fought for one round underwater in lederhosen – it makes no difference. You cannot change the rules on the fly.
8 Feb 2013, 22:34 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-376:
yeah Bakkies.
The problem is that if the Boks win all is OK for U , if the Bulls win all is OK, if Frans Botha wins all is OK…. but if the other party wins then there is either foul play, a conspiracy or cheating .
I try not to look at sport like that.
At least we dont call each other idiots
8 Feb 2013, 22:36 pm
I am out now… you guys must have a nice evening.
Hopefully the Stormers will beat Boland tomorrow, otherwise I will be devastated
8 Feb 2013, 22:42 pm
This is the most blatant example of trans-Tasman cheating since Bryce Lawrence.
8 Feb 2013, 22:47 pm
@Robzim-381:
cheers Rob
8 Feb 2013, 22:47 pm
@kaksioek-382:
in a way i feel sorry for them.
its sad really.
8 Feb 2013, 22:51 pm
whose them Bakkies?
so all kiwis are complicit In what happened are they? I see you’re back to your filthy cheating kiwis line.
that’s like saying all Saffas agreed with PDv and his comment about a World Cup next year and having to put bums on seats after a loss at Eden park.
pathetic.
8 Feb 2013, 22:54 pm
I asked earlier but no one answered
who were the judges, the ref and the officials?
what are their names?
their nationalities?
if every single one is a kiwi, then you my have basis in your degradation of all kiwis
if they’re not, well who knows then.
8 Feb 2013, 23:01 pm
@the curse-386:
SBW was always ahead on points.
Botha got on top at the end, but too little too late.
I don’t understand why people are attacking SBW.
He has always conducted himself in a humble manner and is a consummate professional since a young age, irrespective of what sport he plays.
He is a brilliant rugby player and anyone who says otherwise must be blinded by bias.
Anyway, just bear in mind not all SA rugby lovers hate the Kiwi sides and players, Jane I hope to believe the feeling is mutual.
8 Feb 2013, 23:01 pm
@the curse-385:
dont kid yourself in making believe this did not matter a lot to a lot of Kiwis.
sure there were some Ozzies who stood to lose too but i would venture it lay more with Kiwis thsn it did Ozzies.
forgetting how i feel for a moment.
how do you feel about all this, Pops.. honestly?
8 Feb 2013, 23:02 pm
@nortierd-387:
@the curse-386:
“Jane I hope to believe the feeling is mutual.”
And not Jane, don’t know where that came from, maybe watching SBW reminded me of Tarzan
8 Feb 2013, 23:03 pm
@the curse-386:
these are questions which surely need asking now, in the light of this clearly fixed and shameful event.
8 Feb 2013, 23:06 pm
@nortierd-387:
dont be a fool, Nortie
round 9 and 10 pretty much did it for him. a standing eight count? are you kidding me? no mntion on the missing rounds? its a larf really.
i dont think i’ve ever seen anything like this happen in my entire life.
8 Feb 2013, 23:08 pm
@the curse-385:
i’m sorry, i take back ‘them’.
but my feelings remain the same, in a way i feel sorry for all or most New Zealanders because of events like these.
8 Feb 2013, 23:08 pm
Sonny Bill Williams is no fighter, this sport of boxing is not his forte he better get out of it fast if he wants to save any credibility he might have left after that fiasco of a WBA championship bout.
His corner was probably giving him bad advice to stay out of trouble and try wear Botha out.. was the wrong advice,.. Botha was the one that got stronger as the fight wore on and Williams started getting hurt already in the 9th that why somebody with plenty money to lose decided to switch the bout duration to 10 rounds from a scheduled 12.
Williams had Botha in some discomfort in the 6th and 7th he should have followed through with some big hits earlier and he may have hurt Botha sufficiently earlier on and perhaps even inflicted a knock out.. but he looked decidedly uncertain of his capacity or convictions and was probably told to keep jabbing and stay out of trouble and try clinch the fight on points.
It turned out a bad strategy if he wasn’t strong enough to beat Botha legitimately through 12 rounds then effectively this fight should be declared null and void.. a totally setup rigged affair is the obvious deduction here.. just like the RWC 2011.
Bookmakers delight …bookies rule the roost in pretty much all sports these days.. none less so than boxing … and soccer … and cricket …and rugby too.
8 Feb 2013, 23:11 pm
@skopdiekan-393:
ja, there was a lot of money to be lost… and pride…
8 Feb 2013, 23:12 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-391:
Bakkies, if he was fighting someone else you wouldn’t have batted an eyelid.
But because it was against an All Black you are using it as your hobby horse.
Botha was groot bek before the fight and took SBW too lightly, to his detriment, and realized too late he had to do something.
Ten to one the whole thing was planned and a sham, who takes boxing seriously nowadays?.
8 Feb 2013, 23:12 pm
Gentlemen do not box.. if you got no killer instinct stay out of boxing else your reputation and your head are going to get hurt.
8 Feb 2013, 23:14 pm
@nortierd-395:
come on Nortie, put my well known dislike of Kiwi rugby aside and focus on the fight and the fight alone.
this was a sham, boet.
8 Feb 2013, 23:17 pm
how ironic that Sonny got into trouble tweeting that the Mundine fight was a sham fix.
he certainly felt strong enough in the courage of his convictions to make a public statement about it.
and now this haha
8 Feb 2013, 23:17 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-397:
Yes it was, as is most boxing matches.
Cooper, in his first fight gets top billing on TV, same a Flintoff, who looked like a giraffe on Prozac in his fight.
Boxing can’t compete with MMA type fighting, they have zero credibility left, so they stage **** like this as pay per view fights
8 Feb 2013, 23:22 pm
The fight was a bit of a handbag affair, no-one seemed to really want to stuff the other guy up
8 Feb 2013, 23:29 pm
@nortierd-399:
yip
agreed.
such a pity though.
@nikoli-400:
did you watch rounds 9 and 10..? ..
8 Feb 2013, 23:29 pm
Nortie I understand that boet. the Bok/AB rivalry is one that ill always want.
Bakkies – if it was indeed scheduled for 12 then it’s a disgrace
8 Feb 2013, 23:35 pm
@the curse-402:
agreed.
and a pity really because win or lose i would have respected Sonny if he went the full 12 and if Botha lost at the end i feel i would grudgingly have accepted that Sonny knew how to box.
it really is a pity.
8 Feb 2013, 23:40 pm
I see Botha wants a rematch in Capetown. A place I’m sure SBWs has a few fans too
could both camps have colluded for a bigger payday? rematch would sell a lot of PPV and live tix would be pricey as well.
just another angle
8 Feb 2013, 23:52 pm
@the curse-404:
nah, i dont think so.
he clearly wanted to knock him out in the 10th and was going for the win and the way Sonny was out on his? i really dont think that was acted.
8 Feb 2013, 23:54 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-405: or he deserves an Oscar
8 Feb 2013, 23:54 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-405:
Sonny was out on his? = Sonny was out on his feet?
also Sonny definitely wanted to knock him out earlier judging by some of his shots which did not land. no boet, he through everything into it and it took some doing from Botha to dodge it.
8 Feb 2013, 23:56 pm
through = threw
@shooter-406:
farken great acting if that’s the case.
best i’ve ever seen.
8 Feb 2013, 23:57 pm
whatever… whoever made that call is going to do some big explaining.
8 Feb 2013, 23:58 pm
big call for such a widely publicised event… mind :boggle:
9 Feb 2013, 00:02 am
if it was indeed 10 rounds. then the officials would’ve been available immediately….
You can’t HANDLE the Truth… hehe. Stuff up of Revelational proportions
9 Feb 2013, 00:03 am
didn’t see the fight unfortunately. they did show the last 20 seconds of the final round on the news he definitely rocked him with a good right then followed it up. SBW looked in big trouble.
9 Feb 2013, 00:04 am
it’s strange that people are saying IF the fight was reduced by two rounds…
in the break between 9 and 10 the Australian ringside announcers expressed their surprise and shock that the ref told the fighters and their corners that the fight was going to be cut by two rounds and would now end after the 10th round…
the Australian announcers asked why all the official promos for the fight had said 12 rounds and literally in the last minute it was reduced by two rounds by the ref …catching everyone by surprise…
sure we can’t speculate as to why the ref reduced the fight length and need to wait for an investigation ( by the press if not by boxing authorities) to find out what happened and why…
but anyone who has watched the fight AND listened to the commentary and still doubts whether and if the ref reduced the fight by two rounds is kidding themselves…
it is a fact that the fight was reduced from the advertised 12 rounds to 10… a fact apparently even printed on the fight programme…
it is a fact the ref informed the fighters of this between rounds 9 and 10…
9 Feb 2013, 00:04 am
Sonny Bill is an idiot to get sucked into this boxing business.. talented rugby players got no business trying to mix it in this dead end street very poor career choice whoever suckered him into this back alley sport did him no favors..
no one comes out of boxing smiling unless they are very strong and very savvy and know how to play the game and know they going to get severely hurt sooner or later.. he almost got his ego and his credibility and his entire image bust to smithereens if someone didn’t chuck in the white towel at the end of the ninth last night.
9 Feb 2013, 00:06 am
later Bakkies. things to do
cheers
9 Feb 2013, 00:07 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-408: this stuff is happening on a daily basis these days..
from the wordlwide soccer match fixing ring to this – a sideshow bob heavyweight bout…
its crazy… pulp fiction
9 Feb 2013, 00:09 am
@ufo-413: true. i used the same semantics… but you’re right… they said at least 4 times during the fight…. round 6 (ex) of 12…
big difference in: a bout of 12 rounds
and
about 12 rounds
9 Feb 2013, 00:10 am
@skopdiekan-414: i think it has already hurt his reputation…just
being in this contentious situation now
9 Feb 2013, 00:13 am
@the curse-412:
he was gone, Pops
no two ways about it, Botha moered him into a standing eight count in the 9th and as you saw in the 10th he was literally hanging onto Botha at the end and if he chose to push him off Sonny probably would have fallen over, his legs certainly couldn’t carry him.
9 Feb 2013, 00:15 am
@ufo-413:
the sad thing is this guy has to live with this for the rest of his life.
the only possible chance at redeeming himself is to fight him again and actually win it this time.
@shooter-416:
yip
more like pub fiction…
9 Feb 2013, 00:16 am
@skopdiekan-414: door wide open for chirps about ‘cheater left right and centre… and irony is… he probably had little to with it…
you have to have had like $100m or something to get the guy on the red telephone to scrape the last 2 rounds.
irony is, he was ‘ok’ to lose the fight, he said he’d want to win, obviously… but he did entertain the notion that he might lose…. so why this. the more i think about it.. of it was a fight between a Nepalese and Lebanese… who cares… the mere fact that sport can be overthown this blatantly is ongelooflik.
9 Feb 2013, 00:18 am
@skopdiekan-414:
agreed Sonny should never have picked this fight, if any fight at all.
but disagree that others cant come out of it with reputations and wealth intact.
case in point the Klitschko’s and Lewis.
9 Feb 2013, 00:19 am
@the curse-415:
cheers Pops
9 Feb 2013, 00:22 am
shooter@417
haven’t read through all the posts so didn’t intentionally repeat what you had said earlier… so no offence meant… just saw several posts questioning whether the fight was in fact reduced or that somehow we’ve all imagined this and the fight was always going to be a 10 rounder…
but happy to see we agree on the fact that the announcers were unequivocal in their expression that the fight was cut by two rounds and that they reported this as the ref was actually informing the fighters that the fight was being cut…
9 Feb 2013, 00:25 am
Sbw will take a lot out of this fight…he did well to stay on his feet in the last two rounds.He is a novice that went up against an experienced fighter and with more fights under his belt will improve.Is it worth it though?
9 Feb 2013, 00:26 am
@ufo-424: ja-no…. you made a good and clear point. we agree fully. no worries.
i mean. who is to say Sonny Bill wouldn’t have come out and knock out Buffalo Botha out in the 11th ….. so many ‘ifs’
9 Feb 2013, 00:28 am
@Te Rangatira-425:
only he didn’t stay on his feet in the last two rounds,TR
the last two rounds vanished rather mysteriously
we’re patiently waiting on an explanation.
and no, its not worth it.
he’s not a good boxer.
9 Feb 2013, 00:29 am
bakks@420
personally I don’t think it will taint sbw at all… if a guy scores a try from a forward pass no one suggests the guy is a cheat and most hardly remember the players involved…
everyone remembers that the ref and touch judges stuffed up by missing it…
so I think sonny’s honor is intact…
was lies in shreds is the myth of his boxing prowess… no big deal at all IMO… he’s a rugby player who moonlighted as a boxer…
he’s still a helluva good rugby player…
9 Feb 2013, 00:30 am
but he’s a great rugby player league or union.
9 Feb 2013, 00:31 am
Williams corner thought they could ride out the early points lead and coast home in 12.. they didn’t plan on Botha staying strong after 8.. then SBW walked into a solid right in round 9 and they panicked and somebody called for a early fixit get out of jail card.
Williams corner got it wrong they had too much respect for Botha and told Williams to stay well out of danger and play safe for point win…so even though Williams had Botha hurt once or twice through 6 and 7 he didn’t make any of it count and climb in for a follow through and let Botha into the fight through 8 and 9..
By 9 it was Williams in trouble who now got into deep waters he never been before and the old warhorse savvy kicked in in Bothas brain and body and he made Williams pay for his lack of conviction, heart and experience. Williams was hanging for dear life through the last 30 seconds.
I doubt he would have come out in the 11th if it weren’t called short.
9 Feb 2013, 00:32 am
shooter@426
hehehe
exactly…
sonny bill can just as easily claim he was robbed of a more creditable victory…!!
9 Feb 2013, 00:34 am
@Te Rangatira-425: i think Sonny wants out of boxing… asap…
this debacle made it a lot more difficult though (remembered by your last fight etc). Was all fun and games, but imagine him going up against a young and fit boxer.
Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, Sanders…. any other unknown contender with real boxing blood of about 25-30.
Nope…. i think he may be retiring soon in any case. he’s not wanting that grudge match.. he put in more punches, but i think he is feeling the effects 12 hours later….
9 Feb 2013, 00:35 am
@ufo-428:
disagree Ufo,
he’s a great rugby player and that’s where he should concentrate his time, skill and efforts.
but this will stick with him for a long time. he’ll always be the guy who needed two rounds cut to survive getting his arse handed to him by a 44 year old dutchie.
rugby or acting if where he belongs and if he wants to milk a big boxing payday then he could go against a big name boxer but whats clear is that either of the Klitschko’s for example would hurt the boy badly. so the question is who will they build him up to fight for a big enough paypacket, fixed or fair?
9 Feb 2013, 00:36 am
He’s a great athlete..but to become a good fighter you have to dedicate yourself full time….therefore Sbw will not become a top fighter….best to nip it in the bud now
9 Feb 2013, 00:37 am
@ufo-431:
huh..?
robbed by who..?.
9 Feb 2013, 00:38 am
@skopdiekan-430: they also probably thought sbw was fitter and wouldn’t last 12 rounds… turned out opposite…
i mean, after the fight went 6-7 rounds, it makes sense… if you’re super fit gymboy, you’re gonna outlast the 44 year old fat guy, aren’t you, aren’t you!?
9 Feb 2013, 00:41 am
The conspiracy theory going around is that the White Buffalo was suppose to take a dive in the 11th round..but during the fight he refused…so they pulled the plug in the tenth
9 Feb 2013, 00:42 am
436 – * thought Buffalo Spanner was less fit…
goes to show, don’t judge a Buffalo on its rump
9 Feb 2013, 00:43 am
@Te Rangatira-437: think i’ll have to forward that one to all the contacts on my mailing list :not:
9 Feb 2013, 00:45 am
bakks@433
of course you will bud…
and of course it will be remembered… but his rep is intact IMO…
bakkies got banned for several acts of thuggery but still enjoys the support of his fans… it never gets mentioned anymore…
sbw got into the ring in the toughest sport in the world and won… controversially maybe, but he won…
so why would this tarnish sbw’s career…? in a few months no one will remember or care…
9 Feb 2013, 00:46 am
@Te Rangatira-437: you don’t say… ” i’m not going down”…. you just don’t…. you knock out the other guy… see 416
9 Feb 2013, 00:48 am
@ufo-440: 80/20.
but its the 20% who knows, that matters, i think…. to guys that take it serious.
9 Feb 2013, 00:49 am
anyway… I thought it was quite an entertaining fight…
the buff proved to be quite a showman…
tomorrow’s another day…!
cheers all…
9 Feb 2013, 00:50 am
@ufo-440:
lets agree to disagree.
i think this stink will never leave him.
he’ll go on to do his thing in rugby but this will always be lurking somewhere.
————-
anyway,
i’m out for the night
cheers all
9 Feb 2013, 00:53 am
and before I go… big difference in playing hard/ dirty whatever we want to lable it… than being the centre of such an outrageous outside decision.
We’ll see what the spin is, whoever puts on this… it will take a couple of years though.
As far as a rugby player – his rep is probably in tact… until he proves otherwise in a ring, his boxing rep is extremely dubious – beacause you have to last the full fight…. enough said for now.
Cheers and g’nite
9 Feb 2013, 00:56 am
I reckon Williams has tasted enough of boxing to know now its a mugs game and he is going to want out.. but will his ego and the promoters let him out… how brave or stupid is he actually?
If he got any brains he gets out now.. in modern sport you cannot mix 2 disciplines as diverse as boxing and rugby.. one or the other has to go and Williams will be stupid if he thinks he can ride out on both ponies simultaneously.
Same goes for Cooper he got fed a bum this time next time they might send in a proper fighter and he also gets a taste of some bitter medicine.
9 Feb 2013, 01:25 am
chk..chk…BOOM!
9 Feb 2013, 01:53 am
Hollow victory, I agree, as whole fight turned out as farce with ridiculously tampered rules, but what about Botha landing “after the whistle” cheap hits all the time?
9 Feb 2013, 01:57 am
@TheTackler-447: Just another example of the keeeweees having the ref in their pocket.Cheats.
9 Feb 2013, 01:57 am
@ufo-440: It is irrelevant to matters of principle what the masses remember, forget or condone.
As in everything else in life, there’s also honour/dishonour in sport – even if only one honourable sportsman & one honourable spectator remains.
I felt robbed/conned watching that fight, & have through the years loved watching top quality boxing & have seldom (if ever) felt that way even when the judges’ decision was controversial – this fight was different.
I felt as robbed/conned as I was when the news of Hansie’s match-fixing shenanigans broke; at the time I felt robbed of credulity & innocence – I ended up wondering which famous victories & which abject defeats under Captain Hansie were fixed & which were authentic. I thought of the anticipation, time, excitement, euphoria, despondency, emotional capital & real money I had invested in watching cricket & considered myself a victim of his fraud.
Ditto for SBW’s past & future fights, & ditto for all bouts promoted by Khoder Nasser. I believe I’ll give those a miss in future.
9 Feb 2013, 02:07 am
@Angostura-450: PS: And if it transpires that Botha was in on this fight rigging, then I hold him in the same disdain as I do Nasser/SBW
PS 2:
The funny thing about honour is that if you’re dishonourable in one aspect of life, you’re probably dishonourable in others as well …
One cannot be just a little bit pregnant, ne?
9 Feb 2013, 02:41 am
Who is Khoder Nasser?
By Patrick McKendry
5:30 AM Saturday Feb 4, 2012
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10783252
(excerpts}
“Every circus needs a ringmaster and if Sonny Bill Williams is the most hyped and talked-about athlete New Zealand has produced, it figures that he has a manager like Khoder Nasser.
Most New Zealanders became acquainted with this enigmatic character two years ago after he started negotiations with the New Zealand Rugby Union on Williams’ behalf.
Their first look at him was probably on the television news when a bemused-looking Nasser was interviewed about what province and Super 15 side Williams would represent while he attempted to achieve his dream of making the All Blacks, with the ultimate aim of playing in the World Cup.
Nasser made great play of his being chauffeured around the New Zealand franchises by All Blacks assistant coach Wayne Smith. Smith denied it but there was no doubt the All Blacks coaches were keen to get their hands on the talented former league player who had the one thing you can’t coach: X-factor …
But of Nasser? Not so much is known. And that’s the way he wants it to stay.
Approached at a media session called to promote Wednesday’s bout, Nasser declined.
“Mate, if I give you an interview, everyone will want one and I’ll get smashed,” he said. “Smashed. It’s all about the show there,” he added, pointing to Williams who was beginning a training session in the ring.
Williams, too, was reticent, preferring to reveal his six-pack over his thoughts on his manager.
Asked whether Nasser was an interesting character, Williams said only: “Very interesting. He’s his own man. He’s a good bloke.”
When it was suggested that the kind of athlete/manager relationship seemed unusual in the sporting world, Williams added: “It probably wouldn’t work for everyone, but it works for me. Things have gone pretty good so far and I’d like to keep it that way, hopefully.”
It was hardly a ringing endorsement, but Williams – and Nasser – delight in keeping people guessing.
Nasser is unorthodox but gets results. The other sportsmen he represents – former league player turned light middleweight boxing champion Anthony Mundine, and Wallabies first five-eighths Quade Cooper – are just as polarising.
