How France shaped Frans
13 Feb 2013
Frans Steyn’s benefit from an overseas rugby playing experience is further evidence of the changing landscape of South African rugby.
Francois Louw is a better player now than when he left Western Province for Bath. Percy Montgomery returned to South Africa a more accomplished player than the 50 Test veteran who left for Wales and who many accepted was past his best and would never again play Test rugby. Montgomery added 52 Tests to his CV, won the Tri Nations and was integral to South Africa winning the World Cup in 2007.
He never turned his back on South Africa. Montgomery was drained from the routine of Super Rugby, Test Rugby, Currie Cup Rugby and Test Rugby. He wanted to experience something else and he just needed a bit of time away from the public glare. Montgomery has often told me what his time in Wales taught him was to be a rugby professional and to assume the responsibility of the overseas professional. He said he grew up as a person but more so his rugby matured because he was taken out of his comfort zone.
Ditto Louw and ditto so many other South Africans who are currently playing in Europe, the United Kingdom and Ireland, and even in Japan.
It is the way of the modern game the our best players can command the highest salaries in European club rugby and it is not a crime for any young player to want to reap the financial rewards, experience a change of pace in life, grow as a person and by circumstance of experiencing new responsibility become a better rugby player.
The vitriol from within the South African rugby support base is a common package directed at any player who wants to experience an overseas stint. Immediately he is cast as the villain and immediately the local based player is put on a pedestal of loyalty to the national jersey and the national flag. It is absurd in the context of the evolution of the sport as a profession, and it betrays the incredible value to those players who at an early age experience the overseas influence and return to South Africa in their mid 20s so much wiser and adding so much more value to rugby teams in South Africa and to the national cause.
I’ve constantly been amazed at the ‘out of sight out of mind’ attitude, especially when so much of the English Premiership, French Top 14 and Heineken Cup is shown on SuperSport, and that so many of the South African players are consistently the best performers.
Somewhere a misguided principle of patriotism has painted these South Africans as sinners to the cause of the South African game because their talent allows for interest and lucrative financial reward from Europe’s wealthiest clubs.
Ronaldo did not sell out to Portugal soccer because he earns his monthly salary at the club prepared to pay him his market value and more. The same applies to every South African soccer talent that is overseas based. I don’t want this misinterpreted as saying being based overseas makes a player automatically better than what is based in this country but why choose one or the other when the option should be to choose both or make an informed national selection based on player pedigree and form and not where the player is based.
Steyn won a World Cup at the age of 20. He had won a Tri Nations and a British and Irish Lions series at the age of 22. He needed something to rekindle the enthusiasm of the schoolboy who won his first Test cap a year after finishing his schooling. He went to Paris very much a young man with a sheltered view of the world and return a mature young man with a very different view of the world, of his own country and of his responsibility to his chosen profession.
Steyn, had he stayed in South Africa, may at 26 years old have been considering giving it all up and playing out the final four years of his career in a less demanding Japanese club environment for huge financial gain. He may have given up on the ideal of Bok rugby and contributing to rugby within South Africa because seven successive years of scrutiny and intensity within the South African rugby landscape had drained him and left him exhausted, fatigued and flat.
His move to France turned a boy into the man who John Plumtree has now entrusted with the captaincy at the Sharks.
Plumtree said Steyn was a leader of men, a player with vast experience, in South Africa and abroad, and a winner. He also knew what it meant to be a professional.
It is a fantastic endorsement from Plumtree but also reward for a player who never betrayed South African rugby and also never betrayed his love for the game. Instead he recognised what he needed to reinvent his enthusiasm and to challenge his comfort zone.
Steyn is just one example of how leaving South Africa for a short term gave him an appetite for a longer contribution to the game in South Africa.
Steyn’s story is one that hopefully continues to challenge the outdated and simply outrageous belief that a player who leaves South Africa to play abroad sells out on South African rugby and should be treated as a traitor. Judge a South African player on what he offers this country’s national rugby and not on the country in which he decides to get reward for his rugby talent.
Supporter mindsets must change because the professional status of the player has ensured that their mindsets also had to change.
By Mark Keohane
312 Comments
12 Feb 2013, 18:27 pm
yes keo, let all the players go & ply their trade in Europe & Japan & devalue the standard of our domestic competitions…Newscorp will keep shelling out dough for varsity cup quality..
12 Feb 2013, 18:29 pm
francensteyn
12 Feb 2013, 18:34 pm
yeah… agree mark…
in the 21st century professional anyone’s can ply their trade anywhere in this global village of ours…
and the bok coach should not only be allowed to, but encouraged, to select the best south african players where in the world they may be based…
12 Feb 2013, 18:35 pm
@ufo-2: LOL
12 Feb 2013, 18:36 pm
@Transformation-1: Transie you forgot your “dragons”. You have been here long enough to know better
12 Feb 2013, 18:38 pm
@bokfan1-5: sorry!
12 Feb 2013, 18:39 pm
bokfan
12 Feb 2013, 18:44 pm
I dont think they are always painted as “sinners ” Keo (not for me personally), and ‘out of sight out of mind’ is only to be expected (when SH rugby is in full flight).
Personally I just think there have been too many “false-starts” players picked from overseas that never really excel (Snyman for Jake, Big Joe for PDiv etc) and then also, often SA players are touted as absolute gods up north, and people in SA clamour for them to be made Boks, but when they play for the Boks (or Super rugby) again they look the same as when they left SA, and everyone remembers why they were so frustrated with that player.
a good example is Ruan Pienaar. He looks amazing for Ulster, and Ulster fans regard him as a god. But when he played for the Boks (in NH conditions nogal!) most people were saying he is still too slow, his kicks too long or not accurate, he doesnt snipe etc etc.
Schalk Brits is another – he runs circles around guys in England & Europe, but he didnt look so amazing for Stormers and only got 5 mins for the Boks (so Im not saying its his fault – he was out of position for Stormers, and didnt pick himself for the Boks).
My point is just that these incidents help to create a perception that NH players are not as good as it is claimed
Rory Kockett looks amazing right now, but in SA he was not good enough to be a Bok.
I agree it can be very beneficial for the player as a person – look at Frans. Luke also seems to have really grown up and become his own person. I was very impressed with his radio ballz interview.
It has also definitely helped certain players (Percy, Frans) but often this has to do with pressure and expectation on the player in SA.
Flouw did got the chance to refine his game, and probably was able to do this with help of the slower game in NH and less demands from the game than in SA.
Hence the game is not as tough or fast.
12 Feb 2013, 18:45 pm
@Transformation-6:
12 Feb 2013, 18:45 pm
Chrissakes Keo… in a pub and had a look online while waiting for associates… and then i saw this article… Excellent. One of his best.
Same as rugby… such is life… a while overseas broadens the horizons, sharpens the saw, and leaves you wanting to do more, embrace more and contribute that much more when returning…
Fransie for Bok Cappie??? Who knows by the end of season and Sharks maybe win Super rugga… who knows…
12 Feb 2013, 18:46 pm
@ufo-7: Very sharp UFO.
I am loving Fransie though and I think he is awesome again.
I am not a Sharks fan, but I hope they start well and do SA proud.
From what Ive seen of the Stormers, it looks like they will play like the did last season. Few tries and no bonus points. Win the conference (maybe) but get knocked out in semis (again)
Please prove me wrong Stormers
12 Feb 2013, 18:52 pm
Given his physical conditioning when he came back I’d say this is an unfortunate choice of headline.
12 Feb 2013, 18:57 pm
@gunther-12:
Yes, when I heard he was going to France, I thought he would enjoy quite a bit of pie and tart over there
Upon his return I saw he rather opted for confectionery
12 Feb 2013, 18:58 pm
@gunther-12:
12 Feb 2013, 19:01 pm
shot bud…
yeah… reckon sharks are definitely the team to beat and frans will have a lot to do with that…
interesting choice as captain… wish him all the best…
the stormers…!!?? yeah they’ve frustrated us fans for too long now…
personally I think they will run it more this season… but will still want to secure the win…
the first two games will be key… if we manage to beat the bulls and sharks then it may free up their mindset…
if we lose to both of them I fear they will fall back on their conservative defensive mindset…
can’t wait for it to start already…
12 Feb 2013, 19:04 pm
@ufo-15: Agree about those first 2 games. Possibly they will have more confidence as it will be “Currie Cup” opponents, so hopefully they will show the form that WP showed last year
It pains me to admit it, but the Sharkies know how to win S15 knockout games. Bulls too. Stormers must join the gang
12 Feb 2013, 19:06 pm
@gunther-12: very sharp of you Gunman…
110kg of croissants…
12 Feb 2013, 19:11 pm
yeah you’re quite right… we blow the super knockout games…but hopefully the guys have learnt from those experiences and are a bit wiser and mentally tougher…
time shall reveal all…
12 Feb 2013, 19:12 pm
I agree with Keo’s point that we shouldn’t attack them for going overseas for a short period. However I don’t agree with his previously stated opinion that we should pick players wherever they play as part of the professional era. For me, we should only pick overseas players as a last resort and give priority to the ones in SA.
12 Feb 2013, 19:12 pm
People aren’t bothered with players making money – good for them. They are annoyed and fearful that a youngster, like Stander, can easily qualify to play for another nation after a ridiculous 3 years. That is what concerns most people.
12 Feb 2013, 19:20 pm
I can still remember Gavin Cowley interviewing Frans, then a novice Shark that had done well in a particular game, & Fransie replying: “Ja, oom, …………….”
Sharks captain? Springbok captain? Whoaaaah!!! Lets first see him make a success of captaining the Sharks during Keegan’s absence – then only can there be some expectation of a regular future Sharks and/or Bok captain in the making …
Has the lad ever captained anything … does anyone know?
Please not another AB-type captain learning the ropes at international level …
12 Feb 2013, 19:26 pm
@David-19:
> we should only pick overseas players as a last resort and give priority to the ones in SA
The problem is the rate of attrition with Super rugby
When the Poms arrived last year we had more than a full Bok team injured
And the players know their playing career will be much shorter if they play Super rugby hence you’ll see more players opting to play up North mid-career while they can still earn the big money
We should use them as an asset especially with the End of year tour, we could give the first line players a rest and send only the guys normally playing off the bench and youngsters and augment them with NH based players like Schalk Britz, Ernst Joubert and others used to local playing conditions
12 Feb 2013, 19:30 pm
Fransie’s defining moment of on field talk:
“Fok jou! Ek het jou nie gebyt nie!”
