Watson leads Kings in show of Force
12 Feb 2013
The Kings line-up to front Griquas is what will face the Force in their Super Rugby debut.
The inspirational Luke Watson is back as captain following a lengthy injury lay-off and the side is considerably stronger than that which has played in previous warm-ups.
Along with Watson, other big names that get starts include Bandise Maku in the front row, Steven Sykes getting a run in the second row and the backline getting a boost with Demetri Catrakilis running the show with Andries Struass and Ronnie Cooke teaming up in midfield.
The bench includes foreigners in Hadleigh Parkes, Nicolas Vergallo and the re-imported ex-Sharks and Bulls player Dan Adongo.
Kings: 15 SP Marais, 14 Sergeal Petersen, 13 Ronnie Cooke, 12 Andries Strauss, 11 Siyanda Grey, 10 Demetri Catrakilis, 9 Shaun Venter, 8 Luke Watson (captain), 7 Wimpie van der Walt, 6 Cornel du Preez , 5 Steve Sykes, 4 David Bulbring, 3 Kevin Buys, 2 Bandise Maku, 1 Schalk Ferreira.
Substitutes : Edgar Marutlulle, BG Uys, Jaco Engels, Daniel Adongo, Devin Oosthuizen, Nicolas Vergallo, George Whitehead, Hadleigh Parkes, Marcello Sampson, Johan Herbst.
By Richard Ferguson
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13 Feb 2013, 00:03 am
I have being the last post on a page
So let me repeat that…
I was born and raised in the eastern cape, so I am glad that top level rugby will again be played there! I will support the Kings and the players and hope they can perform well. I however do not support the idea of transformation, as its offensive and prejudiced. I believe in equal opportunity i.e. a South Africa where anyone can choose to play rugby. But to attempt to racially engineer the makeup of sports teams in South Africa is really one of the aspects that apartheid was hated – yet, Transformation is simply that… Anyway, go Kings
13 Feb 2013, 00:04 am
have=hate*
13 Feb 2013, 00:06 am
@Peter Mkata-194:
Nope, the same “transformation ideology” driven by his political kin f.ucked up EP and now low and behold another one of the same politicians are “building it up again”
If they’ve left it alone and let businessmen and rugby administrators run it as a business instead of politicians use it as ground zero for their social engineering experiments(and run it into the ground at the same time) EP rugby would have been better off now
The managed to qualify for the Super 10 on their own steam after all, no political inerference was needed
13 Feb 2013, 00:08 am
@shooter-197:
Did I? Maybe it is because you are trying so hard to tip toe around the issues at hand. Good Afrikaans expression – jy is ‘n sout piel/draad siter. LOL. I hope you understand Afrikaans.
13 Feb 2013, 00:12 am
for instance, and I know this is not worth a cent… but anyway…
The S15 thing should probably be cut down anyway. The format is somewhat stale. Make it a super 9 again. shorter with 3 top teams.
Rotate the teams every other year and have the three remaining sides play in a north south comp.
Somethings gonna give in future… and all this S15 talk will be (have been) superfluous
13 Feb 2013, 00:18 am
@victoriabok-203: ” If they’ve left it alone and let businessmen
and rugby administrators run it as a
business instead of politicians use it as
ground zero for their social engineering
experiments(and run it into the ground at
the same time) EP rugby would have been
better off now”
the Golden Lions Rugby Union was left to those you prefer – businessmen & rugby administrators – then why is it in more dire straits than EP was?
13 Feb 2013, 00:19 am
@victoriabok-203:
You come accross as someone very bitter person, I hope I am wrong on this score. But, as you will probably know, that is not good for your health and those around you because that bitterness will manifests itself one way or another. You will explode oneday, please go for help before it is too late. Just a suggestion.
13 Feb 2013, 00:20 am
@Peter Mkata-204: whatever… i understand well. did you read my comment after that…?
you are so quick to jump the gun and see the watson haters.
I dont like Luke. because of the way he walks and talks and carries himself. maybe he’s had to learn to walk and talk like that because he is a hero in the eyes of himself and so many others.
feel free to reference soppy stories about team mates and all that.
Random opinion. Nothing deepseated. the same way i didn’t/ or don’t like Tiaan Liebenberg, or Kokckett, or Joe Pieterson, or whoever.
The point I was making…. is that the opinions of people – OF THE KINGS -are directly because of their associated feelings of the Watsons….
So I was asking that question… kind’a rhetoric,,, if people will give the Kings more scope and time of mind if the Watsons weren’t what they were looking at.
And if you look at your response to me,, you sound quite chippy too.
13 Feb 2013, 00:23 am
@shooter-205:
Nope, they’re all making money, they’re making it even bigger in future
I saw it with the NHL, they’ve established franchises in cities in the warmer southern US where hockey’s not well known. The league keeps them alive artificially but overall the more games you play the more viewers you’ll have and the more advertising revenue you’ll get
If a weak team plays a strong one, like the Kings vs the Crusaders, the latter’s fanbase would still watch it
13 Feb 2013, 00:23 am
@Sasori-201: ” I believe in equal opportunity
i.e. a South Africa where anyone can
choose to play rugby.”
can you honestly say a kid starting rugby at Grey Bloem or Michaelhouse or KES has the same “equal opportunity” as a kid starting to play rugby in Ithembelihle High School in New Brighton Township?