He was accused of exploiting Williams and persuading him to leave the Bulldogs soon after he signed a big-money deal due to a personal campaign against the club.
It has been reported Mundine paid A$750,000 on behalf of Williams to settle the contract row with the Bulldogs, but another school of thought suggests Nasser dipped into his own pocket – which is why the 26-year-old is so loyal to him.
Cooper’s decision last year to join Nasser’s stable raised more than a few eyebrows in the genteel world of Australian rugby.
To say the trio are his clients, though, could be overstating the case. He hasn’t signed contracts with any of them.
“If they’re not happy with me, why should they stay with me?” Nasser has told journalists.
It is said that he doesn’t own a computer. He certainly doesn’t employ any staff to help with administration. The multimillion-dollar operation is all run by a sharp business brain and ruthless negotiating style.
“The thing that I love about Khoder is that he’s ruthless,” Mundine told the Sydney Morning Herald in 2010.
“His No1 priority is his client and getting the best deal for the person he represents. He doesn’t care if he pisses people off. In fact, I think he loves it.”
Nasser has his roots in Tripoli. His grandfather moved from the Lebanese city to Sydney in 1950 and, according to the SMH, worked in a factory for 11 years before he had enough money for his family to join him.
Nasser told the newspaper even growing up as a second-generation immigrant, he felt like an outsider.
He graduated from Wollongong University with a bachelor of arts, majoring in economics and politics, but dropped out of a teaching master’s degree at Sydney University.
A devout Muslim, he famously met Mundine at the Sydney Cricket Ground in the 1990s and they clicked instantly (like Williams, Mundine has converted to Islam).
Managing Mundine was a role he fell into. At the time his work experience consisted of working at a pharmacy and a cafe.
Nasser was certainly a new experience for the NZRU, who are more used to dealing with the traditional agent, someone with a background in commerce and law. Most have several players on their books.
Chief executive Steve Tew has said Nasser is great to deal with because he is straightforward with no hidden agendas. But Nasser is so hands-on it is understood he demanded to know why Williams had been “dropped” to the reserves by Canterbury and had to be placated by coach Rob Penney in a busy Christchurch cafe.
He makes no apologies for making big decisions on behalf of Williams, Mundine and Cooper, saying it leaves them to concentrate on what they do best.
Cooper told the Brisbane Times: “The good thing about him is he tells it how it is. He’s not there to talk you up and tell you lies about how good you are or how good you aren’t.
“It’s all about trust. I don’t see him as a colleague, I see him as a mate. If you’ve got trust there, that’s enough for me.”
Nasser is big on respect and loyalty and is known to go from fury to charm in the space of a phone call.
He doesn’t do flashy, preferring modest clothes and an ordinary car. This week in Hamilton he was carrying a Chiefs-branded backpack.
He is married with children, the family home near his parents in Sydney. He is a fan of all sports – cricket, union, league, boxing, tennis.
But his favourite? It happens to be soccer. But not just any soccer. Teams who attack, who entertain. And his sporting hero? It is said to be Zinedine Zidane, the former France midfielder whose last act in an illustrious career was to headbutt an opponent in a World Cup final. “It’s about putting on a show,” Nasser says. “I love Brazil, Argentina, teams like that.”
The show. It could only ever be about the show.”
- APNZ
**
“THE SHOW. IT COULD ONLY EVER BE ABOUT THE SHOW”
Nasser’s Travelling Vaudeville?
G’nite
9 Feb 2013, 04:45 am
What a joke this guy has a couple of fights then goes up against an old pro, over the hill but never the less still as tough as they come and wins a wba belt, boxing at it’s best. On top of of this the round ends 10 seconds early and then we all di
scover that it will only be a 10 rounder. LOL.
9 Feb 2013, 05:51 am
@SteveWarren-4: Let me get this right…Botha’s manager knows before the fight that it will be 10 rounds but does not tell his boxer. Botha himself dogs it for 9 rounds then wakes up in the 10th. The Aussie crowd at the fight booed the decision. The fix was on between these fighters my friend and it had nothing to do with Australia.
…twat
9 Feb 2013, 05:56 am
@willievz-18: another crying saffa that has lost and will run home to mummy
9 Feb 2013, 06:00 am
So SBW moered the Buffalo. Vokkit: 97-91, 98-94 and 97-91. That is one moerse beating in anybody’s language.
Well done. There are a few more that you have to moer afa I am concerned.
Start with Bakkies 1 and Bakkies 2. If you are finished with them, give me a call. I can name a few more I want you to moer hard.
9 Feb 2013, 06:05 am
@Stawm-6: even Bothas manager agreed it was a ten rounder….so who is to blame….Botha because he’s too punch drunk and cant count or Bothas Manager who was probably betting against him..
anyone who takes these sort of circus’ seriously really deserves all the regret they encounter anyway.
9 Feb 2013, 06:06 am
@Fatflanker-454:
“The Aussie crowd at the fight booed the decision. The fix was on between these fighters my friend and it had nothing to do with Australia.”
You’re saying that the Aussie crowd believed that Botha should’ve won?
Really?
Did YOU watch the fight?
9 Feb 2013, 06:12 am
So Sonny Bill took some time of his major sport (rugby or whatever he plays nowadays) and moered this Botha guy 5-0, 5-0, 50, on average according to all the judges.
I just hope this is not a freakin premonition of what is going to happen in the S15 (Stormers will save us there) or the Championship!!!!!
9 Feb 2013, 06:18 am
Sonny Bill beating the White Buffalo
Must be the freakin joke of the year.
Maybe not….
Some people believing that the White Buffalo will beat Sonny Bill (in Aus nogal) is actually the joke of the year….
9 Feb 2013, 06:21 am
Oh dearestfuckpants. Folk still whinging about this?
As early as Tuesday a few of us were talking about a fixed fight (par for the course in boxing in any event) with a pre determined outcome, with the possibiity of a forced re-match (= triple the cost of media rights etc etc etc).
It’s a show people, a show……Think WWE meets MerylfuckingStreep in Out of Africa.
What is the big deal, and why the wailing? SBW proved he can box and Fransie proved he can still hurt people. Both made millions, and are set to make much more…. The end.
9 Feb 2013, 06:50 am
Haha
This thread has got some classics on it.
Whenever nz wins out comes the Bryce, paddy etc. Cheat calls
And so on. Then you have the dumbest of all posters complaining he was
Cheated out of an online game by a kiwi…….lol the authority loses at life
And an online game…… give up really.
Anyway botha lost and sonny won….. nz won S.A.lost.
Live with it biatches
9 Feb 2013, 07:30 am
I know he is supposed to be the White Buffalo but does he have to look like one.
9 Feb 2013, 08:01 am
@Angostura-452:
the boys at nzh need to get some geography lessons.
tripoli a lebanese city?
9 Feb 2013, 08:11 am
angostura
you say, “if it transpires that Botha was in on this fight rigging, then I hold him in the same disdain as I do Nasser/SBW”
it is interesting that you give frans the benefit of the doubt and insist of the presentation of evidence before you decide to judge him guilty and give him your disdain..
yet you don’t afford sonny bill the same privilege of any such courtesy… you seem quite happy to disdain him based on nothing more than conjecture and raw subjective emotion…
as you say… “The funny thing about honour is that if you’re dishonourable in one aspect of life, you’re probably dishonourable in others as well …”
9 Feb 2013, 08:13 am
Charo
Yeah, I noticed, & It surprised me as well
So I had checked & found to my astonishment there is indeed a Tripoli in Lebanon as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripoli,_Lebanon
Hahahaaa … there’s a Paris in Texas, & even a Parys in Seffrika…
PS: I can highly recommend the film, Paris Texas, if you have not yet seen it.
9 Feb 2013, 08:14 am
absolutely pedigree…
i think people are overreacting just a tad…
i said yesterday well before the fight that I believed it was going to be nothing more than a stage-managed pr event… which could still be entertaining…
nothing I saw makes me believe my original view was wrong…
boxing promoters have always ‘carefully picked’ their fighter’s opponents… especially in the formative stages of their careers… and boxing history is littered with the corpses of the sacrificial lambs fed to the up-and-coming talent…
to suggest sonny bill is somehow not an honourable person because of the fiasco of the length of the fight is crazy imo… but people are welcome to theirs too and if they see sonny with disdain, well that is their right I guess…
all this fight proved to me is that sonny ain’t the authentic boxer he and his handlers all believed him to be… and if he came up against a current contender he would lose badly…
so he should stick to rugby at which he is a bona fide star…
also interesting to see frans putting on a hulk hogan type persona and performance… perhaps there’s a clue in there…
9 Feb 2013, 08:17 am
for the record…
i admire and respect both sonny and frans… takes a lot of courage to get into a boxing ring under any circumstances… imo…
and i thought it was quite an entertaining fight… so i have no real issues with anything…
time to move on to super rugby…
9 Feb 2013, 08:17 am
@ufo-465: The DIFFERENCE is it has happened before in SBW/Nasser fights …
Australia TAB is refunding bets on the fight coz they say they’ve double & triple checked that it WAS a 12 round fight.
The case against SBW/Nasser is open & shut, clear cut, there for all with eyes to see … it IS their modus operandi
9 Feb 2013, 08:26 am
@ufo-468: well, there’s nothing to admire about fraud, whether one finds it entertaining or not …
imo
9 Feb 2013, 08:31 am
angostura
you’re entitled to believe what you believe… but you have presented no evidence of any wrong doing by sonny bill williams…
what you’ve described in the modus operandi for many or most in the boxing world in their formative fights…
promoters obviously pick opponents they believe their fighter can beat… the careers of promoters and fighters would be very short if they selected better opponents in those early stages of their careers…
even mike tyson was managed that way…
the old bop-tv used to show boxing on a sunday afternoon… just recent bouts from around the world… and these included the very early fights of tyson’s like his 4th, 5th and 6th fights etc before he was widely known… and even he was fed palookas that he could knock out with a single punch and build a record and a reputation…
that’s how boxing is… quite understandably imo… about picking fights they believe they can win on the ladder to becoming contenders for wc fights…
9 Feb 2013, 08:31 am
@Angostura-466:
oh, ok thanks.
my apologies to the nzh boys.
haven’t seen paris texas – will look out for it.
9 Feb 2013, 08:32 am
It was entertaining. I was surprised that WB was fit enough. SBW well conditioned and clearly trained hard. WB used his streetwise savy. There were real punches.
Now tell me: How does rigging work? I beat you on points in the first few rounds. And then you p**s me disnis the last few rounds. I wont fall, you hold me up. Then you dispute the outcome.
SBW was out on his feet. Dik gemoer by someone who over a whole career has faced the best heavyweights the business could offer.
SBW comes forward as a disciplined and very humble guy. (even more so straight after the fight
) I do feel sorry for him. Not nice to hear the boos.
Anyhow, if the rules state that a world title fight is 12 rounds (unless, unless) then those are the rules.
Rules were compromised. Outcome compromised. Finish and Klaar.
9 Feb 2013, 08:36 am
Fixed or not – both of these guys would get hammered by any of the serious heavyweights.
9 Feb 2013, 08:38 am
Sunni must out now before he ends up in the hospital
9 Feb 2013, 08:41 am
No boxer could’ve decked behemoth Buffalo
9 Feb 2013, 08:44 am
Check how much money they going to rake in with a re-match.
9 Feb 2013, 09:00 am
@ufo-471: “what you’ve described in the modus operandi for many or most in the boxing world in their formative fights…”
Really???
Many or most in the boxing world in their formative fights, contrary to the rules of the fights, have their fights curtailed midstream to save them from likely defeat?
Give me even ONE other example from boxing history other than a previous SBW/Nasser fight where this has happened.
Why in your riposte do you raise matters of picking fighters that are beatable, of the way boxers are managed, of building fighters on the way up the ladder to a world title fight? I did not rely or even mention any of these trite matters, unrelated to fraud. You are simply padding. This WAS an international title fight, & as such a 12 round fight. It was flagrantly & contrary to the rules of the bout curtailed midstream. That, & that only, is the essence … but you deal not with that? Why?
9 Feb 2013, 09:14 am
@charo-464: Tripoli, the second-largest city in Lebanon after the capital Beirut, lies some 85km to the north and was there about a whole millennium before the birth of *****! So there’s nothing wrong with their geography, pilgrim. It’s you who imagined that the only Tripoli is the one in Libya.
9 Feb 2013, 09:30 am
@@whistle@blower@-477: And therein lies the ‘answer’ to all those questioning the ‘last round’ call at 10, and not 12…..
Theatre. Nothing more…nothing less. But still more realistic than WWE….because whatever way you roll, the hits are real…and the blood is real….as are the wobby legs and exhaustion.
Folk take all this far too seriously as UFO has also said.
9 Feb 2013, 09:31 am
@TheTackler-479:
thanks so much tackles – angostura has already put me right.
you’ve been missing lately – nice to see you back.
9 Feb 2013, 09:47 am
angostura…
I’m padding…?
i brought up those facts to show that looking after their fighters is what promoters do… and to ask why you reserve your disdain for only sonny bill williams… who you have still not provided a single fact of any wrong doing or complicity… all you’ve offered are assumptions and opinions…
again… if you’d rather answer by instructing me not to bring up such things well… that is your right…
but you are not the moderator of keo as far as I know… not yet anyway… and I can bring any facts/thoughts/opinions to the debate that I feel like…
just as you’re entitled to deflect and ignore them if you can’t answer them…
you also state that… “This WAS an international title fight, & as such a 12 round fight. It was flagrantly & contrary to the rules of the bout curtailed midstream. … That, & that only, is the essence … but you deal not with that? Why?”
but I did indeed deal with that angostura… if you actually bothered to read what I wrote you would see the fallacy of your assertion…
in my post 413 I was quite clear that I thought the fight had been incorrectly curtailed…
I also said… “we can’t speculate as to why the ref reduced the fight length and need to wait for an investigation ( by the press if not by boxing authorities) to find out what happened and why…”
so while I’m prepared to wait for some clarity and facts as to what actually transpired you have decided that this is not necessary… again… that’s your right…
but I believe you are confusing two issues here… the length of the fight and sonny bill’s complicity in that…
I agree that the fight was incorrectly curtailed…
but I am not prepared to assume sonny bill was complicate in that decision and pour disdain upon him…
you may very well be correct… but I’d prefer to wait for a clearer more objective explanation before climbing on the trash sonny bill bandwagon…
I was making a general point about promoters looking after their fighters…
and not specifically about reducing the fight length… but you know this…
you however, are absolutely specific and state that this is the modus operandi of sonny bill and his promoter…
so could you please name the specific fights of sonny bill’s in which the rounds were reduced to gift him the wins…? for a modus operandi to be proved, you’d have to come up with more than one previous fight in which several rounds were cut allowing sonny to stagger through the final fighting round for an improbably win…
9 Feb 2013, 09:49 am
Reds lost to the Chiefs 20-8 last night and the Tahs lost to the Blues 40-36 this afternoon
SBW, with no amateur career whatsoever, and in his 6th fight inside a boxing ring, did better then many give him credit for.. Id like to see how he boxes after another 10 fights..
still very much a novice, and to push a seasoned pro who has fought world champions and had 60 odd fights, means he must have a modicum of talent.
jury is still out for me personally..
9 Feb 2013, 09:50 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-480:
indeed pedigree…
waaay too seriously…
_______
anyway… outta here for the day… thinks to do and then a rugby match to get too…
cheers all… have a great day…
cool chatting angostura…
9 Feb 2013, 09:52 am
@ufo-482:
News 24 has a story that the bookies were pissed because they’d had other SBW fights shortened and had pre checked that this was due to go 12 rounds.
The important question is, did both boxers know before the fight that it was a 10 round bout?
9 Feb 2013, 10:00 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-480: There may be theatrics in boxing, but boxing itself, unlike WWE/WWF, is not theatre … & this distinction is more than mere semantics.
Most, except I imagine the immature & intellectually challenged, recognise WWE/WWF for what it is – interactive theatre, where the spectator is as much (supporting) actor as the “combatants” are leading actors – WWE/WWF is arguably the mother of reality tv – that is not the case with boxing … even though it is tainted by fraud like many other sporting codes nowadays
**
BTW (anybody?)
do bookies accept bets on WWE/WWF bouts? Honest question – I do not know, but will be interested to know …
9 Feb 2013, 10:02 am
Australian National Boxing Federation (ANBF) committee member John Hogg has rubbished claims the decision to cut short Sonny Bill Williams’ controversial bout was made after the fight started.
However, the legitimacy of what was purported to be a WBA international heavyweight fight between Williams and South African veteran Francois Botha remains unclear.
Williams defeated Botha in a unanimous points decision on Friday night in Brisbane, but the former All Black copped a battering in the final round.
The fight, which was advertised and scheduled for 12 rounds as per WBA rules, was stopped after 10, drawing an angry reaction from Botha and jeers from the crowd.
Hogg says a last-minute decision to shelve the final two rounds was “unusual” but that it had been ticked off by officials after both camps agreed shortly before the fight started.
“Any suggestion that there was any decision made during the fight is just nonsense,” Hogg told Fox Sports on Saturday.
“Any claim that it was cut back to 10 during the fight to save Sonny Bill is just nonsense, we wouldn’t be party to that.
“Both parties told us it was cut back to 10 rounds, we had no time to try and check with the WBA to see if they were aware of what was happening.
“It wasn’t for us to stand up and say ‘we don’t agree, you need to fight 12′.
“It was a bit puzzling as to why it had been cut back to 10, but obviously both corners were in agreement.”
**i>It’s understood Botha’s management bizarrely failed to tell the 44-year-old it had been cut to 10 rounds.
Hogg’s comments are in stark contrast to The Australian newspaper’s report that ANBF vice-president Alan Moore, a ringside judge for the bout, had no idea it had been shortened to 10 rounds.
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Also, Alan Moore, a judge, is Australian, it must have been a kiwi fix for sure, like many here are asserting
I find it strange that both camps agreed to it being shortened, but that Bothas camp didnt tell the boxer himself?
9 Feb 2013, 10:07 am
I’m surprised that HG has not been on yet to tell everyone that the Sharks won their match against the mighty Leopards by 71 to 8.
Surely that is worth an almighty BOOM
Champions this year for sure
9 Feb 2013, 10:08 am
@the curse-487:
Surely there must have been a contract with the promoters stating the length of the fight and any option to change it?
Looks like everyone’s running for cover.
9 Feb 2013, 10:09 am
@nortierd-488:
Sorry, I see their is a thread about this
9 Feb 2013, 10:13 am
@nortierd-488:
I think he got arrested for masturbating in a public place at Kings Park.
9 Feb 2013, 10:18 am
David
yep. the blame and is in full swing
9 Feb 2013, 10:18 am
Of course its serious if a promoter like Nasty Nasrudien Nasterovia can bend WBA rules to protect his fighter then the entire sport has sunk below WWF standard and scruples. Means the engineered show is a pure setup circus and not more than that.
This relationship between Sonny Bill and Khomeini Nasser looks suspiciously similar to the Muhammad Ali – Elijah Muhammad one. Sonny Bill should get the fck out before he turns into a religiously indoctrinated pawn if it ain’t too late already.
I’m a little curious is Quade Cooper also converting to Islam like Mundine and Williams did
9 Feb 2013, 10:21 am
and = game
fcken predictive text
9 Feb 2013, 10:28 am
What happens to my money? Bet on a 12th round KO of SBW.
9 Feb 2013, 10:30 am
@David-491:
9 Feb 2013, 10:32 am
@Dilligafrican-495:
You may make a scene about it, if you have no further use for your knee caps.
9 Feb 2013, 10:45 am
@Dilligafrican-495:
The bookies are returning bets in Australia.
9 Feb 2013, 10:52 am
@cane-37:
Aussies and Kiwis knock each other out all day and every day but are blood twins when they’re up against the rest.
9 Feb 2013, 11:02 am
@J.B. Cowper-499:
Look no further than Kiwi reffing of Aus v Boks WC 2011 semi-final and the cowardly support of John Eales for Graham Mourie in the stitch-up of Bakkies Botha when SARU (and consciencea-appalled Warren Gatland) appealed his erroneous sentence for a legitimate tackle in Boks v Lions 2nd Test.
We won’t forget this.
9 Feb 2013, 11:07 am
@Angostura-486: re: WWE betting
OK, found an answer:
“Online sportsbooks offer WWE Betting as a promotional technique. Sportsbooks use a variety of promotional techniques such as reward programs and deposit bonuses, and WWE betting is just another promotional method.
By offering you the opportunity to bet on WWE, they’re basically allowing you to win money from them for free. They hope that once you’ve signed up and deposit, you start betting ALL of your sports there, and leave whatever sportsbook you are currently at.
Of course, if you’re wanting to bet on WWE, there’s a bit of a catch. I’m sure you’re wondering – why doesn’t Vince McMahon just book a huge upset, then bet $10 million on it at 5Dimes.com? Well what the sportsbooks do is limit the money you can win with WWE Betting.
