Why winning isn’t everything
20 Feb 2013
MARK KEOHANE, in his Business Day Sport Monthly column, says we live in a miracle country and it’s time we started appreciating the miracle of sport.
Sport is entertainment and it is also about effort. A fixation with just the result is going to lead to a lot of heartache.
It wasn’t that long ago when South Africa wasn’t allowed to compete internationally. Familiarity breeds contempt and irrationally so.
Feel good about the joy of indulging in the performance of South Africans, who are among the best ever produced in their respective codes.
We put huge pressure on our performers to produce every time, but the fans and the media have as much of a responsibility in their performance post match.
We also need to grow up and show some perspective to the effort of the individual or team and give credit to the quality of the opposition. There are times when they just are better and they actually win and we actually lose.
For those who are inspired to live in this country only when South Africa wins, take some responsibility for your own emotions. Similarly, don’t blame a poor SA performance for your depression. No player is losing deliberately and no national player should be subjected to the hate and vitriol published on Twitter.
It sickens me that people can actually feel a justification in the abuse and believe they are owed something by the player and that the player has a responsibility to ensure their happiness. The abuse is disgusting and can never be justified. There is so much to applaud and there is a generation of South African performer that is the best ever produced in this country. What a privilege it is to watch them at their peak.
Look beyond the need for a winning result and imagine South Africa being in sporting isolation. It is pathetic how fans think players are there to instil nationalism. Go do that yourself and start enjoying the sport and keep perspective.
There is life the next day and sport always gives your team or the individual a chance to get it right or to flop.
It is an honour to play for one’s country, but it is not a crime to lose and supporters need to take their insecurity and deal with it.
In the days of isolation we never played anyone and never lost. So we allowed ourselves to believe we were the best in everything. The reality is we are not the best in all things sport and that does not deserve the crassness I read on Twitter.
I get irritated with a lot of our sports media coverage, especially in newsprint. It is always all or nothing, as if every win defines the miracle of this country and defeat brings the possibility of doom. Inspire me with a solution instead of repeating what I saw on television 24 hours earlier and what I have read on the Internet a day earlier.
The media is more guilty than the fans in the buzz and the blowout. I have been as guilty as anyone at times of my career so I certainly don’t preach from a pedestal of purity, but rather from a place of apology.
The daily sports media though need to get a grip and invest in some perspective.
An example was the Proteas ODI series defeat against New Zealand. The Proteas did not play well but the game was apparently in crisis after the series defeat and the euphoria of being the best Test team in the world a few days earlier was an afterthought.
The hysteria was excessive, just like the condemnation and ridicule of New Zealand’s tour only a few days earlier. Appreciate the players and the fact that it’s not you out there on days when all is failing save the potency of the opponent.
There’s an added spice when you know you are watching a performer unrivalled in their field and at the peak of their performance.
The South African bowling attack gives me that sense of awe. Hashim Amla and Jacques Kallis evoke a similar emotion and Graeme Smith is just never going to get the reward for his effort. No other Test captain in the history of the game has achieved as much.
Smith, having gone past 100 Test matches as captain, still has his doubters. Give him a break. There is a serious projection of insecurity and delusion among many of the South African fans in the way they react to the players.
A guy like Smith must be judged on how he plays and not for how his gum chewing may irk you. It is massive what he has achieved yet there are so many who burden him with not wearing enough flags on his T-shirt and not being proudly South African.
This is sport. Nationalism looks after itself and it can’t be all taken from the player’s performance. We owe the player the simple courtesy of a dignified interaction that does not start with an attack on his mother’s hair colour and outright abuse.
Grow up you trolls or inspire with your cleverness.
Oh, and one last thing, why the obsession with having to feel the need to retire great players at the start of a season because they are supposedly blocking the path of a 21-year-old?
Give the more mature form players the necessary respect. They’ve earned the right through performance to a bit of loyalty. Our rugby players offer the promise of silverware in Super Rugby but the enjoyment must also be in the performance.
Bafana, in African soccer’s big bi-annual one, were brave and belligerent in a tournament I hoped they could win but never quite had the conviction to believe it was possible. They lost in the quarter-finals on penalties, which was a cruel yet also a dignified exit for the hosts. Dignified in it allowed us to dream of what could have been without confronting the reality of what would most likely have been had they advanced to the semi-final or final.
Bafana played with passion and the support of a nation was a boost, but there are limitations to the current side and the desire to associate with success should also not be confused with the expectation that if they don’t win a tournament they have failed.
Equally our Super Rugby teams.
– This article first appeared in the March issue of Business Day Sport Monthly, which is distributed FREE with the newspaper on the second last Friday of every month.
1,128 Comments
19 Feb 2013, 22:43 pm
Yes and no.
Winning is the goal of competitive sport irrespective of how we look at it.
Losing against better opponents has no shame, unfortunately it is followed up by blaming the ref, coach, TMO, cheating by the opposition etc.
I don’t agree that winning is not everything, but would rather ask that we lose with dignity, and here I am referring to the spectators and not the players.
19 Feb 2013, 22:59 pm
Keo these players get obscene amounts of money. We pay to watch them, whether on tv or at the stadium. We cheer when they perform well and we have a right berate them when they don’t. Cause they aint doing it for free. If I pay R200 to get into a nightclub, the DJ better make me dance…
19 Feb 2013, 23:02 pm
@mxhosa-2:
“If I pay R200 to get into a nightclub, the DJ better make me dance…”
Love that line
19 Feb 2013, 23:11 pm
@mxhosa-2: bandz a make her dance!
19 Feb 2013, 23:19 pm
@Transformation-4:
These chics clapping and they aint using hands! My favourite song in 2012.
19 Feb 2013, 23:23 pm
To be honest, with the articles regarding the Kings being so prominent in the last few days, I can’t shake the feeling that the title to this piece and the timing thereof is aimed at them, and the probability that they won’t be winning to much.
Of course, I might be wrong, but it will definately have bearing on them.
20 Feb 2013, 00:19 am
Keo’s double-dosed his Prozac prescription… slagging off dead-men one minute… introspection the next…
P.S. this phenomena above is a world-wide scenario… not an indigenous one…
20 Feb 2013, 00:31 am
@bryce_in_oz-7:
> Keo’s double-dosed his Prozac prescription
He’s infected with the Watson virus
First he slags late old Louis Luyt(as much an A grade ars.ehole as Luke) straight out of the Poestoor Cheeky struggle handbook, and now he’s making excuses for the Entitlement Kings
He was more fun full of booze and coke with his pipes cleaned by hookers
20 Feb 2013, 00:38 am
Why winning isn’t everything
aka
“Why whining about the past while cashing in at the present is much more important”
3 mil here(Puke) and a Range Rover(Cheeky) there and Bob’s(actually Gideon Sam isn’t it Keo?)your uncle
20 Feb 2013, 00:56 am
Markies stirring his consciousness a little whatever it takes to rouse a slumbering conscience to evoke some little reaction for a hope and a prayer cause.
20 Feb 2013, 01:12 am
One of Keo’s worst pieces.
20 Feb 2013, 01:54 am
Scared this might happen again?
http://www.iol.co.za/sport/newlands-faithful-boo-watson-1.597676?ot=inmsa.ArticlePrintPageLayout.ot
20 Feb 2013, 01:56 am
Remember this one?
http://keo.co.za/2007/08/24/cheeky-snubs-boks/comment-page-1/#comments
20 Feb 2013, 04:32 am
@ShaunB-11:
Why?
I thought most of it was spot on.
It seems whatever Keo writes these days some people are not happy.
Seriously if you come here to just cry about Keos and his writing….. why bother turning up? Unless you come here for the great in sight of us Kiwis
20 Feb 2013, 04:55 am
the quality of this article is something to behold.very very impressive and we need plenty mire articles like this.
speaking if which, what happened to all the writers from last year?
20 Feb 2013, 06:08 am
Is that a soccer web site now?
Or just that Keo’s Landlords told him to drop a word in support of the ‘People’s Sport’
Sound that way,
anyway
winning isn’t every thing, it’s the ONLY thing
20 Feb 2013, 06:36 am
“They lost in the quarter-finals on penalties, which was a cruel yet also a dignified exit for the hosts. Dignified in it allowed us to dream of what could have been without confronting the reality of what would most likely have been had they advanced to the semi-final or final.”
What exactly does this mean? Are you saying that you were expecting them to lose and that they really did well to only lose on penalties because they would have been murdered in the semi and/or final? WTF??????
And this rubbish about winning is not everything in a professional era is just ludicrous. If you want to make examples let me give you a couple. How about football managers losing their jobs after winning the Champions League because they were not quite good enough according to the owner? How about managers losing their jobs after 5 games because their teams were in the relegation zone at the time (and there were 33 more games left in the season). How about managers losing their jobs because of the outcry from the supporters..how about teams playing in empty stadiums because they have only managed to win 2 games all season. How about those same teams being dropped due to non-performance over TEN years??? Not to mention the loss of TV revenue and sponsorship leading to a lack of development, etc, etc, ad infinitum…
If winning is not everything you should rather focus on the amateur side of sports, but at this level it is what every player and administrator is judged on. Hell, managers and coaches even have winning percentages written in to their contracts!!!!!!!
So please Mark. I beg you. Please stop writing rubbish.
20 Feb 2013, 06:49 am
i preferred the other writers.
20 Feb 2013, 06:59 am
Ticket prices are R30 for top tier (level 5 and
6) R45 behind the posts (North and South)
R75 for East stand (Prince Alfred) and R110
for West (Grand Pavilion), #kingsarmy
the top tier R30 tickets sold out,,
better get out and buy your tickets.
Kings 4 Life!
20 Feb 2013, 07:01 am
@Transformation-19:
Sounds like good value.
20 Feb 2013, 07:07 am
@victoriabok-13: wow, where did u even find this???
20 Feb 2013, 07:13 am
They tried to con people into buying season tickets at like a grand each the other day. That’s the equivalent of like 30 games at R30 a ticket. Why would I pay that when I’m most likely just going to saunter down to the stadium when the Bulls come clobber the host team, and possibly for a couple of other big visiting teams’ games? I could get away with R100 bucks for the entire season this way.
Maybe they’re banking om the expected home play off game to add value to the season ticket?
20 Feb 2013, 07:15 am
@Tacitus-22:
Good to hear you will be going.
20 Feb 2013, 07:17 am
full stadiums are always a good thing so in this respect i do hope they’ll do better than the Lions.
20 Feb 2013, 07:20 am
R110 to watch South Africa’s 2nd Division chumps in action?
Excuse the pun, but what a cheek.
20 Feb 2013, 07:24 am
Brumbiesboy
Hey, someone’s got to pay Luke’s 3 bar salary.
To put it into perspective, that’s more than the vast majority of Bulls players are currently earning, I would guess.
20 Feb 2013, 07:28 am
@Tacitus-26:
I thought it was his allowance?
20 Feb 2013, 07:31 am
@Transformation-19:
Thats’s 30 rand for super rugby game, thats like 2 or 3 US$ its basically free then.
20 Feb 2013, 07:35 am
Ask any family with zero income and don’t know where the next meal is coming from if R30 is nothing or basically free.
R30 is a lot for a lot of people.
20 Feb 2013, 07:37 am
@Tacitus-26: After Keohane’s tactless & cowardly attack on a man knowing that he cannot defend himself, expect no mercy on anything Watson-related.
This will continue until SARU fixes the gigantic c.ckup they created last year.
20 Feb 2013, 07:39 am
@Fern-29:
I’m sure it is Fern but US$2 to go watch professional rugby is very cheap, the hot dog at the ground will set you back more than that.
20 Feb 2013, 07:40 am
Interesting:
“1. The 251 Springboks capped since 1992 have been drawn from 142 high schools
2. Only one in every 35 schools play rugby in Limpopo, Mpumulanga, Kwazulu Natal and North West
3. Sixty percent of all rugby-playing high schools are in the Western and Eastern Cape
4. Forty percent of Springboks come from just 21 schools”
20 Feb 2013, 07:41 am
@NZINCHINA-31:
I’m not sure china.
I think the horsemeat boerrie rols are R8.99
20 Feb 2013, 07:45 am
@gunther-33:
I told everybody in China the savages in Europe were eating horse, they were disgusted.
20 Feb 2013, 07:45 am
The Bulls game against the Kings is going to be like a koshuis match back in varsity. Two groups of supporters on either side of the field hurling insults at each other.
Going to be lekker.
20 Feb 2013, 07:47 am
@NZINCHINA-34:
The French love it.
The English with their Anglo Saxon sensitivities are horrified.
How does it compare to Fido?
20 Feb 2013, 07:51 am
@Tacitus-35:
Are there many Bulls fans in PE?
Do we have a supporters club?
20 Feb 2013, 07:52 am
@NZINCHINA-28: USD3.39
When you get paid in ZAR in SA, then ZAR30 is not “for free” for a large segment of the populace.
Way back in 1981 a then apartheid-era SA Health, Welfare and Pensions Minister, Dr Lapa Munnik, even (callously) suggested that pensioners could survive on R20 a month.
20 Feb 2013, 07:52 am
@gunther-36:
The Belgians too I believe, not for me buddy but they’ve probably slipped it into a ‘lamb hotpot” and I wasn’t any the wiser, contrary to popular belief it’s not widely eaten here but unfortunately some do, I saw some Bull p enis in the supermarket the other day enough to feed the whole family.
20 Feb 2013, 07:56 am
@Angostura-38:
sure it wasn’t a dig just an observation that US$3.39 to attend a super rugby game is very cheap!
20 Feb 2013, 07:58 am
@Tacitus-35: ja, ‘n lekker opruiende refrein van “hak, hak die bulle is k_ak” van die een kant van die veld
20 Feb 2013, 08:02 am
@Angostura-41: Wag net dan sien jy hoe k_k is hulle.
20 Feb 2013, 08:04 am
@NZINCHINA-40:
don’t mind Angostura he’s just bitters.
20 Feb 2013, 08:06 am
@Transformation-19: Thats not bad. Hopefully the people of PE come out to support.
20 Feb 2013, 08:10 am
Winning isnt everything? You’re right, its much more important than that.
Seems to be another spin so as not to judge the Kings too harshly when they get hammered all season long. They’ll soon lose their delusions of mediocrity.
20 Feb 2013, 08:11 am
@victoriabok-13: hahahaha…..how does the cnut now justify his lily white side? Or does he not support them?
20 Feb 2013, 08:12 am
@NZINCHINA-31:
Hi China…excellent value for money the price of tickets in Sa, I suppose when you’re getting 3x the attendance at some grounds compared to Nz, you can charge those type of prices and of course you can buy more with say 8 rand in Sa than with 1 Nz dollar over here, not even a 1/2 litre of gas.
I read your post about the farkups happening in the milk powder business…me thinks Fonterra and the other playas are taking the Chinese for granted and are trying to give them a shoddy product, yet still trying to get top dollar.
20 Feb 2013, 08:13 am
In other news Ross Taylor has scored a ton against Eng. Brendon M score 74 of 36 balls!