12 Feb 2013, 19:31 pm
yeah david…
I did qualify that by saying the ‘best’ players… if players are much of a muchness I too would give priority to locally based players…
rhygwyn…
isn’t that because they believe their chances of playing for the books are diminished…? because of the general non-pick policy…?
if they knew they had every chance of selection if they proved to the best in their positions with consistent quality performances, they may not be as quick to sign on the dotted line for another country…
12 Feb 2013, 19:35 pm
@Angostura-21:
I don’t think any rational human beings are calling for Frans to be bok captain.
12 Feb 2013, 19:35 pm
@rhygwyn-20: That problem is sorted for the future If a player had been selected for the SA U20 team then he cannot represent another national team.
Not sure when this came into effect. I think since 2012.
12 Feb 2013, 19:36 pm
@Transformation-17:
I see the hypocrites at SAFA are gunning for Setshedi.
You’d think they’d never been done for that.
12 Feb 2013, 19:43 pm
Oosthuizen on his way back
Feb 12, 2013
Cheetahs prop Coenie Oosthuizen’s comeback from injury is on track after he came through his first live scrums unscathed this week.
The Springbok front-rower, who has been sidelined for the last few months with both a neck and back injury, is recovering steadily, with the Cheetahs nursing him slowly back into action.
Despite missing all three of the Bloemfontein-based franchise’s warm-up matches, Oosthuizen is a likely starter in next Saturday’s Super Rugby opener against the Sharks.
He was given permission to partake in the scrums, after receiving clearance from a specialist, and Cheetahs coach Naka Drotske is happy with the 23-year-old’s progress.
“Coenie looked very good in practices and we are full of confidence he will be able to play against the Sharks next week,” Drotske told Supersport
Meanwhile,Springbok fly-half Johan Goosen, who missed all the warm-up matches with a foot injury, has also been declared fit for the clash with the Sharks in Bloemfontein.
“We could have played him if we wanted to but we decided not to risk him. He has been taking part in full practice sessions for about a week now,” Drotske added.
“The only discomfort he has is a little irritation when he kicks, but that hasn’t bothered him much and he will be ready for the start of the season.”
12 Feb 2013, 19:47 pm
@victoriabok-22:
I’ve got no argument with that. The ABs seem to know how handle their players with sanctioned overseas stints.
12 Feb 2013, 19:48 pm
@gunther-27: eish…scapebok!!!
i saw a photo of phil ‘jones’ setshedi cuffed
very embraboer…nematandani is an incompetent bootlicker if u ask me!
12 Feb 2013, 19:52 pm
@Transformation-30:
What I don’t understand is that all these SAFA hoods were guilty of match fixing and now they have all had their suspensions lifted.
To be a flyboy the wall at their recent FIFA visit.
They make SARU and CSA look like rockstars.
What’s up with sports administrators in SA?
12 Feb 2013, 19:53 pm
@Horings-26:
I think the rule only applies to a countries designated B team, which we’ve never had. In our case we finally nominated the u/20s I believe.
12 Feb 2013, 19:57 pm
@gunther-25: well, gunther, see post 10 in the thread:
“Fransie for Bok Cappie??? Who knows by the end of season and Sharks maybe win Super rugga… who knows…”
but agree that not from a rational poster
12 Feb 2013, 19:58 pm
@Dilligafrican-23:
@gunther-25:
this is so funny
12 Feb 2013, 19:59 pm
@Dilligafrican-23:
you’re good.. you’re really good
12 Feb 2013, 20:21 pm
keo
Fully agree, a change in mind-set by all is needed. The laaities wil return older and a lot wiser for the experience of having played abroad. Some will remain journeymen and play out their whole careers in the NH or wherever.
But what is also needed that we get our heads around is that SH players will represent nations in the 6 Nations or Australia. That has to be a by-product of the strength of SH rugby in general. Whereby players unable to represent the Boks still end up playing international rugby.
12 Feb 2013, 20:24 pm
and something for the rockets amongst us…
new album of all previously unreleased songs called ‘people, hell & angels’ to be released on 5 march…
by none other than…
the one…
the only…
jimi hendrix…!!
should be interesting…!!
12 Feb 2013, 20:30 pm
rockers…
12 Feb 2013, 20:31 pm
@ufo-37:
Where do they hide these songs?
And what takes them so long?
Oh wait… a new generation of Hendrix fans will be born. Deceased rock stars still earn mega bucks.
In fact rock stars don’t die…. they just lose their rhythm.
12 Feb 2013, 20:35 pm
yeah who knows stormer…
pretty cool though…!! read some positive reviews…
wonder if kids will go for it…? will be interesting to see how we’ll it does…
for sure most baby boomers gonna love it…!
12 Feb 2013, 20:39 pm
as neil young said…
my my hey hey
rock & roll is here to stay
it’s better to burn out
than to fade away…
12 Feb 2013, 20:43 pm
@I am a stormer-39:
> Where do they hide these songs?
> And what takes them so long?
Most muscians have songs rejected by labels or deemed not good enough by themselves laying around
When an anniversary comes up, ie 30 years ago “A” died or he would have been 70 tday etc., the record labels launch a new “undiscovered” track together with a “Best of” album or two
12 Feb 2013, 20:47 pm
“reward for a player who never betrayed South African rugby ”
According to reports in the news last year HM asked Fransie on one of his visits to SA: “When are you going to play for the Boks again?”
Fransie answers: “The day when YOU are the coach, oom.”
Right there is your proof that he did indeed betrayed SA rugby. Would he have come back if PdV stayed on as coach? No way.
Fransie has not shown us anything since coming back last year. Not in a Bok jersey or in a Sharks jersey. How then can you say his overseas stint made him a better player? Just because he said so? Let him prove it on the field like Flo did.
12 Feb 2013, 20:51 pm
@victoriabok-42:
True. But let’s see how good they are. And whether they sell well.
And then again, the sales of the rest of their albums take-off as well.
It’s called “bingo marketing”.
12 Feb 2013, 21:00 pm
They should all go and play in Europe…
Ditch the Super Rugby Championship. SA will then truly experience professional club rugby… Provinsialism might fade in some ways if SA form a new tournament with Europe,considering that SA players wont feel obliged to play in SA for a SA clubs….
When you think about it the travel schedule takes a lot of the ‘professionalism’ away from the sport. Why would you travel so much when the alternative is to travel less and to be paid more money. No more jetlag excuses.
Wish SARU had some balls and made this happen.
12 Feb 2013, 21:01 pm
not necessarily…
i heard the boss being interviewed in the 90s talking about how many songs he has…. says he has ‘hundreds’… he writes 2 or 3 times more than he needs for an album… then they select the best in terms of quality, mix, singles and ‘album’ songs etc…
the boss will be releasing albums way after we’re all gone…
12 Feb 2013, 21:01 pm
RT @keocoza: How France shaped Frans: Frans Steyn’s benefit from an overseas rugby playing experience is further evidence … http://t.c …
12 Feb 2013, 21:04 pm
Rolling Stone says, “the album’s first single, Somewhere, suggests his most complex work may have only been ahead of him.”
1. “Earth Blues”
2. “Somewhere”
3. “Hear My Train a Comin’”
4. “Bleeding Heart”
5. “Let Me Move You”
6. “Izabella”
7. “Easy Blues”
8. “Crash Landing”
9. “Inside Out”
10. “Hey Gypsy Boy”
11. “Mojo Man”
12. “Villanova Junction Blues”
anyway… will be cool just because it’s cool…
and will be interesting to hear… and see how it does….
12 Feb 2013, 21:10 pm
also, due to his untimely demise, quite conceivable that hendrix had recorded material for upcoming albums… and this material may not necessarily be reject stuff at all…
12 Feb 2013, 21:13 pm
and back to rugby…
Cape Town – Stormers flyhalf Elton Jantjies is back in training with the Cape side after taking time out following the death of his father.
Jantjies – who is on loan from the Lions for the Super Rugby tournament – was given time out after his dad passed away in Pretoria late last month.
But the Springbok pivot has since returned to Cape Town and, according to the Rugby365 website, will be available for their first Super Rugby outing away to the Bulls on February 22.
“We are very happy to have him back obviously, and I think Elton is ready to go. He is looking forward to the next couple of training sessions and if he gets selected obviously, to play,” said coach Allister Coetzee.
“I think we all know Elton’s abilities and he really looks in good nick so we are looking forward to seeing him play.”
Further good news for the Stormers is that skipper Schalk Burger has recovered well from his calf strain and is expected to return to team training later this week.
12 Feb 2013, 21:13 pm
@ufo-47:
Will keep a look-out for it
@ufo-47:
Will keep a look-out for it. As I will for the latest Bowie release – just because we haven’t heard from him for a while.
12 Feb 2013, 21:16 pm
absolutely stormer…
me too…
12 Feb 2013, 21:16 pm
RT @keocoza: How France shaped Frans: Frans Steyn’s benefit from an overseas rugby playing experience is further evidence … http://t.c …
12 Feb 2013, 21:20 pm
@ufo-49:
Will be interesting to see the AC decides on. He has stated that he will only start with those that have participated in at least one of the 2 warm-up games. So to me, Coleman will get the nod – but given Elton’s proven pedigree things could change.
And Schalk needs time off the bench – contact sessions don’t replace game time. He needs the confidence in his kop that he is over his injury – AC must ease him back into the big time.
12 Feb 2013, 21:25 pm
@ufo-48:
We will probably never know whether it is rejected stuff or not. As a huge fan of hendrix I won’t be happy if they release stuff that Jimmi himself might have thought is not good enough to be released at the time. I reckon if he had recorded material for upcoming albums that he was very happy with then somebody would have known about it and they would have released it long ago.
But let’s see how it goes- I have listened to a short clip of one song on you tube and it sounded quite good..
12 Feb 2013, 21:26 pm
yeah i would’ve started schalk from the bench even if he did play… but he’s only starting to train ‘later in the week’… so let’s see if he gets through that first…
but elton is a definite step up from kurt… so i fully expect him to get the nod…
12 Feb 2013, 21:29 pm
@I am a stormer-52:
AC has said he might make an exception in the case of Jantjes and is even prepared to arrange a practice match (a few chukkas as he called it) between 2 Stormer teams in order to give Jantjes some “gametime” before te game against the Bulls.
12 Feb 2013, 21:31 pm
yeah rob… i know you are…
agree we most probably never will know… though the quality may give us an indication… don’t think any fan wants a hash job done just for the big payday… and don’t either wanna see them tarnish his legacy…
but i can’t see rolling stone just doing a pr number for the record company… if they think it’s okay it should be pretty interesting…
hopefully…??