The standard amount is $50. If you are betting an underdog, you can not bet more than $50 on him. If you are betting a favourite, you cannot win more than $50 ………… ” et seq.
http://www.casinoanswers.com/sports-betting/wrestling/can-you-bet-on-wwe.php
9 Feb 2013, 11:16 am
@J.B. Cowper-499: Please explain to me then how and why Bryce Lawrence blew the Aussies out of the game during their pool section loss to Ireland at RWC 2011?
9 Feb 2013, 11:17 am
See the latest is that Botha’s corner agreed to the reduction but failed to tell him?
It’s a laugh a minute
9 Feb 2013, 11:25 am
save it brumbiesboy
mr Cowper is firmly entrenched in the persecution theory.
you know, saffas would win more if the world and those nasty antipodeans weren’t against them.
9 Feb 2013, 11:29 am
in case anyone hadn’t noticed round 10 was also less than three minutes, they rang the bell before the full three minutes were up.
these munkees are a larf
9 Feb 2013, 11:30 am
poor Sonny boy.
anyway,
lots to do
cheers
9 Feb 2013, 11:33 am
They forgot to tell Botha, doesn’t surprise me look how the SARFU is run it sounds like something they’d do.
9 Feb 2013, 11:36 am
@the curse-487: and you believe him? why didn’t they inform the public? and why did zee buffalo’s trainer immediately in the aftermatch interview claim the opposite?
nah.. just accept it was a rotten affair.
9 Feb 2013, 11:39 am
@the curse-504: Yeah, I’ve picked that up in a lot of his posts in the past.
Simba chips factories on both shoulders.
9 Feb 2013, 11:41 am
shooter
where have I said it wasn’t a rotten affair?
the latest news coming out is that both camps agreed to shorten te fight before it started, going on those reports it sounds as if both camps were at fault.
unless the Aust boxing fed rep is blatantly lying, but I have no reason to believe he would?
but you stick with the whole Anzac conspiracy angle, it is after all the default option on this blog.
9 Feb 2013, 11:44 am
can’t wait for the rematch in Cape Town
both fighters have stated in post fight interviews they’d be open to holding a rematch there
to me suggests both sides were complicit in ensuring a wide television audience and premium ticket pricing for the rematch
lots of money to be made in any controversy.
9 Feb 2013, 11:47 am
@the curse-510: “…the default option on this blog”.
9 Feb 2013, 11:48 am
Pops what happened to the ANZAC conspiracy calls in 2009 we didn’t hear a peep, funny that.
9 Feb 2013, 11:49 am
@the curse-511: 100% correct.
And all the pay-TV stations have to do is build the cost into their next price increase…
It sucks.
9 Feb 2013, 11:53 am
It’s fun watching the Kiwis try to explain this away. Keep it up. Still a page has been turned: here we have cheating so blatant that it cannot be denied, merely ameliorated.
9 Feb 2013, 11:55 am
SBW actually has a good left jab but he has no combinations and he concentrated to much on going for the head instead of the body. I mean, there was so much of it, the body I mean. Why not wear Botha out by going for the body?
Botha doing his WWE stunt after the match was just as funny when he tried to get the people on his side after the result was announced.How he could think that he was the winner when he lost at least 7 out of the 10 rounds and was deducted a point as well, I do not fathom? I bet he was as drunk as a skunk last night having a hearty laugh at all the people stupid enough to take this fight seriously.
9 Feb 2013, 12:01 pm
@nama1-516: What really made me cringe was that stupid “shuffle” which looked like an attempt to toyi-toyi his way into the ring.
It’s a known fact that white men can’t toyi-toyi and I don’t know who he was trying to fool!
9 Feb 2013, 12:03 pm
kaksioek
no mention of bothas positive drug tests ? is that not also cheating?
Or is it different ?
9 Feb 2013, 12:07 pm
is this any more farcical them Botha retaining his world title after beating Axel Schultz with two positive drug tests?
someone explain that one please.
9 Feb 2013, 12:09 pm
@nama1-458: Not, I am not saying the crowd booed because Botha deserved to win – he was clearly outpointed. The booing was no doubt due to the announcement the fight was being concluded two rounds early and as Botha was starting to get on top, (and I think the booing was bl00dy poor form BTW). I also don’t think SBW was himself knowingly involved in any fix – his manager however is a jackal.
9 Feb 2013, 12:18 pm
@the curse-518: I’m no Botha fan, but just about every professional fighter has tested positive for a banned substance at one time or another. I’ll happily settle for them both being branded as cheats. I’ve never heard of anything as ridiculous as reducing a fight by two rounds on the night though. And don’t give me that garbage you posted earlier as an excuse. Lies, lies and damn trans-Tasman talk.
9 Feb 2013, 12:21 pm
what garbage? the insinuation that both camps agreed to it? just going on reports coming out now
thing is, we will probably never know the truth behind it all.
9 Feb 2013, 12:21 pm
@kaksioek-515:
Explain what away?
What I see is both camps agreed to 10 rounds and once again
Stupid south african management can’t get it right. Is all your sports like this?
And are most fans like yourself so much in denial that your need to blame others for your short comings?
I think that we all should really want for a full inquiry. … including myself, before doing too much judging.
9 Feb 2013, 12:23 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-517:
@Fatflanker-520:
Point taken.
Maybe the announcer should’ve told the crowd beforehand that it was agreed between the camps that the fight was reduced to ten rounds. Even the commentators was under the impression that it was going to be 10 rounds up until the 7th or 8th round.
The way the crowd positively responded to Botha’s WWE shenanigans, gave me the impression that they just did not like SBW and wanted him to get beaten up. I maybe totally wrong of course.
9 Feb 2013, 12:25 pm
we Anzacs are also responsible for global warming, Roswell, JFKs assassination, the global financial crisis and the plague
9 Feb 2013, 12:26 pm
@the curse-519: He was training in Oz and it was covered up?
9 Feb 2013, 12:28 pm
@Hurricane-523:
Somebody needs to go and read the rules:
http://wbanews.com/artman/uploads/1/WBA_Rules_adopted_in_Jakarta_10-30-12.pdf You can say whatever you like, but the only way that fight could be stopped two rounds early is if the referee determined that one of the fighters was unable to continue or one of them was disqualified. Neither of these two things happened. Botha was docked one point for late punches and Williams was docked one point for hanging on. I draw your attention to contest rule 2: Bout Duration. All sanctioned bouts shall be scheduled for twelve (12) rounds.
Each round shall be scheduled for three (3) minutes duration with a one (1) minute rest between rounds.
9 Feb 2013, 12:28 pm
dilligafrican
perhaps, maybe he just went to school in SA, apparently roids are rife in those places
9 Feb 2013, 12:29 pm
@nama1-524:
SBW is not the most liked person in Ozzie. ..it’s a fact
9 Feb 2013, 12:31 pm
It truly astounds me that anyone is willing to defend what happened here. I am gobsmacked.
9 Feb 2013, 12:31 pm
@the curse-528: Keith Richards school of natural abilities
9 Feb 2013, 12:34 pm
@kaksioek-527:
Again both camps agreed before the fight by the looks of it.
If you don’t like the way it was handled so be it. But the conspiracy angle has been over used by south africans.
9 Feb 2013, 12:35 pm
@Hurricane-529:
I’ve read about that. Wasn’t it about him abruptly leaving rugby league to go and play union in France, or something like that?
9 Feb 2013, 12:35 pm
@kaksioek-530: whose defending anybody? we’re just sick of all kiwis being labelled cheats etc because of something that the majority of us had no control over..
the only laughable thing is many Saffas have already labelled this a trans tasman conspiracy and as such every kiwi/aus is guilty of complicity after the fact.. its hilarious
@Dilligafrican-531: that man is amazing, Im sure he his body has seen more pharmaceuticals then Pfizer have manufactured…
9 Feb 2013, 12:35 pm
@Hurricane-532: I think you know that is a lie, but if it makes you happy – so be it.
9 Feb 2013, 12:36 pm
How’d the kiwis go in the T20?
9 Feb 2013, 12:39 pm
@kaksioek-530:
Well you seem to have already made your mind up about nz and Ozzie cheating yet you find it hard to believe or even want too believe that botha managers may have agreed to 10 rounds.
9 Feb 2013, 12:39 pm
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/sonny-bill-williams-spared-a-pounding-as-title-fight-is-called-off-early/story-e6frg7mf-1226574278861
Vice-president of the Australian National Boxing Federation and ringside judge for the bout, Alan Moore, revealed none of the three judges was informed of the early finish to what was scheduled to be a 12-round contest, which Williams won with a unanimous points decision.
“When the ring announcer said over the loud speaker that it was the last round, that was the first we knew of any change,” Moore told The Australian.
“Any international title fight is meant to be fought over 12 three-minute rounds. I have no idea what happened.
“Sonny was in more trouble than the early settlers there at the end of the 10th. Botha came back out of nowhere and Sonny was hurt and struggling to stay up.”
“I don’t think there is much doubt there is going to be a bit more said about what happened though.”
9 Feb 2013, 12:40 pm
@Dilligafrican-536:
We got smashed by 40 runs.
Englanders 214.
NZ a lot less.
9 Feb 2013, 12:40 pm
@Dilligafrican-536:
Mate we got beaten easily. Dropped 5 catches in 20 overs ….. pathetic.
9 Feb 2013, 12:41 pm
@Dilligafrican-536: lost by 40 runs, in a T20 match..
to be expected, the Blackcraps are still settling down from the euphoria of being the worst team to tour SA yet the first team to come home from there winning any kind of series..
world cricket is not strong at the moment though
9 Feb 2013, 12:43 pm
@the curse-525: And also for influencing the Devil “to make Hansie do it”.
9 Feb 2013, 12:44 pm
@kaksioek-535:
No I don’t know it is a lie but what I do know is you are too quick to label us cheats and then say all boxers take drug enhancers….. like it’s ok lol
9 Feb 2013, 12:44 pm
Botha was just filthy in the Ring.
To call this prick a “sportsman” is like calling HG ballanced.
9 Feb 2013, 12:44 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-542:
9 Feb 2013, 12:46 pm
@cane-544: nah, he wasnt filthy, he “beat him hands free”
thats boxing talk for elbows and cheap shots after the bell
9 Feb 2013, 12:49 pm
@the curse-546:
Nice post of yours concerning the “arm bands”.
“Justice for Botha”.
9 Feb 2013, 13:05 pm
So, if John Hogg is telling the truth (seems likely as he must surely know his statements will be tested if there is an appeal) , SBW was not protected after all, there goes the conspiracy theory out of the window.
Seems like the Buffalo got moered and he has a useless management team that did not inform him about the decision to shorten the fight, or they did inform him but he did not listen, or he is lying…… bla bla bla
9 Feb 2013, 13:15 pm
@Robzim-548: John Hogg is “an Australian National Boxing Federation (ANBF) committee member”.
Alan Moore is vice-president of the Australian National Boxing Federation and was one of three ringside judges for the bout, and he says that none of the three judges was informed of the “early finish”.
You are just being an idiot now.
9 Feb 2013, 13:25 pm
@kaksioek-549:
I am very tempted to call you a sour bitter loser just like u usually are when the sharks lose.
The fact that the judges were not informed is certainly unprofessional but it still does not mean that the 2 camps did not agree before the fight to reduce the rounds. The judges role is only to score the fight per round and nd it makes no difference whether the fight is over 10 or 12 rounds.
As I said last night, lets wait for the appeal before we make wild unfounded allegations of corruption and of SBW’s being protected or of rounds that suddenly just “dissappeared” to protect a fighter.
9 Feb 2013, 13:31 pm
@the curse-510: your answer…… “but you stick with the whole Anzac conspiracy angle, it is after all the default option on this blog”
i’ve posted about 20 comments on this issue… you obviously dont read that well. your answers are just a general dig at anyone who makes a comment. you must try and address each blogger according to their stated views. or in the end, you’re just the same as every other stereotyping blogger here. well. actually, i dont really think anything of you… except that you try too hard.
its not a conspiracy… just blatant circumvention of the rules
9 Feb 2013, 13:39 pm
Blatant money racketeering setup no two ways about it the New Elijah Muhammad Nasser Khomeini stable boy was going down in no uncertain terms and rather than throw in the towel at end of the tenth Nasrudien Abba Moosa Don Khomeini decided enough was enough shorten the bout and get the fck outa there before any further blood money credibility along with his budding golden boys boxing career gets blown skyward to smithereens.
9 Feb 2013, 13:39 pm
Found Tac
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QJMF7AqUv8Q
9 Feb 2013, 13:46 pm
@shooter-551: is it circumvention though, apparently BOTH camps agreed BEFORE the fight to it being 10 rounds..
now someone is lying, is it Bothas manager who forgot to tell his fighter, or is it SBW’s manager?
so I dont know if its “blatant circumvention” if BOTH parties agreed to the changes, if that is indeed the case..
cant be much simpler than that.
9 Feb 2013, 13:52 pm
so why all the other digs?
9 Feb 2013, 13:52 pm
@the curse-554:
Brisbane – A regional boxing official has criticised organisers of Sonny Bill Williams’ title fight, saying they have “defrauded” the Australian public.
The WBA international heavyweight title fight between the former All Blacks star and South African veteran Francois Botha ended with Williams receiving a unanimous points decision. But the fight ended after 10 rounds, instead of 12, as per WBA rules and as had been advertised.
WBA Oceania representative Brad Vocale said he had doubts as to whether the fight was ever sanctioned by the WBA and that “sadly, boxing has been given a black eye again
Many fans at the Brisbane Entertainment Centre booed the decision, believing Botha had won.
On Saturday, some bookmaking agencies refunded bets on the fight and Botha, 44, challenged Williams to a rematch.
Well staged “fight”. Make a double payday from it.
9 Feb 2013, 13:56 pm
anyway. i’m off. we’ll see what transpires. the last thing to say….. everyone was a loser on the day …the public, the boxers and everyone.
but there will probably be some signed piece of paper to confirm the ‘agreement’…. that – the promoter’s words- also still to be confirmed…
someone will propose a commission of investigation
9 Feb 2013, 14:04 pm
Shooter – my “digs”? you mean in relation to posts like the following? excuse me for thinking that one is inncoent until proven guilty….
500.J.B. Cowper said:
9 Feb 2013, 11:02 am
@J.B. Cowper-499:
Look no further than Kiwi reffing of Aus v Boks WC 2011 semi-final and the cowardly support of John Eales for Graham Mourie in the stitch-up of Bakkies Botha when SARU (and consciencea-appalled Warren Gatland) appealed his erroneous sentence for a legitimate tackle in Boks v Lions 2nd Test.
We won’t forget this.
449.snivelling little kiwi pricks said:
9 Feb 2013, 01:57 am
@TheTackler-447: Just another example of the keeeweees having the ref in their pocket.Cheats.
521.kaksioek said:
9 Feb 2013, 12:18 pm
@the curse-518: I’m no Botha fan, but just about every professional fighter has tested positive for a banned substance at one time or another. I’ll happily settle for them both being branded as cheats. I’ve never heard of anything as ridiculous as reducing a fight by two rounds on the night though. And don’t give me that garbage you posted earlier as an excuse. Lies, lies and damn trans-Tasman talk.
515.kaksioek said:
9 Feb 2013, 11:53 am
It’s fun watching the Kiwis try to explain this away. Keep it up. Still a page has been turned: here we have cheating so blatant that it cannot be denied, merely ameliorated.
9 Feb 2013, 14:15 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-502:
Thought Ireland played heroicly well in that game mate and deserved to win – can’t comment on reffing of Lawrence because haven’t studied it and never will – although Bryce is on record as saying average of 7 mistakes a game per ref is not uncommon but against Boks he made 37 or so.
Answer to your question – Irish in NZ might run deeper than Aussies – maybe they unite just against SA … in between bashing each other out; but they do join forces and honesty, principle and fair play gets jettisoned out the window in favour of looking after each other.
9 Feb 2013, 14:34 pm
Keo has struck another gold mine for okes to whinge for weeks.
9 Feb 2013, 14:40 pm
So both camps agreed to 10 rounds?
Botha’s trainer, Hardy Mileham, was shocked to see the bout shortened – a decision that was seemingly made during the contest.
“The fight was scheduled for 12 rounds, and in round number 10 he (Williams) was in danger,” Mileham said.
9 Feb 2013, 14:55 pm
poor Kiwis
9 Feb 2013, 14:58 pm
J B you are clueless when it comes to the NZ Aus sporting relationship if you think we support each other on the sporting field you are just plain wrong, yes when the time to renegotiate the SANZAR agreent comes around double team your inept spineless administrators but who wouldn’t.
9 Feb 2013, 15:06 pm
i certainly could have sworn it was rung more than ten seconds early
shame:
A week where the integrity of Australian sport has been questioned like never before ended in folly in Brisbane, even by boxing’s lofty standards.
but the bizarre, controversial and confusing finish to the heavyweight bout between Frans Botha and Sonny Bill Williams will take some digesting and quite possibly, serious investigations.
Williams was quite correctly declared the points winner after 10 rounds. The problem is most people – including Botha and at least two of the ringside judges – thought it was scheduled for 12.
It was a good thing for the Sydney Roosters star, who dominated all but the final two rounds with his snappy jab but was in genuine trouble towards the end of the 10th as Botha turned it into a street fight, punching on the retreat and landing some heavy blows, some of which weren’t legal.
Botha was deducted a point as Williams held on and tried to survive. In the end, the six-fight pro was saved by the bell, which was reportedly rung as much as 10 seconds early. Late last night, amid backroom screaming matches between rival camps, nobody had any answers.
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/thomson-reuters/130208/rugby-sonny-bill-under-fire-after-shortened-boxing-bout
9 Feb 2013, 15:10 pm
“I’ll probably have a lot of people bagging me out there but my mum and old man are proud of me.”
that’s right Sonny Boy
your mum and old man certainly are proud of you
9 Feb 2013, 15:12 pm
Bakkies you can moan for years now you must be thrilled.
9 Feb 2013, 15:15 pm
Angry scenes after controversial Sonny Bill Williams victory
Many among the crowd and media contingent were surprised when in the 10th round the ring announcer said over the public address system there were only 90 seconds to go in the fight.
There were even suggestions that the final round was 15 seconds short.
(thats more like it, i too thought the bell went about 15 or so seconds early)
Pressed again about the time keeping in the final round, he (Nasser) said: “Who’s got the belt, mate. See you later.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10864341
9 Feb 2013, 15:16 pm
this poll from the nzherald:
Do you think Sonny Bill Williams legitimately won his boxing match against Francois Botha last night?
5050–5100 votes
Definitely. Even if the fight had extended to 12 rounds SBW would have won it. 8%
8%
Debatable. We’ll never really know. 33%
33%
way. Francois Botha was just warming up. SBW would have been out for the count if the match was 12 rounds. 59%
9 Feb 2013, 15:16 pm
Keep moaning you do your country proud.
9 Feb 2013, 15:19 pm
18 hours of moaning everyday.
9 Feb 2013, 15:19 pm
Rugby-Sonny Bill under fire after shortened boxing bout:
MELBOURNE, Feb 9 (Reuters) – Former All Black Sonny Bill Williams’s boxing career plumbed a new depth of farce on Friday when he claimed a controversial victory over a middle-aged South African who had him on the ropes before the bout was cut short by two rounds.
The 27-year-old was in trouble at the end of his sixth professional fight in Brisbane against 44-year-old Francois Botha, and jeers rang out from the crowd when he was announced winner after 10 rounds.
The abbreviated fight was slammed by bookmaker TAB New Zealand, who refunded “pick the round” bets on the fight.
“We went to great pains to double check and triple check that it was 12 rounds because (in) a Sonny Bill fight this has happened before,” TAB New Zealand bookmaker Mark Stafford, whose agency refunded ‘pick-the-round’ bets, told New Zealand radio on Saturday.
“So we’re pretty annoyed about it.”
Stafford said his agency had taken bets on three of Williams’s six professional fights, with two of them shortened without anybody knowing. He added that they were doubtful about opening another book with the rugby player.
Australian bookmaker Sportingbet Australia said it would refund all bets laid on Botha in a post on their Twitter account on Saturday.
Disgruntled fans took to social media pages to slam the bout as a sham, and demanded broadcasters refund the pay-per-view fees for the fight.
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/thomson-reuters/130208/rugby-sonny-bill-under-fire-after-shortened-boxing-bout
9 Feb 2013, 15:20 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-565:
Bakkies,something i want to ask you.
Have you ever been to New Zealand and/or Australia and socialised with some of the locals. Perhaps on a beach, or in a pub, restaurant, sports event , seminar, workshop, theater….. or anywhere else?
I am just curious to know.
9 Feb 2013, 15:20 pm
7 days a week
9 Feb 2013, 15:21 pm
“If you work an 8 hour day tomorrow, work just six. If the boss asks you why, say its the #SBW clause,” one Twitter user said in a post.
#theSBWclause
9 Feb 2013, 15:23 pm
Yer but Bakkies you moan every single hour you are awake
9 Feb 2013, 15:26 pm
You and the tax inspector the two guys to avoid at a party, constant moaning about the same subject.
9 Feb 2013, 15:26 pm
Bookmakers refund bets on Sonny Bill Williams’ controversial boxing win:
ANGRY bookmakers have refunded bets on Sonny Bill Williams’ controversial boxing win, attacking the former All Blacks star for his track record of shortened bouts.
