Griquas edge Kings
13 Feb 2013
Griquas got the win but Southern Kings Director of Rugby Alan Solomons got questions answered in his team’s final Super Rugby pre-season outing.
Griquas scored late to win 30-27 and Solomons told Keo.co.za on the balance of performance the right team got the winning result.
‘Pre-season matches are about more than the result but every player and team wants a winning one,’ he said. ‘We did not get enough ball to enforce our way of play and all credit to the effort of Griquas. They dominated the lineout and denied us a platform. It is hard to play any game without ball from set piece and if the boys didn’t know that they certainly will now.’
The Kings historic Super Rugby debut is Solomons’ focus and he said bigger than the result in Port Elizabeth was that captain Luke Watson and lock Steven Sykes got through the match in what was their first appearance after lengthy injury lay-offs.
‘We gained from those objectives in that the players returning from injury got the necessary hit out, but in any sport the objective is to win. That we did not get and we did not deserve a winning result. There has never been any illusion about the challenge in Super Rugby proper but we will be in a position to field a match squad close to full strength. That wasn’t looking possible a few weeks ago.
‘It is a credit to our medical and conditioning staff and to the desire of the players.’
Solomons said he was thankful for the commitment of Griquas and how important the match would be in the mental preparation for the historic season opener in a week.
‘Griquas approached it like it was a Super Rugby match and it was the physical and mental preparation you can’t replicate at training. We’ve got lots to work with in the next week. But take nothing away from Griquas. They came here to win and they did so.’
The Kings play the Force in Port Elizabeth to start their Super Rugby history.
By Mark Keohane
807 Comments
13 Feb 2013, 21:00 pm
RT @keocoza: Griquas edge Kings: Griquas got the win but Southern Kings Director of Rugby Alan Solomons got questions answ… http://t.c …
13 Feb 2013, 21:07 pm
Pain for the EP Dragons
13 Feb 2013, 21:07 pm
RT @keocoza: Griquas edge Kings: Griquas got the win but Southern Kings Director of Rugby Alan Solomons got questions answ… http://t.c …
13 Feb 2013, 21:21 pm
who did not see this coming
13 Feb 2013, 21:22 pm
This domination in the set phases by lowly teams is worrying for the Kings. I still claim these guys have all watched Super rugby, they all claim to understand the demands it places on a team but they have NO clue what is coming their way.
It is like someone believing despite what they are told that they can drive a Formula 1 car – just because they have diced in their suped up Toyota Conquest 1.6 from the traffic lights a few times.
HKGK…..hier kom groot kak !
13 Feb 2013, 21:24 pm
“They dominated the lineout and denied us a platform.”
David Bullbring is super kak – the guppies rejected him – Mitch dumped him along with the other guppy Snyman, saying they both be very kak and not super rugby quality at all. So there goes their lineout.
They will also be turbo reversing all season long – Ross Geldenhuys is another kak player let go by Mitch. funny how he was one of the players the Kings raved about citing his experience – whatever. No scrum for them either.
No set piece ball at all – let the games begin.
13 Feb 2013, 21:24 pm
@KingsRugby-1: Ha ha ha ha….I like the way the tweets keep coming while the Kings are ahead and then suddenly stop after the Griquas first try……was it a blood fest after that ? Were you okes already drowning your sorrows ? LOL !
13 Feb 2013, 21:26 pm
@RL-6: Can you imagine when this lot come up against a potent scrum & lineout ? I got a feeling they will call uncontested scrums for fear okes might not be able to retract their heads when they get pushed backwards through their own poephols.
13 Feb 2013, 21:29 pm
I prefer the News24 headline: “Griquas floor Kings.”
The News24 article is at pains to emphasize that it is the Griquas Vodacom Cup team that beat the Super Rugby Kings, not even the Griquas Currie Cup team.
Oh boy.
13 Feb 2013, 21:30 pm
@Dusky-8: eish eina! that is going to be ugly. I wonder if the coaching staff will be allowed to throw in the white towel – or do a Sonny Bill time trick and call the match off after only 40min – with them only 40 points behind on the scoreboard.
13 Feb 2013, 21:31 pm
“Griquas approached it like it was a Super Rugby match”
BTW Mr Solomons, this was a Vodacom Cup team, nowhere near Super Rugby level.
And just maybe you should have kept Burton Francis, he killed you guys tonight with a try, 3 conversions and 3 penalties.
13 Feb 2013, 21:34 pm
@RL-10: I feel bad for the players. It is human nature to take whatever opportunity that comes your way regardless of whether you are completely qualified or not.
But these guys are going to be praying to throw in the towel with 5 or 6 games left to go. Unfortunately for Cheeky, the rules on the field are applied by the IRB and he can’t just ignore them like he has done with SARU. So his team will have to play for 80 minutes against the Chiefs, Waratahs, Crusaders, Sharks, Stormers, Bulls…..that is eish !
They have no idea. Shame.
13 Feb 2013, 21:35 pm
@Baylion-11: These okes are such clowns. Is Solomons really going to stand up and claim that The Kings weren’t desperate to win this game ?
Is he intellectually inhibited enough to have not considered what would be said if the Kings lose this ?
What a load of absolute toss !
13 Feb 2013, 21:36 pm
Hehe. I love to see spindoctors in action.
I didn’t realise the game happened tonight, and therefore the first I heard of the result was when I read the News24 heading “Griquad floor Kings.”
Only to eagerly pop over here to see Keo write that “Griquas may have got the win but Solomans got the answers he was looking for..”, as if somehow this was a positive result for the Kings.
The only answers Solomans got are that the Kings are nowhere near good enough to play Super Rugby and are going to get absolutely hammered this season.
It’s going to be embarrassing.
13 Feb 2013, 21:40 pm
Great comment on Sport24 from a Cheetah supporter:
“Ek gaan nie die kings spot nie want naka sal n manier kry om ons te laat verloor teen hulle ”
13 Feb 2013, 21:42 pm
Problem is half time the other teams will send on all their replacements and maybe just maybe the ton will be avoided.
Mid season the rotation policy will do wonder for other teams.
13 Feb 2013, 21:43 pm
@Baylion-15:
I seriously don’t understand why people are so critical of Naka Drodske. To me this criticism is based on the unrealistic expectations of deluded Cheetah fans.
The fact is that the Cheetahs punch above their weight every year. If they had a budget approaching that of the Bulls or Sharks, they would be contenders for the play-offs in most seasons.
Naka is doing as well as is possible with the resources at hand.
Naka’s Cheetahs would still klap the Kings home and away, no sweat.
13 Feb 2013, 21:44 pm
@Tacitus-14: Can you imagine if ANY of the other franchises had lost against Griquas Vodacom Cup side ? Can you imagine the panic ? 1 and a half weeks to go before kick off !?
HA HA HA HA HA…..julle is in diep kak Kings. Withdraw, admit you made a mistake and go on your knees and ask the Lions nicely if they will fill in for you. That is my advice.
13 Feb 2013, 21:45 pm
@Tacitus-17: The Cheetahs will by far not be the Kings ‘easiest’ opponent. Not in a home derby. If the Kings are thinking this they are delusional.
Have they not been watching rugby in the Eastern Cape ?
13 Feb 2013, 21:46 pm
@Tuna-16:
More like most teams will send their B teams down to PE to give their top players an off-weekend when they face the Kings.
This will keep most scores below 50. In fact, once the 4 tries are scored even the B teams will probably have a few key players taken off to bring some C team guys on to see out the game. No need to risk injuries in a long Super Rugby season.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a few player weddings have been scheduled for the weekends of the Kings games, as this is the third and fourth off weekends that are available to the SA teams.
It’s going to be a total farce.
13 Feb 2013, 21:49 pm
@Dusky-18:
What was the earlier headline? “Watson leads Kings show of Force..”
Oh boy. If this is the show of Force A team, then the predicament has probably dawned on all and sundry in its full glory now, I would think.
13 Feb 2013, 21:53 pm
cue transie with enough smilies for a gang of clowns
13 Feb 2013, 21:57 pm
This sounds like something Bakkies would have written. An excellent piece of work.
Johannesburg – Former IBF world heavyweight champion Francois Botha says Sonny Bill Williams needs to get back in the ring with the South African if he wants to redeem himself.
“If he wants to regain his honour and win back the favour of the people, he will have to get back in the ring with me,” Botha said on Wednesday.
“There are already talks that the fight will be in December in South Africa and I am hoping for one in Durban.”
This follows their controversial heavyweight fight in Brisbane, Australia, last week when Williams won the bout on points.
A furore broke out after the contest with allegations of match-fixing and doping dominating the headlines.
Australian media reported on Sunday that Botha had tested positive for banned substances Phentermine and Benzodiazepine.
The White Buffalo said he had since undergone his own drug test at the Lancet Laboratories in South Africa, which came back negative.
“I landed in South Africa on the Sunday, and the next day I went for the tests, and it came back clean,” he said.
“I sent the results back to Australia and New Zealand for them to see for themselves.
“The only people who could have done those tests were the Australian Boxing Commission, and they didn’t even do it.”
Shortly after the doping reports surfaced, John Hogg, a member of the Australian National Boxing Federation, denied that he knew anything about them.
Botha planted another counter-blow, claiming he had been offered a $150 000 bribe by Williams’ agent, Khoder Nasser, in a Brisbane park before the bout.
The South African said he had never in his 23-year career – during which he crossed swords with respected heavyweights such as Evander Holyfield, Wladimir Klitchko, Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis – been placed in such a position.
“It is the first time in my life that I have come across something like this.
“Back in 1999 (when he was knocked out by Tyson) I could have thrown a fight and made millions of dollars, but now they want me to do this against this upstart? It is not worth it.”
Botha said reducing the fight from 12 to 10 rounds was tantamount to match-fixing.
He said when they initially started negotiations for the bout, scheduled to take place in November last year, it was agreed it would be contested over 10 rounds.
The fight, however, had been rescheduled after Williams underwent surgery on his pectoral muscle in October 2012.
Botha said Williams’ management had applied for the bout to be upgraded to a World Boxing Association (WBA) International title fight.
“I met with the WBA’s Stan Christodoulou (the WBA representative in South Africa) and he said there could be no WBA title fight with only 10 rounds,” the boxer said.
“So the fight is not legal, and I don’t want the fight on my record anyway.”
He was adamant that he would have won the bout had it gone the distance.
“I was advancing in the last round. I was busy chopping the tree down, slowly but surely, and it was slowly falling. He would not have finished the fight.” – Sapa
13 Feb 2013, 21:58 pm
the kings are going to battle indeed.
i think they will battle to stay up after this season but the foundation will have been layed and if they can stick to building they may just win relegation again in 2015 and become a good team.
that side will be there on merit and hopefully the hatred towards them will dissapate but as with guys like transie taking continual pot shots at the sharks, saffa rugby supporters have long memories.
13 Feb 2013, 21:59 pm
@The Rangerman-22: I think he is thinking up a new nic.
13 Feb 2013, 22:01 pm
Cape Town – The Blue Bulls Company (BBC) on Wednesday announced that centre Jan Serfontein has extended his contract with the union and will remain a Bulls player in the foreseeable future.
Serfontein is one of the brightest young stars in South African Rugby and indeed in world rugby, having being voted IRB Junior World Championship player-of-the-year in 2012.
The 19-year-old midfielder has taken to senior rugby with ease and according to the BBC’s High Performance Manager Xander Janse van Rensburg, they are delighted to secure the extension.
“We have built a very good relationship with Jan since he was a schoolboy and I am happy to see him continuing his career in Pretoria. We obviously rate his ability as a player very high, but we are also delighted to secure someone who is a wonderful team player and human being.”
Serfontein, who hails from Port Elizabeth, said it was an easy decision.
“Home is where the heart is and I am very happy in Pretoria. The Bulls rugby family is indeed a special one and their work ethic commendable, something I want to be part of for the next couple of years.”
Sport24
13 Feb 2013, 22:01 pm
@The Rangerman-24: Do you think there is a plan for EP to be included in the Currie Cup ? Are they going to play their way in through the existing rules of promotion/relegation or are they going to get another ‘kriesmaas box’ ?
13 Feb 2013, 22:02 pm
Butana Khompela and ilk, what say you now?
13 Feb 2013, 22:06 pm
15-visser
14-mastriet
13-small-smith
12-serfontein
11-blommetjies
10-pollard
9-jantjies
8-cooke
7-liebenberg
6-adendorf
5-hatting
4-willemse
3-kirsten
2-mbonambi
1-mellet…. We bold well for the foreseeable future
13 Feb 2013, 22:10 pm
@xtremebull-29: bode well….LOL !
Visser is not a good fullback. The rest I only vaguely know but I hope they are brighter prospects than him or the Bulls are entering a 10 year rebuilding phase.
13 Feb 2013, 22:12 pm
@xtremebull… “bold”? Or bode? Meisiekind would be proud ie bold and beautiful
13 Feb 2013, 22:16 pm
@xtremebull-29:
Arno Botha, Marcel vd Merwe?
13 Feb 2013, 22:47 pm
Give the Griquas their own Super Rugby team- join the campaign!
If you want to expand let’s just call it Super 20
13 Feb 2013, 22:48 pm
well done Griquas…
13 Feb 2013, 22:51 pm
@umfolozi-33: No, lets go back to Super 12. Each country gets 4 allocations. In South Africa the top 4 Currie Cup teams play Super rugby in the next season.
To play in the Currie Cup and earn an opportunity to end in the top 4, you have to win the Vodacom Cup and play two promotion/relegation matches against the team ending last in the Currie Cup.
Very simple and we have 4 South African teams playing Super rugby each year based on sporting principles and not political interference.
13 Feb 2013, 22:51 pm
@Transformation-34: Get used to it
PS: You forgot your smiley face.
13 Feb 2013, 22:55 pm
@Dusky-35: Maara no….hulle wil die kriesmaas box he…..
13 Feb 2013, 23:11 pm
@Dusky-35:
Won’t work, we had to go to franchises as we were playing against combined teams in New Zealand, they were too powerful
I think 1996 was the last time we played as provinces
You can’t have teams in one year and out the next, it takes a few years to build an experienced squad at that level
13 Feb 2013, 23:15 pm
@Dusky-35:
> No, lets go back to Super 12.
The Aussies won’t they like their own domestic competition
We were on the road more and longer than the Aussie en NZ sides during the S12, with the S14 they were on the road longer and it was more fair
13 Feb 2013, 23:17 pm
Yes it takes a few years to build an experienced team at that level
EP been raped of all her players by these money grubbing sophisticated siphoning suctions called Sharks and Bulls so how long it going to take before they prepared to stay and play their rugby at home?
13 Feb 2013, 23:20 pm
@victoriabok-38:
Twak man.
The Sharks Currie Cup and Super Rugby teams are identical.
And show me one Falcons or Leopards player in the Bulls Super Rugby squad.
We are franchises in name only. The teams come straight from the Currie Cup home union.
13 Feb 2013, 23:23 pm
Etv news had Pierre Spies leading the bulls brekers in a rendition of ‘Stand by me’ as a type of associated pick me up morale boosting exercise
Never seen such a pathetic attempt at bewildered brand brokerage anywhere anytime
13 Feb 2013, 23:27 pm
@skopdiekan-42:
Can only be an improvement on the infamous Pink Jersey campaign.
13 Feb 2013, 23:35 pm
Well Pierre Spies can’t sing to save his life I reckon he’s better off wearing a pink jersey than trying to sing stand by me. Same goes for most his team mates they should give up singing as a bad idea at morale boosting and try at least sticking to what they reasonably good at which should be playing rugby. Pierre Spies excluded
13 Feb 2013, 23:38 pm
@Tacitus-41:
Now yes, but those days we had some borrowed players “to give us more depth”, didn’t work that well though
These days the CC starts while the Super rugby is still on so the CC and Super teams are two different teams for a large part of the season
13 Feb 2013, 23:40 pm
@skopdiekan-44:
Tarzan Potgieter was a surprise though, Dewald fancy himself a musician but Tarzan wasn’t too bad at all
13 Feb 2013, 23:43 pm
This is seriously cringeworthy. My god. Dewaldt looked like a forlorn teenager about to burst into tears.
And as for tears. I think there will many.
Let’s cringe again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYRRAvi3cpw&feature=player_embedded
13 Feb 2013, 23:47 pm
Who was the Bulls player waving a white flag in the background? They’ve given up already.
That made me laugh!
13 Feb 2013, 23:49 pm
@I am a stormer-48:
Dit was Oom Wynie se Jockey
Hy wou nie sing nie
13 Feb 2013, 23:50 pm
@skopdiekan-40: Yeah sure…. definitely the Bulls and Sharks fault. Nothing to do with the poor management that happened in that region. Get your head out of your *** man.
13 Feb 2013, 23:55 pm
@victoriabok-49:
Ja, oom wynie. That oke must pop rescue remedy or calmettes by the dozen by the side of the field. Smoking and dopping are strictly prohibited.
Volgende vrydag begin dit alweer. Dit gaan ‘n moerse lank seisoen wees.
14 Feb 2013, 00:02 am
keo
Now that you’re getting your ducks in a row, how about an exclusive cricket thread tomorrow?
If I have to hear skittlesticks once more from skop, I’m going to vomit.
14 Feb 2013, 00:08 am
Skittle sticks is the f’ng pits man it is not a legitimate honest sporting endeavour and beside its downright pathetically boring.
As for EP being poorly managed who gets the credit for that? The current management or the previous
system
14 Feb 2013, 00:18 am
It always saddens me when people in any walk of expertise are lured to offer their loyalty and affection elsewhere from their own home bed of nurturing. All it shows is that money his a far greater appeal to sport participants than the feeling and emotions that should come with representing and contributing to your own regional association first before filling your pockets with the tainted silver that lured you away . Judas Iscariot comes to mind in these instances every time.
14 Feb 2013, 00:18 am
@skopdiekan-53: But blaming the Sharks and Bulls is ok? Who get the credit for that? Any good player will look somewhere else if your region is poorly manage. You think the stars of Monnas etc will look at the Lions in their current situation? Nah… they will go somewhere else. Blaming other unions it’s just silly. Hopefully the EP and Lions can sort out their rubbish.
14 Feb 2013, 00:23 am
@Tuna-55: Of course, the Storming mountain moffies are completely innocent in this. I wonder where po€$ face thinks Peter Grant came from ?
Huh ou suip lap kraal brak ?
14 Feb 2013, 00:25 am
@skopdiekan-54: and kontkop – why are you up after 12 ? You got the p0rn going again tonight ?
14 Feb 2013, 00:31 am
EP trying to dig itself out of a hole it has been dug by system of poor management handed down through incompetence in previous regimes of management not the current one. But the ‘assist’ and encouragement they getting from those who would be the greater losers if EP ever had to become strong enough to hold onto her own grass root bred player base namely Bulls and Sharks is about as much goodwill as Israel asking Iran for assistance in nuclear protection.
14 Feb 2013, 00:36 am
Who asked you pathetic little runaway chickenshit piece of colonic cowardice. You got fckall to say or comment about a nation or country you pathetic little whitey coward turned your lily liver arse and ran away from pisswilly little rancid punk
14 Feb 2013, 00:56 am
@skopdiekan-58: stop saying the same thing over and over again stink hol. Is jy f0kken stupit ? Say something new suiplap.
14 Feb 2013, 00:57 am
@skopdiekan-59: careful, you are almost back to assigning flavours to my a-hole. Almost.
14 Feb 2013, 01:03 am
@skopdiekan-59: Hey Chlamydia – where did Peter Grant go to school swael asem ?
14 Feb 2013, 02:39 am
WELL DONE GRIQUAS!
DOWN WITH THE QUOTA KINGS!
14 Feb 2013, 06:25 am
I’ve been keeping my return back for next week’s clash between the Bulls and the Briesies, but this is just too good to let go….
GRIEKWAS!!!!
Little Lulu Twatson and his fellow honorary quotas must prepare themselves for a rogering of note this season. Their belief in themselves as capable players will be damaged after suffering big loss upon bigg loss to the extent that they will all take up jukskei. Lukie will probably fake a career ending injury after the 2nd game.
Go Bulls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14 Feb 2013, 06:28 am
Haaaahaaaahaaaa!!! Sheeke’ Twatson’s empire mirrors that of the ANC…proof that enforced elitism is nothing more than sheep dressed up as mutton.
14 Feb 2013, 06:48 am
Question: how are we going to do in super rugby?
Answer: HKGK!
14 Feb 2013, 06:55 am
@skopdiekan-58: any other excuses you have to offer?
14 Feb 2013, 07:18 am
@Dilligafrican-67:
He also blamed the Bulls and the Sharks…
14 Feb 2013, 07:21 am
a world of hurt, boys… a world of hurt…
14 Feb 2013, 07:22 am
@Slartibartfast-68: but bulls aren’t meat eaters?
14 Feb 2013, 07:23 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-69: awesome to have a team for my yearly dose of schadenfreude.
14 Feb 2013, 07:35 am
If the duplicous transformers enters and tries to spin excuses, with his usual misinformation, disinformation and fake transformation tell him that this was really the Griquas Vodacom cup team —missing 7 players to the Cheetahs superrugby squad.
Ask him about the missing 7.
14 Feb 2013, 07:35 am
@Dilligafrican-70:
That is what happens when you smoke your greens instead of eating it…
14 Feb 2013, 07:39 am
@Tacitus-41:
not entirely true, Tac
you’re being a little disingenius.
the Bulls field two rather different teams for their CC and Super teams, most often. is it even the same squad they are draw from? or is it to an extent a ‘two part’ squad?
same for the Stormers, no?
14 Feb 2013, 07:42 am
Biffs 100th test in charge of the Proteas today.
Simply magnificent.
I love the smell of linseed oil in the morning.
14 Feb 2013, 07:45 am
Who did the kings supporters support prior to this competition?
14 Feb 2013, 07:45 am
@The Rangerman-22:
8)
14 Feb 2013, 07:46 am
@Dilligafrican-76: nobody!
14 Feb 2013, 07:49 am
@gunther-75:
I thought 100 was last week?
I know if he wins he will overtake that little **** from Australia with the most wins as captain…
14 Feb 2013, 07:50 am
@Dilligafrican-71:
‘wry interest’ is the state of mind with which i will approach the Kings matches.
at the end it wouldn’t surprise me if they win a newly created ‘Sports Ministry’ award or two, possibly even a bonus of some sort.
the inaugural ‘Perseverence In Adversity Award’ for the 2013 Super Rugby season goes to….
14 Feb 2013, 07:50 am
@Dilligafrican-76:
50/50 Stormers Crusaders
14 Feb 2013, 07:51 am
@Dilligafrican-76:
Transformation was an ardent Sharks supporter…
14 Feb 2013, 07:51 am
@Slartibartfast-79: That 100 included one as captain of a world XI.
14 Feb 2013, 07:52 am
All the wishing wide eyed witous reveling in the trials of the downtrodden shows the state of their jaundiced deflection of design. It’s good to witness the raving intention of antitrust because at least the lambs entered into the arena of tribulations
can be under no illusions as to where their real
14 Feb 2013, 07:52 am
@gunther-81:
Now it is 50/50 Kings Crusaders
14 Feb 2013, 07:53 am
@stormer in a teacup-83:
Aha well congratulations yet again Biff, hope you roll them quickly again.
14 Feb 2013, 07:54 am
@Transformation-78:
now now, that’s not entirely true.
do tell us about your admiration for Wayne Smith and the crusaders style of play, again?
14 Feb 2013, 07:55 am
“can be under no illusions as to where their real”
Skop fell off the back of the bakkie it seems…
14 Feb 2013, 07:56 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-87: I’m all ears!
14 Feb 2013, 07:57 am
@Slartibartfast-79:
Last week included a test as captain of the international team.
This week is the real deal.
All hail the biff.
14 Feb 2013, 07:59 am
@Transformation-78: kakprati!
@Slartibartfast-88: out of airtime.
14 Feb 2013, 07:59 am
@Slartibartfast-86: Yes, successive hundreds. Well done.
14 Feb 2013, 07:59 am
@Slartibartfast-82:
really?
what happened there?
14 Feb 2013, 07:59 am
@gunther-90:
Yip amazing record no matter how you look at it…would not mind a 100 from him in his 100th test as captain.
14 Feb 2013, 08:02 am
I’m still trying to figure out what’s more funny – the Kings’ ‘performance’ against the Griquas Vodacom Cup outfit – and at home, nogal! – or Keo’s ‘Comical Ali’ attempt to put a positive spin on an inept performance overflowing with serious skaam. Your ‘credibility’ – if ever such a thing existed at keo.co.za- is shot, Mark Koehane. And as for the Kings…ah well, that’s what you get when entitlement overrides merit.
14 Feb 2013, 08:04 am
@stormer in a teacup-92:
Amazing!
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-93:
You will have to ask him…
14 Feb 2013, 08:09 am
@BrumbiesBoy-89:
yes… yes indeed… when Transie waxes lyrical it truly is a sight to behold. it is a sight of ‘arresting envelopment’ and i have not seen him wax the lyrical in a while, come to think of it.
its almost like listening to cool rap beats drenched in funky house tunes with soothingly spoken but hard hitting, evocative, ‘spoken word’ lyrics washing all over you…
14 Feb 2013, 08:12 am
to be fair, Transie did call a Griquas win though.
14 Feb 2013, 08:16 am
Maybe the kings will forfeit their participation as a late redrawing due to the fact that their common sense just prevailed and will ask for inclusion in the varsity cup
14 Feb 2013, 08:16 am
Oscar Pistorius shot his girlfriend this AM thinking she was a burglar
14 Feb 2013, 08:18 am
@Dawn-100:
omg!
14 Feb 2013, 08:18 am
@Dawn-100:
The burglar story is only speculation. Haven’t there been problems between them before?
14 Feb 2013, 08:20 am
I don’t know David, just read it on Twotter!
14 Feb 2013, 08:23 am
@David-102:
yes, it does immediately raise a few suspicions.
did he not know she was going out and expected to be back at 04:00?
14 Feb 2013, 08:27 am
@Dawn-100: Sad sad story.
14 Feb 2013, 08:28 am
@Dawn-103:
Remember reading a story of him threatening to break Mark Barchelor”s, former soccer star, legs for running after his girl. Is it the same lady?
Very sad.
14 Feb 2013, 08:29 am
I’m not buying that story. Burglar indeed.
Lets wait this one out.
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14 Feb 2013, 08:31 am
@Joe Maher-95:
Not quite so lippy about Biff now are you?
Chippy little ******.
14 Feb 2013, 08:31 am
terrible story either way.
14 Feb 2013, 08:33 am
@Dawn-100: Tragic. On valentines day as well.