20 Feb 2013, 08:14 am
@gunther-43: si,
agrodolce, non molto amaro
with emphasis on the sweet
20 Feb 2013, 08:14 am
Going rate is R20 for footlong boerie roll on a Saturday at the butcheries in my area.
Hotdogs?
WTF!
20 Feb 2013, 08:19 am
@Transformation-19:
Transie, you been hanging out at the Force training sessions?
‘Allegations of spying have surfaced and surrounded the Southern Kings leading up to their opening Super Rugby match against the Force this weekend.
Force scrumhalf Alby Mathewson tweeted about the incident when he said: “Good team training this morning. Had a school watching plus one #Spygate”.
This has been backed up by reports on Arenasports website that mention a person fleeing the bushes at the Force’s training session with a video equipment and a tripod. The man, apparently, fled over a road and disappeared through a service station.’
20 Feb 2013, 08:21 am
@John Galt-51: And climbed into his brandnew Toyota Yaris Reg KINGS10 EC?
20 Feb 2013, 08:21 am
@Te Rangatira-47:
now now not everyone charges R30 a ticket.
think of this as an opening special.
20 Feb 2013, 08:24 am
@BrumbiesBoy-52:
20 Feb 2013, 08:24 am
@gunther-53: But they will charge it again at the end of the season when their “going out of business” special starts.
20 Feb 2013, 08:25 am
Actually a very good article.
I dont think this is exclusively a South African problem though. The emotions evoked by ones sports team is a global thing.
Sport has become high stakes in money and emotion.
Like Brad Pitts character says in Moneyball. ‘..and I hate losing. I hate losing more than I like winning. I never get over it…’ or something to that effect.
Its probably how a lot of us feel on this blog.
I do agree that the vitriol spewed by most of us, me included, is unacceptable though.
20 Feb 2013, 08:29 am
@gunther-53:
Oh…should’ve been on to the marketing angle, probably looking to break even? How much is a similar ticket at say Loftus?
20 Feb 2013, 08:32 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-24: bakkies this dissapoints me – in 2012 the Lions averaged more fans than the bullies. Let’s just hope that the queens do not beat you team in the stands this year.
20 Feb 2013, 08:32 am
@Te Rangatira-47:
I haven’t been to a super game for 7 or 8 years so I don’t know the ticket prices these days but that has to good value no matter what half the locals are making.
@Fern-50:
There you go then a Kings game and a big hunk of meat for US$5 – perfect.
20 Feb 2013, 08:32 am
More abuse from Keohane
20 Feb 2013, 08:34 am
As if his “brain expansion through reading broadsheet newpapers and opinion and counter opinion leading to conclusion” ramblings yesterday weren’t enough.
20 Feb 2013, 08:35 am
Sung to the tune of Creep by Radiohead
We tried to be here before
Maar toe word ons genaai
We didn’t get the hand out
So we screamed and cried
Then we got so sneaky
thanks to Dad and Puke
They claim they are special
They’re so fu.ck.ing special
But they’re creeps, they’re losers
What the hell are they doing here?
They don’t belong here
They don’t care if it hurts
They just want to have control
Feel fu.ckall for the season
Money is the only goal
But no one willI notice
When they’re not around
They’re so ******* special
They wish that they’re special
But they’re creeps, they’re loser
What the hell are they doing here?
They don’t belong here
Whatever makes them happy
Whatever they want
They’re so fuc.ki.ng special
They think they are special
But they’re creeps, they’re loser
What the hell are they doing here?
They don’t belong here
They don’t belong here
20 Feb 2013, 08:36 am
@BrumbiesBoy-52:
I think that’s very cool.
Apparently its branded as well.
I like when fans take it to the next level.
20 Feb 2013, 08:38 am
Just rectified you on the price of a boerieroll
20 Feb 2013, 08:39 am
57 Te R: the S15 tickets at Newlands are going for R140 at the top end and down to about R50 for standing tickets (not 100%) about the last number though
20 Feb 2013, 08:39 am
@Te Rangatira-57:
I cant remember when I last bought a ticket.
I think they are around R200? Scholars would be cheaper.
Fern can probably tell you.
He’s a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
20 Feb 2013, 08:39 am
What goes into a Boer roll?
20 Feb 2013, 08:40 am
@CharlesM-65:
There you go.
20 Feb 2013, 08:41 am
@CharlesM-65:
good value
20 Feb 2013, 08:42 am
@NZINCHINA-67:
Lips and ar.seholes.
And some coriander.
20 Feb 2013, 08:42 am
@NZINCHINA-67: Typically sausage and trainsmash
20 Feb 2013, 08:43 am
@gunther-70:
lol
20 Feb 2013, 08:44 am
@NZINCHINA-59:
General admission for the Bulls game is $20.00 on March 10. That’s pretty good but the Kings fans are getting a great deal, agree.
@Dawn-60:
Kia ora Dawn…I hope your Dad is ok and he must be happy proud to have a daughter like you.
20 Feb 2013, 08:44 am
@gunther-70: lol….like the dude in Kill the Irishman…”I may be a potato eater, but I don’t eat fat through a sheep’s ar.sehole” referring to haggis
20 Feb 2013, 08:44 am
@Dilligafrican-71:
A South African hot dog.
20 Feb 2013, 08:45 am
@Te Rangatira-73:
You’ll be going?
20 Feb 2013, 08:46 am
What’s happened to the grim reaper today?
20 Feb 2013, 08:46 am
@gunther-63: Even part of the numberplate is branded.
EC Eish Cheeky.
20 Feb 2013, 08:47 am
@Dawn-61:
I think Keo’s suffering from swelling of the brain rather than an explosion.
20 Feb 2013, 08:47 am
@Te Rangatira-73:
Hi they are coping I hope.
I think they need trauma counselling!
20 Feb 2013, 08:47 am
@CharlesM-65:
Thanks Charles…those prices seem reasonable too.
20 Feb 2013, 08:48 am
@gunther-70:
Railway is good value at Newlands if it doesnt rain.
20 Feb 2013, 08:50 am
@Dilligafrican-62: well done – just change Puke to Pukey it will flow better with sneaky.
20 Feb 2013, 08:50 am
@RL-58:
really RedShark..?..
i had no idea this was the case.
are you sure you’ve got the numbers right?
20 Feb 2013, 08:51 am
@gunther-63:
Fresh reports say that he wasnt carrying a tripod.
The guy lost his pants in an effort to get away was naked from the waist down.
Good for you Transie.
20 Feb 2013, 08:51 am
@BrumbiesBoy-78:
Eina.
Right between the cheekies.
20 Feb 2013, 08:52 am
@NZINCHINA-76:
I’m hoping to get there…I’ll see what everyones doing first
20 Feb 2013, 08:52 am
@John Galt-85:
Farkinhell.
Lucky Transie wasn’t arrested for carrying a cultural weapon.
20 Feb 2013, 08:53 am
I see Sharks Lover was at his abusive best yesterday
20 Feb 2013, 08:54 am
@John Galt-85:
20 Feb 2013, 08:54 am
@Te Rangatira-87:
The Poms are doing it very easy in Napier.
20 Feb 2013, 08:54 am
@NZINCHINA-75: ja, but less dog than the chinese version
20 Feb 2013, 08:55 am
@Dilligafrican-92:
woof woof
20 Feb 2013, 08:56 am
I see Coenie DP is named as a Tighthead in the Cheetahs training squad.
Big mistake in my opinion.
20 Feb 2013, 08:56 am
@gunther-88: de minimis non curat lex
20 Feb 2013, 08:57 am
@Te Rangatira-81: I think so too. The problem is that say for the Grand Stand you’ll be paying the same price wherever you’re seated. My seats are between the 22 and 10 m lines but those in the in-goal area are selling for the same price. Therefore I don’t “mind” selling mine when I can’t go myself. I know it’s good value for money
82 Sasuke – many of the seats on the Railway stand are going for the same prices on the Grand Stand. The biggest problem is the rain as you’ve said. This time of the year if it’s an early season game you are “baking” in the sun ! Fortunately the games are scheduled for late afternoons
20 Feb 2013, 08:57 am
@NZINCHINA-67: boerewors is mixed minced meat = left over ears, skin, tounge, lips, testicles, left over cuttings, horse meat, donkey meat , sheep meat, bull meat and lots of spices to falvour it lekker.
20 Feb 2013, 08:57 am
@NZINCHINA-93: 100 ways to wok your dog
20 Feb 2013, 08:58 am
@Dilligafrican-95:
Are you saying his Panga is more of a Swiss Army knife?
20 Feb 2013, 08:58 am
I think WP put their ticket prices up by R5. The railway tickets in certain catergories now cost R105. Small price for the consumer to pay but that extra R5 makes a big difference to the coffers of WP.
20 Feb 2013, 08:59 am
@stormersboy-94: Why? He must make the switch eventually.
Did you see Brok was dropped
20 Feb 2013, 08:59 am
Stormersboy – I have to agree. He surely can’t be 100% at the moment. Big risk taken by Naka!!
20 Feb 2013, 09:00 am
@RL-97:
excuse me I need to vomit
20 Feb 2013, 09:00 am
@gunther-99: His Leatherman is more Micra than Supertool.
20 Feb 2013, 09:02 am
@RL-97: You shop at the wrong butchery.
20 Feb 2013, 09:03 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-84: bakkies please not by my full name … just call me guppy.
20 Feb 2013, 09:03 am
@Sasuke-101: No, it may injure him again and destroy his career.
He can’t scrum well at LH, so Th will be even more of a stretch IMO.
@CharlesM-102: Yes, maybe he’s forced to as they have 2 other decent loose heads in Trevor and Caylib. Short at 3 though, as you say a big gamble..
20 Feb 2013, 09:03 am
@NZINCHINA-91:
Mate, I’m stuck at work…I bought a matress and put a shower in down here…the missus isn’t impressed though.
20 Feb 2013, 09:05 am
@Te Rangatira-108:
ha all you need now is SKY and you’ll never have to go home
20 Feb 2013, 09:05 am
@NZINCHINA-103: I don’t know why there is cat or dog meat in the mix.
20 Feb 2013, 09:05 am
@RL-110:
sounds like there could be
20 Feb 2013, 09:07 am
@stormersboy-107: Oh i see.
20 Feb 2013, 09:10 am
@NZINCHINA-109:
hehe….that’s the plan…
20 Feb 2013, 09:10 am
@Dilligafrican-105:
Redpussy is a dumpster diver.
20 Feb 2013, 09:11 am
@Sasuke-112: Just an opinion mind you, but both Charles and I played in the front row, and know well just how different LH and TH can be, which is why I think it’s a mistake.
But obviously Naka doesn’t so maybe we are clueless after all
20 Feb 2013, 09:12 am
Looks like we still can’t organise a trial in a courthouse.
20 Feb 2013, 09:14 am
@stormersboy-115:
20 Feb 2013, 09:14 am
@stormersboy-115: We clueless?? …never lol
20 Feb 2013, 09:14 am
Mandy Wiener of Eyewitness News sends this picture of officials at the court briefing the media, and says members of the public are asking to be let into the overflow room, “citing their race as the reason for being excluded”.
Aluta continua.
20 Feb 2013, 09:14 am
@gunther-116:
Whats the latest there?
20 Feb 2013, 09:17 am
@gunther-114: and you really thought the boerewors you ate on Saturday was made of 100% beef and coriander.
Nc nc nc – you ate minced cow peepee.
20 Feb 2013, 09:17 am
@NZINCHINA-120:
It’s farking chaos.
One journalist has fainted. Yesterday the officials told the journalists to sort it out amongst themselves as to who goes in.
Today there are two hundred journos there and it looks like they are going with the same plan.
The eyes of the world are on us.
Outstanding.
20 Feb 2013, 09:19 am
@CharlesM-118: I cannot think of any international class player who could/can play both positions well, if at all.
Those that do like, CJ, are good at neither.
Maybe Coenie will be the first..
20 Feb 2013, 09:20 am
@gunther-70:
come on Gunner, technically speaking that’s nonsense.
there is a very clear and legal technical definition for what constitutes boerewors.
any type of suasage product not adhering to the legally defined stipulation thereof is not in fact a boerewors at all.
so to correctly answer his question i suppose you meant to refer to ‘wors’ rolls which in most often likelihood are indeed the product of ‘tits, aresholes and some coriander’ as you put it.
however, he in fact asked you asked you what goes into a ‘boerie’ roll.
perhaps you need to determine the source from which you acquire your boerewors or at the least scrutinise the sellers at stadiums more carefully and question whether the sausage they are selling to you is indeed boerwors or rather just wors.
you will agree, a practised eater thereof will be able to determine the veracity of any claims as to whether a sausage is just a wors or rather a boerwors quite easily.
don’t mislead these Kiwi’s.
@NZINCHINA-67:
like the Reinheitsgebot (German Beer Purity Law) regulation which sets out a very specific rule for what constitutes a beer and the way it is produced, we have similar rules for boerwors.
http://www.doh.gov.za/docs/regulations/1990/reg2718.pdf
and if it’s not made by these rules then its just wors of some or other kind, of which there are many, but which is almost universally of inferior taste and quality. also, as Gunther pointed out usually the worst of the meat is used in its production.
20 Feb 2013, 09:20 am
@RL-121:
The key is to get to know your local butcher.
Or in your case get to know the bins at the back of his shop.
20 Feb 2013, 09:20 am
@NZINCHINA-120:
690.BrumbiesBoy:
19 Feb 2013, 23:02 pm Pasop Francois Hougaard. Today’s Star quotes an unnamed weapons expert describing the Vector .223 rifle, one of the six licences Oscar Pistorius applied for last month… “You would use it for shooting springbok at long distance – it’s perfect for that.” #ironic
20 Feb 2013, 09:20 am
@gunther-122:
Ugly stuff all round.
20 Feb 2013, 09:21 am
anyway, i have a busy day and lot of work,
cheers all
20 Feb 2013, 09:22 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-124: I was quite surprised to find that Nataniel’s wors is tastier than I expected……….
20 Feb 2013, 09:22 am
@RL-106:
hehe
not even redGuppy..?..
20 Feb 2013, 09:23 am
@BrumbiesBoy-126:
scary stuff looks like it was only a matter of time
20 Feb 2013, 09:23 am
I remember the u9c rugby coach tellingf us winning isn’t everything either. The team won 2 from 11 that year.
20 Feb 2013, 09:23 am
@stormersboy-129: Sorry forgot the
just for all you without any sense of irony.
20 Feb 2013, 09:26 am
@stormersboy-129:
you mean the Shorite Checkers stuff?
i dont think he makes it though.
he just the face which markets the national boerwors championshship winners wors, isb’t it?
20 Feb 2013, 09:27 am
@gunther-122: And you have of course seen this as well?
“Members of the public are demanding access to overflow room citing their race as the reason for being excluded.”
Mand Wiener on Twitter.
The eyes of the world indeed……
20 Feb 2013, 09:27 am
must say that SA Rugby magazine site has some decent rugby stuff on it….