The WBA international heavyweight fight between Williams and South African veteran Francois Botha ended in a unanimous points decision on Friday night.
But the fight, which was advertised and scheduled for 12 rounds as per WBA rules, was stopped after 10, drawing an angry reaction from Botha and jeers from the crowd.
Williams, who copped a battering in the final round, tweeted on Saturday that both camps knew it was a 10-round affair.
Botha disagreed and the 44-year-old is expected to protest the result with the WBA, saying Williams would be a “coward” if he does not accept a rematch.
There has been no official explanation for the early ending.
When pressed on Friday night after an angry Botha reluctantly retired to the dressing room, Williams’ manager Khoder Nasser hinted that they cut it short after the big South African delivered several blows to the back of his client’s head.
AND LETS NOT FORGET THE FIFTEEN PLUS SECONDS CUT SHORT ON WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A THREE MINUTE DURATION IN THE TENTH ROUND
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/boxing-mma/new-zealand-bookmakers-refund-bets-on-sonny-bill-williams-controversial-boxing-win/story-fndn16fm-1226574396162
9 Feb 2013, 15:27 pm
There you go again, your poor wife and kids.
9 Feb 2013, 15:29 pm
@Robzim-572:
i do not dislike the people, per se, Rob
its the way they go about ‘competing’
its disgusting
9 Feb 2013, 15:29 pm
Go to go Bakkies, enjoy your moaning until you go to bed.
9 Feb 2013, 15:31 pm
Bakkies
bothas a drug cheat, something rampant in SA sporting circles.
I find it very hypocritical that many Saffas are now on the Aussie sports shame bandwagon when the same type of thing is prevalent in your sports.
use it, don’t use it.
let he who is within sin cast the first stone huh?
9 Feb 2013, 15:31 pm
TAB head bookmaker Mark Stafford says it’s very poor and they want an explanation because they were told it was 12 rounds.
“Absolutely it was. In fact we went to great pains to double check and triple check that it was 12 rounds because (in) a Sonny Bill fight this has happened before so we’re pretty annoyed about it.”
Stafford says it’s bizarre timing after the Australian Crime Commission’s report into doping and match fixing in sport.
“God their timing couldn’t have been worse could it, with all the news that’s coming out of Australia the last few days but I’m a boxing fan, point number one and I’m a Sonny Bill Williams fan as well and I just hate what this has done for boxing and for Sonny Bill.
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/spspo/1129812325-tab-want-explanation-over-controversial-sbw-bout
9 Feb 2013, 15:34 pm
A WBA official has accused the Sonny Bill Williams camp of giving boxing a black eye in the aftermath of the controversial bout against Francois Botha on Friday night.
WBA Pan Asian Boxing Association member Brad Vocale cast doubt over the validity of the fight and Williams’ credentials to fight for an international title.
Williams won the fight in an unanimous points decision after the fight was shortened to 10 rounds, down from the customary 12 rounds.
WBA Pan Asian Boxing Association member Brad Vocale cast doubt over the validity of the fight and Williams’ credentials to fight for an international title.
Williams won the fight in an unanimous points decision after the fight was shortened to 10 rounds, down from the customary 12 rounds.
http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-Sonny-Bill-Williams-wins-by-decision-against-Francois-Botha/tabid/415/articleID/286169/Default.aspx
AND LETS NOT FORGET ABOUT THE FIFTEEN PLUS SECONDS WHICH DISSAPEARED FROM ROUND TEN…?..
9 Feb 2013, 15:36 pm
Boos drowned out Sonny Bill Williams despite the code hopper technically claiming the biggest scalp in his fledgling boxing career in Brisbane on Friday night.
The fight appeared to be cut short, with the commentators also in the dark expecting a 12 round fight, yet the referee calling the fight over after 10 rounds – with Williams hanging on for dear life and looking like he’d be knocked out with ease should the fight have gone across the expected 12 rounds.
Former All Black Williams (6-0) somehow emerged a unanimous points winner in his WBA international heavyweight title fight with Francois Botha (48-9) despite appearing to have been trampled by the South African bruiser dubbed The White Buffalo.
Botha, 44, showed all the experience that had led him to world title fights with boxing’s who’s who, including the likes of Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield.
Yet despite battering Williams throughout their 10-round bout, Botha suffered the ninth loss in his 60 pro fights – much to the disgust of the packed Brisbane Entertainment Centre crowd.
http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-Sonny-Bill-Williams-wins-by-decision-against-Francois-Botha/tabid/415/articleID/286169/Default.aspx
FIFTEEN SECONDS SONNY… FIFTEEN SECONDS…
9 Feb 2013, 15:37 pm
@NZINCHINA-580:
chees China
9 Feb 2013, 15:39 pm
OXING;Botha Tests Positive Again
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A second urinalysis test of the International Boxing Federation heavyweight champion Francois Botha has come back positive for steroids, the federation announced today.
A hearing will be held within two weeks by the I.B.F. Championships Committee to decide whether the South African will be stripped of the title he won by decision over the German Axel Schulz on Dec. 9 in Stuttgart, Germany.
Results from an initial test taken after the fight and done in Cologne, Germany, had come back positive for the steroid nondrolon. The second test was performed Thursday at the U.C.L.A. Olympic laboratory in Los Angeles.
known drug cheat should have been expelled from the sport.
9 Feb 2013, 15:39 pm
@the curse-581:
you need to stfu about doping before it comes back to bite you in the arse, Pops
World anti-doping authority boss says revelations rocking Australian sport are reason to take closer look here
The head of the World Anti-Doping Authority believes New Zealand sports bodies have to take a closer look at their operations in the wake of the Australian Crime Commission’s findings.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10864327
9 Feb 2013, 15:40 pm
Although New Zealand’s professional sporting franchises and organisations have rushed to distance themselves from the Australian controversy, Wada director-general David Howman said it would be naive to assume the same could not happen in New Zealand.
“I think the attitude will change as a result of this, I don’t think there’ll be too much of a laissez-faire sort of approach, or the attitude that we’re the good guys and everyone else is bad.
And I hope New Zealand has the same sort of outlook and checks that there is nothing like this going on in New Zealand.
9 Feb 2013, 15:41 pm
DFSNZ are already involving outside agencies. They have a memorandum of understanding with Customs as part of a greater push towards investigation rather than testing as a means to catching cheats.
Steel said he would be talking to Asada officials to see if there is any evidence of illegal distribution of peptides in New Zealand.
“We’ll be wanting to talk to our counterparts to find out whether we are missing those clues in New Zealand.
9 Feb 2013, 15:42 pm
Howman admitted the testing programmes need to be much more sophisticated.
“Some of the results have been pathetic over the last two years. There were 36 EPO cases in 2010, and 47 cases in 2011. That’s just abysmal when you know EPO is the most prolifically used cheating substance.”
9 Feb 2013, 15:42 pm
Bakkies
your country has been doing it for years, yet you blindly ignore this
you need to fix your own steroid culture first
it reeks
but then, I imagine it that ingrained in SA sport that it would be impossible to eliminate
9 Feb 2013, 15:43 pm
Peptides
Peptides increase the amount of human growth hormone in the body with fewer side effects than anabolic steroids. They have been described as the “new generation” of performance-enhancing substances because the drug often stays active in the body for only a short time, making detection more difficult.
9 Feb 2013, 15:44 pm
have you been sitting on those articles all day just waiting to post them?
hahahaha how pathetic
9 Feb 2013, 15:44 pm
Fans: SBW, Botha fight ‘fixed’
2013-02-08 14:50
South African sports fans have cried foul after the Sonny Bill Williams versus Francois Botha fight ended under controversial circumstances.
Have your say! Send your thoughts to Sport24.
A majority of Sport24 readers believed the fight was rigged after the fight was reduced by 2 rounds by the referee, just as Sonny Bill Williams appeared to be in serious trouble during the fight.
GALLERY: Sonny Bill Williams v Francois Botha
VIDEO: Sonny Bill Williams v Francois Botha – highlights
Cut short from the original 12 rounds to 10, Williams looked in control for most of the fight, with more of his punches making contact, however in the 10th round Williams looked to be in serious danger of being knocked out.
Francois Botha was furious with officials after the decision was made to shorten the bout, with the 44-year-old looking to have worn out Williams by the end of the 10th.
Botha’s trainer, Hardy Mileham, was shocked to see the bout shortened – a decision that was seemingly made during the contest.
“The fight was scheduled for 12 rounds, and in round number 10 he (Williams) was in danger,” Mileham said.
Here’s what Sport24 readers had to say:
“Why was it reduced…SBW was busy getting (beaten up) in the 9th that’s why. What a joke.” – lionel.kemm.9
“Agree, Botha had him in rounds 9 and 10 and pretty boy would not have lasted 11 rounds.” – Piksteel
“This was a waste of time. Why even bother to schedule a boxing match if it was rigged before hand? Why reduce the rounds as soon as SBW is flat on his feet? Once again the bookies smile after paying off a couple of officials. It seems like it is not only doping that is currently big in Australia but match fixing as well! Australian sport and their officials are a disgrace.” – johannes.m.villiers
“As I asked before the fight: ” What are the chances of this fight NOT being fixed?” – squeegee.pilot
“I agree that based on the 10 rounds fought, SBW won! However, it was supposed to be 12 round, and was reduced only when SBW started taking a few klaps!” – grant.callaway
“It was a sham, SBW is the worst heavyweight boxer I have seen. What a farce!” – fanie.viljoen.73
“Botha was robbed. He never was in trouble and he was pacing himself for 12 rounds. This is called “a home town decision”. I do hope the boxing authorities will take the necessary action!” – andre.van.deventer16
“The fight was scheduled for 12 rounds and SBW was in deep trouble by round 9. The fact is it was rigged!” Avd16
“It was shocking. Rigged for sure. Remember how good the Aussies were at under-arm bowling when things weren’t going well on the cricket pitch? Shameful.” – Lanthe.J
“Was Bryce Lawrence reffing?” – justin.m.wiles1
“Less hugging, more boxing Sonny.” – joe.co.za
“Duckworth-Lewis system in boxing? WTF!” – Liam
“SBW was scrumming more than he was punching. The ref should have deducted a further point during the last round. Botha tried really hard to box in the last two rounds but SBW kept on CROUCHing, TOUCHing, HOLDing but not ENGANGING…” – Hansie Crook
“Even the commentators were baffled that the fight were shortened…” – elroy.felix.50
“Stupid… this just proves one thing… SBW is no boxer…” – janniedewetwich
“Um Botha had SBW dancing and the the ref decided to change from 12 to 10 rounds… Everyone is flabbergasted… 1 more round and Botha would have sent him down… Plus the ref allowed clinching after warning SBW about 5 times…” – Peter.J.G.Swart
“Botha should ask for a re-match. I strongly believe this match was fixed to create more hype on SBW’s boxing career and more mooola.” – HC
“The outcome was set-up. Botha should’ve gone out and finish the fight in six rounds, but he decided to play games – talking, standing still to get punched… Botha is as much a joke as SBW.” – Tiaan Libenberg
http://www.sport24.co.za/MySport24/Fans-SBW-Botha-fight-fixed-20130208
9 Feb 2013, 15:45 pm
parents in your country even encourage steroid use
eish.
9 Feb 2013, 15:47 pm
Oh THE IRONY
:
Sonny Bill Williams has apologised for his emotional tweet last night accusing the judges of being “corrupt” after his good friend Anthony Mundine lost a unanimous points decision to world champion Daniel Geale in their IBF middleweight title fight in Sydney.
Williams tweeted a pic of him with Mundine after the fight, with the words: “Hanging out with @Anthony_Mundine celebrating a victory. We don’t pay attention to corrupt judges!!”.
But Williams today tweeted an apology, saying emotions were running high last night.
“Sorry about the tweet last night. Emotions were running high just very disappointed for my brother and that’s how I saw the fight,” the former All Black posted on Twitter.
“No disrespect meant to Geale he’s a great champion-fighter and it was a great night.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/8245211/SBW-apologises-for-corrupt-judges-tweet
9 Feb 2013, 15:48 pm
well done on posting the many crying saffa posts. it reminds me of a Sunday after a test match
9 Feb 2013, 15:49 pm
No doubt, had SBW won in 12 rounds or with KO, Bakkies would find something else Kiwi-related to moan about all day long. He just can’t help it.
9 Feb 2013, 15:49 pm
Sneaky Sonny steals victory:
In a controversial fight between the rugby-league player/boxer Sonny Bill Williams and Francois ‘White Buffalo’ Botha, the result came down to points and the decision was unanimous in SBWs favour.
The controversy however started when the match referee inexplicably announced the final round at the start of the 10th in which was touted as a 12 round fight. At this stage the rugby superstar was bleeding from the nose and looking the worse for wear. In the 10th round Botha was all over Williams like a bucket of deep fried chicken. The 27 year old Williams kept on hanging onto the 44 year old South African in attempt to run down the clock and avoid a knock-out, a point was deducted, but at this stage he knew he was already far ahead on points.
http://www.sportpulse.net/content/sneaky-sonny-steals-victory-6882
WHERE’D THE LAST FIFTEEN SECONDS OF ROUND TEN GO, SONNY?
9 Feb 2013, 15:52 pm
Bakkies, what about all te illegal shots to te back of the head from Botha?
why no mention of this?
disgusting, dirty cheating botha, many hits after the bell
what a drug taking cheating mule.
9 Feb 2013, 15:52 pm
Sonny Bill Williams’ manager Khoder Nasser has clashed with respected rugby league commentator Ray Warren as he attempted to defend his client’s controversial WBA heavyweight title fight win on Friday night.
Confusion continues to surround the status of the fight after it was abruptly cut from 12 rounds to 10, with Williams’ South African opponent Francois Botha appearing to get the better of the former All Black.
Botha believes he would have won if the fight had gone the distance, claiming he had no idea two rounds had been slashed from the bout.
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Nasser became angered when talking to Warren on Triple M on Saturday morning, insisting Botha’s camp knew all along the fight would be contested over 10 rounds.
“The WBA international belt – it’s not a WBA world title – has precedence where it’s a 10-round fight,” Nasser said.
“Because Botha saw the opportunity for a re-match, he’s going to pump it all the way.”
Warren responded: “How come the television commentators didn’t know about it and the bulk of the public were led to believe it was a 12-round fight?
Nasser: “Well Ray, you should know better. The commentators aren’t infallible; they’re not boxing experts.
“How many of them have ever been WBA champions? How many know the rules?
Warren: “I know what you’re saying but to come back at me and say ‘Ray, you should know better’… that’s ridiculous.
“Surely the television commentators were led to believe it was a 12-round bout, as a lot of people were that paid to watch.
“Why was it left so late to tell people it was a 10-round fight?”
Nasser: “That’s not my concern. My concern is that officials know how many rounds it’s going for, the opponent knows how many rounds it’s going for and my fighter knows how many rounds it’s going for.
“If you know the history of boxing, they’re always going to complain about something so they can get a re-match.
“That’s obvious.”
The Australian National Boxing Federation has backed Nasser’s version of events, confirming both camps were informed prior to the fight that it would be decided over 10 rounds.
It appears Botha’s team decided to keep that information from the 44-year-old.
Nasser confirmed Williams would fight again but would not say when.
The dual international now moves into rugby league mode and is expected to begin training with the Roosters next week ahead of his much anticipated return to the NRL.
AGAIN, TO BE CLEAR:
HOW BOUT THOSE MISSING FIFTEEN SECONDS IN ROUND TEN SONNY?
hehehe
9 Feb 2013, 15:57 pm
Bakkies
You have turned into one of the most boring,sour posters on here,repeating the same old junk all day, every day.When last did you post anything that was not about New Zealand and their supposed cheating? I mean, you’ve been on this anti-nz crusade since 2011 and even when Nz beat SA fair and square last year you still conjured up some ridiculous conspiracy theories.
At the end of the day, your opinion is just that…. YOUR opinion and it will not change the fact that NZ are pretty good at rugby. Accept that to be the best, you gotta beat the best, plain and simple. Give this nonsense a rest and start enjoying rugby again. You were such a lekke blogger so its a shame to see you in your current state.
Sonny won, controversially yes, but it is what it is… Move on boeta.
9 Feb 2013, 15:57 pm
@the curse-597:
Pops, the Ozzie and Kiwi twitterverse and other media is alive with ‘crying’… do you suppose its all the ‘expats’ complaining?
larf
this poll from the nzherald:
Do you think Sonny Bill Williams legitimately won his boxing match against Francois Botha last night?
5050–5100 votes
Definitely. Even if the fight had extended to 12 rounds SBW would have won it. 8%
8%
Debatable. We’ll never really know. 33%
33%
way. Francois Botha was just warming up. SBW would have been out for the count if the match was 12 rounds. 59%
9 Feb 2013, 16:00 pm
This is pretty amusing:
https://www.facebook.com/sbwofficial/timeline
9 Feb 2013, 16:07 pm
snaaks:
The TAB is refunding ‘Pick the Round’ bets and SportingBet Australia are refunding all bets on Francois Botha for the controversial boxing match between Sonny Bill Williams and Francois Botha in Brisbane last night.
Meanwhile, according to Sonny Bill Williams’ boxing camp, last night’s WBA title fight against Francois Botha was always scheduled to be ten rounds.
Williams tweeted ‘we both knew it was a ten -rounder’ today, while his manager Khoder Nasser conducted a fiery two minute interview with Nick Walker from Radio Sport where he questioned where it had ever been publicised as a 12 round fight.
Nasser might be surprised to find that Williams himself was promoting the fight as a 12 rounder at Thursday’s weigh-in, the day before the fight.
“He’s crafty.
It doesn’t matter what you look like. Experience is the key … I think his last four or five fights went the distance. He’ll do 12 rounds pretty easy. Hopefully I can up the pace a bit or slow it down – fight it at my pace,” Williams said on Thursday.
When Nasser was quizzed on Botha’s reaction to the fight – where the South African claimed the fight should have gone the full 12 – he suggested the experienced pro was acting dumb.
“Are you that stupid are ya? Have you not been around boxing long enough to understand people do that in boxing all the time?”
Nasser then avoided answering a question on when the decision had been made to make the fight ten rounds.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10864371
9 Feb 2013, 16:07 pm
@Rage-602: I am not sure even his girlfriend can say for sure whether his moaning during *** is not just another Kiwi induced fit.
9 Feb 2013, 16:08 pm
how about those missing fifteen seconds in round ten sonny?
so not only does he have to box during the round, he wa also the official time keeper?
talerted bloke obviously
9 Feb 2013, 16:14 pm
yep, because the twitter verse is where we find te truth isn’t it Bakkies?
lets wait until the whole truth comes out, SBWs for all you know may be innocent.
his manager may not.
but you continue to publically hang the man without a shred of evidence it was all his doing huh
9 Feb 2013, 16:20 pm
@the curse-608:
SomEone buggered it up big time. My money is on his coach.
9 Feb 2013, 16:22 pm
@the curse-607:
do you accept the bell was rung 15 seconds before time in the tenth?
who do you think was responsible for that?
9 Feb 2013, 16:36 pm
was SBW responsible for ringing the bell Bakkies? or like with every boxing match, the official timekeeper?
so in your mind SBWs was responsible for ringing the bell 10 seconds early?
ok then. strange universe you live in.
9 Feb 2013, 16:41 pm
@the curse-611:
i’m just asking, boet
do you think he deserves the victory?
9 Feb 2013, 16:45 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-612: no, your insinuating that SBWs alone is responsible for the whole fiasco, big difference..
I thought it was 10 seconds early, now youre saying it was 15 seconds early?
waste of time trying to have a conversation with you bakkies…you continue on your hating way
9 Feb 2013, 16:48 pm
I have already stated how peed off I was to see the South African flag being carried into the ring upside down again…probably not intentionally but that was pure rank amateurism displayed by the promoters/boxing authorities.
What further irked me is that this was allegedly a “title fight” held under the auspices of the once-great World Boxing Association yet no national anthems were played either.
Why?
P.S. Please note that I would be peed off seeing any country’s flag being flown upside down. You just don’t do that.
9 Feb 2013, 16:53 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-614: agree abotu the flag and the anthems… but it was held in Aussie, and with no Aussie anthem to be played maybe they skipped it (pun intended)
also, the ring announcer calling him Sonny “boy” further illustrates the incompetence, this before the fight even started..
9 Feb 2013, 16:54 pm
@the curse-613:
come on Pops,
one newspaper called it ten seconds but this was probably their attempt at journalistic credibility, hence playing it safe, i am pretty certain it was rung closer to 15 or more seconds early. a lot of other people are saying the same thing, truth be told its scandalous really.
we can agree though that the bell was rung earlier than the three mandatory minute time period, right?
i ask sincerely, do you think he deserves this victory?