14 Feb 2013, 08:33 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-110:
Well whatever it is its certainly a novel approach to Valentines Day.
14 Feb 2013, 08:36 am
Talking of that Bulls song.
Anyone remember this steaming **** of an team song?
You’d think every team in the land would avoid players singing at all costs after this effort.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXCLZEhI8X8
14 Feb 2013, 08:36 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-110:
Latest update from 702 says that Oscar is saying he thought she was an intruder. So that’s going to be his defense. 2 shots.
14 Feb 2013, 08:37 am
eish…kak one…..at 1st take it sounds a bit dodgy I must say.
14 Feb 2013, 08:39 am
@gunther-112: sorry but I had to laugh at that one
14 Feb 2013, 08:40 am
@David-114:
Double tap.
14 Feb 2013, 08:41 am
Must be a very concerning result for the the Kings.
I imagine they would have been taking this game forgranted and as a result not exactly the confidence boost they would be looking for before superrugby starts.
Ironically, I do believe a win in their opening game against the Force in PE is not beyond the realm of possibility.
14 Feb 2013, 08:41 am
Horrible news. That legless fcker nearly crashed his sponsored Hundai into a truck a few years ago while turning Rivoina road in a rage incident. You don’t do such things when your name is on the side of the door.
I don’t buy his Quade Cooper burglar excuse, obviously a very angry man with psyco tendencies.
14 Feb 2013, 08:44 am
@gunther-112:
love hurts.. ?..
@David-114:
how do you not know when your girlfriend is out for the night? were they living together? no, its wierd.
14 Feb 2013, 08:44 am
@RL-119: Didn’t he cause kak on the vaal dam a little while ago too?
14 Feb 2013, 08:44 am
@gunther-112: She should’ve jumped the gun?
Sorry.
14 Feb 2013, 08:48 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-74:
That’s a different argument. The fact that the Bulls or Sharks don’t have their full squad available for the entire Currie Cup does not refute in any way the fact that the entire Bulls and Sharks Super rugby squads come from their home union.
Meaning that the franchise concept is a myth, since none of the franchise players come from any outside unions. There is no “amalgamation of unions” to strengthen the franchise.
Hence, it is perfectly reasonable to have the top 4 Currie Cup teams just progress to Super Rugby. In the case of the Cheetahs they can use a Cheetahs/Griquas franchise, no problem, but there’s no need for that amongst the Bulls or Sharks, and probably not for the Stormers either.
14 Feb 2013, 08:49 am
@RL-119:
my feelings too.
i’ve always felt he’s a doos, going by the things he’s done in public, and have never liked him much, if at all.
14 Feb 2013, 08:49 am
Look I don’t want to jump the gun as it were but from my days as a navy seal we used the double tap to make sure the target stayed down.
Seems odd.
14 Feb 2013, 08:50 am
@bakkies: calm down squire, i can admire a coach’s ideas without being a fan of the team he coaches eg. hawies fourie is a favourite of mine.
ufo swears that jk is the TRUTH but he is not a Blues fan now is he?
Kings RULE!
14 Feb 2013, 08:53 am
@gunther-125: ja this story will go on for a while yet, with lots of speculation and rumor.
As you say, we’ll just have to wait this one out.
14 Feb 2013, 08:54 am
@Dilligafrican-91: no joke, since 2005 i have NEVER supported any Super Rugby Franchise!
14 Feb 2013, 08:58 am
It’ll be interesting to find out which room the shooting occurred in, and whether Oscar sleeps with his legs on.
14 Feb 2013, 08:59 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-124: don’t like him either – first time I saw him in the flesh he was acting all windgat and agro towards a poorly educated truck driver.
May he rot in prison.
14 Feb 2013, 08:59 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-98: repear that again Bakkies
98. i_love_u_bakkiesbotha said:
14 Feb 2013, 08:12 am
to be fair, Transie did call a Griquas win
though.
it’s warm-up games
14 Feb 2013, 09:00 am
Every year the bullshit around the State of the Nation Address gets worse.
The entire ******* place is at a standstill.
Now is the time to rob a bank.
14 Feb 2013, 09:01 am
@Transformation-131:
On a more serious note, how many wins do you predict for the Kings this year, Transie?
14 Feb 2013, 09:01 am
@David-129:
How else would he put his slippers on?
14 Feb 2013, 09:01 am
@Tacitus-123:
yes i agree, the Bulls and Sharks Super squads come from the home unions, this much is true.
however, you did alluded/insinuate that the Sharks pick the exact same players in the exact same teams to play both Super and CC rugby from a wider squad, no?
you also said this for the Bulls.
also, it’s worth stating that a great many, in fact probably a majority, of those players who now make up the Bulls wider squad/s from which the Bulls CC and Super teams are drawn were brought into the Bull union from outside of their ‘traditional’ player bases/feeder areas.
is this any different to the concept of a franchise area in which players from one or two unions are picked?
14 Feb 2013, 09:03 am
@gunther-132: I like the way you think.
14 Feb 2013, 09:03 am
@David-129: if he had time to put his legs on and arm himself (excuse the pun) then I do not buy that “I was taken by surprise by a burgalr story).
14 Feb 2013, 09:03 am
@Transformation-131:
Indeed.
I’m sure you guys will turn it around.
14 Feb 2013, 09:05 am
@Transformation-131:
warm up games?
warm up to what?
you dont really believe this stuff, do you?
14 Feb 2013, 09:05 am
@stormersboy-136:
Hail to the Thief.
14 Feb 2013, 09:06 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-135:
Yes, because all the players are contracted and owned by the Bulls, as opposed to the Bulls only getting them temporarily during the Super 15.
And should they wish to, and injuries and national call ups permit it, they could potentially have their full Super Rugby team running out in a Currie Cup final.
14 Feb 2013, 09:07 am
@gunther-140: We take our cue from our leaders.
14 Feb 2013, 09:07 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-139:
Warm up to their relegation battle with the lions.
They’ve got 14 more scheduled.
14 Feb 2013, 09:11 am
@gunther-143: I predict that there will only be a promotion/regation game should the Cheetahs by some stroke of bad luck finish last in the SA Conference.
Should they not finish last SARU will once again come up with a c.ck-and-bull story and shift the goalposts again.
14 Feb 2013, 09:12 am
@Tacitus-133: 3 or 4.
14 Feb 2013, 09:14 am
@Tacitus-141:
so your sticking point are contractual specifics and degree of ownership, then?
two things which could easily be dealt with in the same way the BBC does now.
they would only do that well after the fact of the Super season ending so its moot or pointless, or both, to state that. intentionally, there are two different teams from ‘almost’ two different squads competing for the Super as well as the CC titles.
and rightly so, these are two equally important trophies for the Bulls and they do compete to win both.
14 Feb 2013, 09:15 am
@stormersboy-142:
Transie says we get the leaders we deserve.
You’ve clearly been a very bad little boy.
14 Feb 2013, 09:15 am
@Tacitus-141: I’ve said the same thing each year. 4 teams max,and let them earn it,
14 Feb 2013, 09:16 am
@Transformation-145:
OK, fair enough. Thanks for the honest prediction.
My honest response is that I think that would be a miracle outcome, if achieved.
Still, it’s good to know what the expectations are.
14 Feb 2013, 09:16 am
@gunther-143:
oh i see.
this is sensible i suppose but i dont think they’ll win the promo/releg games, judging by the strength of the Lions. it would be a surprising upset if they did.
14 Feb 2013, 09:17 am
@gunther-147:
14 Feb 2013, 09:19 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-146:
No, to break it down to its simplest parts, if the Bulls win the Super 15, I don’t want to share the glory with whichever unions added 1 or 2 players to the so called “franchise”.
I want that glory all for the Bulls who in the hearts of the supporters is no different to the 75 year old team with the red flower on the shirt.
This distinction between union and “franchise” is bogus. It’s the same brand, and the same set of supporters, same home ground. Same team.
14 Feb 2013, 09:20 am
@gunther-147:
every single afircan country ends up with these kinds of leaders.
i guess all of africa’s been bad then.
(rolling eyes smiley)
14 Feb 2013, 09:21 am
@gunther-134:
14 Feb 2013, 09:22 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-139: warm up to our debut Super Rugby season doofus…
you reckon the Bulls didn’t play warm ups when Meyer was coach and LOST all their games in 2002?
’97 – finished 8th
’98 – 11th
’99 – 12th
’00 – 11th
’01 – 12th
’02 – 12th
in that SIX years the Bulls played 66 games & only won 10 drew 5
hou jou fokke.n bek
14 Feb 2013, 09:24 am
@Transformation-155:
Ah, but bakc then the Bulls were still better than the best SA team that didn’t qualify for Super Rugby.
The same cannot be said of the Kings, who are worse than the Lions, and worse than the Griquas Vodacom Cup team. At home in PE nogal.
14 Feb 2013, 09:27 am
@Tacitus-149: well which of the “expansion teams” has ever won more than 6 games in a season – force, rebels, lions, cheetahs.
14 Feb 2013, 09:30 am
@Tacitus-152: The Stormers/WP are the same. We do not make the distinction. Peter Grant plays in Japan during the CC, so there is him I guess.
14 Feb 2013, 09:30 am
@Tacitus-152:
The fact that it’s bogus is due to the lack of control by SARU, and some unions greed. EP and Border broke away from the Coastal Sharks as did SWD from the Stormers, because the Sharks and Stormers were busy enticing their top players to join their unions. Even Griquas had threatened not to continue as part of the Cheetahs bid due to a similar problem with FS Cheetahs.
14 Feb 2013, 09:30 am
@Tacitus-156: Any idea of the “crowd” attendance?
14 Feb 2013, 09:34 am
@BrumbiesBoy-160:
No idea. Ask Transie.
14 Feb 2013, 09:35 am
@Tacitus-152:
ok, thanks for simplifying your position.
may i point out to you that your view is very similar to the ‘mercenary’ English who bus players in from all corners of the globe simply put a white jersey on them and then laud their strengths as successes as a union. it’s having your cake and eating it and if it works for you, fine.
i appreciate and respect your steadfast loyalty and allegiance to the Bulls as a union though.
14 Feb 2013, 09:35 am
The Stormers lost a warm up game, the real tournament starts this weekend.
14 Feb 2013, 09:38 am
@David-159:
“EP and Border BROKE away from the Coastal Sharks”..?..
you have a way with words.
14 Feb 2013, 09:38 am
@stormersboy-163:
Yeah, but against another franchise. Unfortunately SARU has screwed the Kings by their late decision that prevented them from signing some stronger players.
14 Feb 2013, 09:39 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-162:
What’s the alternative? Limiting players to those who grow up in Pretoria?
You realise we have like 4 or 5 good rugby schools, to the 10 or 20 in the Cape?
This is the modern age.
If you bring a guy in at age group level – (18-21 years), that’s as homegrown as it’s going to get.
Fact is, the Bulls are not a Pretoria brand. I’ve been in Pretoria only about 5 times in my life, and I’m a lifelong staunch Bulls fan.
The Bulls are quite entitled to recruit from anywhere in SA, as their support base stretches across the entire SA – and right into Namibia, as a matter of fact.
14 Feb 2013, 09:41 am
@Tacitus-156: the Cheetahs won the “Reconciliation Cup” thry must be favourites to top the Conference.
14 Feb 2013, 09:41 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-164:
They did. The myth that the Sharks bought them out, is just that. The Sharks only paid for the rights to hold all the games at Kings Park. It was only when the 5th franchise came available that EP and Border decided not to continue with Sharks and put in their own bid with SWD.
14 Feb 2013, 09:42 am
@Transformation-155:
oh ok.
the Bulls were still in the comp deservedly Transie as you may remember it was determined by Promo/Releg which teams would get to play Super Rugby back then.
as a matter of interest i will compare the Kings scores in their first year to the Bulls scores in theirs.
14 Feb 2013, 09:49 am
@Tacitus-156: ” Ah, but bakc then the Bulls were still better
than the best SA team that didn’t qualify
for Super Rugby.”
they were still s.hit in Super rugby as the above results clearly show…there’s no qualification for Super rugby FRANCHISES in SA or in NZ
14 Feb 2013, 09:49 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-169:
The Bulls qualified once and EP once.
14 Feb 2013, 09:50 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-162:
yes no doubt Ryan Giggs would much preferred to have been playing on a mud patch in Swansea yesterday evening than for MU in the Bernabeu.
Because, you know…that is where he is from,innit?
14 Feb 2013, 09:50 am
some people.. especially those with ardent deprecating glee at the expectant imminent demolition of the EP Kings aspirations in super rugby .. have a relatively short spate of memory retention in terms of their own indestructible and worthy super rugby franchises
cast your denial driving minds back a little to these awesome results
1999
Bulls played 11 – won 1
Cats played 11 – won 1
2000
Bulls played 11 – won 1
Sharks played 11 – won 1
2001
Bulls played 11 – won 2
2002
Sharks played 11 – won 4
Cats played 11 – won 1
Bulls played 11 – won 0 (points scored 232 – points against 500)
2003
Sharks played 11 – won 3
Cats played 11 – won 2
2004
Cats played 11 – won 1
2005
Cats played 11 – won 1
Sharks played 11 – won 1
2006
Cats played 13 – won 2
Force played 13 – won 1
2008
Cheetahs played 13 – won 1
Lions played 13 – won 2
2009
Cheetahs played 13 – won 2
2010
Lions played 13 – won 0
2011
Lions played 18 – won 3
Rebels played 18 – won 3
2012
Force played 18 – won 3
Lions played 18 – won 3
Lions / Cats have had over a decade to pull themselves off the floor which they were unable to do
through the early part of S12
Sharks, Bulls, and Cats were consistent bottom rung performers
Bulls and Lions the only two teams in the competition ever to return Zero win results in a single season
All Kings gotta do is beat Force next week and they already 100% better performers in their inaugural super rugby year than Bulls of 2002 or Lions of 2010
So keep wishing the worst on this team of abject no hopers.. because some of the previous no hopers who were afforded the leg up that these same no hopers are unable to afford the team representing the very antithesis to their own inept prior performances.
14 Feb 2013, 09:51 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-169: @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-169: ” Transie as you may remember it was
determined by Promo/Releg”
who did they play in the “promo/releg” games in 2002 the year they lost all their games?
14 Feb 2013, 09:52 am
@Transformation-170:
The point is the merit by which the weakest SA team is given a Super Rugby berth, as you well know.
Seems to me the Pumas or Leapards will put up a better show in the Super 15 than the Kings.
By your logic, just because the Pumas don’t win a game, you might as well put the Griffons or Border in their place. Irrespective of the fact that the Pumas are BETTER than Border or the Griffons.
It’s about deserving to be there. Once you prove that you are better than any other contender that missed out, then there can be no argument against the fact that you deserve to be there.
14 Feb 2013, 09:53 am
Why am I seeing so many guppie apologists cruising round this site? Reporting, blogging, poncing around….?
HG won’t like this. Sharksworld guppies stealing his ‘brothers in arms’ thunder.
14 Feb 2013, 09:54 am
@David-159: That’s not true. The Cheetahs and Griquas had their differences, but it was rarely about players. Many of the players with Griquas was lured to Kimberley through the Cheetahs franchise.
Griquas have a large say in the Cheetahs franchise, as does the Griffons with each union having 3 directors in the Cheetahs franchise management.
14 Feb 2013, 09:56 am
@skopdiekan-173: hehehe skop kicking a.ss & taking names…
14 Feb 2013, 09:59 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-162: give all the EP and WP (and FS players) back to their respective union then let see what a powerhouse of God given rugby your almighty hail Heyneke union is.
Same goes for Sharkshits
14 Feb 2013, 10:01 am
@Tacitus-175:
Transie will never understand your “Deserving/Merit” argument and stance.
He’s from the “Entitlement” team.
Anyway, the Bulls being superkak at superrugby 10+ years ago is as relevent as Griqualand West being CC powerhouses in 1900.
In my opinion there is no evidence or history to suggest that EP will ever be a rugby powerhouse on the SA landscape. Throw as much money at the problem as you want. youngsters will still flock to the academies of durban pretoria and cape town and real quality seniors will never sign for the kings because they do not want to get drilled every week and damage prospective international call ups.
The best they can hope for is to become the “western force” of our rugby landscape.
in my opinion anyway.
14 Feb 2013, 10:03 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-180: Good post.
14 Feb 2013, 10:03 am
We back on this hamster wheel again
14 Feb 2013, 10:04 am
@Tacitus-175: such muddled thinking
” The point is the merit by which the weakest
SA team is given a Super Rugby berth, as
you well know.
Seems to me the Pumas or Leapards will
put up a better show in the Super 15 than
the Kings.”
really, is that why the EP Kings beat both in 1st Div Currie Cup last year?
FYI “merit” has NOT been used to determinevwho plays Super Rugby in SA since 2005 so just shove that idea
14 Feb 2013, 10:06 am
@skopdiekan-179:
what kak….
As I already said….as if Ryan Giggs would have preffered being in Swansea playing on a mud patch last night or Ronaldo playing for Porto and watching the game on the telly last night.?
No wait…..George Gregan would much preffered to have had his international career with Ghana or whomever the hell it was?
Or Skalk Burger would much rather be playing for Boland…because he is from the wine country and not the southern suburbs?
basically, your argument is twak.
14 Feb 2013, 10:07 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-180: something you learnt from your grandparents i bet
14 Feb 2013, 10:14 am
laughable how people who were raised within & beneficiaries of SHELTERED EMPLOYMENT, education, finance are now the most vocal on merit having to be the criteria.
in 2006 nobody was talking merit, everyone just shut up when hoskins destroyed the Spears franchise, today all grootbek hehehe
14 Feb 2013, 10:18 am
@Tacitus-166:
no, of course not.
this is, as you say, the modern age and everybodies doing it.
i just think its not much different and really much of the sameness if the BBC management were to similarly utilise players from a ‘franchise catchment area’ in the same way. all it requires is the right ‘contractual specifics and determination of ownership’.
besides, if the Bulls win the Super Competiton, as they have before, i doubt there are many, if any, Falcons celebrating.
on that note, how many of the crusaders are actually from Christchurch, ditto the Chiefs? i’m just curious, although of course they do utilise franchise systems, i would be interested to know how many of their players come from outside of even that, in a given year.
@David-168:
ok, i will have to revisit some of this info.
for now i take your word for it.
14 Feb 2013, 10:19 am
If it were based on one season relegation / promotion system as so many are gleefully touting now.. and as it was done only once in 1997 when Stormers didn’t qualify as a result of a weak CC in 96
Then Lions would have been out long time ago… so too Cheetahs ..
and Bulls would have been out the back door in 1999 2001 or 2002
Spears should have been included in 2006-7 instead of Saru doing an abrupt about turn and perhaps by now they may be retaining some of their own home bred talents instead of them being consistently siphoned off to the highest bidder between Bulls or Sharks or WP
14 Feb 2013, 10:19 am
Happy Valentines Day
14 Feb 2013, 10:22 am
@David-171:
there you go.
@Brigadier Van Zyl-172:
no Brig, the point i’m trying yo make to Tac is that i agree with both contractng players from regions outside of a given teams player base/home ground AND the concept of a franchise area from which to draw players in to the given unions squads/teams if it helps the union compete better.
i agree with you.
14 Feb 2013, 10:23 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-172:
but i also say franchising is a good thing too.
14 Feb 2013, 10:23 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-180: ” In my opinion there is no evidence or
history to suggest that EP will ever be a
rugby powerhouse on the SA landscape.
Throw as much money at the problem as
you want. youngsters will still flock to the
academies of durban pretoria and cape
town”
there’s no evidence to the contrary either! the brumbies from canberra were s.hit in ’11, the blues from auckland were s.hit in ’12, the lions from joburg have been s.hit for more than a decade. – all capital city teams.
14 Feb 2013, 10:23 am
@Transformation-186:
Sheltered employment?
Leave Captain Cunteye out of this.
14 Feb 2013, 10:24 am
@Transformation-185:
please, don’t start. Almost every African country is a fckup of monster proportions.
If it’s not Idi Amin eating people, or Mugabe sending his wife to scape the last few sheckles of Zim’s exchequer together for her Hong Kong shopping trip. We have the Rwandans hacking each others arms off with machetes or the Congo and Angolan’s playing tik-tak-toe with landmines left by the never ending civil-war-a-year-athons. Oh, wait…our very own president showering his hiv away after adulterous *** and the many other laughable examples of his.
so never mind my grandparents, infinity higher up on the common decency ladder than yours.
thanks.
14 Feb 2013, 10:25 am
@skopdiekan-173:
thank you Skop, i will post the full first year stats for the Bulls when i have time.
it is interesting to compare the two teams, no doubt.
@Transformation-174:
lets not split hairs, Transie
14 Feb 2013, 10:25 am
Are Bulls brawling with each other
14 Feb 2013, 10:25 am
I’m grateful that Alan got his questions answered but in the words of the songwriter: “There are more questions than answers,” especially regarding the Kings.
14 Feb 2013, 10:26 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-194: wtf you doing in this hell hole siphoning off the system.. you should be back where you belong where you would be so much better off and far far happier…
14 Feb 2013, 10:27 am
@skopdiekan-179:
come on, Skop
life doesn’t work that way anymore.
it’s modern times and everybodies doing, even the Kings
14 Feb 2013, 10:32 am
@Transformation-192:
hold on, i said the SA landscape.
Don’t compare the Brumbies and aukland with the Lions or even more laughably ….PE.
14 Feb 2013, 10:32 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-187: ” ok, i will have to revisit some of this info.
for now i take your word for it.
nothing to “revisit”, that is the truth…you like arguing without providing facts…only when SANZAR allowed SA the 5th franchise did Border EP leave the Coastal Sharks franchise, SWD leave the Stormers franchise, the Cheetahs left the Cats franchise!
EP were NEVER bought out of the Coastal Sharks, let it sink in Bakkies
14 Feb 2013, 10:36 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-199: everybody is doing it because money rules and traditional sporting allegiances come second to money grubbing mercenary business..
that why you got crooked refs and crooked systems and crooked betting syndicates and crooked competitions and crooked administrators because money comes first and home based sporting allegiances come last
14 Feb 2013, 10:37 am
@skopdiekan-198:
well, apart from being one of the 10% odd of the population actually contributing to the fiscal dynamic of SA and paying tax , I am one day hoping to bump into you. And find out for myself how tough and morally fckupadilly upstanding you are face to face.
If you are indeed Jack Black behind a keyboard….or Quasimodo?
14 Feb 2013, 10:38 am
@skopdiekan-198:
because this country would fall apart otherwise.
as much as you have it in for ‘the man’ and by rights have many good reasons to say and be so, why cant you also admit that our principle strength is our racial and cultural diversity?
blaming everything on apartheid is becoming such a tired excuse really.
14 Feb 2013, 10:39 am
@David-168: “The myth that the Sharks bought them out, is just that. The Sharks only paid for the rights to hold all the games at Kings Park.”
The Myth?
You mean “paying for the rights to hold all the games at Kings Park” is categorically not “buying them out”?
Fucksakes… Your attempts at spin just make you look disingenuous at best, and a farken liar at worst…
14 Feb 2013, 10:43 am
@Transformation-201:
ok, so the accepted view is that EP chose to go it alone then?
ok.
14 Feb 2013, 10:44 am
@skopdiekan-202:
are you saying we should return to an older way of doing things as far as sports teams and where the players hail from are concerned?
14 Feb 2013, 10:44 am
@skopdiekan-202:
what bladdy planet you from? You sound communist to be fair. As if everyone working elsewhere other than where they wer born is a money grabbing mercenary.?
the Zimbo’s and Nigerians will not like that. Or the somalians.
Oh wait, what about a doctor from, say, PE….who wants to start a practice in Joburg? Is he also a money grabbing mercenary OR some oke just coming up with the best plan to earn a living?
Or the best example…..what of all the Xhosa’s in Cape Town? Also money grabbing mercenarys? Why aren’t they back in PE and EL ? Or wait…you are from the Cape right? Didn’t I read that you located to Joburg? What’s that all about?
you are one kind of nutjob.
14 Feb 2013, 10:46 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-200: Auckland were once the NZ powerhouse who won the comp in its early stages year upon year.. Canterbury down at the Bottom.. same with Brumbies and Reds doing about turns up and down the ladder from top to bottom
Your Bulls were the WORST performing SA franchise for 3 whole years of diabolical performances.. so your Bulls should have gotten the CHOP if your cutthroat principles you like to administer to others you would be so eager to administer to your own.
If EP had the financial clout to retain the Serfonteins, Bassons, Kirchners, Ndungane’s, Potgieters, Engelbrechts, Mapoe’s, Stegmans, etc. that you buy up off Craven week they would be at the top of the system and your franchise down where it rightfully belongs.
How does that clout come about, through which austere form of fiscal financial artistry?
14 Feb 2013, 10:46 am
Just heard that Oscar Pistorius shot his girlfriend at 4 this morning, mistaking her for a thief! How tragic! Condolences to the family of the deceased.
14 Feb 2013, 10:47 am
@skopdiekan-202: The only reason that WP has rugby talent anyway is due to historic entrenchment of whitey exclusivity… Whether through Afrikaans Universities or National Service enticements to force rugby players away from other provinces…
This myth of exclusive or superior talent in the Western Cape is due to apartheid and perpetuated now by the DA – the same party with the NP as political DNA… Demonstrated by Godzille calling South Africans refugees in their own country, this superiority now extends to rugby… What next – Rugby refugees…?
How ironic… You Cape fools are imprisoned by separate development:
- The Superior Western Cape WP – exclusively Cape blonde talent
- Now the Bantustan Eastern Cape Kings
Trapped in the past mofos…
14 Feb 2013, 10:47 am
@skopdiekan-188:
truth is, i would support a permanent promo/releg system in the SA Super conference. it would make it more interesting i think.
14 Feb 2013, 10:47 am
Got my tickets for the Bulls vs Stormers game on Friday 22nd. Can’t wait.
14 Feb 2013, 10:52 am
@skopdiekan-209:
dude, it is not about the financial clout of PE in my opinion as I have already written.
It is the fact that a kid would rather be a Bull/Stormer or even Shark (evil) than be a King.
14 Feb 2013, 10:53 am
@Gumboots-213:
bladdy hate these friday night games.
Wish they were all at Loftus on a Saturday after noon at 15:00.