20 Feb 2013, 09:27 am
@stormersboy-133: Ja-ja
20 Feb 2013, 09:28 am
loved the Spies vs Vermeulen arcticle
20 Feb 2013, 09:28 am
@BULLET-132:
I played against a Japanese schools side once and the coaches last words were…’Remember Vietnam’
20 Feb 2013, 09:29 am
@stormersboy-129: you went down on Nataniel – and you guys wonder why we call you brokebacks
20 Feb 2013, 09:30 am
I have 2 sons and it’s interesting to see the dynamic when it comes to winning and losing. The standard “it’s more important to participate than anything else” is a maxim long espoused by the schools.
My Son lost it when he came second at athletics day in spite of not really training, and all the moms were checking him skeef. I went up to him and said “Son, I think it’s great that you hate losing. Remember that feeling, get out there and do some training so you don’t feel that way again next year. But for now, suck it in and go and congratulate the winner, and shake the hand of the 3rd placed guy too and say well tried.”
If he still comes second in spite of putting in a lot of effort, then the speech will be a bit softer.
Try telling a 10 year old or any champion that winning isn’t everything and see the response you get.
20 Feb 2013, 09:30 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-135:
Indeed I’ve already posted that one its a gem.
20 Feb 2013, 09:32 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-134: Yes it’s pretty decent for store bought stuff. Good in a pinch
i have a great butcher up the road who makes me wors without any gluten (bread crumbs) in it as my oldest cannot have gluten. It’s good stuff. You have to order it though so planning ahead is important.
20 Feb 2013, 09:32 am
Ooops there is the
I saw it too late storm boy.
20 Feb 2013, 09:33 am
@stormersboy-129: lol
20 Feb 2013, 09:37 am
@grant10-136: Yeah Keo is lagging behind. But I find it quite slow, i get this message about a running script slowing down the website.
20 Feb 2013, 09:38 am
@stormersboy-143:
yes, it is.
in fact most of their boerewors types are quite good.
i’ll tell you, it is better than most of the stuff i’ve bought at Pick n Pay and Woolworths.
but i agree a speciality butchers is usually the best way to go for quality meats.
ok i’m out
cheers
20 Feb 2013, 09:38 am
@Te Rangatira-139:
Embraboer.
20 Feb 2013, 09:39 am
@Sasuke-146: same….miss the rugby stuff….
20 Feb 2013, 09:40 am
@stormersboy-141: Cool story bro#nottrolling
20 Feb 2013, 09:41 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-124: my word, there is a definition after all!
20 Feb 2013, 09:47 am
Bakkies Botha cited
——————————————————————————–
19 February 2013, 16:37
Toulon second-row Bakkies Botha has been cited for a shoulder charge on Montpellier wing Yoan Audrin.
The former Springbok lock will face an LNR disciplinary committee on March 5 after taking out Audrin without the ball during Toulon’s 51-6 victory over Montpellier at Stade Felix Mayol last weekend.
In a bizarre twist of events, Audrin was shown a yellow card for (involuntarily) clattering into Toulon scrum-half Nicolas Durand in the air after being bumped off course by Botha, whose enormous frame obscured the referee’s view.
The match was just Botha’s second game back after a long lay-off following surgery on a fractured eye socket.
20 Feb 2013, 09:49 am
@grant10-152: he he that’s our boy!
20 Feb 2013, 09:50 am
Investigating officer Hilton Botha on the stand.
Tappit name.
20 Feb 2013, 09:50 am
@stormersboy-153: Some things will never change…..
Taxes….mans corruptability and Bakkies…..
20 Feb 2013, 09:51 am
Career over 4 Baxxies now i think. Will he go down as the biggest thug in world rugby?
20 Feb 2013, 09:51 am
@grant10-155: True
20 Feb 2013, 09:52 am
@grant10-155: I thought the froggies liked it rough and tough
20 Feb 2013, 09:52 am
@grant10-152: great stuff bakkies. Would love to see him and Eben pair up
20 Feb 2013, 09:53 am
@Muttonbird-156: Not by a long shot, although he is the most celebrated thug.
20 Feb 2013, 09:53 am
Softie Frenchies.
20 Feb 2013, 09:54 am
@Fern-29: How has that been allowed to happen Fern? Is there a wide income gap in SA or something?
20 Feb 2013, 09:55 am
@stormersboy-161: becoming real slaptjips
20 Feb 2013, 09:55 am
@grant10-152: this man is a blight on the game..
dirty cheating filthy scum that he is.
it must have beehn coached into him at the Bulls.
when will SA clean up her rugby? it is atrocious, eye gougers are seen as heroes, parents encourage their kids to take steroids which are available at any local school, the national teams coach backs killers, SARU are now trying to rig super rugby..
the list is endless, have they no shame?
20 Feb 2013, 09:56 am
What is a muttonbird?
Some kind of Keewee sextoy?
20 Feb 2013, 09:56 am
@Dilligafrican-160: He’s done more damage than good though.
20 Feb 2013, 09:57 am
@Tacitus-35:
The Bulls game vs the Kings will actually be quite interesting from a spectator point of view as the majority of PE friends I have are all Bull supporters while the EC was absent from Super Rugby.
They have all the Bull jerseys and regalia.
Would like to see if they will now support the Kings and ditch the Bulls
20 Feb 2013, 09:57 am
@Muttonbird-162: like the space between your ears…
@the curse-164: easy now – the cheating bit belongs to you lot
20 Feb 2013, 09:58 am
@gunther-165: Sooty Shearwater, bro. A Maori delicacy in some parts of the country.
20 Feb 2013, 09:59 am
@Muttonbird-166: nonsense…every story needs an anti-hero
20 Feb 2013, 10:00 am
@Muttonbird-169:
Still no clearer, don’t worry I’ll ask Poep.
If I can get him off his soapbox.
20 Feb 2013, 10:00 am
@ 165 gunther
Hehehe,sharp!!
20 Feb 2013, 10:01 am
@Dilligafrican-168: It may surprise you to learn that Baxxies is seen by the rest of the world as an angry and dimwitted freak who picks on the smaller players he comes across because he’s too chicken to front up to the big ones.
20 Feb 2013, 10:01 am
@Dilligafrican-168: nope, we are saints, its why the (NZ led) IRB love us… secretly, Andrew Hore was presented with an honorary lifetime membership for dropping the Welshman, Kevin will be knighted this year for services to “real centres” and McCaw will indeed b e handed a new invisibility cloak..
20 Feb 2013, 10:01 am
@gunther-171: mutton…shears….what is it with these keewees?
20 Feb 2013, 10:02 am
@Muttonbird-169: what’s the maori name for it?
20 Feb 2013, 10:03 am
@gunther-171: its a seabird gunther, namely shearwaters..
google it..
20 Feb 2013, 10:03 am
@156,
I think the title of ‘biggest thug’ is firmly with Johan Le Roux.
Please dont bring him out of retirement to stake his claim to that.
If he reads your comment, he just might try storm SARFU headquarters pulling a Mike Tyson on everyone he sees.
Truely a low moment in BOK rugby.
20 Feb 2013, 10:04 am
@the curse-174: lol.
@Muttonbird-173: he aint angry. I think he enjoys it.
20 Feb 2013, 10:05 am
@Dilligafrican-176: “titi” or muttonbird..
20 Feb 2013, 10:05 am
@Dilligafrican-176: Wouldn’t know. You could probably Google that too.
20 Feb 2013, 10:06 am
Thanks curse.
20 Feb 2013, 10:07 am
@gunther-171: soapbox? just having a laugh gunther, all firmly tongue in cheek.. I realise many SAs dont understand sarcasm, but what the heck
senility is not something you want to catch buddy
20 Feb 2013, 10:08 am
Where does this muttonbird thing rank with a long pig in terms of Maori delicacies?
20 Feb 2013, 10:08 am
@Muttonbird-182: sweet as bro, I got the name off google too, have always known them as muttonbirds.
20 Feb 2013, 10:09 am
@Dilligafrican-179: He’s got white-line fever. There are other examples. Off the top of my head Troy Flavell, and more recently, Callum Clarke. These types of players are unable to be rehabilitated, only managed.
20 Feb 2013, 10:09 am
@the curse-180: sounds more palatable….wonder what titi breasts taste like.
20 Feb 2013, 10:10 am
Are they good eating?
20 Feb 2013, 10:11 am
Kings 4Life!!!
the Force are looking for excuses claimining we are spying on them
20 Feb 2013, 10:11 am
@the curse-183: eish…you don’t speak sarcasm so well eh?
@gunther-184: waddefok is ‘n langvark?
20 Feb 2013, 10:12 am
@the curse-185:
Kia ora Pops….te reo o Te Taitokerau….Oi …Muttonbird
20 Feb 2013, 10:13 am
@Transformation-189: more like Kings4ayear!!!
20 Feb 2013, 10:14 am
@gunther-184: not all maoris ate longpig Gunther
never tried muttonbird myself, though know those who enjoy it..
20 Feb 2013, 10:14 am
@Muttonbird-162:
There’s an incredibly wide income gap in SA. Almost 2 different countries in fact, as our previous President once claimed.
20 Feb 2013, 10:14 am
@gunther-184: Don’t think you’d find many examples of Maori eating the European invaders much. Te Rauparaha was a bad-*** though and used to go on raids to the South Island and, according to anecdotal legend, ate babies for strength!!!
20 Feb 2013, 10:15 am
@Dilligafrican-190:
I think it’s a kiwi version of a shallow pig.
Or a fuckfuck as my nephew calls it.
20 Feb 2013, 10:16 am
@Te Rangatira-191: kia ora bro.. aye, just like in rugby, we be sharing the wealth
20 Feb 2013, 10:16 am
@gunther-196: lol…or a band of the 90s.
20 Feb 2013, 10:17 am
@gunther-196: long pig is not porcine in nature, but I think Gunther already knows this
20 Feb 2013, 10:19 am
@David-194: This trend is continuing the Western World over and in South Africa I know it is particularly keenly felt. Income separation is a major cause of violent crime in all societies and where the gap is widest , crime is more severe.
20 Feb 2013, 10:19 am
@Muttonbird-195:
Maoris can be very friendly.
Te Rangi has already invited me over for a threesome.
20 Feb 2013, 10:20 am
@the curse-197:
Well mate….heres to the Blues….
20 Feb 2013, 10:21 am
@the curse-199: that would depend on the particular long pig now wouldn’t it? According to Fern most NZ girls would qualify?
See OScar’s sh.it is getting more real by the minute. The judge should handle the appplication like drugs – just say no.
20 Feb 2013, 10:22 am
@the curse-183:
some might take it the wrong way and then you will be accused of racism as well as cheating
Kia Ora Pops
You must add the smiley face
Or mention Monty Python, then everyone will know when you are joking or when you are being serious
Don’t mention black humor
20 Feb 2013, 10:23 am
@gunther-201: maybe he wants to taste some boerewors?
Just check you didn’t get confused – big difference between a three course and intercourse.
20 Feb 2013, 10:23 am
@David-194:
Indeed.
The income gap between gunther and fuckadilly is wider than Zoomer’s broekies.
20 Feb 2013, 10:24 am
@Dilligafrican-205:
20 Feb 2013, 10:25 am
@gunther-201:
haha…..yep Gunther……friendly ….the Maori, you have to get with the Tangata Whenua one day….we’ll be glad to have you…..swt
20 Feb 2013, 10:29 am
@Te Rangatira-202: big game, could shape the whole season imo… am excited by our backline, just not sure theyll get enough quality ball.. whats the blues current financial status and have they been on the direct line to to the IRB?
@Dilligafrican-203: heheh according to Fern, they are still of the bush variety, and he apparently has a thing for getting back to nature…
@nortierd-204: Kei te pai Nortie? you mean I need to tell everyone when Im being sarcarstic? okay, will give it a go
I think the Bulls are the team to beat this year
20 Feb 2013, 10:30 am
@Te Rangatira-208: from all accounts should feed the whole iwi
20 Feb 2013, 10:31 am
@the curse-209:
Ha ha
Blue humor
I like that
Actually you can still get away with black humor, the Sharks have been doing that for all these years playing in black jerseys
20 Feb 2013, 10:31 am
@Dilligafrican-205:
I don’t think he was suggesting that a park my waka in his boathouse.
I think he was just being friendly.
20 Feb 2013, 10:33 am
Come Sunday and the Kings will be firmly entrenched as the Jar Jar Binks of Superrugby.
20 Feb 2013, 10:34 am
@the curse-209:
There will always be backers of the Blues. Player development is a problem, we need to find the players with the big motors. The Blues are explosive, but have they the staying power?
20 Feb 2013, 10:35 am
@nortierd-211:
mentioning the “sharks” and “playing” in the same sentence is indeed razor sharp wit..
theyre like giving your younger brother some matches and a firecracker, you know someones going to get hurt but youre not sure there’ll ever be a big boom..
20 Feb 2013, 10:37 am
@Te Rangatira-214: league is encroaching on our youngsters too, that in itself is a real worry.. Blues need smarter people behind the scenes showing the young uns there is a path to make the Blues squad..
hence my disappointment with JK going out of the catchment area for a large number of players..
20 Feb 2013, 10:38 am
@the curse-215:
It’s the fizzle I enjoy….
The problem is if your younger brother is a little “slow” then the cracker somehow ends up in his throat causing severe choking
20 Feb 2013, 10:43 am
@the curse-216:
He had to imo….the blend or the mix wasn’t right with the Lam recipe, therefore half the squad made up of newcomers for 2013…
20 Feb 2013, 10:45 am
@nortierd-217:
hehe
20 Feb 2013, 10:45 am
@the curse-216:
League has always had a good following in Auckland, coupled with the pathways for young players in the wider Nrl….yes there is battle for talent
20 Feb 2013, 10:46 am
Botha says the fact the shots hit Steenkamp on her right-hand side indicates she was not sitting on the toilet but was hiding in a different position.
He says the shots were aimed at the toilet bowl. The toilet itself is in the room and to the left. You wouldn’t hit the toilet itself if you fired straight at the door, he says; you’d miss it.
Fark looking very dark for Oscar.
20 Feb 2013, 10:47 am
@gunther-221: Flushing out the truth here?
20 Feb 2013, 10:48 am
@nortierd-167: actually I reckon the Sharks have a great deal of support in the EC, if not the most. Probably by some distance. Then it is probably the Crusaders and then perhaps the Bulls.
Kings v Sharks and Kings v Crusaders will be the main derby games for the locals.
20 Feb 2013, 10:48 am
@stormersboy-123: Hi again – I was out for a while. Yes CJ has been a liability since the 2007 World Cup.
Ben and Owen Franks can play both sides I think. They are the exception to the rule though. I think there was a Frenchman a while back but I can’t recall his name.
The Stormers’ experiment with Brok hasn’t worked either. I’ve also never been a fan of Deon Carstens.
I can recall a joke about a versatile (all-rounder) cricket player: he couldn’t bowl and he couldn’t bat – definitely an all-rounder lol !! Some of the props fit that description
20 Feb 2013, 10:49 am
@Te Rangatira-220: Auck/Wellington the two big league centres in NZ..
20 Feb 2013, 10:56 am
@the curse-225:
Yep…Theres a National Secondary Schools RL comp….so league getting a foothold in the schools now, Nationally.
20 Feb 2013, 10:56 am
@BrumbiesBoy-222:
Indeed.
Oscars going down the Tubes here.