9 Feb 2013, 17:04 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-616: so rumour and innuendo pass as fact? unless you have the official time all this 10-15 seconds malarky is just conjecture
again, you keep asking SBWs about the curtailing of 10-15 seconds of round ten, was it SBWs who ended that round early, as you have alluded to often? I havent seen the fight bakkies, apart from 20 seconds of highlights, but from all accounts the first 8 rounds were SBWs, Botha only really coming alive near the end of the match..
was the fight stopped early? perhaps.. was the fight agreed to be 10 rounds by both camps? apparently yes..
do we know the truth behind it all? no we dont..
so lets hang the man before we find out who was responsible and we have all the facts available, because that makes sense..
are you certain that Botha was not complicit in any of this? yet both fighters have mentioned a rematch in Capetown?
too many unknowns for me to say for certain where the guilt lays completely and with certainty.. but SBWs is kiwi so it must be all his doing huh?
dont let it stop you though
9 Feb 2013, 17:15 pm
@the curse-617:
huh?
are you drunk?
i watched the fight
i’m telling you the tenth round was cut short by about 15 seconds
i think the time was 2:43 or something like that
9 Feb 2013, 17:21 pm
@the curse-615: Sloppy all round it seems.
Anyway, I’m out for a while.
Brandy & Coke time, Keo!!!!!!!!!!!
9 Feb 2013, 17:22 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-618: you THINK the time was 2:43 or SOMETHING like that?
well that proves it then doesnt it…
how can we take you seriously when you watch AB/Bokke games and notice no indiscretions by your team?
seems all your caterwauling now places you in the enviable position of the “boet who cried wolf”
and we all know how that story goes
you have no credibility when it comes to observations regarding NZ/SA sporting contests…
9 Feb 2013, 17:41 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-618: What did you think of Botha hitting after the bell?
9 Feb 2013, 17:42 pm
will also post this here, in case you miss it on the Sharks thread..
http://www.supersport.com/boxing/south-africa/news/130209/Botha_and_SBW_agreed_to_10_rounds
have you seen this article Bakkies, Thinus Strydom reluctantly agreed and CONFIRMS that the fight was changed to 10 rounds..
eish, now this is interesting..
9 Feb 2013, 17:43 pm
@the curse-620:
this is your best response?
9 Feb 2013, 17:45 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-623: yep, just because you THINK the time was 2:43 is NOT proof it was..
put up or shut up..
what say you about Thinus’ revelation that he agreed to the fight being 10 rounds, in the article I just posted?
9 Feb 2013, 17:46 pm
@gonzo-621:
not nice but Sonny started hitting after the break up and after the bell first.
why not mention this?
9 Feb 2013, 17:48 pm
@the curse-624:
will you accept the bell was rung early?
this is funny.
9 Feb 2013, 17:51 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-626: I do accept it, but you have managed to stretch it out from 10-15 then to 17 seconds, all without proof of the actual number of seconds
will you acceopt that that both camps agreed to a 10 round fight?
(PS: Ive provided proof, you havent yet)..
9 Feb 2013, 17:56 pm
@the curse-627:
on the face of the evidence in the papers yes but it seems Botha was unaware of this and it happened right before of during the match. why was it ‘sprung’ on Strydom?
(PS: i watched the match live)
9 Feb 2013, 17:58 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-625: I didn’t see that. I thought Botha hit after the break up at least a couple of times and once Sonny Boy hit back.
9 Feb 2013, 17:59 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-628: so is it his managements fault for not informing him of the change? or is that SBWs fault too?
9 Feb 2013, 18:00 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-628: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-09/botha3a-it-was-match-fixing/4509774
They times the final round: 3:00
9 Feb 2013, 18:05 pm
@gonzo-629:
no, Sonny started doing it early on already (the hitting after the break and bell).
9 Feb 2013, 18:08 pm
@the curse-630:
lets keep our focus on the missing seconds and the two rounds.
@gonzo-631:
b.ullshit
the round was rung early
you are a really silly fool if you believe it wasn’t.
9 Feb 2013, 18:11 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-633:
“The ABC has since timed the last round and found it did go the required three minutes.”
the two rounds were comfirmed by Thinus to have been agreed to be dropped before the fight started.
that corner youve backed yourself into is getting smaller and smaller..
9 Feb 2013, 18:17 pm
i think i’m going to watch the whole fight in slow motion now
9 Feb 2013, 18:19 pm
@the curse-634:
i call b.ullshit
“The WBA official wasn’t officiating. The local commission wouldn’t allow it.”
With Queensland not having a Combat Sports Authority, it is unclear who Nasser is referring to.
9 Feb 2013, 18:22 pm
so bothas manager has confined the change to ten rounds, as shown in the link above, an you call bullsh1t?
doesn’t sit with your agenda does it?
9 Feb 2013, 18:24 pm
@shooter-635:
ja
time the tenth
see if the ‘ABC’ can count
9 Feb 2013, 18:27 pm
@the curse-637: sorry, Bothas promoter, not manager..
9 Feb 2013, 18:28 pm
@the curse-637: I can’t figure out if it was ineptitude and Strydom forgot to tell Botha it was a ten rounder or if they’re being dishonest and claiming they didn’t know when Strydom has confirmed he did. Either way, I’m not really surprised
9 Feb 2013, 18:30 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-633:
Hey Bakkies,
I just read that traces of buffalo sedation pills were found in a urine sample of Frans Botha!!
Apparently the devious Ausies were trying to sedate him but because he is such a strong, good clean living, god-fearing, humble, honest, hard working well conditoned athlete his system beat the pills and therefore he woke up in the 9 th round.
It shows you, even cheating cannot keep a good buffa….. i mean athlete down.
9 Feb 2013, 18:31 pm
@gonzo-640: yeah, but as bakkies will insist, it is all SBWs fault and it was an ANZAC conspiracy..
hell, SBWs was at fault for the official timekeeper ringing the bell 17 seconds early, or thats what Bakkies thinks it was..
his agenda is so plain to see, and alienates a lot of Saffas as well..
but he persists, must be tough living life through a broken lens..
9 Feb 2013, 18:39 pm
Bakkies, I have it on “good authority” that FB is actually an avid Lions supporter, do you now still like him so much?
9 Feb 2013, 18:40 pm
Quite amazed – Botha is way past it but I still would have thought he would’ve clocked him early on – sounds like she was actually getting tired which is bizarre.
9 Feb 2013, 18:40 pm
@Robzim-641:
you’re joking right?
are saying he was drugged with sedatives?
9 Feb 2013, 18:42 pm
she = SBW
9 Feb 2013, 18:42 pm
i dont farken believe this
9 Feb 2013, 18:43 pm
@Robzim-641:
now youve done it Rob, this thread will hit 1000 in the next half hour..
9 Feb 2013, 18:44 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-643:
He is the second biggest lions fan ever.
Only Jimmy Abbott is marginally bigger (by about 10 kg’s)
9 Feb 2013, 18:47 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-643:
there is some new information coming in here, BB
i need to follow up on this.
FB and Lions are ok in my book.
9 Feb 2013, 18:50 pm
The whit buffalo looked pregnant about 3 years ago so u should imagine he’s got a moeese guy in this one – musta been some funny **** – sbw primed like a peacock and the old buffalo nearly charges his gat down.
9 Feb 2013, 18:55 pm
@Robzim-649:
Now all they need is a decent hooker and they’ll be ‘A’ for ‘Away’!!!
Andrew HORE, are you busy next weekend?
9 Feb 2013, 18:56 pm
Serge Betsen – legendary
9 Feb 2013, 19:03 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-650: OK, but phaga speed, baba!!!
9 Feb 2013, 19:12 pm
SBW not a pro-boxer’s backside. Cheating Aussies plotted the win.
9 Feb 2013, 19:24 pm
Mayweather is more believable.
9 Feb 2013, 19:33 pm
@Lang Giel-655: What would their motive be for doing that?
9 Feb 2013, 19:44 pm
That basteraud is a monster in midfield – he crunched leighoenny and Jamie Roberts earlier who got some of his own medicine and then some.
9 Feb 2013, 19:48 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-657:
the default option, remember?
9 Feb 2013, 19:51 pm
@Lang Giel-655: Cheating Aussies? How did they cheat? If you’re talking about the ten rounds take a look at these two links. If you’re talking about the 15 seconds missing on the final round, I can’t confirm or deny it but please post a link that has some proof besides a bitter Botha claiming it. Anything else?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/8283220/Sonny-Bill-fight-was-fair-says-boxing-official
http://www.supersport.com/boxing/south-africa/news/130209/Botha_and_SBW_agreed_to_10_rounds
9 Feb 2013, 19:58 pm
@the curse-659:
Ah, of course, silly me!
9 Feb 2013, 20:21 pm
these commentators are going to drive me to drink…sooooo partisan!
9 Feb 2013, 20:40 pm
michalak is WOEFUL for 2 games on a row.
9 Feb 2013, 20:43 pm
Not wrong there transformation – gdam that Jonathan Davies is like a stuck record – gdam fool
9 Feb 2013, 21:21 pm
This from the weigh in a few days before:
“He’s crafty. It doesn’t matter what you look like. Experience is the key … I think his last four or five fights went the distance. He’ll do 12 rounds pretty easy. Hopefully I can up the pace a bit or slow it down – fight it at my pace.”
Sure I was a ten round fight…
9 Feb 2013, 21:30 pm
@Angostura-469:
“The case against SBW/Nasser is open & shut, clear cut, there for all with eyes to see … it IS their modus operandi…”
@David-485:
“News 24 has a story that the bookies were pissed because they’d had other SBW fights shortened and had pre checked that this was due to go 12 rounds.”
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-582:
“Absolutely it was. In fact we went to great pains to double check and triple check that it was 12 rounds because (in) a Sonny Bill fight this has happened before so we’re pretty annoyed about it.”
my question to all of you and Mark Stafford is…
please explain and give evidence of in which previous fights of sonny bills “this has happened before”.
it is simply not good enough to quote someone else’s unproven assertion…
sbw has only had 5 previous fights… so it shouldn’t be hard to track down the other fights (at least two of which should be proven to have been tampered with to establish a pattern of wrong-doing)…
no one seems willing or able to do this…
so i just spent about half-an-hour on the net trying to find reports, facts, rumors, innuendo about previous fights of sbw’s having rounds reduced during the fight… any thing… even one…
and you know what… zip nada zero… not a single one… the only results that came up were those being reported now by this mark stafford guy…
so i took it a bit further… and researched the results of all sonny’s fights… surely their would be asterisks, match reports, journalists comments etc…
what i found is the following… taken from wiki and corroborated where possible from other sites too… i’ve edited it down the salient facts for this debate and left out the good things sbw has done in these fights as far as philanthropy is concerned… so there is no emotion in info… just raw facts…
i have made an honest attempt to simply present the facts… accept that or not i don’t mind either way… i know i have not embellished anything…
will post it in the next post to so the long-post nazis don’t come after me…
9 Feb 2013, 21:31 pm
On 27 May 2009, Williams made his debut as a professional boxer, on the undercard of close friend Anthony Mundine,[83] and defeated Garry Gurr with a Technical knockout (TKO) in the second round in Brisbane.
On 30 June 2010, he defeated Ryan Hogan in a bout that ended by TKO after only two minutes and 35 seconds.
Williams fought in his third professional match against Australian Scott Lewis (on 29 January 2011 at the Gold Coast Convention Centre) in his first fight as the main event.
Williams won the six-round bout against Lewis by unanimous points decision. He was scored favourably 60-55, 60-55 and 60-54 by the three judges.
Williams fought again on 5 June 2011at Trusts Stadium, Waitakere City against Tongan Alipate Liava’a.
Williams won the bout by unanimous points decision, the fight scored 60-54 in his favour by all three judges.
On 8 February 2012 Williams was supposed to fight Richard Tutaki for the vacant New Zealand Professional Boxing Association (NZPBA) Heavyweight Championship title at Claudelands Arena in Hamilton. However, it was revealed that Tutaki was facing serious criminal charges and so was subsequently dropped from the fight card.
Williams’s replacement opponent was then announced to be Auckland-based American Clarence Tillman III.
Williams went on to claim the title belt by TKO after a left hook and a series of further blows on Tillman forced referee Lance Revill to stop the fight in the first-round.
On 8 February 2013 Williams fought South African former heavyweight contender Francois Botha at the Brisbane Entertainment Centre. The fight was for the vacant WBA International Heavyweight title.
After dominating most rounds, Williams went on to win the bout by unanimous points decision with the judges scoring 98-94, 97-91 and 97-91 in his favour.
However, the victory was marred by controversy because at late notice and unbeknownst to most viewers, the fight was shortened to 10 rounds instead of the scheduled 12. However, Australian National Boxing Federation committee member John Hogg later stated the decision to cut short the bout was made shortly before the fight started with the approval of officials and both Williams’s and Botha’s camps.
9 Feb 2013, 21:39 pm
@SjamBok-665: What you’re missing is that the change to ten rounds was made and agreed on, on the day of the fight. Hence, SBW thought it was 12 on Thursday because it was at the time but on friday it was altered.
9 Feb 2013, 21:42 pm
@ufo-666: I don’t remember a fight being shortened before but, and I’m a very unreliable source, I do recall he turned up to one of his fights and the organisers had changed the length of the rounds. He was upset as he’d been training for x minutes and they made it y. I don’t think SBW can be blamed for that though, it’s the promoters trying to juggle their TV slot
9 Feb 2013, 21:52 pm
to summarise…
in 5 prior fights sonny bill won 3 by tko and 2 by unanimous and comfortable points wins…
so in which of these 5 prior fights were rounds deducted by nefarious means…? not the tko’s obviously…
it can only have be BOTH of the points decisions if a prior pattern is to have been identified to force the bookies to check and recheck the numbers of rounds to ensure such skullduggery would not happen AGAIN…
yet i could not find a single claim, report, rumour, assertion or press report to that effect for either fight…?
so upon what facts is the asserted ‘pattern’ or modus operandi established and proven…?
surely with sonny bills high profile any prior such incident would have caused a lot of stink and generated a lot of column inches…? surely we would all have known about it before the beginning of yesterday’s fight…? surely before the fight we would have all been saying…”let’s hope the correct number of round are fought in this fight if it goes the distance…”
yet no one had heard of rounds being docked ever… before or until well after the end of yesterday’s fight…
and upon such flimsy and spurious comments are you prepared to castigate and pour scorn and disdain upon sonny bill williams …?
for what exactly…?
i wonder if any of you would be big enough and honourable enough to apologise for the specific comments that… this is basically how sonny bill rolls…?
the facts as i have sincerely tired to honestly establish them… do not support such claims…
as robzim and others including myself have said… wouldn’t it be better to wait for the appeal and/or the release of any further accurate and creditable facts before judging and finding guilty a man who simply has a love for boxing and had tried to build a career in the sport…?
9 Feb 2013, 22:00 pm
@gonzo-669:
cool gonzo…do you recall which fight it was…?
if it was one of the tko’s then it made no difference…
if it was one of the other fights… it still does not establish a prior pattern or modus operandi…
9 Feb 2013, 22:04 pm
@gonzo-669:
thing is that i really couldn’t find any report about anything to do with a shortened bout with regard to sbw…
i don’t like quoting wiki… but as an objective agenda-free (if not always accurate) source of information… which often has notes and caveats to their entries… there was no such thing about saw…
and certainly not enough upon which to crucify they poor guy…
9 Feb 2013, 22:09 pm
the only controversies on sbw i could find prior to this were…
a drink driving charge…
being caught in a toilet with a model and snapped on a mobile phone…
peeing against a wall in an alleyway…
smashing a paparazzo’s camera…
and skiing when he shouldn’t have been because of rugby commitments…
9 Feb 2013, 22:13 pm
@nama1-533:
Sorry nama missed Youri question. It was a lot to do with the breaking of contract and leaving league.
9 Feb 2013, 22:17 pm
@ufo-671: I had a hunt but couldn’t find it. I have a feeling it was one of his earlier fights but my memory is so bad, I might even have it completely wrong.
It’ll all come out in the next few days but it seems that yes, it was a circus but both camps knew before it started that it would be ten rounds. If they chose to or neglected to tell Botha, well, bad luck for him.
9 Feb 2013, 22:30 pm
@ufo-673: See Hurricane’s comment @674. That’s when the hating really started. He was very widely hated in Oz for breaking a contract with the doggies and going to rugby in France. First the club is despised by many anyway (they get called the Lebs) and second, the mungo ball fans in Oz seriously hate rugby (in NZ, plenty of us like both codes) so walking out pissed off everyone. But he didn’t help things by having Nasser as his manager, who at least gives the impression of being a pr*ck but I’m starting to see that even though he runs a circus he actually looks out for his clients and only has a problem with the NRL administrators, not union. But his tendency to convert his clients to Islam causes some issues, like SBW fasting for ramadan during his first tri-nations, which technically was unnecessary according to the koran. But half of the trouble comes from the media – he’s a superstar so he gets plenty of attention, both good and bad.
9 Feb 2013, 22:38 pm
thanks gonzo…
yeah i remember all the contract breaking controversy… but none of that adds any credibility to mark staffords or anyone else claims of sbw’s complicity in this whole fiasco…
i’m not a sonny bill fan… i think he takes himself waaay too seriously… but that’s not a crime and there is nothing to support these assertions about him and the assassination of his character and honor… way OTT imo…
9 Feb 2013, 22:41 pm
@NZINCHINA-563:
Great, indeed bitter, love-hate rivalry between Aussie v Kiwi – no doubt about that; but they will unite against the common foe
9 Feb 2013, 22:49 pm
@ufo-666:
you are a kak internet search jockey, Ufo
Sonny’s fight against Scott Lewis was promoed as an eight round bout but cut short by two rounds for some reason. he was of course taken the distance in this fight. make of it what you will.
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Hello and welcome to boxing live updates as Sonny Bill Williams goes toe-to-toe for eight rounds with Scott Lewis on the Gold Coast.
3 News will bring you the build up and keep you posted throughout the night with all the boxing action.
With an expected crowd of more than 5000, you can’t deny the All Black’s pulling power as he gloves up for his third professional bout.
There’s only half a kilo’s difference between Sonny Bill Williams and his Queensland opponent Scott Lewis, this should be William’s toughest assignment yet.
The TAB has SBW as a hot favourite; currently he is sitting at $1.16 to win with Lewis a clear outsider at $4.50.
http://www.3news.co.nz/Live-Updates-Sonny-Bill-Williams-vs-Scott-Lewis/tabid/415/articleID/196447/Default.aspx
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Lewis is ready to face Williams
BY SEAN CUNNINGHAM
19 Jan, 2011 01:00 AM
BRADBURY boxer Scott Lewis plans to take another former rugby league player’s scalp when he takes on Kiwi Sonny Bill Williams later this month.Last year, Lewis stopped North Queensland Cowboys rugby league player Carl Webb, who was making his professional boxing debut.
The 36-year-old, who fights out of the Southern Cross Boxing Gym, Campbelltown, will step into the ring with Williams on January 29 at the Gold Coast.
Under the guidance of his manager Terry Devlin, whose friendship with Lewis dates back to their rugby league days as juniors, Lewis plans to derail Williams’ boxing career.
Devlin is confident Lewis can stop an Anthony Mundine-trained Williams with a constant barrage of punches.
“I’m more than confident Scott can stop him within the scheduled eight rounds,” Devlin said.
“I think Scotty will stop him in the fifth round. As a trainer last year I caused more upsets than anyone — I had a lot of titles come back to the gym when we were written off and I’m sure they’ve picked the wrong opponent in Scotty.
“They might have been confident at first but they’re worried now.”
Lewis has received a massive confidence boost by sparring with Australian heavyweight Michael Kirby.
Devlin said his No.1 fighter said Williams would wake up the day after the fight “not looking so pretty”.
“I know what Sonny Bill’s plan of attack will be and I plan to take his gameplan away from him,” Devlin said. “He’s only done three rounds of boxing and Scotty will be able to adjust to three gameplans, depending what happens during the night. That’ll frustrate Sonny Bill.
“Scotty’s confidence is right up and he’ll be able to alter his style to suit whatever happens in the ring.”
Devlin praised Lewis’s sponsors for helping his fighter to leave work to train for six weeks in the lead-up to the fight.
“During this time I’ve had Scotty running from the train station at Campbelltown to St Greg’s College twice a day,” Devlin said.
“Scotty’s sparring partners have been about 25 kilos heavier than him, too — they’ve been big boys.”
Lewis record stands at seven fights, with three wins and four losses.
http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?p=8718767
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9 Feb 2013, 22:55 pm
my guess is the other fight which went the distance was probably the one also promoed as an eight round bout but then changed to six at the last minute.
these are probably the two fights the TAB New Zealand guy was referring too as being accepted by them on the understanding they were eight round bouts but then shortened to six shortly before the fights took place and which may have affected their position.
9 Feb 2013, 22:57 pm
Devlin is confident Lewis can stop an Anthony Mundine-trained Williams with a constant barrage of punches.
“I’m more than confident Scott can stop him within the scheduled eight rounds,” Devlin said.
9 Feb 2013, 22:57 pm
Hello and welcome to boxing live updates as Sonny Bill Williams goes toe-to-toe for eight rounds with Scott Lewis on the Gold Coast.