14 Feb 2013, 10:55 am
@skopdiekan-209: Talk about worst performing…
At least the Bulls were actually there in Super Rugby…
The Superior Western Cape wasn’t… Their Christmas Tree wearing team werent farken good enough to play…
Real Super Rugby Johnny come latelies…
Still chuckle at their “Men in Black” campaign, a blatant copy of the Sharks, because they were so embarrassed at their own Christmas Tree jerseys…
Also ironic because the “brains” behind the Stormers “MIB” was none other than Bob Skinstad…
the last time I checked – this WP “legend” went to school at Hilton College… and his Pops is a Doc in Gillits…
Now I dont know of any Hilton College and Gillits in Cape Town… Maybe Im just mistaken…
14 Feb 2013, 10:55 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-215:
Yip I have to agree. Have a few at Eastwoods and watch the earlier game and then off to Loftus on a Saturday a win win situation. Anyways that is the draw and I have my tickets anyway.
14 Feb 2013, 10:55 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-207: I’m saying money has ruined the traditional allegiances that should be the backbone of what sport is essentially about.. sport should be about participation for altruistic and patriotic principles.. not about personal monetary gain above all else..
that is why the Olympic games and international WC competitions is the epitome of world sport participation because tat is when the true reflected moral achievement of an individual is measured toward the uplift of his patriotic altruistic ideal representing the country or region he hails from..
professional sporting allegiance has eroded that.. club sport participation which is essentially what this professional franchise business is about is a superficial ideal compared to national or regional or home based allegiance.
14 Feb 2013, 10:55 am
Just because Oscar is levels doesn’t mean he’s unarmed
14 Feb 2013, 10:58 am
@Gumboots-217: Burger and beer special followed by a few more beers and down the road to Loftus…..what a day!!
14 Feb 2013, 10:59 am
@Dilligafrican-219: legless even
14 Feb 2013, 11:01 am
I think Kevin de Klerk is still sitting with a boner
14 Feb 2013, 11:02 am
I await the Kings first game with glee…
They play the Force…
This should be the King’s best and probably only chance of a win in the entire campaign…
If the Force fuckthemup…?
Actually, it might become feasible to cancel the rest of the Kings fixtures due to health and safety concerns for the poor players involved… especially after the 3rd or 4th 100 pt score rogering they take…
14 Feb 2013, 11:05 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-222: I am too to be honest…
This season is going to be fun on Keo…
Especially for Transie… Fark the poor fool gonna be rogered all season long for the sake of his embarrassing team…
So much so he might actually turn into an ntombi… Who knows, maybe Rossi might have to turn lezzy to come right with him from this season forward….
14 Feb 2013, 11:07 am
@Heavens Game-216: WP were excluded in 1997 ONLY.. that year being the ONLY year that the S12 participation was awarded to the top 4 finishers in the CC of 1996 when Cheetahs took their place as a result of them finishing higher in the CC. Northern Transvaal, Natal Sharks and Transvaal being the other 3 SA representative teams.
Prior to 1998, South Africa did not use a franchise system for the Super 12, instead sending the top four unions from its domestic competition, the Currie Cup, into the Super 12. In 1996, the Stormers qualified and competed in the Super 12 as Western Province. In 1997, they did not qualify, the 4th South African team being the Orange Free State
The same years that Bulls were systematically coming stone last in the competition went as follows:
1999 Stormers finished 2nd overall, 2001 they came 7th and 2002 they came 7th
14 Feb 2013, 11:10 am
@skopdiekan-218:
yes, those really nice and laudable ideals and principles, Skop
unfortunately i think we are too far gone to be able to go back.
the best thing is to deal with it the best we can and strive to keep as much of the ‘old’ principals alive as possible.
14 Feb 2013, 11:11 am
WELL DONE GRIQUAS!
DOWN WITH THE RACIST TRANSFORMERS.
14 Feb 2013, 11:12 am
@Heavens Game-224: Yip. These Kings boytjies are in for a tough one and to be honest they are being laughed at because of their management and his little puker.
14 Feb 2013, 11:13 am
@skopdiekan-225: ” WP were excluded in 1997 ONLY”…
You are a farken liar at worst, fantasist at best…
Here we go… The proof:
1993
Pool A
Auckland
Natal
Western Samoa
Queensland
Otago
Pool B
Transvaal
New South Wales
Northern Transvaal
North Harbour
Waikato
In 1994, New Zealand were represented by NPC champions Auckland, along with Waikato, Otago and North Harbour. South Africa were represented by Currie Cup champions Transvaal, along with the Natal Sharks and Eastern Province. Western Samoa were once again the representatives from the Pacific Tri-Series.
Only in 1995 did the WP johnny come latelies actually participate in Super Rugby…
And lets not mention the other years of non participation….
BWAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAA….
Farken dumbfuck
14 Feb 2013, 11:15 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-203: you still in the wrong continent you hate it here with a vengeance.. so wtf you actually doing here? you pat yourself on the back at what an upright contributor you are at upkeep of your status quo yet you still hang around as if you are a morally superior martyr for punishment.. if you so despondent at the surrounding gloom of inefficient debauchery facing you daily.. then leave.. wtf is actually keeping you here?
14 Feb 2013, 11:16 am
@ShaunB-227:
14 Feb 2013, 11:16 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-228: Not only the management and his puker but for the blatant lies for their inclusion…
- this little stadium money making scheme and cash siphon
is painted by SARU as development and “transformation”
The people of the EC are suckers in this one…
Poor sods…
14 Feb 2013, 11:19 am
@Heavens Game-232:
i forgot all about that shady stadium business.
can anyone shed more light on that, please?
14 Feb 2013, 11:21 am
Apparently Oscar shot his bird 4 times?
Sheeshkebab.
14 Feb 2013, 11:22 am
@Heavens Game-232: The whole manner in which these dose wormed their way into Super rugby is rotten to the core. I dont give hoolla hoopin’ fark how poor the Lions were.
14 Feb 2013, 11:23 am
@Heavens Game-229:
you talk absolute garbage man where were Canterbury Crusaders or FS Cheetahs or ACT Brumbies or Wellington Hurricanes in 1993 .. it was based on what principles of participation then? They also all johnny come lately’s in your fck’d up estimation?
With the launch of the Super 12 in 1996, both Australia and New Zealand adopted franchise-based models for their provincial teams that were to compete in the new competition.
However, the South Africa teams were to be determined by the results of the previous season’s Currie Cup, with the top four sides gaining entry in the Super 12. Newlands did see Super 12 competition during the era when this model of competition was used, with the Western Province gaining promotion for the inaugural season of 1996. However, the team did not perform that well, winning only three matches from 11 fixtures, and finishing second last on the table, though Transvaal and the Wellington Hurricanes both won the same amount of games as the Western Province, they finished higher, due to a superior for and against.
14 Feb 2013, 11:23 am
Stanis are in pieces.
14 Feb 2013, 11:23 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-235: And so say lots of us.
14 Feb 2013, 11:25 am
@Heavens Game-211: Are you and skopdiekan related?
14 Feb 2013, 11:29 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-235: Yes… Farken crookery to the core…
From Saru to Cheeky to Puke via Stadium management and franchise funding…
14 Feb 2013, 11:31 am
@skopdiekan-236: Super 10 – super rugby, no?
A fib is a fib my little Vegan “kenner”…
You just been Punk’d fuckface…
14 Feb 2013, 11:32 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-214: ” dude, it is not about the financial clout of
PE in my opinion as I have already written.
It is the fact that a kid would rather be a
Bull/Stormer or even Shark (evil) than be a
King.”
Sergearl.Pietersen – craven week player of the tournament – has chosen to be a KING over the Bulls, Sharks & WP… EISH
14 Feb 2013, 11:34 am
@cosca-239: Nope… I am a real African… Not one of these Nimby Cape “oh so superior” pretend Europeans who reckon they are the shining lights of liberalism when back at the ranch they call South Africans in their own country refugees for daring to breach their self defined Fish Dorpie exclusivity…
14 Feb 2013, 11:37 am
@Transformation-242: “Wow”…
Even the son of WP’s “Prince of Wings” preferring the Sharks over WP cant compare to that….
You spinning yourself shitless like a farken top, Doctor…
14 Feb 2013, 11:41 am
Please keo, would you please make your predictions for the weekend so that I can pick the other teams.
14 Feb 2013, 11:42 am
@Transformation-242: Career limiting move….pity
14 Feb 2013, 11:43 am
@Heavens Game-244: Eina…that one had to hurt.
14 Feb 2013, 11:45 am
@Heavens Game-244: fyi jean-luc was overlooked for paul jordaan’ brother & another youngster
the Sharks were an option where he can get gametime & not his first choice, who is spinning now?
14 Feb 2013, 11:48 am
@Heavens Game-211:
should we highlight how much ‘rugby talent’ your marauding bunch of mercenary mogul managers of deception bring through the ranks of the KZN hotbed of rugby breeding one more time for the record..
Dale Chadwick – KZN
Allan Dell – EP
Jannie Du Plessis – FS
Wiehann Herbst – GP
Tendai Mtwawarira – ZW
Julian Redelinghuis – GP
Craig Burden – KZN
Kyle Cooper – GP
Peter Dixon – ZW – KZN
Bismark Du Plessis – FS
Monde Hadebe – KZN
Franco Marais – GP
Anton Bressler – NBA
Peter Steff Du Toit – WP
Jandre Marais – FS
Peet Marais – FS
Franco Vd Merwe – WP
Willem Alberts – GP
Jacques Botes – GP
Marcel Coetsee – KZN
Keegan Daniel – EP
Jean Deysel – FS
Ryan Kankowski – EP
Francois Kleynhans – KZN
Lubabalo ‘Tera’ Mtembu – EP
Charl Mcleod – GP
Cobus Reinach – FS
Patrick Lambie – KZN
Riaan Viljoen – GP
Meyer Bosman – FS
Paul Jordaan – EP / FS
Francois Steyn – EP / FS
Tim Whitehead – EP
Lwazi Mvovo – EP
Odwa Ndungane – EP
JP Pietersen – WP
Sibusisu Sithole – EP
Louis Ludick – GP
Gouws Prinsloo – EP
1 prop
3 hookers
2 flanks
and 1 fly half..
That is the sum total of your home bred Johnny come lately KZN contribution to your sharkshit foreign legion mercenary team – 7 players from a squad of 40 players – less than 20%
The rest are all bought in merchandise .. now do the same for WP and see the difference
If all the EP and FS players went home then Cheetahs and Kings would kick your johnny come lately backsides all the way back to sport Pienaar VC status back where you belong.
14 Feb 2013, 11:49 am
@Transformation-248: So you trying to say Du Plessis Jr is no longer at the Sharks, and maybe never was there…?
Or just another top spinning lie…?
Fark, do you also lie to yourself after waking up and then looking in the mirror, Chumi….
You cant help yourself can you?
14 Feb 2013, 11:52 am
HSSM: Most people were surprised by your
decision to sign for the EP Kings when all
of the big four franchises (Sharks, Bulls,
Cheetahs, and Western Province) were
after your signature. Could you tell us why
you chose the EP Kings?
Sergeal Petersen: I feel like I should give
back to what this province has done for
me over the past years, so I think starting
here and maybe ending up at a bigger
province is better option then starting at a
bigger province then moving back here.
14 Feb 2013, 11:54 am
@skopdiekan-249: Oh, now you change the subject… From one fib to yet another lie…?
So, Bob Skinstad, Province legend is a born, bred and solely educated Capetonian…?
Hmmm, thats news to me…
Also news to me Rob Kempson, Andy Aitken, and Peter Grant were born and bred West Kaapenaars…
You farken lie…
and lie
and lie…
And it doesnt surprise me in the least, coming from the godless farken blasphemous heathen you are…
Fark, you not even a Kapie… The way you carrying on my little Springs vegan, you could be classified as a card carrying Uncle Tom soon…
14 Feb 2013, 11:57 am
Ja because all the Griquas top players have already move on to their super rugby sides..so it was a Griquas B side! haha
14 Feb 2013, 11:58 am
@Transformation-251: Sergeal who?
Oh, sergeal the brilliant Craven Week player… like Ishmael Dollie… or Earl Rose…
Farken laugh out loud…
You Kings farken lying excuses for rugga supporters are grasping for anything and everything to try and justify your bantustan franchise, ne?
While real honest rugga supporters and players watch and larf their a.rses off… which they will do all season long…
BOOM!
14 Feb 2013, 11:58 am
what a tragic shame about oscar pistorius.
that bird was a knock-out hot.tie of note.
drop dead gorgeous.
14 Feb 2013, 11:59 am
@skopdiekan-249: all that shows is that a vast number of Proffesional rugby players recognize the Sharks as the best team to play for.
14 Feb 2013, 11:59 am
Morkel handing out the pain.
14 Feb 2013, 12:00 pm
@ShaunB-227: @BrumbiesBoy-238: check these two colonial last outpost remnants licking each others behinds… at the glee expressed in Kings trials and tribulations when their silver spoon fed gobs are filled with the rankling denigration they only reserve for those that are not of their high moral whitey status of incorrigible contempt.
More colonialists that don’t belong in Africa..I wonder how come they all gather together on rugby websites in this darkest continent of white is right self righteous moralists…
This other Rhodesian renegade another riding under the radar of imperialist inflamed hypocrisy
14 Feb 2013, 12:00 pm
@charo-255:
ermm…
that last line was not meant to be a joke…
sorry.
14 Feb 2013, 12:00 pm
@charo-255: sy kak is geboek it seems. Gaan sukkel om sonder bene uit ‘n tronkstort te hol.
14 Feb 2013, 12:05 pm
@Heavens Game-250: read properly pilgrim
2012-08-18 14:15
Cape Town – Western Province have
signed two SA Schools flyhalves, Pieter
Jordaan (Free State) and Ryno Eksteen
(Blue Bulls), with the duo set to further
their rugby careers in Cape Town from
the start of 2013.
Jordaan, the 2011 SA Schools flyhalf,
and Eksteen, a current member of the
SA Schools set-up, were both in action
at the 2012 Craven Week tournament in
Port Elizabeth and great things are
expected of them in the future.
Eksteen was the leading points-scorer
at the 2012 Craven Week and helped
his team, the Blue Bulls, to victory in
the unofficial final against the Golden
Lions. Despite the treacherous
conditions on the final day, Eksteen
displayed an excellent amount of
composure and control from the crucial
flyhalf channel.
Jordaan, the younger brother of SA
Sevens and Under-20 star Paul, has
showed his value as a team man
throughout 2012. He has been playing
at centre for his school, Grey College,
which saw him selected in the midfield
at Craven Week and, ultimately, cost
him another crack at SA Schools
selection. However, he will be coming to
the Cape as a flyhalf, first and
foremost.
“We’re very happy with the line-up of
young players we have set to join the
Institute next year – it’s a talented
bunch of players,” said Jacques
Hanekom, the head of the WP Rugby
Institute in Stellenbosch, who also
confirmed that WP had secured the
signature of No 8 Steven Meiring, who
was a key man for the Bulls at Craven
Week alongside flyhalf Eksteen.
Jordaan, Eksteen and Meiring will all be
based at the WP Rugby Institute in
Stellenbosch from next year, as they
take a step up in their ‘rugby
education’, and Hanekom added: “All
these players were in high demand
across the country, so we’re excited to
have them coming to Cape Town and
looking forward to developing their
rugby even more.”
Paarl Boys’ High School scholar, Jean-
Luc du Plessis, has opted to further his
career in Durban with the Sharks -
despite being offered a place at the WP
Rugby Institute next year, as well as a
WP contract – but the arrival of Jordaan
and Eksteen, and the presence of Tim
Swiel and Dillyn Leyds, means there will
be plenty of talent competing for the
coveted No 10 jersey in Cape Town in
years to come.
Both Swiel and Leyds are still Under-20,
but are currently key members of the
DHL WP Under-21 team competing in
their provincial competition.
jean-luc chose the Sharks cos it will be easier to crack it rather than fight it out with Eksteen, Jordaan…
14 Feb 2013, 12:08 pm
@Heavens Game-243: you no African you escaped convolution of Imperialist Briton .. you no more an African than Lord Kitchener or Cecil John Rhodes or Hendrik Verwoerd or PW Botha was you dumb displaced colonialist whitey.. stop bullshitting yourself and all those that come anywhere within a mile of your balderdash bullshitting hypocrisy..
14 Feb 2013, 12:09 pm
@Transformation-261: bloody mercenaries.
14 Feb 2013, 12:09 pm
@Heavens Game-254: @Heavens Game-254: laugh all you want, itvwon’t change that we’re in the comp
we been laughing
14 Feb 2013, 12:09 pm
@Transformation-261: Sorry, my original point was exactly this:
“Paarl Boys’ High School scholar, Jean-
Luc du Plessis, has opted to further his
career in Durban with the Sharks -
despite being offered a place at the WP
Rugby Institute next year”
Thank you for proving it
Fibby, fib, fib… Keep reaching umfanawami…
14 Feb 2013, 12:10 pm
how is this relevant to the story!!
14 Feb 2013, 12:10 pm
@skopdiekan-258: It’s feeding time…shut up and go eat your lentils…there’s a good boy.
14 Feb 2013, 12:11 pm
Cant believe, in this day and age, okes are still going on about where players came from and that they think its a big deal.
14 Feb 2013, 12:12 pm
@Transformation-251: and what type of exposure to big rugby is this kid going to get getting faaaaked for 80 min every weekend…… not a smart choice by the young man.
14 Feb 2013, 12:13 pm
@skopdiekan-262: Fark, I tell you one truth amongst all your blustering bullshittting balderdash, is that I and farken every poster on this site – whether in foreign or domestic lands outside the Cape bubble, are more African and indeed Saffa than anyone posting from that Fish Dorpie of faux European sophistication and exclusivity…
That includes you my little Springs Capie Uncle Tom…
14 Feb 2013, 12:14 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-267: Can’t. He needs to finish his third longdrop for the morning and then it’s on to the afternoon shift..
14 Feb 2013, 12:14 pm
@charo-259: Don’t worry, I’m sure you didn’t mean it that way.
But you are right, there was an article on her in last week’s Sunday Times together with a picture…can only think that this terrible incident was sparked by jealousy.
14 Feb 2013, 12:16 pm
@Heavens Game-243: I think that you are trapped in a fantasy bubble,a Walter Mitty character.
14 Feb 2013, 12:16 pm
@Heavens Game-265: and i said THE SHARKS WERE NOT HIS FIRST CHOICE, he only went there after seeing the COMPETITION at WP both Jordaan & Eksteen are rated more than Jean-luc who has his father’s name as his claim to fame
BOOM SHAKALAKA
14 Feb 2013, 12:17 pm
Sergeal Petersen a true heart and soul bred patriot.. not like these other little colloquial colonial cork-suckers who come priding themselves they are the born and bred heartbeat of their last outpost sell out buy in franchise bought through blood money by the brainless brigands of foreign legion festoons of fallacious superficiality.
14 Feb 2013, 12:17 pm
@John Galt-268: Yip that really boggles me as well. Who gives a flying fark. I couldn’t care it the whole Bulls team was born and bred in Slaapstad.
The only thing it will mean is there might be more places in Hatfield catering fot the ‘not so manly’ customer.
14 Feb 2013, 12:18 pm
@skopdiekan-275: Jy nou weer n fokking Oxford ingesluk vanmore?
14 Feb 2013, 12:19 pm
@Heavens Game-254: what “exposure” were jantjies & taute getting LOSING all 13 games with the surrendermonkey Lions?
14 Feb 2013, 12:21 pm
@Transformation-274: So, in your roundabout way, what you are really saying is that my point stands, and yours doesnt really count.
Pleas take note. This is not an Eastern Cape tender evaluation… Dont make your problem mine…
BOOM!
14 Feb 2013, 12:23 pm
@Transformation-278: Hahahaha… You are reaching and grasping for anything and everything now…
Whatever the Lions may be – surrendermonkeys or not… The fact is, they are a better team than the Kings…
Fancy that…
14 Feb 2013, 12:25 pm
@skopdiekan-275: I reckon a bullshittting pseudo sabra is about as indigenous African as Bin Laden was Catholic…
14 Feb 2013, 12:29 pm
@gunther-234: Yes unfortunately I don’t think he has a leg to stand on.
14 Feb 2013, 12:30 pm
@Transformation-251:
“so I think starting
here and maybe ending up at a bigger
province is better”
doesn’t sound too patriotic to me?
14 Feb 2013, 12:30 pm
@cosca-273: you think?
Sheezus… “you think” you are important?
Whoosa Walter Mitty now….
14 Feb 2013, 12:31 pm
Pollard was a loss to WP,but not du Plessis I think..
14 Feb 2013, 12:33 pm
haha a win against the Force…are u high??
14 Feb 2013, 12:33 pm
@cosca-285: There you go “thinking” again… Oh dear…
14 Feb 2013, 12:34 pm
@monkeyballs-286:
In a nutshell… beyoodiful…
Transie is now spinning like a farken Yoyo…
14 Feb 2013, 12:34 pm
@stormersboy-282: tough to walk away from something like that.
14 Feb 2013, 12:36 pm
@Heavens Game-281: I never claimed to be in any way African.. you did.. and all these other white skinned apologists of imperialist apartheid strewn rugby still pretending they are ‘African to the root and core of their souls while back at the ranch they HATE anything African with a slimy limey atrocious vengeance..
in all my sabra Semitic east European conglomeration of genetic confused genealogy I can still claim to have more kinship with my adopted habitat Africa and her indigenous true African inhabitants than you and your pseudo bunch of ‘white Africans’ can in any amount of months of Sundays.
14 Feb 2013, 12:40 pm
@Dilligafrican-289:
Indeed. Must say, his lass was a stunning girl. Saw some photos on one of the channels. How someone can mistake that for a robber is quite a mystery.
14 Feb 2013, 12:40 pm
@stormersboy-282:
@Dilligafrican-289: Legless drunk?
14 Feb 2013, 12:41 pm
@Heavens Game-279: no my little Zimbo c.ocksucker
Sergeal signed for the KINGS over guppys, wp, lions, bulls FACT
buy you had to come in & be juvenile about it:
244. Heavens Game said :
14 Feb 2013, 11:37 am
@ Transformation-242 : “Wow”…
Even the son of WP’s “Prince of Wings”
preferring the Sharks over WP cant compare
to that….
You spinning yourself shitless like a farken
top, Doctor…
sergeal.”craven week player of the tournament – jean-luc “son of wp prince of wings”
is that ALL there is to know about jean-luc?
14 Feb 2013, 12:43 pm
@Heavens Game-280: better at losing 13 games yeah
14 Feb 2013, 12:43 pm
WP fcked up.. they should have left Jantjies to run off to the Sharkshits.. they should NOT have bought that second rate FH from PTA Eksteen and they should not have run after Jordaan UNTIL they had signed up Pollard and J L Du Plessis..
bad trade buying Jantjies, Jordaan and Eksteen and losing Du Plessis and Pollard in the process.. very poor horse trading by the WP suits.
However the end result is as it is and now they must punt on with Jordaan.. he is the one that can be the pivot for the future.. forget Jantjies and Eksteen and run with Jordaan and Swiel must stick at FB.
14 Feb 2013, 12:44 pm
@victoriabok-45:
“These days the CC starts while the Super rugby is still on so the CC and Super teams are two different teams for a large part of the season”
Nou praat jy kak man!
14 Feb 2013, 12:47 pm
@Transformation-293:
14 Feb 2013, 12:49 pm
patriotic?! hehehe he’s signed a 3 year contract with the KINGS and as he says wants to give back to the union what for what they did for him…it’s jail.
as patriotic as that sharks product barritt was neh?
14 Feb 2013, 13:05 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-292: bad run of luck
14 Feb 2013, 13:08 pm
Just heard that Oscar Pistorius slept with a machine gun as well as a 9mm handgun.
14 Feb 2013, 13:14 pm
@cosca-300: If the cops don’t have sufficient evidence against him he’ll walk
14 Feb 2013, 13:21 pm
Nike may want to review their ad with Oscar? – the one that says “I am the bullet in the chamber”
and Bullet for my valentine’s wikipage has allready been modified to show Oscar as lead vocals….didn’t take long did it?
Sad ending for a very pretty girl.
14 Feb 2013, 13:32 pm
@Dilligafrican-301: The State will oppose bail this afternoon because the police had been out to his address on a number of occasions for domestic violence.
14 Feb 2013, 13:32 pm
@skopdiekan-290: You, my son, are a Capie apologist… An Uncle Tom…
Nevertheless, this white as snow, blue-eyed aryan is still, definitely more african than you will ever be…
Sorry to say, but you just cant be – no matter how many kays you walked on the Caprivi preventing swartgevaar in your meat eating youth…
14 Feb 2013, 13:34 pm
@Transformation-293: You in such a topspin now you clearly mistaking me for Rossi…
14 Feb 2013, 13:36 pm
haha skopskiet you old fa r t.
what makes you “more african” than the rest of the whities in sa by virtue of you being jewish?
(sits back, clicks knuckles and waits, this should be good har har)
14 Feb 2013, 13:37 pm
@Transformation-298: Barritt was a victim of “Transformation”…
Good on him for cracking on and succeeding in the mother country when the country of his birth wouldnt consider him because of the colour of his skin or because he wasn’t Capey enough…
14 Feb 2013, 13:38 pm
if being a mercenary means not plying your trade in your place of birth then snoeky is farked hahahahaha.
14 Feb 2013, 13:39 pm
and as for his jibes regarding saffas who have moved overseas to work go, by his own admittance his son lives and works in italy.
what now?
14 Feb 2013, 13:39 pm
@The Rangerman-308:
Look even on a good day Cunteye doesn’t ply much of anything.
14 Feb 2013, 13:40 pm
@Heavens Game-304: There is no such thing as an aryan,Walter .
14 Feb 2013, 13:43 pm
@cosca-311: Yes, cocksack, I am sure you maybe right… But this time you forgot to “think”, therefore maybe you could be wrong…
Aryan Africans… Of course you get them… They running around everywhere…
PS. Welcome to my fan club… A welcoming Noddy badge on its way in the post, just for you
14 Feb 2013, 13:43 pm
@gunther-310: single ply snoeky
14 Feb 2013, 13:44 pm
@cosca-311: wtf are you on about?
thats like saying there is no such thing as an african.
stupid comment.
14 Feb 2013, 13:45 pm
@Heavens Game-312: Thanks,Walter.
14 Feb 2013, 13:46 pm
@Heavens Game-307: Hello Virgil. What say you about the guppie invasion round here? All your little friends from the guppie tribute site pulling in
I’m looking forward to some good Shark on Shark action….
14 Feb 2013, 13:46 pm
” Barritt was a victim
of “Transformation”
bwahahahaha is francois steyn a player of colour? that is the player that snatched barritt’s spot at 12 in d.ick muir’s team
14 Feb 2013, 13:47 pm
@The Rangerman-309:
They guy just probably wanted to go to a place where he could eat a steak in peace.