12 Feb 2013, 21:38 pm
“We’re thrilled to be able to release People, Hell & Angels, during the celebration of the 70th anniversary of my brother’s birth. The brilliance of the album serves to underscore what we’ve known all along: that there has never been and never will be a musical force equal to his and that we cherish and take inspiration of what he left us both now and for many generations to come…simply eternity.”
Janie L. Hendrix
but i guess she would hardly say it’s rubbish hey…?
will have to wait and hear for ourselves…
12 Feb 2013, 21:40 pm
@ufo-58:
It will be interesting to hear Skopskiet’s views on this- he is the greatest Hendrix fan in history… Jimmi and Joe C ocker and nobody else
Justkiddingskoppy.
12 Feb 2013, 21:43 pm
hehehe
it will be interesting to hear skop’s take on this…
in round about…
3
2
1…
???
12 Feb 2013, 22:10 pm
Pleased to see my sharkies so far in front of the poll for “who will win the SA conference?”
The majority of Keo members do have some sense after all.
Except us sharkies don’t place too much value on just winning a silly lil’ conference, like fans of some other team, do we?
12 Feb 2013, 22:12 pm
Why has there been no thread on the Kings ignoring SARU’s rules? Will SARU disqualify the Kings or dock them table points for each match they continue to have 5 foreigners in their squad?
12 Feb 2013, 22:13 pm
Cheeky is being incredibly, well, cheeky, isn’t he? I can see why most have no time for this troublemaker.
12 Feb 2013, 22:26 pm
@ShaunB-63:
They should be disqualified, rules are rules
13 Feb 2013, 05:01 am
‘Times is few…’, remember first game is just after sunrise on Friday SA time.
Come join my Super Rugby prediction game on SuperBru! It’s free and loads of fun. Just click here:
http://www.superbru.com/superrugby/pool.php?p=11047241
Pool name: Hore set for hefty ban…
Pool code: busycoon
13 Feb 2013, 05:04 am
PS we up to 113 players, two short of the most we had in the ‘keo league’.
13 Feb 2013, 05:05 am
@victoriabok-65:
VB rules set by saru mind you, I say let them have the players, it is not going to change anything.
13 Feb 2013, 05:13 am
Hahahahaha! Nooit!
Khodder Nasser has labelled Francois Botha “a sore loser” after the South African claimed he was offered $150,000 to throw his fight against Sonny Bill Williams.
Botha alleges Nasser, Williams’s manager, had offered him the sum in a Brisbane park on Tuesday last week, three days before the supposed World Boxing Association (WBA) title fight which Williams won on points.
These clowns have reached rock bottom and decided to start and dig…
13 Feb 2013, 05:43 am
@Slartibartfast-69:
They’re both as bad as the other… Nasser and Botha… as for SBW… the guy is just too stupid to know either way…
Even the WBA have distanced themselves from the ‘fake’ title…
13 Feb 2013, 05:45 am
@Slartibartfast-66:
If you have the time for both comps… ruggaworld’s comp (RatRace) is easy to participate and has excellent prizes…
13 Feb 2013, 05:53 am
As for Frans… he needs an entire season uninjured… I cannot remember one from him for quite some time…
13 Feb 2013, 06:07 am
I love the fact that the Sharkies are being touted as local favourites. Personally I do believe the Stormers have a stronger squad with more depth but we’ll let the results speak at the end of the comp. Frans has been average so far – let’s see what happens this season.
13 Feb 2013, 06:09 am
@bryce_in_oz-71:
Will check it out Bryce
13 Feb 2013, 06:20 am
Yeah Sharkishits are already full of themselves without a ball kicked in anger yet. Bulls are actually the dark horses if they play their youngsters like Pollard Serfontein Venter Engelbrecht Mastriet Botha Willemse Kirsten
and leave their dead beats Spies Olivier
13 Feb 2013, 06:23 am
@W.P-73:
It is called grandstanding, everyone is a winner before a ball is passed in anger…
You would think the Stormers are a stronger combination than last year and as such should be top of the pops come end of the season. Sharks will have to improve substantially to overtake them.
Anyway, long season and a few key injuries early on and the picture changes quickly, happens every year.
13 Feb 2013, 06:25 am
skop is confusing his animals again but what else can you expect from a vegan…
Should they not be the dark cows?
13 Feb 2013, 06:25 am
Stormers have a stronger squad than last year. Sharks have Frans added. Can’t wait for the games to begin
13 Feb 2013, 06:29 am
@W.P-78:
Sad, I am even looking forward to the dire OZ derbies on the weekend…
13 Feb 2013, 06:29 am
@Slartibartfast-77: cows, horses. Same difference. Well, in the UK at least.
13 Feb 2013, 06:30 am
Stormers also stand to implode if they’re pinning their hope of success on the advent of Burger and his captaincy credentials or Jantjes and his playing ability these could be the very two high hopes that sink them.
13 Feb 2013, 06:38 am
Yeah what is the difference between a horse or a cow when you flesh eating carnivores can’t taste the difference which consciously murdered beast you devoured in your burger king or BIg Mac hamburger
13 Feb 2013, 06:46 am
Flesh eating carnivores…you get other types?
skop doing his normal ‘cover all bases’ pre-season predictions. By kick-off on Friday he would have backed and shot down just about all of the 15 teams. So come the final he will tell us ‘see, told you’.
Senile old fool
13 Feb 2013, 06:52 am
Nasser: Botha’s suggestion of bribe a ‘fantastic tale’:
Khoder Nasser has hit back at claims from Francois Botha that the South African was offered a $150,000 bribe to throw the fight against Sonny Bill Williams, saying it was a “fantastic tale” and the boxer must by “flying high”.
Speaking from Durban, Botha told LiveSport radio this morning he was picked up from his hotel on the Tuesday night before the fight and taken to a “very nice park” where he was asked to lose on purpose.
13 Feb 2013, 06:53 am
“My cellphone was confiscated and given to the guy in the car,” Botha said. “I was being walked and during this walk I was made an offer of $150,000 to throw the fight.
“I just said, `no, I can’t do this’.”
However, Nasser, Williams’ controversial manager, has given the latest claim, which came after suggestions the fight was cut from 12 rounds to 10 and an apparent failing of a pre-fight drugs test by Botha, short shrift.
13 Feb 2013, 06:54 am
“It’s pretty blatant that he’s got form in trying to come up with anything to discredit the show,” Nasser said.
“First it was that he thought it was 12 rounds and then that he knew it was 10 rounds and then that my brother took the drugs test and then okay, someone else took the drugs test and then it was tampered with and … now this is the latest fantastic tale.”
13 Feb 2013, 06:54 am
Nasser added of the drugs test claims: “He voluntarily gave his urine, nobody asked him for his urine. He must have been flying high when he did that as well.”
Botha said he told a close friend about the alleged offer of a bribe on his return to the hotel.
“As I came into the hotel, he could clearly see that I am very upset. I tell him I need to see him and talk about this.
13 Feb 2013, 06:55 am
“He said, `Fran, if you ever think about doing this I’m going to get on a plane and go back to South Africa because I don’t want to be part of this’. I told him straight, `Listen, I’m not doing this. I’m a Christian and I cannot do this’.”
The allegation is the latest in an extraordinary series of events around the WBA International heavyweight title fight, won on points by Williams. The fight was originally scheduled for 12 rounds but controversially cut down to 10.
13 Feb 2013, 06:56 am
so now youre going to litter every thread with this banality?
let it go man..
its a shame you dont spend half the time you do denigrating NZ to actually trying to better your own society..
13 Feb 2013, 06:57 am
Now, however, Botha wants a rematch and is meeting with a WBA representative tomorrow to discuss his case.
“I want this fight to be declared a no contest. If this little Sonny Bill, this little fighter that he believes he can be, wants to prove something, stay away from David Tua in the first place because David Tua will knock him out. Fight the White Buffalo and prove yourself as a fighter.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10865124
13 Feb 2013, 07:03 am
Which beast you chop up and chow on your bbq or sluk down your throat unsuspectingly in your hamburger even you don’t have a clue long as its filled with blood and burned flesh and sinew wtf do you care could even be a donkey or a cat or dog and you wouldn’t know the difference. I wonder if you’d tell the difference between human and pork.??
That’s how senility is measured when you can’t tell the difference which living entity you stuffing down your unconscious palate
So which franchise your rooting for your tie me kangaroo down syndicate or die ou tyd herinderinge
13 Feb 2013, 07:06 am
@the curse-89:
Hi Pops…e pehea ana koe? I see Houston posted each individual Kiwi Player at those NRL clubs under investigation, even those who have just joined. We might smoke da ganja in ol Nz to feel irie…but the roids are for wannabees…hehe
As for the Boxing….Sbw is the winner…hehe….as we predicted.
13 Feb 2013, 07:07 am
@the curse-89:
Pal you’re the head honcho when it comes to littering threads… from rape-stats to pathetic EMO confessions… and ne’er the Twain an iota of rugby!
13 Feb 2013, 07:13 am
Why the human and pork comparison skoppelos? Just because you act like a pig on keo most of the time does not mean the human race is closely related to pigs you know.
You worry about the variety of beans you eating and I will worry about my meat. Well worry is probably not the right word to use, more a choice of rare or medium rare than a worry for me.
13 Feb 2013, 07:14 am
@bryce_in_oz-93: and who asked for your worthless opinion? Im only returning serve, the constant posting of articles denigrating NZ deserve a response… dont like it, good, then fck off..
@Te Rangatira-92: aye, all good here bro.. hope you and yours are well.. mate, roids are rife in SA schools, parents encourage their young uns to use them, but do we hear anything about this? of course not, bakkies turns a blind eye to it all, like he does SA indiscretions on the rugby field..
13 Feb 2013, 07:17 am
@skopdiekan-82:
i agree with you to an extent, Skop.
i’ve eaten horsemeat and for the most thought it was beef.
very hard to tell the difference.
13 Feb 2013, 07:18 am
@the curse-89:
So what should bakkies or all of us South Africans be doing to better our own society instead of being on keo?
Please explain point by point.
13 Feb 2013, 07:20 am
@Te Rangatira-92:
hello TR, how are you?
yes, those stats are probably a small indication of possible Kiwi involvement in the Ozzie doping scandal going on at present. i gather its people under possible suspicion? the list is from the NZ Herald.
TR, don’t ruin your crediblity by sticking up for SBW just to get back at me.
it’s not worth it, boet.
13 Feb 2013, 07:20 am
@Fern-97:
education is a good place to start..
13 Feb 2013, 07:20 am
@the curse-95:
Returning serve is also getting lame,it does not make you better than us on here who you dispise,it drags you down to our level.
