Here lies a tyrant
19 Feb 2013
MARK KEOHANE, writing in Business Day Sport Monthly, says former South African rugby chief Louis Luyt was a power-hungry egotist who did more harm than good in his role as leader.
Louis Luyt is dead but the lie that defines his legacy to the game as legendary must also be buried. He was destructive in everything he did as president of the South African Rugby Football Union (Sarfu) and motivated by his own agenda and ego and he was a risk to the future of the game.
He functioned on fiction because only he knew what was closer to fact.
This is a condemnation of Luyt the Sarfu president. It is not a reflection on his right to be respected as a father, husband and friend.
He was a crass leader who thrived on the humiliation of others and he caused pain to many people with decisions that were not based on rugby but on his own insecurity and paranoia. There can’t be reward for lacking emotional intelligence and there can never be justification for the chaos.
Luyt’s legacy was a dictatorship that threatened more than a sport’s unity. He harmed the sport and he embarrassed the sport without consequence or without remorse. He did it regularly and saw it as refusing to be intimidated.
He was a reminder of everything the world detested in apartheid South Africa but he survived on the fears of those who were uncertain about the future and ill-informed and still related to noise as leadership, when introspection and reflection were words more appropriate to change. A legacy is earned through innovation and the impact of an action; not an ability just to react.
Luyt was a fighter and his strength was based on survival. Sarfu needed calm and vision and he provided chaos and confrontation.
It suited his needs because the noise was part of the illusion that he was taking charge of rugby’s future. He was a fascinating character because of his contradictions, but he was not good for the game and he stifled progress through his inability to transform his own thinking. He was unsure about his status and he always overcompensated with boasts when unsure, be it because of lack of knowledge or because he threatened his ability to use Sarfu to define his influence in a community that used his voice when necessary but never fully endorsed him as part of the exclusive brotherhood.
This was down to class and not race. It was this lack of acceptance that tortured him. But he knew about survival because of a background that battled poverty. Wealth would also be measured on status and worth. To get there he would fight. So he fought because that meant not allowing for discussion and not risking being exposed on an intellectual level.
He was a clever man but he lacked introspection because of insecurities in not having a high schooling. It meant he only knew how to make statements.
In his world that was strength. To ask a question was to invite trouble.
Leadership is at its most seductive when those in charge can take pleasure out of another’s achievement. Luyt could never do that because he could not even take pleasure out of his own successes.
He had an incredible work ethic, which intimidated and compensated for an inability to see beyond what worked for him personally and as a leader. He also blurred the power of knowledge with the gathering of information on individuals to further entrench his presidency. He had menace when there should have been mentorship. He never made an apology for any of his actions and a man who always thinks he gets it right is a man who is rarely getting it right.
He embraced those vulnerable to his projections of strength and bullying and he never saw the contradiction in how he applied the morality of the God-fearing man and the lack of morality in his manipulation of people.
We once debated loyalty and he was absolute. People, he said, crossed him once and thought they had won. He told them to enjoy the feeling because he would make sure they spent the rest of their lives reminded of what price to pay for betrayal in loyalty.
His life was interesting but he was too preoccupied in the potential of others to be the enemy that he found a reason to justify an agenda that in turn would justify a reaction for a confrontational engagement.
His ego would never allow him modesty and he insisted he had earned the right to be called doctor. Titles and status are what he felt defined his characters. His actions were for gain. When was it ever about rugby?
His rugby world was a creation to compensate for what he felt he lacked in a personal space. He could be charming but his charm was too often determined by the personal gain. He bored easily if he was not the primary beneficiary. His mind was always busy but the intent wasn’t always flattering and he excused any criticism as a necessary to protect the game from those who didn’t understand it. He blamed the government and rugby was his status for greater acceptance in an Afrikaans elite that would never see him as their equal.
The bully was his default mechanism and if he was full of bravado he didn’t have to front his fears of being inferior. He did not trust anyone but celebrated just how many enemies he had. Enemies caused fear. Friends could only cause confusion.
He was convinced he needed no one to survive but he never understood that to survive is not to necessarily inspire. Not that it would have been a consideration. He was angry that he was disliked although he denied it and there was an element in him that deliberately added to the dislike. The man who made rugby his kingdom was always aware that the boy in him wanted acknowledgement and reward.
He never found his place in South African society and always felt he had been short-changed. If he wasn’t getting the recognition then why would he celebrate anyone else.
He took nothing from the game unless he was the beneficiary. He justified everything in the name of Springbok rugby and the Afrikaans culture and he manipulated the game that represented the culture more than a sport. Where most would find a smile he found suspicion.
I liked him but he was not happy.
I always got the feeling he wouldn’t even allow for that because that could be an admission he had not won.
He was always in conflict and his tenure was about fighting whoever he felt provided a cover to the real issue, which was his insecurity.
He took but he gave little.
It is one thing to preach from a self-made pedestal but a leader of men is also an inspiration to the very men he leads.
He wanted mystique but then couldn’t resist telling you what he had done for South African rugby. He created an identity he believed would give him acceptance and he alienated every dominating personality.
He was a preacher of what he wanted portrayed, yet the intention to be liked and revered was not something he could ask for, so as he lost a disciple who realised the legend is what makes the man but the actions of the man that confirms the flaws in the legend.
If the game was his passion and the future of the game was his only concern we would be talking about his vision, his succession plan and his leadership.
The story would be of the guy who turned rags into silk but knew God. It is embarrassing. The only thing he gave rugby was conflict and blood. He adopted a militant style approach in which he spoke and never allowed for a response.
He stripped players of power and humiliated them and threatened their futures in the media. In a country where fear and conflict were positives that someone was in charge, he put himself in charge of the game and was never asked what he was actually going to do to make it the game for all South Africans.
He used the divide and rule among blacks and whites because he recognised weakness in an individual and played the vulnerabilities to facilitate whatever outcome that comes with uncertainty.
He took Nelson Mandela and the government to court to prove he was still a white Afrikaner who would not be intimidated by the black government.
He made sure it was a page one report.
He did it, he said, to show Afrikaners still had a voice and still had fight. He then used rugby as the punching bag.
He used culture, white fears and black unknowns to have so many applauding his strengths. But it was never about resolution or calm. It was about conflict and chaos because when there is no fight then there is usually reflection. In a fight there is only time to react.
Luyt’s legacy conflicts with every single entity that makes up the fabric of the game. He took the game he supposedly loved and made it his own game. He was an untouchable because he manipulated the executive structure – and when fear no longer sufficed neither did his games inspire even laughter.
He still couldn’t see the moral crime in subjecting Mandela to take the witness stand. He claimed victory but it also confirmed stupidity.
He tried so hard to create an identity of the Lions but he was a railway clerk whose arrogance and defiance was a misrepresentation of the culture whose silence he interpreted as a fight.
He fired by fax and turned the most disgraceful of acts into a kind of legend which applauded a man who was prepared to make the hard calls. All he knew was hardship and that is all he gave back to South African rugby.
It is disgusting that he was allowed to operate in such isolation and as a law unto himself. He clearly had a mind that favoured his own survival but emotional intelligence is the result of an environment and tutorship and being taught, not self-taught.
He never added value to the game’s evolution. There is no legacy to applaud. His rugby administration was a contradiction. Morality was as interpretive as was loyalty and betrayal.
Rugby was the platform for Luyt to turn a lost soul into a tortured one and he tried to make everyone believe that his soul knew only sacrifice.
He was a sad man because not only did he derive pleasure at the expense of others but the ultimate humiliation was of his own doing because his identity and influence believed there was substance to his existence, but he could never get what he thought was a show of strength. And arrogance was ignorance and in degrees of ignorance the worst form is when there is a belief that all the ugly qualities that make a leader uninspiring are presented as strengths of a no-nonsense leader.
Luyt did not entertain minds that would expose the limitations of his own and it is one thing to fight but another to succeed without a fight.
A day before his death no one cared for his rants. A day after the myth is magnified. The platitudes have been predictable and inoffensive but the inane nature is more insult than compliment to the King of Ellis Park and self-proclaimed King of the Rugby Jungle.
In death he did no evil. In life he only knew evil.
Luyt’s final act as South African rugby chief was to embarrass the intellect and integrity of Afrikaans-speaking South Africans who are excited by inclusion on the world map and not offended that it was not listed as the chosen planet.
The good doctor was so insecure at what he hadn’t experienced because of his environment that he believed titles would create the illusion of intelligence and that fear was just another way of making sure no one disputed he was the boss.
His decision to humiliate one of the world’s saints was the act of a sinner; alternatively a man who was showing his lack of class, education and upbringing. His attempts to justify his action and his conviction in doing so belong on The Jerry Springer Show.
He always spoke of not needing to be popular and then he found something in popularity that he sold to himself as weakness.
Come to think of it, he rarely spoke about what was good for South African rugby. He always spoke about what he was doing for South African rugby and he created the chaos and never had time to explain what it was that kept him so busy. He didn’t give South African rugby professionalism. He didn’t care. In the last few years all he did was condemn the government. He manipulated the weakness in rugby’s administration to impress his strength.
He was an impostor as a leader and the game deserved so much more. Luyt, when he lived, benefited from the illusion of his leadership.
Don’t allow the lie to continue.
– This article first appeared in the March issue of Business Day Sport Monthly, which is distributed FREE with the newspaper on the second last Friday of every month.
748 Comments
19 Feb 2013, 06:34 am
Dead dragons don’t donner malicious midgets.
Luyt wasn’t the most popular bloke around but he sure as hell knew how to run a union.
19 Feb 2013, 06:48 am
Pretty nasty and vindictive piece keo, did he steel your lollies when you were younger?
19 Feb 2013, 06:48 am
Jislaaket keo, we all know he wasnt a fairy but he did some good for the game in this country! After reading this i was wondering how many tissues did you use while writing this piece, very negative piece this. The man had his flaws but damn he knew how to run a union
19 Feb 2013, 06:52 am
And keo whats up with the afrikaner thing again man, looks like it isn’t the afrikaner people thats got the problem in todays rugby, its the watsons and the keos that don’t know how to forgive and move on
19 Feb 2013, 06:52 am
I a never comfortable saying the following, but this article forces me to:
F*ck off, Mark Keohane.
19 Feb 2013, 06:54 am
yoh!
19 Feb 2013, 06:57 am
Tomorrow will be a “Cheeky is the chosen one ” piece of drivel.
19 Feb 2013, 07:01 am
” Luyt’s final act as South African rugby chief
was to embarrass the intellect and integrity
of Afrikaans-speaking South Africans who
are excited by inclusion on the world map
and not offended that it was not listed as
the chosen planet.”
what does this mean keo?
afrikaans-speaking people in SA come from various communities.
19 Feb 2013, 07:01 am
This article leads me to ponder on what people will write about Keo after his death.
Anyone care to suggest a few adjectives?
19 Feb 2013, 07:02 am
I can just picture the dwarf man – with black suit and black mens platform shoes – at the late Luyt’s eulogy reading this article word for word and not blinking an eye – pointing to the casket saying “here lies a tyrant”
19 Feb 2013, 07:02 am
@Dilligafrican-7: why are the two polar opposites in your mind?
19 Feb 2013, 07:25 am
@Transformation-11: conservative white Afrikaans male who pretty much was anti-ANC vs liberal honorary black male pro-ANC.
Not rock science now is it Transie?
19 Feb 2013, 07:26 am
@Transformation-8:
He did an extra line of the white stuff it appears, half the stuff he wrote above made little sense to me…I think the stress is getting to him!
19 Feb 2013, 07:28 am
“rock science” – Hahahahaha Freudian slip maybe?
19 Feb 2013, 07:30 am
I thought that he was the driving force behind professional rugby and the start of Super Rugby. Neither the Lions or South Africa would have won cups without him. If you have no weaknesses you have no strenghts
19 Feb 2013, 07:31 am
@Slartibartfast-14: intentional one….
19 Feb 2013, 07:31 am
Mark Keo is a bored and likes to write kak especially about the Watsons… Why dont you write us something about you good friend Cheecky and his darkerside! Mark you fail in the “media propaganda” sh@t because i find it hard to believe some of the kak your writing. Come on man you better than this keo
19 Feb 2013, 07:33 am
Keo why not write a piece about Hoskins who imo has done way more damage to SA Rugby than late has ever done – ask my little @(-_-)@ he will tell you the long sad soppy story about how Hoskins rogered his queens in broad daylight back in 2006.
19 Feb 2013, 07:35 am
This article ought to get reaction on here ie absolute hatred of Keo… too little too luyt.
19 Feb 2013, 07:40 am
Thats my cue. im outta here. See you at sarugbymag.co.za
19 Feb 2013, 07:46 am
Luyt was a **** no doubt, however the writing in this article is so poor it is almost impossible to finish it.
19 Feb 2013, 07:46 am
This article says more about Mark Keohane than it does about Doctor Louis Luyt.
19 Feb 2013, 07:47 am
He couldn’t bully everyone Bevan turned down the Rolex.
19 Feb 2013, 07:48 am
@gunther-21:
Almost? So you actually finished it? Hats off…I could not even after two attempts.
19 Feb 2013, 07:52 am
@gunther-21:
KEO must have to watch his back when he’s out in public, plenty of people would be keen to have a crack.
19 Feb 2013, 07:53 am
@NZINCHINA-25:
I doubt it.
He’s only four foot high so he’s not that easy to spot.
19 Feb 2013, 07:54 am
@gunther-21: Here is a littlw poodle for you – give it to Capo next time he shows up.
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19 Feb 2013, 07:54 am
firstly… let me say i was not a fan of louis luyt… did not care for hom as a person at all…
so keo… what exactly does this piece achieve for the good of south african rugby…?
much of what you criticise Louis Luty for can be said about you based on your ramblings here…
dividing rugby supporters and making our afrikaans brothers feel judged and isolated all over again…
not tolerating any opinion other than your own and using humiliation to hammer the point home…
all about a dead man..?. who you claim you liked…? who can’t defend himself or call you to order for some pretty outlandish opinions…?
if you felt so strongly about luyt’s legacy… why did you not pen this piece long ago… when he was still alive…?
a really poor piece to try and inflate your own position and importance in sa rugby…
what a shame…
19 Feb 2013, 07:58 am
sorry about typos… damn small keypad
19 Feb 2013, 07:58 am
Keo’s late night writing is icreasingly resembling a Skopskiet rant from the early hours of the morning.
19 Feb 2013, 08:02 am
This article is a new low for you Mark. Really some discusting opinions imo.
Ive read Tony Johnstone’s article regarding luyt a week or two back, and although he mentioned the faults of Luyt he did it with respect.
Shame on you!
19 Feb 2013, 08:03 am
Do you honour someone who has lived by fostering division, manipulating and intimidating, is harsh with people and sees them as a means to an end? The reality is that although Luyt succeeded in some aspects of administration – he did so in such a way that is not in the least admirable. Keo has just revealed the reality of the situation. ” Here lies a tyrant” is a fitting title. Thank you for having the courage of your convictions and speaking the truth Keo.
19 Feb 2013, 08:05 am
Another thing Mark, reading through this article it almost comes across that you fear Afrikaners……..
Ai tog mark, moenie bang wees nie
19 Feb 2013, 08:08 am
@WhatIf-32:
There is nothing courageous about this article. Its cowardly and extremely hypocritical. Coming from a man who just yesterday told us all that Rugby should be about Hope and not Hatred. what a joke
19 Feb 2013, 08:08 am
@Tacitus-30:
ha ha, too true. too much emotional drivel in this piece. can’t believe business day published this.
19 Feb 2013, 08:14 am
Trying to get back on the map, Keo?
19 Feb 2013, 08:19 am
I have been following this site for a couple of years and today was the first time commenting on a article on this site! Kak artical, rather write about some more interesting things like whats up with Franscois Hougaard and Oscars Pistorius, I I read online that FHoug now not being considered for fridays game? Any news on that Keo!?
19 Feb 2013, 08:19 am
Sounds like another cocaine induced rage article sir.
Why hammer on the reputation of a dead Man Mark? At least as far as I know Louis Luyt was not a cocaine sniffing *** fiend who tried his hardest to sexually harass as many fellow female employees.
Shame on you sir….
19 Feb 2013, 08:20 am
Success is measured through results. Reality is that despite his “personality flaws” he still managed to ensure rugby’s survival in SA and on the international stage. When chaos is about to erupt, you need strong leadership. Dr Luyt was a self-made man and created emence wealth for himself and others during his reign. Funny that Transvaal/Lions fell apart after his retirement. Same can be said for SA Rugby, or am I the only one who remembers the Brain van Rooyen success story?
19 Feb 2013, 08:20 am
@WhatIf-32:
“Thank you for having the courage of your convictions and speaking the truth Keo.”
pity he didn’t have enough courage of his convictions to publish this attack while louis luyt was alive…
19 Feb 2013, 08:21 am
The 96′ Ab’s were highly motivated to win that year in SA as a direct result of Luyts behavior a year earlier at the WC dinner ceremony awards.
19 Feb 2013, 08:21 am
@Tacitus-9:
As hy vrek sal hulle skryf
Hier lê die kortgat klein stront
sy vriende en artikels het bewys hy’s eintlik ‘n ***t
19 Feb 2013, 08:22 am
@Hammer-22:
Nasty vindictive little pric.k
19 Feb 2013, 08:22 am
Jislaaik!!!
19 Feb 2013, 08:24 am
i see keo is attacking afrikaans speakers consistently much like luke did just once (that we know of).
mark, get ahold of yourself buddy, you are coming across as a nasty little d o o s.
19 Feb 2013, 08:24 am
“rock science” is a first class Frans Ludekak-ism
the man is “phenomenal”
19 Feb 2013, 08:25 am
Best to write this about oom Louis after his passing. Otherwise, sure as hell would have been another Rivonia trial, With page 1 publications.
Would have overshadowed the Oscar P soapie
19 Feb 2013, 08:26 am
@gunther-21:
I agree, lately some/most of Keo’s articles have been just a bunch of poorly constructed and far too lengthy ramblings. And not particularly objective…
19 Feb 2013, 08:26 am
@kaalvoetklong in China-4:
> And keo whats up with the afrikaner thing again man, looks like it isn’t the afrikaner people thats got the problem in todays rugby, its the watsons and the keos that don’t know how to forgive and move on
So much for Luke, Cheeky and Mark not having anything against Afrikaners
Maybe us Dutchmen should get the hint and boycott Keo?
After all we’ve been the target of Keo’s malice in the last two articles
19 Feb 2013, 08:27 am
louis luyt was a “doctor” of what exactly?
19 Feb 2013, 08:32 am
@ufo-40: exactly.
this is the scrambling of a coward who couldnt face luyt whilst he was alive.
i have no love for luyt though he did sanction the sharks (natal) entrance into cc top level.
he was also a bit of a do o s when it came to the way he handled ian mac but he did good as well as bad and i prefer to focus on the good he did.
19 Feb 2013, 08:32 am
@Transformation-50:
Dr No
19 Feb 2013, 08:33 am
and Mark is Dr Doolittle
19 Feb 2013, 08:34 am
Re the article, I agree in some respects & disagree in others, but Keo has the right to present his opinion, & others their contrary views.
The following statements by Keo have always intrigued me about LL’s position within Afrikanerdom:
“He was a fascinating character because of his contradictions …”
“… a(n Afrikaner) community that used his voice when necessary but never fully endorsed him as part of the exclusive brotherhood. This was down to class and not race. It was this lack of acceptance that tortured him. But he knew about survival because of a background that battled poverty.”
” … rugby was his status for greater acceptance in an Afrikaans elite that would never see him as their equal”
“The man who made rugby his kingdom was always aware that the boy in him wanted acknowledgement and reward”
**
Any thoughts about this from those “in-the-know”?
19 Feb 2013, 08:34 am
@victoriabok-49:
Miskien doen ek dit net, hy voel in elk geval ‘n veer vir ons.
19 Feb 2013, 08:36 am
The evil that man do live after them, the good is often interred with their bones – so said William Shakespear in Julius Caesar. Louis Luyt was evil just like many other dictators, ask Madiba. He called him a pittiless dictactor. He knew from experience.
Great article Keo.
19 Feb 2013, 08:36 am
Keo is a kiwi – sent here by the NZRU to undermine SA Rugby. His kiwi brother is imbedded in SASCOCK to do the little mans bidding from that angle.
He was on a coke high when he penned this piece that is for sure.
19 Feb 2013, 08:38 am
we have had the “revolution” article, a bunch of luke articles and the chadenfreude article now we get the luyt article.
its interesting at least but keo is our version of jerry springer, a man who thrives on polarising opinion and in fact actively encourages it as it creates the space for him to operate in.
he would have made a helluva apartheid operative because his moduc operandi is similar.
sadly for him, the rest of the gang have jumped ship and he is on his own after they merrily went along with it for a while.
i hope keo. co . za never goes under but handling poison can eventually lead to an error that ends it all for the assasain.
19 Feb 2013, 08:38 am
@Transformation-50:
Luyt is a Doctor in the same way that Julius is a matriculant.
19 Feb 2013, 08:41 am
@ufo-40: Perhaps we should consider this – the article is not written to Luyt (an apparently incorrigible person) but to those who would glorify a myth. Keo attacks the myth, exposing it for what it is. Have you never worked with a destructive leader like this? It is a frustrating and demeaning experience and it pushes out a whole generation of good people who could have contributed signification. What sense would there be in attacking someone who had been relegated to insignificance. It is the resurgence of admiration (for what Luyt had done) that triggered this article I suspect.
19 Feb 2013, 08:42 am
Mark, aside from coming off a a coward for writing this piece post mortem, did you even take time to edit your own piece before posting.
This is as shambolic a piece of journalism as Ive ever had the misfortune of reading.
‘He was a reminder of everything the world detested in apartheid South Africa but he survived on the fears of those who were uncertain about the future and ill-informed and still related to noise as leadership, when introspection and reflection were words more appropriate to change. A legacy is earned through innovation and the impact of an action; not an ability just to react.’
I mean, for fk sakes man, what is that?
19 Feb 2013, 08:43 am
My first time commenting on this site. I just couldn’t hold my tongue!
Luyt wasn’t the most love person but he got things done. Same can be said about your much beloved p0epol ButtCheecks who’s you proclaim is the father of the Messiah!
We’re you bullied by an afrikaner when you were younger Mark? Cause you seem to be a little sour towards them/us.. I can kind of understand the He/she(Transie)’s chip on the shoulder but what did they/we ever do to you… Did the girls get picked before you in the cul de sac rugga games?
But like one of your sidekick mentioned earlier… Very ‘courages’ of you to bag on a dead man!
The least you could have done, was do it well… How the hell can you be a profesional journalist???
19 Feb 2013, 08:45 am
@Transformation-46: geology now a banned word?
19 Feb 2013, 08:45 am
Stem saam, dit sal altyd die Afrikaner se skuld wees in die oe van mense soos keo en kie, dis dalk tyd dat keo ophou Percy se wit onderbroeke snyf, die walms gaan na sy kop toe
19 Feb 2013, 08:45 am
He had a PhD Business
Administration, a PhD in Commerce
and a law degree.
19 Feb 2013, 08:46 am
actually mark… on second thoughts…
i’m done… i’m outta here for good…
yeah… only one little old me but i’m voting with my feet…
i am sick of your OTT self-important, hit-generating negativity masquerading as honesty and journalistic integrity… it’s BS…
it’s not about louis luyt… as i said i didn’t like the man… it’s about your disrespect for your posters… you need them for your business to succeed…
haven’t the last couple of months taught you anything…? or are you too arrogant to learn anything…? you don’t need this cr@p to generate hits and debates on your blog…
you have the ability to influence rugby and rugby followers positively by focusing on the good and redistributing positive energy… and getting people to pull in the same direction…
yet instead you choose to use your platform to sow division, rancor and hatred… ironically in much the same way of which you accuse louis luyt…
you know mark… you continually underestimate and patronise the posters on your blog…
when things looked bad for you a few weeks ago many of these people said they would continue to post here and support you even in the face of hsm promoting their own blog… but instead of acknowledging that and building on the sentiment expressed you only think that empowers you to be even more obnoxious…?
as much as i’ve always respected and said i admire the freedom you allow on this blog… it is the diversity of the posters that make your site the success it is… there are much better articles on other blogs but they don’t have the traffic and support you do… yet you continually preach to these posters in a most distasteful and alienating manner…
you don’t deserve the support shown you by your posters… because for you it’s not about rugby is it…? it’s just about you…
you really do need to engage in some serious introspection mark… there is a growing ugliness about you that you should recognise and try to deal with…
it really is not pleasant…
so good luck to you… but i will no longer waste my time on your blog…
this is not a rant about me… i’m a nobody… but mark if you don’t start showing your posters some respect you’re going to lose them….
cheers all… been good knowing and chatting to you all… i’m outta here for good… …and the shark fans (and a couple of stormers fans) all cheer…!!
go stormers…
19 Feb 2013, 08:46 am
@RL-57:
No you guys do a great job of undermining each other in the Rainbow nation.
19 Feb 2013, 08:47 am
@Transformation-50:
PhD in Business Admin.
19 Feb 2013, 08:48 am
This article is very poor form in my opinion.
The only thing I know of Luydt was that he was a verkrampte plaas boer who negotiated our best ever superrugby pay package.