14 Feb 2013, 13:48 pm
@cosca-311:
The term Aryan originates from the Sanskrit word ?rya, in origin an ethnic self-designation, in Classical Sanskrit meaning “honourable, respectable, noble”.[3][4]
forget the rest of your argument because its meaningless what meaning people have assigned tot he word, much the same way as one of the ways i define myself is as a spearfisherman, aryan is originally a self-designation so if HG wants to be an Aryan then you cant stop him can you now?
14 Feb 2013, 13:49 pm
@gunther-318:
surprised he went to a place with so many wet noodles though.
14 Feb 2013, 13:49 pm
@The Rangerman-314: Correct .Studies,undertaken by esteemed world professors,concluded that there is no true race in this world ,but only ‘the human race.We are all basically a mixture of different cultures.
14 Feb 2013, 13:50 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-316: Dunno about guppies and their supporters, but this poster is a Sharkie through and through…
If you talking about Sharksworld winkies then bear in mind the moment they started slating Plum and punting Jimmy Stonehouse as the next Sharks supremo thats when I even stopped reading their codswallop…
I mean FFS, Megatron aka Transie, was one of their “star” writers…
BOOM!
14 Feb 2013, 13:53 pm
@cosca-321: but aryan is an ethnic, not racial, designation?
the opposing argument to your theory is taht we are all africans because africa is where we originated.
so yes, there are africans and yes there are aryans.
they are simply terms that bind certain groups identtity much like samoans, kiwis etc etc.
14 Feb 2013, 13:53 pm
@Transformation-317: You sure about that, Transie?
Not 10… or 15, before 12?
Was Fransie even there when Barrit was around?
Sheezus…. and you are one of Sharksworld’s star writers… I would have thought you would be an expert by now
14 Feb 2013, 13:54 pm
@cosca-321: “esteemed world professors”….
You “think”?
As my new No 1 fan, you cracking me up cocsac… Heheheheheheh
14 Feb 2013, 13:58 pm
@Heavens Game-322: They are here HG….they are here….and they are reporting for this site.
Sharksworld winkies in the house……
Hark, I hear a BOOM.
14 Feb 2013, 13:58 pm
@cosca-321: wtf is that load of k uk anyway?
there is no race in this world blah blah blah.
of course there is.
no matter how many kiddies my wife and i pop out, none of them will be black buddy.
that bs of trying to sidestep the fact of racial difference is just as bad as trying to justify racial superiority in my book, its lefty liberal bs hand wringing.
14 Feb 2013, 14:01 pm
@cosca-321: anyway, what you jumping on HG for when he claims he is aryan?
why dont you go have a little chat with snoekskiet, the oke is more hung up over race than the national party was.
14 Feb 2013, 14:02 pm
@Heavens Game-304: @The Rangerman-306: you two little displaced colonialists priding yourself on being “african” go pull another cork out your keg of bewildered misplaced colonic idiocy .. you ain’t african by the hair of your lily white heads and never in a thousand generations will you ever possibly be.
who you trying to kid you dumb fck fools.. yourselves or who exactly?
Barritt ran and ducked for the mother country same way as you two colonic bred misluks should do.. thats where you belong in mother hubbards country.
14 Feb 2013, 14:04 pm
that is correct there is no such thing as race its you dumb fck whiteys that still think you f’ng superior than the rest of humanity
fck of back to your aryan roots if that where you think you hail from.
14 Feb 2013, 14:05 pm
@The Rangerman-320:
Maybe he likes to be reminded of home.
14 Feb 2013, 14:06 pm
While I don’t like the fact that the Lions were replaced by these palookas, it does have it advantages for SA teams.
Most of us will have a guaranteed 8 points extra (though Ludekak might find us a way to lose), and possibly another 2 for tries scored.
Also, instead of only 14 hours travel for most overseas teams, they now land in old Lions land, and still have to do another 2 hours extra towards P.E.
So, since we’ve had to make peace with it, the positives are many.
14 Feb 2013, 14:07 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-326: Farkenhell… Saw Oz Bryce calling them “happy clappy’s”
Fark me…
Looks like we really gonna see holier than thou worse than skopskiet proselytising about legumes on a good day…
Invasion of the guppies truly… The Jimmy Stonehouse fanclub…
But this poster remains a Shark…
Supporting Black and White…
Dynamite…
BOOM!
14 Feb 2013, 14:08 pm
@skopdiekan-329: “go pull another cork out your keg of bewildered misplaced colonic idiocy ”
“you two colonic bred misluks”
14 Feb 2013, 14:08 pm
@The Rangerman-327: you’re a racist .. a bullshitting racist and no amount of hand wringing denial is gonna change you from what you think you are not… same as your rhodesian pushpig escapee .. same type racist who likes to think he’s superior while bullshitting himself he’s a white ‘african’ with zero racist tendencies. f’ng bullshitters alike.. you wouldn’t know a non racist if you had to trip over one and kick its head in inadvertently.
14 Feb 2013, 14:11 pm
@Ho3n3r-332:
10 points are as likely as 8.
14 Feb 2013, 14:12 pm
@skopdiekan-330: Bliksem but you can for like to be deur die kak.
1st you say there is no such thing as race, then you classify them as whiteys?
ookmaarlekkerfokkinstoopid…..
so, the arayn loks just like an asian, an aborigine or an inuit?
14 Feb 2013, 14:14 pm
@skopdiekan-329: The only colonic idiocy here is when you open your mouth and make a post pretending not to fib…
This is my continent… My country… You must fckoff back to yours somewhere east of the Sinai where you can while away your days eating figs and picking olives where you belong…
Like I do here…
Africa is for Africans… And I am African…
14 Feb 2013, 14:16 pm
@skopdiekan-329:
So being born on the African Continent doesn’t make you African?
You clearly are the weakest link………goodbye
14 Feb 2013, 14:17 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-334:
misluks also had me chuckling
Skop is such a larf sometimes
14 Feb 2013, 14:18 pm
@skopdiekan-335: Talking about bullshittters and bullshittting…
Can I just remind you of the post that said something to the effect of “Stormers/WePee only ever missed Super Rugby in 1997″
Fark… Thats about as honest as a sabra from springs saying hes never touched bacon…
14 Feb 2013, 14:20 pm
@Dilligafrican-337: race is a derivation of what? what determines one persons race as ulterior to another? and what gives anyone the inclination to assume that their race is superior to another.. which is happening here on this blog, in this society and in every walk of human life day in and day out, minute in and minute out?
people pretend to be non racist when if you scratch a little beneath their haughty superficial self righteous opinions of themselves you will find they are riddled with racist tendencies where in their racial assumption their race represents a superior echelon of human society in their racist minds over somebody else.
14 Feb 2013, 14:26 pm
@skopdiekan-342:
Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, or social affiliation….that’s the official version.
Genetically no difference as we are all (well, not so sure about you) **** sapiens sapiens.
But race exists…
14 Feb 2013, 14:28 pm
@Heavens Game-338: @nortierd-339:
you ready to marry an African and have African children?
not a f’ng chance.. you no africans.. you are displaced europeans living in africa and maintaining your european ancestral independence (apartheid) in africa.. in other words at best you are european colonialists who like to think of yourselves as african .. but african you are not.
14 Feb 2013, 14:29 pm
@Dilligafrican-343: Baruch Hashem there’s only one of him.
14 Feb 2013, 14:30 pm
@Heavens Game-333: I hate to say this HG…… But I would take you every day of the week and on Saturdays (not Sundays), before I take a choir of voices all singing fuckingfalsetto.
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-340: Skop: He ARE Legend. (He IS legend doesn’t do the great man justice)
14 Feb 2013, 14:30 pm
@skopdiekan-329: it is not important how you define me snoeky, but rather how i define myself.
14 Feb 2013, 14:31 pm
@Dilligafrican-343: so all wars and hatred meted out between one ethnic division of humanity.. one tribe against another … comprises a belief or ideology of what form of intolerance or bigotry.. if we are all essentially and genetically the same?
14 Feb 2013, 14:31 pm
@skopdiekan-344:
You ready to eat a Macdonalds or Spur burger the way humans are intended to.
Lay off the bean curd and get real.
You really must remember to take them meds in the morning, you are delutional again.
14 Feb 2013, 14:34 pm
@Heavens Game-324: in 2008 Barritt played for the Sharks so no player of colour was preferred before him, in 2008 JEAN DE VILLIERS was the Springbok 12 with Olivier the back up…again no player of colour chosen in front of him…
So tell us how was he a victim of Transformation
14 Feb 2013, 14:34 pm
@skopdiekan-342: Yes… people do pretend to be non racist… especially on Keo…
Which is why I like pointing out your glaring hypocrisy day in day out…
Farken blasphemous beaneating heathen…
14 Feb 2013, 14:35 pm
dorset or durban?
both very nice.
could easily live in either place.
because i am a real soutie
14 Feb 2013, 14:36 pm
@skopdiekan-335: haha, thats it, let it all out snoeks, the eternal cry of a loser:
“you….you…you’re a WAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSIIIIIIIISTTTTTT!!!!”
14 Feb 2013, 14:39 pm
Congratulations on your 100th game as captain of South Africa, Greame Smith. Well done.
How appropriate that this special occasion should be celebrated at the venue where everything started for you.
Hope the test will last at least till Sunday so that I can take in some of it over the weekend. Why the hell did it start today? Should’ve started tomorrow and have a packed Newlands over the weekend.
14 Feb 2013, 14:42 pm
@skopdiekan-344: ah so being ready to marry an “African” (i assume you mean black here because thats how you define “african” my little racially obsessed cupcake) and have “african” children (again, presumably black but inpractice probably khaki, a mellow yellow really) makes you cool, down with the vibe, just goovy eh you creepy old stalking seeker of sadomasochistic asynchromnous simplicity
14 Feb 2013, 14:44 pm
@Transformation-350: Hullo, you’ve forgotten about that chubby (read fat) nonentity Adrian Jacobs???
My, but you’ve got a selective memory.
14 Feb 2013, 14:45 pm
@Heavens Game-351: you cry to your fake Roman God that you are an Aryan with distinct Aryan features and attributes of superior distinct white Aryan traits of valor and pure white strains of Nordic crystalline features of purity and perfection.. and you still have the pompous audacity to declare and think you are not a racist…
if ever there were hypocritical white aryan african racists roaming the earth.. you and this other last bastion displaced pompous highlander are decidedly it…
14 Feb 2013, 14:46 pm
@skopdiekan-348: or competition for resources you ignorant ignoramus sucking on your sophistication of sour solace
kinda fun really.
p.s. no, we are not all “essentially” the same but yes, we are all “genetically” SIMILAR.
i.e you may have a small nose and i might have a big one but we are both **** sapiens.
fool.
14 Feb 2013, 14:47 pm
@The Rangerman-353: Wtf is a wasist you woesie wetskin wearing wayward white wabbit ?
14 Feb 2013, 14:50 pm
@skopdiekan-359:
not me said the spider to the fly.
14 Feb 2013, 14:52 pm
@The Rangerman-355: nope you wanna retain your racist identity.. that is your racist ideology shining through.. you are essentially a independently identified European breed of homosapien which you want to retain and keep separate (apartheid) at all costs because it is this idea of race that defines who you are in your own race infested brain.
14 Feb 2013, 14:52 pm
@Dilligafrican-343:
“Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, or social affiliation….”
Where does COLOUR fit into all this? Seems to me that some guys, like Rangerman, think your race is determined by the colour of your skin.
14 Feb 2013, 14:53 pm
“Wtf is a wasist you woesie wetskin wearing wayward white wabbit ?”
Ok, that’s me floored. Nothing that is said here in the final hours of the day, is going to beat this. Notafuckingchance.
Can’t stop laughing, never mind talk rugby.
14 Feb 2013, 14:54 pm
@skopdiekan-361: no buddy, its your terminology my old dinosaurus donkey
@nama1-362: is it not?
expand please nama.
14 Feb 2013, 14:55 pm
@The Rangerman-358: what makes you ‘different’ by virtue of your pronounced superior trait of breeding… your race ?.. or what is it that defines your separateness and self preserving racial identification?
In other words you are a racist and nothing less than that.
14 Feb 2013, 14:56 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-363:
i found it quite amusing as well.
pity it came from a doo s
14 Feb 2013, 14:58 pm
@skopdiekan-365: no sonny, races are different, both in culture and many other traits.
including genetics.
sure, we are all the same species, as i said you silly old man, but go find out what racial group has a predisposition to suffering from sickle cell aenemia just as an example.
methinks you are the one obsessed with trying to paint us all the same buddy, you weak lily livered coward.
14 Feb 2013, 15:02 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-356: f uckoff LitlleHorseyBoy…Jacobs played THIRTEEN at the Sharks behind waylon murray who was Barritt’s centre partner!
at the Boks Jacobs played THIRTEEN in place of the injured Mossie Fourie…
msunuwakho thula xakunga thethwa nawe
14 Feb 2013, 15:02 pm
@nama1-362:
It says it right there…ANATOMICAL.
Or, of the anatomy. ie Pigmentation of the skin.
Yes? No?
14 Feb 2013, 15:03 pm
@skopdiekan-365:
327.The Rangerman: Reply to this comment
14 Feb 2013, 13:58 pm
@cosca-321: wtf is that load of k uk anyway?
there is no race in this world blah blah blah.
of course there is.
no matter how many kiddies my wife and i pop out, none of them will be black buddy.
that bs of trying to sidestep the fact of racial difference is just as bad as trying to justify racial superiority in my book, its lefty liberal bs hand wringing.
read it again.
and again.
and again.
let it sink in to your poisoned old brain buddy, i choose to embrace diversity not try to hide from it like a cowardly lefty liberal hand wringer. i dont espouse racial superiority and i dont ignore our differences, both are a cowards way out.
but you carry on trying to paint me whatever way you want
14 Feb 2013, 15:04 pm
@The Rangerman-364:
So, Trevor Manual is whiter than most “white people” from the Free State yet he is regarded as “not white”/ Coloured.
Something else must determine his race then, not so?
In any case, Dilligafrican, in his definition of race, did not mention colour hence my question.
14 Feb 2013, 15:04 pm
@Transformation-368: adi should have gone to the 2007 wc in place of meisiekind.
he was outstanding that year.
14 Feb 2013, 15:05 pm
@skopdiekan-357: Flight of the Valkyries…
It is what it is… Nordic features or not, this Aryan’s Valhalla begins and ends right here on African soil … Mapungubwe is my Valhalla
Not that you would understand, too many greenbeans cooked over a menorah while chasing swaartgevaar in Caprivi has boggled that foreign Sabra sense of place in that longdrop designing bullshittting mind of yours…
14 Feb 2013, 15:07 pm
@The Rangerman-367: there no such thing as race.. only it exists in your distinctly racist obsessed brain.. that there is in any way a difference between one human being born into human flesh and another….
I will tell you emphatically there is not one iota of difference.. the difference is embedded in your racially obsessed apartheid promoting ideologically driven separate identifying brain.
14 Feb 2013, 15:09 pm
@nama1-371: haha, my good pal Harry the Beachwalker once sat me down and gave me a definition that went like this:
“a child of a black person and a white person is not a cullart, they are mixed race (funny, thats what trevor noah said too). a cullart is the offspring of two mixed race parents”
this was all news to me nama, but that Harry, he was a wise man.
he did, however, mention colour as john galt has pointed out bud. i consider myself white, and that surely isnt a problem as long as i dont espouse whiteness as a superior attribute?
14 Feb 2013, 15:11 pm
@John Galt-369:
Anatomical, I believe, refers here to HOW certain bodily feature may look for example certain people may have more prominent noses than others. (Middle Eastern people vs Europen people). Another group may have bigger bums than others.(African women compared to European women). Some may be shorter than others (Pigmees vs Dutch ).
14 Feb 2013, 15:12 pm
@Transformation-368: Watch your mouth you little pratt.
And you know how often these guys swop and change positions so don’t come and try your racist propoganda bullsh.t with me.
And please translate your last paragraph…if you have the balls to, that is.
14 Feb 2013, 15:12 pm
@Heavens Game-373:
now thats some funny sheeyit!
@skopdiekan-374: k uk man,if you had to give up race you would be farked as you would have no “African” women to fantasise over you silly old lambchop.
seriously, without race you would be lost and thats a fact.
14 Feb 2013, 15:13 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-356: when you don’t know what you’re talking about rather SHUT THE F.UCK UP instead of confirming it to the whole blog
2008 Currie Cup Final team:
The Sharks : 15 Stefan Terblanche, 14
Odwa Ndungane, 13 Adrian Jacobs, 12
Francois Steyn, 11 JP Pietersen, 10
Frederic Michalak, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8
Ryan Kankowski, 7 Jean Deysel, 6
Jacques Botes, 5 Johann Muller
(captain), 4 Steven Sykes, 3 Jannie du
Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1
Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16 John Smit, 17 Deon
Carstens, 18 Albert van den Berg, 19
Keegan Daniel, 20 Rory Kockott, <b<21
Bradley Barritt, 22 Waylon Murray.
Francois Steyn played 12 for the Sharks with Barritt on the bench, Barritt left after 2008 Currie Cup
no victim of transformation!
14 Feb 2013, 15:16 pm
Joel is a jewboy who in his youth had a stint overseas working in the UK.
He is now doing nothing and sponges off his family.
His ex wife and son gives him pocket money.
He was born in Israel aswell,so he has no African connection.
I dont even bother with it’s ideas of what a African is,it sure is not.
14 Feb 2013, 15:16 pm
we are all just **** sapiens (i said this a long time ago on this thread) so lets just dance around and hug and love each other and forget that before mass migration, racial identity was also a function of culture and religion and a lot more and still is for the most part today so if i disagree with your culture or ideals there is a good chance i will be disagreeing with a whole lot of people who look like you and a whole lot of people who look like me will be agreeing with me so lets have a big fight and afterwards we can get down to hugging and loving again much like we have done as **** sapiens for pretty much all of human existence and will probably continue to do forever certainly for as long as snoeky has the internets and zuma and the anc run this country.
the end (or is it the beginning?)
14 Feb 2013, 15:16 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-377: And besides that, you know as well as the rest of us do that Jacobs was no more than an average-at-best provincial player who clearly only got as far as he did because of the colour of his skin.
Quota deluxe, that one was.
14 Feb 2013, 15:16 pm
Cunteye is very militant today.
His cheque to builders whorehouse must have bounced.
14 Feb 2013, 15:17 pm
@nama1-376:
So skin colour is not a bodily feature but a Roman nose is?
Sheepers! No Ive heard it all.
14 Feb 2013, 15:17 pm
@The Rangerman-375:
M@nama1-376: y best friend at primary school’s mother was the child of white parents. She was classified as “Coloured” because the man she married was “half-white: or as we would say, a halfnaatjie.
A prominant Afrikaans singer was born to Coloured parents in the Southern Cape. He has been living all of his adult life as a white man.
So the question than becomes: Can you change your race?
14 Feb 2013, 15:19 pm
@nama1-385:
Are you talking about David Kramer?
He is coloured.
14 Feb 2013, 15:20 pm
@nama1-376: so you want to look at nose size and ignore skin colour?
thats cool with me, lets all get together and vote BEE rightouttahere!
or is skin colour useful when it comes to certain things only?
@BrumbiesBoy-377: hmmm, i think its best transie doesnt.
it would be lost it translation i am sure
14 Feb 2013, 15:20 pm
The match was a sad joke, had to muster some will power to watch no more than 20 minutes
It’s now will be left to the Aus and NZ Unions to pick up the bills for their privilege to entertain the Kings in front of empty stadiums.
Can’t say it sounds too bad, can you?
14 Feb 2013, 15:21 pm
@The Rangerman-378: well the fact that in some eyes African women are far more beautiful and filled with natures graces than the depleted melanin deficient attributes of white women maybe goes without saying, but facts remain that the only place where human racial derivation for purposes of of self identification rests is within mans brain…. like in yours .. you racially determining supremacist … there is NO difference between one human specie and another unless they have been interbred with aliens .. in which case you might have a vague cause for considering your white skinned melanin deficient specie is superior to the dark skinned people of Africa
14 Feb 2013, 15:21 pm
@John Galt-384:
You know, we can have a convo without you trying to act like a dood all the time. If you disagree with what I say, do so in a respectable manner…every once in a while at least. That way, you don’t come across as being a kond all the time.
14 Feb 2013, 15:23 pm
LittleHorseyBoy: ” And you know how often these guys swop
and change ”
who was the player that was preferred in front of brad barritt at the Boks?
squirm little worm hahaha
14 Feb 2013, 15:23 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-382: not true bud, adi was class.
@gunther-383:
@nama1-385: maybe you can nama, maybe you can.
but i guess the question is why should you have to or why would you want to? thats where the wrong lies imo, not the fact that different races exist.
14 Feb 2013, 15:25 pm
@Fern-386:
No. David is Jewish.
Let me just say that he is a coppersmith as well.
14 Feb 2013, 15:27 pm
@skopdiekan-389: your whole post is about race
you truly are just an ar se hole.
shame man, sleeping with black women doesnt make you more “african” as you earlier asserted capiche?
now if i was in the dark with one of my buddies (a black guy with a real plum model c accent) and you had to decide which of us was “african” your poor little brain would be farked
14 Feb 2013, 15:28 pm
@Transformation-391: you dont appreciate brumbie supporting an aussie team i read one day?
14 Feb 2013, 15:29 pm
@gunther-383:
S
He is not African,and trying to tell us why we are perceived as racist.
He must have had a nightmare about the stuff he did on the border.
Leather wearing vegetarian with blood on his hands.
Seems he has not forgiven himself yet,it was war after all.
14 Feb 2013, 15:30 pm
@The Rangerman-387: Yeah, yeah!
I’ll get a work colleague to translate it for me later.
And I’ll tell this ardent Pirates supporter that I work with where it comes from.
Somebody at work also commented what a clever coach Pitso Masimane is, when he puts that mhlungu Sandilands in goal for Sundowns, Bafana Bafana (read Kaiser Chiefs) can’t score!!!
You go, Pitso!!!
14 Feb 2013, 15:30 pm
dont worry snoeky, i will be in mozambique soon, sipping dois M and shooting fish in the head (normally i say “in the face” but i didnt want to traumatise you).
then you can stomp around here getting abused by other posters, ok?
14 Feb 2013, 15:31 pm
@skopdiekan-389:
Indeed they are beautiful.
But you are to old and crusty to be trying to get into their pants by offering them lifts in your Nissan 1400 Gti.
14 Feb 2013, 15:32 pm
@The Rangerman-394:
Wow so to become african all youmhave to do is have a child with a black woman?
So nils or poops just have to come over and father a child with a black woman and then they are african?
Bwhahaha!
14 Feb 2013, 15:32 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-397: i will tell you this, it was anatomical but had nothing to do with colour
14 Feb 2013, 15:33 pm
@Fern-386:
Oh boy
And Johnny Klegg must be a white zulu, right?
14 Feb 2013, 15:34 pm
@Hondo-402:
Clegg is a racist european then because his wife and kids are white according to skop.
14 Feb 2013, 15:35 pm
@gunther-399:
they were going to rugby practice!
@Fern-400: yup, their spirits will join with the peaks of the amatolas and fly like the vultures and be one with the ancestors har har.
14 Feb 2013, 15:36 pm
@nama1-390:
Were you being respectful to me when you false accused me a little earlier in the year? Do you rememeber that?
Dont play the victim now.
14 Feb 2013, 15:37 pm
@Fern-403: he is a fkking colonialist according to the resident “africaness” expert snoekskiet.
14 Feb 2013, 15:37 pm
@The Rangerman-375:
“a child of a black person and a white person is not a cullart, they are mixed race – a cullart is the offspring of two mixed race parents”
So what then do we call a child of a Venda person and a Tswana person? Also a mix race?
According to Dilligafrican’s definition of race, a Venda and a Tswana are two different races or do we only get mix race when one of the parents are white?
14 Feb 2013, 15:38 pm
@John Galt-405: bud where is machangulo lodge?
so you say your folks are smashing the fish?
sheesh i hope i have that kind of luck.
14 Feb 2013, 15:38 pm
We have seen how science and education were used to promote ideas of racial superiority, but they have also helped us to overcome these beliefs. Nine days ago on 7 June Professor Philip Tobias died. He was a scientist, a white South African from a Jewish family, who studied the history of human beings going back millions of years. His field is called paleoanthropology.
His investigations of human fossils were crucial in proving, scientifically, that there is no such thing as a superior race. In 1961 Tobias published a book called The Meaning of Race in which he disproved the myth of racial superiority. He said: ‘The so-called races of mankind are simply a variety of different sorts of surface anatomy’. This is a deeper point than the one revealed by the Giliomee extract; it is not just that “races” are themselves the products of historical “mixing”, but that race is itself a myth: there is only the human race. In other words, inside we are the same.
I have gone into all of this to show that race is not real in science.
However, race is real in our society, in our power relations, in our economy, in our lived reality, in our culture, in our jokes and prejudices, in our attitudes and in our work.
14 Feb 2013, 15:40 pm
@nama1-407: venda and tswana are tribal not racial groupings nama.
haha, i can see you are trying to corner me here, stalking me like i stalk a rubberlips on the reef
besides, those werent my words, they were the words of the Harry. Beachwalker. Legend.
14 Feb 2013, 15:41 pm
Sorry, but I have to mention this…
There was a pub where I used to drink (since closed) which was frequented by a lot of Poms.
One of them came up with a classic when they abolished the Immorality Act all those years ago…
“Oh goody, now I can sleep with my curtains open!”
14 Feb 2013, 15:41 pm
@John Galt-405:
No victim here CUNTRY boy.
I did not accuse you falsely and you know it. You were pissed of when Vernon Philander was selected against the Aussies in 2011. It was only after he shut you and others up with his performances, that you came around. Don’t freakin deny it.
14 Feb 2013, 15:42 pm
@The Rangerman-406:
Ruth First
Neil Aggety
Beyers Naude
The white lawyer that was blown up.
Atleast David Bowie is African then cause his wife is a black african,oops but they nevr did have kids…
Bob Marley is coloured but his dad is african because his mom was black and his dad was white
Are albino then not african?
14 Feb 2013, 15:43 pm
@Fern-403:
Skop’s nonsense should not be repeated even as a joke,
Skop should stick to rugby where on occasions he has some good insight, not often though
14 Feb 2013, 15:43 pm
@cosca-409: precisely.
we are all **** sapiens (again i say it).
however race is not an abstract, it is a reality.
so either we face it and recognise it or try to hide from it or dissavow it.
the reality is that cultural groupings have LARGELY (not exclusively) been tied to race.
and my culture is best
jokes all you racists!
