Griquas edge Kings
13 Feb 2013
Griquas got the win but Southern Kings Director of Rugby Alan Solomons got questions answered in his team’s final Super Rugby pre-season outing.
Griquas scored late to win 30-27 and Solomons told Keo.co.za on the balance of performance the right team got the winning result.
‘Pre-season matches are about more than the result but every player and team wants a winning one,’ he said. ‘We did not get enough ball to enforce our way of play and all credit to the effort of Griquas. They dominated the lineout and denied us a platform. It is hard to play any game without ball from set piece and if the boys didn’t know that they certainly will now.’
The Kings historic Super Rugby debut is Solomons’ focus and he said bigger than the result in Port Elizabeth was that captain Luke Watson and lock Steven Sykes got through the match in what was their first appearance after lengthy injury lay-offs.
‘We gained from those objectives in that the players returning from injury got the necessary hit out, but in any sport the objective is to win. That we did not get and we did not deserve a winning result. There has never been any illusion about the challenge in Super Rugby proper but we will be in a position to field a match squad close to full strength. That wasn’t looking possible a few weeks ago.
‘It is a credit to our medical and conditioning staff and to the desire of the players.’
Solomons said he was thankful for the commitment of Griquas and how important the match would be in the mental preparation for the historic season opener in a week.
‘Griquas approached it like it was a Super Rugby match and it was the physical and mental preparation you can’t replicate at training. We’ve got lots to work with in the next week. But take nothing away from Griquas. They came here to win and they did so.’
The Kings play the Force in Port Elizabeth to start their Super Rugby history.
By Mark Keohane
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14 Feb 2013, 19:18 pm
@skopdiekan-544: @Dusky-547: Can we not just get along?
14 Feb 2013, 19:21 pm
@victoriabok-541: WP fck’d up wit Pollard and with JL Dup .. I have been scathing about how they targeted Jantjies then went after the young Jordaan brother from Grey Bloem and lost both Pollard and JL Du Plessis in the process.. and then as a poor trade off got the Bulls u 20 player Eksteen as a poor swap..
I don’t know if its also a racially stereotypical maneuver that the youngsters all want to go play their rugby elsewhere for big money or so called profiteering professionalism or who or what is driving there desire to play away from the franchise that actually developed and honed their skills..
The only thing I can think of is that there is a rift between the racial stigma or ideology that is driving some kids to play for Bulls and Sharks rather than play for WP.. and I doubt it is purely and only money that is doing it, unless if it is financially driven then this money game is getting too influential too soon in young inspiring players lives.
14 Feb 2013, 19:23 pm
Ok back to rugby, So the Kings not doing well in their warm up matches?? well was to be expected, in all honesty i did not expect them to be world beaters in their first attempt.
14 Feb 2013, 19:23 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-551: for what purpose get along… to suck the garbage that certain imbecilic morons want to perpetuate as if they are worth anything of any relevance.. when they are emphatically and simply not?
14 Feb 2013, 19:24 pm
@victoriabok-550:
I got plenty – you wanna hear ?
14 Feb 2013, 19:26 pm
@skopdiekan-552: Praat Afrikaans man…..jy maak f0kkol sin….
‘and I doubt it is purely and only money that is doing it, unless if it is financially driven then this money game is getting too influential too soon in young inspiring players lives’
You sound like a real plank.
14 Feb 2013, 19:27 pm
@Dusky-555: Yes please!
Out shortly but back in about an hour!
14 Feb 2013, 19:27 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-553:
Who said they aren’t doing well?
They got the answers, or at least according to the above article, they seem to have.
Not so sure if they know the questions though
14 Feb 2013, 19:27 pm
@victoriabok-524: Their excuses are about to run out. Only a few days left. They even got an extra concession that SARU has decided to turn a blind eye to them having additional foreigners.
14 Feb 2013, 19:29 pm
@skopdiekan-554: Actually it would be the mature thing to do? No?
As for your thoughts on why young players decide to further their careers like at the | Buuls or the Sharks? it is for the same reason a kid would go to UCT than to PMB University, belief is that UCT is a far batter University with a higher standard,
Same for the Rugby career of a youngster, the feeling of most kids is that the Sharks offer a better career opportunity, Ditto Bulls
14 Feb 2013, 19:31 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-553: If Kings manage just ONE win in 2013 the result would be such that Bulls did worse in 2002 and so did Lions in 2010
Bulls also did shockingly in 1999 and 2001 only 1 win from 11 games
So Kings would have to go a far way to emulate those great feats of achievement.. and this by franchises with no dearth of public or financial or popular support and appeal..