Can you not be the better man?
Sorry interupt,so what should we be doing to make Mzansi a better place in your opinion?
Enlighten us also please about your struggle credentials and how you went to extraordinary measures with personal cost to oppose this.
Listening to “Weeping” by Bright Blue does not count.
13 Feb 2013, 07:21 am
@the curse-99:
Stop being vague
To the point concise answers,steps we can implement each day.
13 Feb 2013, 07:22 am
Botha a Christian oh dear now I’ve heard it all, what tin pot church would that be.
13 Feb 2013, 07:22 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-96:
Man Bakkies, skop does not know the difference between a skaap tjop en ‘n hoenderdy, let along between different red meats.
13 Feb 2013, 07:23 am
@Fern-100: never professed to be the better man, though many of you seem to think you are..
strange you dont like me saying bad things about your country, yet you expect us kiwis to sit in silence when you mouth off about ours..
13 Feb 2013, 07:23 am
@the curse-95:
honestly Pops, i think you should tread carefully here.
who knows what could come out of any possible investigation into Kiwi sports doping?
—————
Kiwis in spotlight as drugs probe continues:
The New Zealand Rugby League have become interested bystanders to the Australian Crime Commission’s investigation into drugs in sport as they try to plan the Kiwis’ World Cup defence.
The six NRL clubs – Manly, Cronulla, Newcastle, Canberra, North Queensland and Penrith – mentioned in the ACC report were all contacted by the NRL on Monday night but given no further information, leaving them unaware what they were being investigated for. The Warriors have not been contacted and are confident they operate cleanly.
There is still little detail about what the commission has found and what sanctions, if any, might be brought down on clubs or individuals.
There are a number of New Zealand players who are at the six clubs or have played there recently, including Kieran Foran, Jeremy Smith, Sam McKendry, Dean Whare, Lewis Brown, Sika Manu, Jason Taumalolo and Antonio Winterstein, and the NZRL are keen to find out what it might mean with the Kiwis due to defend the World Cup later this year in the UK and France.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10864994
13 Feb 2013, 07:23 am
Kiwis or Kiwi-eligible/declared players at the clubs involved in the Australian Crime Commission investigation:
Newcastle
David Fa’alogo
Jeremy Smith
Paterika Vaivai
Marvin Filipo
Tonga Likiliki
Toka Likiliki
Zane Tetevano
Junior Sa’u (left for Melbourne)
Evarn Tuimavave (left for Kull KR)
Penrith
Sam McKendry
Dean Whare (from Manly)
Lewis Brown (from Warriors)
Sika Manu (from Melbourne)
Canberra
Scott Jones
Bronson Harrison (has left for St George-Illawarra)
North Queensland
Jason Taumalolo
Antonio Winterstein
Kalifa Faifai Loa
Wayne Ulugia
Felise Kaufusi
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10864836
13 Feb 2013, 07:25 am
@NZINCHINA-102:
The exact could be said of Nasser and his army of Muslims like SBW, Mundine et al… they all show up their religions…
13 Feb 2013, 07:26 am
@the curse-104:
You have freedom of speech,but you are sidetracking yourself now.
Answer my question re how to make RSA a better place and what was your sacrifices and struggle credentials.
I am not fighting,please engage us.
13 Feb 2013, 07:27 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-105: why? SA have been doing it for years, as highlighted by the shocking numbers reported in SA schools..
again, make sure your back yard is clean first bakkies before pointing fingers..
Im not naieve enough to think it doesnt happen in NZ, but the way you go on its like SA is clean and there is no drug usage at all..
just look at your man Botha (the boxer), hes a known drug cheat yet you act like hes some sort of role model..
13 Feb 2013, 07:27 am
@Slartibartfast-103:
Nor GM corn, indigestible legumes and grains…
13 Feb 2013, 07:29 am
@the curse-109:
Ignore bakkies for a while and answer my questions.
you made a statement now back it upwith advice.
13 Feb 2013, 07:29 am
@bryce_in_oz-107:
Botha said he was a Christian so he couldn’t take a dive lol I’m just wondering what sect of Christianity he’s from that allows him to be on the juice, hit after the bell etc and even after all the accusations he’s made he still wants a rematch, don’t you find that a little odd the a man of god would do all this?
13 Feb 2013, 07:30 am
@Fern-111: I made that statement to bakkies, which concerned bakkies..
as I said, Education is a start… teach people how to better their own lives, rather than pay lip service by working in the townships twice a week..
Id hazard you only do that for the profit you can make anyways..
13 Feb 2013, 07:30 am
@the curse-104:
now, i’m not saying doping is rife within NZ sport proper or that there is a similar level of abuse within rugby union in NZ BUT… what i am saying is just go a little easier on these doping insults in consideration of this.
is there a conspiracy? i dont know, maybe… maybe not… i dont really care that its NZ or not.
i certainly believe it should be investigated and punished in all the territories involved in super rugby, SA included.
i never believed there was a conspiracy or out of control doping in SA and to an extent i still dont, but if its happening then i condemn it in the strongest possible terms and hope it will be dealt with strongly.
i do take heart from the fact we seem to make every effort to do so.
13 Feb 2013, 07:32 am
@Slartibartfast-103:
yes, good point and i hadn’t thought of that, Slarti.
how would he know the difference anyway?
13 Feb 2013, 07:32 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-114:
“i dont really care that its NZ or not.”
strange then that you only list the kiwis under investigation? why not all the players? doesnt fit with your agenda does it?
13 Feb 2013, 07:33 am
@NZINCHINA-112:
‘The same sect that Nasser a notorious spiv belongs too… shows up religion for what it is…
13 Feb 2013, 07:33 am
@the curse-113:
Educate people to bettter their own lives…
You are stuck in a shack with no job,no electricty and one tap shared by 100 people.
How do they better their own lives?
Lots of children are raisning up to 3 brothers and sisters due to their parents passing away from aids.
How do okes like bakkies improve RSA?
13 Feb 2013, 07:37 am
@Fern-118: what do you do in the townships Fern, except make a profit?
so no one anywhere teaches people that condoms prevent Aids?
13 Feb 2013, 07:37 am
@bryce_in_oz-117:
Correct if I’m wrong but Nassar didn’t mention his, they supposedly tried to bribe him, falsified his drug sample, chopped of rounds etc and he still wants a rematch don’t you find that odd?
13 Feb 2013, 07:37 am
@the curse-109:
so we can agree that both NZ and SA needs to police doping more stringently.
i do feel that we make efforts to expose it, as can be seen by the information you quote back to me. this comes from our own investigations and sharing in the media.
for NZ i feel not enough is being done to out illicit activities.
13 Feb 2013, 07:40 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-121: the whole world needs to police doping more stringently, but when a known drug cheat can still participate in a sport then it defeats the purpose dont you think?
until they give people life bans doping will continue, the rewards are too great to discourage people from trying to get away with it imo..
13 Feb 2013, 07:41 am
@the curse-109:
no one said Botha’s a role model?
besides, he failed a drug test once in his life (and this was 18 years ago) and was punished appropriately by having his title stripped.
to insinuate he is a drug taker now is disingenius and a little shameful of you.
13 Feb 2013, 07:42 am
Claims of bribes of $150,000, mystery men lurking ringside, an apparently failed drugs test before the fight, a controversial unanimous points decision – is this really what Sonny Bill Williams wants?
His desire to be one of the world’s best athletes is a lofty, even laudable, one, but this farce – hard on the heels of a dreadful week in Australian sport amidst claims of match-fixing and performance-enhancing drugs – could cause irrepairable damage to the 27-year-old’s image.
13 Feb 2013, 07:42 am
@the curse-119:
Stop asking me questions,give us practical suggestions.
Lots of aids cases are mother to child cases
The gov once gave out flyers about aids prevention and each had a condom stapled on…
I am a link in a chain that gives people water,housing and services.
We atleast do the work unlike some anc connected people who run away with the money.
There is unfortuantly a scholl of thought that you cannot eat a sweet with a wrapper on when it comes to condom usage.
Lots of girls get pregnat because then they can get a child grant and that is their only source of income.
But of course you know all of this.
13 Feb 2013, 07:42 am
After the chaos inside and outside the ring at the Brisbane Entertainment Centre, Williams sat exhausted and relieved in his dressing room between two of his greatest allies – trainer Mick Akkaway and Quade Cooper.
His other, manager Khoder Nasser, was keeping a close watch on the half dozen or so journalists allowed to interview Williams (one, an ABC reporter, was not allowed entrance as Nasser didn’t like his attitude in the aftermath of the WBA International heavyweight fight).
13 Feb 2013, 07:42 am
Williams appeared humbled by what he had experienced. The realities of the fight game appeared to be catching up with him and he was thankful he had received a unanimous points decision despite having received the beating of his life at the hands of a 44-year-old.
13 Feb 2013, 07:43 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-121: and you know not enough is done in NZ how?
are you linked to NZs anti doping agency? do you know the processes NZ has in place for catching drug cheats? I dont personally, or do you think we dont have any protocols or procedures in place to try and catch drug cheats?
again, your agenda is showing..
13 Feb 2013, 07:45 am
@Fern-125: not going to get into this with you Fern, my comment was directed at the amount of times Bakkies spends denigrating NZ, if he put half that time into helping those within SA society he could accomplish great things..
tell us again about kiwi woman, you seem to delight in that huh?
now run away Lazarus
13 Feb 2013, 07:45 am
@Fern-125:
You could start a circumcism program in the townships apparently that is doing wonders in other African countries.
13 Feb 2013, 07:47 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-123: to suggest he hasnt used them since is also naive, surely he lives near one of your schools?
13 Feb 2013, 07:47 am
@Fern-118:
“How do okes like bakkies improve RSA?”
By leaving?
13 Feb 2013, 07:48 am
@the curse-131:
Bothas a christian he wouldn’t do that.
13 Feb 2013, 07:49 am
@the curse-129:
No let us go on.
There is also a cultural belief in some circles that raping a young girl cures aids.
You said bakkies must spend his time bettering RSA,so give us all pointers please.
13 Feb 2013, 07:49 am
@the curse-122:
i agree with the idea of life bans, in principle, as a ‘shock & awe’ approach might be more effective.
its not lost on anyone that Armstrong at the end of all this is still considerably well off and besides the titles that have been taken from him has never been made to suffer a punishment fitting to his crimes.
13 Feb 2013, 07:49 am
@NZINCHINA-130: That’s a cultural practice among most SA tribes anyway. Not quite the same further north.
And a good few die at these initiation schools every year due to an incompetent/drunk dude giving them the snip.