I see no need for an article like ths after he has passed, what purpose could it serve other than to massage the authors ego?
Where was this article when he was in power?
what cowardice.
19 Feb 2013, 08:48 am
@ufo-66:
Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water now.
19 Feb 2013, 08:50 am
@Peter Mkata-56:
Seriously? You really think this is a great article?
Look, no ones denying that Luyt was a bit of a d ick but if you think this is a good article then you have nothing more than a pre school education.
19 Feb 2013, 08:51 am
Court officials are asking over 100 journos to “decide amongst themselves” who gets into blade runners bail hearing.
#oscargate
19 Feb 2013, 08:51 am
> He was a reminder of everything the world detested in apartheid South Africa but he survived on the fears of those who were uncertain about the future and ill-informed and still related to noise as leadership
> He was an impostor as a leader
He was a *******, but still didn’t do to bad for a guy with std 8, a railway clerk like you called him
Free State lock and captain
And with no-one backing him and the Broederbond against him still becoming a succesful businessman. Making SA Rugby professional and keeping Packer out
And who are you to criticize him?
Seeing that you suddenly know so much about leadership, please enlighten us what you have achieved?
A shitstirring, washed up journalist promoting an over-the-hill flanker at any opportunity, while being his commie godfather dad’s bit.ch?
All while drinking, sniffing coke and pumping prostitutes?
19 Feb 2013, 08:52 am
@WhatIf-60:
You are wasting your time. Emotion has taken over here. Some poeple have withdrawn or taken refuge into laagers already.
19 Feb 2013, 08:53 am
Sid Going thought ole Louis was a wonderful host and generous man.
19 Feb 2013, 08:54 am
@Transformation-50:
What did Keo study?
Journalism?
19 Feb 2013, 08:54 am
A bit heavy handed but some truths in there. SARU need strong leaders but it needs good leaders. Luyt was one out of two whereas the current crop are nought out of two.
19 Feb 2013, 08:54 am
@Peter Mkata-56:
and where is our beloved Madiba’s voice when it comes to commenting on the Malema’s, zuma’,etc….
very easy to stick the boot into an afrikaaner not so easy when it is one of your own,is it?
19 Feb 2013, 08:55 am
@ufo-66:
Hang around UFO.
19 Feb 2013, 08:56 am
@Peter Mkata-74:
> Some poeple have withdrawn
Said the poepol
19 Feb 2013, 08:57 am
@John Galt-68: from which university?
19 Feb 2013, 08:57 am
@Te Rangatira-75:
I doubt the 95 Ab’s would concur though Rangi.
19 Feb 2013, 08:58 am
@RL-57:
> His kiwi brother is imbedded in SASCOCK to do the little mans bidding from that angle.
And Keo’s impaled on LUKESCOCK
19 Feb 2013, 09:00 am
@WhatIf-60:
So be it, but I dont recall anyone really glorifying the ‘myth’ there is no confusion of how Luyt ruled and his reign ended due to his short comings. So why rant on about it?
Keo is really just creating a myth about a myth to write a poor article. Jeez some sentences just dont make any sense. Paragraph sentences, whats up with that? Im no journalist, but his articles are becoming more and more mediocre.
19 Feb 2013, 09:00 am
I see that the race card has been plucked from the deck….this could get pretty ugly so I think I’m going to skip the rest of this thread.
19 Feb 2013, 09:01 am
@ufo-66: and I was so looking forward to doing battle against you this year
new guppy vs the veteran brokeback … the mediocre AC vs IRANZ Plum – good (black and white) vs evil (blue and white).
Cheers and smell you later.
19 Feb 2013, 09:02 am
@John Galt-61: Strangely Luyt drew the ire of the apartheid government for meeting the ANC in exile….and was responsible for the rebel tours…
19 Feb 2013, 09:02 am
@ufo-66:
I am with you ufo, will at the very least take a sabbatical until keo comes out of rehab…
Cheers all.
19 Feb 2013, 09:03 am
Farewell to two greats and Sevens shocks
——————————————————————————–
by Tony Johnson 06/02/2013, 08:40
This is my first column for 2013, so to all readers of the supersport.com site, I trust you have had a good Christmas/New Year.
To start, condolences to the families of Morne van der Merwe and Louis Luyt, both of whom have passed away in recent times.
Morne was a popular, cornerstone member of the Wellington Lions team that won our national championship, the Air New Zealand Cup, in 2000.
The final against favourites Canterbury was a thriller, laced with heroic contributions. Norm Hewitt, the former All Black hooker played the last 20 minutes with a broken arm, and Morne carried on despite taking a head knock…something you wouldn’t be allowed to do now, but it’s just as well for Wellington that he did because somehow he managed to cut down Canterbury’s flying Fijian winger when he seemed set to score a winning try….as another great character of a prop, the late John Drake used to say, props can run as fast as anyone, but only when they really have to!
Wellingtonians have paid tribute to Morne…Hewitt rated him among the top 6-8 props he played with or against, while other players have recalled his excellent guitar playing at the team get-togethers that can be so crucial in forging a strong bond.
As for Louis Luyt, well at the peak of his powers Louis was a somewhat villainous figure in the eyes of New Zealanders, as he was, at times I’m sure, to many South Africans.
He was seen as a power broker behind the Cavaliers tour that caused so much division in the NZ game, and after rising to the top of South African Rugby, and playing such a role in making the 1995 RWC tournament such a historic success, Louis put noses out of joint with some less than diplomatic comments at the post-tournament dinner following South Africa’s epic win over the All Blacks.
Roll forward to Cape Town 2001 when I made two significant purchases. One was a bracelet for my new girlfriend…now my wife, the other was a copy of the “unauthorised” Max du Preez biography of Louis Luyt, which I found so utterly fascinating that I read it cover to cover on the flight home.
I discussed the book on my sports spot on the Newstalk radio show with the country’s leading broadcaster, Paul Holmes, who had met and was also fascinated by Louis. Our conversations sparked such interest in the book that a shipment of copies had to be imported into New Zealand.
Armed with information from the book, I set up an interview with Dr Luyt two years later in Durban. I told Holmes (who co-incidentally also died last week) I was going to ask all the tough questions he had failed to ask when he’d interviewed him, on account of him being “seduced” by the charms of his host!
Easier said than done. We arrived at the Luyt home near Durban and were met with such effusive hospitality that I found it nigh impossible to take a hard-line approach. I tried, but he was a master of talking around a curly question without really answering it, and seemed genuinely aggrieved by the suggestion that he was, as so many had claimed, a bully.
Our crew eventually left, having done our interview, cleaned up the platter of delicious sandwiches, drunk fine coffee, politely declined the offer of a beer, chatted to Louis and his lovely wife Adri, and admired his beautiful home. It was a very enjoyable experience and while the hour-long interview was well received back home, I knew that I had been denied the really hard-hitting feature I had gone looking for because I too had found it hard to get past the charming side of Louis Luyt.
Dr Luyt was not perfect. He made plenty of enemies, often with people he’d been close to, and he brought a lot of criticism on himself, but there is also something to admire about what he was able to achieve, especially from such humble beginnings. His role in seeing off the rebel World Rugby Corporation (WRC) should never be understated….it was he who made the most significant move when he made the Springboks an offer they couldn’t refuse, breaking the back of the player-led revolution.
I am just glad that I was able to meet with him, and see the “other” side of him, to be able to put some balance into my perceptions of the man when much of what we had read and heard about him from afar was the controversial stuff.
19 Feb 2013, 09:05 am
I hope “Cheeky” and all his cronies give you a seat in the “Presidents “suite on Saturday to watch the “Watson” 15 take a beating. This is my last visit to your “Mickey Mouse” political Forum.
19 Feb 2013, 09:08 am
@RL-57: Keo is an NZRU plant sent to undermine SA rugby?
its your priovincialism and your admin that undermine SA rugby
you “truthers” really are nutjobs..
19 Feb 2013, 09:08 am
I am with general view here, no need after his death to write this.
It will be very interesting to get some comment from some of the people that worked with him. I do know that a previous WP Rugby President that I think was Luyt;s deputy was “skyt bang” for Luyt and always before SARVU meetings ask his wife “Waar is my pilletjies”
19 Feb 2013, 09:09 am
I do not like this Keo rant either. It is juvenile, vindictive and attention seeking….and I hate the ‘ Afrikaaner ‘ jibes……
May I point out , however, that I have seen a lot worse from bloggers bad mouthing Cheecky….yes, I Know he is still alive…
What would those bloggers be saying if Cheecky was dead? Probably be out celebrating….?
Hypocrites….
19 Feb 2013, 09:11 am
What’s everyone getting so worked up about? Very little in the article regarding Luyt’s behaviour is untrue and none of it is news to anyone? Besides it’s an opinion piece, do aome of you really care that much?
I can;t help but notice how hyper-senstive some afrikaners are….the mere mention of the word in an article gets a lot of hackles up. I didn;t see an anti-afrikaner sentiment in the article? Trying to think who else is so knee-jerk sensitive….oh yes, the ANC…. hehe
19 Feb 2013, 09:13 am
@grant10-93: uhm…..as you say, he is still alive…..where’s the hypocrisy in that?
19 Feb 2013, 09:13 am
@Slartibartfast-55:
> Miskien doen ek dit net, hy voel in elk geval ‘n veer vir ons
Dan kan hy soveel artikels oor hasbeen Luke en die Kings skryf wat hy wil en Transformations en sy vyftien aliase en Peter Mokaba kan daaroor juig
19 Feb 2013, 09:14 am
This was my first day on the site and my last… Im out and goodluck to all South African sides in the S15! Hou by die blou . Greetings to all from n sunny day in China.
19 Feb 2013, 09:14 am
@grant10-93: What afrikaner jibes?? Show me one….see this is my point in #94, you’re getting hysterical over something imagined & swept up in the paranoid excitement, have some tea and relax
19 Feb 2013, 09:14 am
Keo.
ufo will be a genuine loss.
19 Feb 2013, 09:15 am
This was my first day on the site and my last… Im out and goodluck to all South African sides in the S15! Hou by die blou . Greetings to all
19 Feb 2013, 09:16 am
@the curse-91: does not change the fact that he is a kiwi
19 Feb 2013, 09:18 am
@ufo-66: Well Ufo, I hope you change your mind.This is not a website to be taken too seriously.You are one of the few bloggers here who usually remains above the freeforall that sucks in so many others.
Either way I wish you good luck. Go the Stormers.
19 Feb 2013, 09:18 am
Keo please change the headline – Luyt was no tyrant, he was no dictator if anything he was a doos and an autocrat.
19 Feb 2013, 09:19 am
“His decision to humiliate one of the world’s saints was the act of a sinner; alternatively a man who was showing his lack of class, EDUCATION and upbringing.”
Really?
19 Feb 2013, 09:21 am
@grant10-93: @Atreides-98:
He’s been gunning for the Afrikaners in his last two articles
19 Feb 2013, 09:21 am
This is what one does when one needs to revive ones standing and reputation as a ‘serious sports journo’ here in the RS of A.
You attack……..then sit back and watch it play out exactly as planned.
-Outrage
-Anger
-Unhealthy debate
-Controversy
=
More google hits when your name is typed into the search engine
+
publicity (undeserved of course……..)
=
Back with a bang and a BOOM, and thy name is once more on the map that is the ‘limelight’.
Don’t be angry folk, Dr Luyt would laugh this off for what it is…..(and perhaps silently applaud the writer’s desperate effort at ‘survival’….)
Freedom of speech is a one size fits all concept.
We’re all entitled to say what we want, yes, even those who choose to be controversial.
Do I agree with this article? Nope – it’s a character assasination of not only a man, but a collective group of peoples.
Do I agree with the author’s right to pen this article – Hellyes.
Take it from where it comes….and if you want to protest said articles place on this site; do it by ignoring it. Don’t comment on it – don’t react at all, thus denying the author the reaction he expects (and wants).
Simples.
19 Feb 2013, 09:22 am
Agree with the sentiments Ufo, youre one of the few good okes on this site..
@RL-101: is this you Bakkies?
19 Feb 2013, 09:22 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-106: 100%
19 Feb 2013, 09:22 am
Okay. Mark… this was bad journalism, I must say. It is this type of dribble that caused the ANC to bring in censorship on the media.
You make one sentence statements, without explaining why and how you come to that conclusion. Many of the things you said is probably true, but with your lack of evidence or explanation you did nothing to Luyt’s ‘myth’, but damaged your integrity as a reporter.
This stinks of the similar **** you had with Jake White. You propagandized White as the best coach ever, but the moment White gave you a cold shoulder you started to spit vomit. In other words, the real question after this article, what happened between you and Luyt on a personal level?
19 Feb 2013, 09:22 am
@Slartibartfast-13: Now good man all you have done is tell me you are not the brightest. I found Luyt a very interesting character to deal with but he was not good for the game of rugby. He was self serving. To those who think he did wonderful things for the game, please mail me your contributions at keo@keo.co.za and I will post these tributes.
19 Feb 2013, 09:23 am
@Hammer-65: from where?
Louis Louis Luyt was born in
1932, and grew up in
modest circumstances
in the Karoo.
In the
1940s Luyt was
employed as a railway
clerk.
During his rugby
career in the 1950s,
he captained the
Orange Free State
province. By the end
of the 1960s Luyt had
become a millionaire.
In 1989 he took over
the Presidency of the
Transvaal Rugby union
and shortly afterwards
was elected President
of the South African
Rugby football Union
(SARFU).
It was during
this period that he
came under attack for
his administration
style and efforts to
transform the sport
into a professional
one.
He was accused
of nepotism, bullying
tactics, and
administering
autocratically. In 1992
Luyt clashed with the
African National
Congress when he
chose to play only the
Afrikaans section of
the national anthem at
the Springbok’s rugby
test match against the
All Blacks at Ellis Park
stadium.
Luyt became infamous
for his role in the
court case involving
President Nelson
Mandela. He was a
hostile witness in the
commission of inquiry
into SARFU affairs.
Gradually people
distanced themselves
from him, including
his former son-in-law
Rian Oberholzer, the
then Managing
Director of SARFU.
This
moved resulted in
Luyt’s sacking as
President of SARFU in
May 1998. Luyt then
ventured into politics
with the Federal
Alliance Party (FA),
which he financed
personally.
His stated
purpose in forming the
FA was to protect the
rights and integrity of
Afrikaners.
The FA
took part in South
Africa’s first
democratic election in
1999 but won no
seats, dissolving soon
thereafter. .
As an
entrepreneur, Luyt
was prominent in the
establishment of the
Triomf fertilizer
empire, and that of
the Citizen newspaper,
which was embroiled
in the info scandal of
the late 1970s, which
prompted the
resignation of the
Minister of
Information Connie
Mulder, and indirectly
to the retirement of
Vorster from the
Premiership.
Luyt was
married to Adri and
they lived in the north
of Durban.
19 Feb 2013, 09:23 am
Keo’s article is a critique of Louis Luyt, not of Afrikanerdom …
Louis Luyt is as controversial in death as he was in life – fact; there will be strong opinions pro and con; I, for one, posted a LL-tribute here on this blog shortly after his death; but some of the matters raised by Keo are true, & others, matters of opinion, which obviously aren’t held by all. Mature people can tolerate contrary opinion, as long as it is not untruthful.
Again playing the “indignant Afrikaner card” is inappropriate.
19 Feb 2013, 09:23 am
@kaalvoetklong in China-100: Get out while you still can. This place is the Hotel California of rugby blogs. Get help. Tell them there are others still trapped in here.
19 Feb 2013, 09:24 am
Maybe a few emails to the advertisers pointing out how he’s targeting a specific population group is in order?
I’m sure Cheeky and Transie will buy all the sawblades and drillbits, they are the target market after all, not the dumb Dutc.cmen
19 Feb 2013, 09:24 am
@Tacitus-5: No Tacitus, no article forces you to do anything, you clearly just wanted to tell me to F off – and there’s no crime in that if it makes you feel better. Your range of response though has limitations and as a fellow Bulls supporter I thought there would be a bit more insight to your counter opinion.
19 Feb 2013, 09:27 am
well he had one good thing to say about him:
Luyt’s World Cup is rugby’s golden egg
June 2 2000 at 08:07pm
By Mark Keohane
Rugby’s World Cup is right up there with sport’s biggest money spinners – and it has everything to do with Louis Luyt.
Last year’s rugby showpiece attracted 3,1-billion viewers, a total that ranks eighth in sport’s global events, and made R870-million – making it the third most lucrative sporting event after the soccer World Cup and the Olympics….
BTW Keo, when can we get the piece on the great contributions made by Silas Nkanunu and Brian van Rooyen?
19 Feb 2013, 09:27 am
@Atreides-98: I dont like referencing someones language…..FFS we are all just saffas man……worked up? Only thing working me up is the stormers game fri nite…I dont give a fark about the petty kak boet
19 Feb 2013, 09:27 am
@Angostura-112:
> Again playing the “indignant Afrikaner card” is inappropriate.
Byt my
19 Feb 2013, 09:29 am
@Angostura-112: Have you noticed that ironically, it’s usually the same ones who are most indignant about the race card…
19 Feb 2013, 09:29 am
@Tacitus-104:
> alternatively a man who was showing his lack of class, EDUCATION and upbringing.”
> Really?
Says Keo, the man with lots of class and education
19 Feb 2013, 09:30 am
@Atreides-119:
@Angostura-112:
Praat jy lekker met jouself?
19 Feb 2013, 09:31 am
drama…drama…drama…..
soap opera kak…..
all I am interested in is the Bulls team…..
Please Ludeke leave Steggies and Arno out…..and Serfontein…make my day !!
19 Feb 2013, 09:32 am
Louis Luyt is not worth our time. Moving on.
19 Feb 2013, 09:32 am
@posts-15: He was not the driving force behind professionalism. Pienaar was paid R1million commission to sign the 96 WC Boks to the rebel breakaway which would have end all amateur hold on the game. Luyt, with the buy in of the provincial presidents, offered PIenaar one cent more and made out the cheque to R1million and one cent and Pienaar then stayed and influenced the core of the squad, which was Transvaal players to stay. The players outside o Transvaal felt betrayed at Pienaar’s action, especially the faction led by Tiaan Strauss. The Rebel breakaway had to have the World Champions to make it work. Pienaar’s action was self serving, as was Luyt’s. Pienaar went where he got one cent more and Luyt acted to ensure he controlled the transition to what he termed professional rugby, which was simply paying the players over the counter and not under the counter, but nothing in the administration of the game globally changed.
The push to break to professionalism was scuppered by Pienaar and not influenced by Luyt. Consider that perspective. Luyt and the IRB presidential amateur reps would have had no involvement with professionalism had it been started as a breakaway and involved the top players from each of the main countries.
19 Feb 2013, 09:34 am
@grant10-117: Glad to hear it…it’s the lack of tolerance of other’s viewpoints that causes so much strife in SA
As for the term Afrikaner, that is how they wish to be referred to so it can’t be inherently disrespectful?
19 Feb 2013, 09:34 am
@grant10-122:
Leave the Bulls out of it, fark, leave rugby out of it altogether
This is the official Kings site and Luke Shrine
19 Feb 2013, 09:35 am
@rossoneri-123:
Is jy weer Rossoneri vandag Trassie?
19 Feb 2013, 09:35 am
@stormer in a teacup-102: Again on a point of technicality. Is it the website that is not to be taken too seriously or those who post religiously every day who are not to be taken too seriously. Or would that be too emotionally challenging that it would force each individual to actually take responsibility for their opinion or is it just a case that ‘not to be taken too seriously’ is the cop out that allows one (read you or anyone in that regard) to say what they want cos it is not to be taken too seriously. Just a thought, obviously not to be taken too seriously.
19 Feb 2013, 09:36 am
@keo-124:
Why do you hate us so much?
19 Feb 2013, 09:40 am
Keo… extremely well written article.
I don’t agree with much of the contents but that’s your prerogative.
In saying that, as a lifelong Lions/Transvaal rugby supporter I have always respected Dr Luyt and perhaps put him on a pedestal – as many Lions fans did.
He acted as a law onto himself for his own survival yes. But I believe he was a victim of his own circumstances and the dawn of professional rugby demanded a strong leader (even if he was a control freak). I don’t believe we could’ve made the transition to the professional era without him. I really think SA would’ve been bullied in the initial Super Rugby were it not for him.
19 Feb 2013, 09:41 am
@victoriabok-129: he just hates us ‘cos we’re black
19 Feb 2013, 09:42 am
08:32 – Kenny Kunene gets a hero’s welcome at
#OscarPistorius case, security guards allow him
in without queuing like the rest of us. Unfair,
tweets @Peroshni .
Uhm….wtf is this fool doing there??
19 Feb 2013, 09:44 am
@ufo-28: I was asked to write a piece about his supposed rugby legacy because of his death. It really is that simple. You decide what it achieves and as I have said often this is a blog that encourages debate and discussion and a difference of opinion.
Feel free to write a piece on Luyt that counters the view and I will publish it. Feel free to write a piece on me and I will publish it. I interacted with Luyt for the best part of 15 years in my professional capacity. It is not just a pub opinion, having never met the bloke.
Given I have never met you and you have never worked with me or interacted professionally with me I take it your piece would be ill-informed, but nevertheless I would have no problem publishing it.
There are opinions and informed opinions and they are very different in composition. But an opinion is not a fact and this is my opinion of Luyt. I welcome the opposite and the more voices there are on a topic the more it challenges our own prejudice, perception etc and it should also challenge how we shape whatever view me may have on the subject matter.
Why do so many find debate and discussion so difficult?
19 Feb 2013, 09:44 am
@Kid_Senekal-130: An organization needs different leaders at different times.
Sometimes one needs the brash, take no bullish.it guys, other times the ones holding huggathons.
Luyt was the right leader at the right time and one should judge him in that perspective.
19 Feb 2013, 09:45 am
@keo-133: Would a piece on you be classified as a short story?
19 Feb 2013, 09:46 am
@Transformation-111:
Think it was one of those honorary PhD jobs.
Not sure from where.
19 Feb 2013, 09:46 am
@Transformation-111:
“administering autocratically.”
surely this can’t be a bad thing when talking SARU?
compared to what we have now with umpteen presidents all wanting their cut and nothing ever getting done?
19 Feb 2013, 09:47 am
@keo-133: But that’s the point Keo. What is there to counter. Everything you wrote sounds like thumb-sucking without explanation of how you come to those statements. Explain what you mean and we’ll either believe you or counter it. There is nothing to discuss except bad journalism.
19 Feb 2013, 09:48 am
@victoriabok: ” I’m sure Cheeky and Transie will buy all the
sawblades and drillbits, they are the target
market after all, not the dumb Dutc.cmen”
you are really obsessed with me hey…get help
19 Feb 2013, 09:49 am
@Rage-132: One of Oscar’s best mates……
If you want proper and live updates from the courtroom, follow this.
Our media are useless.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/feb/19/oscar-pistorius-bail-hearing-live-coverage
19 Feb 2013, 09:49 am
whoa , wait lemme read it again before i comment !
19 Feb 2013, 09:50 am
@Kid_Senekal-130: There would not have been Super Rugby. There would have been a global franchise structure, similar to the North American sporting conferences.
Thank you for being able to differentiate between the content and the composition of the piece but I do accept that few can do this as content (whether someone likes what you saying or doesn’t) will influence whether they think it is a well written piece or not.
I can understand why he commanded such a following among supporters because in a den of weak and cowardly provincial presidents he was the bully who ruled the den with fear and then projected a no nonsense approach and tough business guy when in fact he was just a bully who created an environment that did not allow for anyone to challenge the insecurity at the core of his bullying. He felt intellectually inferior all his life to the elite and well educated in his community who never accepted him into the fold.
19 Feb 2013, 09:51 am
@victoriabok-118: o, jy’s ‘n voorbok – jy byt jouself & kerm tog te lekker – gee jou meer rede om aanhoudend jou uitsonderlike bitter gal te braak. As jy so aanhou sal jy no eendag jou voorpoot afknaag.
19 Feb 2013, 09:51 am
@keo-133:
Keo, so basically Luydt did no good whatsoever in his time as president?
Also, had the players post 95′ sided and signed with Straaus who would they have played for when the unions/national sides were owned/controled by Luydt/IRB?
19 Feb 2013, 09:53 am
@keo-115:
Fair enough. That response was beneath me. You just have the ability to make one so ANGRY sometimes.
I apologize for swearing. My low opinion of this article remains, however.
19 Feb 2013, 09:53 am
@Slartibartfast-2: To the contrary he provided lollies to anyone who wanted to suck on them. I am not really the lolly type. It is hardly vindictive but an opinion. Feel free to challenge it and send me 2000 words on why all I have said is vindictive and bull and I will publish your piece. That way the punter who does not have a view on Luyt will have my insight and your insight, by way of just two pieces, to read and formulate an opinion based on more than just one view. Address: keo@keo.co.za
19 Feb 2013, 09:53 am
@keo-142:
okay, got it….but that would not have solved “International Rugby” and where would the feeder players come from. The SA Unions still would control all the players in the CC?
19 Feb 2013, 09:54 am
@Atreides-119: of course, & normally ex-pats as well
19 Feb 2013, 09:57 am
@Angostura-143: no = nog
out, off to work I go – later
19 Feb 2013, 09:58 am
@keo-146: Ah! Keo didn’t receive a lollie to suck on. Now the piece makes sense. Thanks for wasting our time.