3 News will bring you the build up and keep you posted throughout the night with all the boxing action.
With an expected crowd of more than 5000, you can’t deny the All Black’s pulling power as he gloves
9 Feb 2013, 23:00 pm
besides, you are a windpomp if you think a bookie would say something like that for no reason..?…
these people are in the business of making money out of this stuff.
9 Feb 2013, 23:03 pm
seriously, you need to get real, boet
this was sham and so too were two of his previous fights
no
scratch that
so too were ALL of his previous fights
9 Feb 2013, 23:06 pm
here’s what the Daily Mail in the UK had to say about his fight:
On the ropes but Sonny Bill Williams still claims farcical victory over Botha
Former All Black Sonny Bill Williams’s boxing career took a new farcical turn on Friday when he claimed a controversial victory over a middle-aged South African who had him on the ropes before the bout was cut short by two rounds.
The 27-year-old was in trouble at the end of his sixth professional fight in Brisbane against 44-year-old Francois Botha, and jeers rang out from the crowd when he was announced winner after 10 rounds.
Williams said both boxers knew it would be a 10-round fight in a post on his Twitter account on Saturday, and Botha’s promoter told local media he had reluctantly agreed to the change shortly before the fight.
for the rest:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2276056/Sonny-Bill-Williams-wins-match-despite-pummeled-Fancois-Botha.html#axzz2KQxfnkXl
9 Feb 2013, 23:14 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-685: The Daily Mail is so awful I have it on my Google Block list.
What is your problem with the fight exactly? Do you deny that both parties agreed beforehand that it would be ten rounds?
9 Feb 2013, 23:23 pm
@gonzo-686:
haha
can you load a question any better?
9 Feb 2013, 23:29 pm
This is the third time that a Sunni Bin fight has been stopped early. Twice before his 8 round bouts were ended after only 6 rounds. Does anyone still wonder why the rest of the boxing world wants nothing to do with this laughable publicity stunt?
10 Feb 2013, 00:24 am
Over the last few years I have lost all respect for NZ sport.
- RWC rigged
- SBW farce
- Bryce
- POB
- Keith Lawrence
- McCaws favouritism
- ABs favouritism
- etc.
10 Feb 2013, 00:43 am
Boxing: Fight not over for SBW
Cries of match-fixing have cast a shadow over the title fight against the White Buffalo.
It ended in farce but Sonny Bill Williams’ win over grizzled heavyweight Francois Botha has some deadly serious repercussions for Williams and his camp.
Boxing officials in Queensland are meeting to see if they can curtail the activities of Williams’ manager, Khoder Nasser, after Friday night’s controversial heavyweight bout against Botha which caused the latter to claim “match fixing”.
Doubt has been cast over the validity of Williams’ victory, and on the international World Boxing Association title he won, because the sanctioning body, the WBA, may not have been contacted to approve the bout.
The hunt is also on for a mystery man who, according to Botha’s corner, approached them in the eighth round to tell them the rounds had been trimmed back to 10.
A clearly groggy Williams hung on to win though an angry Botha claimed he would have knocked Williams out had there been two more rounds – an estimation most fight fans would agree with, given Williams’ unsteady hold on the vertical at the end of the fight.
Betting agencies, which had offered bets based on a 12-round fight, refunded wagers to angry punters after the bout was suddenly cut from 12 to 10 rounds. Australia’s TAB, Centrebet and Sportsbet claimed they gave back almost A$150,000 ($185,000) in losing wagers, and the NZ TAB also refunded some bets on which round the bout would end.
As if that wasn’t enough, Williams has now been called out by David Tua. Tua is challenging Williams for his New Zealand heavyweight belt, after Tua’s promoter said the Williams-Botha bout had been bad for the sport and that credibility needed to be restored.
Botha’s corner man, Hardy Mileham, told APNZ’s Patrick McKendry that an unidentified man had loomed up in the corner during the eighth round, delivering the message that the fight had been shortened to 10 rounds.
Mileham said he quickly told his fighter: “They’ve cut it down to 10, you’ve got to open up. It’s make or break.”
“Sure enough, this was match-fixing,” an angry Botha said in his dressing room afterwards. “How can you cut 15 seconds [from the final round]? How can you cut two rounds? That’s called match-fixing.”
10 Feb 2013, 00:43 am
Meanwhile, according to Brisbane’s Sunday Mail, some of Australia’s leading boxing figures – furious at another tainted promotion staged by the controversial manager of Williams and Quade Cooper – have called a crisis meeting to curtail his activities. A Queensland boxing official, who did not wish to be named, told the paper: “We are going to have a very serious talk in the next few days pertaining to [Nasser's] promotions in Queensland.”
Brad Vocale from the WBA’s Pan Asian Boxing Association told Fox Sports News: “Due process clearly wasn’t done here by the self-appointed regulatory branch here in Queensland because they didn’t even bother to check with the WBA whether this bout has been approved.”
Vocale said he doubted the belt presented to Williams was sanctioned by the WBA, and that it wasn’t a genuine WBA belt but made by a member of the Queensland branch of the Boxing Federation.
“This thing has happened before with the same promoters and the same regulatory body,” Vocale added. “There was certainly no WBA official there last night. In my view they’ve defrauded the fight-paying public of Australia.”
That could mean Williams might be awarded the win but will not be officially recognised as a WBA international champion because of the unprecedented shortening of the bout. WBA championship fights are held over 12 rounds.
Yesterday John Hogg, the supervisor of the fight for the Australian National Boxing Federation (ANBF), said Nasser and Botha’s manager Tinus Strydom approached him only minutes before the first bell to say the fight was being cut back.
“The boxers may have even already been in the ring when we were told,” Hogg said.
10 Feb 2013, 00:44 am
“I did find it strange to make a change like that so late in the night. The timekeeper was informed of the change and so was the referee and the judges. But it was done at such late notice there was not even time to inform the TV commentators. I find it a bit hard to believe that Botha didn’t know of the change.”
However, the Australian reported ANBF vice-president Alan Moore, a ringside judge for the bout, had no idea it had been shortened to 10 rounds.
Nasser was adamant yesterday that all parties knew the fight would be over 10 rounds.
Boxing image hurt
Sonny Bill Williams, on Twitter yesterday
“First morning after the fight its sinking in what a great night it was. We both knew it was a 10 rounder … ”
Dean Lonergan, boxing promoter
“To lose two rounds from the bout is a bit like the referee pulling the plug on an All Blacks match 10 minutes from the end because we thought the boys might lose. It is not on. This will hurt boxing and damage the credibility of the sport. …”
Sir Robert Jones, property tycoon
“It was like watching an amateur show pony taking on a tired old man. By the 10th round Sonny Bill looked like he was going to be knocked out by a 44-year-old bloke who is well over the hill. Sonny Bill must have been embarrassed by what happened and he should quietly hang up his gloves and stick to playing rugby.
“The whole performance was degrading to the sport of boxing. It was a joke.”
Ken Reinsfield, Shane Cameron’s manager
“Before the fight Sonny Bill had been talking about it as being a 12-rounder and it was advertised on the tale of the tape as such. I have been involved with about 25 title fights and regional belts with Shane Cameron and they have all been over a minimum of 12 rounds. Sonny Bill … was out of his depth and was out on his feet when it was stopped. I hope the punters realise that this was just a bit of showbiz and didn’t really look like a genuine match.”
10 Feb 2013, 00:46 am
The hunt is also on for a mystery man who, according to Botha’s corner, approached them in the eighth round to tell them the rounds had been trimmed back to 10.
Botha’s corner man, Hardy Mileham, told APNZ’s Patrick McKendry that an unidentified man had loomed up in the corner during the eighth round, delivering the message that the fight had been shortened to 10 rounds.
Mileham said he quickly told his fighter: “They’ve cut it down to 10, you’ve got to open up. It’s make or break.”
“Sure enough, this was match-fixing,” an angry Botha said in his dressing room afterwards. “How can you cut 15 seconds [from the final round]? How can you cut two rounds? That’s called match-fixing.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10864451
10 Feb 2013, 00:51 am
Nah, too meek moaning intensity, to even remotely challenge Hore’s thread record.
10 Feb 2013, 00:53 am
@ufo-482: howdy ufo
You are correct, I had not seen, & therefore had not read, your earlier post 413 regarding the curtailment of the fight. You had dealt with the curtailment objectively & fairly given the info then readily available.
I was accordingly clearly wrong in stating and/or insinuating that you chose not to deal with that essential aspect of the fight. I apologise for that.
I have been busy today, & shall be busy tomorrow, with typical weekend leisure type activities, but I shall try my best to find time to respond tomorrow to the other matters raised in your post 482 and in your subsequent posts.
Till we chat again
10 Feb 2013, 00:57 am
@Angostura-695: jeesh, I did not realise it was past midnight already
I hope to respond sometime later today (Sunday), ufo
G’nite all
10 Feb 2013, 04:13 am
Wow, you guys still moaning?
Bakkies you need to stop.
Way over the top just over a boxing match.
And you still have not said anything about both fighters agreeing to 10 rounds. All you are doing is trolling the internet for what others have said. Not all agree with what you gave said so gave it a rest
10 Feb 2013, 04:22 am
@blik-689:
Somehow we do not care what you think.
But we need to tread carefully here with some of you,don’t want you to get roid rage and destroy your keyboard.
I think you guys need to up ya game, this little country of NZ seems to get the better of S.A. way to easily lately….. seems with people like you, blaming others is the best thing to do.
10 Feb 2013, 04:27 am
Dam I hate cell phone blogging. Need to get back home but still another week of motel living while my house gets rebuilt thanks too earthquakes .
10 Feb 2013, 05:21 am
697 Hurri its very unhealthy for the guy to be doing this sometimes up to 20 hours a day.
10 Feb 2013, 07:11 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-679:
hehehe… that may be the case…
i don’t do it that often, especially when blogging, as i try to give my own thoughts instead of regurgitating those of other people…
you clearly have a lot more experience searching for material…!
10 Feb 2013, 07:13 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-680:
your guess is that the other fight was the same…? hardly makes it fact…
so we can find proof of one fight being shortened BEFORE the fight… which is hardly the same as what appeared to happen in this fight with everyone seemingly caught by surprise mid fight…
but for an identifiable pattern to be established at least two fight should have been unequivocally rigged…
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-683:
so i’m a windpomp…?
oh the sweet irony…!!
so you say i’m a windpomp if i “think a bookie would say something like that for no reason..?… these people are in the business of making money out of this stuff.”
are you serious…? bookies…? paragons of virtue…? wouldn’t do anything questionable to tilt the odds in their favour…??
very funny bakks… you should do stand-up…!!
so i guess those poor old honest bookies had their arms twisted and their heads beaten with bats by all those dastardly cricketers lead by hansie, who forced them to participate in match fixing…? guess the mobile records were the other way around… instead of bookies phoning cricketers and other sportsmen… the cricketers and sportsmen have been hounding those poor innocent butter-wouldn’t-melt-in-their-mouths bookies who are just out to do an solid and honest hard days work…!!
okay bakks.. if you say so…
10 Feb 2013, 07:27 am
” God willing, After i have a good NRL season
I’ll gladly rematch Mr Botha. Even in South
Africa..” – SBW…
10 Feb 2013, 07:28 am
okay so at least one other fight was changed…
although before the fight and it looks like the fighters both knew about it before hand…
so this would be the second (or sixth if we “do a bakks” and extrapolate that over all five previous fights) occasion
and i will concede it does indeed look like sonny’s manager is a piece of work who operates on shady paths off the straight and narrow…
greedy nefarious people all over the world in all walks of like have manipulated and ‘guided’ ordinary good people into doing strange and bad and even evil things…
perhaps sbw has put too much faith in nasser… the seeming fact that nasser has coerced some of his charges into changing religion would certainly indicate he is a cultish-type personality…
but i still do think it’s unfair to tar sbw with the same brush until… and if… it is ever proven he knew about and condoned these things beforehand…
streuli got the whole bok team to engage in activities they would never normally do so… many castigate streuli for abusing his position and forcing players to do his bidding… hardly anyone blames the players themselves…
so until more solid evidence proves sbw was a willing and enthusiastic participant i still believe it is wrong to judge and find him guilty before then…
innocent until proven guilty…
but that’s just me…
10 Feb 2013, 07:33 am
@ufo-704:
Whether it was a prior agreement or not to reduce the length of this bout, it is obvious that not all parties were adequately informed.
Particularly the judges. Who I reckon should’ve been informed.
They thought they were still judging a 12 rounder.
10 Feb 2013, 07:33 am
@Angostura-695:
very gracious of you angostura… respect…
i also need to apologise to you and david for the tone of my posts… it was unnecessary…
david i’ve ‘known’ and liked and respected for years on keo and his comment did not deserve my subsequent posts… i misread his intention there..
apologies david…
i’ve got to dash too… got a long hike today…
so will check back later this evening or tomorrow…
cheers….
10 Feb 2013, 07:40 am
@I am a stormer-705:
absolutely agree with that stormer..
and said so in my first post on the subject…
next time…
10 Feb 2013, 07:43 am
SBW fight not officially sanctioned by WBA
3 News online staff
Claims have been made that the WBA title
belt won by Sonny Bill Williams in Brisbane
last night is not a WBA sanctioned belt.
According to Brad Vocale from the WBA Pan
Asian Boxing Association, the belt was made
by a member of the Queensland branch of
the Boxing Federation.
Speaking to Fox Sports News, Vocale doubts
the belt Williams was presented with after
his win was sanctioned by the WBA.
“I haven’t confirmed this at all – the
championship belt put around Sonny Bill
Williams’ waist last night was not in fact a
genuine WBA Championship belt,” Vocale
says.
“In fact it was made by a member of
the Queensland branch of the Boxing
Federation.
“This thing has happened before with the
same promoters and the same regulatory
body,” Vocale adds.
Vocale says he is now worried about the
state of boxing in Australia and says there
was no WBA official at the fight.
“I despise the fact it’s given a black eye to
boxing again,” Vocale says.
“There was certainly no WBA official there
last night.
“In my view they’ve defrauded the fight-
paying public of Australia.”
Controversy over the fight erupted when it
was cut short from 12 rounds to 10.
At that stage of the fight, Williams was out
on his feet. He was forced to hang on to his
opponent, and many watching the fight feel
he would not last another round, let alone
two.
On-air commentators,
the TAB, pay-per-view
customers and media
throughout the world
were astounded when
the scheduled 12-round
fight was stopped at the
end of the 10th round.
Even the on-air graphics
heralded the fight as
being 12 rounds of three
minutes.
Commentary on the
broadcast also said
prior to the fight: “Twelve rounds is the
journey”.
“I thought it was going for 10, just like the
New Zealand title I fought for,” Williams
reportedly said after the fight.
“Our whole preparation was for 10 rounds.
“I pride myself on doing everything above
board. I don’t have a bad bone in my
body.”
Botha’s promoter Thinus Strydon has since
come out saying he chose not to tell his
boxer the fight was more than 10 rounds,
but they did agree on the day of the fight to
the distance being 10 rounds, according to
The Courier-Mail.
But Botha claims he did not know this.
“It’s bulls**t,” he says. “You can’t do it.
There are rules and regulations. It was in
the press conference, on the programmes –
a WBA 12-round international fight. You
cannot change it.
“I’m very much disappointed. I prepared
myself for 12 rounds,” Botha tells
RadioLIVE.
“Last night I was chopping trees, every
round I’m chopping him down y’know,
saving myself for the last three rounds,
building it up and always finishing strong.”
If it was as Strydom says and Botha did not
know, then the promoter has made a very
big error in judgement.
Botha is adamant that the referee, Tony
Kettlewell, also told him that the fight was
12 rounds.
10 Feb 2013, 07:53 am
@Transformation-708:
Somethings fishy downunder.
10 Feb 2013, 08:43 am
Newspaper commentary is unanimous here in NZ…….the fight was a farce and does not deserve to be on the record books.
Sonny Bill showed that he can box a bit, not much but a bit. But the farcical situation around the length of the fight asks a lot of questions of the promoters.
10 Feb 2013, 10:01 am
Boxing: Mystery man cut bout short
It was the eighth round. An unidentified man loomed up next to Francois Botha’s corner man, Hardy Mileham. The fight against Sonny Bill Williams was 10 rounds, not 12, he said.
Mileham quickly told his fighter: “They’ve cut it down to 10 you’ve got to open up. It’s make or break.” During the 10th round, the ring announcer told the crowd there were 90 seconds left in the fight.
“Sure enough, this was match fixing,” an angry Botha said in his dressing room afterwards. “How can you cut 15 seconds [from the final round]? How can you cut two rounds? That’s called match fixing.
“It’s a 12-round fight. This boy has never gone past six or seven rounds. So I’m going to get him. I was pacing myself, pacing myself to finish strong and boom, it didn’t happen.
“They were the two rounds I really needed to finish him off.
10 Feb 2013, 10:01 am
“We should protest it. How can you bend the rules, because he’s a superstar in rugby? He’s a superstar here, he should be winning, everyone wants him to win, his management. How can you bend the rules and cut it down? It’s unheard of, you can’t get away with it.”
The Australian newspaper reported that Australian National Boxing Federation vice-president Alan Moore, a ringside judge for the bout, had no idea it had been shortened.
“When the ring announcer said over the loud speaker that it was the last round, that was the first we [judges] knew of any change,” Moore was quoted as saying. “Any international title fight is meant to be fought over 12 three-minute rounds. I have no idea what happened.”
10 Feb 2013, 10:02 am
However, ANBF bout official John Hogg said yesterday that the reduction to 10 rounds had been agreed just before the bout began (see story, p6-7).
There was no doubt Williams won the fight on points, as scored over the 10 rounds. There seemed equally no doubt that a rampaging Botha – the ‘White Buffalo’ – would have won if, as everybody thought, the fight was over 12 rounds. Williams seemed almost out on his feet, so much so that there was some credence to be given to the claim that if the referee had stopped Williams from clinching and Botha had been able to move away, Williams would have fallen down.
Williams claimed the vacant WBA International heavyweight belt with a unanimous points decision over 44-year-old Botha at the Brisbane Entertainment Centre – but the majority of the 4000 crowd booed Williams out of the ring, after the fight went only 10 rounds.
10 Feb 2013, 10:04 am
There were also allegations that the final round was 15 SECONDS SHORT (THIS IS ABOUT CONSISTENT WITH THE TIME I MENTIONED TO POPPA WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS, I SAID TO HIM THE CLOCK WAS ABOUT 2:43 WHEN THE BELL WAS RUNG), as Williams, who was out on his feet after a devastating late barrage from Botha, desperately clung on for what will now be seen as a dubious win.
Williams’ sixth and most impressive professional fight will be tarnished by the scenes in and out of the ring. Both men were deducted points by referee Tony Kettlewell – Botha in the ninth round for hitting after the break and Williams for holding in the 10th.
The New Zealand TAB has called for an inquiry. TAB spokesman Mark Stafford told Newstalk ZB the shedding of two rounds was unacceptable.
10 Feb 2013, 10:05 am
“Absolutely it was,” he said. “In fact, we went to great pains to double check and triple check that it was 12 rounds because [in] a Sonny Bill fight, this has happened before so we’re pretty annoyed about it.”
Botha suggested dark forces could be at work, saying the WBA must order a rematch to protect its integrity. There appeared to be no WBA representative at the bout.
Botha, who had a graze on his nose and a cut over his right eye, added: “I got screwed. He was out on his feet. All I had to do was push him away and he would have fallen down.
“I was chopping him down and one more round, bo! Timber and then, boom, he would have gone down!
10 Feb 2013, 10:06 am
“It’s bullshit, you can’t do it. There are rules and regulations. It was in the press conference, on the programmes; a WBA 12-round international fight. You cannot change it.
“He’s a big boy [but] he never hurt me. He had a good jab but he doesn’t do enough. I told him, because I talk always. I told [Williams] ‘listen, you’re showing your punches’.”
Williams appeared exhausted afterwards from the blows he took at the hands of a man who has fought 60 professional bouts and against the likes of Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis.
10 Feb 2013, 10:06 am
He claimed he thought it was a 10-round fight, just as his New Zealand Professional Boxing Association title fight was.
“My whole preparation was geared for 10 rounds,” he said. He also tweeted yesterday that both camps knew it was a 10-round affair.
“First morning after the fight it’s sinking in what a great night it was. We both knew it was a 10 rounder b4 the fight! WBA interntionalbelt!!,” he posted.
Earlier, his controversial manager Khoder Nasser was involved in a heated argument with the Botha camp in the South African’s dressing room. Storming down the corridor with the WBA belt over his shoulder, Nasser shouted at Botha and Mileham: “Who won the fight? You know who won the fight. Ah, wake up.”
10 Feb 2013, 10:06 am
Security staff were poised to intervene and the shouting and confusion continued until Nasser walked out.
Nasser said later: “My understanding was that it was a 10-rounder. Now if it was a 12-rounder, that’s just a total misunderstanding.”
Asked about the allegations the 10th round was short, he said: “I haven’t seen that but the TV will tell you. If you think that I’m dictating that bullshit, well you can check that out. From our side of the camp, we feel that there were a lot of things happening in the ring that were totally illegal.
10 Feb 2013, 10:07 am
“You saw it for yourself. Double-handed [punches] at the back of the head, hitting after the break. That was happening in the 10th round because the guy got desperate and very dirty.”
