SBW survives late White Buffalo onslaught
8 Feb 2013
Sonny Bill Williams beat Francois Botha on points in Brisbane after the boxing bout was controversially reduced from 12 to 10 rounds during the fight.
The former All Blacks centre was hanging on by a thread in what turned out to be the last round and would almost certainly have lost if another two rounds had been allowed.
The judges awarded the fight to Williams 97-91, 98-94 and 97-91.
‘I love Sonny Bill, but this is bullshit,’ Botha said afterwards. ‘I beat him hands free!’
Earlier, Wallabies flyhalf Quade Cooper won his first professional fight in a first-round knockout of Australian Barry Dunnett.
There will be repeats of both fights on SuperSport at 3pm (SS5) and 7pm (SS1).
945 Comments
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8 Feb 2013, 21:50 pm
@kaksioek-343:
No, its not ok, but i have also not seen SBW’s coach speaking to the ref and ask him to reduce the rounds.
8 Feb 2013, 21:51 pm
@Robzim-349:
Botha clubbed his head and only hit him after the break in resonse to Sonny’s repeated holding.
still no mention of the missing two rounds..?..
i’m starting to repappraise my opinion of your boxing knowledge.
8 Feb 2013, 21:52 pm
@kaksioek-339:
thanks.
pretty much sums it if a little on the kind side to Sonny.
wonder who wrote the article?
8 Feb 2013, 21:53 pm
@Robzim-350:
please refer to post #339.
8 Feb 2013, 21:54 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-352:
See above #350 and 51) on my views re the “missing”rounds. Lets wait for the organisers to tell us whether they wealy went AWOL or what happened before we come to conclusions.
8 Feb 2013, 21:58 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-354:
Nasser is saying that his understanding was it was a 10 roundsand that If it was a 12 rounder that’s just a total misunderstanding.
So, there is a difference in opinion and lets wait for the official response from the WBA.
8 Feb 2013, 21:58 pm
@Robzim-349:
Somebody needs to go and read the rules:
http://wbanews.com/artman/uploads/1/WBA_Rules_adopted_in_Jakarta_10-30-12.pdf
You can say whatever you like, but the only way that fight could be stopped two rounds early is if the referee determined that one of the fighters was unable to continue or one of them was disqualified.
Neither of these two things happened.
Botha was docked one point for late punches and Williams was docked one point for hanging on.
I draw your attention to contest rule 2:
Bout Duration. All sanctioned bouts shall be scheduled for twelve (12) rounds.
Each round shall be scheduled for three (3) minutes duration with a one (1) minute rest between rounds.
8 Feb 2013, 22:00 pm
@Robzim-350:
Rob, the announcer made the annoucement in the 10th round!
No wonder, SBW looked sheepish.
8 Feb 2013, 22:01 pm
@I am a stormer-348:
yip.
i hear you and its just a difference in views really.
Serfontein will be Bok this year imo.
8 Feb 2013, 22:01 pm
There is no “misunderstanding” – the rules are crystal clear.
8 Feb 2013, 22:02 pm
@kaksioek-357:
If what you are saying is indeed correct ( I dont know and obviously do not have all the facts) then the fight should be declared a no- contest if Botha appeals. So lets see what happens.
8 Feb 2013, 22:03 pm
Australian sport is a disgrace.
8 Feb 2013, 22:05 pm
@Robzim-361: It’s pretty simple. If you can read, there is no room for confusion. Read it for yourself at the link provided.
8 Feb 2013, 22:07 pm
@I am a stormer-358:
I think he looked sheepish because of the shot he took to the head. after the bell rung.
Look, if it is so clear cut that they changed te rules (duration of he fight) illegally during the fight, then I agree 100% that the fight must be declared a no-contest so lets wait for the outcome of the appeal.
8 Feb 2013, 22:08 pm
@Robzim-355:
@Robzim-356:
dude, are you kidding me?
http://hollywoodundeadofficial.ning.com/profiles/blogs/heavyweight-frans-botha-vs-sonny-bill-williams-live-streaming-2
how many more flyers do you want to draw your attention too?
Kodder Nasser is slimy scumbag and his claims of understanding it to have been a 10 round bout all along and not knowing where people got the idea it was a 12 rounder from is larfable to say the least.
this was fixed by Sonny’s side, typical.
i think he truly may have wanted to beat him him in the ring believing himself to be a boxer but he is not a great boxer, clearly. when this did not happen for him the people invested in him stepped in.
at the end of the day its his reputation and he has to live with it for the rest of his life, just like the Kiwis do.