Looks like she was hiding and he was deliberately aiming at her.
20 Feb 2013, 10:59 am
@Te Rangatira-226: that may just allow second rate teams like SA a chance to catch us up..
not good
20 Feb 2013, 11:00 am
@gunther-221:
Not looking good at all.
20 Feb 2013, 11:01 am
@gunther-227:
Is this the main trial already?
20 Feb 2013, 11:04 am
@Te Rangatira-230:
Bail hearing.
But the key focus is the same.
Murder vs lesser charges.
So in essence a mini trial.
No juries here donuts all out in the open.
20 Feb 2013, 11:04 am
@Te Rangatira-230: No, no.
Still only the bail application.
20 Feb 2013, 11:05 am
@Te Rangatira-230:
Just the bail hearing.
Trying to prove if it was shcedule 6 or premeditated murder. Thatll mean no bail for Oscar.
20 Feb 2013, 11:05 am
@Te Rangatira-230: bail hearing.. state is opposing bail…if the case only starts next year that’s long time at Pretoria prison for Oskido
20 Feb 2013, 11:06 am
ball – bail
20 Feb 2013, 11:06 am
@ShaunB-223:
Very possible Shaun
My point of reference is only the people I know, and I found it strange that they are staunch Bull supporters.
I just wonder if the will remain with the Bulls or whether they will switch to the Kings?
20 Feb 2013, 11:09 am
@gunther-231:
@BrumbiesBoy-232:
Seems to be moving at quite rapidly…which is a good thing I suppose.. but the defences strategy has to be spot on from the get go.
20 Feb 2013, 11:13 am
@Te Rangatira-237: His sh.it is getting real and his version makes no sense.
20 Feb 2013, 11:13 am
@gunther-221: Can’t see this being lowered to a Schedule 5 based on the evidence thus far…
The brother and lawyer arriving at the house shortly after to gain access to the safe for the ‘memory stick’ with details of offshore accounts (which weren’t mentioned in his list of assets yesterday) is already dodgier than ET’s struggle credentials.
Playing out as most thought it would.
The statements he made directly after the shooting have cooked his goose….. when you put the ‘intruder’ story out there, you’ve gotta run with it…….and that statement of his yesterday was a patchwork of ‘explanations’ for what they thought the states case might be. (Even his alleged shout for the intruder ‘to leave his house’, is going to be passed off as the ‘screaming’ the neighbour heard – butshytegetsreal when today it’s announced that the neighbour has attested to 60 minutes of non stop shouting….)
Nah, that statement – the end. And don’t bank on Peruval being able to explain away (or provide alternate scenarios) for every bit of state forensic evidence.
The phones too are going to interesting…..
20 Feb 2013, 11:14 am
@Te Rangatira-237:
Right now Oscar’s defence is looking shakier than Bafana’s.
20 Feb 2013, 11:15 am
@the curse-216: Rich Auckland Schools have been the cause of the current sickness in Auckland Rugby. They poach young Polynesian players from poorer backgrounds and teach them to just show up to get their paycheck. Straight on to the academies and into the rep teams before they know what’s going on. These kids would be better off learning the game in their own communities/clubs rather than being hand-picked into stardom. They’d give their own communities a lot of pleasyre too rather than being stolen away by Kings and AGS, etc.
20 Feb 2013, 11:16 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-239:
I’ve always felt the phone records would be key.
I’d wager that her phone sparked the argument.
20 Feb 2013, 11:18 am
i cant really read aby of the oscar coverage.
it makes me too sad.
lives destroyed, pain in every sentence he utters, lies and hatred.
nah, i am going fishing. at least underwater the only sound is the whales and the voice in my head saying “GET SOME FRIKKEN AIR YOU DIMWIT!!!”
20 Feb 2013, 11:18 am
Oscar will walk. The Bees Roux case set the precedent here where Oscar’s team will be able to “settle out of court” for whatever money it will take. That is if Reeva Steenkamp’s family needs/want the money. That is all his fate hinges on.
After all, T.I.A.
20 Feb 2013, 11:19 am
@Te Rangatira-237: Theyarefucked. To be fair though: they can only work with what their ‘client’ has given them. And his actions, explanations etc directly after the shooting, did not provide them with much to work with…….
All they can do (based on Oscar’s own ‘admissions and actions’) is cast just a little doubt over the states version and forensic/ballistic evidence, and hope Nair under influence of a little ‘doubt’, possibly reschedules it back down to a 5 once evidence is over, and Oscar manages to get bail…..
Not gonna happen.
20 Feb 2013, 11:19 am
@John Galt-229:
I disagree, things are looking good for him.
On his way to getting some free lodging without work. Free meals and TV included.
He can also further his studying at no cost.
Great bargain.
All these things are seemingly only for the priveledged in SA.
20 Feb 2013, 11:21 am
@Muttonbird-244:
Are you sure you are a real Keewee?
You are starting to sound like a transplant.
20 Feb 2013, 11:23 am
@gunther-247: Sure am my friend. That Bees Roux case really caught my attention because I couldn’t believe you could bludgeon a cop to death on the street and not serve one night in jail. All it took was US$80,000 and he was a free man.
20 Feb 2013, 11:25 am
@gunther-242: There is an iPad in the mix as well I think. The really sad thing here is: throwing the ‘intruder’ story out there, when calling friends/family, 5 minutes after the shooting (and before calling the private ambulance service you allege you called) shows some measure of covering onces butt and planning a defence at that time…..
His first mistake was uttering those words out loud to all and sundry…the other actions can all be explained away in terms of a ‘traumatised’ person etc. But that statement….and the fact that he is now stuck with it, as his ‘D’ for better (not) and for worse (box ticked).
20 Feb 2013, 11:26 am
@Muttonbird-248:
Well when you say it like that, yes. Unbelievable.
You need to have a closer look at the case though buddy.
20 Feb 2013, 11:26 am
@The Rangerman-243: Sounds good
Enjoy.
20 Feb 2013, 11:28 am
@The Rangerman-243:
Have a good one Ranger.
20 Feb 2013, 11:29 am
@John Galt-250: Are you saying that because the cop “may have been crooked” that he deserved to have his head stove in on the road and that the person who did it set free?
20 Feb 2013, 11:30 am
The O-dawg is doing a lot of crying.
Thinking about his first night sharing a cell with the famous 350 pound Zulu called Frontendloader.
20 Feb 2013, 11:31 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-251: thanks.
p.s. what other possible defence could oscar have offered up besides an intruder?
temporary insanity?
jealousy?
drugs?
mental incapacity?
these would have all admitted intention surely?
either way, its not about what he shouldnt have said or what he should have said imo, its about the truth, whether it be palatable or not.
20 Feb 2013, 11:31 am
@gunther-254: Don’t think Nair cares for the sympathy vote
20 Feb 2013, 11:32 am
@Muttonbird-241: way of the world unfortunately.. money talks… when you say “poach” its best to mention that these kids are poached from the poorer suburbs of NZ, many here still believe we send the waka to the islands under guise of night, our longpig suckling warrior, armed only with taiaha and patu sneak through the fale’s stealing the first born 6 month old male (asking him which are his whanau) and then carrying all 30 or 40 of them back to the waka, they sail for weeks wiht nothing but the longpig of pirated european traders for food, and once they reach the shores of Aotearoa (when these first borns are 6 1/2 months old) are they settled into the ways of the ancients..
we maori are just too good at spotting natural all black talent in the dark of night, under the fronds of the pacific palm tree…
so, be specific when talking poaching or you may miscommunicate your meaning to these people
20 Feb 2013, 11:32 am
Does anybody remember the name John Verity?
(Possibly) the last white man to be hanged in South Africa.
In 1983 my brother and I had to drive down to Cape Town to help two friends (also brothers) who’d had to fly out from the USA to clean up their sister and 12 yearold niece’s murder scene in Observatory/Wynberg.
No guns involved but more blood stains than I’ve ever seen in my life and those scenes have stayed with me forever…
I can only imagine what it was like for Reeva’s family…
Verity was hanged circa 1985.
20 Feb 2013, 11:32 am
@nortierd-236: A King’s plea for support
08 February 2013
George Byron
RUGBY boss Cheeky Watson has made an
impassioned plea to Port Elizabeth fans
who support the Bulls, Cheetahs, Sharks,
Stormers and Lions to switch allegiances
and to get behind the newly promoted
Southern Kings.
Speaking at the Kings’ launch of their new
black match day kit and ticket prices for the
Super Rugby season, he said “fans and
people of integrity should stand up and
support the Kings”. Rugby bosses want to
pack the stadium for the Kings clash with
the Western Force on February 23.
In the past when the Kings have played
against other Super Rugby franchises in
friendlies, the Kings supporters have
sometimes been outnumbered at their own
stadium.
20 Feb 2013, 11:32 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-251:
When does Oscar plead and can he turn around now in the face of other evidence and suddenly say ‘ok I did it, Im guilty’?
20 Feb 2013, 11:33 am
@John Galt-252: thanks man.
@Muttonbird-253: you are not even remotely qualified to pass judgement on a case in a country so far removed from any reality you are familiar with muttonman.
you have no frame of reference and the lens you are using to view the issue is a telescopic one.
if you are puzzled by us, we are puzzled equally by you, can you understand this?
20 Feb 2013, 11:34 am
@Muttonbird-253:
Yawnbird.
20 Feb 2013, 11:35 am
@The Rangerman-255: he’s a bulls supporter so I’d go with the last on your list
20 Feb 2013, 11:36 am
@Transformation-259:
sorry sheeky, you must understand that those fans have rights just like your all-black supporting pellies ok?
20 Feb 2013, 11:36 am
@Muttonbird-253: if it was the other way round, and Bees was the one killed by the cop, do you think it would have had the same outcome?
I dont personally..
20 Feb 2013, 11:37 am
@Transformation-259:
Don’t you think people are entrenched in their ways?
Not to mention already having bought the other sides’ jerseys etc.
I don’t know if them having possibly one year in SR will sway the public, but maybe when the Kings play the overseas opposition it will be different.
20 Feb 2013, 11:38 am
@Transformation-259: get your jersey quick! There aint gonna be a 2014 edition.
20 Feb 2013, 11:40 am
@the curse-265: Don’t think the cop would have $80k.
then again, it was an SA copper.
20 Feb 2013, 11:40 am
Bullets fired from top down apparently.
Meaning he had his legs on.
Eish Oscar.
20 Feb 2013, 11:40 am
@The Rangerman-261: Ok. But do you think because Reeva Steenkamp was white Oscar will be treated differently than if she was black? Genuinely curious.
20 Feb 2013, 11:41 am
@John Galt-269: and bottled of testosterone….the dope was a doper too.
20 Feb 2013, 11:42 am
@Muttonbird-270: no.
20 Feb 2013, 11:43 am
@Transformation-259: what about your filthy capecrusader brothers who support kiwi teams (you included) – I suspect many a confused faces in the stands when the Chiefs pitch up.
20 Feb 2013, 11:43 am
Looking bad .
20 Feb 2013, 11:44 am
@Dilligafrican-272: And if the cop Bees killed was white?
20 Feb 2013, 11:47 am
@The Rangerman-264:
People of integrity should stand up
Einapoes.
20 Feb 2013, 11:48 am
bakkies brace yourself:
Botha: “We found two boxes of
steroids…” Nel interrupts him.
Botha corrects to: “Two boxes of
testosterone, needles and
injections.”
9.40am GMT
Botha says they found two bottles of
testosterone and needles at Pistorius’s
house.
20 Feb 2013, 11:48 am
@The Rangerman-255: Saying ‘I lost it’ would have delivered a lesser sentence eventually. That I truly believe. (and it also allows for some leniancy in terms of incarceration).
The 1st rule of fight club: Shut your trap, don’t call anyone but your attorney and demand to see a medical professional. The end. (Not that I’m in favour of this of course, it’s just the way you get your defence off to a good start.)
What he’s done now, is show his state of mind was ‘perfect and rational’, before and after the shooting. It shows premeditation, as well as ‘covering his butt’ tactics – which means he was thinking clearly after the fact…….for all intents and purposes.
Any mention of temporary insanity, rage, provocation etc etc etc etc etc – is now worthless. IMHO of course.
This fella is just too used to his minions making all his problems ‘disappear’. Everything from troublesome ex-GF’s, to allegations of excessive drinking etc. Why on earth would he think this would be any different?
I’m guessing he’s realised this IS different.
20 Feb 2013, 11:48 am
@The Rangerman-261:
Muttonbird, like millions of people all over the World, are taking an interest in this unfortunate and tragic affair.
It’s not about,
in what Country this shiit happened.
It’s about the people it happened to.
This is OJ Simpson stuff all over again. And yes the World will judge.
20 Feb 2013, 11:49 am
@Transformation-277:
Poeps is at Defcon 4.
20 Feb 2013, 11:52 am
@Transformation-277:
Does this surprise anyone?
20 Feb 2013, 11:52 am
@RL-273: Kings for Life
#when’sthenextTestmatch
20 Feb 2013, 11:52 am
@gunther-280: nah not at all… I realise just how prominent steroids are in society today, moreso yours, but also in Aus and NZ..
as Cane says, the whole world is watching this case and it isnt only Oscar on trial, SA justice and her legal system is also on trial..
Im just surprised that muttonbird has mentioned crime stories in SA and hasnt had all sorts of ***** thrown at him..
strange dont you think “buddy”
20 Feb 2013, 11:52 am
@cane-279:
Hhmmmm.
Computer says no.
This mutton likes to dress as lamb.
20 Feb 2013, 11:52 am
‘Botha says if he heard a noise he would try to find out where his girlfriend was and if she was safe.’
Objection!
Speculation.
Is the defence allowed to object at any point?
20 Feb 2013, 11:53 am
@gunther-280: Vodka & OJ, mayday, mayday
20 Feb 2013, 11:53 am
@cane-281: Bakkies
20 Feb 2013, 11:54 am
Keo – this article smacks of loser’s mentality my man. Fans should always be passionate and South African athletes and coaches should always strive to be the best.
We, the fans, recognise that South African rugby performs so far below its potential. Its true that all teams have the potential to be better but South African rugby really can be a lot better. And we are on our way there.
I will never resolve to accepting mediocrity in South African rugby. If you want to do that, you might as well just emigrate to Wales.
Springboks to be the best team in the world. Nothing less. Man up and stop whinging.
20 Feb 2013, 11:54 am
@Muttonbird-275: He wasn’t. Anymore conjectures or speculation?
20 Feb 2013, 11:55 am
@Transformation-282: Kings for a year!
20 Feb 2013, 11:56 am
@Dilligafrican-286:
He’ll be popping zanax like smarties.
@the curse-283:
He’s still learning.
He’ll progress slowly to your psychotic levels.
After all it took you years.
He just needs his Kobus Kitty moment .
20 Feb 2013, 11:56 am
Anyway…………………………………………Concerning Oscar.
So he thought there was a burglar in the house?
What prevented him from shouting………………………”Darling is that you”.
Before unloading his magazine through the little hole at the end of the barrell.
20 Feb 2013, 11:56 am
@Muttonbird-270: This might sound really ‘crass’, but the deceased plays nothing but a supporting role in this circus.