19 Feb 2013, 09:58 am
@Bouts-109: I disagree. My spat on a personal level with White does not an did not alter the fact that he is a bloody good rugby coach; one of the best in my opinion.
I looked specifically at Luyt’s role in his rugby capacity. I am not making the judgement of him as a person, a father or a partner, but my view on him as a rugby administrator who ruled as a dictator and a bully. He ruled very much as those who have interacted politically with Mugabe claim he rules ZImbabwe.
Please support your view that I have eve trashed Jake White’s coaching ability in any professional form. I have often said he doesn’t understand friendship and I have called him a prick in his capacity as a friend, but I have differentiated between what views I have had, have and may have in the future of him as a person and him as a rugby coach.
19 Feb 2013, 09:58 am
So Luke Watson was right. LOL
19 Feb 2013, 09:59 am
@ 140 pedigree
Thanks for that link,going to check it out now,although it’s hard to believe that Kunene and Oscar are “mates”!
19 Feb 2013, 10:00 am
@keo-151:
in 2006 you wanted Jake fired did you not?
surely that by default is an opinion on his coaching ability?
19 Feb 2013, 10:01 am
oh ok, so he never studied for the doctorate & got one of those that zuma also has..
clear
.
19 Feb 2013, 10:01 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-140:
So are our court officials.
Telling over hundred od the worlds media that they must ” decide amongst themselves” who gets in.
Presumably the Guardian journo has sharp elbows.
19 Feb 2013, 10:02 am
Interesting and well written article that took a lot of balls.
Well done Mark.
Will read the comments now, guess it will be less flattering towards you.
The gist of the article regarding his personality almost reminds me of another Luyt like clone called Malema, no?
19 Feb 2013, 10:02 am
This article confirms why transformation in Rugby or even all the sports codes in this country is happening at such a slow pace.
Thanks Keo, nice one.
19 Feb 2013, 10:05 am
I see Muslim reaction tendecies….
19 Feb 2013, 10:05 am
@mabu-158:
You’re going to have to expand on that thought because I cant see the connection.
Luyt hasnt been involved in Rugby for what, 10-15 years?
19 Feb 2013, 10:05 am
@Dilligafrican-134: Agreed.
19 Feb 2013, 10:08 am
@John Galt-160:
I think he is talking about tennis.
He also mention “tendecies”.
He sounds like Floyd.
This is not a good sign.
19 Feb 2013, 10:13 am
He studied part time and has one earned doctorate and one honorary doctorate. According to an article on rugby365.
19 Feb 2013, 10:19 am
@keo-128: Both. Neither the contents nor the opinions should be taken too seriously. Everyone is responsible for their own opinions for sure, but anyone who reads this site should be aware that opinions are only that and that the articles themselves are either opinion pieces or news.
19 Feb 2013, 10:19 am
I’ve been reading Keo.co.za for years but this place is really beginning to turn into an unpleasant and dirty back alley. The word decay seems apt.
Isn’t sport ultimately about pleasure, fun and community?
We need more of that.
19 Feb 2013, 10:21 am
@John Galt-160: The years when he was involved are the years when rugby was presumed a White mans sport.
And he did nothing to change that sentiment. Only Mr Rolihlahla did.
19 Feb 2013, 10:21 am
@gunther-162: Retar-d!
19 Feb 2013, 10:22 am
@NZINCHINA-82:
Howzit China….heres hoping you become the Louis Luyt of the Chinese milk market, bullying all those little fellas and cornering the market.
As for his comments at the 95 Wc, well he sadly lost the plot as a real Rugby man never degrades the losing opposition to their face straight after a game. But after reading Super Sid, who devoted a few paragraphs to Louis, he sounded like a very generous man and a wonderful host.
19 Feb 2013, 10:25 am
@mabu-167:
Don’t be unnecessary Floyd.
19 Feb 2013, 10:27 am
To all who are currently riding the high horse of indignation, read the following and then decide whether there is merit in what Keo wrote.
The Rugby War by Peter Fitzsimons.
The ONLY worthwhile book on what really transpired in ’95 regarding the breakaway and Pienaars’ betrayal.
Then also Rainbow Warrior by Pienaar to get his perspective, and of course insight into Luyt’s famous line to him after being held ransom and having to offer more money when expecting free loyalty. ” there’s a thin line between love and hate, and I hate you” was what Luyt told him.
Then for good measure read Luyt Unauthorised by Max du Preez, and after that Walking Proud by Don Nelson, the authorized version which paints the picture he wanted.
Then decide if the piece is unfair or has merits.
Yes, the timing is poor, should have been written sooner, but the opinion is the right of the author.
19 Feb 2013, 10:33 am
@Te Rangatira-168: Sid was one of my favourite ABs of all time. I have no doubt Louis was a generous host, but he was ungracious to many and his court action involving Mandela was that of a confrontational retrogressive man when the exact opposite was required.
19 Feb 2013, 10:34 am
@gunther-169: dont be obivious Luyt!
19 Feb 2013, 10:39 am
For me to disagree with Keo it would mean I would have to raise an alternative argument to prove the opposite. I cannot, because I agree with him. Luyt’s rugby legacy (which people either celebrate or condemn) is not that great.
The tone of the article might be a little bit on a personal level but then again, I am sure Mark knew him personally or at least professionally as a journalist.
Hell I can give you my personal views on two of the most disliked individuals in the last 5 years, PDV and Luke, and I will piss just about everybody off – but with the benefit that I spent time with them at one stage or more in conversation.
Such is life and opinion I guess.
19 Feb 2013, 10:42 am
link.pls hammer.
19 Feb 2013, 10:42 am
Oscar’s legal team ARE going for the burglar route.
Interesting.
19 Feb 2013, 10:42 am
@stormer in a teacup-171:
Valid point, but if he had taken Zuma or Malema to court, would we have felt the same, or would we have cheered about it.
Unfortunately Mandela was president at the time, so yes, no one wanted to see him being forced to attend, but did the case have merits?
And if yes, if it was another president, would it have been seen as a sin?
19 Feb 2013, 10:45 am
@gunther-175:
how the heck?
didn’t they find a cricket bat covered in blood?
this trial is going to be of OJ Simpson proportions
19 Feb 2013, 10:48 am
@mabu-172:
I think you should take a deep breath and read my first comment regarding Luyt.
Then clean the drool off your double chin mabs.
@Brigadier Van Zyl-177:
No mention made of the cricket bat or of her being shot before locking herself in the bathroom.
Lets just hope she wasn’t texting Hougie.
19 Feb 2013, 10:49 am
Hougard has just arrived at the church for the memorial.
19 Feb 2013, 10:53 am
@gunther-175: Gerrie seems to be rubbishing that theory big time.
19 Feb 2013, 10:54 am
@gunther-178: lol!
19 Feb 2013, 10:55 am
@nortierd-176: Mandela made great efforts to reach out and reassure the white community at a time when he could have cashed in and placated his core constituency. Luyt insulted this gesture. Neither Zuma nor the mental midget Malema would have been capable of the gestures or insight that Mandela showed at that time.
19 Feb 2013, 10:59 am
@rossoneri-179:
Keo’s roving reporter on the scene?
@rossoneri-180:
I can’t believe they are going with that.
The police at the time said there was no mention of any thought of an intruder.
Seems pretty desperate.
As expected it’s seems to hinge on what constitutes premeditation and whether the state can prove he knew she was in the bathroom.
I want to know if she had her phone with her?
19 Feb 2013, 11:02 am
Why is my little @(-_-)@ pretending to be drums for bums.
19 Feb 2013, 11:02 am
@gunther-183: It looks like the defence will go for “proof that he knew she was behind the door”.
19 Feb 2013, 11:03 am
@stormer in a teacup-182:
No one is disputing that.
I’m talking about whether the case had merits or not.
It was unfortunate and probably ill advised for Luyt to do what he did, but take Mandela out of the equation and consider what if someone else was president at the time, would it have been seen in the same light?
I doubt it and would venture to guess that most would have lauded Luyt for not backing down.
19 Feb 2013, 11:04 am
Great article ,MK.John Vorster was his great pal,so the article just confirm his tyrant status.
19 Feb 2013, 11:06 am
What the Brits think of LL.
Luyt’s last stand in the laager
Ian Wooldridge
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THE BOER WAR officially ended with the signing of a treaty on the cricket ground in Vereeniging, South Africa, in 1902. It’s a pity no-one told Dr Louis Luyt.
It is not so much that Dr Luyt being white himself – harbours an eternal grudge against the British whites for herding his Afrikaaner forebears into concentration camps. It is simply that he’d prefer to see South Africa’s blacks still corralled in the seething, squalid townships of the apartheid years.
Louis Luyt was always big into apartheid. He was a close buddy of Johannes Balthazar Vorster, ex-prime minister and a high priest of the creed, and used his considerable wealth to establish newspapers to preach the efficacy of white supremacy.
Canute had much the same problem and Luyt suffered a similar indignity.
Nelson Mandela came surfing down an onrushing tidal wave of history and established the Rainbow Nation to international acclaim.
But a crestfallen Luyt had a hand grenade concealed about his person. This week he removed the pin and threw it. And sport, which did so much to hasten the dismantle-ment of apartheid, is in chaos once again.
His actual weapon is rugby, over which, as president of the South African Rugby Football Union, he rules with an intransigence that denies discussion and a dogma which makes the Vatican look liberal, an appropriate allusion perhaps since, to the Afrikaaner, rugby is a religion. There are other adjectives that also apply – in alphabetical order, arrogant, fat and pompous – but I do want to be fair about this, although it’s rather hard.
Luyt’s Last Stand was brought about when South Africa’s National Sports Council required him to appear before a presidential commission of inquiry to be ques-
tioned about allegations of racism in the sport he ruled with an iron fist.
Unlike cricket, which released funds and hired coaches from all over the world to encourage aspiring young blacks to take up the game, rugby dragged its heels and stared in dumb defiance at the outrageous idea of being so defiled.
Not only did Luyt refuse to appear, he breathtakingly hauled President Mandela into court to challenge his audacity to question him. The judge found for Luyt.
Mandela had been humiliated and, make no mistake, there were loud cheers from the Voortrekker wagons still ranged in a circle against the new South Africa.
A few weeks ago I asked a prominent South African businessman who knows Luyt well what the future held for the president of the South African RFU.
‘Oh’, he said confidently, ‘Louis will make his point and then resign.’ This week Luyt did nothing of the sort. He bellowed renewed defiance: ‘I bow to no man but God.’ This, incidentally, was no off-the-cuff riposte. For decades it has been the dumb response from the catechism of apartheid to any awkward question.
19 Feb 2013, 11:08 am
@Mr Black-185:
It’s very interesting because they are debating the merits of the schedule 6 offence ( the difference between murder and a lesser charge) it’s like a movie trailer for the actual trial.
19 Feb 2013, 11:08 am
@gunther-183:
The State said, that even if it was a burglar, firing 4 shots through the door and killing them would be premeditated murder.
19 Feb 2013, 11:09 am
The little `@@”> is here.
19 Feb 2013, 11:10 am
@Hammer-22: And you speak with the authority of someone who interacted professionally with him for 15 years. Please feel obliged to write a piece giving me another perspective.
19 Feb 2013, 11:11 am
@gunther-189:
Not a lesser charge
Schedule 6 premeditated murder, almost impossible to get bail
Schedule 5 murder, very difficult to get bail
The charge will still be murder
19 Feb 2013, 11:11 am
@David-190:
Indeed.
That’s the premeditation bit.
19 Feb 2013, 11:12 am
mark keohane believes he knows it all and has a magical influence over rugby. he’s pure entertainment really, he’s a numbnut and a complete truman. what a pillik!
19 Feb 2013, 11:15 am
Tony Johnsons’ piece on Luyt
As for Louis Luyt, well at the peak of his powers Louis was a somewhat villainous figure in the eyes of New Zealanders, as he was, at times I’m sure, to many South Africans.
He was seen as a power broker behind the Cavaliers tour that caused so much division in the NZ game, and after rising to the top of South African Rugby, and playing such a role in making the 1995 RWC tournament such a historic success, Louis put noses out of joint with some less than diplomatic comments at the post-tournament dinner following South Africa’s epic win over the All Blacks.
Roll forward to Cape Town 2001 when I made two significant purchases. One was a bracelet for my new girlfriend…now my wife, the other was a copy of the “unauthorised” Max du Preez biography of Louis Luyt, which I found so utterly fascinating that I read it cover to cover on the flight home.
I discussed the book on my sports spot on the Newstalk radio show with the country’s leading broadcaster, Paul Holmes, who had met and was also fascinated by Louis. Our conversations sparked such interest in the book that a shipment of copies had to be imported into New Zealand.
Armed with information from the book, I set up an interview with Dr Luyt two years later in Durban. I told Holmes (who co-incidentally also died last week) I was going to ask all the tough questions he had failed to ask when he’d interviewed him, on account of him being “seduced” by the charms of his host!
Easier said than done. We arrived at the Luyt home near Durban and were met with such effusive hospitality that I found it nigh impossible to take a hard-line approach. I tried, but he was a master of talking around a curly question without really answering it, and seemed genuinely aggrieved by the suggestion that he was, as so many had claimed, a bully.
Our crew eventually left, having done our interview, cleaned up the platter of delicious sandwiches, drunk fine coffee, politely declined the offer of a beer, chatted to Louis and his lovely wife Adri, and admired his beautiful home. It was a very enjoyable experience and while the hour-long interview was well received back home, I knew that I had been denied the really hard-hitting feature I had gone looking for because I too had found it hard to get past the charming side of Louis Luyt.
Dr Luyt was not perfect. He made plenty of enemies, often with people he’d been close to, and he brought a lot of criticism on himself, but there is also something to admire about what he was able to achieve, especially from such humble beginnings. His role in seeing off the rebel World Rugby Corporation (WRC) should never be understated….it was he who made the most significant move when he made the Springboks an offer they couldn’t refuse, breaking the back of the player-led revolution.
I am just glad that I was able to meet with him, and see the “other” side of him, to be able to put some balance into my perceptions of the man when much of what we had read and heard about him from afar was the controversial stuff.
19 Feb 2013, 11:15 am
@The Rangerman-45: I speak fluent Afrikaans, I went to an Afrikaans junior school, I love the Afrikaans language and enjoy Afrikaaners, just like there are English speaking liberal racist colonial types I detest there are conservative racist Afrikaans speaking types I detest. Given the history associated with Afrikaners and apartheid and the story is written for an international audience there has to be qualification that not every Afrikaner is conservative and racist and supported Apartheid, just like not every English speaking South African is enlightened and was anti apartheid. Far from it.
Luyt, within the Afrikaans community, sought the approval of the Broederbond, which was mostly made up of an elite group with very influential professional standings and also very well educated. It was a class thing. He was from poverty and worked as a railway clerk and no amount of money would ever give him acceptance. It is the acceptance he always wanted. That is the point I am stressing. I am not insulting anyone who comes from less privileged circumstance but highlighting how this wasn’t about colour or language but about perceived class or lack of it.
19 Feb 2013, 11:16 am
@nortierd-186: A commission into graft and nepotism in SA rugby was probably long overdue. In fact we could use one now.
19 Feb 2013, 11:16 am
@David-190:
Defence claims in that case all murders would be premeditated
19 Feb 2013, 11:16 am
@Te Rangatira-168:
Unfortunately we’ve hit a speed bump all the bad press re contaminated product ( another one today in China about batches of NZ milk powder being destroyed by Chinese customs) is farking the market, the Kiwi guy who I was buying off was doubling his turn over ever week in the city of Chengdu tells me sales stopped overnight once the original story broke, a big mess being down played by Fonterra.
19 Feb 2013, 11:16 am
@gunther-194:
That’s the whole point, isn’t it? He may or may not have intended killing his girlfriend, but he certainly intended killing someone. The girlfriend part is just a distraction.
19 Feb 2013, 11:17 am
@RL-10: Black suit yes but have never felt the need for platforms. Please insult me, but not my appreciation for quality shoes.
19 Feb 2013, 11:17 am
@keo-192: when are we going to see the back of Hoskins, he has being in power for about 8 years now – and unlike the tyrant Luyt he is still causing damage.
Please write a piece on the sad Hoskins years.
19 Feb 2013, 11:20 am
@nortierd-193:
Surely 5 is a lesser charge than 6?
And the chances of bail are greater even if only slightly?
Doesn’t the legal definition of murder imply premeditation?
19 Feb 2013, 11:20 am
@RL-18: I have written several pieces on Hoskins being a coward, a follower of what serves his best interest and an absolute disgrace to the ideals of transformation. Google the articles I have written about Hoskins. He has done the game a disservice, especially the drive for a transformed game in South Africa. He has been a disaster in his two terms but he does not have the ego or insecurity of a Luyt ito personality and is happy to accept the hand outs that come with being on the IRB and president of SARU and does not want to be the larger than life individual determining the hand outs.
Luyt was about confrontation and Hoskins is about convenience.
19 Feb 2013, 11:21 am
What an absolutely cowardly attack on someone who cant even defend himself?
I agree 100% with UFOs post above in this regard.
19 Feb 2013, 11:22 am
@David-201:
I don’t know we will see what the judge says.
The defense will argue otherwise I’m sure.
19 Feb 2013, 11:22 am
The State’s case: The couple had a massive row.Steenkamp was scared,went to the bathroom and locked herself in.Pistorius,calmly ,attached his legs,walked to the bathroom,and fired through the door.The bathroom was cramped and small ,so Steenkamp had nowhere to go basically.That’s the basis for their premeditated murder charge. This was reported by the Sky News reporter at court.
19 Feb 2013, 11:23 am
@keo-110:
lol
19 Feb 2013, 11:24 am
@Jeez-84: I actually think it is particularly well written but I do accept that if you live in a world of twitter sentences and stories of 140 characters any sentence may read like a paragraph. You’d be lost reading some of the English broadsheets but the more you read them the easier it gets. That is if you want to challenge yourself. But thank you for the feedback and the critique of the writing. I am however satisfied that in this particular instance the writing is of the necessary quality, which is not to be confused with a view on the subject and content matter.
19 Feb 2013, 11:25 am
@gunther-204: Difference between intent and pre-meditation.
Murder….intent to kill must be proved.
The scheduling 5/6 is for purposes of bail and punishment. (The premeditation label adds to the severity in terms of minimal sentences, bail etc etc)
I think?
Murder is Murder….if the intent was there: (whether planned or not…) Premeditation, Schedule 6, just takes it to a whole new level of ***** and evil actions…..
His ‘D’ will be desperate for a Schedule 5 re-classification. Can’t see it happening. Nel keeping his cards close.
19 Feb 2013, 11:25 am
@NZINCHINA-23: and accepted the holiday house (lol)
19 Feb 2013, 11:26 am
@keo-205:
Hoskins has never managed to impose himself, as the President of SARU, on the provincial presidents. He once referred to them, a few years back, as “that motley bunch”, when I asked him about their commitment to transformation.
19 Feb 2013, 11:26 am
@keo-197: Sound an awful lot like Skop there…
Where is he ? I reckon Keo is Skop ,an alter ego who is a pure troll that serves to drum up controversy to get more hits on the site .Probably the same with Heavens Game and many of the other Kiwis dickheads that post here.
KEO IS SKOP imho
19 Feb 2013, 11:27 am
@west indies cricket board-20: You will be back but enjoy SARugbymag … great site and the one I go to for all my rugby news.
19 Feb 2013, 11:27 am
@stormer in a teacup-198:
Too true
19 Feb 2013, 11:28 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-211: And to add, Murder is the unlawful AND intentional killing of another person blah blah…
Intent might be there (me shooting a person who is attacking me with a knife)
BUT: the unlawful bit can’t be proved, as I was acting in self defence, which means the ‘killing’, whilst intended, was not unlawful.
19 Feb 2013, 11:32 am
So there we have it – Hoskins is a coward. A corrupt pimp who sold SA Rugby down the river for a few shekels. He who sold out to s14 and he who sold out to s15 competitions in favour of convicts should be flogged in the street for his crimes (while he is alive of course) and nasty opinion pieces directed at this coward from today onwards.
Let the Hoskin bashing begin.
19 Feb 2013, 11:32 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-211:
that’s surely the difference beteween murder and manslaughter?
Sure its for the purposes of bail.
But will also be the focus of the trial.
Gives an interesting insight into what the trail will be about.
19 Feb 2013, 11:32 am
To be fair…………………………………..there was a stunning resemblance to Benito Mussolini.
19 Feb 2013, 11:34 am
@rvanaardt-34: You misinterpret and conveniently distort. Our rugby should be about hope and not hatred and about forgiveness. This is my view on Luyt the rugby administrator. There is no hatred in it but how I observed him as a rugby administrator and an insight, which is my insight, which doesn’t make it right or wrong but it is an insight.
Why not challenge my insight with one of your own. Instead your blood boils over at what I had to say because that way it is easier not to challenge what you may think of Luyt.
How do we grow and adapt and learn if we are not prepared to challenge our own thinking. I have posted my view and welcome any other to challenge what I wrote about, which was Luyt’s rugby administration. What is the legacy? What was his modus operandi? What did people who served with him really think?
He ruled by fear and much of what I have said was spoken and written when he was forced to eventually resign. This is not an attack on him but my observation, conveyed in published articles when he was alive and conveyed now again on reflection of his death.
19 Feb 2013, 11:34 am
@cane-220:
Just with more hair.
And veldskoen.
19 Feb 2013, 11:35 am
@Mr Black-31: How can an opinion be disgusting?
19 Feb 2013, 11:36 am
@Slartibartfast-24: And you matriculated?
19 Feb 2013, 11:38 am
@keo-223: like this :YOU ARE SKOP in my opinion
19 Feb 2013, 11:38 am
@gunther-26: Originality is to be applauded but cliche and repetition says more about your personality than it could ever about my height. The nice thing about a brain is it is not measured by feet but by our own desire to grow it as big as we want.
19 Feb 2013, 11:39 am
@keo-223:
19 Feb 2013, 11:40 am
@Tacitus-30: Please challenge the opinion with a 2000 word own of yours as to why Luyt was good for the game, what he achieved and what he did and I will post it with the greatest of pleasure. Keo@keo.co.za
19 Feb 2013, 11:41 am
@keo-228: You missed #28.
19 Feb 2013, 11:42 am
@gunther-219: It’s all going to be about intent and unlawfullness….
I don’t think negligence is going to accompany anything Gerrie Nel alleges. had he been cleaning his gun and a shot fired off, happened to shoot through the bathroom door – negligence.
If the State are already talking about motives… a fight before with ‘shouting’ etc etc. Mr P’s ***** has already been blown out of the water.
This is OJ Simpson X 50000000.
(and Reggie Perumal, Oscar’s independent forensic expert…..well, he’s been used by more than 1 ‘accidental/self defence wife killer in the past….that KZN police officer for starters, but the courts ‘that will be a noooooooo’d his evidence in that trial)
Might be cheap, but for those who enjoy forensics, investigation and the sort, this is a big event.
19 Feb 2013, 11:42 am
@Taahirah-36: I have never been off the map
19 Feb 2013, 11:44 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-230: Anyways, I think Oscar is going to have a ‘breakdown’ long before any trial takes place. Hospitalised he will be…..
Betya.
19 Feb 2013, 11:44 am
Bunch of sanctimony fueled morons parading their highfaluting self righteous indignation.
Some these poor self righteous fools seriously take themselves seriously storming out of here in a huff of self righteous indignation.
Yeah who needs self righteousness when it’s challenged it chickens out and ducks.
19 Feb 2013, 11:45 am
@Karma-zaf-38: You are entitled to your view and opinion but I’d appreciate your view on the article content as that may challenge my view. Look forward to reading your view on Luyt the rugby administrator. Send it to me please keo@keo.co.za
19 Feb 2013, 11:46 am
@keo-197:Keo, In the article you’ve mentioned it twice that he was a railway clerk, which he was. He grew up in a modest home and did a lot of manual labour while still at school. Yet no mention is made of his successes in business (I guess you’ll say this is a rugby site…which it is.)
I agree that he was a dictator with no HR skills and caused embarrassment for a lot of us. One question though:
If he had done nothing for rugby in SA, what would you call the 370 million pound deal with Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp in 1995 (between SA, NZ and Aus) ? This lasted a decade during which time SA reaped the rewards of a devaluating Rand currency. When the deal had to be extended 10 years later, our ANZAC brothers walked all over us. Luyt would not have allowed that to happen.
You are free to air your views and many of them are true but give the devil his due as well!!
By the way I’m glad you separated his private life from his “rugby life” because he has left behind a wonderful wife in Adri.
19 Feb 2013, 11:46 am
@wpallday-225: The good thing is you have an opinion. Hopefully you allow this opinion to be challenged by a counter opinion and that way allow for an evolution of opinion.
19 Feb 2013, 11:47 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-230: all he had to do was foresee that he could hit someone and they could be killed and that’s the murder charge right there.
Irrelevant if it was his girlfriend. Why would you take the step of shooting at someone locked in the *******? Not like you or your stuff is under immediate threat now is it? Simply dial the guards/cops with a “I’ve got some unknown mofo locked in the ******* – got the door covered with the 9mm. Get your asses over here pronto”.