He added: “If there was a misunderstanding, it’s a misunderstanding. Sonny would have prepared totally different [for 12 rounds]. And Sonny wouldn’t have been like that in the last 30 seconds if he wasn’t hit in certain positions as well that were totally illegal.”
10 Feb 2013, 10:07 am
Botha said of his penchant for hitting with both hands behind Williams’ head: “You know what? It throws your opponent and it messes you up. Through the years, you learn this and I do it in a certain way so the ref doesn’t see it. You could see how dirty the fight was getting.”
Further muddying the already murky waters, Nasser said he wanted a WBA official at the fight but none could attend.
10 Feb 2013, 10:08 am
“The local commission would not allow any WBA officials,” he said.
When asked which commission he was referring to, given there was no authority in Queensland, Nasser asked him to do his own research, adding: “If you want to butt in, pick your words carefully.”
When asked why there were 12 ring cards at ringside, Nasser replied: “That’s normal.”
Pressed again about the timekeeping in the final round, he prefaced his departure with: “Who’s got the belt, mate? See you later.” APNZ
10 Feb 2013, 10:09 am
@ufo-701:
@ufo-702:
wow, so you’re gonna go down swinging, slugger….
10 Feb 2013, 10:12 am
Personally, I don’t see what all the anguish and outrage is about. Did anyone really take this fight seriously when it was first announced?
10 Feb 2013, 10:17 am
There are some good people in New Zealand. This from the NZ Herald:
Poll of the Day
10900–10950 votes
(Question?)
Do you think Sonny Bill Williams legitimately won his boxing match against Francois Botha last night?
Definitely. Even if the fight had extended to 12 rounds SBW would have won it. 6%
6%
Debatable. We’ll never really know. 30%
30%
No way. Francois Botha was just warming up. SBW would have been out for the count if the match was 12 rounds. 64%
64%
10 Feb 2013, 10:39 am
Forget the time and short rounds, in his prime Botha wasn’t very good. He is now a 44 year old short fat man and SBW couldn’t convinvingly beat him he should hang up his gloves SBW gets into the ring with a proper boxer he will be killed
10 Feb 2013, 11:02 am
Bakkies the way you are going on about this dumb boxing match is pathetic.
Give it a rest man, you are continually claiming top spot for the idiot of keo.
10 Feb 2013, 11:11 am
@FrenklyMuDeah-725:
Money Bin doesn’t have heart..you need heart to be a good boxer.
10 Feb 2013, 11:11 am
well you have made your opinion on the fight and SBW’s side known, Hurri.
10 Feb 2013, 11:23 am
And now Botha has just failed a drugs test.
What a ******* joke. Joke sport, joke participants
10 Feb 2013, 11:48 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-650: Hola Bakkies, any news on this yet?
10 Feb 2013, 11:50 am
lmao @ Hurri
10 Feb 2013, 11:53 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-728: Boxing: Botha failed drugs test before fight
10 February, 2013
Sonny Bill Williams’ opponent
Francois Botha failed a drugs test
before their controversial fight, it has
emerged.
Botha – a former heavyweight champion
who claimed he did not know his bout with
Williams was set down for 10 rounds -
tested positive for phentermine in his
system.
The 44-year-old submitted a urine sample
on Tuesday last week, the Sydney Morning
Herald said, and the test revealed the
presence of phentermine, a banned
stimulant.
It also showed traces of benzodiazepine, a
valium-type product. The drug test had now
been forwarded to the WBA’s headquarters
in Panama.
10 Feb 2013, 11:55 am
oh my
Botha caught doping again huh? this changes everything. he cheats before the fight no wonder he outlasted SBWs. he was doped up
but he has been a known drug cheat for years
http://mobile.news.com.au/sport/boxing-mma/francois-botha-test-positive-to-a-banned-substance-following-sonny-bill-williams-fight/story-fndkzthy-1226574876533
can’t wait to see Bakkies posting article after article about the cheating before the fight
Sone can only presume that Drugs in sport reaches every fabric of SA society. I do hope those giving it to Aussie about drugs in sport ear their humble pie quietly in the corner now
:lol; lets see Bakkies defend this now.
disgraceful.
10 Feb 2013, 11:57 am
@Transformation-732: This will not stop Bakkies.He will just brush it off as another Aussie/Kiwi conspiracy .
10 Feb 2013, 12:04 pm
where is kaksioek?
he was another very vocal about “trans-tasman lies”
I wonder what he says now about SA subterfuge and the need of SA sportsmen to take banned substances
gots to laugh, seems karma has come back and bitten the mosy bitter vocal “truthers”
as I sad the other day Bakkies, lets wait until the whole truth comes out.
now I can laugh and laugh and laugh, because Botha cheated BEFORE the fight was held.
eish
10 Feb 2013, 12:06 pm
@S_K-734: And he is right.Nothing but cheating filthy scum.
10 Feb 2013, 12:08 pm
@David-723: Boxing has lost its soul quite a long time back.What are we left with?Rugby,cricket players as well as 44-year-old fat boys fighting for titles.Not to forget two Ukranian brothers with the charisma of a wet rag.
10 Feb 2013, 12:09 pm
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-736: just had your hit of the roids bru?
seems the white “saviour” is nothing but a chemists pin cushion
seems they are also rife in your schools, that explains the mental retardation of people like yourself..
10 Feb 2013, 12:09 pm
@the curse-735: I wouldnt laugh to hard,names have not come out in the oz doping scandal and i bet there are going to be a few cheating keeeweeeees in there.They most probably got his urine sample mixed up with sbw as only one of them looks like he is on drugs and it sure aint botha.
10 Feb 2013, 12:10 pm
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-736: No,he is not.He is a paranoid person whose mind is clouded with dark forces most of the time.
10 Feb 2013, 12:11 pm
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-739: Botha got caught taking roids in 96 too
he is a known drug cheat
but then SA sport is not renowned for their honesty and their integrity
10 Feb 2013, 12:12 pm
@the curse-738: Hey bro go and have another hit of p bro.Alright bro.
Doesnt sound like you went to school at all bro.
10 Feb 2013, 12:13 pm
Bakkies
can you please tell me what all the kiwi websites you visit and post articles from have to say about your mans illegal drug taking?
can you link us to a few of these articles please?
thanks in advance
10 Feb 2013, 12:14 pm
The White Buffalo is a liar and a drugs cheat.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/8285110/SBW-fight-Botha-tests-positive-to-drugs
10 Feb 2013, 12:16 pm
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-742: hahahahahaha the white “bluffer” is a drug taking mother fcker,,
oh the serving of STFU has ciome quick and fast… beautiful indeed.
no wonder SBW couldnt knock him down, he was peaking with the amount of illegal banned substrances coursing through his veins
guess Francois didnt have the heart or guts ro face SBW without the need of “help”
hahaha
10 Feb 2013, 12:19 pm
@the curse-733: If there has ever been a set up this is it.Just a smoke screen to hide sbw and his camps cheating.You keeeweeees should be ashamed of yourselves for defending this,but then i would never expect a keweee to be ashamed.To thick.Got to go,let all you keeeweees backhand each other by yourselves.
10 Feb 2013, 12:21 pm
where the fck is Bakkies?
if SBW had tested positive this thread would have hit 2000 posts in 5 minutes..
lmfao
Botha knew he couldnt beat SBW, so had to CHEAT before the fight
this changes everything, perhaps the fight was shortened to 10 rounds after the officials had looked into Bothas eyes and recognised the roid rage?
perhaps they were worried if it went 12 rounds his heart would have packed in, roids seem to damage this organ especially.
oh my indeed..
10 Feb 2013, 12:22 pm
i say test him again, independently.
if a neutral lab shows similar results then yes, he is a doos for doping.
Kiwis have proved themselves untrustworthy all too often.
10 Feb 2013, 12:23 pm
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-746: Botha was caught in 1996 taking the drug Nandrolone
google it
but run along now boy, you have no argument because your great white hope is nothing but a junkie
that must make you two of a kind huh?
10 Feb 2013, 12:25 pm
Another South African sportsman who has absolutely disgraced our nation.I hope that the authorities deal with him to the letter of the law.Thinus Strydom also needs to be investigated for his role in the actual fight itself.If he had,beforehand ,agreed to the reduction of the rounds,why is he saying that he ‘reluctantly’ agreed to it?Strydom and Botha seem to be a partnership made in hell going on their conduct in Australia this week.
10 Feb 2013, 12:25 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-748: known drug cheat caught yet again, and thats NZs fauklt?
hahahah
perhaps SA sport isnt as clean and transparent as youve tried to make out fckwit
best start with your schools huh, and maybe the parents to, teach them of the consequences of doping, seeing as they encourage it huh?
hows that humble pie tasting bakkies? good fcken job..
10 Feb 2013, 12:29 pm
@the curse-751:
you idiot.
if Botha doped i have no problem calling him out as a fraud.
pity you are incapable of doing the same.
10 Feb 2013, 12:29 pm
Phentermine, a contraction of “phenyl-tertiary-butylamine”, is a psychostimulant drug of the phenethylamine class, with pharmacology similar to amphetamine. It is used medically as an appetite suppressant.
a psychostimulant? no wonder he claims he didnt know the fight was reduced to 10 rounds before it started, to hopped up to probably even know where he was..
10 Feb 2013, 12:33 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-752: botha doped in 96, it didnt stop you backing him up until the news broke of his lastest positive result…you in fact are linking his positive result to NZ defrauding the test results, as shown below.
“i say test him again, independently.
if a neutral lab shows similar results then yes, he is a doos for doping.
Kiwis have proved themselves untrustworthy all too often.”
you need serious help Bakkies..
10 Feb 2013, 12:34 pm
@the curse-751: I would say that the parents are one of the main culprits here.Here it’s basically a case of trying to compensate for your failure as a sportsperson by pumping your children full of performance enhancing products hoping that they are successful.That seems to be the easy way out than to achieve success by real old fashioned hard work.Unfortunately these practises are very much prevalent in the Afrikaner community .
10 Feb 2013, 12:35 pm
seems doping is so commonplace in SA sport that it is endemic
I say SA should be banned from international sport until they get their act together and clean up their game.
they make the Aussies seem like angels where drugs in sport are concerned..
disgraceful and embarassing for SA as a whole
just how many other SA “legends” are dope fraud cheats?
10 Feb 2013, 12:37 pm
@the curse-753:
Plus valium. A stimulant and an anti depressant to counteract it.
10 Feb 2013, 12:38 pm
@David-757:
makes sense ?
10 Feb 2013, 12:41 pm
Bakkies, go to this website
http://www.drugfreesport.org.za/
you can report Bothas test results to them, so they can make sport cleaner
10 Feb 2013, 12:43 pm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/nov/15/ralepelle-bason-south-africa-drugs
South Africa coach fears entire squad may have taken banned substance
• Fears after two players test positive for methylhexaneamine
• ‘We don’t want to put the squad at risk’ says Peter de Villiers
was PDV admitting to systematic doping on SA rugby Bakkies?
10 Feb 2013, 12:44 pm
@S_K-755: prevalent in the Afrikaner community?
You know this how exactly?
10 Feb 2013, 12:45 pm
Botha and Overeem probably have the same doctor.
10 Feb 2013, 12:48 pm
ELEVEN South African Athletes were suspended for doping offenses during 2012.
This is a very high number for a single country and indicates a serious problem with both a lack of awareness of the dangers of using such substances and also an element of dishonesty in some cases. What makes the numbers worse is that there are still six outstanding cases awaiting finalisation.
10 Feb 2013, 12:49 pm
Both sides bullshitting frauds. They are conmen of the type usually exposed by TV journos. The mug punters who pay good money to be led around by the nose can only blame themselves for ignoring the past scams of these operators. They will continue to paddle around on the fringes of the sport trawling for the fools who will buy their special brand of snake oil.
10 Feb 2013, 12:52 pm
@the curse-763: Anzacs no better. The recent announcement in Oz is the tip of the iceberg.
10 Feb 2013, 12:54 pm
@the curse-763: I think it’s a tad rich for a kiwi to be pointing fingers at drug use in other countries.
10 Feb 2013, 12:54 pm
“If you look at the crowd, you know who won. You’ve got to win fair and square, not with the advantage of the judges, you’ve got to fight. According to me I won, hands-free.”
it takes a special kind of stupid to say this knowing full well that you have taken banned substances before your fight..
10 Feb 2013, 12:54 pm
@Dilligafrican-761: By making it up.
10 Feb 2013, 12:56 pm
An All Black with 6 fights beats the best boxer south africa has ever had.
That boxer botha was on drugs.
# Its insult to injury folks.
As a south African i am discusted.
10 Feb 2013, 12:57 pm
@Dilligafrican-766: @stormer in a teacup-765: dont take any notice of me
just doing my baklkies impersonation..
but admit it, it was rather hypocritical of Saffas to mention Aussies drug problems when your own countries drug problems are so well known?
Bakkies told us SA sport was clean, upstanding and transparent..
doesnt appear that way though does it?
10 Feb 2013, 12:58 pm
@the curse-767: Yeah. Botha is a dishonest competitor. He was well matched against SBW in that regard.
10 Feb 2013, 12:59 pm
@stormer in a teacup-765:
the Kiwis will cover it up of course, they are small minded.
10 Feb 2013, 12:59 pm
and yes, I imagine there are some nervous kiwis around, not many but a few..
but the way Bakkies and some others here go on about NZ, its nice to be able to tell him to STFU on occasions
10 Feb 2013, 13:00 pm
@the curse-770: Or is Bakkies doing his Poppa impression?
10 Feb 2013, 13:01 pm
@stormer in a teacup-771: disagree… apparently BOTH camps knew the fight had been shortened, Botha just forgot in his drug induced euphoria
10 Feb 2013, 13:01 pm
@stormer in a teacup-771:
if its trrue he doped. yes.
but he had nothing on the Kiwi camps dishonest inclinations.
that farce was a whole new level of open mouth shocking.
10 Feb 2013, 13:02 pm
New Zealand has no drug problem.
New Zealand is a humble little island at the bottom of the world who produce some of the finest natural atheletes in the world.
As for South Africa & Australia 2 boiling hot countries were cheating , match fixing and doping are riff.
# What about our cheating cricket captain crongne.
# What about when the all blacks were poisoned in the world cup in south africa.
10 Feb 2013, 13:03 pm
@Meno-769: The best boxer SA has ever had? I think you are on drugs as well.
10 Feb 2013, 13:03 pm
@stormer in a teacup-768: indeed. Funny enough, the last schools where boys were tested positive were those bastions of Afrikaans such as St Albans, St Johns and Kes.
@the curse-770: ok, I geddit.
10 Feb 2013, 13:03 pm
@stormer in a teacup-774: nah, I am not as relentless as bakkies..
even on threads with no kiwi participation, our “cheating filthy scum” ways get a mention..
10 Feb 2013, 13:04 pm
@stormer in a teacup-778:
she tries too hard.
10 Feb 2013, 13:05 pm
@the curse-775: shortened by whom, and why did the judges, audience and bookies not know? Is that acceptable practice where you come from?
10 Feb 2013, 13:06 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-781: and you cry to hard
10 Feb 2013, 13:07 pm
@Meno-777: pause?
10 Feb 2013, 13:08 pm
@Meno-777: Stooge, there is no way on Gods green earth you are South African. Save it.
10 Feb 2013, 13:08 pm
@stormer in a teacup-782: no its not, but the promoters agreed to it, dont blame SBWs for their lack of communication
is it okay for a competitor to go into a match having taken banned stimulants then protests that he won the fight “fair and square”?
10 Feb 2013, 13:09 pm
Botha exposed as a drug cheat and yet the likes of our pal Bakkies persists with the conspiracy theories.This just makes all you haters look more and more pathetic now that the White Braaipack’s -thanks for that gem Gunther- true colours,scuse the pun, have shone through.
Time to accept that whilst this bout was a farce Sonny came out on top and so it shall be unless the WBA or UFC or whoever decides otherwise.Time to move on manne….a glorious season of Superugby awaits.
Stormers,Highlanders,Brumbies to top their respective conferences.Ya heard it here first.
10 Feb 2013, 13:10 pm
does SARU run SA boxing as well? seem to have the same sort of leadership, professionalism etc as each other..
10 Feb 2013, 13:12 pm
@the curse-786: who was the promoter?
10 Feb 2013, 13:12 pm
“You know I love Sonny Bill, I think he’s a great guy, a gentleman, but this was bullshit”
so is drug taking Francois lmfao..
10 Feb 2013, 13:12 pm
@Rage-787: fark the stormers.
10 Feb 2013, 13:13 pm
@stormer in a teacup-789: Thinus Strydom, and he admitted that he agreed to the shortened fight, albeit reluctantly
10 Feb 2013, 13:14 pm
@Rage-787: Highlanders is a big call. Are you a fan?
10 Feb 2013, 13:14 pm
Oz looking to wrap the game up against the Windies. Stands are empty. Maybe had drug testing stations at the turnstiles.
10 Feb 2013, 13:16 pm
And Botha’s promoter, Tinus Strydom, told local media he had reluctantly agreed to the change shortly before the fight, which Williams won on points.
http://www.sport24.co.za/OtherSport/Botha-SBW-agreed-to-change-20130209
10 Feb 2013, 13:16 pm
Is Sonny Bill the new Hore.
10 Feb 2013, 13:17 pm
@the curse-792: Wrong! It was a Khoder Nasser Event. We all know who he is, don’t we?
10 Feb 2013, 13:18 pm
@Dilligafrican-784: Nicely put.
10 Feb 2013, 13:21 pm
I am a South African ,a man of Color.
My family has been in Africa for thousands of years .
You Mr Stormer in a tea cup
Are just an immigrant to Africa most likely of Dutch or Uk decent.
Do not start me please.
10 Feb 2013, 13:21 pm
@stormer in a teacup-797: so Botha doesnt have a promoter who would have worked with Nasser?
ok then
10 Feb 2013, 13:22 pm
Sonny Bill wants a rematch……………………………………in SA.
In Cape Town.
” I will probably have more support than he does”. Sonny Bill.
10 Feb 2013, 13:23 pm
Actually for all the fuss,
Sonny Bill doesn’t seem to give a fat rats arsse.
10 Feb 2013, 13:24 pm
It keeps getting better. Now I remember why I don’t watch a lot of boxing. I’d rather waste my precious timing on WWF, at least everyone knows the rules – every match is fixed and steroids are probably optional.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/boxing-mma/doubts-raised-over-claims-that-francois-botha-tested-positive-to-a-banned-substance-following-sonny-bill-williams-fight/story-fndkzthy-1226574876533
10 Feb 2013, 13:24 pm
@Meno-799: Bollox.
10 Feb 2013, 13:25 pm
@Meno-799:
Are you perchance a ‘supporter’ of the All Blacks and one of the NZ franchises?
10 Feb 2013, 13:26 pm
@the curse-800: Brian Waldron?
10 Feb 2013, 13:26 pm
Yes i support the all blacks .
10 Feb 2013, 13:26 pm
@Meno-799:
“Do not start me please”.
Go ahead Meno, make a **** of yourself.
10 Feb 2013, 13:27 pm
@cane-802: cheque was collected. End of.
10 Feb 2013, 13:27 pm
@Meno-799: Bollox.@Meno-799: you know as much about me as you know about South Africa, it’s history and it’s sporting figures – sweet fokkall.
10 Feb 2013, 13:27 pm
@stormer in a teacup-804:
Go back to where you came from White boy.
10 Feb 2013, 13:29 pm
@the curse-800: Hi pops, you are spot on: Strydom was the promoter from Botha’s side.
We all know Nasser is SBW’s agent
10 Feb 2013, 13:29 pm
@cane-808: @cane-808:
Botha has made a fool of all South Africans ranting on about this and that after the fight when we no now he new the fight was 10 rounds and to add insult to injury he tested positive for drugs.
10 Feb 2013, 13:30 pm
@Meno-807:
And you are shouting about how African you are? Yet you turn your back on your own country and want to preach about being African?
Lol. And you want to be taken seriously?
10 Feb 2013, 13:30 pm
@cane-808: he’s off to a splendid start.
10 Feb 2013, 13:30 pm
@gonzo-803:
wait for Poepsie to squirm
its going to be nice one
hehehe
i was building the suspense and letting her get it all off her chest
but you beat me to it
10 Feb 2013, 13:30 pm
@Meno-811: Uncalled for remark !!!
10 Feb 2013, 13:30 pm
SEVERE doubts have been cast on Francois Botha’s reported positive test to a banned substance before his WBA title fight against Sonny Bill Williams.
Fairfax Media stated Sunday night that Botha’s urine tested positive for banned stimulant Phentermine after a sample was taken last Tuesday.
However, Australian National Boxing Federation committee member John Hogg said it would be “bizarre” if Botha was even tested, let alone did so knowing he would fail.
Hogg is the ANBF Queensland representative and was the man who sent Botha for his full medical last week.
Hogg said there were no compulsory performance enhancing drugs tests required for boxers in Queensland and he had never heard of Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority spot-testing professional boxers in Queensland.