This is what it is because it’s Oscar P – nothing more, nothing less. (And purely because he is SA’s biggest sporting export and ‘hero’).
A sad indictment on humanity in general if you ask me.
@Transformation-277: I feel desperately sorry for Bakkies. I reckon he only wants to believe in the cream bun and hot tea type of things in life.
Sadly for Bakkies, I have a feeling the entire underbelly of Saffa sport is about to be exposed a little in this case. The group OP ‘ran with’, his mates etc. The testosterone found in his home opens up a whole new can of worms.
20 Feb 2013, 11:57 am
@Kaizan-288: step away from the tik bro..
best team in the world
hahahaahaha
20 Feb 2013, 11:59 am
Pistorius said it was dark, but Botha claims a witness heard gunshots, saw the lights on, heard “a female screaming” and then more shots.
Investigator: another witness heard the gunshots but thought he was dreaming … And heard a women screaming
Game over.
20 Feb 2013, 11:59 am
Oscar Pistolero.@the curse-287:
Don’t tell me Old Sam Houston is in Oscar’s corner?
20 Feb 2013, 12:00 pm
Cheeky said “fans and people of integrity should stand up and
support the Kings”.
This cnut Cheeky is accusing people like Tacitus of not having any integrity – well what does this doos know about integrity. He said he will abide by SARU ruling re the number of buitenlanders in his squad – he then included all 5 buitenlanders in his squad saying that is not his final squad and that he was still going to announce the final squad. Bullshitter fcker that he is he has not done so as yet.
20 Feb 2013, 12:00 pm
Game over
20 Feb 2013, 12:01 pm
@Dilligafrican-290:
Are you saying Sheekies Range Rover is going to turn into a pumpkin in October?
20 Feb 2013, 12:04 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-293: remember the gun that accidentally went off at Tashas in Melrose Arch nearly hit a boxer pal of his on the foot & the owner let the get away with it as they are regulars there…
20 Feb 2013, 12:04 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-295:
Good enough for me.
Do you Okes have the death penalty.
20 Feb 2013, 12:04 pm
@gunther-298:
Rover.
Six love.
20 Feb 2013, 12:05 pm
@the curse-283: Exactly right the whole world is watching.
The wealth gap is magnified in SA and I feel very sad for the country because of that. It’s a problem all over the Western World and is getting worse by the day as the elite continue to steal from the those at the bottom.
I must say that the posters at Keo react a lot more maturely to the issues I just bought up than those on some other Rugby forums I could name.
20 Feb 2013, 12:05 pm
@RL-297: which by inference people with integrity won’t support the Kings.
Sorry Transie, that’s your prez speaking.
20 Feb 2013, 12:06 pm
Hehehe… Gunther’s on fire today…Oscar could certainly do with a gladdebek like that in his corner.
20 Feb 2013, 12:06 pm
@Muttonbird-303:
Ah.
So you are regular troll then?
20 Feb 2013, 12:07 pm
@Muttonbird-303: we’re just experienced after having to put up with Poops for the last couple of years.
20 Feb 2013, 12:09 pm
@cane-296: nah, but he was visibly upset as he didnt think this type of thing happened because SA had cleaned up its sport
20 Feb 2013, 12:09 pm
The sad thisng about this debarcle is that its all about him, Oscar. did he do it?? That is what is consuming everyone.
Sadly someone has died and it is them that deserves the attention, not this idiot.
Guilty or not he pulled the trigger, man slaugher or murder he will go away for a long time.
But this poor girl will never be back, shes gone.
20 Feb 2013, 12:12 pm
oscar’s lawyer getting fired up…
20 Feb 2013, 12:13 pm
@Transformation-300: To be honest: this fellas sh y te has been coming a long while. The ‘Untouchables’….
Watch how many crawl out of the woodwork now. The ex GF (Taylor). Her mother for certain after the comments she made (re: Oscar promising to see a psychologist etc) and much much more. I believe that even kids who were at school with him, are now saying what a ‘bully’ he was etc.
By the time this gets to trial – it is going to be 900000000000000000 pages worth of Jackie Collins trash, with all of us lapping it up daily.
When heroes shy t e gets real, it’s a whole new level of fascination. (Armstrong is delighted by this of course, his name hasn’t been mentioned anywhere in the world since last week….)
20 Feb 2013, 12:14 pm
@Rage-305:
I dunno what I would say.
I’d probably ask Botha if he ordered the Code Red on Private Santiago.
20 Feb 2013, 12:14 pm
@Transformation-310:
Is this stuff live on TV Transie?
20 Feb 2013, 12:15 pm
@Muttonbird-303: a new kiwi troll. You are a bird dressed in mutton. Won’t you get more “hits” if you were woollybird.
20 Feb 2013, 12:15 pm
@NZMaori-309: Exactly. That is the point I was making in my answer to ‘Muttonbird’ above.
It’s all about the fallen hero, not the fallen innocent.
20 Feb 2013, 12:16 pm
@Muttonbird-303: careful, just conversing with me on this blog is tantamount to signing your own death warrant..
they dont like the microscope on their own country but are quite willing to focus the lens on another..
I am honoured that I am public enemy number one here though..
I wear it with pride, or mana as we like to say
20 Feb 2013, 12:18 pm
@NZMaori-309: yeah mate…even hougie was traums at thr funeral yesterday.
20 Feb 2013, 12:19 pm
@RL-314: The damn sheepshaggers
20 Feb 2013, 12:19 pm
@the curse-316:
He’s very similar to you except he admits he’s a troll.
mana indeed.
20 Feb 2013, 12:21 pm
And so the new South Africa shows it’s face.
Gogo, 91, raped in KwaZulu-Natal 2013-02-20 10:03
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Pietermaritzburg – Yet another elderly woman has been raped in KwaZulu-Natal.
The 91-year-old victim was repeatedly raped by a knife-wielding man in her home at Pietermaritzburg on Sunday.
Police are appealing for information that could lead to the arrest of the rape suspect.
Police spokesperson Lieutenant Joey Jeevan said the elderly woman was about to go to bed in her one-room house in kwaDindi in the Vulindlela area at about 21:00 when she heard a knock on the door, and then another on the window. She ignored the knocking.
“A short while later she noticed an unknown knife-wielding man climb into her room, through the window.”
The man instructed her to lie down on her bed and cover her face with a blanket and then raped her several times until the early hours of Monday morning.
“It is further alleged that the man threatened her and demanded cash. She handed over R250 that she had under her pillow and he fled from the scene,” Jeevan said in a statement.
She said the woman was treated in hospital and discharged.
20 Feb 2013, 12:21 pm
@gunther-319: Maybe Muttonchops is Poops Girl Friend
20 Feb 2013, 12:21 pm
@gunther-319: surely Maevis has taught you never to admit anything Gunther?
20 Feb 2013, 12:22 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-321: like the new niik bro, rugby talk get sick of you too?
20 Feb 2013, 12:23 pm
Roux making Botha concede more than a few things now. Won’t be enough for a scheduling reduction though?
Sheez, we’re in full trial mode in a Bail hearing. Unprecedented this.
Anyhow, where is my friend Bakkies. I want to reassure him re: the inherent goodness of man.
20 Feb 2013, 12:24 pm
@cane-301: Unfortunately not anymore.
It was done away with with the advent of the New!Improved! South Africa.
20 Feb 2013, 12:24 pm
@gunther-312: You can’t handle the truth!
20 Feb 2013, 12:24 pm
Roux is killing Botha. State on the ropes in a bail hearing…..?????
This is made for tv sh y te this.
20 Feb 2013, 12:25 pm
Defence ripping the cops testomony apart
20 Feb 2013, 12:26 pm
Botha admits to magistrate that he
“didn’t read the whole name” when
claiming testosterone found. Botha
on ropes, floundering.
10.22am GMT
— Daniel Howden
(@howden_africa)
February 20, 2013
Defence says police should never
have entered testosterone evidence.
It was testoconpasupium
20 Feb 2013, 12:27 pm
Defence attorney grouting his wet room with Hilty.
Police looking silly.
20 Feb 2013, 12:28 pm
@the curse-323:
This guppie swims round all the fish bowls on the interweb seeking justice for his ‘shorks: the best team to never win anything of substance – ever’.
(And he’s already warming up with a long list of unfortunate guppie injuries, which ‘can’ be used should the guppies not get off to a winning start in this tournie)
20 Feb 2013, 12:28 pm
@stormersboy-326:
You talking to Poepsie?
20 Feb 2013, 12:28 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-327: Bail hearing to be cut from 12 days to 10?
20 Feb 2013, 12:30 pm
What do you expect from Afrikaners,MK .?They still revere Hansie Cronje ,the Afrikaner that brought shame to our country.Smit is just another English boy in their eyes. In their minds they still fighting the English in the Boer war. why is it that Andre Odendaal never receives the same vitriol as the Watsons. He basically went the same way in fighting the evil system. Wake up you farking idiots- the war finished in 1902!
20 Feb 2013, 12:31 pm
@gunther-330: Inge Lotz all over again……..and we’re not even in trial mode yet.
I withdraw my statement that Peruval might be a waste of time. If this is the way the state are going to roll, even Peruval will tear their forensics apart……
vd Nest on Ballistics has his work not only cut out, but hampered, but bumbling Lead investigator.
Make a movie someone, plz.
20 Feb 2013, 12:32 pm
@gunther-332: Poopsie is the capo poodle of kiwi bloggers
20 Feb 2013, 12:33 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-331:
20 Feb 2013, 12:35 pm
@Transformation-329: Oh well then that changes everything. Let the poor fella go, he’s suffered enough.
20 Feb 2013, 12:35 pm
Roux: There could be a person with dangerous weapons in bathroom. “We have a person without his legs on wanting to protect himself and her.”
So dangerous he kaks himself and locks himself in the bathroom
20 Feb 2013, 12:35 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-336:
go on son, you can do better then that surely?
oh wait
youre a sharks fan
hahaha but hey, A for effort
20 Feb 2013, 12:36 pm
@NZINCHINA-67: Jani Allan
20 Feb 2013, 12:37 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-336: haha,Tyrone .you are so far stuck up Lambie’s a rse,it’s a miracle you still blog on rt and keo.
20 Feb 2013, 12:39 pm
@the curse-340:
Who is
“Sharks are gonna get you”?
20 Feb 2013, 12:40 pm
@cane-343: Sharks_Lover
he who sleeps with the fishes
20 Feb 2013, 12:42 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-333: Unreal. Purely from a judicial/legal perspective, this is breaking new ground sh y te this……
What I can’t understand, is how the SAP (after various bloopses/fuckups and embarassments……) manage to do it again? It’s usually left for the trial itself; their inevitable implosion on all things forensic etc etc etc.
Bail hearing BOOM.
(On a serious note: Miscarriages of justice in this country are no joke)
20 Feb 2013, 12:43 pm
@cane-343: Cane I am glad these W@nkers think i am SL, actually it’s all kinda funny
20 Feb 2013, 12:44 pm
this article was written on the come-down after the Luyt article. Keo got all Emo
20 Feb 2013, 12:44 pm
@Transformation-310: Tranny.Where are
you watching the trial?
20 Feb 2013, 12:44 pm
@the curse-344: @Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-336:
Welcome back sunshine.
20 Feb 2013, 12:46 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-346:
Well you certainly are not Sharksgirl or Puma.
So I think they could be right!
20 Feb 2013, 12:47 pm
testis compositum
Product Description
Indications:
For the temporary relief of symptoms
associated with male sexual weakness such
as; Lack of stamina, nocturnal emissions,
and male hormone imbalance.
20 Feb 2013, 12:47 pm
@ryecatcher-341: HYPOCRITE MUCH
20 Feb 2013, 12:48 pm
@bokfan1-347:
You actually read “The Article”.
I’m impressed Bokfanny. Very Impressed.
20 Feb 2013, 12:49 pm
@cane-350: He admitted it himself….in an attempt to convince us it ‘isn’t him.
He was bust like Lead investigator Botha.
12:33 – Karyn Maughan tweets: Roux is destroying Botha. This is like watching a baby seal getting clubbed.
20 Feb 2013, 12:49 pm
@cane-353: impressed he could read or that he had the attention span to finish it?
20 Feb 2013, 12:49 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-345: Thing is I think the Defense are playing their cards prematurely from a trial perspective. They are giving the prosecution a good idea of how far their game is behind, and they will be much tighter in the actual trial portion. They are trying to refute stuff just to get bail, when in fact they are pointing out potential holes in the prosecution’s case and giving them time to fix it.
Kind of like a practice match where you show the opposition all your fancy moves.
20 Feb 2013, 12:49 pm
Interesting that Sl never mentions the fact that they are talking about him on rt.He normally shares that info with his mates on rt.puma and sharkie forever basically the only sharks fans who intensely discusses sharks related stuff together.Give it up Tyrone !!
20 Feb 2013, 12:53 pm
@stormersboy-356:
Well spotted.
20 Feb 2013, 12:53 pm
Sheez I go away for 30 mins and the gloves come off.
Defence wins matches – AC
20 Feb 2013, 12:54 pm
309 MZmaori has this whole debacle spot on – gd knows why anymore coverage is wasted on this oke when the tragedy has already occurred
I suppose there’s a slim chance he’s telling the truth but everyone knows its a load of horseshit but I suppose that’s what one has to do make up some kind of passable bullshit story to fit a ludicrous set of facts
But how is a bloodied cricket bat even remotely explainable – what a fkup. Absolutely insane.
20 Feb 2013, 12:55 pm
@Transformation-351:
Oooops.
This is going to get messy. Very messy.
20 Feb 2013, 12:55 pm
@Transformation-351: You mean like Rhino Horn??
20 Feb 2013, 12:57 pm
@cab-360: The defense has asked Botha if any of the evidence is inconsistent with Oscar’s version of the events and he conceded that it was not.
Big ouch.
20 Feb 2013, 12:58 pm
@stormersboy-356: Oh indeed. And the state are still keeping their cards very close in terms of information and evidence. Remembering that Ballistic evidence is the key here, in terms of legs on or off. And those tests still being carried out etc.
The witness not a train smash, as they will simply move the trial to the estate (when the witness is on the stand at the high court) and simulate events from that day, to see if what the witness heard was probable or not from the distance etc.
So the state can still regather and recoup their losses here, BUT honestly: The SAP, and Botha more specifically, have been poor….very poor. This is a setback for the state, even in a bail hearing. He didn’t even do some of what is: Basic scene of crime 101.
Very sloppy, very sloppy indeed.
20 Feb 2013, 12:58 pm
@victoriabok-8: Hahahaha sies vir jou – maar dis n snaakse post.
Wat is die hele storie met Keo en die dwelms ens.? Baie mense noem dit op die blad en terg hom, maar is daar waarheid in die rumours of nie?
20 Feb 2013, 12:59 pm
@stormersboy-363: yeah, but has Oscar’s version actually raised a legally valid defence?
20 Feb 2013, 13:00 pm
The quasi testosterone herbal supplement is a red herring (not literally). Athletes are always looking for an edge, if it’s not testosterone and it’s not illegal or banned then it’s irrelevant.