If kings do better than this in year one they would have done far better than these great powerhouses of SA rugby managed after not their first year at endeavor but their umpteenth year of consistent trying.
14 Feb 2013, 19:32 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-549: haha.same writing style,still makes spelling errors and the best part…starts the first two letters of some words with Capitol letters-a typical mistake of Sl.
14 Feb 2013, 19:32 pm
@skopdiekan-561: The Kings have already done better than the Stormers did in 1997.
14 Feb 2013, 19:37 pm
I know you are probably embarrassed to blog under your own name after swearing never to return.No problem with that but just behave yourself.ok.no tantrums Sharkslover.
14 Feb 2013, 19:39 pm
@Dusky-563: Here is a tweet from the kid i am talking about, now he applied to the Sharks academy as it is his dream. this is his profile without his name as i do not wish to just put it out here.
Rugby player,nowadays a fly-half #10 and I’m full of life and future Sharks Rugby player
Paarl, Western-Cape
14 Feb 2013, 19:42 pm
To the f ucking ******* who stole my dad’s car today …
I hope you rot in hell
14 Feb 2013, 19:43 pm
You can have all the boys Sharkslover but just let them play rugby.ok
14 Feb 2013, 19:43 pm
@S_K-564: Dillusion is a serious problem for you, keep trying fella, actually from what I have seen in the past 2 weeks? swearing and racism is you forte, but hey if stupidity is your thing I guess we can respcet that
14 Feb 2013, 19:45 pm
@skopdiekan-561:
In 99 Bulls got 1 win from 11 games
in 2000 Both Bulls and Sharks got 1 win from 11 games
In 2001 Bulls got 2 wins from 11 games
In 2002 Bulls got 0 wins from 11 games
(Sharks got 4/11 and Cats 1/11 = 3 SA teams propping up the bottom of the table)
so in 4 years 99 – 2002 Bulls played 44 games and won 4, a success rate of around 9%
Lets see Kings do worse than that… and Bulls had plenty money and plenty clout and no constrictions as to where they got their players from yet they hit bottom 4 years in a row consistently.
14 Feb 2013, 19:45 pm
@Dawn-566: Don’t be racist.
14 Feb 2013, 19:46 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-568: I have never made racist comments on this blog Sharkslover .where did you get that from? Be honest with yourself and just admit that you are Sl that loses his marbles for any small reason .
14 Feb 2013, 19:46 pm
@skopdiekan-569: In 1997 the Stormers got 0 wins from 0 games as a result of not qualifying. That is the kakkest of the lot. The Kings by virtue of being included have already done better than that.
14 Feb 2013, 19:49 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-565: Yes well people’s perceptions and reality are two completely different things.
When the Free State’s claim that the Sharks steal all their players was posed to the Du Plessis brothers, they said that they were Sharks supporters all their life. Learned it from their dad.
I didn’t live in Natal either when I lived in SA but who do you think I would have encouraged my kids to play for ?
So does that mean that they were really poached ?
14 Feb 2013, 19:49 pm
@Dusky-570: LOL Dusky that was not racist, Dawn was just sending the car thief to a warm place.
14 Feb 2013, 19:49 pm
@Dusky-572:
Well, they also didn’t lose any games, so it makes them more sucessfull.
I prefer the glass is half full approach
14 Feb 2013, 19:50 pm
The funny thing is ,Sharkslover ,is the fact that when grant outed you ,Hg jumped to your defence to say that you are not Sharkslover .hahaha.that was the dead give away that day.
14 Feb 2013, 19:51 pm
Speaking of pollution where is that wannabe creature?
Capitol indeed.
14 Feb 2013, 19:51 pm
@Dusky-563: Stormers were excluded because they came 5th in the 96 CC Cheetahs took their place in S12 .. so they didn’t participate due to their CC status not their SR status
since then Stormers are the most consistently successful SA side in spite of what you big bok money rattling brekers think you are, Stormers got a better average result than all other SA franchises including Bulls and Sharks.
14 Feb 2013, 19:51 pm
@Dusky-573: For sure I know, the Du Plessis family have always been Sharks supporters
14 Feb 2013, 19:52 pm
@nortierd-575: I think it’s a bullsh&t argument to be honest. I dont buy into it at all. I am just replying to your fellow WP supporter because he for some reason thinks this is a valid reason for the Kings to be included in Super rugby, and that by benchmarking their performances against the poorest performances by SA teams that their inclusion will be validated.
That is how stupid the d00s is.
14 Feb 2013, 19:52 pm
@skopdiekan-569:
It’s a pointless exercise trying to remind them of that.
I have been doing so up here for many a year when they had the bragging rights, but believe me, it’s like it has been erased from their memories.