10 Feb 2013, 13:30 pm
@cane-801:
Dawn, dogfood and nama1 will be there in the front seat with their All Black jerseys, trying to get splashed with Money Binn’s sweat.
10 Feb 2013, 13:31 pm
An ASADA spokesman said the body was not in a position to make a formal comment on the issue but typically boxing title fights fell out of their jurisdiction.
Williams deservedly defeated Botha on points at the Brisbane Entertainment Centre last Friday, but was out on his feet in the 10th round when the fight ended despite everyone believing it was a 12-round contest.
Fairfax’s report did not mention which body tested him and how the results were returned in five days.
10 Feb 2013, 13:31 pm
@Meno-811:
Capo!!!! How have you been my old racist poodle fancier?
10 Feb 2013, 13:32 pm
this whole thing is just falling further into a cesspool of lies, corruption, blame game and so forth..
it really is the biggest farce and circus Ive seen in sport, and there have been a few
who knows what to believe from either camp anymore?
10 Feb 2013, 13:32 pm
@Meno-813:
No, Jacob Zuma made a fool of all South Africans when he became President..
10 Feb 2013, 13:32 pm
There was no WBA official at the fight. “I sent Frans for a complete medical which tested him for hepatitis and AIDS etc but that is the only testing required of professional boxers,” Hogg told The Courier-Mail. “I have never heard of ASADA spot-testing professional boxers in Queensland.
“I would think I would have heard about ASADA testing Botha or Sonny Bill because they have never showed up to boxing gyms in Queensland or on fight night.
“Tests for performance enhancing drugs are not compulsory in Queensland.”
10 Feb 2013, 13:33 pm
@CharlesM-812: kia ora boet
10 Feb 2013, 13:33 pm
@JockBok-821: Yes and after being banned as “wnnb” he returns under a new nic !!
10 Feb 2013, 13:34 pm
@the curse-792:
@the curse-795:
@the curse-800:
Williams’ manager, Khoder Nasser, WAS THE PROMOTER OF THE FIGHT NIGHT last Friday and did not respond to requests from The Courier-Mail for comment on the doping test claim against Botha.
Hogg said Nasser could have asked Botha to submit to further testing. “But Frans could also rightly refuse,” he said. “Then again, what is the point of testing a fighter on a Tuesday if you only get the result after the fight.
“The only way he would have been tested is if Nasser made him but then which body would Nasser have got to do it?”
10 Feb 2013, 13:34 pm
@JockBok-821: capo has some command of the English language. This clown “nos” fokkall
10 Feb 2013, 13:35 pm
kom
jou ****** cowboy
bring dit
10 Feb 2013, 13:35 pm
@the curse-825: I’m well thanks! You’ve had a couple of late nights lately! Still on holiday ?
10 Feb 2013, 13:35 pm
Well done Oz on beating the Windies
10 Feb 2013, 13:35 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-816: whats the matter, just using your principle of guilt by news report, facts have never been relevant to you have they?
so run along moffie boy, havent you khaki shorts to darn?
10 Feb 2013, 13:35 pm
@Meno-811: Cape Town. In all its glory – which is in South Africa, a country represented on the rugby field by the Springboks. South Africans do not find themselves represented by the sporting teams of other countries. They also know more than sweet fokkall about their own country’s sporting personalities.
10 Feb 2013, 13:36 pm
@JockBok-814:
You seem short on words.
I have lost faith in my country after this latest incident.
I had money on Botha.
Now it is clear the best man won.
Why is it that South Africans and Australians seem to be so involved in match fixing and doping .
I think its the ego of big nations ,well it has now been exposed .
The Domino effect is now in play in Australia.
Its only a matter of time until they snitch to save them selves.
10 Feb 2013, 13:37 pm
@CharlesM-830: just the way my roster at the kings cross nightclub this fat maori security guard works at is scheduled..
good to hear youre well..
10 Feb 2013, 13:39 pm
@the curse-822:
i cant hear you
SPEAK UP
10 Feb 2013, 13:39 pm
What is wrong with supporting the All Blacks i have supported them for many years.
I have been at many All Blacks matches in my all blacks gear in Capetown .
Do you think it is treason supporting a team that stood up for us people of color in the tour of 1981.
10 Feb 2013, 13:41 pm
@Rage-787: Thanks mate!
10 Feb 2013, 13:41 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-827: why are you mentioning NASSER now?
throughout this whole charade your target has been SBWs, youve been adamant it was his fault the fight was shortened and that it was his fault the bell was rung “early” and that the guilt was solely his
why the change now bakkies? youve been very vitriolic towards the man himself, now you want to shift focus to the manager
fck off you myopic w@nker. your hatred of NZ is well known on this blog and even Saffa posters pity you and are embarassed by your incessant, constant hate spewed forth in NZs direction..
10 Feb 2013, 13:41 pm
@the curse-822: and we are all in agreement once more.
10 Feb 2013, 13:41 pm
@the curse-832:
you said you wanted to serve me something..?…
a big helping of what again?
oh
that’s right
STFU sonny
10 Feb 2013, 13:44 pm
@the curse-839:
i havn’t seen someone serve themselves a helping of ‘egg on face’ like this in years
this almost rivals SBW’s fight, Poeps
come on bud, you have to agree this is funny.
10 Feb 2013, 13:45 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-836:
So, John Hogg says that he is not sure Botha was tested positive, and you velieve him
when Johm Hogg was adamane that both camps agreed to 10 rounds, you maintained and continued to ask why the fight was stopped early?
SO, when John Hoggs statement supports your argument, his word is gospel
when it doesnt, his word is nothing?
10 Feb 2013, 13:47 pm
no egg on my face Bakkies, SBW won the fight and thats all that matters..
10 Feb 2013, 13:47 pm
I have watched so much sport in my life and spent hard earnt money betting on matches ,buying supporter gear and attending games.
Id call sport my religion and in some ways i feel i have wasted my life watching sport and supporting teams when in many cases the game has been tainted by doping and match fixing .
Whats the saying i always hear on the streets in Cape Town
# Money talks
Well in my view now money cheats and money ruins sport
Professionalism & Gambling & Drugs have ruined sport .
At least in WWF we now its rigged.
10 Feb 2013, 13:50 pm
@the curse-843:
@the curse-844:
going down swinging, Slugger..?…
10 Feb 2013, 13:52 pm
Bakkies Botha you are an honorable man please front up.
10 Feb 2013, 13:53 pm
so no answer to why you listen to John Hoggs words now, but didnt when he stated that both camps agreed tp the fight being 10 rounds?
why is this bakkies? dont divert, answer the question?
10 Feb 2013, 13:54 pm
@Brumbiesboy
Ruan Smith,Stephan van der Walt,Mark Swanepoel,Clyde Rathbone,Jake White…
Brumbies becoming the Saracens of the SH
10 Feb 2013, 13:55 pm
you do of course realise that not only have you Anzacs been shown up badly as PATHETICALLY USELESS fight fixers who supported a fighter who was handed his arse by Santa Clause BUT…
you have now also been exposed for your shameful attempts to discredit a boxer who you already defrauded out of a legitimate win by spreading false lies in the media
can this get any better
10 Feb 2013, 13:56 pm
Poppa and Bakkies…
why dont you just agree to disagree? Are you ever gonna stop dissing each other and copy-and-pasting the living shite out of every thread?
10 Feb 2013, 13:58 pm
@Rage-851:
They have a Rachel & Ross from Friends relationship.
I love you, I hate you, I love you, I hate you……………..
10 Feb 2013, 13:58 pm
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10 Feb 2013, 11:55 am
oh my
Botha caught doping again huh? this changes everything. he cheats before the fight no wonder he outlasted SBWs. he was doped up
but he has been a known drug cheat for years
http://mobile.news.com.au/sport/boxing-mma/francois-botha-test-positive-to-a-banned-substance-following-sonny-bill-williams-fight/story-fndkzthy-1226574876533
can’t wait to see Bakkies posting article after article about the cheating before the fight
Sone can only presume that Drugs in sport reaches every fabric of SA society. I do hope those giving it to Aussie about drugs in sport ear their humble pie quietly in the corner now
:lol; lets see Bakkies defend this now.
disgraceful.
10 Feb 2013, 13:59 pm
@the curse-788: SA Boxing is run by one Ngconde Balfour, he the super-fit-super-intelligent one of ‘Who the Hell is Jacques Kallis’ fame. Prior to his current appointment he ran the “corruption-free” Dept of Correctional Services for a few years…
10 Feb 2013, 14:00 pm
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10 Feb 2013, 12:04 pm
where is kaksioek?
he was another very vocal about “trans-tasman lies”
I wonder what he says now about SA subterfuge and the need of SA sportsmen to take banned substances
gots to laugh, seems karma has come back and bitten the mosy bitter vocal “truthers”
as I sad the other day Bakkies, lets wait until the whole truth comes out.
now I can laugh and laugh and laugh, because Botha cheated BEFORE the fight was held.
eish
i will ask Transformation Forensic Services to archive these gems, Pops
10 Feb 2013, 14:00 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-850: yawn A drug taking Santa Claus?
Botha was positive for roids in 1996, but you continue to stick up for him
good to see youre the type who has no problem with performance enhancing drugs in sport, as your stance goes.
and thats the way, let all that hate out bakkies, dont hold back now.. we’ve all known thats how you feel about kiwi’s, your fake apologies and retractions mean fckall..
10 Feb 2013, 14:00 pm
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10 Feb 2013, 12:09 pm
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-736: just had your hit of the roids bru?
seems the white “saviour” is nothing but a chemists pin cushion
seems they are also rife in your schools, that explains the mental retardation of people like yourself..
10 Feb 2013, 14:01 pm
@ 852 nortierd
Indeed…they can’t live with each other,they can’t live without each other.
10 Feb 2013, 14:01 pm
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10 Feb 2013, 12:13 pm
Bakkies
can you please tell me what all the kiwi websites you visit and post articles from have to say about your mans illegal drug taking?
can you link us to a few of these articles please?
thanks in advance
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no Pops, thank you
10 Feb 2013, 14:02 pm
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10 Feb 2013, 12:16 pm
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-742: hahahahahaha the white “bluffer” is a drug taking mother fcker,,
oh the serving of STFU has ciome quick and fast… beautiful indeed.
no wonder SBW couldnt knock him down, he was peaking with the amount of illegal banned substrances coursing through his veins
guess Francois didnt have the heart or guts ro face SBW without the need of “help”
hahaha
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nice
10 Feb 2013, 14:03 pm
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10 Feb 2013, 12:21 pm
where the fck is Bakkies?
if SBW had tested positive this thread would have hit 2000 posts in 5 minutes..
lmfao
Botha knew he couldnt beat SBW, so had to CHEAT before the fight
this changes everything, perhaps the fight was shortened to 10 rounds after the officials had looked into Bothas eyes and recognised the roid rage?
perhaps they were worried if it went 12 rounds his heart would have packed in, roids seem to damage this organ especially.
oh my indeed..
—————-
hello
is it me
you’re looking for..?..
10 Feb 2013, 14:03 pm
Bakkies
Botha is a drug cheat
end of
he also lost the fight to SBW
end of
the rest is just your obfuscation because your white d.utchman tough guy got beaten by a brown skinned kiwi
10 Feb 2013, 14:05 pm
Fransie was on the same beautification treatment Shane Warne used. Only in Warne’s case he actually slimmed down.
Have some sympathy for us fat boys, it’s difficult to look good without some quick fix meds.
10 Feb 2013, 14:07 pm
oh look its a chemistry lesson:
753.the curse: Reply to this comment
10 Feb 2013, 12:29 pm
Phentermine, a contraction of “phenyl-tertiary-butylamine”, is a psychostimulant drug of the phenethylamine class, with pharmacology similar to amphetamine. It is used medically as an appetite suppressant.
a psychostimulant? no wonder he claims he didnt know the fight was reduced to 10 rounds before it started, to hopped up to probably even know where he was..
10 Feb 2013, 14:07 pm
@ Stormer in a tea cup
Im not a Highlanders fan,I just feel like they can knock over quite a few teams this year.What they really need is a strong finish coz thats where they faltered over the last season or two.New recruits like Nonu,Thorn,Woodcock will certainly add a whole lotta value to their cause.
10 Feb 2013, 14:08 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-850: I’m not sure if it’s yet shown that the drug test wasn’t positive. It seems there are no real rules in boxing in Queensland and Botha may have submitted to a test that wasn’t mandatory. But failing a test he didn’t legally have to take doesn’t mean he didn’t dope.
And the whole issue with WBA, seems to add to the circus. I doubt SBW can claim to be the champ but I’m not sure anyone knew there was a belt on the line until it was being wrapped around Sonny Boy’s waist
10 Feb 2013, 14:13 pm
@gonzo-866: let him keep going, his life is so sad that he needs to feel superior on a rugby blog because both his countries sportsmen and his physical state personally have reduced him to this
let him have his moment in the sun, hyis hatred of anything NZ is well documented, I could treawl past threads and post countless hours of unadulterated hatred
thing he doesnt realise is that he can laugh at me now, but many many many of his countrymen laugh at his paranoia constantly
thts a truth hes not willing to face yet.
10 Feb 2013, 14:13 pm
This whole scenario actually makes me feel sick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10 Feb 2013, 14:15 pm
@Rage-849: SA’s travelling Barbarians!
10 Feb 2013, 14:16 pm
@gonzo-866:
yip.
my gut feeling is its a smear but i’ll wait for more info to come out.
SBW is anything but a boxing champ, he’s a very good rugby player who could go on to be a great rugby player (meaning legend) if he is prepared to do the hard yards for a long enough period of time… but a championship boxer he ain’t.
10 Feb 2013, 14:16 pm
@gonzo-866: And the whole issue with WBA, “but I’m not sure anyone knew there was a belt on the line until it was being wrapped around Sonny Boy’s waist”
And there is the answer to why the fight had to be fixed.
If the belt fit SBW’s waist then it sure as hell would not have fit around Fransie’s.
They had to save him the embarrassment of trying to squeeze into something that he had no chance of fitting into.
10 Feb 2013, 14:17 pm
still an undefeated boxer though
10 Feb 2013, 14:20 pm
@nortierd-871:
The belt was made to measure!
10 Feb 2013, 14:22 pm
@Meno-868:
there you go
this is one time i can agree with you
its mostly sad and a little sickening too.
personally, i think SBW is a decent’ish bloke who to some extent has made and formed his moral and ethical views of how to conduct himself as a person and a man, from some of the people around and sadly or unfortunately for him some of those people around him have less than ideal moral makeups.
he needs good people who care enough and are close enough to help break the hold and influence these people exert on him.
10 Feb 2013, 14:23 pm
of course the fight was fixed
a Saffa lost
just like the rugby when you lose
it was fixed
like its always been, like it always will be
you saffas are pathetic..
e noho ra..
10 Feb 2013, 14:23 pm
@nortierd-871: Interesting that you point that out. The belt actually fell off Sonny when they tried putting it on, so maybe it was fitted for Botha. It wasn’t until a while later that someone figured out how to secure it, perhaps with string or safety pins.
Either way, the whole thing is a farce. I really hope SBW is put off the sport. He needs to focus on the rugby league world cup in November then having a decent relaxed off-season before super rugby starts. Before you know it, it’ll be the RWC, followed by Olympics. He doesn’t have time to piss around with boxing. He held his own but he’s obviously not going to go a lot further unless he drops the rugby, which would be a waste of his talent. Save it till 2017 if you ask me
10 Feb 2013, 14:24 pm
@I am a stormer-873:
hahahahha
sharp
10 Feb 2013, 14:25 pm
@the curse-872:
come on, Pops
you’re better than this, boet.
dont do this
dont go so low
10 Feb 2013, 14:29 pm
Why would Sonny Bill get himself involved in such a dubious sport as boxing?He had the adoration of millions of Kiwis and thousands of Capetonians in union ,but he chose to go down the path of league and boxing.Doesn’t make any sense at all.
10 Feb 2013, 14:30 pm
@gonzo-876:
Yep, agreed, after Olympics he can conquer Hollywood.
This is one bloke that fits as much in his life as possible and does well at whatever he chooses.
Very determined and disciplined young man.
10 Feb 2013, 14:34 pm
I wonder if a hobby will help a person who suffers from severe obsessive compulsive behaviour?
10 Feb 2013, 14:36 pm
@the curse-875: The default option, Pops.
10 Feb 2013, 14:37 pm
An obsssion is an idea or thought that constantly intrudes into a persons thoughts and that he/she just cannot let go of. If the obsession becomes too bad the person might even kill himself or somebody else. Its scary stuff..
10 Feb 2013, 14:44 pm
@the curse-875:
as Kiwis, your moral compass is badly damaged, Poppa
and no, its not a race thing at all.
fix this and make the world truly love and respect you for the way you can play sport, with an obviously deep sense of passion and desire to succeed as the best, you need to do this in that spirit of fair play we all hold ourselves to.
imho you guys can be this. you certainly are deeply talented enough at sport and are in my view more than capable of doing it the good way if you tried hard.
we Saffa’s have walked through our own valley of death to reach ‘a promise to a better land’ if we work together hand in hand, its not easy and sometimes the going is hard but we are trying to be a better people… a rainbow people…
we are competing to win, yes
but not to win at morally deplorable cost simply for the purpose of seeking to validate as appropriate some internally held perverse notion of self.
you have been a part of teaching us lessons we badly needed to learn at a terrible time in our journey
now the student has become the teacher, and the teacher the student
let us honour your teachings…
10 Feb 2013, 14:45 pm
@Robzim-883:
Yip he definitely needs some kind of help.
10 Feb 2013, 14:47 pm
Now he’s rambling.
10 Feb 2013, 14:49 pm
i’m out for a bit
cheers all
10 Feb 2013, 14:49 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-887:
Take a long break Bakkies, you need it.
10 Feb 2013, 14:50 pm
This is hillarious. Maybe I do like boxing after all, constant entertainment regardless of the result. Who knows what to believe
“THERE is yet another twist in the Sonny Bill Williams fight farce, with Francois Botha admitting he signed a contract for a 10-round bout.”
“We signed a contract for 10 rounds a long time ago, but since then it has changed to 12 rounds. Nasser says now this old contract is what matters, but we all said it was 12 rounds when it became a title fight.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/boxing-mma/beaten-francois-botha-keen-for-cape-town-rematch-with-sonny-bill-williams/story-fndn16fm-1226574945535
10 Feb 2013, 15:02 pm
Just to make it clear, we really don’t want to claim the white buffalo as one of ours. We have hundreds just like him we want to deport.After any rugby game you can spot them with brandy + coke, shorts and red faces, all believe they are heavy weight champs and all have paunches that can compete with Botha’s. Please guys they are not really not from SA even if we’re ioffering them at discount prices.
10 Feb 2013, 15:18 pm
@FrenklyMuDeah-890:
The Aussies should have put Donut Dunning into the ring with him rather. It would have been a more even match up.
10 Feb 2013, 15:30 pm
Ok. Actually watched the last 2 rounds. Couple of things were clear:
1. Botha knew it was 10 rounds. At the break after the 9th you can clearly hear his trainer saying “it’s make or break”. You could see it in the urgency Botha showed after that too.
2. Botha is a cheap shot artist with the late hits Nd double hits.
3. Sonny had to hold on for dear life in round 10. Managed to waste almost 90 seconds of the round and would not have survived otherwise.
4. The round was not blown early. Time was called with 26 seconds to go to dock SBW for holding. After time was called on the same time elapsed till the final bell.
As a boxing spectacle it was just that. A spectacle.
10 Feb 2013, 15:32 pm
@David-891: would’ve been easier to explain the stolen rounds on grounds of genetic inheritence.
10 Feb 2013, 15:34 pm
Anyone else backing the Irish this afternoon. Think its going to be a great game. Not sure what weather is like though
10 Feb 2013, 15:36 pm
@FrenklyMuDeah-894: with my heart, yes. With my bru, nope
10 Feb 2013, 16:01 pm
@ 892 dilligafrican
Thats a good summary right there,all fair and valid points.
@894 frankly
Im behind the Irish for this one,it should be a cracker…
speaking of Ireland,why dont they have a sevens team? I mean even minnows like the Cook Islands and Niue(sp) enter teams on some legs of the World Series.
10 Feb 2013, 16:07 pm
Let me just say that SBW deserved to win, regardless of all the controversy which still needs explaining, What is more concerning is this:
It was a vacant WBA title fight. The one challenger is an over the hill boxer who held a title years ago but hasn’t the last couple of fights he fought, and the other is the NZ heavy-weight champ who has never (still) fought anyone worth anything and has had a total of 6 pro fights?
And these get to fight for a vacant title??? Seriously?? No one has fought anyone in the top 10 in the past and they get a title shot. That is the real fix here, not the outcome.
10 Feb 2013, 16:22 pm
@stormersboy-897: it appears not to have been officially sanctioned?
Also, it sounds like one of those Daspoort’s deadliest dut.chie awards.
10 Feb 2013, 16:42 pm
In other news, anybody notice that Western Province are now the reigning champions of both rugby and cricket?
Thought not.
Well done the Cobras!
10 Feb 2013, 17:02 pm
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