All it’s done is show that the prosecution haven’t been nearly thorough enough.
20 Feb 2013, 13:01 pm
“We’re in terrible trouble” says junior prosecution official leaving court.
No shytes.
20 Feb 2013, 13:01 pm
@John Galt-359:
Even when it’s undeserved 
20 Feb 2013, 13:01 pm
@cab-360:
Does the Bloodied bat actually exist?
If so………………………………………….it is the “coup de grace” that will end this charade.
I understand SA does not have a Jury System.
This too will aid the Prosecution.
20 Feb 2013, 13:02 pm
@stormersboy-367:
Should never have entered it as evidence.
20 Feb 2013, 13:02 pm
@cane-353: Not sure if you are confusing me with someone else, but I read most of the articles on this site.
@the curse-355: You obviously didnt read the article d1ckface, because it speaks about trolls growing up. This means you.
for an old, bitter, washed up c#nt you really can act childish. Just sitting on this site all day, waiting for a comment so you can take a sideswipe at someone.
Get a girlfriend and leave yr flat sometimes.
20 Feb 2013, 13:03 pm
@stormersboy-367:
Bizarre…you can inject testis compositum, it is supposed to treat premature ejaculation and erectile disfunction.
But Oscar is a very healthy 26-year-old?
20 Feb 2013, 13:03 pm
363 do what’s the explanation for the cricket bat – this whole thing has unfortunately become a soap drama but I suppose justice must take its course. Horrendous stuff , another incident to give credence to removing guns from a gun-toting culture.
20 Feb 2013, 13:05 pm
@Angostura-366: In terms of pre meditated murder, yes possibly.
The state has to be careful now, if they go for broke, they risk losing everything in terms of charges. He’s certainly guilty of causing her death, most likely in a negligent and therefore culpable way. he admitted as much himself.
What that means from a criminal case perspective remains to be seen.
Remember, earlier this year a taxi driver was convicted of murder for jumping a rail crossing and causing a collision with an oncoming train. The state argued that he had to have considered the possibility that the scenario would happen and therefore is guilty of murder and not culpable homicide. I don’t agree with that at all but the courts did find him guilty.
20 Feb 2013, 13:05 pm
@cab-360: Well how much blood is there on this “bloodied cricket bat”?
That can be a very emotive title for something that can be relatively mundane. Like if he cut his hand trying to break the door (on the wood) then there might be some blood on the handle. but in the interests of selling newspapers, they will call it a “bloodied cricket bat”.
This is a hypothetical example, but you know what I mean. The press is very good at making extreme statements -this site has some great examples of this
20 Feb 2013, 13:05 pm
@bokfan1-372:
I was just being silly Bokfan.
Not one else seems bothered with “The Article”.
It’s all Oscar.
20 Feb 2013, 13:07 pm
@WP-Forever-373: Well if it encourages the production of testosterone in any way then it will most certainly have beneficial affects on training and performance. The same way eating lots of protein will.
20 Feb 2013, 13:08 pm
@stormersboy-375:
What you are referring to is extending dolus eventualis to qualify as intent for the purpose of murder.
If I throw a hand grenade over a wall and I do not know if there are people there, I do not intend to specifically kill someone. However, I should naturally foresee the very likely possibility of someone being there and that the resulting explosion would kill that person, and if I still proceed, then that qualifies as dolus eventualis which our criminal law has held to be enough for intention.
Intent is a vital element of murder.
20 Feb 2013, 13:08 pm
15. Hennie Daniller, 14. Willie le Roux, 13. Johann Sadie, 12. Robert Ebersohn, 11. Raymond Rhule, 10. Johan Goosen, 9. Piet van Zyl, 8. Philip van der Walt, 7. Lappies Labuschagne, 6. Frans Viljoen, 5. Francois Uys, 4. Lood de Jager, 3. Lourens Adriaanse, 2. Adriaan Strauss (captain), 1. Trevor Nyakane
Substitutes: 16. Ryno Barnes, 17. Coenie Oosthuizen, 18. Waltie Vermeulen, 19. Boom Prinsloo, 20 Sarel Pretorius, 21. Elgar Watts, 22. Ryno Benjamin
20 Feb 2013, 13:08 pm
@Angostura-366: We will have to wait for the trial…..
20 Feb 2013, 13:08 pm
@cane-377: Aaaah gotcha mate
Thought maybe you were having a debate with someone else and replied to me by mistake.
Yeah this Oscar story is ridiculous. I am currently in India on business, and its front page news even here! There was a 30 min documentary on the story on TV on Monday night! Crazy.
Equally crazy was the story about the NZ woman who drank herself to death on Coca Cola! She was drinking 20 litres a day and had a heart attack on the toilet! WTF
20 Feb 2013, 13:09 pm
go cheetahs!!
20 Feb 2013, 13:10 pm
@grant10-380: That backline is AWESOME!
Would love to see that line up for the Boks in just 1 Test.
That backline with the Stormers forwards would be an awesome team
20 Feb 2013, 13:10 pm
370 cane that’s what I heard in the news report but who knows in that madarse publicity frenzy – if he has done this **** tho I can’t believe the fkn lies, how can anyone live with themselves after
20 Feb 2013, 13:11 pm
@bokfan1-372: thanks, your response was one of a grown up and not one of a childish troll, oh wait, Ive seen you troll plenty
pot, kettle, etc etc
20 Feb 2013, 13:11 pm
What is this Kings propaganda???????
obviously Keo has looked into crystal ball and see that the Kings
will lose very heavily this season
20 Feb 2013, 13:11 pm
@bokfan1-382:
Actually……………………………..in NZ it was reported as 10 litres.
But WTF, thats a lot of Coke.
20 Feb 2013, 13:11 pm
@WP-Forever-379: Yes, I was just saying that the state could extend the same test here in Oscar’s case.
I didn’t agree with it in the case of the Taxi driver for some reason, although on an emotional level it left me very angry.
20 Feb 2013, 13:13 pm
@cane-350: Well they happen to be wrong, and i am neither of the 3,
So in your logic?? the Sharks only have 3 supporters??
Cane you got to think a little more then that mate 
20 Feb 2013, 13:13 pm
@WP-Forever-373: And what leads to premature ejaculation and erectile dysfunction? The use of ‘roids’. So the herbs are the cure for the troubles the ‘roids’ they didn’t find caused?
20 Feb 2013, 13:15 pm
@bokfan1-376: exactly .he used the bat to break down the bathroom door. What’s the possibility of the bat ended up in her blood? newspapers won’t entertain that fact because it messes up their sensational headlines.
20 Feb 2013, 13:16 pm
@stormersboy-389:
I’m a jurist by education, and I also felt it was going too far – it simply spreads the net of liability too wide.
As anyone who has written their legal principles of using deadly force test will tell you (and that includes any person with a valid firearms license in this country), you can’t simply fire your weapon, even in your own house. You have to be convinced that your or someone else’s life is in extreme danger, and even then your use of lethal force needs to be proportional to the threat.
Even if the defence proves he did not realise it was her in the bathroom, he still has a serious case to answer to.
20 Feb 2013, 13:16 pm
Actually some of the stories that come out of SA are completely batshit mad.
20 Feb 2013, 13:17 pm
@cab-385:
Exactly cab.
Who could live with themselves after this.
Murder or mistake.
Are you allowed to shoot burglars in SA?
20 Feb 2013, 13:18 pm
@WP-Forever-393: ain’t you a police reservist?
20 Feb 2013, 13:20 pm
@WP-Forever-393: I am too and agree with you 100%. He’s in trouble for sure, it is just the depth that has to be determined.
20 Feb 2013, 13:22 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-390:
You are a cremenous stunt.
20 Feb 2013, 13:23 pm
@stormersboy-397: I told you yesterday that Oscar does not have a leg to stand on!
20 Feb 2013, 13:23 pm
@WP-Forever-393: Many seem to forget that. It’s not about who was behind that door…..
It’s his use of his firearm which resulted in the death of a human being. He knew someone was in that bathroom.
20 Feb 2013, 13:24 pm
@S_K-396:
Technically I still am, yes, but I haven’t worked shifts in a long time since I’m studying part-time again.
20 Feb 2013, 13:25 pm
@cane-398: That the best you can do??
20 Feb 2013, 13:26 pm
Oscar is toast no matter what. They will get him either on Schedule 5 or 6. He had all the time to alert his girlfriend of the so-called danger,but he decided to play Rambo.Who was behind that door doesn’t matter at the end of the day.
20 Feb 2013, 13:26 pm
Prosecutors and attorneys must be (secretly, of course) delighted – such a wonderful PR occasion, they might wish it drags on forever.
@cane-395: As for shooting real burglars, you never know to what extent of no good what they are up to when they come to visit you sleeping and what they might be capable of, should they be confronted or surprised. I would probably shoot first, then ask questions, rather than risk my family.
If I had a gun, of course. I don’t.
20 Feb 2013, 13:26 pm
OScar has no case
20 Feb 2013, 13:27 pm
@WP-Forever-401: ok.good luck with the studies.
20 Feb 2013, 13:28 pm
@cane-388: Oops that was a typo – I meant to write 10
But yeah – its a lot. In SA that would mean about 5 litres of brandy a day
20 Feb 2013, 13:29 pm
It matters not who says what, for or against, 2 lives are ruined, besides all those personally effected by this.
20 Feb 2013, 13:29 pm
got to love how people can make jokes about Oscar and its ok..
must just be when I do it that it becomes a problem huh?
20 Feb 2013, 13:30 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-402:
You are a poster who displays some cunning stunts.
20 Feb 2013, 13:32 pm
@cane-410: Cane? I do not erver recall posting to you, problem with my posts? scroll by dude.
20 Feb 2013, 13:34 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-400: exactly.
20 Feb 2013, 13:35 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-411: Tyrone ‘s favourite line:’scroll by dude ‘.
20 Feb 2013, 13:37 pm
@S_K-403:
Rambo is his best possible position.
Cold blooded murderer his worst.
And I’m leaning towards his worst.
20 Feb 2013, 13:37 pm
when he gets agitated he starts making spelling errors…
.
20 Feb 2013, 13:37 pm
@stormersboy-375: If O P was correct, & there was a burglar behind the locked toilet door, & he had shot & killed the burglar in the circumstances he described he’d still be guilty of murder.
1. He admitted shooting the deceased, & that she is now dead.
2. There was no new, intervening act between his bullets striking her contributing to/causing her death.
3. On his version he must have intended (in the extended legal sense) killing the person behind the locked door, or at the very least, he must have at least foreseen the possibility of killing such person & reconciled himself with such eventuality.
4. His legal capacity has not been raised by the defence, so one can ignore this aspect.
5. Only the element of unlawfulness remains (self defence & emergency). This is an objective test. What he alleges he believed is irrelevant, imo. Objectively, he (& R S on his version) were not in imminent danger; the ‘burglar’ was locked & trapped in a toilet, he was armed, trained to handle a firearm & shoot, & ready & willing to shoot, & he had given R S Steenkamp an instruction to phone the Police (Security?). Objectively the situation was under control. He would only be justified in shooting if the burglar unlocked the door & rushed at him with a weapon/aimed a firearm at him, or in some other way posed a real & imminent danger to life or limb. (That is not the defence averments as I understand it, & I’m getting my 3rd hand info only from this site) Imo, O P had no right to shoot (3 or 4 times!) when he did. He’s conduct is unlawful, even on his own evidence.
And comes the trial proper, his own evidence may not even be accepted.
{imo}
20 Feb 2013, 13:38 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-411:
Okay.
20 Feb 2013, 13:39 pm
@Transformation-351:
Are you saying Odawg was a drooper not a doper?
20 Feb 2013, 13:43 pm
@Angostura-416: Good summation.
Its a matter of degree of culpability here, innocent is not an option IMO
20 Feb 2013, 13:44 pm
andrew harding @BBCAndrewH
“We’re in terrible trouble” says junior prosecution official leaving court.
10:49 AM – 20 Feb 13
20 Feb 2013, 13:45 pm
But why would a burglar lock himself in the toilet?
And why would someone shoot a burglar who has locked himself away?
This is not consistent with waking up in an outright panic flap – wtf wakes up and empties a geweer into a locked toilet on valentines day, let alone a celebrity? You couldn’t make this up if you tried.
20 Feb 2013, 13:45 pm
@WP-Forever-393:
There was a case late last year of parents waking up in the early hours of the morning after hearing a sound. Fearing that it was intruders, the father took out his pistol. When he heard a sound outside his bedroom door, he fired a shot/a few shots and heard a thud as if someone had fallen to the ground. When he opened the door he found his young daughter lying there…dead.
Don’t know if you can recall this incident but what do you think should happen to the father in this instance? Is that any different from the Oscar case?
20 Feb 2013, 13:46 pm
@WP-Forever-393: “You have to be convinced that your or someone else’s life is in extreme danger, and even then your use of lethal force needs to be proportional to the threat.”
Agree, just emotional shock has to be taken into account which does not let cool risk calculating and while victim (especially if he himself is neither that strong or brave) in theory should be contemplating the risk level he may end up shot or throat cut himself if not reacts swiftly. You can normally easily neutralize a child or early teenager, however older ones and adults may pose serious problem.
And after all, any burglar should blame himself if something happens to him in the first place, IMHO. Nobody forced him to break in.
Anyway, just my 2 cents about shooting burglars. Not directly about OP case, maybe he is just a killer – either deliberate or while going berserk.
20 Feb 2013, 13:48 pm
@Angostura-416:
True on all accounts. But!
We are living in a country where people get raped, their guts being pulled out.
Old people get tortured while being robbed by Clothing Iron.
People getting stabbed up to thirty times while being robbed.
People getting tied up with wire and thrown in baths of hot water while being robbed.
People getting bludgeoned to death with objects while being robbed.
So is it a reasonable response to shoot a suspected burglar in your house? Maybe we should ask the thousands of dead victims in this country.
In this case though i’m not sure i believe the robber scenario.
20 Feb 2013, 13:48 pm
@nama1-422: Good question.
20 Feb 2013, 13:50 pm
How come the Sharks always announe their team at the last possible moment??
20 Feb 2013, 13:50 pm
announce
20 Feb 2013, 13:53 pm
@Angostura-416: That is basically it.You got it spot on.Most of us are getting carried away with the woman behind the door. Under SA law he will even have great difficulty putting up a defence for self-defence.In America they might consider his mental state due to the fact that he was a victim of past crime,but not under SA law.
20 Feb 2013, 13:53 pm
Botha’s testimony being shown up to be as porous as a whores drawers.
20 Feb 2013, 13:54 pm
@grant10-426: Why not?
20 Feb 2013, 13:56 pm
@nama1-422:
I ask the question in light of the Vleis Visagie case where the state dropped all charges against him because “he suffered enough.” This after he shot and killed his daughter because he thought it was a car thief driving away in her car early in the morning.
20 Feb 2013, 13:56 pm
@nama1-422: Technically, that is murder.
A case similar to Vleis Visagie’s. As in Visagie’s case (& based on your cursory narration), the charge against the father should be withdrawn on compassionate grounds. This father has already been punished … pain, guilt & remorse will follow him for the rest of his life.