8 Feb 2013, 22:09 pm
@kaksioek-363:
Lets wait for the outcome of the appeal.
8 Feb 2013, 22:11 pm
@Robzim-364:
Further embarassing the sport is that no-one from the WBA was available for commment after the fight.
8 Feb 2013, 22:12 pm
@Robzim-364:
no Rob, he looked sheepish because the crowd was booing him, repeatedly.
and this when they had cheered for Botha after the announcement.
the shot he took to the head was incidental.
8 Feb 2013, 22:13 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-365:
SBW is obviously no great boxer- that s not the point- i just dont believe al this conspiracy theories.
If Botha takes it to appeal and you are proved right I will apologise to U.
OK?
8 Feb 2013, 22:13 pm
@Robzim-366: What faith should anyone have in the outcome of such an appeal? A boxing association that can allow the number of rounds to be changed during a world championship title fight – in contravention of its own rules – clearly has no interest in fairness or legitimacy.
8 Feb 2013, 22:15 pm
@Robzim-366:
Rob, how do you know that there is an appeal?
8 Feb 2013, 22:17 pm
@I am a stormer-367:
They certainly did themselves no favours. I long for the days of Ali, Sugar Ray and Lewis when boxing was still a sport – nowadays its all watered down with every Tom , **** an Harry being able to call themselves “professional boxers”.
8 Feb 2013, 22:17 pm
@Robzim-369: I want to ask you 4 simple questions:
1. Do you deny that it is in the WBA’s rules that all sanctioned bouts are scheduled for 12 rounds?
2. Do you deny that this fight did not in fact last 12 rounds?
3. Was either fighter disqualified?
4. Was either fighter unable to continue?
8 Feb 2013, 22:20 pm
@Robzim-369:
no worries, Rob
i doubt Botha will get justice though, for all sorts of reasons, so that’s pointless.
i’m just comfortable knowing Botha moered him and the fact they needed to fix the fight in order to save his arse will be there forever.
8 Feb 2013, 22:21 pm
@I am a stormer-371:
I read somewhere that the Botha camp is going to appeal. i just hope they do so that we can get at least some sort of clarity on this mess.
8 Feb 2013, 22:24 pm
@kaksioek-373:
of course he cannot answer these questions without proving himself wrong and you right, in so doing.
yes, the fight was fixed and yes Botha won it however you look at it.
8 Feb 2013, 22:28 pm
@kaksioek-373:
It is pointless for me to deny or confirm anything as i was not present and do not know what was conveyed to the 2 camps before the fight re the rules. Therefore I say lets wait for the outcome of the appeal- if there is no appeal then i will assume there was no “dirty play”
8 Feb 2013, 22:30 pm
On both the Telegraph and The Roar there are comments from people saying that Bet365 refunded their losing bets on Botha defeating Williams.
See for yourselves:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/newzealand/9857676/Sonny-Bill-Williams-fight-against-Francois-Botha-cut-short-by-two-rounds-as-former-All-Black-given-controversial-win.html
http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/02/08/sonny-bill-williams-vs-francois-botha-boxing-live-scores-blog/
8 Feb 2013, 22:32 pm
@Robzim-377: The officials could have told both camps that the bout would be fought for one round underwater in lederhosen – it makes no difference. You cannot change the rules on the fly.
8 Feb 2013, 22:34 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-376:
yeah Bakkies.
The problem is that if the Boks win all is OK for U , if the Bulls win all is OK, if Frans Botha wins all is OK…. but if the other party wins then there is either foul play, a conspiracy or cheating .
I try not to look at sport like that.
At least we dont call each other idiots
8 Feb 2013, 22:36 pm
I am out now… you guys must have a nice evening.
Hopefully the Stormers will beat Boland tomorrow, otherwise I will be devastated
8 Feb 2013, 22:42 pm
This is the most blatant example of trans-Tasman cheating since Bryce Lawrence.
8 Feb 2013, 22:47 pm
@Robzim-381:
cheers Rob
8 Feb 2013, 22:47 pm
@kaksioek-382:
in a way i feel sorry for them.
its sad really.
8 Feb 2013, 22:51 pm
whose them Bakkies?
so all kiwis are complicit In what happened are they? I see you’re back to your filthy cheating kiwis line.
that’s like saying all Saffas agreed with PDv and his comment about a World Cup next year and having to put bums on seats after a loss at Eden park.
pathetic.
