Griquas edge Kings
13 Feb 2013
Griquas got the win but Southern Kings Director of Rugby Alan Solomons got questions answered in his team’s final Super Rugby pre-season outing.
Griquas scored late to win 30-27 and Solomons told Keo.co.za on the balance of performance the right team got the winning result.
‘Pre-season matches are about more than the result but every player and team wants a winning one,’ he said. ‘We did not get enough ball to enforce our way of play and all credit to the effort of Griquas. They dominated the lineout and denied us a platform. It is hard to play any game without ball from set piece and if the boys didn’t know that they certainly will now.’
The Kings historic Super Rugby debut is Solomons’ focus and he said bigger than the result in Port Elizabeth was that captain Luke Watson and lock Steven Sykes got through the match in what was their first appearance after lengthy injury lay-offs.
‘We gained from those objectives in that the players returning from injury got the necessary hit out, but in any sport the objective is to win. That we did not get and we did not deserve a winning result. There has never been any illusion about the challenge in Super Rugby proper but we will be in a position to field a match squad close to full strength. That wasn’t looking possible a few weeks ago.
‘It is a credit to our medical and conditioning staff and to the desire of the players.’
Solomons said he was thankful for the commitment of Griquas and how important the match would be in the mental preparation for the historic season opener in a week.
‘Griquas approached it like it was a Super Rugby match and it was the physical and mental preparation you can’t replicate at training. We’ve got lots to work with in the next week. But take nothing away from Griquas. They came here to win and they did so.’
The Kings play the Force in Port Elizabeth to start their Super Rugby history.
By Mark Keohane
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14 Feb 2013, 15:32 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-397: i will tell you this, it was anatomical but had nothing to do with colour
14 Feb 2013, 15:33 pm
@Fern-386:
Oh boy
And Johnny Klegg must be a white zulu, right?
14 Feb 2013, 15:34 pm
@Hondo-402:
Clegg is a racist european then because his wife and kids are white according to skop.
14 Feb 2013, 15:35 pm
@gunther-399:
they were going to rugby practice!
@Fern-400: yup, their spirits will join with the peaks of the amatolas and fly like the vultures and be one with the ancestors har har.
14 Feb 2013, 15:36 pm
@nama1-390:
Were you being respectful to me when you false accused me a little earlier in the year? Do you rememeber that?
Dont play the victim now.
14 Feb 2013, 15:37 pm
@Fern-403: he is a fkking colonialist according to the resident “africaness” expert snoekskiet.
14 Feb 2013, 15:37 pm
@The Rangerman-375:
“a child of a black person and a white person is not a cullart, they are mixed race – a cullart is the offspring of two mixed race parents”
So what then do we call a child of a Venda person and a Tswana person? Also a mix race?
According to Dilligafrican’s definition of race, a Venda and a Tswana are two different races or do we only get mix race when one of the parents are white?
14 Feb 2013, 15:38 pm
@John Galt-405: bud where is machangulo lodge?
so you say your folks are smashing the fish?
sheesh i hope i have that kind of luck.
14 Feb 2013, 15:38 pm
We have seen how science and education were used to promote ideas of racial superiority, but they have also helped us to overcome these beliefs. Nine days ago on 7 June Professor Philip Tobias died. He was a scientist, a white South African from a Jewish family, who studied the history of human beings going back millions of years. His field is called paleoanthropology.
His investigations of human fossils were crucial in proving, scientifically, that there is no such thing as a superior race. In 1961 Tobias published a book called The Meaning of Race in which he disproved the myth of racial superiority. He said: ‘The so-called races of mankind are simply a variety of different sorts of surface anatomy’. This is a deeper point than the one revealed by the Giliomee extract; it is not just that “races” are themselves the products of historical “mixing”, but that race is itself a myth: there is only the human race. In other words, inside we are the same.
I have gone into all of this to show that race is not real in science.
However, race is real in our society, in our power relations, in our economy, in our lived reality, in our culture, in our jokes and prejudices, in our attitudes and in our work.
14 Feb 2013, 15:40 pm
@nama1-407: venda and tswana are tribal not racial groupings nama.
haha, i can see you are trying to corner me here, stalking me like i stalk a rubberlips on the reef
besides, those werent my words, they were the words of the Harry. Beachwalker. Legend.
14 Feb 2013, 15:41 pm
Sorry, but I have to mention this…
There was a pub where I used to drink (since closed) which was frequented by a lot of Poms.
One of them came up with a classic when they abolished the Immorality Act all those years ago…
“Oh goody, now I can sleep with my curtains open!”