13 Feb 2013, 07:52 am
@Dilligafrican-136:
Oops that’s no good but I read it reduces transmission rates by up to 50% so surely that would be a good start where it isn’t done.
13 Feb 2013, 07:52 am
@NZINCHINA-130:
There is a huge advertising campaign for circumcision.
The initiaton schools are sadly still popular and it is also seen as a rite of passage and entry into manhood.
13 Feb 2013, 07:53 am
@NZINCHINA-120:
I find nothing odd when the Nasser circus comes to town… particularly in QLD the WBA officials and boxing legends have said all anyone needs to hear about the ‘sham’ non-title fight, the length of the bout and the non-drug test… all else is a mere continuation of that…
13 Feb 2013, 07:53 am
@NZINCHINA-137:
They do it with a dirty blade and the youngsters die from infection,coupled with living in harsh conditions out in the veldt does not help.
13 Feb 2013, 07:54 am
@the curse-128:
its just the absence of any reports, however isolated, which makes me suspicious.
especially in rugby union there seems to be almost zero know or reported instances of illicit drug use.
does this not strike you as odd?
it moves me to question whether the NZ doping people are doing enough, or anything at all, and if not then question of cover ups comes into it.
13 Feb 2013, 07:54 am
@Dilligafrican-132:
Hehehe he can move to NZ and improve both countries…
13 Feb 2013, 07:54 am
@Fern-134: now whose diverting?
my comment was in relation to the amount of time bakkies spends looking for dirt on NZ, he could use that time more constructively in his own community..
13 Feb 2013, 07:55 am
@Fern-138:
Good to hear, a cheap but very painful way to help stop the spread.
13 Feb 2013, 07:55 am
Apologies! forgot the
after my previous post, no harm intended.
13 Feb 2013, 07:58 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-141:
a simple google and you would find this website
http://www.drugfreesport.org.nz/Testing.html
so because there have been no widespread reports of drug use in NZ sport that means we are guilty? seriously bakkies, you seem to be able to research so many things about NZ yet you havent researched NZs testing procedures?
strange..
13 Feb 2013, 07:58 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-98:
Howzit Houston…Those Kiwi players you posted are employees of whatever particular club, some have been there for 3-4 months, some a year…seems a bit harsh to suddenly say they’re under suspicion for things that may have happened 8 years ago….
As for Sbw….you were the one who was saying that the White Buffalo would teach him a lesson…didn’t happen…so lets not talk about credibility.
Anyways I’m over the boxing, gets more ridiculous by the day…..March the 10th at Eden Park…that’s when your credibility really goes out the window….hehe
13 Feb 2013, 08:02 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-141:
Nz Rugby is obviously clean….naturally gifted..hehe
13 Feb 2013, 08:02 am
The standard of Rugby overseas is kak ,there basics are horrific and based on this its my view that a player should be playing super rugby in order to be selected for the Bokke.
@Te Rangatira-147: He taught SBW how to sleep ,best thing anyone could of done , because its when SBW is least annoying.
13 Feb 2013, 08:04 am
Luke Watson wants to play for the Springboks again.
Watson made his Test debut in controversial circumstances against Samoa after Saru president Oregan Hoskins added the flanker to Jake White’s Springbok squad without consulting the coach. Watson was injured against Samoa at Ellis Park and didn’t go to the World Cup later that year, but earned another nine Test caps under Peter de Villiers in 2008, before falling out of favour.
In Foschini’s SportsClub magazine, the 29-year-old Kings captain told Ryan Vrede that he is determined to play for the Springboks again, and hopes the selectors will look his way if he’s good enough.
‘I have a passion for this country and that includes its national rugby team,’ said Watson. ‘But I want to earn my place there, I don’t want any of the politics that marked my initial selection. I was young and naive then and I regret how I allowed certain things to happen. I want form to be the only criteria for selection. If I’m not good enough, don’t even look my way.’
Watson, though, is firmly focused on the challenge of captaining the Kings in their debut Super Rugby season.
‘There is excitement from the guys in the squad but also from people who have been involved behind the scenes in making the Kings work, as well as from fans and sponsors,’ he said. ‘We’ve been through a gruelling pre-season and physically, tactically and mentally we’ve prepared well. Now we’ve shifted our focus to the tournament. We know it is going to be a challenge, but we’re up for it.
‘We’re determined to retain our Super Rugby status and there’s a strong belief that we will. That would play a big part in attracting more players of higher calibre to the franchise in 2014, the benefits of which are self-evident.’
Watson will make his return from a long injury lay-off in the Kings’ final pre-season match against Griquas in PE on Wednesday night.
The Kings, who lost a pre-season friendly to the Lions at Ellis Park last Saturday, will field their best team for this match.
13 Feb 2013, 08:04 am
@Te Rangatira-147:
Blues look ok pre season, fingers crossed we can make the play offs.
13 Feb 2013, 08:06 am
@grant10-150:
They should make him captain.
13 Feb 2013, 08:08 am
@NZINCHINA-151:
Yep…China…I smell a renaissance of the most entertaining team in Super Rugby
13 Feb 2013, 08:09 am
@the curse-131:
no Poppa, that wrong.
the burden of proof rests with the person making the accusation.
what Nasser did was just despicable, dont condone it. ruining someone with false drug smears is reprehensible.
also, on this note why is it that SBW did not and was not required to take a drug test?
how wierd is it that only one of the boxers was tested.
@Dilligafrican-132:
truth in jest?
well, i wont.
13 Feb 2013, 08:09 am
@NZINCHINA-151: not holding out on that scenario..
preseason trials are not indicative of how we’ll go..
just dont have the forwards to compete imo
13 Feb 2013, 08:11 am
@wpallday-149:
Why does Sbw annoy you….is it because he is a winner….
13 Feb 2013, 08:12 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-154: so where is your proof that SBW is complicit in everything that has gone on?
he may be, but then again he may simply be guilty of having the wrong people “in his corner”..
13 Feb 2013, 08:16 am
@the curse-157:
You are also aware of muti murders where adults and kids get murderedand their organs get harvested by witchdocters to make medicine.
Lots of cultures dont believe in western medicine.
13 Feb 2013, 08:17 am
@the curse-157:
Sbw would never do that….he is a Muslim
13 Feb 2013, 08:18 am
@Fern-158: Im aware that lots of cultures dont believe in western medicine, Im not aware of the muti murders, and as I said, Im not having this discussion with you.. my point was in reference to bakkies, but you continue if you so wish..
13 Feb 2013, 08:19 am
@Slartibartfast-145:
i have a thick skin
@the curse-146:
yes but are they doing anywhere near enough?
zero instances of drug taking is a little wierd if you ask me.
i’ll have a look at the site later.
@Te Rangatira-147:
you must be going blind, boet.
Sonny saw his moer in that fight, and it was a larf.
on paper nothing about the Bulls looks promising this season so i’m not holding out high hopes. if they make the playoffs it will be above expectations.
but i still think they are gonna fark the Blues up
@Te Rangatira-148:
keep telling yourself that, big guy.
13 Feb 2013, 08:19 am
@Te Rangatira-159: maybe he didnt beat Botha because he likes his buffalo halal?
13 Feb 2013, 08:21 am
@the curse-157:
yes, in all likelihood the truth probably lies somewhere inbetween.
13 Feb 2013, 08:22 am
@the curse-157:
Gauteng is very bad but the Western Cape have the added problem of gangs and drugs.
Lots of gang related killings and the drug that is causing havoc is called “tik” which is similiar to “P” in NZ.
I have seen dealing being done openly.
The DA needs to make a plan and fast,adjoining Cape Town Airport is a huge informal settlement where people live in absolute misery.
Ask the liberals from the fairy cape what is being done about that.
Fecking pillowbiting featherboa wearing limp wristed back spitters.
13 Feb 2013, 08:22 am
ok, have to do a few things
back a little later
cheers all
13 Feb 2013, 08:23 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-161: Id imagine they are doing just as much as SAs anti doping agency, but I dont know to be honest.. perhaps we are better at it hence the lack of widespread use (to my knowledge)
read the site then formulate your own opinions, but you seem content to label us as drug cheats without any “proof”, something you were crying out for when Botha was implicated
double standards bakkies..
13 Feb 2013, 08:23 am
Have a nice day and evening all,I gotta roll.
Take it easy,but take it.
13 Feb 2013, 08:23 am
@the curse-155:
Yes that will probably be the killer but we should see an improvement on that shambles from last season.
13 Feb 2013, 08:24 am
@Fern-164: unfortunately fern there are these types of problems in every society, Sydney has its gangs and its drug suburbs too..
Im sure NZ does as well..
13 Feb 2013, 08:26 am
@Fern-158:
Fern, when my Father was about eight he fell very sick. The Doctors didn’t know what was wrong with him and he hadn’t eaten for a month. So my Grandparents took him to a Tohunga(Maori expert of healing). The Tohunga told them that in their home was a piupiu(grass/reed skirt) hanging on the wall with my Dads photo hanging under it.Take it all down and he will come right. When they did that, within an hour he was eating again. The piupiu had been given to my Grandfather from another iwi.
13 Feb 2013, 08:26 am
@Te Rangatira-153:
Hopefully they can get some decent crowds again at the garden of Eden when they start winning.
13 Feb 2013, 08:27 am
@NZINCHINA-168: having GH there is the plus for the Blues, but Im not sure we have the talent in the forwards specifically to be finals contenders.
our loosies is our biggest concern imo
13 Feb 2013, 08:27 am
@the curse-160:
I am giving you a insight into the reality and the problems.
Corruption and tenderfraud is a huge problem.
Really gotta roll now.
13 Feb 2013, 08:29 am
@Te Rangatira-170:
A bad spell?
13 Feb 2013, 08:30 am
@NZINCHINA-152: would get my vote…..but only if he can make the team on merit…..we suffered enough for 2 years carrying a useless lump of lard masquerading as a captain in 2010 and 2011
13 Feb 2013, 08:32 am
@the curse-169:
NZ definitely does P is decimating small towns in NZ and a major problem in the big cities, who wants to stay up for days without sleeping and pay a fortune whilst doing it. The dumbing down of NZ and the creation of a huge underclass is well underway unfortunately.
13 Feb 2013, 08:32 am
@grant10-175: still doing it with JDV..