14 Feb 2013, 15:46 pm
ok, i am out.
have a goodie all you crackers.
14 Feb 2013, 15:51 pm
@cosca-409: correct .. but those espousing race as a reality, like the very supremacists you find here that still want to keep their apartheid symbols of separate development in society, in sport, in education, in commerce, in science, in religion, in life, alive will try tell you that race is real and that we are all different, and that this difference should be maintained as a virtue, a separately developed and identifiable virtue where one race is deemed to be more virtuous or worthy or respected than another..
this is the sickness of society.. and this is what the fight for the freedom from all prejudice revolves around.. however in rugby circles it is akin to those who hold the high moral status of the previously advantaged position of white sport for white aspirations who still cling to race as a means whereby they can identify and herald their differences as a gift of nature or a gift of God.
14 Feb 2013, 15:52 pm
@cosca-409:
My family knew him well, he was actually a Professor of Medical science and pathology in many medical schools around the globe
He lived in Hillbrow most of his time in SA even though it became a no go area for whites some 30 odds years ago, so he must had a first hand knowledge of the issue?
14 Feb 2013, 15:54 pm
Sorry, had to run out.
Nama, colour would of course be part of that classification as it is a anatomical differentiator.
However, the idea of race is a purely human construct and in fact can change over time dependent on society’s perceptions. The fact is we don’t all look the same and hence people are classified if you like according to social conceptions involving folk taxonomies.
BTW, that definition is not mine.
14 Feb 2013, 15:59 pm
@skopdiekan-417:
Do you also hate Africans who eat meat?
You are a hypocryte of note.
Don’t know who you are trying to impress or suck up to.
Maybe you make copies of the drivel you post and attach it to Goverment tenders hoping to score some BEE points.
14 Feb 2013, 16:02 pm
heard last week adi jacobs is coaching at milnerton rugby club… helping out with the backline… kid i spoke to was in awe of adi saying how much value he’s adding and helping them to up their game…
i always believed adi was an under-rated and under-appreciated player… helluva creative centre in my book… and ran lines that most south african centres aren’t even able to in their wildest most uninhibited dreams…
great that he’s ‘putting back’… well done adi…
14 Feb 2013, 16:06 pm
@Hondo-418: what issue .. that you are as human as the Zulu or Venda or Maasai or Yoruba or Xhosa or Somali or Oromo or Chiwa or Kongo or Hutu peoples of this continent.. or you still suspiciously place yourself outside the demographics of humanity and classify yourself as somebody ‘different’..and apart ?
14 Feb 2013, 16:11 pm
@nortierd-420: what kind of krap you talking here.. that I suck up to BEE companies for brownie points like perhaps you and this fernfuckwit does…
I don’t hate anyone.. meat eaters or non… I don’t even hate you even though you perhaps hate more than half the people you share a habitat with in this land you call your birthplace and your african heritage.
I might hate the practices of meat eaters and racists alike but I do not hate the practitioners of the dreaded disease of society you might perpetuate in your obtuse blindness of what is right and what is not.
14 Feb 2013, 16:13 pm
Heavens Game desperately wants to be Aryan.Interesting historical facts that’s probably not going to sit very well with him.
It is one of the ironies of history that Aryan, a word nowadays referring to the blond-haired, blue-eyed physical ideal of Nazi Germany, originally referred to a people who looked vastly different. Its history starts with the ancient Indo-Iranians, Indo-European peoples who inhabited parts of what are now Iran, Afghanistan, and India. Their tribal self-designation was a word reconstructed as *arya- or *rya-. The first of these is the form found in Iranian, as ultimately in the name of Iran itself (from Middle Persian rn (ahr), “(Land) of the Iranians,” from the genitive plural of r, “Iranian”). The variant *rya- is found unchanged in Sanskrit, where it referred to the upper crust of ancient Indian society. These words became known to European scholars in the 18th century. The shifting of meaning that eventually led to the present-day sense started in the 1830s, when Friedrich Schlegel, a German scholar who was an important early Indo-Europeanist, came up with a theory that linked the Indo-Iranian words with the German word Ehre, “honor,” and older Germanic names containing the element ario-, such as the Swiss warrior Ariovistus who was written about by Julius Caesar. Schlegel theorized that far from being just a designation of the Indo-Iranians, the word *arya- had in fact been what the Indo-Europeans called themselves, meaning something like “the honorable people.” (This theory has since been called into question.) Thus “Aryan” came to be synonymous with “Indo-European,” and in this sense entered the general scholarly consciousness of the day. Not much later, it was proposed that the original homeland of the Indo-Europeans had been in northern Europe. From this theory, it was but a small leap to think of the Aryans as having had a northern European physiotype. While these theories were playing themselves out, certain anti-Semitic scholars in Germany took to viewing the Jews in Germany as the main non-Aryan people because of their Semitic roots; a distinction thus arose in their minds between Jews and the “true Aryan” Germans, a distinction that later furnished unfortunate fodder for the racial theories of the Nazis.
14 Feb 2013, 16:14 pm
@Dilligafrican-419:
Yeah, you right.
I know it’s not your definition, don’t worry.
@The Rangerman-415:
Care to explain the difference between “a race” and “a tribe?”
From the definition put up there by Dilligafrican, I would say that tose “tribes” (according to you) fulfill all the criteria to be classified as a race.
Are the white Afrikaans speaking South Africans a different race from English speaking white South Africans? If so, would a child born out of an Afrikaans speaking white person and an English speaking white person be classified as “mixed race?”
14 Feb 2013, 16:18 pm
@ufo-421: Jake White couldn’t see his value he picked Olivier above him every time.. he couldn’t even see Ettienne Botha’s value even though between Jacobs and Botha they skinned every other center partnership in the country in half time and time again…
By the time PdV selected him in 2008 it was already too late by then his value had diminished.. and those like the white is right brigade just couldn’t get the hang of what had actually transpired because he was playing in a system that was not aligned to his attributes.
Eddy Jones instituted the idea of Frans Steyn into first center when JdV went down in 2007 otherwise Olivier would have gotten that gig at the WC too and then 2007 lucky packet accolades might never have happened if it weren’t for Jones giving White sufficient courage to go with his gut felt convictions.
14 Feb 2013, 16:23 pm
Why do the guys behind the stumps(presently), especially Abe DeV have such difficulty burying their racial past, including that ‘baasskap’ attitude?
Just listen to all those references to Robin Peterson, an adult male as “yea boy” or ” come on Robbieboy” or “good boy” and it is being heard globally.
14 Feb 2013, 16:23 pm
@nama1-425:
If so, would a child born out of an Afrikaans speaking white person and an English speaking white person be classified as “mixed race?”
So its (a) Dad’s a soutpiel and mom’s a boeremeisie, or (b) dad’s a dutchie and mom ‘n peperpoes, and the kids are all “mixed race”.
jislaaik, gonna have some very confused kids
14 Feb 2013, 16:24 pm
@skopdiekan-423:
The way you carry on doesn’t exactly spell love does it?
Answer this then, the “Africans” of non Europian decent who play for France and England, are they also on your shitlist like we who were born in Africa are?
14 Feb 2013, 16:24 pm
@cosca-424: yes the Aryan was a Sanskrit derivative of the people of the Iranian / Persian / Afghanistan civilization
In fact the entire European continent was populated by the Indo – European.. and this is where they originally inherited their so called Aryan genetics from.
That is why the Romans were worshiping Persian and Hindu gods such as Mithras etc.. and where they went and mixed up their latter adopted religious ideology of Christianity with their prior pagan beliefs such as Mithracism etc. and etc.
14 Feb 2013, 16:26 pm
456…its back
14 Feb 2013, 16:30 pm
very nice piece by Keo on McCaw in SA Rugby.
Pity Bakkies won’t read or agree with it.
14 Feb 2013, 16:30 pm
How often have Steyn and Morkel and Kallis been called “boys”?
14 Feb 2013, 16:31 pm
@nortierd-429: I don’t attack the individual or the people or the society.. there is no hate attached to anyone.. every human being is attempting to forge ahead with his or her own personal evolutionary aspirations… what I attack is the insidious concept of superiority or separateness or apartheid of classes of humans as bred and perpetuated through the minds and education of those who try preserve there separateness as something superior or virtuous.. this is what is called racism.. a belief or ideology bred upon the false premise that one race or ethnic division of mankind is apart or superior or separate in attribute of human condition to another.
14 Feb 2013, 16:32 pm
@ET.-433: they be madalas
14 Feb 2013, 16:32 pm
@ET.-427:
Don’t be ridicilous.
14 Feb 2013, 16:32 pm
wasted enough time here today..
out now
14 Feb 2013, 16:34 pm
@Dilligafrican-428:
Why do you feel the need to resort to obscenities?
14 Feb 2013, 16:36 pm
@The Rangerman-415:
“however race is not an abstract, it is a reality.”
I’ll disagree and say: Colour is not an abstract, it is a reality.
When you can change your race as you like,as per some examples that I’ve given you (whatever the reason/s for it), it becomes abstract.
14 Feb 2013, 16:39 pm
@skopdiekan-434:
really
is that why you said that i gave my woman cancer by having s ex with her?
14 Feb 2013, 16:39 pm
The racially exposed like the Angerman, and the John Guilts and that feminine plant, still confused by general terms like “Aryan” and more specific terms such as “African” and other matter, sociological?
Little do they realise that in the process they expose themselves more and more as a rare breed called ‘racist morons’ and we expect them to hail from that ‘enlightened corner of the “Last Outpost ….. ” and they do not disappoint.
14 Feb 2013, 16:39 pm
@skopdiekan-434:
Skop, you attack anything from religion, Christmas, Easter, meat eating etc. if you don’t subscribe to the same doctrine.
And not just that, you attack the people who dare post anything you don’t agree with.
You generalise and paint everyone with the same brush.
It is your right to say what you feel and believe, but by the same token, anyone else should also be afforded the same opportunity.
My passport will indicate that I am South African, yet you claim I’m some European, so are you saying every person with a white skin in SA should buggeroff?
If that is the gist of your argument, that’s why I asked you about people with dark skins playing for European countries. Should they also bugger off out of France and play for some African country?
14 Feb 2013, 16:39 pm
@TooMuchRugby-438: have you considered the audience?
14 Feb 2013, 16:40 pm
And the plant is right down in the gutter again , as usual.
That is to be expected when you are not educated.
14 Feb 2013, 16:42 pm
I have seen the word ‘halfnaaitjie’ being used on two occasions this week on different websites.One Afrikaner blogger used the term against ,I assume ,a coloured blogger on one website.Basically he implied that he was of pure race and proud of it. Did he had a valid point or is it just a myth?
Genealogy of Afrikaners
Exhaustive research was carried out by Professor JA Heese for his book Die Herkoms van die Afrikaner (The Origins of Afrikaners) published in 1971. Professor Heese studied parish registers and numerous other sources to track down how many European (Dutch and German, mainly) settlers married non-European brides.
Between 1652 and 1800 over 1200 marriages were performed between white and ‘black’ or white and ‘mixed blood’ people. By that figure Professor Heese determined that approximately 7.2% of Afrikaner heritage is non-white. (Similar studies have suggested this might be as much as 10% in reality).
Professor Heese suggested a genetic mix for the average Afrikaner to be: 35.5% Dutch, 34.4% German, 13.9% French, 7.2% African/Asian/Khoi, 2.6% British, 2.6% Other European, and 3.5% undetermined. Hardly the ancestry you’d expect from such ardent segregationalists.
14 Feb 2013, 16:46 pm
There has been some really funny posting on here today.
Enjoyed the read.
14 Feb 2013, 16:47 pm
@ET.-427:
Don’t be silly now.
Sport people talk like that the world over. Nothing to do with his colour. What do you call it when he talks to Morkel, Steyn or Kallis that way?
@Dilligafrican-428:
Maybe we should just call them “Coloureds.”
14 Feb 2013, 16:51 pm
@nama1-447:
Simply and truthfully answer the questions pertinent to Robin on the one hand and the others duly named.
‘En ophou gatkruip ou Dawid Kruiper se kleinseun.’
14 Feb 2013, 16:53 pm
@cosca-445: my dad’s family arrived here in the 1600s. The records indicate that the woman he married was a Maria van den Kaap. She was no dutchie I assure you.
Yet apparently I can’t be African ???
14 Feb 2013, 16:56 pm
Nice, the P@ki’s are showing some fight.
The BOYS shouldn’t underestimated these guys.
14 Feb 2013, 16:58 pm
@Jeraldjay-450: looks like they want to see the end of day 4
14 Feb 2013, 16:58 pm
With that fine 100 under initially trying circumstances even the supporters of the cheaters understand why it was important to remove Younis by cheating of the 3rd umpire in that JHB 2nd innings of that test.
Again i hear “good work boy”
14 Feb 2013, 16:59 pm
these guppys and their lies.
307. Heavens Game said :
14 Feb 2013, 13:37 pm
@ Transformation-298 : Barritt was a victim
of “Transformation”…
Good on him for cracking on and
succeeding in the mother country when the
country of his birth wouldnt consider him
because of the colour of his skin or because
he wasn’t Capey enough…
14 Feb 2013, 17:00 pm
@Jeraldjay-450:
A detection of arrogance again?
Please understand that humility has never killed any one.
14 Feb 2013, 17:03 pm
Recall also that Shafiq was also a victim in the 2nd innings of those dubious DRS calls by that umpire.
14 Feb 2013, 17:08 pm
@nortierd-442:
Nortie, moenie jou tyd mors met die man nie, jare se Thorazine het hom verby enige redelike denke gedryf, gekombineerd met konstante gieterkak van al die lensies en Tofo en jy’t nie met iemand te doen waarmee jy kan redeneer nie. Hy’s soos daai ouens wat Elvis in Walmart sien of wat glo die Aliens het hulle ‘n a.nal probe gegee
Ek sien Oscar het weer k@k aangejaag, en dit met so ‘n mooi girl?
Ek het haar naam ge-Google toe ek by die werk kom en kliek “images”, fokkit dis ‘n mooi meisie
Wat het gebeur?
14 Feb 2013, 17:08 pm
@ET.-454:
Howzit ET.
I’ve been away and will be back in CPT tomorrow. So happy there’ll be some cricket over the week-end so that I can go to Newlands.
14 Feb 2013, 17:08 pm
@ET.-448:
Ten minste het Dawid Kruiper geweet wie en wat hy is?
Die vraag is,weet jy?
Ek sal liewer met hom geassosieer wil word as met iemand soos jy, dis vokken verseker.
PS: Dawid was ‘n Boesman, al kon hy Nama ook praat.
I don’t know if they were a race or a tribe. I’ll have to ask Rangerman about that.
14 Feb 2013, 17:11 pm
And now that a non-South African is the 3rd umpire the DRS works and is applied honestly and Pakistan are not cheated at the very first asking.
14 Feb 2013, 17:18 pm
Skysport live studio staff just apologised for “the foul language used there” by the S. African commentators.
14 Feb 2013, 17:20 pm
@victoriabok-456:
Weet nie, blykbaar het hulle geen footprints gekry nie, so hulle soek nog.
Ook gehoor sy girl het hom gese ” to tap that *** for Valentines Day, toe double tap hy haar”
Op n meer ernstiger noot, hy gaan sukkel om uit die een te kom, hulle haal nou al die vorige domestic violence goed uit, en mens kon sien toe hy n tantrum gooi toe hy verloor in die Olympics hy het maar n kort humeur.
14 Feb 2013, 17:23 pm
@Jeraldjay-457:
Also glad tat the cricket will last over the weekend, as things stand. Gives me the opportunity to go to Newlands over the weekend while I’m there.
Naaice.
14 Feb 2013, 17:23 pm
@Transformation-453: “mother country”! WTF!
HG just gone & proven Skopdiekan’s point methinks.
The UK may be HG & Barritt’s mother country, but certainly not mine, & certainly not the mother country of the vast majority of South Africans.
14 Feb 2013, 17:29 pm
@nortierd-461: wel, hy gaan nie spoor loos verdwyn nie.
14 Feb 2013, 17:29 pm
Proteas using the unsporting, unfair tactic of sledging now against Younis and Shafiq.
14 Feb 2013, 17:30 pm
@nortierd-461:
die bure hey glo die polisie gebel na hulle n bakleiery en toe skotegehoor het.
polisie het al vroer klagtes van domestics van sy adress af gekry.
hy is in die k ak lyk my.
n jong vrou is dood
dis tragies
14 Feb 2013, 17:32 pm
@nortierd-461:
Haha moer snaaks
Dis orals nuus hier, op die CBC en die koerante
Ja hy gaan suffer in die tronk, sonder bene gaan hy ‘n take-away wees, ‘n lewendige blow up doll
14 Feb 2013, 17:33 pm
@Fern-466:
‘n Mooi girl ook, hy moes eerder ‘n 9 duim as 9 millimeter op haar gebruik het
14 Feb 2013, 17:34 pm
e news se sy is skynbaar vier keer geskiet.
14 Feb 2013, 17:35 pm
@victoriabok-468:
ja sy is maar die punt is dat sy dood is
baie sad,hier gaan nog baie dinge uitkom
14 Feb 2013, 17:36 pm
@victoriabok-467:
@Fern-466:
Hy het groot probleme.
Sal maar so stuk stuk die inligting kry
14 Feb 2013, 17:37 pm
@skopdiekan-422:
With due respect, how many Nobel Prize winners in science, medicine and Chemistry those “human as the Zulu or Venda or Masai or Yoruba or Xhosa or Somali or Oromo or Chiwa or Kongo or Hutu ” have produced or any other distinguished achievement for that matter?
@cosca-424:
But there were more examples to the contrary during the 1800-1900 in Germany: Kant changed his Christian name into a hebrew one while Goethe was mostly influenced by Spinoza and Heine which upset many
14 Feb 2013, 17:37 pm
@Fern-470:
Dis jammer, hy’t goed gedoen vir ‘n ou sonder bene, beter as die meeste van ons en nou gooi hy dit als weg
14 Feb 2013, 17:40 pm
@victoriabok-468:
Roses are red
Violets are glorious
whatever you do
don’t surprise Oscar Pistorius
14 Feb 2013, 17:41 pm
@nortierd-471:
dit gaan tragies en interresant wees.
@victoriabok-473:
hy het goed gedoen ja
een oomvblik van kop verloor en dis verby.
14 Feb 2013, 17:42 pm
@The Rangerman-375:
“a child of a black person and a white person is not a cullart, they are mixed race (funny, thats what trevor noah said too). a cullart is the offspring of two mixed race parents”
Next time you meet up with Harry, ask him what the child of Trevor Noah (mixed race) and a “cullart” (offspring of two mixed race parents) would be called if Noah marries one.
A mixed race cullart?
14 Feb 2013, 17:43 pm
@Hondo-472:
Wil jy regtig nou daarmee begin?
Dit gaan nog 500 posts se gesanik oplewer
Blah blah blah rassisme blah blah blah kolonialisme blah blah blah apartheid blah blah blah opression etc etc etc ad infinitum
14 Feb 2013, 17:46 pm
@Hondo-472:
> Germany: Kant changed his Christian name into a hebrew
If I was called Kant I would change it too, even Osama bin Dorner would be better than Kant
14 Feb 2013, 17:47 pm
@Hondo-472:
What are you saying?
14 Feb 2013, 17:49 pm
@skopdiekan-209: Jy is a baie dom troepie jong.
The Stormers – extended squad have;
- 6 players from the Eastern Cape including 2 Springboks. Are you guys going to give them back to the Kings ?
- 7 players from Gauteng including 2 Springboks. Of course, we wont talk about the foundations for WP rugby built by Conrad Jantjes, Jacques Fourie, Ricky Januarie, Anton Van Zyl, Schalk Brits etc.
- 1 player from Zimbabwe.
- 4 players from KZN including 1 Springbok.
- 2 players from the Northern Cape including 1 Springbok.
- 1 player from Mpumalanga who is a Springbok.
- 2 players from Free State.
That is 22 in total out of 40 players. More than half.
Dumb argument to bring up from a Stormers fan.
14 Feb 2013, 17:50 pm
@ET.-465:
Ja hulle word geintimideer, hulle wys vir hulle fotos van Kate Upton in ‘n bikini wat ‘n Baconator eet
14 Feb 2013, 17:52 pm
@victoriabok-478:
Amper soos a Luke Watson “thread,” ne?
14 Feb 2013, 17:53 pm
One could misinterpret when your girl told you to take her out for valentines.
14 Feb 2013, 17:57 pm
@nama1-458:
Geen antwoord vir my krieket vraag van 448 is geopper nie. Is daardie antwoord dus vanselfspreekkend?
Enige mens in die wetenskap wat eerlik is en nie aan ‘n kerk-tipe geheg is weet wie en wat hy is. Ek is maar net ‘n spesefieke lewendige organisme(‘species’), nie meer of minder belangrik as enige ander lewe soort. Kan jy dit regtig verstaan want dit is “profound’?
Dawid was eerstens en vir altyd ‘n mens en niks anders nie. Kan jy jouself in alle eerlikheid as ‘n mens beskryf as jy sulke lelike verskillendhede tussen jouself en Dawid soek en beskryf?
Jy kan maar vloek so veel as jy wil. Dit dui maar net aan jou lewenslank gebrek om eerlik te redeneer.
14 Feb 2013, 17:57 pm
Good to have old Drieball back.
He went missing during the first test.
14 Feb 2013, 17:58 pm
@cosca-445:
The Basters (Halfnaatjies*) were a group of people descended from the Khoi-Khoi and Cape Dutch farmers and were partly assimilated by either group, but generally kept to themselves and intermarried.
* Ranger will call then “mixed race” and their off spring Coloured. It’s just a big mess if you are into this race thing. See people as people… that’s all I say.
14 Feb 2013, 17:58 pm
@nama1-482:
Hy kan sy naam verander na wat hy wil, Kant saam met kots en Puke sal dit bly by die rugbypubliek bly
14 Feb 2013, 18:03 pm
@ET.-484:
> Geen antwoord vir my krieket vraag van 448 is geopper nie
Wag tot Skop terugkom vir die antwoord, hy weet alles van Skittlesticks
Eintlik volgens hom weet hy alles van alles, hy’s die Sheldon van Keo
14 Feb 2013, 18:04 pm
julle gaat maar aan soos skinderagtiges oor a man wie sy dame miskien koubloedig vermoor het net soos tannies wat agter in die kerksaal se agtery stoele sit and skinnerpraatjies saai…
dit wys net hoeveel waarde julle hou oor die menslike of dierlike lewe.. dis hoekom dit beteken niks vir julle om diere of mense koubloedig te vermoor.. dis diep binne die sielkundige DNA van die onbewuste toestand van n barbare se opvoeding
14 Feb 2013, 18:05 pm
@ET.-484:
WOW!!!
Kom ons gee vir die ou ‘n handeklap. Hy het ‘n “profound” stelling gemaak. Op Keo.co.za nogal.
Jou gebruik van Dawid Kruiper se naam om te probeer aandui dat ek gatkruip net omdat ek nie saam met jou kak opmerking gestem het nie, het eintlik alles gese, ou bees.
PS: Luister mooi volgende keer as een van die ander ouens boul. miskien word hulle ook gese: “Well done, boytjie.” Wie weet.
14 Feb 2013, 18:06 pm
@nama1-486:
“The Basters (Halfnaatjies*) ”
Sies!! Met gebruik van sulke terme is jy mos onmenslik.
Watter tipe dier is jy dan?
14 Feb 2013, 18:08 pm
@nama1-490:
Wat’s sy probleem met Dawid Kruiper?
14 Feb 2013, 18:08 pm
Johannesburg – Oscar Pistorius appears to
have an affinity for guns.
According to The New York Times in January
last year, Pistorius mentioned in an
interview with reporter Michael Sokolove
that a security alarm in the house had gone
off the previous night, and he had grabbed
his gun and went downstairs.
“I asked what kind of gun he owned,”
Sokolove wrote.
Sokolove described how the Blade Runner
fetched his 9mm handgun and two boxes of
ammunition and drove them to a nearby
shooting range, “where he instructed me on
proper technique. Pistorius was a good
coach”.
Sokolove said Pistorius encouraged him: “If
you practised, I think you could be pretty
deadly.”
Pistorius told the reporter that he often
went to the shooting range when he could
not sleep.
A reporter for the Daily Mail said that when
he visited Pistorius at his home last year, a
pistol was by his bed and a machine gun
was propped up by a window.
14 Feb 2013, 18:08 pm
@skopdiekan-489: Jy praat kak man.
14 Feb 2013, 18:09 pm
@Transformation-493: Obama is also an ace with a gun. He loves clay pigeon shooting, and owns several very expensive shotguns.
14 Feb 2013, 18:09 pm
@victoriabok-487:
482 was eintlik in antwoord op jou p. 477 en nie p.478 nie.
14 Feb 2013, 18:10 pm
@Transformation-493: Oh – and I am glad to see you have recovered from the embarrassment of your team being beaten by the Griquas Vodacom Cup side. Its a good thing you are getting used to it.
14 Feb 2013, 18:10 pm
@skopdiekan-489:
Skoppie, do us a favour why don’t you.
Go and surprise Oscar tomorrow morning at 4 o’ clock
14 Feb 2013, 18:11 pm
@Dusky-480: I tell you what.. here’s the deal
take all your faux sharkshits back.. and I’ll gladly give all the EP boys back to EP and the GP boys back to GP and the rest back where they duly belong.. then you give us back all our awol laaitjies… JPP, Peter Stef Du Toit. JL du Plessis, Pollard, Hougaard, and the rest and the rest
then we see who is who in the fallout zoo..
Guaranteed EP, FS and WP fight it out for top dog honors and Sharkshits and Bulls land up as bottom feeders fighting out who gets relegated… how about that for a nice about face turnaround for a good well deserved change of fortune without the fake money influencing and skewing all the proceedings..
14 Feb 2013, 18:15 pm
@nama1-490:
” Jou gebruik van Dawid Kruiper se naam om te probeer aandui dat ek gatkruip net omdat ek nie saam met jou kak opmerking gestem het nie … ”
Ek sien dag jy sien nag? Waar krap jy hierdie een uit?
Jou hol?
Jy sit die pot mis, ou gatkruiper van jare lank.
14 Feb 2013, 18:17 pm
@Transformation-493:
> and a machine gun was propped up by a window.
Really, where would he get a licence for one?