Somehere one would also think he may have thought where his GF was?
19 Feb 2013, 11:48 am
Paramedics have arrived!
Could Oscar be down?
Could this be part of a ploy to secure bail a la Schabir-Selebi?
I smell Booth
19 Feb 2013, 11:49 am
@Stawm-206: Does somebody being dead preclude people publishing an opinion about them? We publish positive as well as negative articles about people when both alive and dead. There are plenty of examples out there. Should people not be condemnatory of Jimmy Saville because he is dead and unable to defend himself? I don’t think this article is cowardly.
19 Feb 2013, 11:49 am
Keo. The point is still: Give us examples of your claims. It is not that we don’t believe you, but perhaps it is time for someone with inside information to tell us what happened. Everybody knows Luyt was power hungry, because that is what we’ve been told, but tell us what he did! It seems people abroad knows more about his true legacy than us.
I said in the previous post it SEEMS like it is similar to the disagreement between you and Jake, because you didn’t give us anything with substance. Your article seems like you simply had a personal disagreement with Luyt. I’m asking you to be the outspoken journalist you attempt to be and give us the facts. Remember, we don’t have the inside knowledge that you have.
19 Feb 2013, 11:50 am
@keo-205: The article is quite damning and i am a little uncomfortable with the style, but I must say that I cannot disagree with the sentiment.
Luyt ran it like his own personal fiefdom, trampling any underfoot who stood in his way.
History is littered with individuals like him who through force of will achieved much, often at much cost to those around him. Captains of industry, political leaders, in this case Luyt all have that intense drive to succeed beyond consequence. In some cases they achieve much and are lauded for that, but they are very seldom balanced people who have the love and respect of all around them.
19 Feb 2013, 11:51 am
@keo-226:
Are you saying you have a big brain for your size?
Next thing you are going to tell me you are hung like a german sausage factory.
19 Feb 2013, 11:52 am
@CharlesM-235: I am challenging the fact that what would a Rebel breakaway have produced in a broadcasting deal at the same time. We don’t know but it may have made the deal done look small; it may have reinforced your view of how good it was.
The point is the assumption is to just say he saved our rugby but he saved a situation that entrenched his position. What was his business success at the LIons as a rugby union? What was their financial turnover? He paid players in an amateur era, owned them because of payments and ruled like a dictator. What legacy did he create in business and rugby administration? What was his succession plan? When he left the supposed empire there was no empire. That is not good business and that is not the makings of a good business man? I look forward to you giving me a reason to believe he was good for SA Rugby and that his methods were acceptable and that the end matched the means. Please enlighten me.
19 Feb 2013, 11:52 am
@gunther-238:
Paramedics are for a switch board operator.
Things are heating up.
19 Feb 2013, 11:52 am
@skopdiekan-233: Sorry my eyes appear to be failing me. Did you just accuse people of taking themselves seriously? I’ll have to check that Mayan calendar again.
19 Feb 2013, 11:54 am
@CharlesM-235: s14 and s15 rugby is worth less $ than the original s12 deal – blame Hoskins and kort broek Marinos.
19 Feb 2013, 11:54 am
@stormer in a teacup-245:
19 Feb 2013, 11:55 am
@CharlesM-235: True. The no gonad brigade currently “looking after” SA rugby interests are singing munchkins compared to LL in this regard.
19 Feb 2013, 11:56 am
@Dilligafrican-237: Unlawful and intentional – that is what you are describing. Murder. Both have to be proved for it to be murder – the unlawfullness of the act PLUS the intent to end a life.
He’s stuffed already with the intent (tick box) – regardless of who it was he ‘thought’ he was shooting at. 1.4m x 1.4m toilet room…. You shoot through that door, you’re going to kill….
Now it’s about the unlawfullness of the act mentioned above. What knocks the unlawfullness of his act out? Temporary insanity, self defence, drunk/hammered…..
His story stinks. To high heaven. And as said on day 1, his only saving grace might be a shyteload of roids/alcohol/coke in his blood…… Because this ain’t going away with the story he is spinning (unless paranoid as hell and unaware of sorroundings, but that would ALSO be due to narcotics…)
He’s toasted unless the cops have screwed up forensics, and the chain of evidence etc.
19 Feb 2013, 11:57 am
@RL-203: thank me later
Hoskins has failed the game
8 Aug 2011
MARK KEOHANE , in his weekly Business
Day column, says Saru president Oregan
Hoskins is to blame for the lack of
transformation in South African rugby.
Let’s hope the Springboks’ World Cup
defence has a bit more substance than
Oregan Hoskins’ defense of the lack of
transformation within South African rugby.
Hoskins’ defence, in the six years he has
been the president, has been to write a few
letters to the 14 provincial presidents and
urge them to commit more to transforming
the game.
It’s not good enough Mr Hoskins. It never
was and it never will be and you need to be
held accountable for how you have failed
the game.
In 2007 when Springbok coach Jake White
named seven players of colour in his World
Cup squad of 30 Hoskins told the media it
was unacceptable and that it would never
again happen in Springbok rugby.
In an
interview with Rapport newspaper,
published on Sunday, Hoskins said he was
comfortable with six players of colour in a
Tri-Nations squad of 24.
White had two players of colour in his
preferred World Cup starting XV. In 2011,
Springbok coach Peter De Villiers will have
three, a Zimbabwean-born black prop and
the same two coloured wingers White
invested in four years ago.
When the Boks play Wales in New Zealand
in their World Cup opener on 11
September, little would have changed in
four years. Zimbabwean born-and-raised
prop Beast Mtawarira (for retired Bok
legend Os du Randt) is the sum total of the
Boks’ transformation since the 2007 World
Cup.
If Hoskins was the leader he said he would
be he would have changed the situation or
he would have resigned. Clearly he is not a
leader, let alone the leader.
Nothing will come of the situation because,
as with every Bok World Cup squad
announcement, the winning is deemed far
more important than an irritation like
transformation.
Black and coloured administrators have
been consistent in showing themselves to
be yellow-bellies when it comes to
transformation and even more culpable
than the white apartheid-type dinosaurs
that remain as large a presence as ever in
South African rugby administration.
The white dinosaurs believe they are
safeguarding their past. The black and
coloureds are simply failing their past.
Hoskins escapes media scrutiny because he
isn’t confrontational and bullish. What he
is, is a president comfortable to do as he is
told to do by those who elected him.
Hoskins, a fortnight before the selection of
the Boks’ 2011 World Cup squad, has again
publicly denounced the lack of
transformation in the South African game.
But as the leader he hasn’t offered a
solution; just like he didn’t in 2007.
He is
unhappy with transformation but very
happy he has done his bit through writing a
letter to 14 provincial presidents on the
subject every four years.
Transformation is not a short- or long-term
project. It is a way of life, but to
understand that rugby’s administrators
have to live it. They don’t, especially the
black and coloured ones who, once elected,
are only interested in their first-class travel
and not the painful crawl of the pace of
transformation.
Hoskins must be made to feel the pressure
through constant media reminders of how
he has failed himself and the game he
purports to love so much.
The Portfolio
Committee can’t summons rugby’s spineless
leaders to Parliament enough to make them
explain, if only to be an irritant, but don’t
believe for a minute it will have any
meaningful impact. Those who make up the
Portfolio Committee are as spineless as
those they summons in providing action
that is true to living transformation and not
just talking about the need for it.
The Springboks, with the exception of
Schalk Burger and Juan Smith, will be at full-
strength against Australia in Durban this
weekend after the miracle recovery from
injury during a two week training camp in
Rustenburg. This match, more than the New
Zealand Test a week later, will provide
realism about the Boks’ World Cup defence.
New Zealand will rest as many as seven
first-choice players against the Boks in Port
Elizabeth, but Australia will play their best.
The Durban Test will be the only time South
Africa’s best plays the best of Australia or
New Zealand before the World Cup. It is the
relevant Bok Test in the next fortnight
because there is a big difference in the All
Blacks side that played the Wallabies in
Auckland and the one that whipped a South
African XV in Wellington.
The pressure is on the Boks in the next
fortnight. De Villiers has had no pressure on
getting a winning result when playing
weakened sides away from home. The
demand has to be that the Boks win in
Durban and Port Elizabeth – and win well.
But, like with the transformation demand
on Hoskins, don’t expect it to be met with
delivery.
19 Feb 2013, 11:58 am
@victoriabok-49: If the shoe fits wear it … if you are the type of Afrikaner the world detests then leave. If you are the type of Afrikaner that inspires and is embraced then hopefully you stay to inspire. Equally for the English speaking tosser who is racist and robust in his belief that he is superior to anything and everything. He can leave immediately. For the one who is challenging of his own view and challenges mine … now that kind of visitor can stay.
19 Feb 2013, 11:58 am
@stormersboy-241:
It is known (as I am sure you know) that a number of corporations specifically employ psychopaths in positions of power or leadership roles for specific leadership skills all psychopaths show.
There are 8 main characteristics of these ‘corporate’ or business psychopaths and if we weight them up against someone like Luyt, he ticks quite a number of these boxes I believe
Glibness/superficial charm
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Pathological lying
Cunning/manipulative
Lack of remorse or guilt
Emotionally shallow
Callous/lack of empathy
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
What is interesting is how some of these individuals can separate these traits in their business life, and personal life – making them solid family men or women with good morals and values.
19 Feb 2013, 11:59 am
@gunther-238: ????? Honestly?????
19 Feb 2013, 11:59 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-249: I expect that there would be major pressure on SAPS to get this one right.
i was taking a walk up Lions head this morning (don’t ask) with a bunch of mates and they all agreed that they were captivated by this story. It seems to have latched on to the psyche of South Africans like i haven’t seen before. World wide even.
19 Feb 2013, 12:00 pm
@The Rangerman-51: Can you please articulate in a written piece that I will publish as to the detail of all the good he did in rugby. Keo@keo.co.za
19 Feb 2013, 12:00 pm
@PissAnt-252: Brilliant. Same for sportsmen……
Some can split the facets, some are unable.
19 Feb 2013, 12:02 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-256:
Lance Armstrong a perfect case study.
Ruthless, lying, manipulative in the sports world, but also established one of the biggest non-profit organisations fighting cancer.
19 Feb 2013, 12:03 pm
@keo-251: He is not called Victoria because of his crossdressing tendencies. He is a shining beacon in Victoria Canada.
19 Feb 2013, 12:03 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-249: self defence? not on your nelly – got someone trapped in the sh.itte.r you don’t need no defending.
Booze/drugs – sorry, but they are aggravating circumstances.
Why would she feel the need to lock herself in there in the 1st place? This is the question that needs answering but we’ll only ever hear a conjecture on that. Sure as hell he ain’t gonna jump up like a dunce and admit his liability.
He’s admitted shooting her so intent is pretty much all that’s left on the table.
19 Feb 2013, 12:04 pm
@PissAnt-252: that devil Jurie Roux ticks all of those boxes.
19 Feb 2013, 12:04 pm
@keo-251: Embraced? Leave that moffie kak in CT please
19 Feb 2013, 12:08 pm
@PissAnt-252: Of the four styles of leadership Luyt would qualify as dictatorial. In this instance the leader makes all the important decisions. These are usually task centred. Staffs are expected to implement them. It allows no room to question these decisions. Rules through force and fear. This style can be very effective in a crisis or when leadership is lacking in others. It is destructive in other contexts though.
19 Feb 2013, 12:08 pm
@keo-212:
Ha wouldn’t surprise me with all the stuff in the papers re fixed football/ cricket matches etc what a shambles
19 Feb 2013, 12:08 pm
@WhatIf-60: Thank you for having the insight and appreciation to get exactly what the article is about and the motivation in challenging the myth. Every single comment here has attacked me as a person and my character based on my view of Luyt, but those doing the attacking never worked with him or interacted with him on a professional basis. But they have an entrenched view of how good a rugby administrator he was? Based on what?
19 Feb 2013, 12:08 pm
@RL-260:
Haha – could well be but I have seen more positive changes in SA Rugby since he joined a couple of years ago than in the last 10 years.
19 Feb 2013, 12:08 pm
@Dilligafrican-259: We know it’s bullshyte. But this is what his advocate has to do, if he wants to throw in any form of defence.
He has to get the unlawfullness out of what Oscar has not denied doing (killing) the equation……How he does this is where it gets interesting.
@PissAnt-257: Indeed. Many of Nike’s athletes as we chatted about last night. Woods, Armstrong and co.
19 Feb 2013, 12:10 pm
On a side note it appears Mr Bean has been elected president of Armenia.
19 Feb 2013, 12:11 pm
Are you still here piepie joller in a tea cup or you also walking out in a huge huff of Huffington proportions of indignation and self opinionated righteousness like some the poor hard done by indignant righteous idiots taking themselves as seriously as morons such as you do?
19 Feb 2013, 12:12 pm
@PissAnt-252: We call them sociopaths
Yes. In my corporate career in Banking I have met and dealt with many of them (captains of industry). They share many similar characteristics, but the one most obvious one is a determination to achieve whatever they are wanting to at the time, often regardless of consequence. They are extremely open about their self interest and this is often what sets them apart from the average. They don’t care that people may judge them for their ambition, many repress that out of fear of condemnation.
They key is to understand the motives that drive them, and how to tap into that.
In short, my strategy was to change my mindset when considering what type of business I was in. Not the money business, but the ego and expectation business. Once i figured that out the clients used to love me. Still do to this day. (I send them birthday wishes in spite of not being in the business anymore, and know that if I need to call them about something they will take my call).
19 Feb 2013, 12:12 pm
This is hardly revolutionary news – the title pretty much sums it up – but funny how time marches on and how insignificant it all becomes.
19 Feb 2013, 12:12 pm
@Dilligafrican-259: He is not going to be able to shake himself of the ‘intent’ – and Barry Roux shouldn’t even waste time there… He intended to kill who was behind that door – the end.
A room 1.4 x 1.4, a locked door and a person behind….3 shots through that door – thats intent to kill…..not negligence. Any murder is either or: intentional or negligent.
He’s going to pull one of the negate unlawfullness aspect tricks.
19 Feb 2013, 12:13 pm
What’s also interesting about Oscars actions, if he’s claiming he suspected burglars, is that he never called to find out if Reeva was safe, when she wasn’t in bed, before opening fire. That would be the first thing anyone would do.
19 Feb 2013, 12:17 pm
@skopdiekan-268: That’s the way Petal. Don’t take yourself seriously. A cup of dandelion tea, a tofu sandwich and a wee lie down will have right as ninepence in a jiffy.
19 Feb 2013, 12:17 pm
@David-272: or maybe he thought the Cupid thing with bow and arrows was a bit outdated and went 21st century on it.
19 Feb 2013, 12:19 pm
So Keo condemns Luyt’s lack of inclusiveness,
his HR skills,
and almost EVERTHING else about the man, that can be said in 3000 words or less.
All justified by the phrase…………………………….”It’s good to have an opinion, voice yours”.
Anyone else see the irony?
19 Feb 2013, 12:19 pm
@PissAnt-252:
Hasnt Paddy Upton come out with a book that outlines this very subject?
19 Feb 2013, 12:20 pm
@stormer in a teacup-262:
Dictators are fascinating. In history most dictators were actually elected through some democratic system, or the manipulation of a democratic system.
So they have a sense of charm, definite sense of self-worth, little to no remorse or empathy, are extremely manipulative and even when the **** hits the fan, still believed that their way was the right way so never accepting responsibility for failures.
That is about all those boxes ticked.
19 Feb 2013, 12:20 pm
@stormer in a teacup-273: and don’t forget one teaspoon of tik
19 Feb 2013, 12:20 pm
“Every single comment here has attacked me as a person and my character based on my view of Luyt” – I did nothing of the kind !!!
19 Feb 2013, 12:20 pm
Those believing me to be anti Afrikaans, consider this: I speak fluent Afrikaans, love the language, went to an Afrikaans junior school in which I was the only English speaking in the sports teams, spent four years post school in the Police, was among the youngest Detective Warrant Officers in the country at 19 and played for Police under 21 rugby … again the only English speaking in the squad. I grew up in Durbanville, the Northern Suburbs of the Cape, the son of a Dad from Doncaster in the North of England and a New Zealand Mom whose Dad was Maori and Mom was European. I consider myself blessed and privileged for all the experiences and cultural influence. I married into a home where the father is German and the mother Afrikaans. The Ouma to my kids is Afrikaans and there is a huge emphasis on them speaking both languages fluently. If you want to take a pot at me do so but take an informed one.
I criticised Luyt’s rugby administration because of how he operated; not based on the fact that he was Afrikaans. Hoskins is English-speaking and he has failed the game as much as Luyt did as president, but Hoskins does not have the malice, vanity and insecurity that came packaged with Luyt’s dictatorship.
I would also challenge those who are challenging me about the class distinction within the Afrikaans community; of how the very affluent and influential and educated Afrikaans community view and viewed Afrikaans speaking communities from the Railways, who lacked educated (for whatever reason). Luyt came from one side of the tracks and wanted the world the other offered. His fighting qualities are endorsed and emphasised but he fought for his own acceptance into a world and used rugby to get that but was never given it. He was misguided in taking Mandela to court because it represented to him the fight for the white Afrikaner’s voice, but the white Afrikaner who fought and embraced change was disgusted that this man believed he spoke on their behalf. That is the essence of the piece.
19 Feb 2013, 12:20 pm
@stormersboy-269:
What business are you in now?
19 Feb 2013, 12:20 pm
Arseholes that think they’re such upstanding morally objective beacons of righteousness that the majority of schmucks who actually think their righteous indignation means anything worthwhile to anyone at all.
Big f’ng hoo ha about f’all and they still want to parade about how hurt their poor indignation feels while they huff the fck outa here.
19 Feb 2013, 12:21 pm
@stormersboy-269:
That is why industry specifically employ them, they are ruthless. But they also often self-destruct.
19 Feb 2013, 12:22 pm
@John Galt-276:
No book yet, but since he is in that industry (sport) his take will be fascinating.
19 Feb 2013, 12:23 pm
It seems Nair is asking Nel why there is no certificate from the Director of the NPA re: scheduling of the charge……
1st Statefuckup possibly? Irritated that he is being asked to decide on scheduling….
19 Feb 2013, 12:24 pm
@John Galt-276:
Another guy you can tap into on this subject is Tom Dawson-Squibb, he is part of Headstart sport.
19 Feb 2013, 12:24 pm
@David-272:
The blood stained cricket bat , (if it exists), kind of rules out the burglary thing.
Things look bad for Oscar.
For his own sake, and all others suffering from this tragedy……………………………………………he should just tell the truth.
19 Feb 2013, 12:24 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-271: @David-272:
Perhaps the events unfolding as follows:
R goes to bathroom. While there an sms comes in. The cellphone either vibrates or makes the noise for incoming sms. O hears this and given the time of the day, reaches over to see who it is from.
Upon reading the sms, he loses it. Upon her returning to the room he says: what is this? Pointing to the phone and fires 1st shot. Her survival instinct kicks in and run to the toilet, probably thinking that he will calm down.
But he now follows her there, and given the size of the room knows that a few shots will get her. A further 3 or 4 shots were fired. I would think at different angles.
So the trigger was anger. We know that he had anger management issues which at its root is fear. Fear of being betrayed, fear of being ridiculed and so on. The fear when fermented became anger.
19 Feb 2013, 12:25 pm
@keo-280: so when can we expect your 1st piece of writing in the moedertaal? (you can add the english version below for our international vermin..sorry friends..
19 Feb 2013, 12:26 pm
Is not the psychopath one of god’s creatures too? Afterall what did the saviour say about turning the other cheekie?
19 Feb 2013, 12:26 pm
@cane-287:
Its interesting nobody istalking about the cricket bat.
@Sheriff-288:
Agreed her phone records might hold the key.
19 Feb 2013, 12:28 pm
Schedule 6.
Boom!
Just got real.
Oscar better get a Mr Delivery menu.
19 Feb 2013, 12:28 pm
Nair rules a Schedule 6 case…………..
Bail almost impossible?
19 Feb 2013, 12:28 pm
280 ja keo and u forgot to mention you are a great bulls fan.
19 Feb 2013, 12:28 pm
Schedule six called by nair
19 Feb 2013, 12:29 pm
@cab-294:
Everyone is entitled to one vice or bad judgement call.
We will let that one slide
19 Feb 2013, 12:29 pm
You still here pisswilly fckface thinking your highfalutin opinionated idiocy representing reason or you f ‘ng off with the rest of the poor hurt souls whose self righteous indignation is so sorely tested for moral values?
F ‘ng d ‘ckhead and this little piepie joller punky boy up your f ‘all in a tea cup backside
19 Feb 2013, 12:30 pm
@cane-275: cane I say anything about anyone and hide behind the opinion shield – no facts no context needed ……
That’s is just my opinion though.
19 Feb 2013, 12:31 pm
If there was a bat it would have been mentioned this morning imo.
19 Feb 2013, 12:31 pm
While we are all entitled to our opinions I feel that this article is a cheap shot at a man who did what he believed was the best for SA Rugby (and himself of course!) and is no longer here to defend himself against this trashy, shoddy and unprofessional piece of journalism.
I wait with baited breath to see if Keohane has the balls and decency to answer the now-departed UFO’s very valid points and criticism (in particular #28 but more sadly #66 where he announced his departure from this CTCC).
Go well UFO, I enjoyed your posts tremendously and take you to be an honest and truthful man.
Mark, your website advertises “Daily rugby news from SA and the rest of the world,” yet you chose to wait 18 days before you even acknowledged a (like-him-or-not) great yet controversial rugby administrator’s passing, and I would like to know the reasons why, please.
P.S.. CTCC = CuntToCuntChatline
19 Feb 2013, 12:31 pm
Schedule 6 – Oscar se kak is geboek
19 Feb 2013, 12:34 pm
Lousy Louis is gevrek so wtf the huge uproar In condescending kaleidoscopic calamity about pretty much f ‘all
19 Feb 2013, 12:34 pm
@David-281: I have a Management Consulting business, including Financial Consulting.
Plus the odd venture here and there.
19 Feb 2013, 12:34 pm
@Mr Black-295: he can still downgrade it to 5, after hearing the defence’s evidence.
19 Feb 2013, 12:34 pm
Lets see what “exceptional circumstances” they come up with.
I suppose being famous and legless may be?
19 Feb 2013, 12:34 pm
@RL-246: @stormer in a teacup-248: Exactly but apparently this meant nothing to SA rugby.
I’m not disputing the fact that he didn’t have good people skills but we can’t ignore the deal (especially the value thereof) that was brokered.
I’ll repeat what I’ve said: “When the deal had to be extended 10 years later, our ANZAC brothers walked all over us. Luyt would not have allowed that to happen.” Nobody can dispute that !!
19 Feb 2013, 12:37 pm
296 correct nortierd this site needs more moral self-righteousness , not less , lets hear it from the vegetarians – more Christian values I say . Viva umputuwena u bullshit. Hyprocricy personified — bunch of fkwits.
19 Feb 2013, 12:37 pm
k@k article , Never liked the man much myself but I did respect him. To be sucessful one have to be ruthless. Nice guys dont win champions. Do you think Fergie is a nice guy that allows himself to be bulied.
Written in poor taste seeing that the man just passed away. Bad attempt to try get hits and try and stay on top of the ratings. Personally I feel it will backfire and more and more peeps will leave as they discover RL and SArugby mag !
19 Feb 2013, 12:38 pm
@Dilligafrican-305: Have no doubt the disability is going to be a huge factor throughout.
From his safety in regular prison, to how his disability effects his paranoia in terms of intruders and ‘being able to run away’.
This is going to be a riveting trial. And I say again – it might seem cheap, but if this is ones interest or field – it’s riveting.
19 Feb 2013, 12:38 pm
@cane-287: Ok so let’s assume he is guilty for a sec, it will go even worse for him if he continues to deny it, but I think given the narcissistic sociopathic tendencies of some of these guys, they can’t actually accept/process that they a) have been caught b) have to answer to others and c) will be punished for their actions.
19 Feb 2013, 12:39 pm
@skopdiekan-297: Have another activated almond cupcake. I think you may be hypoglycemic. You keep asking me if I’m still herd and I keep answering you. This is like Marco Polo on tik.
P.S. Piepie? Really?
19 Feb 2013, 12:40 pm
@gunther-291: Was there definitely a bat, or is is still conjecture?
19 Feb 2013, 12:40 pm
@keo-280: Where did you go to high school?
19 Feb 2013, 12:41 pm
@stormersboy-303:
Geldsmous.
19 Feb 2013, 12:42 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-309: Don;t see why it should be a factor personally, h guys was stronger/more athletic/more ‘able-bodied’ than 80% of the population. If they go down that route their case must be seriously weak
19 Feb 2013, 12:42 pm
@gunther-242: No I am saying that I am inspired by wanting to grow my brain every day, through reading, learning, talking, watching, observing, listening and challenging what I know and hoping to learn new things.
The use of words like big are so restrictive because who determines what is big?
I prefer the term ‘growing’ in relation to my brain capacity, which then influences my growth as a person and hopefully allows for more maturity, more reflection and greater introspection. It’s a wonderfully exciting space to be in.