13 Feb 2013, 08:34 am
@NZINCHINA-176: yep, seen first hand how P affects people and its insurgence in NZ…
13 Feb 2013, 08:34 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-161:
Hey settle down…you’re the one on the anti Nz crusade. I said on other threads that Sbw was 20 seconds away from hitting the canvas, but he didn’t…he survived the indignity….but perhaps he should give the boxing a rest…ok
I wouldn’t want us saying hurtful things to each other Houston…I still look on you as someone who is a good person out there on terra firma
13 Feb 2013, 08:35 am
@the curse-172:
So if they finish mid table ( and beat the Bulls) we’ll be reasonably satisfied then.
13 Feb 2013, 08:35 am
@Te Rangatira-179: put the pipe down and walk away TR, its affecting your judgment
13 Feb 2013, 08:36 am
@NZINCHINA-180: mate, we beat the bulls last season, cant see that changing at all..
I think the Bulls will be too enamoured with the pink shirts our refs will wear and trip up on the timotei
13 Feb 2013, 08:37 am
@grant10-175:
What position could he potentially play for the Bokke?
13 Feb 2013, 08:37 am
@gunther-174:
Its called a makutu… Gunther….usually goes after the kids
13 Feb 2013, 08:38 am
@grant10-175:
daar gaan jy alweer
jou mislike ****** etter
13 Feb 2013, 08:39 am
@the curse-182:
Ha hope so, an eventual return to the glory days would be O for awesome.
13 Feb 2013, 08:40 am
@NZINCHINA-171:
Eden Park, is a nightmare, location wise,as you know China. Some early wins and everyone will be jumping on the bandwagon…fingers crossed
13 Feb 2013, 08:41 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-185: truth is truth…..
13 Feb 2013, 08:41 am
@NZINCHINA-186:
13 Feb 2013, 08:41 am
@Te Rangatira-179:
no, i dont want that either, TR
i like you
no malice intented in the previous post, honest.
have to go, cheers
13 Feb 2013, 08:42 am
@the curse-181:
hehe…I’ve put a lot of effort into Houston’s recovery…I refuse to pull the plug.
13 Feb 2013, 08:42 am
@Te Rangatira-187: mate used to live behind Eden Park, can remember jumping the fences for impromptu games of cricket… good times..
13 Feb 2013, 08:43 am
@Te Rangatira-187:
Yer it’s not great best to walk from Ponsonby after a few early ones, tactically GH will be ahead of the other coaches its whether his young charges can execute.
13 Feb 2013, 08:43 am
@the curse-181:
doos
13 Feb 2013, 08:45 am
@Te Rangatira-191: well step aside and let someone else do the humane thing
13 Feb 2013, 08:45 am
@NZINCHINA-183: No 8
13 Feb 2013, 08:45 am
@the curse-192:
The games at Eden park during a test lunch break were legendary, tennis balls flying everywhere.
13 Feb 2013, 08:47 am
@Angostura-196:
He can’t be worse than muscle head so maybe he has a shot. I heard Meyer rates him.
13 Feb 2013, 08:48 am
@Robzim-55: @ufo-59: Anything Jimi does is worth listening too.
The thing is, there are some young artists today doing some stuff that is as groundbreaking in some ways as what Jimi did back then. Check out Reignwolf on you tube. The guy is special. Stripped down, Like Jack White should have been.
Check out Electric love by reignwolf of youtube, It’s great stuff.
13 Feb 2013, 08:48 am
@NZINCHINA-197:
we used to sneak in there when there were no games happening, plenty of room to execute the crushing drives under the stands on Cricket avenue..
13 Feb 2013, 08:52 am
@stormersboy-199: Jimi, Janis J, Led Zep, & Cream – the bizniz
& someone mentioned Joe Cocker – yeah, he’s right up there as well
13 Feb 2013, 08:53 am
@the curse-200:
Ha nice one, Eden park was great in those days especially when we were winning there regularly at cricket, it’s overpriced and lacks atmosphere these days.
13 Feb 2013, 08:58 am
@NZINCHINA-202: had lots of good times there and seem to see special things whenever there..
greenichs double century
walking past Joel garner
Jeff Wilson almost salvaging a win vs Aus
try from the end of the earth
North Harbours first game at the ground
even been fortunate enough to use the indoor nets there..
13 Feb 2013, 08:59 am
@Angostura-201: Yes, everything Clapton did until the end of Derek and the Dominos mostly. Zep are my favourite rock band, anything Jimmi Page does really.
13 Feb 2013, 09:00 am
apologiers for misspelling Greenidge
13 Feb 2013, 09:04 am
@the curse-203:
Yer great stuff I was also at that French test and was lucky enough to catch the 87′ WC final from the terraces 16 bucks the ticket price was.
13 Feb 2013, 09:05 am
@NZINCHINA-183: In my opinion only at 8…..he is not the young tearaway opensider anymore…..
13 Feb 2013, 09:08 am
@NZINCHINA-206: was a corporate ticket for the French game, seated behind the posts right behind the final pass before the try was scored
16 dollar ticket to a WC final, fark…
13 Feb 2013, 09:12 am
behind the final pass = before the final pas..
had a head on view of the whole movement, still one of my greatest rugby watching moments..
13 Feb 2013, 09:13 am
@Angostura-201:
Without Googling. Clapton, Ginger Baker and…..? I always forget the lead vocalist and Bass player.
13 Feb 2013, 09:13 am
Pops tickets were resonable in those days, we used to have season tickets and in the first few years of super rugby it included all the games including the finals and all cricket for $300
13 Feb 2013, 09:14 am
Pops tickets were reasonable in those days, we used to have season tickets and in the first few years of super rugby it included all the games including the finals and all cricket for $300 in the old north stand not sure what they go for now.
13 Feb 2013, 09:18 am
@NZINCHINA-212: Im sure if they did that type of thing again we’d see more people at the ground… thing of the past though unfortunately..
catch you another time NZinC..
13 Feb 2013, 09:18 am
Cheers Pops.
13 Feb 2013, 09:20 am
Jack Bruce bass player for Cream
Ginger Baker married a colored goose and living in Cape Town I’m told.
13 Feb 2013, 09:20 am
@David-210: Jack Bruce. legend.
13 Feb 2013, 09:23 am
absolutely stormersboy…
i’ll definitely download it from iTunes…
@David-210:
that’s not so ‘strange bru’…
we all do…
jack bruce..
13 Feb 2013, 09:24 am
Grant Meyer will never pick him they’d lynch him in Pretoria.
13 Feb 2013, 09:24 am
@skopdiekan-215:
@stormersboy-216:
aaargh…
i shouldn’t dither…
13 Feb 2013, 09:25 am
Nope google tells me she’s from Zimbabwe – Ginger Bakers wife.
13 Feb 2013, 09:26 am
@ufo-217: You really need to watch it, It’s a live recording, not even sure he’s released an album yet.
You going to the blues festival in kleinmond 1-2 march? Dan Patlansky is playing. He’s the closest thing to Stevie Ray Vaughn I’ve heard. Absolutely brilliant. Natasha meister will perform too,
13 Feb 2013, 09:26 am
@skopdiekan-215:
think he’s out near franschhoek…
but was an eruption a little while ago when she apparently stole 100s of k from him…
or so he said…
13 Feb 2013, 09:27 am
@NZINCHINA-218: I am sure Heyneke will do what he deems best, and I stress I will only back Luke in the Bok team if he shows the form to warrant selection….
13 Feb 2013, 09:30 am
@ufo-222: yep seems he got caught up with the wrong set off the internet .. poor dude seeking love and finding trouble instead. Out in the midst of the snooty white polo set in the Wine Vallei of the Wynland.
13 Feb 2013, 09:32 am
@stormersboy-221:
i will do SB… (listen to reignwolf…)
no… didn’t know it is on…
i need to get on the right email lists… !!
but yeah… dan patlansky is excellent… good to know we have musos like him in sa…
13 Feb 2013, 09:32 am
Grant it will get very interesting if his form warrants selection, KEO will be doing cartwheels a million hits guaranteed.
13 Feb 2013, 09:33 am
@ufo-222: He is in the Tulbagh area, many issues …….
13 Feb 2013, 09:34 am
@skopdiekan-224:
yeah, he certainly did…
13 Feb 2013, 09:35 am
@SuperStirrer-227:
thanks man… wasn’t sure…
13 Feb 2013, 09:36 am
@skopdiekan-224: who is Sixto Rodriques?
13 Feb 2013, 09:37 am
@Transformation-230:
sugarman…
13 Feb 2013, 09:41 am
for stormers fans…
Cape Town – The most suitable replacement for injured lock Eben Etzebeth is weighing heavily on the minds of the Stormers’ brains trust ahead of their opening Super Rugby fixture against the Bulls at Loftus Versfeld on Friday.
The Springbok second-rower has been sidelined with an ankle injury for the next two months and there is no obvious replacement, although several players such as De Kock Steenkamp, Rynhardt Elstadt and Don Armand have strong claims.
Lions recruit Michael Rhodes plays lock and flank, and the South African under-20 star Ruan Botha is also in the squad.
“Don proved very reliable during our Currie Cup campaign and there is also the option of moving Elstadt from flank to lock,” Stormers coach, Allister Coetzee, said on Tuesday.
“Michael Rhodes hasn’t started training yet and De Kock Steenkamp is a reliable player. We will have to make a quick decision and we are mindful that nowadays the game is not necessarily won by the starting XV, but rather by the match-day 22.
“That is why the bench players are so important and our options must be such that there should not be a problem with guys slotting in.”
Coetzee said that the situation of flank Schalk Burger could influence the lock selection. Burger has not fully recovered from a calf strain, which caused him to miss out on warm-up match action.
However, Coetzee said Burger would probably be ready to join training on Wednesday or Thursday.
“I’m very pleased to say that there has been a big improvement in Schalk’s condition and we’re expecting him to train with the squad in the next day or two.
“The latest tests show that he’s fine and he’s ready to train in a contact-controlled environment.”
Flyhalf Elton Jantjies is back in Cape Town after a spell of compassionate leave.
“We are very glad to have Elton back and he’s shown that he’s ready to go,” said Coetzee.
“He’s been training on his own and he looks in good nick, we all know Elton’s abilities and he’ll go from strength to strength over the next few training sessions. His big challenge is to get match fit.”
Coetzee said Currie Cup player-of-the-year Deon Fourie, who played most of the 2012 campaign at flank, would be considered for the hooker position for the Bulls clash.
“Deon will stay at hooker, at least for the time being and we’ll know that he’s an option for a flank berth. Martin Bezuidenhout will be the reserve hooker.
“There is great excitement in the squad for the Bulls match because it poses a big challenge for us, especially at Loftus,” he said.