And you take this article seriously
14 Feb 2013, 18:19 pm
@nortierd-498: so you can carry on skinnering like an old tannie over a very sad and tragic occurrence in somebody elses real life .. that what you like to do.. kill and eat innocent creatures while you skinner and speculate about how somebody else got murdered and even joke about their misfortune as if it was arranged simply to amuse and entertain you…
14 Feb 2013, 18:19 pm
@victoriabok-501:
Pot stront daai
14 Feb 2013, 18:22 pm
@victoriabok-477:
There is so much rugby to discuss after yesterday’s farce, but they found race more intrigue a subject, I just added my drops of nonsenseto the ocean, seemed the futility of SARU and its quota nonsense not stimulate enough here?
@victoriabok-478:
He changed from ‘Manuel’ to ‘Imanoel’
14 Feb 2013, 18:24 pm
Skop, read through your own post, then I asked you something in return, but you pulled a David Copperfield and disappeared, no you are back contradicting yourself again.
The tweets mentioned here are viral and not though up by anyone here as far as I know.
502.skopdiekan said:
@nortierd-429: I don’t attack the individual or the people or the society.. there is no hate attached to anyone.. every human being is attempting to forge ahead with his or her own personal evolutionary aspirations… what I attack is the insidious concept of superiority or separateness or apartheid of classes of humans as bred and perpetuated through the minds and education of those who try preserve there separateness as something superior or virtuous.. this is what is called racism.. a belief or ideology bred upon the false premise that one race or ethnic division of mankind is apart or superior or separate in attribute of human condition to another.
Skop, you attack anything from religion, Christmas, Easter, meat eating etc. if you don’t subscribe to the same doctrine.
And not just that, you attack the people who dare post anything you don’t agree with.
You generalise and paint everyone with the same brush.
It is your right to say what you feel and believe, but by the same token, anyone else should also be afforded the same opportunity.
My passport will indicate that I am South African, yet you claim I’m some European, so are you saying every person with a white skin in SA should buggeroff?
If that is the gist of your argument, that’s why I asked you about people with dark skins playing for European countries. Should they also bugger off out of France and play for some African country?
@skopdiekan-502:
14 Feb 2013, 18:28 pm
@skopdiekan-499: We all know where WP was before they purchased Jacques Fourie, Duanne Vermeulen and Bryan Habana so we dont have to do your experiment – we already know.
14 Feb 2013, 18:28 pm
@victoriabok-501: @nortierd-503: julle twee weet meer as die ou wat die artikel geskryf het.. egtelike forensics experts is julle presies altwee.. julle ken die verhaal van die storie sonder om die getuienis of die misdaad toneel om ondersoek in te stel
14 Feb 2013, 18:28 pm
@Dusky-497: hi daski…you know it was a warm up match?
14 Feb 2013, 18:29 pm
@nortierd-505: Are you trying to reason with this po#s ? You do realize you are wasting your breath ?
14 Feb 2013, 18:30 pm
@Transformation-508: Ehe – I do, marra I dont think the Luke wanted to lose this one ne ? Tjy verstaan ? Tjy moet bietjie lees.
14 Feb 2013, 18:30 pm
@skopdiekan-507:
Ek het season 1 tot 5 van CSI Miami, so ek kort net die Ray Bans dan kan ek ons eie Horatio Cane word.
Ek kon egter nie voetspore vind nie, maar sal weer die toneel gaan fynkam
14 Feb 2013, 18:32 pm
@nortierd-505: correct I attack the issue and the underlying depravity of inhumane conditioning .. if the individual wants to take it personally and own the affliction I’m aiming at then that is his own subjective guilt trip taking ownership and intervening.
14 Feb 2013, 18:32 pm
@Dusky-509:
Not really, AFCON is finished, but we must still work till 12 tonight, so I have plenty of time to waste
14 Feb 2013, 18:32 pm
O jissus….it’s the state of the nation address by the prime idiot.
14 Feb 2013, 18:33 pm
@skopdiekan-512:
So in other words, you like dishing it out, but not receiving it?
14 Feb 2013, 18:33 pm
@skopdiekan-512: Ag you’re just a f$ckwad – that’s all. You dont have to try earn repentance for that ou brak. Everyone on this blog knows you are a c$nt.
14 Feb 2013, 18:34 pm
@nortierd-515: Ja – he is a po#s. Full stop. No further debate required. Don’t read his posts – his poor grammar and weak attempts at alliteration will kill off brain cells. Look how dumb Tranvestation has become.
14 Feb 2013, 18:38 pm
@skopdiekan-499:
Hougaard came to the Bulls because they promised him a S14 start which he couldn’t get at the Stormers
Derrick Hougaard came to get game time as well
You’ve got a lot rugby schools like Paul Roos, Parl Gym etc in the Cape pushing out lots of quality players
There are only 15 players on the field at a give time and WP can’t contract them all
What do you suggest they should do if they can’t get a spot?
Sit around and play club rugby for peanuts?
You don’t live and work where you’ve grown up, so why can’t they earn a living with their talent?
14 Feb 2013, 18:41 pm
@Dusky-510: aaahhh i forget how in tune you are with luke watson’s thoughts & intentions
14 Feb 2013, 18:42 pm
@victoriabok-518:
K@k, VB
Hougie het opgekom want Loui Fish is hier bo.
14 Feb 2013, 18:44 pm
@Transformation-519: Nope – I am not in tune at all. Just logical deduction.
Are you honestly stupid enough to claim that this result was not important to the Kings ?
You are turning out to be much dumber than I originally thought.
14 Feb 2013, 18:45 pm
@nortierd-520: Look up the definition of Narcissism. It will give you the answers you seek regarding Skop aka. kontgesig.
14 Feb 2013, 18:45 pm
@Dusky-509: who the fck is interested in what a chickenshit little runaway whitey has got to say for himself on a SA rugby blog.. you outa time outa line and outa sight.. in short you do not exist in any real sense of any relative contextual reality.. nor is any of your faraway concerns worth half a dime in terms of any worthwhile relevancy here.. that right of concern you gave up and chucked down the shithole you so famously erupt in and pride yourself at the stench you ooze out that sick intoxicated depraved degenerate miserable psychopathic arsenic infested colonic arrogance of yours in your new found Valhalla where the Nordic wastes of supreme righteousness have assimilated your intolerable inhumanity for the good riddance that it is.
14 Feb 2013, 18:47 pm
@Dusky-510:
Ja wil ons trick om te dink hulle is swakker as wat hulle regtig is dan kan hulle die Crusaders surprise
Dit was mos laasjaar en die vorige jaar se storie ook, toe hulle teen die Super spanne opwarmings wedstryde gespeel het, stuur jy jou D span om teen hulle te speel en die O/20 outjies verloor teen die Kots Konings dan kan Trassie nie genoeg vertel hoe sterk die Oos Kaapse rugbyreus is nie.
Maar toe hulle verloor teen die Leeus toe is dit skielik ‘n gekombineerde SWD OP span, hy’t altyd ‘n verskoning reg.
Hulle het ook vir klein Kant weggesteek vir daardie wedstryd en hom nie laat speel teen die Leeus nie, was natuurlik bang ‘n ******** fok hom op in ‘n losgemaal
14 Feb 2013, 18:48 pm
@victoriabok-524:
******- D.utchman
14 Feb 2013, 18:49 pm
@nortierd-520:
Ja, hy’t haar “fish” van die Kaap af geruik
Die mannetjie is lief vie snoek maar Bokkoms is nog beter
14 Feb 2013, 18:51 pm
@victoriabok-526:
14 Feb 2013, 18:52 pm
@victoriabok-518: if they are superfluous to WP need then by all means go seek your fortune elsewhere but Hougaard and Hougaard and Pollard and Sadie and quite a few others were earmarked and targeted by BB scouts while still at school and made offers they or their fathers couldn’t or didn’t want to refuse…. mercenary professional activity at cradle level..
even Steven Kitschoff was targeted but WP managed to stave off the hijacking hyenas and jackals or else Kitschoff still had some deep seated pride and patriotic passion for the franchise that put him through his schooling and early development.
14 Feb 2013, 18:52 pm
@Dusky-522:
> Look up the definition of Narcissism. It will give you the answers you seek regarding Skop aka. kontgesig.
Rather look up the definition of masochism, that’s what you’re doing trying to reason with Skop
Sado-Masochism on the other hand is trying to reason with ET
14 Feb 2013, 18:54 pm
@Dusky-521: there you go again…pronouncing on my intelligence does not automatically translate that you are of higher intellect Daski…rid yourself of the need to prop your depleted self-worth by insulting other anonymous blog users.
in essence, stop projecting.
14 Feb 2013, 18:55 pm
@victoriabok-526:
Soos toe hulle die aand by haar ouers gaan eet het.
Toe vertel hy mos die tannie dat dit die lekkerste viskoekies is wat hy nog ooit geeet het.
Toe stamp sy hom in die sy en se vir hom ” Hougie, eet met die ander hand, dis pampoen koekies”
14 Feb 2013, 18:56 pm
@nortierd-515: I’m here nautilus .. dish it out… I receive in kind plenty more than you able to administer… it works the other way around .. perhaps its the uncomfortable realization that sometimes what is supposedly said in jest is just that little too close to the bone to laugh off as unequivocal irrelevance…
14 Feb 2013, 18:58 pm
@skopdiekan-523: Bla bla bla…say something new kak asem.
14 Feb 2013, 18:58 pm
@skopdiekan-528:
For example, if your kid was a doctor or an actor and he got a good offer to work overseas at a famous hospital or theatre where he would be able to develop his career to the utmost, would you stand in his way?
14 Feb 2013, 18:59 pm
@Transformation-530: You are thick though Transvestation. Admit it.
Especially if you think the Kings assigned no importance to this game.
14 Feb 2013, 19:00 pm
@Heavens Game-341: Jean-Lucs father advisewd him to go to the Sharks academy as it was the best for his career.
I can tell you the next in line at his school where he just finished is also Sharks bound, well he is doing his test at the academy in a weeks time, remember the name Driaan ok?? you will hear of him soon if all goes well wioth the tests,
Driaan is a WP born and raised, and in his words to me? Oom ek droom om eendag vir die Sharks uit te draf!
14 Feb 2013, 19:01 pm
@nortierd-531:
Hulle bedien I&J Visvingers by die Ouetehuis waar die skoonfamilie bly, onthou Loui is nie meer vandag se kind nie en
Smaak my sy het meer trille deur haal as treine deur Noupoort se stasie daai een?
14 Feb 2013, 19:01 pm
@Dilligafrican-449: Interesting .I have read the story of Maria on some historian’s blog.The person grew up in Woodstock and could trace his history way back to the 1600′s as well.
14 Feb 2013, 19:02 pm
@skopdiekan-532: I may jest with others here, but not with you. You are a prime po#s – that is for sure. A narcissist of the highest order and you okes are dangerous – the kind that beat and eventually take a gun to their families. I should actually not rev you up as much as I do. I dont want you taking it out on an innocent person.
14 Feb 2013, 19:02 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-536: Yep – he doesn’t want to play for the moffies.
14 Feb 2013, 19:07 pm
@skopdiekan-528:
If Pollard stayed do you think he would have played S15 this season with Jantjies and Grant already there?
He’s going to leapfrog the uber kak Fouche and get gametime this year
14 Feb 2013, 19:07 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-536: whatever,Sharkslover
14 Feb 2013, 19:08 pm
@Dusky-540:
He’s to big to be a pillowbiter
Groot seun daardie
14 Feb 2013, 19:10 pm
@Dusky-539: you can fck off you moron.. you are worth absolutely nothing .. not even a smidgen of irrelevant interest are you worth.. go shack up where you made you psychopathic depraved ignorant intolerant arrogant bed .. it has fckall to do with anyone here .. you are one out of sight irrelevant nonentity.. get that through your non relevant non participant non inclusive righteously distanced white nonevent head…
14 Feb 2013, 19:15 pm
Haha.the polluters sneaking back onto keo! Sharksgirl and Sharkslover -only puma to join to complete the circle .
14 Feb 2013, 19:15 pm
@skopdiekan-544: Still the same stuff stink hol. You sound like a broken record player. Stop looking at p0rn for a second and concentrate to come up with something meaningful and that makes sense.
PS: I recommend you stop using language that is beyond your intellectual capacity. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Just saying – use it – dont use it.
14 Feb 2013, 19:16 pm
@skopdiekan-544: And dont take it out on your family please.
14 Feb 2013, 19:17 pm
@Dusky-547:
Mev Palm en haar vier dogters?
14 Feb 2013, 19:17 pm
@S_K-545: YOU really assume to much dude, but hey like i told someone before, it can make a lot of **** in here, SL will take the blame.
14 Feb 2013, 19:18 pm
@Dusky-546:
> Still the same stuff stink hol
Are we back at the toilet stories again?
14 Feb 2013, 19:18 pm
@skopdiekan-544: @Dusky-547: Can we not just get along?
14 Feb 2013, 19:21 pm
@victoriabok-541: WP fck’d up wit Pollard and with JL Dup .. I have been scathing about how they targeted Jantjies then went after the young Jordaan brother from Grey Bloem and lost both Pollard and JL Du Plessis in the process.. and then as a poor trade off got the Bulls u 20 player Eksteen as a poor swap..
I don’t know if its also a racially stereotypical maneuver that the youngsters all want to go play their rugby elsewhere for big money or so called profiteering professionalism or who or what is driving there desire to play away from the franchise that actually developed and honed their skills..
The only thing I can think of is that there is a rift between the racial stigma or ideology that is driving some kids to play for Bulls and Sharks rather than play for WP.. and I doubt it is purely and only money that is doing it, unless if it is financially driven then this money game is getting too influential too soon in young inspiring players lives.
14 Feb 2013, 19:23 pm
Ok back to rugby, So the Kings not doing well in their warm up matches?? well was to be expected, in all honesty i did not expect them to be world beaters in their first attempt.
14 Feb 2013, 19:23 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-551: for what purpose get along… to suck the garbage that certain imbecilic morons want to perpetuate as if they are worth anything of any relevance.. when they are emphatically and simply not?
14 Feb 2013, 19:24 pm
@victoriabok-550:
I got plenty – you wanna hear ?
14 Feb 2013, 19:26 pm
@skopdiekan-552: Praat Afrikaans man…..jy maak f0kkol sin….
‘and I doubt it is purely and only money that is doing it, unless if it is financially driven then this money game is getting too influential too soon in young inspiring players lives’
You sound like a real plank.
14 Feb 2013, 19:27 pm
@Dusky-555: Yes please!
Out shortly but back in about an hour!
14 Feb 2013, 19:27 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-553:
Who said they aren’t doing well?
They got the answers, or at least according to the above article, they seem to have.
Not so sure if they know the questions though
14 Feb 2013, 19:27 pm
@victoriabok-524: Their excuses are about to run out. Only a few days left. They even got an extra concession that SARU has decided to turn a blind eye to them having additional foreigners.
14 Feb 2013, 19:29 pm
@skopdiekan-554: Actually it would be the mature thing to do? No?
As for your thoughts on why young players decide to further their careers like at the | Buuls or the Sharks? it is for the same reason a kid would go to UCT than to PMB University, belief is that UCT is a far batter University with a higher standard,
Same for the Rugby career of a youngster, the feeling of most kids is that the Sharks offer a better career opportunity, Ditto Bulls
14 Feb 2013, 19:31 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-553: If Kings manage just ONE win in 2013 the result would be such that Bulls did worse in 2002 and so did Lions in 2010
Bulls also did shockingly in 1999 and 2001 only 1 win from 11 games
So Kings would have to go a far way to emulate those great feats of achievement.. and this by franchises with no dearth of public or financial or popular support and appeal..
If kings do better than this in year one they would have done far better than these great powerhouses of SA rugby managed after not their first year at endeavor but their umpteenth year of consistent trying.
14 Feb 2013, 19:32 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-549: haha.same writing style,still makes spelling errors and the best part…starts the first two letters of some words with Capitol letters-a typical mistake of Sl.
14 Feb 2013, 19:32 pm
@skopdiekan-561: The Kings have already done better than the Stormers did in 1997.
14 Feb 2013, 19:37 pm
I know you are probably embarrassed to blog under your own name after swearing never to return.No problem with that but just behave yourself.ok.no tantrums Sharkslover.
14 Feb 2013, 19:39 pm
@Dusky-563: Here is a tweet from the kid i am talking about, now he applied to the Sharks academy as it is his dream. this is his profile without his name as i do not wish to just put it out here.
Rugby player,nowadays a fly-half #10 and I’m full of life and future Sharks Rugby player
Paarl, Western-Cape
14 Feb 2013, 19:42 pm
To the f ucking ******* who stole my dad’s car today …
I hope you rot in hell
14 Feb 2013, 19:43 pm
You can have all the boys Sharkslover but just let them play rugby.ok
14 Feb 2013, 19:43 pm
@S_K-564: Dillusion is a serious problem for you, keep trying fella, actually from what I have seen in the past 2 weeks? swearing and racism is you forte, but hey if stupidity is your thing I guess we can respcet that
14 Feb 2013, 19:45 pm
@skopdiekan-561:
In 99 Bulls got 1 win from 11 games
in 2000 Both Bulls and Sharks got 1 win from 11 games
In 2001 Bulls got 2 wins from 11 games
In 2002 Bulls got 0 wins from 11 games
(Sharks got 4/11 and Cats 1/11 = 3 SA teams propping up the bottom of the table)
so in 4 years 99 – 2002 Bulls played 44 games and won 4, a success rate of around 9%
Lets see Kings do worse than that… and Bulls had plenty money and plenty clout and no constrictions as to where they got their players from yet they hit bottom 4 years in a row consistently.
14 Feb 2013, 19:45 pm
@Dawn-566: Don’t be racist.
14 Feb 2013, 19:46 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-568: I have never made racist comments on this blog Sharkslover .where did you get that from? Be honest with yourself and just admit that you are Sl that loses his marbles for any small reason .
14 Feb 2013, 19:46 pm
@skopdiekan-569: In 1997 the Stormers got 0 wins from 0 games as a result of not qualifying. That is the kakkest of the lot. The Kings by virtue of being included have already done better than that.
14 Feb 2013, 19:49 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-565: Yes well people’s perceptions and reality are two completely different things.
When the Free State’s claim that the Sharks steal all their players was posed to the Du Plessis brothers, they said that they were Sharks supporters all their life. Learned it from their dad.
I didn’t live in Natal either when I lived in SA but who do you think I would have encouraged my kids to play for ?
So does that mean that they were really poached ?
14 Feb 2013, 19:49 pm
@Dusky-570: LOL Dusky that was not racist, Dawn was just sending the car thief to a warm place.
14 Feb 2013, 19:49 pm
@Dusky-572:
Well, they also didn’t lose any games, so it makes them more sucessfull.
I prefer the glass is half full approach
14 Feb 2013, 19:50 pm
The funny thing is ,Sharkslover ,is the fact that when grant outed you ,Hg jumped to your defence to say that you are not Sharkslover .hahaha.that was the dead give away that day.
14 Feb 2013, 19:51 pm
Speaking of pollution where is that wannabe creature?
Capitol indeed.
14 Feb 2013, 19:51 pm
@Dusky-563: Stormers were excluded because they came 5th in the 96 CC Cheetahs took their place in S12 .. so they didn’t participate due to their CC status not their SR status
since then Stormers are the most consistently successful SA side in spite of what you big bok money rattling brekers think you are, Stormers got a better average result than all other SA franchises including Bulls and Sharks.
14 Feb 2013, 19:51 pm
@Dusky-573: For sure I know, the Du Plessis family have always been Sharks supporters
14 Feb 2013, 19:52 pm
@nortierd-575: I think it’s a bullsh&t argument to be honest. I dont buy into it at all. I am just replying to your fellow WP supporter because he for some reason thinks this is a valid reason for the Kings to be included in Super rugby, and that by benchmarking their performances against the poorest performances by SA teams that their inclusion will be validated.
That is how stupid the d00s is.
14 Feb 2013, 19:52 pm
@skopdiekan-569:
It’s a pointless exercise trying to remind them of that.
I have been doing so up here for many a year when they had the bragging rights, but believe me, it’s like it has been erased from their memories.
14 Feb 2013, 19:53 pm
@S_K-571:
What you mean apart from the time you called transie a k…..?
Ok then.
14 Feb 2013, 19:53 pm
@skopdiekan-578: Not the Bulls with 3 Super rugby titles ?
14 Feb 2013, 19:53 pm
On your Fb page you use the same phrase as your nick directed at the Stormers.Some of your mates found it hilarious .
14 Feb 2013, 19:55 pm
@Dusky-580:
I know
I don’t think the scores will be that big against them, after the first few rounds the teams will have sussed them out and will use the match against them to rest their top players.
Maybe at the business end teams will start going for big scores to prop up their points difference
14 Feb 2013, 19:56 pm
Seriously Sharkslover ,you even made the same mistakes in that post as you do here.
14 Feb 2013, 19:59 pm
@S_K-586: Damn you are like a stalker?? SL must be on you mind night and day? you seem in dire need of a friend on here?? sorry mate, you are not friend material
14 Feb 2013, 19:59 pm
@Dusky-583: Stormers got a better average win loss ration in super rugby than all the other franchises.. Sharks come a close second and Bulls third but Stormers are still top.
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-579: since when are the Du Plessis family always been Sharks supporters.. since Michael and Willie and Carel all played for EP and WP and TVL or since when?
14 Feb 2013, 20:00 pm
OK dinner time. cheers all and someone please find a friend for S_K
14 Feb 2013, 20:01 pm
Kudos to grant for outing you Sharkslover .I just had to do a bit of investigating myself to confirm it.
14 Feb 2013, 20:01 pm
@skopdiekan-588: Jannie and Bismark as per what Dusky and i discussed, not the Du Plessis you refer too.
14 Feb 2013, 20:02 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-589: cheers Tyrone .
14 Feb 2013, 20:02 pm
@skopdiekan-552:
> The only thing I can think of is that there is a rift between the racial stigma or ideology that is driving some kids to play for Bulls and Sharks
Like this maybe?
http://www.frontrowgrunt.co.za/2012/01/rassie-a-symptom-of-wp-disease/
or this
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/CurrieCup/WP-team-too-white-Wakefield-20110801
Rather sidestep it all and leave
After all a 18 year old rugby player wants to play rugby and enjoy life, not worry about politics
14 Feb 2013, 20:06 pm
Before you go ty,don’t list Lambie on your Fb page as your son.that is not cool .
14 Feb 2013, 20:10 pm
@skopdiekan-569:
> In 99 Bulls got 1 win from 11 games
in 2000 Both Bulls and Sharks got 1 win from 11 games
In 2001 Bulls got 2 wins from 11 games
In 2002 Bulls got 0 wins from 11 games
(Sharks got 4/11 and Cats 1/11 = 3 SA teams propping up the bottom of the table)
> and Bulls had plenty money and plenty clout and no
Wrong again, they were nearly bankrupt then, they could only afford to contract U/20 players at that time 2000-2001
HM turned it around slowly by winning the VC in 2001 and the CC in 2002, but up to then they had very little money
They definitely could not have afforded a R3 million salary like Pukes at the Kings
14 Feb 2013, 20:11 pm
Stormers
Played – 191
Wins – 101 - 52.9%
Losses - 86 – 45.0%
Draws - 4 - 2.1%
Sharks
Played - 195
Wins - 99 - 50.8%
Losses - 91 - 46.7%
Draws - 5 - 2.6%
Bulls
Played - 194
Wins - 93 – 47.9%
Losses - 97 – 50.0%
Draws - 4 – 2.1%
14 Feb 2013, 20:14 pm
@skopdiekan-588: So you think a win/loss ratio is more important than 3 titles ?
14 Feb 2013, 20:17 pm
@skopdiekan-596:
Add semi finals and finals played, wins, losses in there while you’re at it
Especially home semi’s won
14 Feb 2013, 20:18 pm
@nortierd-585: Dude you are forgetting how the Super 15 goes. Teams will want the 5 log points, but over and above that they will want the points difference. You forget that in 2005 I think it was, the Sharks missed out playing in the semi-final because of 1 point on points difference – can you recall why ? Because the Stormers took a 41 point rogering from the Bulls in Cape Town in their last round robin match.
Teams will not relax against the Kings unless they are forced to. They will want max points and max points difference. Nobody has relaxed against the Melbourne Rebels have they ?
14 Feb 2013, 20:19 pm
@victoriabok-598: ha ha ha ha….shame jirre – the Stormers still have the win/loss ratio thing. At least they have something.
Oops I forgot they also have the conference winners trophy and they also won that pre-season warm up thing twice. LOL !
14 Feb 2013, 20:19 pm
@skopdiekan-596:
SR results 1998 – 2012
@victoriabok-595: why were they so poor if they had been playing SR rugby since before WC 1995
In 96 they lost to Blues in the semis so they weren’t so kak then
So what was the reason for their demise.. for the following 4 years after 1998?
couldn’t be because of poor management surely not with all those blue eyed Tukkies business model students running the enterprise?
14 Feb 2013, 20:24 pm
@Dusky-600:
Plascon Wol innie Hol trofee
14 Feb 2013, 20:25 pm
@victoriabok-598: Dude the Bulls are South Africa’s most successful Super rugby team. Everyone knows that. You cannot deny the three titles. Semi-finals, finals, win/loss – all that doesn’t matter. The only place it matters is in Cape Town.
14 Feb 2013, 20:28 pm
@skopdiekan-601: The Bulls started to struggle because military conscription and the way people were drafted to the Police changed. Pretoria Weermag and Pretoria Polisie were big forces in club rugby.
They almost totally disappeared because the fat, lazy, corrupt slobs that we have now only follow football.
14 Feb 2013, 20:29 pm
@victoriabok-598: consistently Stormers are best SA franchise .. same as Crusaders are best consistent NZ franchise. Even though Crusaders finished last one year when Auckland won early on..
Bulls got some lucky breaks with ref’s in their back pocket at home in certain years and avoided some tough knockout games and pulled through with some home town refereeing.
Overall Stormers still most consistent SA finisher don’t matter whether they didn’t finish top.. Sharks also never finished top.. so only bragging rights Bulls have is they got lucky home town decisions to win outright 3 times at home.
Sharks got zero bragging rights over Stormers because overall Stormers are better and neither team have gone on to win the entire thingamajig outright.
Only Bulls and TVL have managed to do that from SA teams in almost 2 decades of SR rugby
14 Feb 2013, 20:29 pm
@skopdiekan-601:
> So what was the reason for their demise.. for the following 4 years after 1998?
They added a new section to the stands and funded it by selling seasons tickets and “losies” for the next fouror five years at a cheap price. It seemd a good idea at the time, that was the time when interest rates were sky high remember?
Then rugby players turned pro and they didn’t have the cashflow to pay them so a lot left and they had a kak coach as well
14 Feb 2013, 20:31 pm
Careldup suddenly a sharks supporter?Typical delusional guppies.Sharkslover still a dramatical guppy it seems.!