That case is different to that of O P – the facts, circumstances, & motive are not in dispute (I imagine).
20 Feb 2013, 13:56 pm
@nama1-422: Your might be referring to Rudi (Vleis) Visagie, former Bok lock?
But this was 2, maybe 3 years ago if memory serves?
20 Feb 2013, 13:57 pm
@willievz-433: Ahh ok, you mentioned the case after my post.
My bad
20 Feb 2013, 13:58 pm
@S_K-415: Correct
And soon to be followed by a loss of composure, which is easily spotted when his posts start to look like this: Brk baCKS lol sumtuhigf b is WRNG in captown.
Guppies…..
@Angostura-416: Bravo. Well said. (All they are going to throw in more than once when it comes to the nitty gritty, is that he was legless while ‘living’ through what he perceived to be an imminent threat, and that the reasonable man in his position (legless/unable to flee – eish sounds bad)’might possibly’ have ‘reacted/over reacted’ in the ‘excessive force used to contain the unseen threat’ manner he did…… I’m calling it the ‘sitting duck defence’.
And this too falls away, if the Ballistics show without any reasonable doubt, his legs were on at the time the shots were fired. I can see him having to ‘show’ the court how he shot without his legs on, to replicate the incident and trajectory….
A serious question: would the police have seized his prosthetic legs for further forensic testing etc? I would have.
Another question: How hard should this Hilton Botha twat be kicked? And how far? In CT alone I know of at least 10 detectives who would have smoked this case, inside and outside any courtroom. He must be replaced immediately, surely.
His guilt is not at question fortunately.
20 Feb 2013, 14:00 pm
Botha getting mauled.
This is like watching a seal being rapedbut in a really bad way.
20 Feb 2013, 14:01 pm
@Mr Black-430: serious question….just want to know if its a tactical type thing or not…dont be so defensive Ruiter in Swart
20 Feb 2013, 14:02 pm
@John Galt-429: Hangdog detective conceding case point by point to a better prepared defence. #oscarpistorius no longer crying
Embarassing for the state…..and the eyes of the world are on us. Must be honest, it is obvious Prosecutor Nel put far too much faith in his lead investigator…..whatafuckingjoke.
20 Feb 2013, 14:03 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-435:
At least ten?
that’s odd.
Because up there they can’t even find one.
The guy who put him in charge needs to take early retirement.
@S_K-415:
Just like you.
Of wait……
20 Feb 2013, 14:03 pm
@nama1-422:
In the case you referred to the father was woken by the sound of his dogs’ frantic barking, went to investigate and saw an allegedly ARMED intruder at the foot of the staircase and another one climbing through a window. He then fetched his gun and tragically kiled his daughter who was rushing to the door of her parents bedroom.
Not exactly the same as firing 4 shots into a small room after hearing a sound inside it.
20 Feb 2013, 14:05 pm
@grant10-426:
They are a team that base their team selections and game tactics on what the opponents look like, do that.
A team that is scared and do not have confidence in its own abilties or do not believe enough in itself.
That is why they have to see what their opponent look like before they select and announce their team.
20 Feb 2013, 14:10 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-438:
And now there is no house in Italy.
And the offshore bank account is dormant from which no cash can be withdrawn from.
Sheez, who hired this Botha guy?
20 Feb 2013, 14:10 pm
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/oscar-case-no-signs-reeva-was-assaulted-1.1473829#.USS8fh2LCJc
20 Feb 2013, 14:11 pm
@nama1-441:
you forgot the
nama…
unless you were being serious.
20 Feb 2013, 14:11 pm
@Robzim-440:
OK, was just recalling the incident.
20 Feb 2013, 14:14 pm
@charo-444:
I’ll give you two of them, Charo.
20 Feb 2013, 14:15 pm
@gunther-439: you’ve got issues,buddy. Scroll by if you don’t like my posts.
20 Feb 2013, 14:16 pm
@gunther-439: Much pressure now on the poor ballistics fella, vd Nest to ‘save the state’ come trial time.
What he says, makes or breaks the premeditation thing. Legs on, legs off, wax on, Oscar off.
It’s going to boil down to Oscar demostrating how the shy t e went down, on his stumps in the high court. If vd Nest says bullets were angled full height, standing position – no ways from a ‘normal kneeling/his standing’ position, it’s up to OP to demonstrate how it ‘can’ be possible, along with Peruval
(who I am looking most forward to hearing more from…..)
Peruval was blown out the court in the Kroeser case in KZN. The cop who murdered his wife and claimed self defence. He stabbed himself in the stomach and then shot his wife..alleging ‘self defence’. Peruval pulled out all sorts to try and back this up…….but alas.
(I have an interest in femicide, and the perpetrators)
20 Feb 2013, 14:16 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-435: I’m not watching TV or watching running online commentary of the bail hearing, but police stuffing up prosecution cases happens so frequently, that at least some of these cases must be due to some of the police being on the take (one would think).
In the old days (coz I’m old,
this kind of thing used to happen especially in the drug courts. SANAB members would waltz in & give flawless evidence, SANAB member after SANAB corroborating the previous member’s evidence, & the small fry drug pushers get convicted – beautiful. But the following week those selfsame star witness would bring in a huge drug haul & a well known, big drug lord as the accused, but THEN you just knew what was going to happen: uncertain witnesses contradicting themselves & their colleagues, & the drug lord invariably acquitted.
Commerce, not Justice …
20 Feb 2013, 14:20 pm
@Angostura-449: Read this:
Roux says that when Botha was in Pistorius’s house he was walking around without protective shoes on. Botha says that’s right, but it was not deliberate
Ohdearestfuck. The lead investigator, tramples through the house (crime scene) without covering his own shoes………………
I hang my head and weep.
20 Feb 2013, 14:21 pm
@nama1-446:
i knew you could do it
20 Feb 2013, 14:21 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-448:
Premeditation can still be proven, regardless of whether Oscar intended to kill Reeva or a burglar. The motive may be different but the killing was certainly intentional, it just depends whether the court sees extenuating circumstances, imo.
20 Feb 2013, 14:21 pm
@Robzim-440: exactly. we can’t have this scenario developing where people just blindly discharges their weapons upon hearing sounds .Gun laws and self-defence claims are clear as daylight under SA law.
20 Feb 2013, 14:22 pm
@S_K-447:
why are you hiding behind a new name?
20 Feb 2013, 14:28 pm
@John Galt-442:
More pertinently, who prepped him. That’s the prosecutors job.
20 Feb 2013, 14:30 pm
@John Galt-442: This has to be the sloppiest and shoddiest piece of “investigation” I have ever stumbled on.
I am very rarely quiet to the point of total silence…..this is one of those rare occasions.
Horrified.
Mortified.
And I have to ask myself this question (not to pissanyoneoff) but because we live in SA, and it’s relevant. If Hilton Botha happened to have the name, Siya Sibongile, what would reactions be? – genuinely not wanting upset anyone, just something that springs to mind)
20 Feb 2013, 14:30 pm
We need to ask Nortie if all cops are so stupid…….
20 Feb 2013, 14:32 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-456:
The only reaction from me is why even bring up the race card. It consumes you Sharks Lady.
20 Feb 2013, 14:33 pm
@David-455:
andrew harding @BBCAndrewH
“We’re in terrible trouble” says junior prosecution official leaving court.
10:49 AM – 20 Feb 13
20 Feb 2013, 14:34 pm
Cane – what’s this?
“You are a cremenous stunt.”
20 Feb 2013, 14:35 pm
@gunther-459:
If the prosecution are in trouble, then that’s good for Oscar?
Or am I being dof.
20 Feb 2013, 14:36 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-450: ja sus
20 Feb 2013, 14:36 pm
@Dawn-461:
Seems like it.
20 Feb 2013, 14:37 pm
@David-452: No question of intent. It’s the ‘unlawful’ part…..
@David-455: I reckon Nel had a rather inflated opinion of Botha’s abilities, both as an investigator, and as a witness……..?
Rule 2: Fight Club: Never make statements that you can’t back up and never ask questions you don’t already know the answers to in court.
It’s been brutal.
And now it seems Botha has a history with OP? Oh dear.
20 Feb 2013, 14:38 pm
@Dawn-461: but not good for Reeva… the victims are the last consideration in most places around the world..
20 Feb 2013, 14:38 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-456:
Valid and good question.
I, for one, am fecking glad it was not a dark person handling the investigation and f.uck up, like it seems this guy is doing..
The usual supects will now try and put the race card on YOU.
20 Feb 2013, 14:39 pm
@Mr Black-458:
You should change your nic to Mr White
I mean after all it’s the Great White shark not the Great Black shark
20 Feb 2013, 14:39 pm
@the curse-465:
No argument there
20 Feb 2013, 14:41 pm
@Mr Black-458: Nope. We live in SA. It is something that interests me that’s all. Certainly not attacking anyone. Just throwing it out there. For some reason I do think of these things and question them from time to time……..sorry if it offends you.
20 Feb 2013, 14:43 pm
@nama1-466:
Do you enjoy it more when white okes F.. Up?
20 Feb 2013, 14:43 pm
So if this Botha is fecking up Oscar may sleep at home tonight?
20 Feb 2013, 14:43 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-456:
” t. If Hilton Botha happened
to have the name, Siya Sibongile, what
would reactions be? ”
you are being unnecessary!
tltltl
20 Feb 2013, 14:45 pm
@Transformation-472:
Why?
What do you think the reactions would be
20 Feb 2013, 14:47 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-469:
It doesn’t offend me at all. It surprises me that people think that way. That was the last thing on my mind, his race, but each to their own i guess.
20 Feb 2013, 14:49 pm
I don’t understand this “intent” part.
Why would he wait until she got up at 4H00 to pee before he killed her in the toilet. Does not make sense.
Kill the person in the room during the argument and set-up the scene if you so want to kill the person.
20 Feb 2013, 14:50 pm
@nama1-466: I’ve never given muchofafuck what anyone thinks of me to be honest
I throw my thoughts out there because I often wonder if I’m the only one thinking in a certain way etc.
If my thoughts offend folk, I often apologise, but I’m still going to throw them out there.
20 Feb 2013, 14:50 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-464:
“And now it seems Botha has a history with OP? Oh dear.”
Oscars probably offered him a ride in his McLaren.
20 Feb 2013, 14:51 pm
have they done toxicology reports on both Reeva and Oscar?
20 Feb 2013, 14:51 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-456:
Me personally?
I just see him as an incompetent baffoon.
Like most coppers in this country.
20 Feb 2013, 14:54 pm
@David-477:
Is Botha trying to nail Oscar because he wrongly arrested him before?
Defence will work that angle i presume.
20 Feb 2013, 14:54 pm
@the curse-478: I’m sure they have.
But I also think these things take quite a while to get the results back.
That’s if the vials don’t go missing…
20 Feb 2013, 14:55 pm
@John Galt-479:
John, these Stormer supporters see a stupid white cop and us Sharkies see a stupid cop.
Wat more can i say
20 Feb 2013, 14:56 pm
@Mr Black-480:
The prosecution brought it up.
I think they are trying to show the magistrate that baby has a temper.
20 Feb 2013, 14:56 pm
@Dawn-471: ewe but most want oscar to fry!
20 Feb 2013, 14:59 pm
@nama1-475: Firing 4 shots into a confined space is intent to kill, when you know ‘someone’ is behind that door. It’s a 1.4m by 1.4m space. It’s excessive in relation to the ‘perceived threat’.
He intended to kill whoever was behind that door.
@David-477: He was the investigating officer when that 19 year old laid assault charges against OP a few years back. Botha admitted he believed Pistorious’s version of events back then, and the charge was squashed. He’s obviously a ‘Johnny local’ detective.
20 Feb 2013, 15:00 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-481: cheers, good start to the season for your boys..
20 Feb 2013, 15:03 pm
@the curse-486: Thanks mate, and I wish you a good one for the Blues as well.
In fact, what the He.l, I wish all teams’ supporters a good start to the season.
Except the Kinks of course.
20 Feb 2013, 15:04 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-476:
Maybe the investigating officer was just very nervous; this could be his first high profile case.
I guess it is difficult to be in their shoes. How do you maintain objectivity? If he was called out to OP’s place before, it would have influenced him no doubt. Maybe he was told to drop the charges. I think he said: it did not go any further, so he has to accept responsibility as the person who gave the instruction is also listening to what he says.
Also, as the investigating officer who no doubt rely on other parties to inform him he should take extra. Maybe say: I am still waiting for this information, because once you say it as fact you have to back it up.
Just a question: how safe is it for Oscar to be out there?
Opinions are hugely divided and there’s huge anger that he pulled the trigger on someone like Reeva.
20 Feb 2013, 15:05 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-487:
20 Feb 2013, 15:05 pm
@the curse-486: lol canberrs via jozi
20 Feb 2013, 15:05 pm
@the curse-478: Takes a while for those tests to be concluded in SA Pops. Results take ages…..I’m sure they will hurry them up in this case though, ready for trial in 6 months or so. ***yesitisthatbad***
In some rape cases, it takes years for the DNA testing to be concluded. The backlogs are rather tragic. Can’t blame the police: they can only do what the resources they have allow.
20 Feb 2013, 15:07 pm
@Mr Black-470:
No…don’t try and change the subject.
You know exactly the reason why Pedi made that comment. You, and some others, would’ve had a field day right now if the investigator was black. Don’t try and deny it.
“That was the last thing on my mind, his race,…” Oh, you already did try to deny it.
20 Feb 2013, 15:07 pm
@Mr Black-482: Exactly boet, but wait5 for it !!!! soon they will say it was us saying what they actually did,
20 Feb 2013, 15:07 pm
the ANC Women’s League want Oskido to fry in jail…
20 Feb 2013, 15:08 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-491: DNA tests take a while everywhere, was more a blood test type of thing I was asking..
was he boozed up, on recreational drugs etc? being close to valentines he may have had too much and as such could have triggered his actions?
just hypothesising though, trial by media is something Id never want to endure..
20 Feb 2013, 15:09 pm
they were here in PE at the funeral yesterday, they want him to do time.
20 Feb 2013, 15:11 pm
@Sheriff-488: ” that he pulled the trigger on
someone like Reeva.”
someone like her, pretty person?
20 Feb 2013, 15:13 pm
@the curse-495: Blood alcohol tests take months here as well………….. The reason so many drunk drivers get off scott free at times.
Drug testing, same amount of time….
I’m sure they’ll rush these tests though….6 – 12 months…..
20 Feb 2013, 15:13 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-485:
But does it not make a difference if his intention was to kill the “intruder” and that he never intended to kill his girl? Killing her instead was therefor an accident.
Just asking because this is becoming weirder by the hour.
20 Feb 2013, 15:16 pm
@gunther-312: lol.One good man
20 Feb 2013, 15:16 pm
@Transformation-496:
Yeah, the Mayor called Oscar “a danger to society.”
How does she know that? Hearsay? Newspaper articles?
20 Feb 2013, 15:20 pm
@victoriabok-13: Nice one
Cheeky Watson, the anti-apartheid activist and father of Luke, will not be supporting the Boks at the World Cup.