19 Feb 2013, 12:42 pm
@Atreides-315: h guys = the guy
19 Feb 2013, 12:43 pm
@Atreides-312:
It’s not been mentioned today.
19 Feb 2013, 12:44 pm
@wpallday-214: I would love to have alter egos but I hardly have time to post as Keo, let alone troll as others.
It’s demanding enough being who I am, there isn’t the energy to create others of whatever personality type.
19 Feb 2013, 12:44 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-309:
Sadly the trial will be all about Pistorious and she’ll be forgotten as is what usually happens in these high profile murder cases, how many people can remember the name of the murder victim in the Amanda Knox trial in Italy?
19 Feb 2013, 12:44 pm
@ufo-66:
I do hope you come back UFO.
You are one of “The Good Guys”.
Anyone who didn’t read his post 66………………………………..should.
19 Feb 2013, 12:44 pm
Yep the psychopath is one of nature’s creatures too every single individual is a multiple conglomerates of facets and characteristics that they brought with them and got molded and conditioned through life. No one is exempt from consequence and reaction. Self righteous indignation is reserved for those pathetic pricks who think their righteousness is worth something
19 Feb 2013, 12:44 pm
@stormer in a teacup-311: The only thing activated is the Barium for his next colonic cleansing
19 Feb 2013, 12:46 pm
@NZINCHINA-320:
Whi is Amanda Knox?
19 Feb 2013, 12:46 pm
@Mr Black-324: Who
19 Feb 2013, 12:47 pm
@NZINCHINA-320: Meredith
19 Feb 2013, 12:48 pm
What you mean like those self righteous vegetarians?
Fkme I’m not too sure you’ve spent too much time thinking this universal philosophy thru oupa ou doosie.
19 Feb 2013, 12:49 pm
@Atreides-310:
I have no justification for saying this Atreides,
But…………………………………….
Steroids have these effects on individuals.
” they can’t actually accept/process that they a) have been caught b) have to answer to others and c) will be punished for their actions.
19 Feb 2013, 12:49 pm
@skopdiekan-322: do you really not realize that you are the most self righteously indignant poster on this site? Is that possible? Are you now in a codependent relationship with irony?
19 Feb 2013, 12:50 pm
@stormersboy-303:
Do you teach management how to become psychopaths, as well?
19 Feb 2013, 12:50 pm
@Mr Black-324:
American exchange student who was charged with murder in Italy but got off.
@Dilligafrican-326:
Ok you can but I’m sure plenty couldn’t including myself.
19 Feb 2013, 12:51 pm
@CharlesM-279: Apologies good Sir. That was an exaggeration on my part. Apologies to those who may feel insulted by my sweeping generalisation.
19 Feb 2013, 12:52 pm
Preach the good word, the sermon from the mount, tell those self righteous ones just who is most emphatically right.
We need more gdam preachers on here, preachers corner – I wanna hear from the wise.
19 Feb 2013, 12:52 pm
I have had to do my own explaining here.
Just the other day, I’d say last week Monday afternoon my son and I are driving at LC de Villiers (Tuks Sportsground) and suddenly he says: hey there’s Oscar Pistorius, I can’t believe I’m seeing him!
I say: Where? But could not take my eyes off the road but was aware that he is there often.
Then literally a few days later this horrible news- I now needed to explain whether he is a christian or not.
19 Feb 2013, 12:52 pm
@NZINCHINA-331: Merry death? Where are your powers of association?
19 Feb 2013, 12:52 pm
@keo-236:You dont deny it and he makes an appearance shortly after my accusation
19 Feb 2013, 12:53 pm
That’s right all the moaning morally indignant onward Christmas chicken licken soldiers marching off in poor tasting syndrome of poor hurting self righteous indignation. When this white sport for whitey only brumbies arselick joining indignation enraged fuckwits like Piccadilly in a pea cup and f ‘ng off in indignation outa here ?
19 Feb 2013, 12:53 pm
@cane-328: Yea dude, roids have been mentioned too. There’s a lot of conjecture at the moment, any one of 50 different scenarios could have played out. At this stage only he knows.
19 Feb 2013, 12:54 pm
@skopdiekan-322: Tidy up Keo ,not even the worst bloggers are that dumb and ignorant. Being a troll is an art ,subtlety is needed.
19 Feb 2013, 12:54 pm
@skopdiekan-337: Forget your meds again?
19 Feb 2013, 12:55 pm
@cab-333:
Wise guys,
No you don’t cab.
No you don’t.
19 Feb 2013, 12:55 pm
@keo-264: Keo, I repeat post 279: “Every single comment here has attacked me as a person and my character based on my view of Luyt,” Please stop to generalize !! I have done nothing of the kind!!
19 Feb 2013, 12:55 pm
Never mind Oscar, Skop is taking the insanity plea.
19 Feb 2013, 12:55 pm
Oh a mate of mine just pointed out that all I have to write to those who believe I am anti Afrikaans is this: ‘Keo loves the Bulls and listening to Theuns Jordaan and he loves Bok van Blerk’s Ons vir jou Suid Afrika’.
And I do love the inspiring nature of Ons vir jou Suid Afrika, especially if you replace the reference to Boers with a reference to all South Africans who see a better future for all South Africans and want to live in this miracle country of ours.
I may have opinions on everything but for right or wrong I will live and be remembered long after living for my loyalty to the bulls as a supporter.
‘n Bul bly ‘n Bul …
19 Feb 2013, 12:56 pm
@Sheriff-288: Pure speculation at this point in time of course, but I reckon you’re pretty close to the truth there.
I also believe that the size of the toilet is relevant, in that apparently all the shots that were fired hit their target so presumably it wasn’t the en-suite bathroom she ran to but rather a “guest-loo”?
19 Feb 2013, 12:56 pm
What I wanna know us why the hooha over slaughtering horses – the bolognese tastes ok doesn’t it?
19 Feb 2013, 12:57 pm
@stormer in a teacup-335:
Stop it.
19 Feb 2013, 12:57 pm
I think if Billy Connolly got syphillus, you wouldn’t be able to tell him and Skop apart.
19 Feb 2013, 12:59 pm
@sparticus-308: Discover SA Rugby Mag. I am the biggest promoter of sending guys and girls to SA Rugby Mag’s website for great content and interesting opinions, but there’s something seductive about the pub that is Keo.co.za and it’s because of the patrons who frequent the pub.
19 Feb 2013, 12:59 pm
@cab-346:
Hi Cabbie, we can’t be far away from your legendary “this team if injury free ,correct selections/ game plan will take any team anywhere” calls?
19 Feb 2013, 13:00 pm
@cab-346: gives me the trots.
19 Feb 2013, 13:00 pm
@keo-344: “‘n Bul bly ‘n Bul”….shame…
19 Feb 2013, 13:00 pm
@keo-332: Apologies accepted!!
19 Feb 2013, 13:01 pm
341 caner
With the recent walkabout of the jornos, I see a weekly column from you as one of the truly wise – lamb recipe of the week from the land of the long white cloud – the land that knows the benefits of loving animal husbandry.
19 Feb 2013, 13:01 pm
@David-330: LOl no that’s a certain type that either exists or not.
i help businesses define what it is that they do, where they want to go and help map out strategies that help them get there. It goes into a fair amount of depth but that will include putting processes in place to assist them to do their primary tasks better, to help them make informed decisions rather than gut feel ones, stuff like that.
For R800 per hour I’d be happy to sit and go into greater detail with you.
19 Feb 2013, 13:01 pm
@skopdiekan-337: The day after you turn your toes up so hurry up please.
19 Feb 2013, 13:01 pm
It’s time the Afrikaans speaking affected affiliates faced up to some inherent weaknesses in their psychological infirmity and stopped this poor me syndrome of faking self righteous weaknesses as a strength just like the malevolence that killed Steenkamp it about time Afrikaner society realize where it need to stand up and stop being goaded by insular indignation as inherent weakness
19 Feb 2013, 13:02 pm
@CharlesM-342: and I repeat my apology. How many more do you want?
19 Feb 2013, 13:03 pm
Look forward to reading the many offerings defending the rugby honour and administration of Luyt. For those interested in making a submission in the form of an opinion piece please mail to me keo@keo.co.za
19 Feb 2013, 13:03 pm
350 NZINCHiNa
lol, how are you doing – I truly do believe if our current coach was not to so conservative there would be a repeat of 2009 whitewash in the offing this year. You boys will have to check into rehab.
19 Feb 2013, 13:04 pm
@skopdiekan-357: it’s time for your blue pill.
19 Feb 2013, 13:04 pm
@cab-360:
Lol
19 Feb 2013, 13:05 pm
@stormersboy-355:
Why would you pay me R800 an hour just to talk to me? My wife does it for nothing.
19 Feb 2013, 13:05 pm
geen klas om n dooie persoon aan te val nie, eks van die site af
19 Feb 2013, 13:05 pm
@NZINCHINA-320: Very true Cane. Sad, but very natural human behaviour.
19 Feb 2013, 13:05 pm
fark ….Ludeke too clever for me….Steggmann there….
damn…
19 Feb 2013, 13:06 pm
@keo-359: Which High School did you go to if you grew up in the Ville?
19 Feb 2013, 13:07 pm
@David-363:
Ja but you end up paying for that, one way or another 
19 Feb 2013, 13:08 pm
@keo-358: How many “apologies accepted” do you want ? Look at the time difference – I’m trying to do other things as well
19 Feb 2013, 13:08 pm
On the bright side Oscar has won an award at the Athletics Gauteng North annual awards.
19 Feb 2013, 13:10 pm
Even in Luyt’s day,
The SARU was a democratic organisation……………………..was it not?
Each and every Union,
from Border to Transvaal got vote……………………did it not?
He could have been toppled at any given time………………………..Right?
But he wasn’t……………………………………..was he.
Louis reigned with the blessing of the majority……………………………..true or not.
Was he not simply…………………………………… a man of his time?
19 Feb 2013, 13:11 pm
A great achiever, the saviour of Transvaal rugby, the man who brought single handed the RWC to SA and the 1st Super Rugby title to Joburg!
Also the man who took Nelson M to court, remember what the Magistrate judge said?
This must be a paid thread which Keo is obliged to publish, don’t be harsh on the poor man, it’s not personal, it’s strictly business
19 Feb 2013, 13:12 pm
@cane-321: cane there is an old South African saying it goes.
“be careful what you wish for – you may just get it”
Well a couple of brandy and coke okes asked Keo to write an article on Luyt – what the hell did they expect. Storming out of here in a hurry, tearing up their Keo membership cards. It is all too funny
19 Feb 2013, 13:13 pm
Another saying
“when you stroke a serpent (even a small dwarf like one) expect to be bitten”
19 Feb 2013, 13:14 pm
@stormersboy-367: He was a Fairmont fella.
19 Feb 2013, 13:14 pm
@stormer in a teacup-370:
On the down side, he won’t be there to collect it in person
19 Feb 2013, 13:15 pm
@Hondo-372:
“Strickly business”.
Now that folks,
sums it all up.
In two words.
hits equal $.
Controversy gets hits.
19 Feb 2013, 13:16 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-375: Do you remember him?
19 Feb 2013, 13:17 pm
@stormer in a teacup-370:
You’re going we’ll today!
19 Feb 2013, 13:18 pm
Luyt was transvaal legend
he made Transvaal a professional side before professional age…
I will never forgive him for buying Uli and many NTvl players in early 1990s
19 Feb 2013, 13:18 pm
When you stop killing horses and cows and stuffing them down your grotesque murderous poor me self righteous indignation fueled faces that’s when you poorself righteous indignant murderous killing swine stop murdering and killing each other
Now huff off in your huffing indignation of poor selectively chosen chicken licken righteous hurting
19 Feb 2013, 13:18 pm
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Bulls name side for Stormers
2013-02-19 12:53
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Pretoria – Bulls coach Frans Ludeke has named an experienced outfit to face the Stormers on Friday at Loftus Versfeld in the opening match of the local 2013 Super Rugby competition.
Kick-off is at 19:10.
Ludeke named two debutants in his starting XV, with Lionel Mapoe and Mornè Mellett set to start at wing and prop respectively, but also named two centurions and a host of players with more than 40 caps.
Mapoe has played 23 matches for the Lions and five for the Cheetahs before, whilst Mellett toured with the Bulls last year, but did not play in any matches.
Pierre Spies, who captains the side, is one of 11 players who have 40 caps or more at this level.
“We do have an experienced core of players this year and it is something that hopefully will benefit us,” Ludeke said on Tuesday.
“Even Mornè Mellett, who will start in his first match, has toured with us and played well in last year’s Currie Cup. In this competition one will always be looking at the experienced guys in your team and we are lucky to have a lot of those in important positions,” Ludeke said in announcing his team.
Three Springboks, Dean Greyling, Akona Ndungane and Jacques Potgieter were not considered due to injury, whilst Emerging Springbok lock Wilhelm Steenkamp is also out of action of another two weeks due to a shoulder injury.
Bulls captain Pierre Spies said they are looking forward to the start of the season, despite the fact that they are facing the Stormers, who won both encounters between the two sides in 2012.
“They are a formidable side, but this competition is all about measuring yourself against the best out there, as a team and on a personal level. It will be a massive game, as it is not only the traditional North/South derby, it is also two teams with good records in Super Rugby wanting to stake the first claim,” Spies said.
“We are at home and would like to give our fans something to look forward to this season. The first step is to start well against the Stormers.”
Teams:
Bulls:
15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Lionel Mapoe, 13 JJ Engelbrecht, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Mornè Steyn, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Pierre Spies (captain), 7 Dewald Potgieter, 6 Deon Stegmann, 5 Juandrè Kruger, 4 Flip van der Merwe, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 1 Mornè Mellett
Substitutes: 16 Willie Wepener, 17 Frik Kirsten, 18 Grant Hattingh, 19 Arno Botha, 20 Jano Vermaak, 21 Louis Fouchè, 22 Francois Venter
Stormers:
15. Jaco Taute, 14. Gio Aplon, 13. Jean de Villiers (captain), 12. Damian de Allende, 11. Bryan Habana, 10. Elton Jantjies, 9. Nic Groom, 8. Duane Vermeulen, 7. Rynhardt Elstadt, 6. Siya Kolisi, 5. Andries Bekker, 4. De Kock Steenkamp, 3. Pat Cilliers, 2. Deon Fourie, 1. Steven Kitshoff
Substitutes: 16. Martin Bezuidenhout, 17. Frans Malherbe, 18. Don Armand, 19. Nizaam Carr, 20. Dewaldt Duvenage, 21. Gerhard van den Heever, 22. Joe Pietersen
19 Feb 2013, 13:19 pm
@stormersboy-367: I went to De Kuilen Laerskool and Fairmont High as my mom wanted to get some English back into me. It didn’t last though as I then did my national service in the Cops where I worked as plod out of the college in Durbanville, then Detective Branch, then a spell at Goud en Diamant Tak and then finished at the Commercial Crime Unit. A brilliant life education, but I was published as a sports journo when 15 and always wanted to be a sports journo.
I played cricket and rugby and tennis and soccer and whatever I could and loved it and played police under 21 and my last year was when we won the u21 championship in Western Cape beating False Bay, whose team was mostly made up of okes from Bishops, Wynberg and SACS.
We got a Brigadier down from Pta who defined a policeman as only worth anything if he won rugby championships and Pta Police had some potent players because of the College intake and he had five transferred down to boost the WP Police under 21 side and no team beat us that year.
It proved a good time to head for the press box and it’s been a global adventure in the 23 years that have followed, quite a roller coaster ride.
But what a job … writing about sport.
19 Feb 2013, 13:20 pm
@skopdiekan-381:
For a vegetarian you are really punting Chicken Licken.
Did they offer you a better deal than KFC to promote them?
19 Feb 2013, 13:21 pm
Greatest makes an appearance – yessiree its got it all, let us remisce over the great bulls sides of the past, last ek net my blou kouse aansit. Haas daas could kick from 70m then went to the cowboys and it all went downhill.
19 Feb 2013, 13:21 pm
@nortierd-382:
Stormers victory please.
19 Feb 2013, 13:22 pm
I’ll back the Stormers against this Bulls team, even at Loftus
19 Feb 2013, 13:23 pm
@cane-371: He was the dominant man of his time, a strong bully among a combination of whimps and self serving but not strong provincial presidents.
Was Silas Nkanunu and Brian van Rooyen and Orgegan Hoskins not then men of their time? And using that rationale then Mugabe is a man of his team, democratically elected, as was Luyt!
19 Feb 2013, 13:23 pm
That’s more like it, more preaching from the self- righteous, it’s long overdue.
19 Feb 2013, 13:24 pm
@stormersboy-378: He’s older than moi….a good few years ahead of me.
19 Feb 2013, 13:26 pm
@nortierd-387:
No doubt your boys are favourites.
Still these games are usually close.
19 Feb 2013, 13:26 pm
There is only thing worse than making and showing the Bulls’ Stand by Me campaign, and that is the fact that they even made a behind the scenes video.
I guess they can’t show bloopers, as the whole thing is a blooper.
19 Feb 2013, 13:26 pm
@keo-383: Ok so we grew up in the same neighborhood. I went to Settlers, many of my mates went to Fairmont. You were probably a year ahead of me.
We used to enjoy beating you in rugby each year
Cops huh? We may have met before ……..
19 Feb 2013, 13:27 pm
Yep the enlightened few who know it all, the ones pointing fingers at the supposed self-righteous, you couldn’t make this kak up in a million years if you tried and still completely oblivious to the irony – what a crock of horseshit .
19 Feb 2013, 13:30 pm
I have a solution to bring back running rugby…
For rugby supporters to see more tries, the law makers dont have to change the laws of the game to make this happen, but they can the widening the width of the field by a meter on each side…
Spreading the ball wide will once again be the better/more awarding option…
Your thoughts?
19 Feb 2013, 13:31 pm
@nortierd-382: swap Mapoe and JJ, drop the meisie for Venter or Serfontein, cull Steyn for good, bench Spies for Botha and you have a team that will still lose to the ovwewhelming favourites from the WC.
19 Feb 2013, 13:32 pm
@Jeez-395:
We never stopped
19 Feb 2013, 13:35 pm
@RL-396: Boet you gotto change your nic , to maybe BS, yes i know BS stand for bullshit
but in your case it will be blackshark. lol
19 Feb 2013, 13:36 pm
@NZINCHINA-397:
Well then you can score even more
19 Feb 2013, 13:36 pm
@nortierd-387:
Agree, anything but a win against the Bulls will be seen as a failure.
19 Feb 2013, 13:37 pm
@RL-396: G10 will be very happy with this Bulls team.
I actually think the Stormers have a good chance of winning the opener.
19 Feb 2013, 13:37 pm
@RL-396:
Nope, might have viewed it differently then.
Bulls are probably favourites at home, but sorry, that team doesn’t instill fear in you does it?
You must back your Sharks against them, surely?
19 Feb 2013, 13:40 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-401:
How can the Bulls be favourites?
The Brokebacks have won their last 3 visits to Loftus.
Stop lowering your expectations.
19 Feb 2013, 13:41 pm
@west indies cricket board-20: enjoy chatting to yourself,mate.
19 Feb 2013, 13:42 pm
@Jeez-399:
The Sharks showed glimpses of it at the end of the comp last year, pretty to watch.
19 Feb 2013, 13:43 pm
@nortierd-392:
The Bulls will always be faves at home…..
Tis sad, but tis the nature of this competition
And the guppies will be FIRM faves next weekend.
You have to (and really should) win your home games.
19 Feb 2013, 13:44 pm
Steggmann is my concern …..
Grateful to blouballs no Jan Serfontein and that he has stuck with Spies and M Steyn….
Blouballs gonna skop en jag…..
Not a fark they gonna open it till very late in the game…
19 Feb 2013, 13:45 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-406:
Guppies, yes, they had our measure last year.
Let’s see how they cope without their best loosies, like we had to last year
19 Feb 2013, 13:46 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-401: the hoops will walk it – currie cup champions – conference champions – the team tipped to finish the pool stages in #1 position. How can they not.
@nortierd-402: eish, it is not good to be so wrong. It will feel like a home match remember – DHL shirts outnumber bully horns.
19 Feb 2013, 13:46 pm
@NZINCHINA-379: thanks. I’m surfing a wave of self righteous indignation
19 Feb 2013, 13:48 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-345:
Yeah the distance seems to be 7 metres. Not necessarily the guest loo as his house has stairs so I would imagine that the guest loo would be downstairs.
Huge house so not clear, but we will eventually get all of that as the graphic artists will seek to recreate the events.
The dynamic of ‘if I can’t have you then nobody will’ is also at play here to some extent.
Careful analysis of events that made the news paint a picture of man that felt that he was above the law. I listened the other day to an interview he did when explaining that a former girlfriend accused him of assaulting her. He was pretty neat in his explanations, cushioned everything nicely with side comments.
He threatened someone that he will ‘break this legs’; which is very interesting choice of words. Of course that’s not all he said, but you can see where I’m going.
19 Feb 2013, 13:48 pm
No Arno Botha
No Jan Serfontein….
a mediocre 12 and 13
a skop en jag artist at 10
a soft c ock at 8…..
It is just that damn Fortress Loftus that is a concern.
No one swaggers into the Cathedral…….
Always show respect, even if you a non believer…..
Steggmann may cause Stormers the brerakdown blues….D Fourie and Kolisi got a tough job to contain the Brussel Sprout clone….
Stormers by 4
19 Feb 2013, 13:49 pm
@grant10-407:
I agree they could have picked a much bettet team. Serfontein and Mapoe could have been lethal! Visser at 15 could have been a better selection too…
19 Feb 2013, 13:50 pm
@grant10-407: I read your post on how Ludeke outsmarted you with his Steggies selection – fear not for it was not too difficult to get one over you – AC saw it coming from a mile away and chose two fetchers to counter our Steggie – only mistake AC made was not selecting a hooker in his starting xv.
19 Feb 2013, 13:50 pm
@The Rangerman-51: I thought they won promotion into the CC .
19 Feb 2013, 13:53 pm
@S_K-415: sit my little `@@”>
19 Feb 2013, 13:57 pm
@RL-414: Stormers should have taken Minnie as well young Sharkie
19 Feb 2013, 13:57 pm
*lol* I see Keo has well and truly drank himself drunk on the Watson koolaid. You have no credibility as a journalist.
19 Feb 2013, 14:00 pm
Chrissakes… There’s some self righteous holier than though prats here.
I am not surprised in the slightest… What with all the King Watson freedom fighter fans and the exclusive everyone else in SA is a refugee Stormer supporters on this Stormfront propaganda…
Thank goodness there a few pockets of real honest rugby supporters still here… mainly Sharks supporters but also a few good Bulls too…
The rest is like an emo sea of white and blue in a popper frenzy….
19 Feb 2013, 14:01 pm
@grant10-412:
My thoughts exactly.
Stormers by 4
19 Feb 2013, 14:01 pm
@John Galt-61: History is littered with articles long after the demise of dictators.Does that make historians cowards now? It’s important for generation after generation to see these dictators for what they were.
19 Feb 2013, 14:02 pm
@Heavens Game-419:
It’s only due to your parole conditions that the Shark supporters are honest
19 Feb 2013, 14:02 pm
@grant10-417: Minnie is overrated and his ears do not work properly – tell AC to make an offer for Jaco Kriel. Whata talent he is.
19 Feb 2013, 14:04 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-401: the bulls are always favourites at Loftus ,Tyrone.
19 Feb 2013, 14:04 pm
@stormersboy-393: Fairmont v Settlers the derby lol
19 Feb 2013, 14:04 pm
Cant wait till saturday when the mighty dynamite take their first steps to immortality…
Also looking forward to Friday night where I will beyond doubt be rooting for the Bulls…
Lightning cant strike twice at Loftus and I reckon the light blue are going farken to send them Brokebacks homeward ta think again….
19 Feb 2013, 14:06 pm
@RL-423: yes….good oke that Kriel….and I want L Cronje back too….
19 Feb 2013, 14:06 pm
@nortierd-422: Ag, fark off plod…
19 Feb 2013, 14:07 pm
Pity Brussow not there to send the Sharkies in a spin…
19 Feb 2013, 14:09 pm
@grant10-427: no ways we gave you Jantjies and that is enough.
19 Feb 2013, 14:11 pm
@keo-425:
Why did you decide to write this article a mere +- 18 days after Dr Luyt passed away?
Based on your own description, you are of ‘mixed descent’ or differently stated ‘kullid’
And if you are from CT, then you are a Cape Kullid, right?
19 Feb 2013, 14:11 pm
@Heavens Game-428:
BOOM …..goes another ATM bombing
19 Feb 2013, 14:16 pm
@Heavens Game-426: who cares who you root for! go ahead and knock yourself out,
19 Feb 2013, 14:16 pm
@nortierd-432: And BOOM goes another Bobby’s lunch….
Followed by “Light” thuds as squad’s of “elite” fatty boom booms in blue do their version of “Rapid” Response to crime…
Ye… The Blue Teletubbies… SA’s version of the “Thin” Blue Line
19 Feb 2013, 14:16 pm
@Heavens Game-426:
Cant wait till saturday when the mighty dynamite take their first steps to immortality…
Thanks for giving me a laugh.
Remember when you write your love letters to Lambie and co. don’t press to hard, crayons snap.