13 Feb 2013, 09:41 am
@ufo-225: This will get you started…
http://www.bigblues.co.za/
13 Feb 2013, 09:42 am
@Transformation-230: Sixto Rodriguez is the songwriter singer who inspired the SA hippy generation with an album called Cold Fact which was pressed under licence in JHB from Mowtown in early 70′s and he never even knew he was selling records here till Segermann a Cape town musicologist ‘rediscovered’ him and brought him out here a few times to perform for his long idolizing incognito fans.
Quite a tale of bitter sweet emotions cause his stuff was good but never recognized in the main stream USA music society.
13 Feb 2013, 09:42 am
@NZINCHINA-226: He will have to play out of his socks in a pack that may take some strain though….and players like Duane Vermeulen , Kanko and Keegan Daniels, together with new guns like Carr, will make it difficult for him….
13 Feb 2013, 09:44 am
@stormersboy-233:
awesome bud…
thanks…!
13 Feb 2013, 09:45 am
@ufo-236: Anytime!
13 Feb 2013, 09:45 am
Both Rodriguez and Shawn Phillips were big hits in SA yet never made it big in the USA.. shows SA hippies maybe had better taste than their USA counterparts.
13 Feb 2013, 09:46 am
@grant10-235: Watson won’t make it in Meyers plans.. forget it.. won’t happen.. not with Meyer.
13 Feb 2013, 09:46 am
Grant you have some very good players at 8 but nobody is so far ahead of the pack that it would be impossible to crack the side, would suit me as he’s not a viable test lineout option so one less jumper to worry about.
13 Feb 2013, 09:51 am
All valid points Keo.
But on the flip, would you tune in week after week to watch Super 15 if there’s no Etzebeth, Kolisi, Hougaardt, Lambie, Goosen, Brussouw, Coenie DP, Beast, Bismarc, Jannie Dup etc etc
or in NZ
No Nonu, Jane, Cruden, Dagg, Ranger, Franks, A. Smith, C. Smith, J. Sevea etc etc
or in Aus
Pocock and uhm… ja
You get my point?
13 Feb 2013, 09:52 am
@skopdiekan-239: I think Heyneke is happy with Duanne…..as long as he does not revert to Spies I am comfortable.
@skopdiekan-239: Yes….that is a problem, especially without Juan Smith….Boks always like the 2 at the back of the lineout option…..so normally the 7 and 8 are ‘ bigger ‘ units…..Watson doesent fit that bill
13 Feb 2013, 09:52 am
@stormersboy-216: Jack Bruce a very good musician, actually the trio of them all excellent
13 Feb 2013, 09:52 am
@NZINCHINA-240: Sorry….my last post meant for you
13 Feb 2013, 09:54 am
@wpstormerbok-241:
Fans would lose interest with too much high profile players moving abroad and teams never settling to build dynasties as we call it.
It’s difficult to compare Euro Football history with Rugby traditions as you can take the entire Stormers team and place them in Toulouse/Toulon jerseys, that doesn’t mean the whole of CPT will be tuning into the Heineken Cup any time soon.
13 Feb 2013, 09:54 am
Personally I would be hesitant to play Watson and Brussow in the same loose trio….
13 Feb 2013, 09:54 am
@Angostura-243: There’s some footage of Jack Bruce playing with Gary Moore from a couple of years ago. Worth a look.
13 Feb 2013, 09:55 am
@stormersboy-199:
Thanks, I checked it out— he can certainly make that Gibson talk–amazing really- real dark modern blues. Incredible sound, even without the drums and bass. Seems he is a canadian and has now started to record?
13 Feb 2013, 09:58 am
@grant10-246: so would I – but Louw & Watson, would do, together a big brute at No7
13 Feb 2013, 09:59 am
@stormersboy-247: Thx, will do
13 Feb 2013, 10:00 am
@Angostura-249: Yes….Alberts, Elstaht type at 7…
13 Feb 2013, 10:03 am
@skopdiekan-234: i read about his story recently when a friend of rossoneris was excited about having watched him in cape town recently & in awe the friend was.
the documentary about the saffas who went to seek him out in detroit is making waves having just won a BAFTA & nominated for Oscar honours,
do you, like his music? elsewhere his songwriting prowess is compared to dylan.
13 Feb 2013, 10:04 am
@Transformation-252: his music is awesome imo.
great songwriting.
13 Feb 2013, 10:05 am
ryan vrede is writing for the foschinis sport club mag?
and thats where luke makes his statement?
alongside the adverts for nwe sweaters.
13 Feb 2013, 10:07 am
@Robzim-248: Yes that 335 sounds amazing. I’ll be keeping a look out for him for sure.
You might check out this article for the young up and comers to keep an eye on, even our Dan Patlansky is (rightfully) there:
http://bluesrockreview.com/2013/01/new-artists-you-should-know.html
13 Feb 2013, 10:08 am
@The Rangerman-254: Luke is wearing a sweater on his face by the looks of things….
13 Feb 2013, 10:10 am
@The Rangerman-254:
I’m not sure how we can be punting the dude for Bok captain when he hasn’t played top flight rugby for two years.
13 Feb 2013, 10:15 am
@The Rangerman-253:
I saw him in concert a few years back.
He had terrible stage nerves.
I think they had to put him on a Grey Goose drip.
By the time they got him onstage he needed a stool.
13 Feb 2013, 10:18 am
@Transformation-252:
Yeah look, by his own humble admission he has only really written 30 or 40 songs. Dylan has written hundreds.
But his actual songwriting for those few songs is up there with Dylan.
Apparently he is thinking about putting out a new album with new songs but only after he finishes touring.
He’s here now then goes to NZ and Aus I think, then plays the Coachella Festival in California and a few other gigs in the US. We may see some new material from him after that.
13 Feb 2013, 10:19 am
@John Galt-259: At 70 years old that is brave.
13 Feb 2013, 10:20 am
@stormersboy-256:
I hope it’s washable
He’s got form in that department.
13 Feb 2013, 10:24 am
a little busy but i thought this worth noting. my gut feeling says its either a politcal smear or some miguided office staff feeling they’re ‘entitled’ and are perhaps unhappy their boss is actually making them work hard:
Thuli faces slew of anonymous allegations:
Cape Town – Public Protector Thuli Madonsela is under scrutiny again, with the auditor-general and the police expected to investigate a slew of anonymous allegations against her and her office, ranging from fraud to maladministration.
Parliament’s oversight committee on justice and constitutional development considered some of the allegations raised by “concerned staff” from Madonsela’s office on Tuesday.
http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/thuli-faces-slew-of-anonymous-allegations-1.1469313#.URtMX_Lpr-A
13 Feb 2013, 10:24 am
@stormersboy-260:
Very.
Especially if you consider that his new stuff will have to be of equal quality if not better because of the newfound stardom he achieved.
No pressure.
13 Feb 2013, 10:26 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-262:
Do your mates call you the grim reaper?
13 Feb 2013, 10:26 am
@gunther-258:
Ive heard that at times he can be very uncomfortable on stage and at other times its like he belongs there.
I think he’s just naturally a very shy human being.
Well he comes accross that way in the documentary anyway.
13 Feb 2013, 10:31 am
@gunther-257: or punting him for anything…except for touch
13 Feb 2013, 10:32 am
@John Galt-265:
Look stage fright is no joke the best in the business suffer from it.
I even had a failure to launch early in on my adult entertainment career.
@NZINCHINA-264:
They call him No Man Bakkies.
13 Feb 2013, 10:33 am
@John Galt-263: Exactly. I hope it’s not a money grab by music execs just to capitalise on the hype at the moment.
13 Feb 2013, 10:34 am
@gunther-267: early engage?
13 Feb 2013, 10:35 am
@stormersboy-255:
Thanks, I wlll check it. Dan is very good, i have been a fan for quite a while.
13 Feb 2013, 10:36 am
by Gavin Rich 13 February 2013, 09:30
Schalk Burger’s chances of making his return to top rugby when the Stormers travel to Pretoria next week will hinge on how he comes through training sessions planned for Wednesday and Thursday.
The Stormers captain, making his way back from a long lay-off due to a knee injury, has been further set back in his comeback over the past few weeks by a calf strain that has kept him from the training field. He missed both warm-up matches against the Cheetahs and the Boland Cavaliers, but coach Allister Coetzee has said he will make an exception to his general rule that players have to have played a warm-up fixture if they want to be considered for the Super Rugby opener against the Bulls on 22 February.
The Stormers are due to engage in an opposed session involving the Western Province Vodacom Cup side that will be refereed, and that could well be when Burger shows Coetzee whether or not he is ready to play at Loftus. Making a comeback after a year’s absence in a derby against the Bulls seems a daunting prospect, but there again, Burger has never been an ordinary player.
He is also not the type of player you play off the bench, so if he is involved at Loftus it will probably be as a member of the starting team, though Coetzee has again stressed that winning against a team like the Bulls requires 22 players and not 15.
“The situation with Schalk is positive and there has been a big improvement,” said Coetzee after a Stormers training session in Mitchell’s Plain.
Burger did not train but Coetzee said he will be ready to train on Wednesday or Thursday. His status could have an impact on who plays as the replacement for the injured Eben Etzebeth at lock, as Rynhardt Elstadt could then switch to No 4 from the No 7 jersey he has worn for most of the past year.
“Whether Schalk plays or not will have an effect on who replaces Eben at lock. There’s Don Armand who can fill that spot, Michael Rhodes is there, but hasn’t trained yet, there’s Ruan Botha (under-21 recruit from the Lions) as well. I have to make a few decisions, but Don played well there in the Currie Cup, De Kock Steenkamp is also a reliable four lock and Rynhardt is also an option.”
The smart money should be on the last mentioned as he proved an excellent partner to Andries Bekker in the 2011 season. However he appears to have lost a bit of his bulk, possibly due to his attempt to get himself properly conditioned to be more mobile on the flank. He was in excellent form against the Cavaliers last weekend.
Meanwhile Elton Jantjies slotted in well at training on Tuesday and is still the favourite to wear the No 10 jersey at Loftus, particularly as it is unlikely that Peter Grant will be back in town for a while
13 Feb 2013, 10:36 am
@Robzim-270: Cool.
13 Feb 2013, 10:37 am
@stormersboy-269: Couldn’t contest the scrum…
13 Feb 2013, 10:38 am
@gunther-258:
He is back in SA at moment and received a fantastic review for his gig in CT. Apparently he is semi- blind already- he also told the audience he is not worried about never been a huge star, he only “wants to be an ordinary legend”
13 Feb 2013, 10:41 am
@John Galt-259:
The lyrics to his classic “Crucify your mind”
“Was it a huntsman or a player
That made you pay the cost
That now assumes relaxed positions
And prostitutes your loss?