14 Feb 2013, 15:41 pm
@John Galt-405:
No victim here CUNTRY boy.
I did not accuse you falsely and you know it. You were pissed of when Vernon Philander was selected against the Aussies in 2011. It was only after he shut you and others up with his performances, that you came around. Don’t freakin deny it.
14 Feb 2013, 15:42 pm
@The Rangerman-406:
Ruth First
Neil Aggety
Beyers Naude
The white lawyer that was blown up.
Atleast David Bowie is African then cause his wife is a black african,oops but they nevr did have kids…
Bob Marley is coloured but his dad is african because his mom was black and his dad was white
Are albino then not african?
14 Feb 2013, 15:43 pm
@Fern-403:
Skop’s nonsense should not be repeated even as a joke,
Skop should stick to rugby where on occasions he has some good insight, not often though
14 Feb 2013, 15:43 pm
@cosca-409: precisely.
we are all **** sapiens (again i say it).
however race is not an abstract, it is a reality.
so either we face it and recognise it or try to hide from it or dissavow it.
the reality is that cultural groupings have LARGELY (not exclusively) been tied to race.
and my culture is best
jokes all you racists!
14 Feb 2013, 15:46 pm
ok, i am out.
have a goodie all you crackers.
14 Feb 2013, 15:51 pm
@cosca-409: correct .. but those espousing race as a reality, like the very supremacists you find here that still want to keep their apartheid symbols of separate development in society, in sport, in education, in commerce, in science, in religion, in life, alive will try tell you that race is real and that we are all different, and that this difference should be maintained as a virtue, a separately developed and identifiable virtue where one race is deemed to be more virtuous or worthy or respected than another..
this is the sickness of society.. and this is what the fight for the freedom from all prejudice revolves around.. however in rugby circles it is akin to those who hold the high moral status of the previously advantaged position of white sport for white aspirations who still cling to race as a means whereby they can identify and herald their differences as a gift of nature or a gift of God.
14 Feb 2013, 15:52 pm
@cosca-409:
My family knew him well, he was actually a Professor of Medical science and pathology in many medical schools around the globe
He lived in Hillbrow most of his time in SA even though it became a no go area for whites some 30 odds years ago, so he must had a first hand knowledge of the issue?
14 Feb 2013, 15:54 pm
Sorry, had to run out.
Nama, colour would of course be part of that classification as it is a anatomical differentiator.
However, the idea of race is a purely human construct and in fact can change over time dependent on society’s perceptions. The fact is we don’t all look the same and hence people are classified if you like according to social conceptions involving folk taxonomies.
BTW, that definition is not mine.
14 Feb 2013, 15:59 pm
@skopdiekan-417:
Do you also hate Africans who eat meat?
You are a hypocryte of note.
Don’t know who you are trying to impress or suck up to.
Maybe you make copies of the drivel you post and attach it to Goverment tenders hoping to score some BEE points.
14 Feb 2013, 16:02 pm
heard last week adi jacobs is coaching at milnerton rugby club… helping out with the backline… kid i spoke to was in awe of adi saying how much value he’s adding and helping them to up their game…
i always believed adi was an under-rated and under-appreciated player… helluva creative centre in my book… and ran lines that most south african centres aren’t even able to in their wildest most uninhibited dreams…
great that he’s ‘putting back’… well done adi…
14 Feb 2013, 16:06 pm
@Hondo-418: what issue .. that you are as human as the Zulu or Venda or Maasai or Yoruba or Xhosa or Somali or Oromo or Chiwa or Kongo or Hutu peoples of this continent.. or you still suspiciously place yourself outside the demographics of humanity and classify yourself as somebody ‘different’..and apart ?
14 Feb 2013, 16:11 pm
@nortierd-420: what kind of krap you talking here.. that I suck up to BEE companies for brownie points like perhaps you and this fernfuckwit does…
I don’t hate anyone.. meat eaters or non… I don’t even hate you even though you perhaps hate more than half the people you share a habitat with in this land you call your birthplace and your african heritage.
I might hate the practices of meat eaters and racists alike but I do not hate the practitioners of the dreaded disease of society you might perpetuate in your obtuse blindness of what is right and what is not.
14 Feb 2013, 16:13 pm
Heavens Game desperately wants to be Aryan.Interesting historical facts that’s probably not going to sit very well with him.