And ask them to please not choke in the big games this year again, your heart won’t take it.
Luckily the Lions can’t upset them again this year, so it’s one less loss to bear
19 Feb 2013, 14:19 pm
@nortierd-435: SA’s “finest”…
19 Feb 2013, 14:19 pm
@Heavens Game-436:
At your service….
19 Feb 2013, 14:23 pm
@nortierd-435: Guppies…….
Like the genius Sharks_Lover, who in attempting to deny it is HE who is blogging here once again, admits it as well, all in one sentence.
Nofuckingeinsteins….
19 Feb 2013, 14:25 pm
@nortierd-437: Noshit Sherlock… Of course service is the key word in SAPS, yes?
19 Feb 2013, 14:25 pm
@The Rangerman-58: Hi Ranger.You well?Liked last sentence of your post
19 Feb 2013, 14:26 pm
@nortierd-435: it is true, the Lions took away 4 vital points from the guppies last year – all water under the bridge now – but this years queens are 10 points in the bag
19 Feb 2013, 14:26 pm
Ag Keotjie, jy moenie so worry nie.
Daai kwaai oom Louis sal jou nie weer pla nie.
19 Feb 2013, 14:28 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-438: I see that now not only are you an alleged “Doc” in Mind quackery – the dog eared, well thumbed, 1st year DSM-IV under your pillow notwithstanding, you are also a legal expert too…
Farkme these brokeback supporters are so cleva… Captains of Industry, “Docs” and Advocaats… Farken too much cleva…
19 Feb 2013, 14:28 pm
@ufo-66: No Ufo.You are the voice
of reason here.If you go the baddies will have won.
19 Feb 2013, 14:29 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-438:
Sounds like the Poodlefucker.
19 Feb 2013, 14:29 pm
e — David Smith
(@SmithInAfrica)
February 19, 2013
Pistorius: My continued
incarceration will be of “no benefit”
to the state. Release would not
disturb the public order.
19 Feb 2013, 14:31 pm
@Heavens Game-436:
HG
You can relax.
I won’t be turning up at your door with some cuffs.
I only chase the Master Mind, the main brains of the operations.
I therefore immediately discount ANY Shark supporter.
I reckon, if you are so thick to support the Sharks then you are are definitely not mastermind material
19 Feb 2013, 14:32 pm
@ryecatcher-444: Farken calm your hormones kehla… You sounding more and more like a Storming brokeback every day…
A week of Raw Sharkfin soup for you to regrow those Last Outpost ballas before its too late….
Accompanied by 10 Hail Sharks and 20 We are Dynamites after every meal…
Quick quick…
19 Feb 2013, 14:32 pm
@Heavens Game-439:
Depends
If I’m in the middle of my barrel of Kentucky, take a seat, I might get to you today, otherwise come back tomorrow
19 Feb 2013, 14:34 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-438: I never did admit anything of the sought, SL lives in PMB, I happen to live in Balito.
Should you not go back to your street corner as HG would say?
You sit online crying about the sharks all day like a ***** who lost her *****, thou protests to much little girl.
And for you info me telling HG there are numerous injuries to the csharks at present is not crying about it or using it as an excuse, STOP BEING A DRAMA QUEEN, AND WHILE UR AT IT TAKE UR BUM CHUM POODLE ****** AND GET LOST.
19 Feb 2013, 14:34 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-438:
I dont think that is an exclusively Guppy thing.
Wnbb, S_K etc ring any bells?
19 Feb 2013, 14:35 pm
@gunther-70: Hi pal.Agree with
much of what UFO says.
19 Feb 2013, 14:35 pm
@nortierd-447: Yes apparently all Blue Teletubbies chase Master minds…
Maybe thats all they do… Dream of the one big Master Mind… All the meanwhile the ATMs blow up…
All the meanwhile they munch… and munch on a healthy KFC balanced diet bucket…
Clearly brainfood…
19 Feb 2013, 14:35 pm
@nortierd-447:
That makes a change.
Cops usually only chase their lunchboxes.
19 Feb 2013, 14:36 pm
@Heavens Game-448: Hey HG you7 must come down to Saltiesd in Balito, we can drink and laugh at these Broke back planks.
19 Feb 2013, 14:37 pm
-7 and Saltiesd = Salties, Pub and Grub lol
19 Feb 2013, 14:37 pm
@S_K-433:
Why, hello sharks_lover…things a bit quiet over at rugby-talk?
Mormon high five!
19 Feb 2013, 14:38 pm
@Heavens Game-443: More like advokots
19 Feb 2013, 14:39 pm
@John Galt-451:
If you are poodle it should ring several.
None of them good.
19 Feb 2013, 14:40 pm
@WP-Forever-457: Seems you and the Poodle are lovers with you schlooping up his ring? well not surprised really at you Cape Town Moffies.
19 Feb 2013, 14:40 pm
Full 35 man Sharks squad (* denotes currently injured player)
Willem Alberts *
Meyer Bosman
Jacques Botes
Anton Bresler
Craig Burden
Dale Chadwick *
Marcell Coetzee
Kyle Cooper
Keegan Daniel *
Allan Dell
Jean Deysel
Bismarck du Plessis *
Jannie du Plessis
Pieter-Steph du Toit
Monde Hadebe *
Wiehahn Herbst
Butch James *
Paul Jordaan
Ryan Kankowski
Pat Lambie
Louis Ludik
Jandre Marais
Peet Marais
Charl McLeod
Tendai Mtawarira
Lubabalo Mtembu
Lwazi Mvovo
Odwa Ndungane
JP Pietersen
Cobus Reinach
Sibusiso Sithole
Francois Steyn
Franco van der Merwe
Riaan Viljoen
Tim Whitehead *
19 Feb 2013, 14:41 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-450: yeah right,Tyrone .
. I sense another meltdown coming soon!
19 Feb 2013, 14:42 pm
@nortierd-449: Its okay… Dont worry… I prefer rentacops…
They actually not scared of ATM “bombers”…
They also Sharks supporters… Well, they support whoever the paying piper says they should….
Maybe thats what I should do with Teletubbies too – they not averse to getting paid either…
19 Feb 2013, 14:42 pm
@gunther-459:
What were some of his other nicks?
Capo was one.
19 Feb 2013, 14:43 pm
@John Galt-461: John you mentioning an injured Sharks player in here will have The Cape Dog having a panty attack and chining you for it lol.
19 Feb 2013, 14:44 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-460: Vintage Sharkslover ! Keep it up Tyrone !you will convince us all on your own who you really are .
19 Feb 2013, 14:44 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-455: I know Salties well… Got a few mates there and in Ballito… Next time I’m down from Gangster’s is could be good to have a beer or ten…
19 Feb 2013, 14:45 pm
@gunther-454:
That’s mainly because some other cop has pinched it.
19 Feb 2013, 14:45 pm
@Heavens Game-463:
Not all, unfortunately some are, but luckily not all
19 Feb 2013, 14:47 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-455: Let me remind you Tyrone….
• 677.Sharks_are_gonna_get_you:
18 Feb 2013, 21:08 pm
You got to love the fools in here that think they know everyone, and of course throwing insults at someone that does not even come into the site.
Typically they like with their team is wrong, but of course in their own shallow way they will still try and act all cool and smart whilst acting like 2 year old school girl.
I however am not surprised and i also have to laugh at those thinking not only is it me but that i am angry or going to throw a tantrum? Lawdy me but you people should get a life down in Cape Town.
Scrolling back even a Nikita woman trashed me and spoke about how I dissed her? The poor girl must be in dire need fopr attention thus her rants to someone she does not even know or who never said 1 word to her.
Actually for the smart kids in here, why not get Keo to check my IP and tell you where i live in SA, and then ask those that know SL or As I also go to Rugby_talk and know him from there ask him where he lives?
Me thinks some fools in for a big surprise. But hey whatever floats your little boats? row away~~~~
• 687.The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food:
18 Feb 2013, 21:27 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-677: Oh and just to add to my 1st post…
Read this sentenceveryfuckingcarefully, yes I know you wrote it….butreaditagain, and then tell me how it is I am 100% sure it is YOU? (In fact, it is YOU who is telling me, it is YOU)
“I however am not surprised and i also have to laugh at those thinking not only is it me but that i am angry or going to throw a tantrum?”
Ok, read it again? Good. Now go back to the bit where you write, “I also have to laugh at those thinking not only is it ME…….” Ummmmm, you are saying it is you dumfuck…
If you were someone else, you would have said, “I also have to laugh at those thinking not only I am Sharks_lover…..”
The tribehasfuckingspoken……
Now to recap:
You are toofuckingthick to pull off a dual persona (see above), as you fold like a cheap poker hand as soon as ‘heat is on’. No-one else on this blog does Mormon mantrums and Oros aisle in Pick n Pay toddler wobblies like you do…You are ajedifuckingmaster in interweb meltdowns….
We know you were evicted from the Cape, and that you are back where you belong
Come clean, and stop making yourself look as simple and feeble as what many on here already think you are.
Ta.
19 Feb 2013, 14:47 pm
@S_K-462: Poodle only one with meltdowns is you numbnuts, you hide under nics and run around in here in search of friends, thing is your poodle smell follows you dude, your stench cannot be missed, go shower to start with and buy some deodorant, after that go and have a cold Irish beer as you always do on your own,
you know you wont have live friends.
19 Feb 2013, 14:48 pm
“Ándele! Ándele! Reeva! Reeva! Epa! Epa! Epa! Yeehaw!”
I know that was in bad taste, but I just couldn’t help myself.
19 Feb 2013, 14:48 pm
@nortierd-469: Good man…
19 Feb 2013, 14:49 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-470: Dreaming again Poodles buddy?? check ip addies foolish little girl.
19 Feb 2013, 14:50 pm
@Heavens Game-473: OK ocean calls, time for a swim, Keep the Poodle lovers busy while i am out HG.
19 Feb 2013, 14:51 pm
@S_K-462: `@@”> lover has Cheeky announced his team as yet, minus the 5 buitelanders.
19 Feb 2013, 14:51 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-470: Fcksakes Doggy…
You are one obsessed little biyatch…
WTF’s wrong with you….You bored… Not getting enough shunting happiness… Your rottie take a squibb up its b.um…?
What…?
Come… talk to Daddy…
19 Feb 2013, 14:51 pm
@Heavens Game-473: There are good Stormers?? lol
19 Feb 2013, 14:52 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-475:
Enjoy, wish I could take a dip in the ocean now
Be careful that the sharks don’t get you
19 Feb 2013, 14:52 pm
@Heavens Game-477:
How’s the Banshee?
19 Feb 2013, 14:53 pm
@RL-476:
RL you have become a solid Sharkie, 
19 Feb 2013, 14:53 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-478:
No, he didn’t mean good Stormers.
He will never say that
Think he meant there are good cops
19 Feb 2013, 14:54 pm
@nortierd-479:
boet thanks, water has been great here.
19 Feb 2013, 14:54 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-474: Tyrone, Tyrone, Tyrone….you have been ‘exposed’, wrinkled and puckered up bumbum on display.
The more you protest…the more pathetic you look…. IP addies….dearestwrinklyballs, that is your defence? You need William Booth.
You do realise many of the folk on here, read your rugbytalk drivel as well? There is but one ‘Big Daddy hummerloving goldchained guppie praise singer’ – You. And I’m delighted you are here.
(Still waiting for your congrats to the CC champs…..waiting waiting waiting ?)
19 Feb 2013, 14:54 pm
@nortierd-482:
ok outa here.
19 Feb 2013, 14:56 pm
@WP-Forever-480: Farkoff, wannabe vampire squid…
19 Feb 2013, 14:57 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-483:
Miss the ocean
Second biggest drawback of living in Pretoria.
Biggest is obviously the fact that it is chock-a-block full of Bull supporters
19 Feb 2013, 14:57 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-484:
Don’t forget the floral-print boardshorts.
19 Feb 2013, 14:57 pm
@John Galt-464:
Too many to count.
Even more than Snoeky.
Low self-esteem I think.
19 Feb 2013, 14:57 pm
@Heavens Game-477: Nope, just having fun with Tyrone. I missed him. You were a rather poor stand in, whilst he was on mantrumsabbatical.
(But I still want to be friends. Ok?)
BOOM?
19 Feb 2013, 14:58 pm
“Sarfu needed calm and vision..”
I’m not convinced the present band of merry idiots have done anything significant for South African rugby. They have demonstrated however that elitism is alive and well, as can be seen by the atrocity that is the Kings fiasco.
Attacking Luyt’s obvious character flaws is childish.
The keyword in South Africa today is ‘integrity’. Integrity is on the soon to be list of extinct species along with the white rhino.
19 Feb 2013, 14:58 pm
@David-468:
Excellent.
19 Feb 2013, 15:00 pm
15. SP Marais
11. Marcello Sampson
13. Ronnie Cooke
12. Andries Strauss (Vice Captain)
… 14. Sergeal Petersen
10. Demetri Catrakilis
9. Shaun Venter
1. Schalk Ferreira
2. Bandise Maku
3. Kevin Buys
6. Cornell du Preez
4. David Bulbring
5. Steven Sykes
7. Wimpie van der Walt
8. Luke Watson (Captain)
Replacements
16. Edgar Marutlulle
17. Jaco Engels
18. Daniel Adongo
19. Jacques Engelbrecht
20. Johan Herbst
21. George Whitehead
22. Hadleigh Parkes
19 Feb 2013, 15:00 pm
We need a medical expert here.
How is it the Oscar could walk around without his legs?
19 Feb 2013, 15:00 pm
keo you are a p r i c k of the highest order.
19 Feb 2013, 15:01 pm
@gunther-494:
We need ET.
19 Feb 2013, 15:01 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-490: Oh did you now…?
Unfaithful little wench… Now let me go find my Cricket bat…
19 Feb 2013, 15:04 pm
@gunther-494:
Or Capo.
He’s an expert on being legless.
19 Feb 2013, 15:05 pm
@WP-Forever-488: And Barryfuckingmanilow vs Snoop Dog vs Kylie Minogue blaring out the hummer as his ponytail horseflips side to side in the Ballito sun
Guppies…..Tyrone rocks guppiegangnam.
19 Feb 2013, 15:05 pm
@gunther-494:
Did he get bail.
If he did, he should charter a flight to Panama. They don’t have extradition laws.
19 Feb 2013, 15:05 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-471: bwahaaaaaaa!and this coming from a guy that says he is less than two weeks on this blog!!!
19 Feb 2013, 15:08 pm
@WP-Forever-496:
Drieballs neighbour’s interweb is broken so he’s gone underground .
@Jeraldjay-500:
We will find out tomorrow.
19 Feb 2013, 15:09 pm
@gunther-502:
His advocate has indicated that Pistorius has graciously offered to surrender his passport.
19 Feb 2013, 15:10 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-485: Tyrone,I see that your name is number 1 ghetto name in the USA .
19 Feb 2013, 15:11 pm
@gunther-502:
ET got quite excited in the Pakistani 1st innings at Newlands.
19 Feb 2013, 15:13 pm
@gunther-494: There are more questions than answers here.
You see….Roux was insistent from the get go that Nel tell them where he has evidence that Oscar’s legs were on when the shots were fired (Ballistics will prove that – either way, and Perumal the independent will attempt to provide alternative reasons to discredit the state.)
I do believe Nel has until tommorrow to answer the 5 questions Roux asked. Which means: Roux isn’t 100% sure what he should and should not say in this bail hearing….They’re fishing, because with every statement Roux makes in court, he could be nailing his client further, before the trial even starts….
But the Defence can’t afford to have Oscar shooting through that door with his legs on….as his whole defence is going to rest on “the fear and terror he felt because he was without his prosthetic legs”.
Personally, I’m not sure Roux and co have done the right thing here….Gambling already, without knowing wtf the state have or don’t have at this stage.
One thing – Oscar is not going to make this trial. He seems broken, klaar, finished.
19 Feb 2013, 15:14 pm
@S_K-501: How’s my little Angolan “Diamond Dealer”… or Irish Property “mogul”….
Fark, I still chuckle at those little self descriptions my little Poodle Pomper….
19 Feb 2013, 15:14 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-506:
I imagine Oscar is a big suicide risk at the moment.
19 Feb 2013, 15:15 pm
Mark
What’s with the anti-Afrikaner sentiment lately?
19 Feb 2013, 15:17 pm
@Jeraldjay-505:
Ja.
Quietened down a bit by Sunday.
19 Feb 2013, 15:17 pm
Wow what a mouthful on Luyt…Funny it is not said when he was alive to his face. Its easier when he not around….What has happened to thew Lions would not have happened if Luyt was was still in charge. Let a person have the courage of his convictions.
I actually think this is disgusting and bloody cowardly.
Can you put up your great hand of what you did for rugby…………..
He got where he was from not taking **** from cowards like you
Very dissappointed in this article as there are worse people out there………oh yes I forgot, they still alive. We will see their characteristics when they dead……..
19 Feb 2013, 15:19 pm
@WP-Forever-508: I believe the devastation is real. The remorse he is exhibiting.
(But ones not sure what inspired it) The Loss of a lover? Or the Loss of his life as he knew it?
####reallyshittystateofaffairs
19 Feb 2013, 15:19 pm
@Jeraldjay-500: He would need to get a Panama visa first.
Can’t just board a plane on a Green Mamba passport.
19 Feb 2013, 15:19 pm
@willievz-509: Solidarity with Luke maybe…
19 Feb 2013, 15:19 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-506:
What I don’t understand is that he was so afraid of being attacked but he slept with the sliding door open?
Do they not have aircon in Pretoors?
I still would like to see her phone records.
19 Feb 2013, 15:20 pm
Consider, for a moment, the possibility (however unlikely) that Oscar acted in a genuine fear of his life, in a confused state in the early hours of the morning, with no ill intent whatsoever.
Stranger things have happened.
If so, he must be at the end of his tether, having just tragically and accidentally killed the love of his life.
19 Feb 2013, 15:20 pm
@WP-Forever-508:
That’s what his lawyer will be saying tomorrow.
19 Feb 2013, 15:23 pm
i feel really sorry for reeva and her family.
they must be absolutely shattered.
i dont know if i could live through such a loss.
and i feel very bad for oscar too.
he gave lots of people hope for what can be achieved and though i dont really look to sports stars/ celebrities as role models they can inspire people.
his failure though is not a failure of all the people who expected him to be something, rather a simple failure of himself.
19 Feb 2013, 15:23 pm
@gunther-515: Does Pretoors have aircons? I know they have airheads.
I’m sure they are on that iPad and mobile telefoontjie like a flyonHG.
Far too many questions? Logical ones….
(He kind of shothimselfinthefoot – apologies – when he declared to all and sundry straight after the shooting that it was an accident and that he thought she was an intruder….
He has to stick to this now – regardless of whether there could be a scenario that served him better?)
19 Feb 2013, 15:24 pm
@gunther-510:
The Proteas are guaranteed no.1 test status in April which means a $200 000 bonus from the ICC. Could be more.
Majola really missed out.
19 Feb 2013, 15:24 pm
@stormersboy-516:
I don’t buy it.
He gets up, thinks there is an intruder in the house and doesn’t check where the “love of his life is”?
Computer says no.
And so, I think will the judge.
19 Feb 2013, 15:24 pm
in other news, the brokebacks must vuka, the sharkies are waiting for them.
19 Feb 2013, 15:26 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-506: Ballistics will be key here.
19 Feb 2013, 15:26 pm
@Jeraldjay-520: each or the whole team because if its the whole team splitting 200k dollars then majola is probably splitting his sides.
19 Feb 2013, 15:28 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-506: so if the bullets angle of entry into the door was from a standing poisition and not from a lower angle he will get the death penalty?
19 Feb 2013, 15:30 pm
@stormersboy-516: A very wise friend of mine once said: “Sometimes it’s the defences that seem the most ridiculous, that are in fact the most truthful…”
However, I’m not getting that vibe from this……..I see people trying to fit a ‘defence’ into what they ‘think’ they state know, and trying to ‘fit’ a defence into what the accused himself said minutes after the shooting…..(when he called various people)
I do believe in his right to a free and fair trial though.
19 Feb 2013, 15:30 pm
what if he was passed out when she came over (surely she has the keys?) and he woke up to hear movement in the room,, took a shot in the darkness and then pursued the “intruder” towards the bathroom, shooting through the door in the fear the intruder may come out guns blazing?
unlikely i know but once at varsity i honestly thought in the middle of the night that the corner of my digs room was actually a lovely big tree outside my tent and that i was camping and needed a midnight wee.
sadly i had carpets in my room and after tearing them out, winter was a cold one.
19 Feb 2013, 15:31 pm
@Sheriff-288: And that is why you are
the”Sheriff”Your posse can now “afsaal”
19 Feb 2013, 15:31 pm
@Jeraldjay-520:
That’s small beer for him.
Besides I think it’s only the team and coaches.
19 Feb 2013, 15:32 pm
@gunther-521: I was talking more to his potential state of mind at the moment, given that possibility (however unlikely).
At this stage the courts are obliged to consider that possibility, and it may well affect his bail.
There was a famous American Lawyer called Clarence Darrow who once argued for leniency in favour of a youngster convicted of murdering his parents on the basis that he was now an orphan……
I agree with you that something is rotten in the state of Denmark to be sure.
I’d like to see how the evidence presents itself.
19 Feb 2013, 15:33 pm
@The Rangerman-524:
Whole team splits the $200 000.
I wonder whether Majola has decided to go back to his original occupation as a realtor.
19 Feb 2013, 15:33 pm
@RL-525: Um,….we don’t do that anymore.
19 Feb 2013, 15:35 pm
@The Rangerman-527: They spent the evening together…she arrived at 5pm on the 13th. He says he watched tv in the bedroom, and she was doing yoga, and then they went to bed.
19 Feb 2013, 15:36 pm
@The Rangerman-527:
He said they had an early night after he watched some tv and she did yoga.
Seems odd.
If Fräulein Gunther did yoga on the bedroom floor I’d be the first to get my salutation to the sun fully extended.
I certainly wouldn’t be watching masterchef repeats on the tube.
19 Feb 2013, 15:37 pm
@RL-525:
Cruel and inhuman punishment.
Just like if you were to lock him up next Extraball.
19 Feb 2013, 15:38 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-526: As I said in my post 530, I’d like to see how it shakes out, evidence-wise.
I’d like to firstly see the results of the toxicology reports for both, which may shed light on potential lack of rationality, and then the ballistics evidence, which should paint a picture of the sequence of events, and then other stuff like telephone records, entry and other info which add to the circumstantial picture.
19 Feb 2013, 15:39 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-533:
Of course, it also doesn’t help that the neighbours heard shouting.
Or that there had been “previous incidents of a domestic nature”.
Or that it was not Pistorius who actually phoned the police.
19 Feb 2013, 15:39 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-533: a couple of weeks in Pollsmoor as John Mongrels bitc.h he is as good as dead.
19 Feb 2013, 15:41 pm
For those who don’t know – John Mongrel is not ga.y. The men he rapes are the ga.ys.
19 Feb 2013, 15:42 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-533: @gunther-534: ah, so the midnight wee defence will not hold then.
@Jeraldjay-531: its kinda peanuts for these guys really, maybe R70k each?
majola charged that by the hour didnt he?
in other news i see telford vice gave norm arendse a verbal blowie in the sunday times.
old telford reminds me a bit of cheeky who reminds me of verwoerd. sports cocktail with a political mixer.
19 Feb 2013, 15:43 pm
@RL-525: Nope, he gets to spend 14 hours in your company. Him sitting on a toilet seat, and you waffling away on the other side of the door.
(I might be inclined to add HG and Skop)
I would say that justice had been served?
@willievz-523: Oh yes. Case rests on it. I always find it a little dodge when accused folk immediately appoint independent forensic and ballistic ‘experts’ for hire.
Their job is usually to provide alternatives for what the state is alleging, using ‘its’ forensic evidence. Then again – with current record….it could also be read as an innocent man petrifed the police cockitup.
The Inge Lotz case comes to mind – set the precedent for shattering police processed forensic evidence led cases.
19 Feb 2013, 15:43 pm
@RL-538: surely mongrel could be taken the wrong way in the context you use the word?
not that i care because i will defend you to the death on keo my sharky redp us sy brother
19 Feb 2013, 15:44 pm
Toxicology and Ballistics reports?
Everybody is an expert these days.
I blame Horatio Cane.
19 Feb 2013, 15:45 pm
This from News 24:
Pretoria – Oscar Pistorius has described, in an affidavit read out to the Pretoria Magistrate’s Court on Tuesday, how his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp died.
According to Pistorius, he and Steenkamp went to bed at about 22:00 on 13 February 2013.
He explained that he keeps a 9mm pistol under the bed as he has been a victim of crime before.
During the night he went out on the balcony and heard a noise in the bathroom. He said he felt a “sense of terror” rush through him.
Vulnerable
“Because I did not have my legs on I felt vulnerable. I fired shots through the bathroom door and told Reeva to call police.”
He then explained that Reeva was not in bed. “That’s when it occurred to me that she could have been in the bathroom. The bathroom door was locked. With the benefit of hindsight I realise that Reeva went to the bathroom when I went to close the balcony door.”
Pistorius then used a cricket bat to break down the bathroom door.