14 Feb 2013, 20:33 pm
@skopdiekan-605: Sharks did finish top idiot. Go look again.
Bulls have won 3 titles – they are South Africa’s most successful Super rugby outfit. Your moffies can’t even win a home semi-final. Twice in a row – no other team has such a kak record at home in super rugby playoffs.
14 Feb 2013, 20:33 pm
@victoriabok-606: The oke exposes himself from time to time with his lack of knowledge and inaccurate comments. He is just here to get a reaction. Knows nothing about rugby.
14 Feb 2013, 20:35 pm
@S_K-607: Whoever he supports – he certainly didn’t do a lot of effort encourage his son to stay with WP now did he ? Carel Du Plessis son playing for the Sharks….can you imagine !
14 Feb 2013, 20:35 pm
@S_K-607: Wasn’t he called the princess of wings ?
14 Feb 2013, 20:35 pm
How did you reach that conclusion ,dusty.Conscription ended long before that.
14 Feb 2013, 20:36 pm
@S_K-612: Yes but the makeup of the military didn’t change overnight.
14 Feb 2013, 20:41 pm
@Dusky-610: that is no problem,dusty.wp don’t owe careldup any favours.His son had to go where he can get game time .He probably would have been way down the pecking order.in any case I have never seen the boytjie play so I am not gonna say much about his abilities.
14 Feb 2013, 20:43 pm
@S_K-614: Great. I will remember your post when you moffies have a little ***** session about the Sharks buying your players.
14 Feb 2013, 20:44 pm
@S_K-614: Personally I think he didn’t like the idea of the jeans they sell in the mens clothing stores in Cape Town with knee pads and a zip in the back.
14 Feb 2013, 20:47 pm
Crusaders – 67% win rate
Blues – 58% win rate
Brumbies – 58% win rate
Stormers – 53% win rate
Waratahs – 52% win rate
Hurricanes – 51% win rate
Sharks – 51% win rate
Reds – 49% win rate
Chiefs – 49% win rate
Bulls – 48% win rate
Highlanders – 46% win rate
Force – 30% win rate
Cheetahs – 27% win rate
Lions – 23% win rate
Rebels – 22% win rate
that is how the SR win loss cookie breaks down 1998 – 2012
14 Feb 2013, 20:52 pm
@skopdiekan-617: Hey d00s kop…..we dont give a f#ck about the win rate – get it into your neanderthalic skull ! Nobody rates f0kk0l by the amount of battles you won – its about who won the war.
Order the teams by titles won gwar neus.
14 Feb 2013, 21:02 pm
@Dusky-555:
Ja laat waai
Het jy weer bruinbere in Ikea gelos?
14 Feb 2013, 21:03 pm
@Dusky-616:
eina, bliksem, dit is n low blow ( en nie die blow waaraan jy dink nie)
14 Feb 2013, 21:05 pm
@Dusky-613:
Ek onthou nog in die laat 80′s was daar nie eintlig rugby voor omtrent Mei maand nie
Hulle het in Februarie or Maart altyd ‘n Norrd Transvaal teen SA Weermag wedstryd gehad en die Bulle het swaargekry om teen hulle te wen want Weermag het vir Uli, Carel du Plessis en ‘n klomp ander Bokke in hulle span gehad
14 Feb 2013, 21:06 pm
@Dusky-616:
Herrinner my aan die storie van die dislexic m0ffie wat baie excited was vandag, gedink dis Vaselines Day
14 Feb 2013, 21:07 pm
@nortierd-620:
> eina, bliksem
Wat’s fout?
Het iemand die zip afgetrek in jou ‘n lid van die Star Trek generation gemaak?
To boldly go where no man has gone before?
14 Feb 2013, 21:08 pm
@nortierd-622:
Granty?
14 Feb 2013, 21:09 pm
@victoriabok-619: Nee – nooit in IKEA nie. Ek het al tuidens ‘n telefoon konferensie gepoep (ek het vergeet om my lyn te mute) toe vra een van die mense of iemand ‘n vraag gevra het
14 Feb 2013, 21:13 pm
@victoriabok-621: Ja – ek het kontakte in die Bulle gehad, en die grootste rede wat hulle my kon gee was die Weermag en Polisie spanne wat skielik begin verdwyn het. Hulle het ‘n klomp harde spelers van Pretoria Polisie en Weermag gekry in hulle dag. Skielik het hulle net Tuks gehad, en in daai dae was Tuks maar hond kak.
Toe gaan coach Naas vir Tuks en dinge het so bietjie beter geword. Ek het alle respek vir die Bulle. Vir die uithou vermoe wat hulle gehad het om hulself uit daai ‘long drop’ te kry. Hulle kon net sovel die pad van die Leeus geloop het. Hulle was nie ver weg nie ! Maar hulle het terug gekom en SA trots gemaak.
14 Feb 2013, 21:13 pm
@Dusky-625:
Ek speel nou die aand op XBox live RB6V2 saam met die ouens en gesels nog so en laat waai met ‘n grote
Ek **** net hoe stil raak hulle, die mikrofoon het dit baie goed opgetel
14 Feb 2013, 21:16 pm
@victoriabok-627:
Was dit uitlanders ? Ons ope poep kultuur is nie almal se koppie tee nie.
14 Feb 2013, 21:18 pm
@Dusky-626:
Ek het in die boek
http://www.kalahari.com/books/Blou-Bulle/632/33052410.aspx
gelees hoe hulle uit geld gehardloop het daardie tyd
14 Feb 2013, 21:19 pm
@Dusky-628:
Amerikaners
14 Feb 2013, 21:20 pm
@victoriabok-629: Ek stry nie – dit was sekerlik een van die redes. Ek onthou hoe die Bulle gesukkel het met geld.
14 Feb 2013, 21:20 pm
@victoriabok-630: LOL !
14 Feb 2013, 21:20 pm
@Dusky-625:
Die ergste is die wetters wat die toilet beskyt, hulle wilgerboom hom dat hy erger lyk as die een in Trainspotting
14 Feb 2013, 21:20 pm
@victoriabok-630: Wat is RB6V2 ?
14 Feb 2013, 21:21 pm
@Dusky-628:
Die Chinees wat saam met my werk laat waai ook
14 Feb 2013, 21:21 pm
@victoriabok-633: Jissus…..was jy ooit by Oppikoppi ?
14 Feb 2013, 21:21 pm
Stormers finished top in 2012 overall
Bulls and Sharks sneaked into play offs in 4th and 5th
Stormers finished 2nd in 2011 lost home semi to Crusaders
Sharks finished 6th and lost away semi in NZ
2010 Bulls finished top Stormers 2nd
Bulls won the final rigged by the ref.
2009 Bulls finished top and won the home final
Stormers finished 4th in 2008 contesting a semi
Sharks finished top in 2007 when they met Bulls in final who finished 2nd overall but Bulls won the final
Bulls finished 4th in 2006 beaten in play offs
Sharks finished stone last in 2005 below Lions who finished 2nd last
Stormers finished 3rd in 2004 made play offs
Sharks finished 2nd last in 2003 above Lions who finished last
Sharks finished 2nd in 2001 when Bulls finished last
Sharks finished stone last in 2000 behind Bulls who finished 2nd last
Stormers finished 2nd overall in 1999
Overall Stormers better finishers than Sharks by some distance
both contested 1 final but Stormers made more play offs than Sharks and have a better overall finishing rate than both Sharks and Bulls.
14 Feb 2013, 21:22 pm
@victoriabok-635: As jy sy poep kon snuif so dit seker na hond of kat geruik het
14 Feb 2013, 21:22 pm
Don’t be a Trollope,dusty.I don’t give a toss whether you sign up all the school kids.Did not see any other stormer fan complained about the sharks buying up EP school boys.
14 Feb 2013, 21:23 pm
@skopdiekan-637: Correction. Stormers finished top in 2012 overall – Sharks played in the final. The South African team that lasted the longest.
14 Feb 2013, 21:24 pm
@S_K-639: Huh ? How long have you been around ? Have you read your fellow WP supporter, Skop’s comments ? Obviously not.
14 Feb 2013, 21:24 pm
@skopdiekan-637: Sharks have played in more semi-finals and finals than the Stormers.
14 Feb 2013, 21:25 pm
@S_K-639: should read trilkop,dusty. Mobile spellchecker . You would understand ne?
14 Feb 2013, 21:25 pm
@S_K-643: Ja – I got it
14 Feb 2013, 21:29 pm
@skopdiekan-637: Sharks also have a better conversion rate of semi-finals to finals. Also head to head, the Sharks have the upper hand over the Stormers on wins between the two teams if I am not mistaken.
Despite all that, the Bulls are still SAs most succesful Super rugby outfit.
The Stompies still have to win 4 winners trophies at a minimum and hope the Bulls dont win any more in order to take that position.
14 Feb 2013, 21:31 pm
@Dusky-634:
‘n Ou game wat ons nog co-op speel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLrBlVQbn-o
Ons was vir die nuwe een wat nog beter gaan wees
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1pFFBUycSM
14 Feb 2013, 21:35 pm
@Dusky-636:
Nee maar my pêl het my vertel
Hy’t twee ouens geken wat meer as ‘n week voor die tyd al daar gaan kamp(en al die padblokkades gemis het) het en baie zol saamgevat het wat hulle daar verkoop het
14 Feb 2013, 21:37 pm
@Dusky-638:
Nee hy’s ok, die voru voor hom het vis gevreet wat jou wou laat Luke het
Wou altyd sê Sies man maak toe jou bene
14 Feb 2013, 21:37 pm
@victoriabok-646: Ek wag ook vir Patriots
14 Feb 2013, 21:42 pm
@Dusky-649:
Ken jy die game?
14 Feb 2013, 21:57 pm
@victoriabok-650: Ja, het al twee voriges klaar gespeel.
14 Feb 2013, 22:01 pm
@Dusky-651:
Op wat speel jy?
As jy op XBox live is kan jy co-op saam met ons speel
14 Feb 2013, 22:06 pm
@Dusky-651:
Blykbaar is een van die probleme dat die bad guys in Patriots Amerikaners is en hulle weet nie hoe hulle daarop gaan reageer nie.
Ubisoft Montreal het die game gemaak so hulle worry nie veel wat die Amerikaners dink nie, maar as die ouens besluit die game is teen hulle gemik en dit boikot gaan hulle baie geld verloor
14 Feb 2013, 22:07 pm
@ufo-421: I believe that possibly the biggest loss to Natal (and SA) rugby in that era was one Trevor Halstead.
He used to remind me a lot of Japie Mulder but left the country far too early, coincedenty only a year after Jacobs was imported from the Falcons to boost their quota numbers?
Hnmnm….
14 Feb 2013, 22:08 pm
Sharks vs Stormers head to head in SR is EXACTLY 50 / 50 results equal losses vs wins
2012 Sharks S15 Runners-Up finished 5th overall
2011 Sharks S15 Play Off finished 6th
2010 Sharks S14 finished 9th
2009 Sharks S14 finished 6th
2008 Sharks S14 Semi-Finalists finished 3rd
2007 Sharks S14 Runners-Up finished 1st
2006 Sharks S14 finished 5th
2005 Sharks S12 finished 12th (last)
2004 Sharks S12 finished 7th
2003 Sharks S12 finished 11th (2nd last)
2002 Sharks S12 finished 10th (3rd last)
2001 Sharks S12 Runners-Up finished 2nd
2000 Sharks S12 finished 12th (last)
1999 Sharks S12 finished 7th
1998 Sharks S12 Semi-Finalists finished 3rd
2012 Stormers S15 Semi-Finalists finished 1st
2011 Stormers S15 Semi-Finalists finished 2nd
2010 Stormers S14 Runners-Up finished 2nd
2009 Stormers S14 finished 10th
2008 Stormers S14 finished 5th
2007 Stormers S14 finished 10th
2006 Stormers S14 finished 11th
2005 Stormers S12 finished 9th
2004 Stormers S12 Semi-Finalists finished 3rd
2003 Stormers S12 finished 9th
2002 Stormers S12 finished 7th
2001 Stormers S12 finished 7th
2000 Stormers S12 finished 5th
1999 Stormers S12 Semi-Finalists finished 2nd
1998 Stormers S12 finished 9th
Sharks have 3 runners up finishers
Stormers have one
Sharks made semis 5 times
Stormers made semis 5 times
Sharks came last twice, 2nd last once and 3rd last once
Stormers never finished lower than 4th from bottom
Overall Stormers have a better win loss result to Sharks.. head to head they are exactly equal
14 Feb 2013, 22:13 pm
@victoriabok-652: PS3….sorry – en ek het nie meer die vorige twee games nie. Maar ek gaan Patriots kry.
14 Feb 2013, 22:14 pm
@skopdiekan-655: They wont be equal any more after this season.
14 Feb 2013, 22:19 pm
@Dusky-656:
Blykbaar gaan hulle hom launch op die nuwe generasie XBox en Playstation
Het jy Netflix daar by jou?
Ons kyk baie flieks op Netflix deur die XBox
14 Feb 2013, 22:23 pm
@Dilligafrican-483:
14 Feb 2013, 22:25 pm
@victoriabok-658: Ja ek **** die PS4 gaan in November launch.
Ek watch nie baie flieks nie.
14 Feb 2013, 22:26 pm
@Dusky-660: **** = h o o r
14 Feb 2013, 22:28 pm
@skopdiekan-637: Impressive Stormers superiority PR list, how about a few convenient omissions?
1) “Stormers finished top in 2012 overall
Bulls and Sharks sneaked into play offs in 4th and 5th”
Sharks made the final beating Stormers in away semi.
2) “2009 Bulls finished top and won the home final”
Sharks finished 6th, Stormies – 10th (11 points difference)
3) “Stormers finished 4th in 2008 contesting a semi”
Ding ding ding – false statement alert!
Actually Sharks finished 3rd, while Stormies – 5th and NOT contesting a semi.
4) “Bulls finished 4th in 2006 beaten in play offs”
Sharks 5th, Stormies – 11th (15 points difference)
5) “Sharks finished stone last in 2005 below Lions who finished 2nd last”
Well, Stormies did not covered themselves in glory either – 9th (just 7 points difference)
6) “Sharks finished 2nd last in 2003 above Lions who finished last”
And Stormers finished just 2 places above with mere 6 points more.
7) “Sharks finished 2nd in 2001 when Bulls finished last”
And Stormers 7th.
8) “Stormers finished 2nd overall in 1999″
And lost a home semi – a tradition was born.
And final one. “Overall Stormers better finishers than Sharks by some distance both contested 1 final but Stormers made more play offs than Sharks and have a better overall finishing rate than both Sharks and Bulls.”
False statement alert again.
First of all, Sharks contested 4 finals.
And the season ends with the final, not preliminary round, so Bulls 3 trophies easily trumps anything other wannabes can muster be it 5 playoff appearances by the Stormers (1 final loss and 4 semis losses) or 8 playoff appearances by the Sharks (4 final losses, 3 semifinal losses and 1 quarterfinal), in any case 8 looks more than 5 to me.
14 Feb 2013, 22:28 pm
@skopdiekan-637: hahahaha, you are such a halfwit!
“Overall Stormers better finishers than Sharks by some distance
both contested 1 final but Stormers made more play offs than Sharks and have a better overall finishing rate than both Sharks and Bulls.”
really?
are you sure of this?
14 Feb 2013, 22:34 pm
@Dusky-660:
Ja net in tyd vir Kersfees
14 Feb 2013, 22:34 pm
@skopdiekan-655: hahaha whattaload of kuk
what you mean is that the sharks have progressed to the finals more times than the stormers.
and i see you start your stats in 1998
why is this?
loser hahahaha.
14 Feb 2013, 22:39 pm
@polaris-662:
>>Stormers finished 2nd overall in 1999?
> And lost a home semi – a tradition was born.
If you lose in a semi you finish third or fourth
How can you be second if you’re not even in the final?
14 Feb 2013, 22:39 pm
@polaris-662: Excellent post, those are the facts.
14 Feb 2013, 22:40 pm
@polaris-662: well if the sharks have lost 3 semis and appeared in 4 finals surely the sharks have had 11 plus one quarterfinal making 12?
versus 6 to the brokebacks?
thats sad for snoekums haha.
another thing i couldnt be bothered to look up is how, if the sharks have played on that many more playoffs, the stormers have only played 4 less games according to the gospel of snoeky?
and once again, why are 1996 and 1997 omitted?
14 Feb 2013, 22:42 pm
@The Rangerman-663:
Sharks and Stormers are pretty even when it comes to Super titles. Both have vokkol.
Hopefully we’ll pull ahead this season. See ya later!
14 Feb 2013, 22:43 pm
Roses are red
Violets are glorious
Just don’t creep up
on Oscar Pistorius.
14 Feb 2013, 22:47 pm
@victoriabok-666:
snoeks has done some creative accounting from the bakkie but really, the bulls are the standard bearers.
you cant argue with 3 titles no matter how hard snoeky tries.
i hope my sharkies can win a title this year.
14 Feb 2013, 22:48 pm
@victoriabok-666: Because Skop mentions regular season final standings and therefore playoff results obviously do not count. Why? Losing them almost all must have something to do with it.
14 Feb 2013, 22:48 pm
Just saw this in EP Kings Army page: Another perspective to the haters and hypocrites of our country.
· ..To the “haters”: so most of you must be Lions supporters? , from the offset the Kings Army have nothing against you guys, however I feel the need to explain a few things. SARU made the path for the Kings to follow, not Cheeky Watson or Tony McKeever (Spears) who must be the most hated men in SA Rugby, for what no one can really say.Great Franchises like the Sharks and the mighty Bulls finished the Super Rugby season without a single victory, no one ever attacked them like people are attacking the Kings, you will notice I did not make reference to the Lions as we know their pedigree and history has been recorded on their recent performances and to compound matters that is with SARU kicking you guys out into the cold. Now I don’t know a Kings supporter that has ever said we are ever going to win SR, in fact we have penciled in ( hoping) for a few victories with the hope of not finishing last. Remember that is with just 5 months preparation for SR, sides with lots more money have failed in their first season, that is without the hatred and throwing another Franchise to the dogs. So you will understand the mountain head of us however we are prepared to tie it head on. SARU with their actions clearly have not had SA Rugby at heart, it should have been handled differently. Should the Kings finish last then you the Lions will have the fair opportunity to get back into Super Rugby, if you beat us, well done. I bet the Kings supporters won’t be attacking the Lions when they lose any games in 2014 or finish bottom again. SARU have known about this extra Franchise problem for years, they’ve ignored it now the Kings are to blame. About time you real Lions supporters start asking de Klerk why you finished last after spending so much money on experience players and why the hell your own franchise partners vote against you , to kick you out. I would have loved to have seen a SR with both Lions and Kings playing, we would have welcomed you to the stadium to drink our beers and hopefully send you back winless. No need to go on about hating the Kings or the process that has got us into SR it won’t change until August. Time to move on.
14 Feb 2013, 22:49 pm
@I am a stormer-669: fair enough bud, i just ind snoekskiets thesis quite juvenile in it reasoning but then again most of what he puts out is juvenile at best.
14 Feb 2013, 22:50 pm
@The Rangerman-668: “and once again, why are 1996 and 1997 omitted?”
Because that scr*ws the stats completely.
14 Feb 2013, 22:52 pm
@polaris-662: excellent post.
Skop is known to bend the truth, well done on picking him up on it.
14 Feb 2013, 22:53 pm
I really liked your boy Oscar, this is such a disaster!
14 Feb 2013, 22:54 pm
@polaris-675: he did it last year too, he starts his stats from 1998…… wonder why? Truth bender, can’t trust the guy further than you can throw a yarmulke
14 Feb 2013, 22:54 pm
@The Rangerman-668: “well if the sharks have lost 3 semis and appeared in 4 finals surely the sharks have had 11 plus one quarterfinal making 12?
versus 6 to the brokebacks?”
True, I did not think about it. Obvious lack in calculating abilities makes me doubt whether he indeed comes from the Promised Land.
14 Feb 2013, 22:54 pm
@Peter Mkata-673: great heartfelt post and welcome to the kings, i cannot join in on the hatred being spewed at them.
in fact i really want to fly down for the sharks vs kings game but will have to have a look at the budget.
i have actually always enjoyed people from PEand the EC in general so i am sure it will be festive as anything.
14 Feb 2013, 22:54 pm
In sport they say you are only as good as your last game. So lets have a look.
Stormers/WP during 2012:
Currie Cup Champions
Vodacom Cup Champions
Under 19 Champions
SA Conference winners (super rugby)
Springbok Captain
Bulls:
Under 21- Champs
Cravenweek- Champs
Springbok coach
Sharks during 2012:
Ziltz… nothing…. ??????..
So, the Traditional powerhouses of SA rugby dominated yet again.
14 Feb 2013, 22:55 pm
@The Rangerman-674: @polaris-675:
The Stormers and Sharks are nil all going into extra time.
Right now, to me the past counts for nothing. I’m just looking forward to a new season of rugger. With you-know-who on top. That’s all.
14 Feb 2013, 22:56 pm
@Robzim-681: well you conveniently group the stormers and wp there robbo haha.
if the stormers are only as good as their last game, it was an a s s whupping.
at home.
to the sharks
14 Feb 2013, 22:57 pm
In 1996 Natal beat WP 28-22.
In 1997 the two teams did not play because WP did not qualify for the tournament.
So head to head the Sharks are actually ahead.
14 Feb 2013, 22:59 pm
@The Rangerman-683:
Remind me of the Sharks’ last match…what was the score again?
14 Feb 2013, 23:00 pm
@polaris-675: @polaris-679: haha, snoeky just spouts utter k u k from the moment he opens his eyes.
his entire made up list is a case in point.
@Robzim-681: traditional powerhouses my a r se haha.
14 Feb 2013, 23:02 pm
@Peter Mkata-673: “must me Lions supporters”. Haha… clearly that guy is not in touch with the outside world. Hopefully that reality check will hit hard mid season.
14 Feb 2013, 23:02 pm
@Robzim-685: vs the stormers?
i dont remember but i do remember JPP waltzing over the line vs the supposed “bok midfield”
14 Feb 2013, 23:04 pm
Sharks owned the Stormers 2 games to 1 in Super rugby last year.
Sharks have won 7 of the last 10 games against the Stormers in Super rugby.
14 Feb 2013, 23:04 pm
@I am a stormer-682: True, everything starts from scratch again.
My fav this year will be Kings, like them or not the way they were included, they are here and I won’t like our Saffa friends having another bonus point milk cow.
14 Feb 2013, 23:05 pm
@Robzim-681:
That’s a more decent up to date fair analysis. I’ll go with that.
14 Feb 2013, 23:05 pm
sheesh i am looking forward to frans steyn vs JDV this year!
cappie vs cappie.
its gonna be a cracker because JDV knows this match up will determine his future in the bok team.
14 Feb 2013, 23:06 pm
@carol-677: That boy’s got history. Hope for his sake he is telling the truth. Expect another Jub Jub fiasco. What ticks me off is all this talk of Oscar and please pray for him etc etc. Nothing about the girl’s family. Pisses me off….
14 Feb 2013, 23:07 pm
@The Rangerman-688:
No, in the final. What was the score in the final? seems u are not so keen to talk about it
To be honest—– neither team has won anything…… maybe this year?
14 Feb 2013, 23:07 pm
@ShaunB-689:
Who won the Currie Cup last year?
And where was it played?
Didn’t think of that did you?
See ya on the 2nd March. Right here.
14 Feb 2013, 23:08 pm
7 out of last 10 super games…. that is an incredible stat…. total domination….
14 Feb 2013, 23:08 pm
@The Rangerman-686:
> haha, snoeky just spouts utter k u k from the moment he opens his eyes.
He dreams of the Super final where the Stormers will play the Kings in PE, both teams fielding only local players and all of them bean curd eating vegetarians
And him the the PRO in charge of both teams, team selector and coach
14 Feb 2013, 23:08 pm
@The Rangerman-680:
I bought 4 tickets for next week’s game Ranger. I am flying to PE for the game. My wife and my 8 year old daughter has never been to a rugby game, and are very excited by this experience. And they will never have nasty eyes or experience any hostility in that stadium. My brother and his family will too. The point I am making is that with super rugby in that region, it has led to a lot of awakening and consequently rugby is expanding. Why because there is a culture of rugby accross the colour line in that region.
14 Feb 2013, 23:08 pm
@ShaunB-689: shoo wheeee!
thats a 70% win ratio.
no wonder these okes are getting so uptight
14 Feb 2013, 23:09 pm
@I am a stormer-695: WP?
What’s that got to do with Stormers in super rugby?
And how did your home semi go last year, remind me?
14 Feb 2013, 23:11 pm
@I am a stormer-695: Province fans should actually not talk about their 2012 CC win. If it’s weren’t for those to “rugstekers” Taute and Jantjies you would have still been without that koppie.
14 Feb 2013, 23:11 pm
@Tuna-693:
The police have confirmed that Oscar Pistorius is no longer a flight risk.
So they didn’t take his passport away.
Just his legs.
14 Feb 2013, 23:11 pm
@Peter Mkata-698: Peter, I hope your family enjoy it. Nice to have new fans brought into the game.
I think when the whistel blows for kick off I will soften my stance on the Kings and wish every SA team well (except perhaps the Stormers
)
14 Feb 2013, 23:13 pm
@Robzim-694: oh, you are talking about wp?
i was talking superrugby bud, same as the rest of the convo but if the cc makes you feel better then well done i say
@victoriabok-697:
@Peter Mkata-698: have you ever been to kings park?
family place bud, i guarantee you would have happily taken your wife and youngster there again and again without “nasty eyes or hostility” if you had experienced it.
anyways, like i say, i want to fly down for the kings sharks game.
and paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaartyyyyyyyyyyyy!
14 Feb 2013, 23:13 pm
@Tuna-701:
It’s guys like you that make my day.
Check this out china.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HPWD6CoxdE&feature=player_detailpage
14 Feb 2013, 23:15 pm
@I am a stormer-702: Dude…. sorry to be a downer. I usually enjoy a good joke or two. Imagine the father of that girl reading all these jokes and what he must be thinking. Just a thought.
14 Feb 2013, 23:15 pm
ok guys, i am out.
have a good evening all of you.
snoekskiet wake the f uk up ok?
14 Feb 2013, 23:20 pm
@I am a stormer-705: Don’t really give a hoot. Funny that the CC have some value now that the WP has won it huh? Last year the CC was just a a piece of tin according to some of you.
Enjoy it….. it’s back in the Bulls cabinet in 2014 (and worthless again)
14 Feb 2013, 23:21 pm
@Tuna-706:
It’s dark humour. Live with it. Oscar has a lot of explaining to do. There will be some very awkward questions for him to answer.