It is one of the ironies of history that Aryan, a word nowadays referring to the blond-haired, blue-eyed physical ideal of Nazi Germany, originally referred to a people who looked vastly different. Its history starts with the ancient Indo-Iranians, Indo-European peoples who inhabited parts of what are now Iran, Afghanistan, and India. Their tribal self-designation was a word reconstructed as *arya- or *rya-. The first of these is the form found in Iranian, as ultimately in the name of Iran itself (from Middle Persian rn (ahr), “(Land) of the Iranians,” from the genitive plural of r, “Iranian”). The variant *rya- is found unchanged in Sanskrit, where it referred to the upper crust of ancient Indian society. These words became known to European scholars in the 18th century. The shifting of meaning that eventually led to the present-day sense started in the 1830s, when Friedrich Schlegel, a German scholar who was an important early Indo-Europeanist, came up with a theory that linked the Indo-Iranian words with the German word Ehre, “honor,” and older Germanic names containing the element ario-, such as the Swiss warrior Ariovistus who was written about by Julius Caesar. Schlegel theorized that far from being just a designation of the Indo-Iranians, the word *arya- had in fact been what the Indo-Europeans called themselves, meaning something like “the honorable people.” (This theory has since been called into question.) Thus “Aryan” came to be synonymous with “Indo-European,” and in this sense entered the general scholarly consciousness of the day. Not much later, it was proposed that the original homeland of the Indo-Europeans had been in northern Europe. From this theory, it was but a small leap to think of the Aryans as having had a northern European physiotype. While these theories were playing themselves out, certain anti-Semitic scholars in Germany took to viewing the Jews in Germany as the main non-Aryan people because of their Semitic roots; a distinction thus arose in their minds between Jews and the “true Aryan” Germans, a distinction that later furnished unfortunate fodder for the racial theories of the Nazis.
14 Feb 2013, 16:14 pm
@Dilligafrican-419:
Yeah, you right.
I know it’s not your definition, don’t worry.
@The Rangerman-415:
Care to explain the difference between “a race” and “a tribe?”
From the definition put up there by Dilligafrican, I would say that tose “tribes” (according to you) fulfill all the criteria to be classified as a race.
Are the white Afrikaans speaking South Africans a different race from English speaking white South Africans? If so, would a child born out of an Afrikaans speaking white person and an English speaking white person be classified as “mixed race?”
14 Feb 2013, 16:18 pm
@ufo-421: Jake White couldn’t see his value he picked Olivier above him every time.. he couldn’t even see Ettienne Botha’s value even though between Jacobs and Botha they skinned every other center partnership in the country in half time and time again…
By the time PdV selected him in 2008 it was already too late by then his value had diminished.. and those like the white is right brigade just couldn’t get the hang of what had actually transpired because he was playing in a system that was not aligned to his attributes.
Eddy Jones instituted the idea of Frans Steyn into first center when JdV went down in 2007 otherwise Olivier would have gotten that gig at the WC too and then 2007 lucky packet accolades might never have happened if it weren’t for Jones giving White sufficient courage to go with his gut felt convictions.
14 Feb 2013, 16:23 pm
Why do the guys behind the stumps(presently), especially Abe DeV have such difficulty burying their racial past, including that ‘baasskap’ attitude?
Just listen to all those references to Robin Peterson, an adult male as “yea boy” or ” come on Robbieboy” or “good boy” and it is being heard globally.
14 Feb 2013, 16:23 pm
@nama1-425:
If so, would a child born out of an Afrikaans speaking white person and an English speaking white person be classified as “mixed race?”
So its (a) Dad’s a soutpiel and mom’s a boeremeisie, or (b) dad’s a dutchie and mom ‘n peperpoes, and the kids are all “mixed race”.
jislaaik, gonna have some very confused kids
14 Feb 2013, 16:24 pm
@skopdiekan-423:
The way you carry on doesn’t exactly spell love does it?
Answer this then, the “Africans” of non Europian decent who play for France and England, are they also on your shitlist like we who were born in Africa are?
14 Feb 2013, 16:24 pm
@cosca-424: yes the Aryan was a Sanskrit derivative of the people of the Iranian / Persian / Afghanistan civilization
In fact the entire European continent was populated by the Indo – European.. and this is where they originally inherited their so called Aryan genetics from.
That is why the Romans were worshiping Persian and Hindu gods such as Mithras etc.. and where they went and mixed up their latter adopted religious ideology of Christianity with their prior pagan beliefs such as Mithracism etc. and etc.
14 Feb 2013, 16:26 pm
456…its back
14 Feb 2013, 16:30 pm
very nice piece by Keo on McCaw in SA Rugby.
Pity Bakkies won’t read or agree with it.
14 Feb 2013, 16:30 pm
How often have Steyn and Morkel and Kallis been called “boys”?