13 Feb 2013, 00:23 am
@Transformation-206:
This Vic fellow”s logic ……
Bendingayazi ukuba laa mfo ngumngcatshi omngako ngenene!!
13 Feb 2013, 00:24 am
@Transformation-206:
Like when Luyt ran it perhaps?
13 Feb 2013, 00:26 am
The 99% I was refferring to, was people supporting – IN favour of – the Kings…
smeer botter aan jou eie galg. jy gaan daai ene moet opsoek…
13 Feb 2013, 00:26 am
@Transformation-210:
Or the same chances a white kid playing for Pretoria Tuine, Pta North or Hercules high school has compared to one playing for Affies or Pretoria Boys High?
That’s life, deal with it
Get over yourself
The struggle is over
13 Feb 2013, 00:27 am
@shooter: i heard u the 1st time, peter didn’t get the nuance & thought u were ‘apologising’/making excuses for those who cleary are blinded by their dislike for the Watsons…
13 Feb 2013, 00:31 am
@victoriabok-212: @victoriabok-212: you can’t pick & choose your prefered rugby admins…Manie Reyneke, Jannie Ferreira etc ran the GLRU to the rubbish that it is sans political interference & living in the financial capital of SA. you can’t get more kak than that.
13 Feb 2013, 00:32 am
@Transformation-206:
When Lyut ran it they had money invested overseas, they won several Currie cups and the Super 10 and provided a lot of players to the 1995 RWC winning side
It shows you what a businessman can do
Now let’s see if comrade Cheeky can match it?
Let’s lower the bar, maybe EP could win their first CC with Cheekly in charge?
13 Feb 2013, 00:33 am
@Peter Mkata-211:
Jou ma s’n ook
13 Feb 2013, 00:33 am
@victoriabok-214: if you bring it to me, personally, you’re on a hiding to nowhere Oom…
“equal opportunity”? hhmm
13 Feb 2013, 00:34 am
@Transformation-210: that is socio-economic, nothing to do with race. The same thing happens all over the world, Tranny.
@Sasori-201: EXCELLENT POST! Funny how those who cry about “non-racialism” the most are those on the “transformation” bandwagon. Transformation is racism. Hypocrisy at it’s self-entitled, gravy feeding highest.
Peter Mkata seems stuck in the past. The struggle is over baba.
13 Feb 2013, 00:35 am
@Transformation-215: Thanks.. i think Peter read the first paragraph and decided to slay the watson hater
well.. that was my contribution for the night… G’nite.
13 Feb 2013, 00:36 am
You are living in a dream world if you can’t wait for the day a student at Ithembelihle High School in New Brighton Township has the same education and facilities as someone at Michaelhouse. There’s a reason why one costs a lot more than the other, baba. And as we know, wealth is held in only a minority of the WORLDWIDE populations’ hands. No wit gevaar here baba.
13 Feb 2013, 00:37 am
@Peter Mkata-204: since when did “sout piel” = or equate to “draadsitter”?
13 Feb 2013, 00:39 am
Important thing is that there is NOTHING stopping that Itembelihle student from making a success of himself through HARD GRAFT and one day earning enough cash to send his son to Michaelhouse. Now THAT is true TRANSFORMATION and EQUALITY.
mxm leave your apartheid racial engineering at home baba.
13 Feb 2013, 00:40 am
@Peter Mkata-207:
> You come accross as someone very bitter person, I hope I am wrong on this score
Nope, I won’t be browbeaten by bulls.hit
Just because you and Transie say so doesn’t mean it’s the truth, the Kings was forced onto rugby by politicians(whether they deserved it or not) and Cheeky’s in it for the money, transformation smokescreen or not
It’s like when Hoskins said PdV wasn’t their first choice coach, but was picked as some tranformation window dressing, and you lot tried to spin it to look if he really was picked for his coaching ability
13 Feb 2013, 00:40 am
@Sasori-201:
I was born in the Eastern Cape too and will support the Kings too just like you and hope they stay in super rugby but I doubt because they have been set up to fail. But that is where the similarities end.
You speak of transformation as being offensive and prejudiced. Offensive to whom? Obviously you and the like minded. That is difficult to fathom, considering where we come from as a country. Are you saying by implication that we must wave a magic wand then everything is normal.
That is very offensive and insesitive to all who had to face the brunt of apartheid laws. Are you implying that we move on and not redress the imbalances of the past. If not what do you suggest we do? Transformation, granted, is not a perfect way of addressing those imbalaces of the past.
13 Feb 2013, 00:43 am
@ShaunB-223:
You lack imagination. Close your eyes and think more out of the box. Be creative man. LOL.
13 Feb 2013, 00:44 am
Mkata – transformation is very offensive to me. It is nothing but racism and to suggest that it is somehow acceptable because of the horrid practices of the past, well if you cannot see the irony and flawed thinking in that, then you are too ingrained in Apartheid and the only hope is the youth. Why do you encourage a wrong to redress a wrong?