“Reeva was alive. I took her to the bathroom, called Netcare, picked her up and went downstairs.
“I tried to revive Reeva but she died in my arms. I am mortified.
“I trust the South African legal system and the facts will show that I did not murder Reeva.”
Pistorius said in the statement that he is not a flight risk, will not interfere with witnesses, has no previous convictions and is not disposed to violence. His continued incarceration will be of “no benefit” to the State
19 Feb 2013, 15:45 pm
@gunther-543: the guy who has the sideways stand down pat?
cheesekop cheeseball but the little blonde is foxy.
19 Feb 2013, 15:46 pm
@gunther-543: Call me Petrocelli.
19 Feb 2013, 15:47 pm
@The Rangerman-540:
It seems he’s the only cricket writer left at the Sunday Crimes.
I wonder if he’ll still be around when Big Norm starts sending abusive texts to the players again?
19 Feb 2013, 15:47 pm
@stormersboy-536: The fact that the police had their forensic folk in lockdown at that house for 3 days, shows the care they are taking (unlike a few other high profile cases….)
It’s a very interesting case from the forensic and ballistic side. And I see that vd Nest fella who lead the forensics in the Eugene Terblanche investigation is running the show here. Not a fool that fella.
19 Feb 2013, 15:47 pm
@The Rangerman-545: The reason Horatio Cane always stares at the ground is that the actor is such a stoner that he can never remember his lines, they tape it to the floor next to him, and he reads them, only looking up during the last line.
19 Feb 2013, 15:48 pm
@RL-525: what a dom doooos!typical lions mentality I guess. The death penalty has been abolished many moons ago, guppyboy
19 Feb 2013, 15:49 pm
@RL-538:
Capo spent a fortnight all inclusive with him and lived to tell the tale.
19 Feb 2013, 15:49 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-548: Yes they have the A Team on this one, expecting Piet Byleveld to make an appearance any minute now
19 Feb 2013, 15:49 pm
@stormersboy-544: well the story is plausible i suppose but the following sounds a bit off?
“During the night he went out on the balcony and heard a noise in the bathroom. He said he felt a “sense of terror” rush through him.
Vulnerable
“Because I did not have my legs on I felt vulnerable. I fired shots through the bathroom door and told Reeva to call police.”
so he went out on the blacony without his legs on? was he crawling? then he crawled all the way to the bathroom door to shoot through it?
and during that crawl he had no time to shout out or even thought of firing a warning shot?
19 Feb 2013, 15:51 pm
@The Rangerman-545:
The human teapot.
He looks like Robbie P when someone misfields off his bowling.
19 Feb 2013, 15:51 pm
@The Rangerman-553: Maybe he has some form of padding for his stumps, makeshift slippers if you will. I have no idea personally.
That’s his story and he’s sticking to it. On record now.
19 Feb 2013, 15:52 pm
@gunther-547: telford will be typing them for norm, thick fingers on that norm fellow.
shame, telford is sometimes so earnest in his quest to be on the side of the “righteous” (read: put black players in that team NOW even if they are the best side in the world!)
he reminds me of gwant, norman can be the rottie.
19 Feb 2013, 15:54 pm
@The Rangerman-553:
Why was the sliding door to the balcony door open in the first place?
Has the dude never watched mission impossible?
@stormersboy-552:
Sharif has already popped in and told us what went down.
19 Feb 2013, 15:55 pm
@gunther-554: haha, robbie came to the party this last test, good on yer robbie, telford has something he wants to tell you….
@stormersboy-555: fair enough.
i am out guys, cheers.
19 Feb 2013, 15:56 pm
@gunther-557: it was a hot night, the kind of night with heat that can make you mad….
cheers man.
19 Feb 2013, 15:58 pm
@The Rangerman-542: Ross Kemp asked him if he was ga.y because he slept with men – he said “no he is not ga.y” the other men are the ga.ys. Watch the interview on youtube amazing interview.
19 Feb 2013, 15:58 pm
Why would she lock the bathroom? Time to get new counsel ,Blade runner.
19 Feb 2013, 16:00 pm
@stormersboy-544:
Sorry, I don’t buy that story.
If I hear anything out of the ordinary during the night my 1st instinct would be to see were my wife and daughter was safe before reacting to anything else.
19 Feb 2013, 16:03 pm
@S_K-561: Many people lock the bathrooms when they go, force of habit, she may still have been a bit shy.
Just saying.
@Jeraldjay-562: That’s fine, I have my own skepticism, but that’s the story they are going with.
19 Feb 2013, 16:06 pm
@stormersboy-563:
Indeed.
No point in destroying the mystique.
19 Feb 2013, 16:08 pm
@gunther-564: There was a story years ago about Cindy Crawford I think it was who used to turn on the taps when she went so no one would hear anything…….
19 Feb 2013, 16:10 pm
@stormersboy-565:
Tapping?
19 Feb 2013, 16:11 pm
@stormersboy-563: And I have zero doubt what you have said here is exactly what Roux and co will be saying in court.
Because however dodgy in this case, it would have the reasonable man thinking it ‘might’ be plausible.
19 Feb 2013, 16:12 pm
@stormersboy-563:
Forensics can see from the angle of the bullets whether he was sitting or standing at the time of shooting.
My guess is he was standing.
19 Feb 2013, 16:13 pm
@stormersboy-563:
The defense will probably milk the fact that his disabled and because of this disability he is vulnerable to intruders.
Good angle and will definitely get the sympathy vote.
19 Feb 2013, 16:14 pm
@stormersboy-563:
It’s a shame this wasn’t a house built by Snoeky in which case the bathroom door wouldn’t have closed anyway.
19 Feb 2013, 16:15 pm
@gunther-570:
19 Feb 2013, 16:17 pm
@gunther-570:
No man.
Snoeky would never demean himself with an interior flush toilet.
He is purely an outhouse excrement expeditor.
19 Feb 2013, 16:18 pm
@gunther-570: Ohdearestsunshine. I do not find any amusement in tragedies such as this, but honestly. That was worth a hidden smile.
19 Feb 2013, 16:22 pm
@Predawn-568: You mean standing or half-standing.
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-567: @Jeraldjay-569: Exactly.
I’m just playing devils advocate (‘scuse the pun) here, but you can see that there is a possibility that this could go Oscar’s way. Unless there is clear evidence that can contradict his version.
@gunther-570: Or he would have disappeared without his 10% builder’s retention leaving the doors off completely.
19 Feb 2013, 16:27 pm
ape Town – The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has issued an apology after one of their radio stations played a song about a man shooting his girlfriend, following a news bulletin updating listeners on Oscar Pistorius’ court hearing, reports news.com.au.
Radio 6 Music ran a news bulletin on Tuesday, updating listeners about Paralympic athlete Oscar Pistorius’ court hearing surrounding his bail charges, following his arrest on 14 February for allegedly shooting and killing girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp at his home in Pretoria.
After the bulletin ended, the DJs played the Jimi Hendrix Experience’s classic hit, Hey Joe.
On-air apology
Song lyrics include: “Hey Joe, where you going with that gun in your hand? I’m going to shoot my old lady, you know I caught her messing around with another man.”
A spokesperson for the BBC said that they realised their mistake immediately and issued an on-air apology.
“In light of the nature of the news story, we apologise for any offence caused by the proximity of the song Hey Joe to the bulletin. An on-air apology was made immediately,” the statement read.
19 Feb 2013, 16:28 pm
@stormersboy-574: The water , she is naaaaaaice lol
19 Feb 2013, 16:28 pm
@Jeraldjay-562:
That’s correct.
There is no mention here that the police was called out to their place earlier that night. That was according to a Sunday newspaper at around 01:30.
Now that is quite serious and deserves a lot more scrutiny. I reckon it must have been pretty hectic for the neighbours to call out the police. How must you feel as the neighbour who perhaps feel now that they could have done more.
The reality is that with the way people live, chances are that they would not want to get too involved.
I’ve read his affidavit and the events do not follow a logical pattern; it is as though someone edited the statement but did not read it over one last time to check its coherence
19 Feb 2013, 16:28 pm
@WP-Forever-572:
Indeed.
The Christopher Wren of the longdrop.
@stormersboy-574:
Doors?
Oyveh who needs doors?
19 Feb 2013, 16:29 pm
@stormersboy-575: I just don’t think Oscar has a leg to stand on.
19 Feb 2013, 16:30 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-548: Hi good lady.Hope you & friends well
19 Feb 2013, 16:38 pm
@ryecatcher-580: Afternoon Rye
I trust you are having a good day? Hope the back is giving you less hassle?
19 Feb 2013, 16:39 pm
@gunther-578:
The Stefan Antoni of Shithouses.
19 Feb 2013, 16:40 pm
@ryecatcher-580:
Have you been punishing the golf course?
19 Feb 2013, 16:42 pm
@Sheriff-577:
The front page of the Cape Times today paints an horrific picture.
It lists all the guns Oscar had requested licences for.
The front page of Die Son has Reeva in a bikini……
19 Feb 2013, 16:45 pm
@WP-Forever-582:
Ja also all concrete and exposed plumbing.
Reminds me of the kitchens at slough comprehensive.
19 Feb 2013, 16:48 pm
@gunther-585:
Less is definitely more.
19 Feb 2013, 16:48 pm
Coenie, Goosen back for Cheetahs
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by Brenden Nel 19 February 2013, 16:26
The Toyota Cheetahs have received a timely boost with the news that both Springboks Coenie Oosthuizen and Johan Goosen will be ready for their Vodacom Super Rugby opener against the Sharks in Bloemfontein.
Oosthuizen, who has been suffering with a back and neck injury, took part in live scrums last week and is set to start off the bench when the team is named on Wednesday for the clash.
Goosen was rested for the pre-season games and did have some discomfort in his foot when kicking, but he has overcome this and will start alongside Piet van Zyl at flyhalf for the big clash.
The Cheetahs, who head off on tour in round two, will desperately want the victory to kickstart their campaign which has so often promised so much but delivered so little for their fans.
And while they may have the two stars back, they will not have the services of Heinrich Brussow, as the loose forward has been ruled out for this weekend’s game but will be fit for the tour and will travel with the Cheetahs next week.
The addition of the two Boks will make a massive difference for the Cheetahs, who struggled in their pre-season but have targeted the Sharks game as a must-win before they go on tour.
“It’s a big game for us,” coach Naka Drotske told supersport.com, “We want the victory to make sure we start on a high note. We can use the momentum as we go on tour next week, so it makes it a very important home game for us.”
There is no doubt the Sharks will arrive as favourites, but with the Cheetahs getting their gamebreaking flyhalf back, much is expected of their backline.
Goosen and Van Zyl are likely to be joined in the backline by Robert Ebersohn and Johan Sadie, while Raymond Rhule, Willie le Roux and Hennie Daniller are likely to round out the back three.
In any circles that would be a very expansive backline that can attack from anywhere, but the Cheetahs will need to look to their age-old problem of losing concentration at crucial times if they are to make an impact in the competition.
The team will be announced on Wednesday.
19 Feb 2013, 16:49 pm
pasop sharks
19 Feb 2013, 16:51 pm
@grant10-587: And which side Coenie playing…
Will be interesting to see him and Beast facing off…
19 Feb 2013, 16:52 pm
@WP-Forever-586:
It’s funny.thats what they used to say about the food as well.
19 Feb 2013, 16:53 pm
@Heavens Game-589: Can pack both….
Hope he comes through strong….that neck is an ongoing concern it seems….at his best a real factor.
19 Feb 2013, 16:54 pm
lambie against Goose will keep me glued…..
19 Feb 2013, 16:54 pm
I think what we are dealing with here is the beginning of a l-o-n-g trial.
The incoming sms is where they dig a bit more. Also, some calls were made immediately after the tragic events. Those witnesses are key; I reckon it may well have been one of these indivs who suggested the ‘intruder theory’
Now that theory is part of the official submission so you cannot go back on that.
But when confronted with the possibility of an intruder, the 1st thing you would do as a boyfriend is to protect your princess, especially considering that they were madly in love. Your gut feel would be to say: this is my future wife and possibly mother of my kids. Whatever your thoughts you want to secure her first and then deal with the threat.
Instead he did the opposite.
Why did he not notice that she went to the bathroom? It cannot be because he went to close the sliding door, if he did not have his legs on it would not be better to ask her to do so quickly, at least quicker than him. It is upstairs after all.
And then: why did she have to lock the door of the toilet? Clearly this points to someone protecting herself. Surely before firing one would say: honey/sweetie are you in there? No doubt she would have said: yes, yes!! and then he would have proceeded to defend his castle and princess.
His version of events unintentionally confirms that her safety was not his primary goal. That is why it occurred to him only later that she must have been in the toilet.
Nowhere is it stated that he got a visual of the intruder. It follows then that is even more the reason why he should just check before firing away.
19 Feb 2013, 16:55 pm
@grant10-591:
He can’t that’s the problem.
Playing Doedpoes at tighthead is going to end his career.
19 Feb 2013, 16:59 pm
@gunther-594:
Whose career, Beast?
19 Feb 2013, 17:02 pm
@gunther-594: seems that way….
19 Feb 2013, 17:02 pm
@gunther-594: Yes he’ll get folded like spagetti at th.
19 Feb 2013, 17:03 pm
@grant10-591: hi boet…
” Hope he comes through strong….that neck
is an ongoing concern it seems….at his best
a real factor.”
this is what i don’t get…when plod had the same neck/disc injury alarn bells went off & you maintained that he should NEVER be played there again, coenie TWICE has played TH & TWICE been f.cuked on the neck…
why risk his career?
19 Feb 2013, 17:06 pm
@grant10-592: that will be fascinating .my money will be on the goose to win the battle of the tens.the goose is the more complete ten of the two.
19 Feb 2013, 17:08 pm
Seems the Kings can’t stay out of the news
19 Feb 2013, 17:08 pm
Spying allegations against the Southern Kings
Spying allegations against the Southern Kings
It has been brought to our attention that there is an article that has been written wherein it is alleged that the Southern Kings have been caught spying on the Western Force in the build up to Super Rugby.
Director of Rugby, Alan Solomons, would like to make it absolutely clear that the Southern Kings team management have no knowledge of the event.
“I want to make it clear that it is not our policy to spy on our opposition,” he said.
Solomons said the Southern Kings had received a request from the Western Force management team requesting a change in venue, and were doing everything in their power to accommodate them.
“We have asked our Vodacom Rugby squad to move their training session earlier on Thursday, and will be making our own training fields at the Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium available to them,” he said.
Solomons said the Kings would also be making provision from a security perspective, to ensure that the Western Force training sessions were kept private.
“We would also like to remind the general public that these training sessions are in fact closed sessions, and, while we understand that there is a lot of excitement at having international super rugby teams here for the first time, we would like to encourage the public to respect the Western Force’s privacy at this time,” he said.
19 Feb 2013, 17:14 pm
@Transformation-598: Os and the doctors seem to think he will cope……
not sure Coenie and Plod are comparable…….Plod was basically just accomodated….at a very late stage of his career…very different toCoenie…
I do agree though….he seems vulnerable at 3….which is sad because fark knows we cant keep playing Jannie Dup into the ground like last year…hopefully Malherbe and Cilliers will also step up
19 Feb 2013, 17:18 pm
Pat Cilliers may prove himself to be a great TH this season and may displace Jannie come June.
It’s his to take now that he has a decent pack of forwards and team behind him.
19 Feb 2013, 17:31 pm
@stormersboy-603: I hope so….getting in ahead of both Brock and Malherbe speaks volumes already.
19 Feb 2013, 17:34 pm
@nortierd-601:
hahaha
Transie standing over the fence with his farlookers.
19 Feb 2013, 17:34 pm
@grant10-604: Yes he was taking the lead at practice.
They have good depth now in front. The problem is now more at LH. Brok is a fair TH, but not a good LH. I hope that’s not what Ac has in mind.
19 Feb 2013, 17:36 pm
@grant10-604:
look the real test will be getting in ahead of Brock in the chow line.
19 Feb 2013, 17:41 pm
@nortierd-601: I believe that to be true. Scumbuckets running the queens will lie, cheat and steal at any opportunity.
19 Feb 2013, 17:42 pm
@stormersboy-606: Carstens ?? A decent loosehead…..
@gunther-607: Gotta have balls to try that …
19 Feb 2013, 17:43 pm
cilliers may prove to be a better 3 than Brock….but at 10 Brock has few peers
19 Feb 2013, 17:47 pm
@grant10-609: Yes, but AC has been messing around with the Brokster at 1 a bit.
19 Feb 2013, 17:48 pm
@grant10-610: That is true!
19 Feb 2013, 18:07 pm
@nortierd-601: “alleged that the Southern Kings have been caught spying on the Western Force in the build up to Super Rugby”
Hehe, like kids learning basic of s-e-x by peeping shenanigans of adults.
19 Feb 2013, 18:12 pm
@gunther-605:
19 Feb 2013, 18:13 pm
@polaris-613:
Lol, anything for them to sell newspapers
19 Feb 2013, 18:14 pm
Out of interest why did you never post an article like this while the oak was alive? LMFAO
19 Feb 2013, 18:19 pm
@wls1-616:
Because he was a big big tree.
and keo was a small axe.
(sharp and ready)
19 Feb 2013, 18:20 pm
@gunther-583: cow pattie bunkers
nogal
19 Feb 2013, 18:21 pm
@ryecatcher-618: Moving 31 march.I destroy golf.
19 Feb 2013, 18:24 pm
@stormersboy-603: Hi Pal.Now that he is a Stormer he is a Bok prospect.Regards
19 Feb 2013, 18:25 pm
@gunther-617: From a tiny oak a mighty oak will grow.
19 Feb 2013, 18:26 pm
Oak = oke
19 Feb 2013, 18:31 pm
@ryecatcher-621:
@ryecatcher-622:
19 Feb 2013, 18:36 pm
Any of you ever hear what happened to Velis Visagie? Something to keep in mind when convicting Oscar in the court of public opinion.
By the way, if Oscar if found not-guilty, then I would hate to be Nike and Oakley. Both have rescinded sponsorship deals with a man who has not been found guilty. He could sue them for billions.
19 Feb 2013, 18:51 pm
@ryecatcher-620: haha yes indeed.
It’s the big time for Pat.
19 Feb 2013, 19:27 pm
Did anyone see Oscar’s Nike ad, ‘I’m the bullet in the barrel’? Saw it in the Sunday Times…
19 Feb 2013, 19:37 pm
You know, I just can’t see Oscar being overcome with fear and panic. Now, if it was Spies, it would be another matter.
19 Feb 2013, 19:44 pm
why have verkykers if i can’t use them?
19 Feb 2013, 19:49 pm
ffs all they were doing was run plays off sias for nick cummings between mbhiyozob& luke they will shut that channel down…the Force are kak bang period!
19 Feb 2013, 19:56 pm
Hahaha,so they can’t chase down a bloke carrying a camera and a tripod! I can only foresee problems for the force on Saturday
19 Feb 2013, 20:06 pm
@mxhosa-626: is Sergeal Petersen from the Xhosa rugby playing tribe? As was reported by the convict press.
19 Feb 2013, 20:33 pm
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The British Lions tour of Australia is already being billed as the most successful ever with fans after organisers said the last tickets for the three Tests had sold out within 15 minutes.
Four months before a ball is kicked, the final seats available for the Brisbane (June 22), Melbourne (June 29) and Sydney (July 6) Tests were all snapped up on Monday.
The last time the Lions toured Australia, in 2001, a record 300 000 spectators watched the nine games, but Australian Rugby Union boss Bill Pulver is predicting that figure will easily be beaten over the same number of matches this year.
“Right now, I can almost tell you definitely this will be the most successful Lions tour ever,” Pulver told The Australian newspaper on Tuesday.
“This might be a bold move, but it’s possible we could sell 400 000 tickets this time around.
“Our allocations for the three Test matches and the Waratahs game (June 15 at the, Sydney Football Stadium) are completely gone and there is already terrific activity among all the other games.
“Right now this is shaping up to be a phenomenally successful tour in terms of attendance.”
The Queensland Reds-Lions tie at Brisbane’s Suncorp Stadium on June 8 presently is tracking at about 40 000 tickets sold, just 12 000 short of capacity.
The Lions will also play tour games in Perth on June 5, Newcastle on June 11, Canberra on June 18 and Melbourne on June 25.
Australian rugby is counting a financial windfall to help pay for a series of initiatives aired at a board meeting in Sydney on Monday to try to boost the union code down under where Australian rules and Rugby League dominate.
“It’s a great thing for the ARU in terms of the revenue that will come from this tour,” Pulver said.
“And so it should. This is one of the most iconic teams in the game globally.
“It only happens once every 12 years and clearly this tour resonates beautifully with our rugby community.”
The Lions haven’t won a series since their 1997 tour of South Africa.
SK looking like an eedjit.
19 Feb 2013, 20:45 pm
Have there been some staff changes here at keo.co.za?
I see some unfamiliar names here and Mark writing quite a few of the articles
19 Feb 2013, 20:48 pm
@Sheriff-633: It’s just Mark and Richard, who runs Sharksworld.
19 Feb 2013, 20:50 pm
@RL-631: bwahahahaha sergeal pietersen tl tl tl this domkop westrand guppy sper.m bank is funny
19 Feb 2013, 20:50 pm
@stormersboy-634:
Are you saying that Ryan, Jon C and Gareth left the site?
I was not aware of that?
19 Feb 2013, 20:56 pm
@Transformation-635: how exactly is “mbhiyozob” going to shut that channel down – from the stands with his farlookers.
Ai my little @(-_-)@
19 Feb 2013, 20:58 pm
” Oscar took stand against abuse – Mbalula ”
Oskar must have lied then for his murder of Steenkamp has to be a million times worse than mere “abuse”.
He could not have had his ‘legs’ with him to make /take that stand.
New meanings have to be created for the word disgusting, if that headline is to be considered accurate.
Is the ANC government so desperate for money and votes from a sector of Pretorians?
How ugly must that headline come across in view of the pistol assault Pistorius visited upon his slain victim?
19 Feb 2013, 20:59 pm
@Sheriff-636: The site was bought by HSM some years ago with Mark being a pretty big part of the setup there. Mark recently left HSM, taking his site back with him but leaving the minions behind to their own devices. They have subsequently started SARugby.co.za who it seems will compete directly with Keo.
You should have received a marketing email from them promoting the new site. They have Keo’s database of registered users, something Keo didn’t get in the divorce.
19 Feb 2013, 21:00 pm
@Sheriff-636: go to sarugbymag.co.za
19 Feb 2013, 21:07 pm
when are Lions playing their Test match vs Namibia?
19 Feb 2013, 21:08 pm
The Steenkamp family cremated their daughter today so where is the expected sympathy of a Minister in the government with such an insensitive statement in view of how their daughter met her brutal demise just a few days ago?
They say every dog gets its day, even you Fikile, the poster boy of the burst condom syndrome community.
19 Feb 2013, 21:11 pm
Ask “mbhiyozob” he will be there sitting the stands with his camera – getting intel for Pukey
19 Feb 2013, 21:22 pm
@Mostofyou-642: are you going to bang this drum all night ping?
19 Feb 2013, 21:23 pm
@RL-643: has the Kings’ team been released? that could be the only reason you crowing.
so when is the “test”? i want to PVR it
19 Feb 2013, 21:28 pm
Oom Louis didn’t need coke to pump himself up. Adrenaline was enough for the old war horse. He single-handedly took charge of the professionalization of SA rugby.
19 Feb 2013, 21:30 pm
@Transformation-645: nc nc nc you know full well that team was announced – acting all duplicitious with your “mbhiyozob” going to make them bang remark
19 Feb 2013, 21:32 pm
why is mostofyou being selective in his quotes?
Paralympian Oscar Pistorius is opposed to
abuse, Sports Minister Fikile Mbalula said
on Tuesday.
“We live in a world where we seek to build
role models who can be exemplary to our
society and youth,” he said in a statement.
“For that, Oscar has been our torch-bearer
and an international icon who stood against
human rights abuses.”
He said he had been shocked to learn that
the “Blade Runner” was facing murder
charges after the fatal shooting of his
girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp.
She was killed at Pistorius’ home in Pretoria
on Thursday and a private funeral
ceremony was held in her hometown of
Port Elizabeth earlier on Tuesday.
Mbalula condemned acts of violence against
women and children.
“None of the country’s sports heroes and
heroines should be associated with acts of
violence,” he said.
Mbalula said there were still many
questions, but the law would take its
course.
“We will only get answers when our capable
criminal justice system concludes its work.
The process is now entirely in [its] hands…
We strongly believe that no one is above
the law.”
Pistorius brought an application for bail in
the Pretoria Magistrate’s Court on Tuesday.
The State said it would try and make a case
of premeditated murder against him.
Pistorius has claimed that he mistook
Steenkamp for an intruder.
The application continues on Wednesday. -
Sapa
at what point is this supposed to upset the Steenkamps?
19 Feb 2013, 21:39 pm
@Transformation-648: because he was only ever second best at ping pong.
belay that.
maybe top 20 at best.
19 Feb 2013, 21:41 pm
i see you’re getting desperate to sound funny redpunani…i hadn’t seen the team. now that i have i see cornel du preez is playing openside…
19 Feb 2013, 21:44 pm
@Transformation-650: hmm…you mean it isnt beamed into ec kings 10?