14 Feb 2013, 16:31 pm
@nortierd-429: I don’t attack the individual or the people or the society.. there is no hate attached to anyone.. every human being is attempting to forge ahead with his or her own personal evolutionary aspirations… what I attack is the insidious concept of superiority or separateness or apartheid of classes of humans as bred and perpetuated through the minds and education of those who try preserve there separateness as something superior or virtuous.. this is what is called racism.. a belief or ideology bred upon the false premise that one race or ethnic division of mankind is apart or superior or separate in attribute of human condition to another.
14 Feb 2013, 16:32 pm
@ET.-433: they be madalas
14 Feb 2013, 16:32 pm
@ET.-427:
Don’t be ridicilous.
14 Feb 2013, 16:32 pm
wasted enough time here today..
out now
14 Feb 2013, 16:34 pm
@Dilligafrican-428:
Why do you feel the need to resort to obscenities?
14 Feb 2013, 16:36 pm
@The Rangerman-415:
“however race is not an abstract, it is a reality.”
I’ll disagree and say: Colour is not an abstract, it is a reality.
When you can change your race as you like,as per some examples that I’ve given you (whatever the reason/s for it), it becomes abstract.
14 Feb 2013, 16:39 pm
@skopdiekan-434:
really
is that why you said that i gave my woman cancer by having s ex with her?
14 Feb 2013, 16:39 pm
The racially exposed like the Angerman, and the John Guilts and that feminine plant, still confused by general terms like “Aryan” and more specific terms such as “African” and other matter, sociological?
Little do they realise that in the process they expose themselves more and more as a rare breed called ‘racist morons’ and we expect them to hail from that ‘enlightened corner of the “Last Outpost ….. ” and they do not disappoint.
14 Feb 2013, 16:39 pm
@skopdiekan-434:
Skop, you attack anything from religion, Christmas, Easter, meat eating etc. if you don’t subscribe to the same doctrine.
And not just that, you attack the people who dare post anything you don’t agree with.
You generalise and paint everyone with the same brush.
It is your right to say what you feel and believe, but by the same token, anyone else should also be afforded the same opportunity.
My passport will indicate that I am South African, yet you claim I’m some European, so are you saying every person with a white skin in SA should buggeroff?
If that is the gist of your argument, that’s why I asked you about people with dark skins playing for European countries. Should they also bugger off out of France and play for some African country?
14 Feb 2013, 16:39 pm
@TooMuchRugby-438: have you considered the audience?
14 Feb 2013, 16:40 pm
And the plant is right down in the gutter again , as usual.
That is to be expected when you are not educated.
14 Feb 2013, 16:42 pm
I have seen the word ‘halfnaaitjie’ being used on two occasions this week on different websites.One Afrikaner blogger used the term against ,I assume ,a coloured blogger on one website.Basically he implied that he was of pure race and proud of it. Did he had a valid point or is it just a myth?
Genealogy of Afrikaners
Exhaustive research was carried out by Professor JA Heese for his book Die Herkoms van die Afrikaner (The Origins of Afrikaners) published in 1971. Professor Heese studied parish registers and numerous other sources to track down how many European (Dutch and German, mainly) settlers married non-European brides.
Between 1652 and 1800 over 1200 marriages were performed between white and ‘black’ or white and ‘mixed blood’ people. By that figure Professor Heese determined that approximately 7.2% of Afrikaner heritage is non-white. (Similar studies have suggested this might be as much as 10% in reality).
Professor Heese suggested a genetic mix for the average Afrikaner to be: 35.5% Dutch, 34.4% German, 13.9% French, 7.2% African/Asian/Khoi, 2.6% British, 2.6% Other European, and 3.5% undetermined. Hardly the ancestry you’d expect from such ardent segregationalists.
14 Feb 2013, 16:46 pm
There has been some really funny posting on here today.
Enjoyed the read.
14 Feb 2013, 16:47 pm
@ET.-427:
Don’t be silly now.
Sport people talk like that the world over. Nothing to do with his colour. What do you call it when he talks to Morkel, Steyn or Kallis that way?
@Dilligafrican-428:
Maybe we should just call them “Coloureds.”
14 Feb 2013, 16:51 pm
@nama1-447:
Simply and truthfully answer the questions pertinent to Robin on the one hand and the others duly named.
‘En ophou gatkruip ou Dawid Kruiper se kleinseun.’
14 Feb 2013, 16:53 pm
@cosca-445: my dad’s family arrived here in the 1600s. The records indicate that the woman he married was a Maria van den Kaap. She was no dutchie I assure you.
Yet apparently I can’t be African ???
14 Feb 2013, 16:56 pm
Nice, the P@ki’s are showing some fight.
The BOYS shouldn’t underestimated these guys.
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