13 Feb 2013, 00:47 am
@gonzo-190: “quantity vs quality” how can anyone ‘quantify’ something that has been largely marginalised & deliberately ignored? hhmm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1566765/Black-and-white-reality-of-South-African-rugby.html
13 Feb 2013, 00:50 am
@ShaunB-220: “socio-economics” in SA don’t have big racial tinge to them, they organically happened the way they are, no engineering occured? right.
13 Feb 2013, 00:50 am
@shooter-221:
Ok granted, difficult style of writing. Jammer tog.
13 Feb 2013, 00:52 am
@Transformation-229: what has been done about it in the past 20 years?
Whose fault is that?
Are you suggesting that if a talented player hails from the region, he shows no initiative to leave the province? Of course not. So I am sure by now we would have seen some small evidence of the alleged masses of black rugby talent in the EC just waiting for SOMEONE ELSE to do something for them.
13 Feb 2013, 00:53 am
@Transformation-230: heard of the ever growing black middle class? You are part of it mfowethu, you should know. duh.
13 Feb 2013, 00:55 am
@Peter Mkata-231: perhaps it’s your knee jerk racial inferiority complex comprehension rather than a “difficult style” of writing? Eish bra his writing was sharp.
13 Feb 2013, 00:55 am
@Transformation-229:
Really?
2007?
Why not go back to 1957?
Or 1907?
Or even 1895?
I’m sure you’d find more samples to prove your point if you go back even further?
13 Feb 2013, 00:57 am
@ShaunB-223:
Only if it’s a drunk Pom attending the Brokeback Pride parade
13 Feb 2013, 00:58 am
@victoriabok-225: ” the Kings was forced
onto rugby by politicians(whether they
deserved it or not) and Cheeky’s in it for
the money, transformation smokescreen or
not”
oh, just because you spew it all tge wsy from picturesque Victoria we must believe it? you are the polar opposite of ET, equally mal too.
13 Feb 2013, 01:02 am
@ShaunB-232: from VicBok ” It’s like when Hoskins said PdV wasn’t their
first choice coach, but was picked as some
tranformation window dressing, and you lot
tried to spin it to look if he really was
picked for his coaching ability”
do you ShaunB believe PdV when he says Morne du Plessis & Johan Rupert TOLD Hoskins to label him a ‘quota’ coach since he is the “oracle” in your eyes?
13 Feb 2013, 01:05 am
@ShaunB-233: assumptions Shauny
would this “emerging black middle class” be what you call it sans BEE, Employment Equity & those who owned the economy were just left to their own devices? hehehe
13 Feb 2013, 01:06 am
@Transformation-238: stop trying to be facetious. Of COURSE PDV was a quota appointee. Hoskins said so in plain English
Hey bra, anyone – including PDV – can tell the Kings are not the “development” typhoon you and Mkata are thinking they will be…. they are just a team of whities with a few ******* added in the mix for window dressing, just like every other SA team. Exactly what PDV foresaw. Except the Kings want to develop foreign players more
13 Feb 2013, 01:06 am
@Chico the Chihuahua-228:
Chico, it is easy to throw words around. When you holistically address issues you look at the basic cause. By doing that you identify the basic cause and come up with solution. For if not you are going to address the symptoms.
Now in our land there was a legal system that ensured the Black man was down trodden and never equal to the White men to put it crudely. Transformation is, as mentioned earlier, is certainly not a perfect solution. Verwoed said a Black men must not aspire to the whites living standards and must not be taught Maths because it will not serve any purpose because his sole existance will be to be a servant to White people. Laws were made in support of that statement. I know it is not nice to be reminded of these uncomfortable truths but it is important to bring it up so that we can see things in perspective.
You are extremely rude and insensitive to the experience of Black people by equating apartheid to transformation.
13 Feb 2013, 01:07 am
@Transformation-239: of course, by a natural process which would not have divided the country on racial lines as it is today, unless you perceive that blacks have no motivation to better themselves? Heaven forbid.
13 Feb 2013, 01:08 am
@victoriabok-235: on ’07 meyer won his only super rugby title, the boks won their 2nd world cup & that was the REALITY as told in that article…deal with it.
13 Feb 2013, 01:09 am
@Peter Mkata-241: you are extremely rude to the experiences of white people equating transformation with non racialism or acceptability.
13 Feb 2013, 01:09 am
@ShaunB-234:
Inferiority complex? Eish, You are wrong my man. LOL
13 Feb 2013, 01:11 am
@ShaunB-240: @ShaunB-240: so he is not the “oracle”?
13 Feb 2013, 01:11 am
@Transformation-246: read up – even a quota could predict the Kings shambles
13 Feb 2013, 01:13 am
@Chico the Chihuahua-228: how do u propose the injustices of the past should’ve been fixed?
13 Feb 2013, 01:15 am
@ShaunB-242: ” of course, by a
natural process”
put it on the table chap…
13 Feb 2013, 01:16 am
@ShaunB-247: a ‘quota’ as deemed by Morne duP & moneybags Rupert neh?
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