Were you tortured by your own thirst
In those pleasures that you seek
That made you Tom the curious
That makes you James the weak?
And you claim you got something going
Something you call unique
But I’ve seen your self-pity showing
As the tears rolled down your cheeks
Soon you know I’ll leave you
And I’ll never look behind
‘Cos I was born for the purpose
That crucifies your mind
So con, convince your mirror
As you’ve always done before
Giving substance to shadows
Giving substance ever more
And you assume you got something to offer
Secrets shiny and new
But how much of you is repetition
That you didn’t whisper to him too”
13 Feb 2013, 10:46 am
@NZINCHINA-264:
@gunther-267:
hehe
you joke but ironically i was sarcastically given the nic ‘Laksman’ when i was younger. it means executioner/hangman and i can only assume it had something to do with my demeanour probably but i honeslty don’t know why people would think that.
kids can be so cruel.
13 Feb 2013, 10:46 am
have to go again
cheers
13 Feb 2013, 10:47 am
Chiefs and All Black midfielder Richard Kahui has announced that he will leave New Zealand at the end of the Super Rugby season to play in Japan.
The injury-prone backline ace has confirmed he will play for the Japanese Toshiba club for two seasons after seeing out the 2013 season with the Chiefs.
“I love being a Chief, but it is no secret that I have had my fair share injuries which have forced me to make some very hard decisions about my future and make the most of the opportunities while I can,” Kahui told the Waikato Times.
Chiefs’ coach Dave Rennie said: “Richard has been an outstanding member of the Chiefs family, having played over 50 games for us.
“I have been really impressed with him as a man, as a player and as a leader within our group.
“He has an opportunity to set himself up for his future and we are fully supportive of what he is doing and hope to get him back for 2015.”
Kahui has played 17 Tests for the All Blacks since his debut in 2008, scoring 10 tries.
13 Feb 2013, 10:49 am
thanks stomersboy…
downloaded the full 19-something minutes of the KEXP live performance… and listened to it…
excellent stuff…!!
thanks for the heads-up…
13 Feb 2013, 10:52 am
@Robzim-248:
yeah rob… saskatoon, saskatchewan
13 Feb 2013, 10:52 am
@Robzim-275: Coming from Reality a great album too.
13 Feb 2013, 10:57 am
rodriguez is very cool…
haven’t seen him live but have all his songs…
(which are easy to play on guitar for kachunkkachunks like me…)
really cool that’s he’s getting all this deserved recognition after such a long time… it’s never too late… even like 35 years later…!
13 Feb 2013, 11:04 am
@stormersboy-269:
In front of the kicker.
13 Feb 2013, 11:11 am
@gunther-283: Blew the ref’s whistle?
13 Feb 2013, 11:16 am
@gunther-283:
He blew his own whistle.
I was busy chewing on Svetlanya’s gum guard.
13 Feb 2013, 11:25 am
@gunther-285: Methinks you did not release the tackle
13 Feb 2013, 11:25 am
hier kom n ding…
Prime Minister Julia Gillard – Australia
Muslims who want to live under Islamic
Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get
out of Australia, as the government
targeted radicals in a bid to head off
potential terror attacks.
Separately, Gillard angered some
Australian Muslims on Wednesday by
saying she supported spy agencies
monitoring the nation’s mosques.
Quote:
‘IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST
ADAPT… Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of
this nation worrying about whether we
are offending some individual or their
culture.
Since the terrorist attacks on
Bali , we have experienced a surge in
patriotism by the majority of Australians.’
‘This culture has been developed over two
centuries of struggles, trials and victories
by millions of men and women who have
sought freedom.’
‘We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish,
Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any
other language. Therefore, if you wish to
become part of our society, learn the
language!’
‘Most Australians believe in God. This is
not some Christian, right wing, political
push, but a fact, because Christian men
and women, on Christian principles,
founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented. It is certainly appropriate to
display it on the walls of our schools.
If
God offends you, then I suggest you
consider another part of the world as
your new home, because God is part of
our culture.’
‘We will accept your beliefs, and will not
question why. All we ask is that you
accept ours, and live in harmony and
peaceful enjoyment with us.’
‘This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and
OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you
every opportunity to enjoy all this. But
once you are done complaining, whining,
and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge,
Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I
highly encourage you take advantage of
one other great Australian freedom, ‘THE
RIGHT TO LEAVE’.’
‘If you aren’t happy here then LEAVE. We
didn’t force you to come here. You asked
to be here. So accept the country YOU
accepted.’
13 Feb 2013, 11:30 am
@gunther-285: did you enter her through the gate or from he side
13 Feb 2013, 11:37 am
@Transformation-287:
i dont see anything wrong with that really.
there are certain parts of Saudi Arabia where the immediate penalty is death by beheading if a non-muslim were to enter. i think the Mecca Mosque has such a rule that any foreigner/non-muslim who crosses over a perimeter demarcation of some or other number of meters/kilometers then the penalty would be death.
my point is that by comparison i think her views are reasonable and mundane really.
13 Feb 2013, 11:41 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-289:
however, i do think the states emphasis should be towards secularism.
13 Feb 2013, 11:47 am
@Transformation-287: yebo-yes:
“Four wheels scare the cockatoos
From Kintore East to Yuendemu
The western desert lives and breathes
In forty five degrees
The time has come
To say fair’s fair
To pay the rent
To pay our share
The time has come
A fact’s a fact
It belongs to them
Let’s give it back”
13 Feb 2013, 11:50 am
@Transformation-287: you think Julia was perhaps thinking of Nasser & his Muslim boxers?
13 Feb 2013, 11:53 am
@ufo-282: I was at the show on Sunday. He was a bit doddery in the beginning, but it didn’t really matter because the entire audience started singing along when he started ‘the moon is hanging/ in a purple sky’. What a lekker evening. People of all ages & races enjoying his music.
Some of his comments:
The secret of life? Keep breathing.
Free love is expensive.
In love, never be a silent partner.
I want to be an ordinary legend.
Cool oke.
13 Feb 2013, 11:54 am
@Transformation-287: Julia Gillard actually said all of that?
13 Feb 2013, 12:03 pm
@bokfan1-294: I’d be very impressed if she did.
13 Feb 2013, 12:03 pm
@bokfan1-294: hoax
13 Feb 2013, 12:10 pm
@playtheball-293:
sounds very cool PTB…!!
13 Feb 2013, 12:12 pm
@Transformation-288:
In the tight loose.
13 Feb 2013, 12:13 pm
that’s an old gig by Julia Gillard the Aussie Maggie Thatcher.. that stuff she sprouted already a couple months ago or more.. Hard headed tough line cookie taking a tough stand as a last crusade for Godliness.
What she forgets to add is where the fck was God when all her white skinned immigrant forebears were busy rounding up the local inhabitants feeding them grog to nullify their senses and shacking them up in inhumane reservations in the middle of nowhere up in the central or western deserts, those that weren’t slaughtered in the cold blooded merciless extermination of the aborigine.
God never gave them Goolongwannaland, they simply took it and usurped it as their own.. now they claim they own it like its one of God’s full on given right.
13 Feb 2013, 12:19 pm
Rodriguez simply had too much humility to make it in the rough environment of showbiz.. even the real hard line legends like Elvis Hendrix Jim Morrison Janis Joplin got eaten alive by the music business moguls and the stuff that went with the stardom.
Rodriguez is the epitome of humble humanity.. its his humility that shine through his music and his persona and that what gives his listeners an elevated sense of his artistry and poetry.. that why perhaps the fact he didn’t make it big when he wrote the songs could even be a poignant blessing in disguise.
13 Feb 2013, 12:23 pm
well julia is right really isnt she?
fit in of *** off seems like a fair invitation to me.
13 Feb 2013, 12:26 pm
pity they didn’t fit in before they fck’d up all the locals before they simple took over and monopolized their new found colony of milk and honey.. they didn’t fit in they fck’d the locals up and then told them to fit in to their new Christian set of doctrines or fck off to the backwaters of the swamps and deserts.
13 Feb 2013, 13:09 pm
@skopdiekan-299: that’s the history of mankind – ever since that first mo.nk.ey said “Bollox to being sh.at on by parrots and eating fleas. I’m off for a wander.”
13 Feb 2013, 13:12 pm
By the way I saw how France shaped Fran’s – into a doughnut.
13 Feb 2013, 13:26 pm
@Transformation-287: @skopdiekan-299: @bokfan1-294: @stormer in a teacup-295: It’s a hoax. It is a collection of out of context quotes taken from various sources after the 2005 subway bombings in London. This was previously attributed to the previous Aussie PM too.
As much as it obviously rings a chord with some people, it’s not true.
13 Feb 2013, 14:54 pm
@The Rangerman-301:
If only it were true and not an eons old hoax… Australia is becoming so PC, lefty, liberal it’s not a joke…
13 Feb 2013, 15:29 pm
@skopdiekan-300: It doesn’t come across as if Rodrigues is at all interested in the fame thing. He likes writing and playing music, and that’s what he wants to do, I think. In the documentary one of the guys who worked with him in the construction business said he nearly fell on his back when he heard Rodrigues was famous in South Africa, the guy knew him for many years and never told him.
13 Feb 2013, 16:10 pm
@stormersboy-305:
Yeah, first time I heard it was when John Howard was meant to have said it.
Ausies would never say that. Far too nanny stateish.
They’re just about to or already have passed a law banning kids from blowing out candles to prevent the spread of disease.
Fark me.
13 Feb 2013, 17:00 pm
@John Galt-308: Ironically my wife read to me a survey that placed Australia near the top of countries that are “un-christian” or most Christian-unfriendly. I think they are referring to the PC brigade banning praying in schools, and manger scenes in public, that sort of thing. I’m talking “westernized” countries now.
It may be off the mark, just what my wife said. At least what i think she said. We were in the midst of an argument. Something about me not “listening” to her..I dunno, I wasn’t really paying attention.
13 Feb 2013, 19:44 pm
Now this (black) man is not the pope, nor does he use a teleprompter but he spoke a lot more sense than most
Obama is getting it from all directions, but he will not listen; this is one pharao with one very hard heart of stone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU700OAvkn4
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15 Feb 2013, 15:57 pm
Those who think going abroad are sell outs are the very people who not much clue about life, not much clue at all, not much far from being a red neck.
Going Abroad opens ones mind, and generally in Europeans are more professional in rugby something that lacks in SA. And at least for a few years you can experience life without living in a prison of burglar bars, security systems and can walk home drunk without watching you back.
– how life should be really…
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