8 Feb 2013, 22:54 pm
I asked earlier but no one answered
who were the judges, the ref and the officials?
what are their names?
their nationalities?
if every single one is a kiwi, then you my have basis in your degradation of all kiwis
if they’re not, well who knows then.
8 Feb 2013, 23:01 pm
@the curse-386:
SBW was always ahead on points.
Botha got on top at the end, but too little too late.
I don’t understand why people are attacking SBW.
He has always conducted himself in a humble manner and is a consummate professional since a young age, irrespective of what sport he plays.
He is a brilliant rugby player and anyone who says otherwise must be blinded by bias.
Anyway, just bear in mind not all SA rugby lovers hate the Kiwi sides and players, Jane I hope to believe the feeling is mutual.
8 Feb 2013, 23:01 pm
@the curse-385:
dont kid yourself in making believe this did not matter a lot to a lot of Kiwis.
sure there were some Ozzies who stood to lose too but i would venture it lay more with Kiwis thsn it did Ozzies.
forgetting how i feel for a moment.
how do you feel about all this, Pops.. honestly?
8 Feb 2013, 23:02 pm
@nortierd-387:
@the curse-386:
“Jane I hope to believe the feeling is mutual.”
And not Jane, don’t know where that came from, maybe watching SBW reminded me of Tarzan
8 Feb 2013, 23:03 pm
@the curse-386:
these are questions which surely need asking now, in the light of this clearly fixed and shameful event.
8 Feb 2013, 23:06 pm
@nortierd-387:
dont be a fool, Nortie
round 9 and 10 pretty much did it for him. a standing eight count? are you kidding me? no mntion on the missing rounds? its a larf really.
i dont think i’ve ever seen anything like this happen in my entire life.
8 Feb 2013, 23:08 pm
@the curse-385:
i’m sorry, i take back ‘them’.
but my feelings remain the same, in a way i feel sorry for all or most New Zealanders because of events like these.
8 Feb 2013, 23:08 pm
Sonny Bill Williams is no fighter, this sport of boxing is not his forte he better get out of it fast if he wants to save any credibility he might have left after that fiasco of a WBA championship bout.
His corner was probably giving him bad advice to stay out of trouble and try wear Botha out.. was the wrong advice,.. Botha was the one that got stronger as the fight wore on and Williams started getting hurt already in the 9th that why somebody with plenty money to lose decided to switch the bout duration to 10 rounds from a scheduled 12.
Williams had Botha in some discomfort in the 6th and 7th he should have followed through with some big hits earlier and he may have hurt Botha sufficiently earlier on and perhaps even inflicted a knock out.. but he looked decidedly uncertain of his capacity or convictions and was probably told to keep jabbing and stay out of trouble and try clinch the fight on points.
It turned out a bad strategy if he wasn’t strong enough to beat Botha legitimately through 12 rounds then effectively this fight should be declared null and void.. a totally setup rigged affair is the obvious deduction here.. just like the RWC 2011.
Bookmakers delight …bookies rule the roost in pretty much all sports these days.. none less so than boxing … and soccer … and cricket …and rugby too.
8 Feb 2013, 23:11 pm
@skopdiekan-393:
ja, there was a lot of money to be lost… and pride…
8 Feb 2013, 23:12 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-391:
Bakkies, if he was fighting someone else you wouldn’t have batted an eyelid.
But because it was against an All Black you are using it as your hobby horse.
Botha was groot bek before the fight and took SBW too lightly, to his detriment, and realized too late he had to do something.
Ten to one the whole thing was planned and a sham, who takes boxing seriously nowadays?.
8 Feb 2013, 23:12 pm
Gentlemen do not box.. if you got no killer instinct stay out of boxing else your reputation and your head are going to get hurt.
8 Feb 2013, 23:14 pm
@nortierd-395:
come on Nortie, put my well known dislike of Kiwi rugby aside and focus on the fight and the fight alone.
this was a sham, boet.
8 Feb 2013, 23:17 pm
how ironic that Sonny got into trouble tweeting that the Mundine fight was a sham fix.
he certainly felt strong enough in the courage of his convictions to make a public statement about it.
and now this haha
8 Feb 2013, 23:17 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-397:
Yes it was, as is most boxing matches.
Cooper, in his first fight gets top billing on TV, same a Flintoff, who looked like a giraffe on Prozac in his fight.
Boxing can’t compete with MMA type fighting, they have zero credibility left, so they stage **** like this as pay per view fights
8 Feb 2013, 23:22 pm
The fight was a bit of a handbag affair, no-one seemed to really want to stuff the other guy up
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