Of course, my thoughts and prayers are with Reeva’s family.
And Oscar’s family are in need of support too.
14 Feb 2013, 23:24 pm
@I am a stormer-709: More like tasteless, but I’m not gunning for you. Just saying. Night all. I’m out.
14 Feb 2013, 23:27 pm
@Tuna-710:
Mate, it has gone viral. Worldwide. Get a grip.
14 Feb 2013, 23:29 pm
@I am a stormer-711: Oh ok… so it’s ok when because it’s viral? Ahh *** it….. why bother.
14 Feb 2013, 23:29 pm
@I am a stormer-711: why are you so touchy tonight?
14 Feb 2013, 23:45 pm
@The Rangerman-704:
Unfortunately not. But I know it is a great stadium and excellent atmosphere. Been told by acquaintances and read on this site from your postings.LOL.
Been to Newlands which is also great. Ellis Park and Loftus too.
14 Feb 2013, 23:49 pm
@polaris-662:
here is the accurate result of who finished how
@skopdiekan-655:
Since 98 when SR went to new SR format after SA went the franchise route and not the provincial route
Both teams contested semi 5 times Sharks converting to final 3 times Stormers once
1998 S12
3rd Sharks 36 pts
9th Stormers 18 pts
1999 S12
2nd Stormers 36 pts
7th Sharks 25 pts
2000 S12
5th Stormers 31 pts
12th Sharks 9 pts
2001 S12
2nd Sharks 38 pts
7th Stormers 26 pts
2002 S12
7th Stormers 27 pts
10th Sharks 20 pts
2003 S12
9th Stormers 23 pts
11th Sharks 17 pts
2004 S12
3rd Stormers 33 pts
7th Sharks 28 pts
2005 S12
9th Stormers 18 pts
12th Sharks 11 pts
2006 S14
5th Sharks 38 pts
11 Stormers 23 pts
2007 S14
1st Sharks 45 pts
10th Stormers 27 pts
2008 S14
3rd Sharks 42 pts
5th Stormers 41 pts
2009 S14
6th Sharks 38 pts
10th Stormers 27 pts
2010 S14
2nd Stormers 44 pts
9th Sharks 33 pts
2011 S15
2nd Stormers 63 pts
6th Sharks 57 pts
2012 S15
1st Stormers 66 pts
5th Sharks 59 pts
Stormers finished above Sharks 8 times
Sharks finished above Stormers 6 times
Who is the most consistent finisher and who has the better overall win / loss ratio against all teams between the two?
Answer = Stormers over Sharks
14 Feb 2013, 23:51 pm
@ShaunB-703:
Lovely to here. Who knows you probably end supporting KingS!!! LOL
14 Feb 2013, 23:54 pm
I see no reason to exclude 1996 and 1997.
1996 S12
4th Sharks (finalists and runners up)
11th WP
1997 S12
4th Sharks (semi finalists)
WP Did not qualify
Sharks by far more consistent in terms of reaching semi finals and finals.
Stormers a rather average mid table team, usually.
15 Feb 2013, 00:00 am
Sharks have made 1 quarterfinal, 7 semifinals and 4 finals.
That’s 8 years of Super rugby in which they have made a play off game, in 17 years of Super rugby (47% conversion).
Stormers have made 5 semifinals and 1 final.
That’s 5 years of Super rugby in which the Stormers have made a play off game, in 16 years of Super rugby (31% conversion).
So those are the FACTS. Clearly the Sharks are the more consistent team in terms of reaching play off games.
15 Feb 2013, 00:03 am
The Stormers have lost 3 home semifinals.
15 Feb 2013, 00:06 am
Sharks have played in 12 play off games, exactly DOUBLE the 6 played by the Stormers.
Another FACT to prove the Sharks are more consistent in reaching the business end of the competition.
15 Feb 2013, 00:07 am
It was not Stormers in 1996 and 1997 it was WP same as the CC team hence they were not included in 97 as result of finishing 5th in CC and relegated for SR
That is why http://www.lassen.co.nz do not recognize 96 and 97 as part of Stormers stats because they didn’t exist as Stormers but as WP
Hence Lassen Stats show Sharks vs Stormers as played 18 won 9 lost 9 each
there are no stats for WP vs Natal or WP vs Sharks or Natal vs Stormers
15 Feb 2013, 00:09 am
@skopdiekan-721: ho ho ho actually Lassen DOES include stats for 1996 and 1997.
Check this page for the Stormers record: http://www.lassen.co.nz/s14det.php?teamnum=11#hrh
Liar.
15 Feb 2013, 00:10 am
And here is the Sharks record on Lassen: http://www.lassen.co.nz/s14det.php?teamnum=10#hrh
Again, it shows 1996 and 1997.
Liar.
15 Feb 2013, 00:16 am
Stormers finished above Sharks 8 times and Sharks finished above Stormers 6 times in the 14 years they competed on equal footing in SR 98-2012
Stormers have a better overall win loss ratio by approx 2% overall
Sharks played – 195
Wins - 99 – 50.8%
Losses – 91 – 46.7%
Draws - 5 - 2.6%
Stormers Played - 191
Wins - 101 - 52.9%
Losses - 86 – 45.0%
Draws - 4 - 2.1%
15 Feb 2013, 00:16 am
And anyway, who says Lassen is the final arbiter of what is or isn’t included? (notwithstanding the fact that the links posted CLEARLY show Lassen records the 1996 and 1997 S12 years).
S12 is S12 and the records count all the same. Do you deny that the Blues won 2 super 12 rugby trophies in 1996 and 1997 too?
15 Feb 2013, 00:17 am
Lassen includes stats for Sharks in 96 and 97 but not for Stormers because Stormers did not exist in 96 and 97
15 Feb 2013, 00:19 am
@skopdiekan-724: “competed on an equal footing”
Explain this please.
I can understand you may have a hang up about 1997. If WP were too kak to qualify then that vis their problem. In any event this has a neutral effect on their stats.
But to say the teams “were not on an equal footing” in S12 in 1996 and 1997 is just bollocks.
15 Feb 2013, 00:21 am
@skopdiekan-726: click the link fool and see for yourself that Lassen shows WP there in 1996.
Of course they were not there in 1997 – THEY DID NOT QUALIFY FOR THE COMPETITION, Stop perpetuating a fallacy.
Thank you for accepting that Lassen includes the Sharks/Natal’s record in 1996 and 1997.
15 Feb 2013, 00:29 am
WP 1996 S12 record
Finished 11th out of 12
Played 11, won 3, lost 7, draw 1
WP 1997 S12 record
Did not qualify
Natal 1996 S12 record
Finished 4th, won away semifinal, lost away final
Runners up
Played 13, won 7, lost 6
Natal 1997 S12 record
Finished 4th, lost away semifinal
Played 12, won 5, lost 5, draw 2
15 Feb 2013, 00:47 am
Here’s another stat to show Stormers are consistently better than Sharks between 1998 – 2012 when they competed as equal status franchises head to head
if you take the 15 years Stormers vs Sharks
and you add all the positions they finished
Sharks = 99 position places over 15 years = average finishing position = 6.6
Stormers = 92 position places over 15 years = average finishing position = 6.13
Sharks total finish points over 15 years = 496
average over 15 seasons = 33.07
Stormers total finish points over 15 years = 503
average over 15 seasons = 33.53
Net result over 15 seasons 1998-2012 Stormers finished consistently better with lower position place and higher net point scored.
15 Feb 2013, 00:53 am
@skopdiekan-730:
Another lie.
Lassen shows both the Stormers and Sharks’ average table position for all years.
Guess what?
Sharks – 6.29
Stormers – 6.44
It’s all there on Lassen (the site you place so much stock in) easily checked and verified by anyone.
Liar.
15 Feb 2013, 00:54 am
Over 15 seasons 98-2012
Stormers finished half a place higher on the ladder overall with a net 7 point advantage overall
15 Feb 2013, 00:55 am
How were Natal and WP “not on an equal footing” in 1996 or 1997?
Stretching your analysis to the point of downright lies.
It sucks to have to twist and manipulate stats to try to position yourself better in an unwinnable argument, ne?
15 Feb 2013, 00:56 am
OK I am out.
Get a life snoekie.
15 Feb 2013, 01:01 am
They’re calculating
15 seasons for Stormers, 1 season for WP,
and 17 seasons for Sharks
My calculations are based on 15 seasons each 1998-2012
15 Feb 2013, 01:06 am
actually Lassen stats over 15 seasons Stormers and 1 season WP
vs 15 seasons Sharks and 2 seasons Natal
hence the accurate head to head analysis is Stormers vs Sharks 1998 – 2012
15 Feb 2013, 01:13 am
@skopdiekan-715: I can only wonder why you think the season ends with the preliminary round. It cannot be related to fact, any advantage Stormers have gained usually flies out of the window come knockout stage?
Look, no matter how you twist it, Bulls are the most successful SA team with 3 trophies, followed by the Sharks with 4 finals. You certainly can say Sharks scr*wed all of them, that’s true, but Stormers did not even last that long bar once when got similar fate.
15 Feb 2013, 01:14 am
Over the 15 seasons 98 – 2012
Stormers finished higher than Sharks 9 times against 6 times by Sharks
add the 1 year Stormers did not compete = Sharks +1
add 96 Natal ahead of WP = Natal +1
net result over 17 seasons
Stormers finished higher 9 times – Natal + Sharks 8 times
Stormers still consistently better finisher overall.
15 Feb 2013, 01:20 am
@polaris-737:
I’m comparing consistency and overall performance
Crusaders are highest consistent performer
followed by Blues then
Brumbies
Stormers
Waratahs
Hurricanes
Sharks
Reds
Chiefs
Bulls
Highlanders
Force
Cheetahs
Lions
Rebels
That is how the consistency stats over the duration of the competition pan out.
15 Feb 2013, 01:27 am
@skopdiekan-739: Then include ALL games, playoffs including, and you’ll get TRUE measure of consistency.
15 Feb 2013, 01:30 am
@skopdiekan-738:
Ok. How about this. In easy to understand English.
Point 1:
Stormers finished 1st on the log last year. The Sharks finished 5th. So according to your method of calculation the Stormers “are more consistent” in that year because they finished higher on the log. However, the Sharks beat the Stormers in the semifinal.
Arguably no team had a season to crow about but surely as the Sharks made the final and the Stormers did not the Sharks did “better”?
Point 2:
The Stormers may well have ended higher on the log 9 times to 8 (haven’t checked this to verify – you are prone to produce false information). But the Sharks have played in double the amount of play off games 12 to 6. This means that when the Sharks have finished higher than the Stormers they have finished high, in the play off places, whilst the Stormers average finishing position is generally out of the play off places. Stormers have only reached the play offs in 31% of all Super rugby campaigns. Sharks do it roughly 1 in every 2 campaigns. That is the real difference in “consistency”.
I don’t expect you to understand all of this btw (or care to).
@skopdiekan-739: how can a team who only made the play offs in 31% of all years be the 4th most “consistent” team when a team that makes the play offs in 47% of all years is only 7th “most consistent” according to you? He he he methinks you sucked that one right out from where the sun don’t shine.
Just how are you defining “consistency”?
Conclusion:
Ha ha snoekie now you are really straining the imagination in your idiotic and unwinnable quest to prove something which cannot be proven.
Over and out.
15 Feb 2013, 01:35 am
In ranking order there can be no dispute that the SA teams are ranked as follows based on their respective records of winning the trophy and reaching play offs:
1. Bulls
2. Sharks
3. Stormers
4. Cats
15 Feb 2013, 01:42 am
check Lassens consistency rating
go to each franchise and check how each franchise performed overall against all other comers
Crusaders finish top, Blues 2nd, Brumbies 3rd,
then Stormers, Waratahs, Hurricanes, Sharks, Reds, Chiefs, Bulls
In that order.. that is how the overall average consistency ratings pan out.. like it or not.
15 Feb 2013, 01:47 am
Stormers have reached play offs 5 times and Sharks have reached play offs 5 times.
Sharks converted to final 3 times Stormers only once
(apart from 96 when Natal and WP were represented and not Stormers and Sharks)
15 Feb 2013, 02:14 am
@Liewe Luiperd-741: Last year Stormers finished season better than trophy winners Chiefs, if we believe Skop.
15 Feb 2013, 02:35 am
@polaris-745: yeah it kind of makes a mockery of his argument
He has never been one to put forward a rational argument though
15 Feb 2013, 02:45 am
@skopdiekan-744: another lie.
Sharks have reached the “play offs” 8 times, not 5 as you suggest.
1 quarter final play off:
2011
7 semifinals:
1996
1997
1998
2001
2007
2008
2012
Contrary to what you say, the Sharks have made 4 finals, not 3:
1996
2001
2007
2012
Roughly a final once every 4 years.
The Stormers have made 5 semifinals:
1999
2004
2010
2011
2012
The Stormers have made only 1 final:
2010
8 play offs plays 5
4 finals plays 1
Total 12 play off games plays 6
Jeezuz snoekie you have a bit of a thing with being untruthful, huh?
15 Feb 2013, 07:07 am
@Liewe Luiperd-742:
no, the correct ranking of SA super teams by titles and playoffs reached should be:
1. Bulls – 3 titles – 3 times losing semi finalist.
2. Lions (Transvaal) – 1 title.
3. Sharks – 4 times runner up, 3 times losing semi finalist.
4. Stormers – 1 times runner up, 4 times losing semi finalist.
5. Cats – 2 times losing semi finalist.
6. Cheetahs – 0 playoffs reached.
7. Kings – 0 playoffs reached.
and there is even argument to be made for the following order of ranking which wouldmake the lions even more so the 2nd most successful SA super team:
1. Bulls – 3 titles – 3 times losing semi finalist.
2. Lions (Transvaal) / Cats – 1 title, 2 times losing semi finalist.
3. Sharks – 4 times runner up, 3 times losing semi finalist.
4. Stormers – 1 times runner up, 4 times losing semi finalist.
5. Cheetahs – 0 playoffs reached.
6. Kings – 0 playoffs reached.
15 Feb 2013, 07:12 am
@skopdiekan-744:
72% of the Stormers’ victories since 2010 season achieved under SA referees!
Something to cheer about I guess?
15 Feb 2013, 07:13 am
@Hondo-749:
Super Rugby victories that is
15 Feb 2013, 07:21 am
@Peter Mkata-698: Please correct me if I’m wrong but I distinctly remember you saying you were taking your wife to the All Blacks Test at Soccer City last year as she’d never been to a stadium before.
I take it you never went in the end because now you’re saying the same thing again?
15 Feb 2013, 07:22 am
PARALYMPICS “Blade Runner” Oscar Pistorius was charged with murdering his girlfriend yesterday after his neighbours heard three gunshots, then silence for ten minutes — before three MORE.
The first blasts at 3am were accompanied by screams. Fellow South African Reeva Steenkamp, 30 — a model and TV star — was found dead by cops who raced to the athlete’s Pretoria home.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4796129/oscar-pistorius-charged-with-murdering-girlfriend.html
15 Feb 2013, 07:35 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-752:
Poops is going to love this.
15 Feb 2013, 07:48 am
@Fern-753:
apparently not.
he said it was tragic and told me and Gunther off for thinking he would.
sometimes we underestimate the guy
15 Feb 2013, 07:59 am
haha, only on this stormers infested website and in the cape bubble could a team that has reached only half as many playoffs as another team be considered “more consistent”
its nonsense snoeky, no amount of spinning will make any difference pellie.
now eat your lentils and get out there and practice the same brand of “excellence” you espouse here.
15 Feb 2013, 07:59 am
Morning soothsayers, shamens and all outfuckingnutjobs. I’ve realised that this is not the site if one is looking for ‘normality’.
The Oscar episode it tragic, regardless of details yet to emerge. A beautiful young woman is dead….and an icon who has already overcome much, is ruined. Whatever emerges – these 2 facts remain.
Speculation is a mother, and her children are utterretards.
However: Regardless of finer details (murder/culpable homocide/intent/no intent etc….Mr P will be in some trouble. Impulse control issues…. and this should not surprise anyone. Reckless? Inhibition issues? Let’s see. Whether he thought her an intruder or not….4 shots is plensch…..(at most 2 shots…I give him 2 shots because his fear and paranoia is greater than a person who has legs I would guess…)
Anyways speculation does not bring a young woman back to life, nor does it heal her family.
15 Feb 2013, 08:03 am
@The Rangerman-755:
I’m afraid that when it comes to a tourney like this the only thing that counts is winning it.
Cunteye’s statistics are nothing more than interweb onanism.
15 Feb 2013, 08:05 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-756:
He’s had violence issues before.
I doubt very much he’ll get the benefit of the doubt here.
This is Dirty Harry territory.
15 Feb 2013, 08:05 am
Oldwage representing him…… and I see the name Booth being mentioned on some international sites as well. If Booth joins him when this hits the ‘High Court’ – the NPA’s shy te gets real.
15 Feb 2013, 08:09 am
@gunther-758: He has ‘gung-ho’ issues, always has had………however, I am already prepared to throw some money on a friendly bet that he won’t be found guilty in a court of law of murder.
A few contraventions of the firearms act….
Culpable homocide…..etc etc etc etc
Murder = No.
15 Feb 2013, 08:10 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-759:
Indeed.
Billy is the man to have on your speed dial.
First person I call if I’m caught in the Mount Nelson with a kilo of gak and el Presidente’s daughter.
15 Feb 2013, 08:12 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-760: Let’s see what the alternate charges are on the charge sheet.
15 Feb 2013, 08:14 am
@gunther-761:
The advocate for the rights of the guilty….. 
15 Feb 2013, 08:15 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-760:
Manslaughter.
Crime passionel.
15 Feb 2013, 08:16 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-759:
William still busy down in the Cape?
Haven’t seen him since my court days in the ’90′s.
Very nice guy, his clients less so
15 Feb 2013, 08:19 am
@nortierd-765:
Now now Norty don’t be like that.
15 Feb 2013, 08:22 am
@gunther-764: The only person in the country delighted with these events is Jacob Zuma…. What good fortune that all attention is on this and not on his unfuckingrealisticandextremelyfuckingvague State of the Nation praatjie.
@nortierd-765: He selects his cases carefully…… Pick and choose.
15 Feb 2013, 08:28 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-767:
Does anyone even watch that anymore. More lies and bullshit. I’m not sure he even knows what he’s reading. He reminds me of Bushie Jr.
Except more venal.
And to think that it only cost R70 million.
15 Feb 2013, 08:34 am
@gunther-766:
Sorry Gunther
Allow me to rephrase
” some of his clients”
15 Feb 2013, 08:41 am
Ok…only in South Africa would an issue be made about Oscar not travelling to court in the back of the police van…
I’m guessing with 2 prosthetic legs, the liability of the police might be a littlefuckedorscrewed shoud he be injured getting in or out of the back?
Makes sense for him to travel in front….surely?
Now it’s an issue of him receiving favourable treatment……This country. Tsk tsk.
15 Feb 2013, 08:47 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-770:
Indeed.
However the police have a great deal of experience in tossing leg less people in the back of their vans on Saturday nights.
15 Feb 2013, 08:56 am
have watched this ‘debate’ and have to chuckle…
they say a miss is as good as a mile… so who wants to argue about how many times they or their sides have missed…? all it proves is they’re both lousy shots or firing blanks…
fact is neither the stormers nor the sharks have come up with the goods when the chips were down… neither has won diddly in super rugby and arguing about who has missed more shots… or who has even fired the most shots at the grand prize is about as relevant as being placed 7th or 8th in the olympic 100m finals… fact remains neither is good enough to win and were just making up the numbers…
stormers and sharks have proved equally ineffective whenever either of them has reached the sharp end of the super comp… and until either side actually win, the boasting about who came closest more often… only to ultimately come nowhere… is an exercise in puerile petulant personal pandering pointlessness…!
like schoolboys arguing about how many times they ‘nearly’ kissed the pretty girl behind the bicycle shed… dream on children… you’re only gonna know what the kiss feels like when you actually get the kiss… until then all the wildest fantasies won’t make it any more real or relevant…
only the bulls and their fans have bragging rights in south africa… doesn’t matter how long ago they won… they are the last winners of anything of note in south africa…
my friendly advice to stormers and sharks fans is to shut up… until either side manages at last… to put up…
15 Feb 2013, 08:58 am
@gunther-771: Skop and HG have their own designated piddleandpukespots in the back of a few ‘waentjies’.
If the Beeld is anything to go by….this poor woman was shot through the bathroom door, and this 2 hours after police and security were called the 1st time for disturbances in the home. If she ran there and shut herself in for protection, and he just opened fire on that door. Oh boy. I’m not even sure http://www.whenyourshytegetsrealcallbooth.com is able to assist.
Drugs, roids and booze then become your saving grace from a ‘D’ point of view….
15 Feb 2013, 09:03 am
@ufo-772: Agree. The only ones with bragging rights… Transvaal aka Lions, and Bulls.
Trying to add value to the ‘best losers in Super rugby history’ is silly.
15 Feb 2013, 09:12 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-774:
exactly… silly…
and apologies to the transvaal/lions fans… should have included them…
15 Feb 2013, 09:23 am
@Hondo-749:
That is a very interesting figure but also meaningless unless one can compare it to similar figures for all the other teams in the competition.
15 Feb 2013, 09:30 am
@ufo-772:
Spot on.
15 Feb 2013, 09:47 am
@gunther-764: think she teased him, took off his legs, stripped, and asked him to chase her around the room.
15 Feb 2013, 10:09 am
@ufo-772: ‘Skuuuuuuuzze meeee….while I kiss the skyyyyyyyy….
15 Feb 2013, 10:11 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-773:
All I know is that we are going to have to go back to Forest Gump as our favourite disabled superhero.
15 Feb 2013, 10:23 am
@Predawn-777:
shot bud…
@stormersboy-779:
good man…
Am I happy or in misery?
will be answered by the stormers performance this year…
or maybe by
People, Hell & Angels…?
15 Feb 2013, 10:27 am
@gunther-780:
you not making superbru picks bud…?
15 Feb 2013, 10:29 am
@gunther-780: My favourite disabled poster is Bakkies. In fact, the real Bakkies also counts as my fave disabled sporting superhero I guess.
Sorry Bakkies and Bakkies.
15 Feb 2013, 10:30 am
jittery much?
Oscar
Pistorius
@ OscarPistorius
Nothing like getting home to hear the
washing machine on and thinking its an
intruder to go into full combat recon mode
into the pantry! waa
8:06 a.m. Tue, Nov 27
15 Feb 2013, 10:32 am
@ufo-781: Hahaha nice one, as always. Haven’t heard the last one. Has it been released yet?
I’m currently listening to Slash’s latest album, apocalyptic love. The best “GNR” album since Appetite For Destruction. No other GNR members but man it sound just like their early stuff. Really good.
Also enjoying the new ZZ Top, La Futura. More of the same (genius) from the Texans.
15 Feb 2013, 10:33 am
Just read this comment from a friend of Oscars.
“Within the sporting, film and model industry it’s actually quite a tight-knit community. We all know one another.”
Interesting to see how sport is tight with the film and modelling industry.
15 Feb 2013, 10:34 am
@Transformation-784: He’s going to struggle to convince the court that the washing machine made him do it……………
15 Feb 2013, 10:34 am
@stormersboy-785:
should be in early march…
apparently gonna play use several songs in the new season of hawaii five-o in the states… i may have to watch some tv…!!
but should be available on iTunes right away…
15 Feb 2013, 10:37 am
@ufo-788: ja our Tv broke a while ago and I haven’t been inclined to get it fixed. I can watch my sport on VIp Box, as well as movies, US TV channels etc. All the good stuff i get on electronic format anyway.
15 Feb 2013, 10:37 am
@David-786: I know Habana and Oscar are tight.
15 Feb 2013, 10:37 am
@stormersboy-785:
will download slash’s and have a listen…
have la futura… always good… been nearly 10 years… they be getting on a bit now…
15 Feb 2013, 10:38 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-790:
were…?
15 Feb 2013, 10:39 am
time for some rugby at last…
yaaaaay…!!
15 Feb 2013, 10:39 am
William Booth on tv…pretending to not be involved….. giving legal comment in general……
15 Feb 2013, 10:40 am
Hokey cokey, pig in a pokey.
Morning, job seekers!
15 Feb 2013, 10:40 am
Rugby time. !!!!!!!!!!!!!
15 Feb 2013, 10:43 am
@WP-Forever-795:
15 Feb 2013, 10:44 am
james o’cornrow…?
15 Feb 2013, 10:51 am
@ufo-798:
Goodness. What is with young rugby players and atrocious hairstyles?
15 Feb 2013, 11:08 am
@ufo-798:
#whiteboyfail
15 Feb 2013, 17:25 pm
How the hell could they make Frans Steyn captain of the Sharks? He’s so far off his game nowadays this will just add to his misery!
15 Feb 2013, 17:57 pm
gunther@800
epic fail…!!
though good to hear from the commentators that it’s gonna come off for charity…!
good on the guy for being a (silly looking) rebel with a cause…
15 Feb 2013, 22:14 pm
Fans: Kings will embarrass SA
http://www.sport24.co.za/MySport24/Fans-Kings-will-embarrass-SA-20130214
“The Kings will be cannon fodder in the Super XV.” – Sean
“I foresee a long and difficult seasons for the queens!” – BM
“Griquas should have been the team to replace the Lions in relegation.” – Piet Boerie
“Maybe SARU should reconsider and put Griquas in the Super 15 in 2013 instead(LMAO).” – S
“OMG. This is gonna get ugly. I predict record scores this year.” – brenden.greef
“This is why you still not in the Currie Cup, never mind S15.” – werner.vandermerwe16
“Its going to be an entertaining season watching them get hammered in a competition that’s way out of their league.” – beetslaai
“Most of Griquas first-choice players are with the Cheetahs now. Your S15 team lost against a Vodacom Cup team!” – Hendrik
16 Feb 2013, 08:22 am
@nama1-486: well said Nama
16 Feb 2013, 08:55 am
To all who have children.Did you see the anguish on the face of the father
as O.P.was led down to the cells?.He tried to reach out but could not even touch him.I sincerely hope that none of you are responsible for the current round
of jokes.I could one day be your child.
What the hell has happened to us as a people?.No empathy,no compassion
at all shown towards his parent/s
Sies
16 Feb 2013, 09:01 am
@Tuna-706: Well said
18 Feb 2013, 11:22 am
Keo come on!!! These one sided articles about the Kings are becoming a Joke. You are now so far up Cheekys rear end only your shoes are sticking out.
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