14 Feb 2013, 19:53 pm
@S_K-571:
What you mean apart from the time you called transie a k…..?
Ok then.
14 Feb 2013, 19:53 pm
@skopdiekan-578: Not the Bulls with 3 Super rugby titles ?
14 Feb 2013, 19:53 pm
On your Fb page you use the same phrase as your nick directed at the Stormers.Some of your mates found it hilarious .
14 Feb 2013, 19:55 pm
@Dusky-580:
I know
I don’t think the scores will be that big against them, after the first few rounds the teams will have sussed them out and will use the match against them to rest their top players.
Maybe at the business end teams will start going for big scores to prop up their points difference
14 Feb 2013, 19:56 pm
Seriously Sharkslover ,you even made the same mistakes in that post as you do here.
14 Feb 2013, 19:59 pm
@S_K-586: Damn you are like a stalker?? SL must be on you mind night and day? you seem in dire need of a friend on here?? sorry mate, you are not friend material
14 Feb 2013, 19:59 pm
@Dusky-583: Stormers got a better average win loss ration in super rugby than all the other franchises.. Sharks come a close second and Bulls third but Stormers are still top.
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-579: since when are the Du Plessis family always been Sharks supporters.. since Michael and Willie and Carel all played for EP and WP and TVL or since when?
14 Feb 2013, 20:00 pm
OK dinner time. cheers all and someone please find a friend for S_K
14 Feb 2013, 20:01 pm
Kudos to grant for outing you Sharkslover .I just had to do a bit of investigating myself to confirm it.
14 Feb 2013, 20:01 pm
@skopdiekan-588: Jannie and Bismark as per what Dusky and i discussed, not the Du Plessis you refer too.
14 Feb 2013, 20:02 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-589: cheers Tyrone .
14 Feb 2013, 20:02 pm
@skopdiekan-552:
> The only thing I can think of is that there is a rift between the racial stigma or ideology that is driving some kids to play for Bulls and Sharks
Like this maybe?
http://www.frontrowgrunt.co.za/2012/01/rassie-a-symptom-of-wp-disease/
or this
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/CurrieCup/WP-team-too-white-Wakefield-20110801
Rather sidestep it all and leave
After all a 18 year old rugby player wants to play rugby and enjoy life, not worry about politics
14 Feb 2013, 20:06 pm
Before you go ty,don’t list Lambie on your Fb page as your son.that is not cool .
14 Feb 2013, 20:10 pm
@skopdiekan-569:
> In 99 Bulls got 1 win from 11 games
in 2000 Both Bulls and Sharks got 1 win from 11 games
In 2001 Bulls got 2 wins from 11 games
In 2002 Bulls got 0 wins from 11 games
(Sharks got 4/11 and Cats 1/11 = 3 SA teams propping up the bottom of the table)
> and Bulls had plenty money and plenty clout and no
Wrong again, they were nearly bankrupt then, they could only afford to contract U/20 players at that time 2000-2001
HM turned it around slowly by winning the VC in 2001 and the CC in 2002, but up to then they had very little money
They definitely could not have afforded a R3 million salary like Pukes at the Kings
14 Feb 2013, 20:11 pm
Stormers
Played – 191
Wins – 101 - 52.9%
Losses - 86 – 45.0%
Draws - 4 - 2.1%
Sharks
Played - 195
Wins - 99 - 50.8%
Losses - 91 - 46.7%
Draws - 5 - 2.6%
Bulls
Played - 194
Wins - 93 – 47.9%
Losses - 97 – 50.0%
Draws - 4 – 2.1%
14 Feb 2013, 20:14 pm
@skopdiekan-588: So you think a win/loss ratio is more important than 3 titles ?
14 Feb 2013, 20:17 pm
@skopdiekan-596:
Add semi finals and finals played, wins, losses in there while you’re at it
Especially home semi’s won
14 Feb 2013, 20:18 pm
@nortierd-585: Dude you are forgetting how the Super 15 goes. Teams will want the 5 log points, but over and above that they will want the points difference. You forget that in 2005 I think it was, the Sharks missed out playing in the semi-final because of 1 point on points difference – can you recall why ? Because the Stormers took a 41 point rogering from the Bulls in Cape Town in their last round robin match.
Teams will not relax against the Kings unless they are forced to. They will want max points and max points difference. Nobody has relaxed against the Melbourne Rebels have they ?
14 Feb 2013, 20:19 pm
@victoriabok-598: ha ha ha ha….shame jirre – the Stormers still have the win/loss ratio thing. At least they have something.
Oops I forgot they also have the conference winners trophy and they also won that pre-season warm up thing twice. LOL !
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