19 Feb 2013, 21:44 pm
My little @(-_-)@
For the record it is Sergeal Petersen not Pietersen as you say you idiot.
And it is Mbhiyozo not ” mbhiyozob” you dumasss transformer.
19 Feb 2013, 21:46 pm
@RL-647: ” acting
all duplicitious with your “mbhiyozob” going
to make them bang remark”
lol you are clearly bored now that your surrendermonkeys are cooling their jets playing Test match rugga
19 Feb 2013, 21:46 pm
@RL-631:
Xhosa rugby playing tribe? Who the hell are they?
19 Feb 2013, 21:47 pm
@YoMama-624: Vleis Visagie would’ve been guilty of a crime (if a charge against him had been pursued to finality), but he was both perpetrator & (one of the) victims. The charge against Vleis was withdrawn on compassionate grounds, & I believe correctly so. Killing your own child (by mistake) is a terrible ordeal & of itself far more than ample punishment. Civilised society demands no more than punishment commensurate with the severity of the crime. Hence the charge was withdrawn. Vleis & Oscar’s cases only appear to be similar, but in fact they are not. In Vleis’s case the facts were not in dispute, the shooting was obviously a case of mistaken identity & a horrible tragedy, & he was charged with culpable homicide (murder would’ve stuck, if preferred, imo). In Oscar’s case the facts are in dispute & the prosecution is preferring a charge of murder (by premeditation) – a very serious crime.
Visagie’s case is not in point & distinguishable from that of Pistorius.
**
“He could sue them for billions.”
Really? Billions? You’ve had insight into those contracts & can therefore quantify such potential claims to such astronomical levels?
19 Feb 2013, 21:56 pm
@The Rangerman-651: i was inbetween exercises when i posted about verkykers in reply to gunther but hey when your team are playing the likes of russia being a hawk over banter becomes interesting
you guppys deserve the rabied lion hehehe
i see most stormers fans are relieved the filth has decide to creep up ur cloacas now.
19 Feb 2013, 21:57 pm
kEOA lance tilted for UFO.Your best and most loyal post er
who has been hounded out of here ,not by your comments but
by your attitude.
Now heres the thing,a s my baptisi minister used to preface
each sermon.
Every comment you make is pr esented as fact.No room for debate.
T his is arrogance in th e ext reme.
There are brilliantly clever posters on this site.They are not children.
Enter into debates with them.(English & Afrikaans)But do not try to force your opinion on them as faits accomplis..This is called “engaging=in dialogue”
19 Feb 2013, 21:58 pm
The more things change, the more they stay the same
Johannesburg – Toulon lock Bakkies Botha has been cited for a shoulder charge on Montpellier wing Yoan Audrin.
According to the supersport.com website, the former Springbok lock will face a disciplinary committee on March 5 after taking out Audrin without the ball during Toulon’s 51-6 victory over Montpellier at Stade Felix Mayol last weekend.
In a bizarre twist of events, Audrin was shown a yellow card for (involuntarily) clattering into Toulon scrumhalf Nicolas Durand in the air after being bumped off course by Botha, whose enormous frame obscured the referee’s view.
The match was just Botha’s second game back after a long layoff following surgery on a fractured eye socket.
19 Feb 2013, 21:59 pm
@mxhosa-654: uqhunyiwe lo utyiwa ngumona qha kuba lavobe weqela alilandelayo likhiqiwe
19 Feb 2013, 22:01 pm
@nortierd-658: i watched that game…very entertaining…toulon were on fire going into halftime leading 29 – 6…
gits was in his element.
19 Feb 2013, 22:04 pm
@stormersboy-625: Good player.
Big loss to us.Please ase Skop to update his re cords.
19 Feb 2013, 22:05 pm
@Transformation-659:
Ayinguye yedwa, uninzi lalamadlagusha luziveza elubala ba abafuni nanto edidibene nabantu abamnyama…
19 Feb 2013, 22:07 pm
@Transformation-656: s hostile?
whats wrong transie, tell the ranger?
@ryecatcher-657: howdy rye, hope you are well.
i see keo wants me to email him with luyts contributions to sarugby
looks like he didnt enjoy the mirror being held up.
19 Feb 2013, 22:08 pm
@Sheriff-636: As a lawman tats shameful pal.Ear to the ground eh.
19 Feb 2013, 22:09 pm
tata = thats(freudian)
19 Feb 2013, 22:11 pm
@Transformation-660:
They are typical French, one day hot, the next cold.
It’s the influx of SH players that make it enjoyable.
Lucky for us, the rugby proper starts Friday, last week end was just the appetizer.
19 Feb 2013, 22:14 pm
@mxhosa-654: that comes from an aussie report about the kings first game vs the force
it was quite amusing.
but truth be told, my mate works on a perlemoen farm in haga haga and he reckons the staff often turn up with rugby injuries after a weekends rugby match on a dusty township field.
they are rugby befok according to him and given time they might surprise a lot of people.
19 Feb 2013, 22:15 pm
KEO.
Hi keo,am not usually a pamphleteer or poster.,but here goes.
In support of UFO.The best poster you have ever has who supported this
site through thick and thin.What a mealy mouthed reply to loyalty.
19 Feb 2013, 22:21 pm
@The Rangerman-667:
Who will surprise a lot of people? The Kings or the rugby befok Xhosa tribe from Haga Haga?
19 Feb 2013, 22:23 pm
@mxhosa-669: black rugby loving people from the ec.
you also feeling a bit sensitive tonight?
19 Feb 2013, 22:24 pm
Here is a cool site!
http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/
19 Feb 2013, 22:26 pm
sheesh it looks like some people just want to argue.
personally i am so chilled i cant find it in myself tonight.
off to mozam on thursday morning. now those black people are definitely not rugby befok.
19 Feb 2013, 22:27 pm
@ryecatcher-657: i actually don’t get this recent feigned indignation by some. keo has always presented his opinions ss HIS eg
www. keo.co.za/2011/08/26/end-of-an-error/
he never debated with us the merits & demerits of pdv or jake or straueli and now even luyt!
19 Feb 2013, 22:31 pm
@Transformation-673: ja, the pub is open to all and we arent censored like that piece of tu r d silverfern
hell even the kiwis who come here find it hard at first but eventually let their inner poopsie out
19 Feb 2013, 22:31 pm
@The Rangerman-667: did you see Forza (Fort Hare) beat pdv’s UWC gister? boyties
19 Feb 2013, 22:33 pm
@RL-631: How is your new buddy,Sharkslover doing? Just ,quickly,look down your leg.
19 Feb 2013, 22:35 pm
@Transformation-675: i didnt bud but well done to them.
luckily the place i am going in mozam has dstv but we will be on the water most of the day, every day, so i may only get highlights of a lot of the sport.
luckily its a long season!
19 Feb 2013, 22:35 pm
@The Analyst-671: as dead as rt.
19 Feb 2013, 22:35 pm
@The Rangerman-670:
LOL! EC people have always been rugby befok, that’s why 70% (thumb suck) of black rugby players are from this region. And no am not feeling sensitive, just wanted to be sure. I’m quite happy actually. An English tootball team is being taken apart at home…
19 Feb 2013, 22:36 pm
@S_K-676: how are your irish masters treating you boyo?
19 Feb 2013, 22:40 pm
@mxhosa-679: ja look my point was that the kings can be a catalyst.
personally they will get short shrift from me when they play the sharks.
my advice to kings fans is buckle up, its gonna be bumpy so forget all the politics and focus on finding reasons to be happy with your team, win or lose, because without consistent support they wont be around long.
19 Feb 2013, 22:41 pm
ok, i am out.
have a good evening all.
19 Feb 2013, 22:43 pm
Danger
Are you going divingin Mozambique?
19 Feb 2013, 22:48 pm
@cab-683: howzit cab, ja we are spearfishing for 8 days.
in paradise.
19 Feb 2013, 22:48 pm
@ryecatcher-668: Hi Rye, did Keo reply to UFO? If so I must’ve missed it, do you know around what time it was?
19 Feb 2013, 22:49 pm
@The Rangerman-681:
Not with the team they put out. Cheers…
19 Feb 2013, 22:49 pm
gotta sleep cabbie, laters man.
19 Feb 2013, 22:56 pm
Yes beautiful waters there – later.
19 Feb 2013, 22:56 pm
@mxhosa-679: lol @ the gooners
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I admire those Arsenal fans who
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19 Feb 2013, 23:02 pm
Pasop Francois Hougaard.
Today’s Star quotes an unnamed weapons expert describing the Vector .223 rifle, one of the six licences Oscar Pistorius applied for last month…
“You would use it for shooting springbok at long distance – it’s perfect for that.”
#ironic
19 Feb 2013, 23:09 pm
@Transformation-689:
LOL! The English are a funny bunch, they believe that everytime they go to a major champioship, they can actually win…
19 Feb 2013, 23:09 pm
keo
You seriously went OTT in this little piece. And as previous posters have said, would you have posted this as a tribute to Louis Luyt while he was still alive? And have permittted Luyt the courtesy of a reply?
We all know the answer to that one.
You said “He was a clever man but he lacked introspection because of insecurities in not having a high schooling”. Did you know that he was an internationally reknowned arbitration lawyer? Do your homework, Mark. and deserving of the doctorate.
Did you know he was the chief negotiator for Sanzar in securing the $555 million contract with Newscorp that changed the rugby landscape for ever? Did you know that Newscorp agreed on $550 million but Luyt pushed for the extra $5 million? Just because he could, he said afterwards.
Now, Louis Luyt was not everybody’s cup of tea. He was bombastic, boorish, dominating, self-serving yes – but he got things done.
Just ask the Lions supporters whether they would like a young Louis Luyt at the helm or the current set-up. Both you and I know the answer to that one. And yet, in your opinion he did nothing for rugby. Louis Luyt left the Lions R80 million to the good – a year ago, they were R80 million in the hole.
By the way, did you take the trouble to read his autobiography? If not, I think you should.
Seeing as you didn’t meet him personally.
19 Feb 2013, 23:17 pm
great article, Keo, thanks for telling it like it is! Hope they wrapped Luyt in the old flag & told him to vokkof
19 Feb 2013, 23:31 pm
@drew-693:
Louis Luyt owed you money, didn’t he?
Thought so!
19 Feb 2013, 23:37 pm
Search your hearts, Saffers. You know that LL and his brethren did what had to be done for The Cause. Who was behind the poisoning of the All Blacks at that tainted World Cup? And, do you secretly approve?
19 Feb 2013, 23:47 pm
@Transformation-648:
What will be the take home message of that headline(City Press)?
How many more people read the article than the mere headline?
If you do not arrive at a negative figure then you have wasted my time. But then again have you honoured the maths. and chemical sciences requirements of a chemical engineer?
As for your buddy his shuttlecock is so short(thanks to his Scottish and thus European claims) that he would not know the difference between the game of badminton and the one he wrongly refers to(not worth a waste).
It is good enough for him to be so proud his daughter will never be black(his words) in her land of birth.
20 Feb 2013, 00:34 am
Oh dear the huffing Huffington tribe have spoken
Have they spoken with their fleet huffing feet flexing their sanctimonious muscles showing solidarity to all hard done by affected affiliates of the last bombastic dictator to wear the vierkleur in defiance so desperately?
20 Feb 2013, 00:49 am
@skopdiekan-697:
Be careful criticizing someone, they might compare your achievemants with his
And he achieved a bit more in live than you, he was a millionaire at forty and ran rugby for a few
20 Feb 2013, 00:58 am
What a lot of drivel. The rants of a bitter man. This is one of the poorest pieces of journalism I have ever read.
20 Feb 2013, 01:01 am
You make the grave mistake of thinking achievement is measured in money or fame or fortune. Where all that money fame and fortune helping anyone now all that’s left is his own conscience and some rotting decaying bones.
20 Feb 2013, 01:08 am
Not a great piece of journalism granted, slighting the dead could be classed as poor form or cowardly repercussions unless they were perhaps slighting Mussolini or Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot then their slight might carry some validation
20 Feb 2013, 01:16 am
@skopdiekan-700:
So you’ve never done anything wrong?
Must successful businessmen end up in the hot place rather than playing harp on a cloud anyway
20 Feb 2013, 01:16 am
One of Keo’s worst pieces. With the similarly terrible “Why winning isn’t everything” (designed to gloss over the Kings anticipated weekly humiliations) Keo is on a role.
20 Feb 2013, 01:25 am
@ShaunB-703:
> Keo is on a role.
Role it is, the role of Political Commissar to the Kings and reporting to Comrade Godfather Cheeky
20 Feb 2013, 01:31 am
The comp hasn’t even started and already the Kings are embroiled in controversy.
Accused by the Force of spying.
What next?
20 Feb 2013, 01:40 am
Success isn’t measured in money that where so many ardent ambitions get it so palpably wrong
Ask the likes of Brett Kebble Hansie Cronje Oscar Pistorious in retrospect if they’re as proud of their ambitious achievements after all that chasing money brought them so much success. Or they still singing with Frank Sinatra that they so proudly did it ‘My Way’?
20 Feb 2013, 01:41 am
Ditto for Louis Luyt
20 Feb 2013, 01:52 am
@skopdiekan-706:
How do You measure it?
20 Feb 2013, 01:57 am
Ask your conscience how it should be measured what represents a meaningful fulfillment of life. Kebble Hansie Pistorious etc would trade places with a meaningless nobody in a jiffy after all the chase for success brought them so much untold misery.
20 Feb 2013, 02:03 am
@skopdiekan-709:
Maybe at the end but not at the peak of their careers
20 Feb 2013, 02:06 am
@skopdiekan-706:
> in retrospect if they’re as proud of their ambitious achievements after all that chasing money brought them so much success. Or they still singing with Frank Sinatra that they so proudly did it ‘My Way’
Rather ask guys like Rupert, Kerzner, Whitey Basson or Steve Booysen if they’re proud of their achievements
20 Feb 2013, 02:06 am
It’s like how many eulogies of affection will be written about Mugabe after he kicks the bucket. You probably find some damning accounts to his legacy and then some close confidantes and associates may have some complimentary things to say about his longevity and cunning political savvy
20 Feb 2013, 02:11 am
@skopdiekan-712:
There’s a huge difference between a ruthless businessman and a genocidal Dictator
20 Feb 2013, 02:12 am
There will always be heroes and villains on the stages of human accolades and antipathy where humanity need to vilify their ambitious intensity through the activities and heroics of their puppet masters and heroes.
Just that one person’s puppet master hero is another person’s villain and vice versa
20 Feb 2013, 02:41 am
It’s the end that counts not the peak of the career. Its the end game that matters how the life was utilized for benefit and gain or squandered away in vain pursuits of intensive search of material achievements. Only the individual passing through the portal of death is aware of how much or how little success he actually achieved in life.
20 Feb 2013, 04:20 am
@ufo-66: I’m with you mate. I’m also outta here. This is an article written in poor taste. I never like Louis, but to write such an article after his death is not only cowardly, but reflects poorly on the author. It says much, much more about Keo than Luyt.
Gutter journalism comes to mind. What a sad, little man Keo has proven to be, one with a massive insecurity chip on his shoulders. I’m through with this site.
20 Feb 2013, 04:34 am
@keo-133: I’ll tell you why. Because the man is dead. Had you published this before he died, you would have had more credibility in your claim to want to spark debate. However, to publish something like this when the man is dead is cowardly and inappropriate, regardless of your claim to want others to make a counter argument.
Furthermore, as previously pointed out by ufo, such an article shows complete disregard for your bloggers. I, for one, enjoy a good debate, but I won’t get dragged down into debating about the personal characteristics of someone who has just recently died. Complete insensitivity. After all, we’re not talking about a Hitler, or a Stalin…
20 Feb 2013, 04:40 am
Some people here are real two faced.
I can imagine most of you at one time or another have called an individual an idiot or stated that you dont like him then the person dies and all of a sudden you are saying he was a great guy, so nice etc.
20 Feb 2013, 05:03 am
That’s it for me too. Had enough of the cocaine sniffing, ***** pumping liberal’s attention seeking rants. I will personally add a version of your eulogy on a blog somewhere when the day you OD.
20 Feb 2013, 07:04 am
Describing the arch-racist as a “tyrant” is treating him exceedingly kindly. There are many in Cape Town and elsewhere that have more appropriate nouns plus adjectives to truly do the absolute, accurate description of an odious animal.
What no one can deny is that he was a racist to the very core and as dishonest as that breed is to be found.
Apartheid was for the extreme benefit of ‘spoorwee werkers soos hy en anders soos hulle’. From a Jack (maybe even Jill) to a ‘king’.
No one can deny he was a closet Broederbonder and even when he played a less official role in S.A. in the ’90′s his right-hand man, De Beer, was the head of the AfrikanerBond.
Louis the skunk did not pay any price for all the deceit and harm and dishonour he visited on this country.
20 Feb 2013, 07:11 am
Molo Drieballas.
20 Feb 2013, 07:20 am
Keo, Keo , Keo about 10 days ago you delivered a vicious left hook to leave the flock reeling when you knocked their much loved and vaunted ‘verkrampte’ rugby.
Now you give a double knock-out blow with this gem of an exposure of one of their rugby gods. You know they cannot and do not really focus enough to read and, as is to be expected, they even less appreciate the need to truly comprehend the written word.
You will not easily be forgiven for your lack of appreciation of your flock(obviously of backward goats) and do not thus be surprised if the wagons are slowly drawn into a circle for their inner protection.
What may save you is the unshakeable addiction they suffer from, enforced by their inability to understand and manage it.
20 Feb 2013, 07:22 am
Wil jy he(kappie p die ‘e’) dat jou skedel vergruis moet word?
20 Feb 2013, 07:35 am
Drieball you missed your buddies the badminton and table tennis heroes.
20 Feb 2013, 08:52 am
If this was an obituary on Cheeky Watson some these same attitudes of moral indignation and disgust would be clapping hands in uproarious applause..
20 Feb 2013, 09:02 am
@gunther-724: Nah, hard to miss them when they’re in your head 24/7. I would love an invite to one of those tea parties….
Madfuckinghattersbash indeed.
20 Feb 2013, 09:11 am
1. So the author also only does things for his own gain (which is his right)
2. Writes a one sided and negative article (Which is his right)
3. Often condemns people without seeing the other side (Which is his right)
****… Am I now righting about Luyt or the author…
20 Feb 2013, 10:09 am
@Heavens Game-448: Am a rabid
Sharks supporter who enjoys speaking to all people on the rugby
divide.
20 Feb 2013, 10:23 am
@The Rangerman-518: Absolutely
best post on this matter
20 Feb 2013, 10:41 am
@Transformation-673: Hey pal.I actually dont care
What I do care about is his attitude which has led to UFO(a stormers supporter whom i like) leaving the site.
If you like being force fed someone elses opinion,so be it.
20 Feb 2013, 10:47 am
@BrumbiesBoy-685: He did reply.Within +- 50 posts of UFO,s
20 Feb 2013, 11:02 am
@ryecatcher-730: ryecatcher
Like you I’ll miss ufo; he is gentleman with a keen sense of fairness.
Like you I’d be very happy if he would return.
He has departed on a matter of principle, & he is a grown man, fully aware of the consequences of that decision – we must respect and abide that decision.
Circumstances may change, and he may or may not return, who knows?
At least he did not leave in a fit of egotistical pique (as some do), but out of concern for decency & fairness. Respect & accept that.
There is an open door policy here – anyone can come & go, & virtually say what they please.
That’s why this site is so popular.
At least if ufo were to return, he’ll likely do so proudly under his own nick, “ufo”, not surreptitiously like some others.
{life goes on}
20 Feb 2013, 11:49 am
@ryecatcher-731: Thanks Rye, will check it out.
20 Feb 2013, 12:16 pm
@ryecatcher-668: Yeah, I found it thanks (#133 for my future reference).
Pointless replying to it though as the damage has already been done.
Startibartfast was also a good oke.
20 Feb 2013, 22:41 pm
Compare this well written, balanced and respectful article by New Zealander Tony Johnstone -
As for Louis Luyt, well at the peak of his powers Louis was a somewhat villainous figure in the eyes of New Zealanders, as he was, at times I’m sure, to many South Africans.
He was seen as a power broker behind the Cavaliers tour that caused so much division in the NZ game, and after rising to the top of South African Rugby, and playing such a role in making the 1995 RWC tournament such a historic success, Louis put noses out of joint with some less than diplomatic comments at the post-tournament dinner following South Africa’s epic win over the All Blacks.
Roll forward to Cape Town 2001 when I made two significant purchases. One was a bracelet for my new girlfriend…now my wife, the other was a copy of the “unauthorised” Max du Preez biography of Louis Luyt, which I found so utterly fascinating that I read it cover to cover on the flight home.
I discussed the book on my sports spot on the Newstalk radio show with the country’s leading broadcaster, Paul Holmes, who had met and was also fascinated by Louis. Our conversations sparked such interest in the book that a shipment of copies had to be imported into New Zealand.
Armed with information from the book, I set up an interview with Dr Luyt two years later in Durban. I told Holmes (who co-incidentally also died last week) I was going to ask all the tough questions he had failed to ask when he’d interviewed him, on account of him being “seduced” by the charms of his host!
Easier said than done. We arrived at the Luyt home near Durban and were met with such effusive hospitality that I found it nigh impossible to take a hard-line approach. I tried, but he was a master of talking around a curly question without really answering it, and seemed genuinely aggrieved by the suggestion that he was, as so many had claimed, a bully.
Our crew eventually left, having done our interview, cleaned up the platter of delicious sandwiches, drunk fine coffee, politely declined the offer of a beer, chatted to Louis and his lovely wife Adri, and admired his beautiful home. It was a very enjoyable experience and while the hour-long interview was well received back home, I knew that I had been denied the really hard-hitting feature I had gone looking for because I too had found it hard to get past the charming side of Louis Luyt.
Dr Luyt was not perfect. He made plenty of enemies, often with people he’d been close to, and he brought a lot of criticism on himself, but there is also something to admire about what he was able to achieve, especially from such humble beginnings. His role in seeing off the rebel World Rugby Corporation (WRC) should never be understated….it was he who made the most significant move when he made the Springboks an offer they couldn’t refuse, breaking the back of the player-led revolution.
I am just glad that I was able to meet with him, and see the “other” side of him, to be able to put some balance into my perceptions of the man when much of what we had read and heard about him from afar was the controversial stuff.
21 Feb 2013, 09:29 am
This is worst article I have read in many years.
21 Feb 2013, 16:38 pm
When the late Christopher Hitchens wrote an article rejoicing in the death of Rev. Jerry Falwell it was a culmination of many articles slating the man for making comments like “the victims of 9/11 brought their deaths upon themselves” and other such comments. Hitchens was dishing Falwell a spoonful of his own medicine.
Dancing on evils grave can be justified but Keo’s cowardly attack on Luyt cannot ever be justified. Where was his ire when Luyt was alive? Too scared to prod him when he could react. Keo has always suffered from short man syndrome but I never realized he was coward too. Of course their is another obvious difference too Hitchens was an intellectual giant and a talented scribe, Keo is a just a bitter and twisted SA rugby reject and I wonder if his business dealings would survive similar scrutiny?
24 Feb 2013, 05:19 am
Better Luyt than never.
Naah, changed my mind. I’ll rather go with Never.
24 Feb 2013, 06:18 am
He was a crass leader who thrived on the humiliation of others and he caused pain to many people with decisions that were not based on rugby but on his own insecurity and paranoia. There can’t be reward for lacking emotional intelligence and there can never be justification for the chaos.
Think carefully you might be talking about your own achievements here.
24 Feb 2013, 06:36 am
“I liked him but he was not happy.”
What did you like about him, f me you are not the kinda guy I would want to like me. Is this Cheeky talking and you taking notes?
24 Feb 2013, 07:12 am
@WhatIf-32: yeah if you class courage as closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.
24 Feb 2013, 07:26 am
@keo-151: Sound like you got one eye on Oz in case of escape needed. Sucking up to our Jake who is a rising star in Australia. Rising in stature and influence in case you need him in future. You are the ultimate political animal but I do not believe Jake will fall for your overtures again. Once bitten twice shy and all that. You are a boat that will shatter eventually on the sharp rocky shore you created for yourself.
24 Feb 2013, 07:48 am
@jet jungle-742:
Any idiot can see that Jake White is pure class whe it comes to students of the game. As for morons..well you tell me what you consider a good coach.
24 Feb 2013, 07:50 am
Getting on my high horse this morning. Sorry jet. You are quite correct.
24 Feb 2013, 08:06 am
@Predawn-744: No problem I do that a lot and fall of a lot too.;)
24 Feb 2013, 08:29 am
eech…I see Jake’s name and automatically assume another treehugging so called South African is having a go at him.
24 Feb 2013, 09:01 am
@Predawn-746: Tough one that Jake forged in the boiler room of SA sport politics. Had to deal with a lot of **** and still succeeded against the odds.
2 Mar 2013, 04:41 am
@CharlesM-342: Hey Keo most people are just holding the mirror up to the article you have written. A hatchet job if ever I have seen one. An attempt to rewrite history after a man’s death, and unlike you I never really liked the man myself. Just think what spindoctor/writer can do with your history once you’re not there to protect yourself anymore.
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