When asked if he would back the team in France, Watson told the Cape Argus: “I’m answering diplomatically: I’d rather not comment on that issue.” When asked if he supported John Smit as captain, he simply said: “no comment”.
Watson said he would have liked to have seen a team sent to the World Cup that is more representative of South Africa and that there should be six players of colour in the Bok starting XV. He added that while white players are given plenty of chances to prove themselves, a black player is dropped after the first bad game he has.
When asked if he believed the current Boks supported democracy, Watson said: “The majority of the players who stand up there are holding on to the Bok emblem as if it’s their life blood. I don’t know if they’d hold the flag with the same passion.”
While Watson refused to call the Boks racist he said they took the “least line of resistance most of the time. There’s not a culture for standing up for what is right and wrong. It’s all about rugby and not about social and rugby issues.”
Watson insisted he would not like Luke to be playing at this World Cup, but he would shout his son’s selection “from the roof tops” if it was a transformed team.
20 Feb 2013, 15:21 pm
@nama1-499: Intent to kill is intent to kill. Doesn’t matter who it was behind the door. The question comes in: was the killing (which was intentional) unlawful.
@Sheriff-488: No – fuckall to do with nerves. His investigation was sloppy and shoddy. Even a twat on the street knows (from watching CSI in most cases…) that you preserve the integrity of the crime scene at all costs. This moron walked it without covering his shoes…….transference, trampling all over fucknows what and dropping off bits of sand from the park down the road as he walked into the bathroom etc? The defence has already put it out there….and going to trial, this could be huge. They can (and no doubt will) question each and every piece of physical evidence collected and processed. Huge fuckup IMHO.
Contaminating a crime scene……
Apart from that, he seems clueless in basic investigation. Didn’t check for other phones? WTF? Didn’t do this…didn’t do that…. Didn’t know the name of what ‘drugs’ he seized, or what it was?
No, amateur hour it seems.
20 Feb 2013, 15:21 pm
Sharif likes pretty people
20 Feb 2013, 15:22 pm
@Atlas-502: One can’t blame people for not supporting the Kings then.
20 Feb 2013, 15:22 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-498: no breathlysers in SA?
20 Feb 2013, 15:24 pm
@willievz-505: yup
20 Feb 2013, 15:24 pm
@Transformation-497:
Yes, that is a part of this drama that is not articulated but it is an extra dimension.
She was indeed pretty and subconsciously people look at her pics and say to themselves: No man, Oscar…
People take this trial personally.
So as irrational as it may sound it may trigger (no pun intended) someone to do something irrational if they bump into him. As it is, as a society we are bombarded with images of violence and people are angry and frustrated.
20 Feb 2013, 15:25 pm
@the curse-506: Boet, with all the brandy & coke we drink they can’t make one strong enough to register a reading…
20 Feb 2013, 15:28 pm
@the curse-506: we have breathalysers – but they not acceptable proof of blood/alcohol content in a court law – police use breathalysers as a guide as to who to arrest & then subject to a blood test
20 Feb 2013, 15:30 pm
From now on when somebody ask me if I support the Kings against overseas teams, my answer will start with “I’m answering diplomatically: I’d rather not comment on that issue.”
I like
20 Feb 2013, 15:30 pm
@Mr Black-480:
I wasn’t aware of that.
20 Feb 2013, 15:31 pm
@Dawn-504: that would explain his near-obsessive liking of you then
20 Feb 2013, 15:31 pm
@Sheriff-508: Nope, this the RSA – you’re talkin about the USA
20 Feb 2013, 15:32 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-509:
@Angostura-510: here they have the roadside ones, then if positive you are taken back to the station and are tested on another machine..if you refuse the machine they will take blood, but the machine at the station is acceptable proof of being over the limit.. or so Im told
20 Feb 2013, 15:33 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-503:
I hear you.
What do you think his brother knows?
Interesting: His full names are Oscar Leonard CARL Pistorius and his brother also CARL
20 Feb 2013, 15:34 pm
@the curse-515: We have roadside anti-breathalysers here…they’re called ATMs.
20 Feb 2013, 15:37 pm
@the curse-515: I think I’ve read our authorities are also testing breathalysers with a view to finding one that will be regarded as acceptable proof.
It will greatly speed up drunk driving trials if they do so.
20 Feb 2013, 15:38 pm
@the curse-506: Asked and answered by Agostura above
@Sheriff-508: I take it personally (as I do many crimes in which women fall victim), because as a woman I am utterly fed up with the ease in which so many menfolk manage to evade any sort of justice. Our system caters for slaps on the wrist or less. Those supposed to be fighting in the corner of the victim (in this case Reeva’s) have already let her down……and the sad thing? It’s not that unexpected.
I have money and can afford the best defence money can buy.
The fact that Dewani chose SA to execute his masterplan, says it all.
We should all be fed up, for the right reasons.
20 Feb 2013, 15:40 pm
@willievz-505: ” One can’t blame people for not
supporting the Kings then.”
us Kings supporters have beseeched nobody to support our team, it has been more the so-called “honest rugby supporters” (read verkrampte) who have been screamin to anyone who can listen that THEY won’t support the kings
like who fcking asked you?
20 Feb 2013, 15:41 pm
@Transformation-513:
So you’re using me to hit on Dawn?
It would seem that OP has a clear preference for blondes
20 Feb 2013, 15:42 pm
@Transformation-513:
20 Feb 2013, 15:42 pm
So, which teams for S15 Round 2, other than the usual suspect, have not yet been selected?
Anyone?
20 Feb 2013, 15:42 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-517:
20 Feb 2013, 15:42 pm
@Angostura-523: selected = announced (I meant)
20 Feb 2013, 15:43 pm
@Transformation-513:
How hot is Dawn on a scale of 1 – 10.
1 being Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma and 10 being Thandi Newton.
20 Feb 2013, 15:43 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-519:
I cannot disagree with you.
20 Feb 2013, 15:45 pm
@Transformation-520:
Calm down
Sheeky (KING_01EP) said it was the right thing to do in your quote.
Anyone with integrity would support them he said.
20 Feb 2013, 15:46 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-519: agree on your point to Sheriff, its the way the world is unfortunately…
@Angostura-518: thanks, would have thought theyd all be similar anyways
20 Feb 2013, 15:46 pm
@blue and white stripes-526: lol
20 Feb 2013, 15:46 pm
@Transformation-520: ” Kings supporters have beseeched nobody to support our team, it has been more the so-called “honest rugby supporters” (read verkrampte) who have been screamin to anyone who can listen that THEY won’t support the kings”
I’m Screamin
20 Feb 2013, 15:47 pm
@blue and white stripes-526:
she’s a 12 being Selena Gomez
20 Feb 2013, 15:47 pm
@blue and white stripes-526:
She is HOT?NOT!
20 Feb 2013, 15:49 pm
@gunther-528: I keep seeing KING_01EP? Is that Cheeky’s registration?
20 Feb 2013, 15:50 pm
@Sheriff-533:
Your online persona makes you come across as a HOT?NOT!
20 Feb 2013, 15:50 pm
@Sheriff-533:
NOT THAT I CAN RECALL…
But I digress, it seems T is using me as a vehicle to achieve his own personal goals, eish
20 Feb 2013, 15:52 pm
Bottomline is that its bullshit that someone gets gunned down in their own toilet, got nothing to do with male female, pretty or lelik, whether he’s legless or not – it’s bullshit end of. I don’t think he can fry cos SA don’t have frying no longer, but there’s a life been taken that needs to be accounted for and that’s the whole point.
20 Feb 2013, 15:53 pm
@Transformation-520: You know that I will be supporting the Kings, a team representing SA, in the S15.
I merely pointed out that Cheeky should not kick up a fuss if my neighbour does not follow suit.
20 Feb 2013, 15:53 pm
@Sheriff-536: from transformation to manipulation, you say?
20 Feb 2013, 15:54 pm
@blue and white stripes-535:
You hardly know me and you insult me.
I don’t believe we’ve met…hi, I am Sheriff
20 Feb 2013, 15:55 pm
@Atlas-502: I am glad Luke doesn’t support the Springboks. We dont want c*nts supporting us.
20 Feb 2013, 15:55 pm
@Sheriff-540:
I’ve read your post in the past.
You the creepy one.
20 Feb 2013, 15:56 pm
The Sharks
1. Tendai Mtawarira
2. Craig Burden
3. Jannie du Plessis
4. Anton Bresler
5. Franco van der Merwe
6. Jacques Botes
7. Marcell Coetzee
8. Ryan Kankowski
9. Cobus Reinach
10. Patrick Lambie
11. Lwazi Mvovo
12. Francois Steyn (Captain)
13. Paul Jordaan
14. JP Pietersen
15. Louis Ludik
Replacements
16. Kyle Cooper
17. Wiehahn Herbst
18. Pieter-Steph du Toit
19. Jean Deysel
20. Charl McLeod
21. Meyer Bosman
22. Odwa Ndungane
20 Feb 2013, 15:57 pm
@Angostura-539:
But give credit to the person for spotting the opportunity
20 Feb 2013, 15:57 pm
@Dusky-541: Agree 100%
20 Feb 2013, 15:59 pm
@blue and white stripes-542:
Is that so? Sorry if I offended you.
We must not be over sensitive.
In a nutshell: what do you make of the Oscar case?
20 Feb 2013, 16:00 pm
@John Galt-543: thx – yay, Cobus Reinach! – rest as expected
20 Feb 2013, 16:02 pm
@Angostura-547:
Yeah, expect Reinach and Mcleod to be rotated heavily this season.
Plum “We’ve picked a side that has the most experience for the occasion. Scrumhalf was a horses for courses selection in terms of the strengths I require for the day.”
20 Feb 2013, 16:03 pm
@gunther-528: he was referring to PE/EC people of integrity
certainly not gautengers…
20 Feb 2013, 16:03 pm
@blue and white stripes-542:
What I meant to say is: if you could formulate a legal opinion of the matter thus far, what would you say?
20 Feb 2013, 16:05 pm
@Transformation-549:
But what about the PE people of integrity who support the Crusaders?
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-534:
yes and Transie is KING_10EP.
minime.
20 Feb 2013, 16:06 pm
@blue and white stripes-526: thandi newton is not that pretty, try harder!
20 Feb 2013, 16:06 pm
@Sheriff-546:
I don’t think it was premeditated.
He gave hope to this nations people whether they were diabled or not.
He deserves a fair trial and we can judge him after that.
20 Feb 2013, 16:06 pm
Winning IS everything, isn’t
That is why you do sports/business/ life/ excettera excettera
20 Feb 2013, 16:08 pm
@gunther-551: KING 10 EC get right…that’s how i roll beeeyatch
20 Feb 2013, 16:08 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-519: Well said lady.I have a wife,daughter&grandaughter.
The possibility of any of them suffering from SA type trauma is statistically
very high.
20 Feb 2013, 16:09 pm
@blue and white stripes-553:
I think you’re right.
I canNOT disagree with you.
20 Feb 2013, 16:10 pm
@Transformation-552:
Then who would you put there as your preferred 10?
Lindiwe Sisulu?
20 Feb 2013, 16:10 pm
@Transformation-552:
Nomsebenzi Tsotsobe. Now she is hot.
20 Feb 2013, 16:10 pm
@John Galt-543: Still a good team. Injuries or not. Just not 100% sure about your captain. In the absence of Keegan and Bissie, I would have thought Lambie’s potential as a captain could be explored.
Just me though.
20 Feb 2013, 16:11 pm
(Every time I type ‘NOT’ my capslock goes on, apologies)
20 Feb 2013, 16:12 pm
@Sheriff-558:
Lindiwe Mazibuko
mo cushin for da pushin.
@Transformation-555:
calm down.
20 Feb 2013, 16:12 pm
No Deysel …..thought he would be a shoo in for Alberts?
20 Feb 2013, 16:13 pm
mobile sharks pack…..
as is the cheetahs…
20 Feb 2013, 16:14 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-560:
Lambie still a bit young I think. Another 2 or 3 seasons he should be good.
@grant10-563:
Personally Im glad he’s not starting. For a while I thought they were going to start with Deysel and Coetzee which would have been a mistake.
20 Feb 2013, 16:17 pm
Where’s Dawn?NOT here?
20 Feb 2013, 16:17 pm
@gunther-562:
Is Lindi Mazibuko your 10 then?
20 Feb 2013, 16:18 pm
@gunther-551: Minime
@Transformation-555: Are you in government?
@ryecatcher-556: Howdy Rye. Hope you are well.
20 Feb 2013, 16:19 pm
Later
20 Feb 2013, 16:20 pm
@grant10-563: yes, Deysel for Alberts would be like for like, & Botes is a mild surprise, but Coetzee is an incumbent squad Bok, & Botes plays more towards the ball than most definitely Deysel & Kanko, & even Marcel Coetsee
Given the 4 candidates in the running, I think this the most balanced trio
20 Feb 2013, 16:20 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-568: Same hope for you & Dawn,
20 Feb 2013, 16:20 pm
@Sheriff-567:
Fraulein Gunther is my ten Sharif.
20 Feb 2013, 16:20 pm
@Sheriff-567:
20 Feb 2013, 16:21 pm
@blue and white stripes-559: nomsi has a great body but the grill hahaha you’d be kissing lobsy with a banging body bwahahahaha
try Pearl Thusi, Joy Bryant, Zoe Saldana, Solange Knowles. Ashleu Madekwe
20 Feb 2013, 16:21 pm
@ryecatcher-571:
Is then sun over the yardarm in natal?
20 Feb 2013, 16:23 pm
@John Galt-565: I reckon he’s more mature and level headed than Frans Steyn though?
Maybe Steyn surprises me, he just wouldn’t have been my choice.
20 Feb 2013, 16:24 pm
Something for you Grant
Stormers captain Jean de Villiers is positive his team can make an early impact on the South African Conference when they face the Bulls at Loftus on Friday.
De Villiers, who is a veteran of eight Super Rugby tournaments, is no stranger to the first game of the season and the emotions that come with it.
“I have been playing for a while now and whenever you get to this time of the season the excitement picks up and you get excited by what lies ahead.
“We know it is going to be a tough start for us but you can see the change in mood at training and everyone is upbeat and looking forward to the game on Friday,” the stand-in captain said.
The Stormers stalwart mentioned the importance as well as the ability of his side to play well away from home:
“The attitude towards playing away from home has changed a helluva lot and if you have a look at our track record over the last four to five years it’s been really good away from home and if anything we have probably been disappointing at home in crucial games.”
De Villiers also knows what it takes to go to Pretoria and win and understands the hardships of making the trip up to the highveld.
“Loftus will always be a challenge for any team going there, there is a lot that counts against you when you go up there. The altitude, the big crowd that comes in and they are a quality side.”
The centre also mentioned: “We have had a good preseason and have done a lot of running and yes it is different playing up there and I think the fact that we are playing at night will help with that and when the adrenalin starts going you don’t really think about that.”
The Stormers who have dominated the South African conference for the past two seasons are well aware of the importance of this season in setting themselves up as consistently one of the top three teams in the tournament.
In 2013, De Villiers believes that the squad is as strong as it has ever been and is excited by the new additions who will be making their debuts this Friday.
“I think that he is a great player [de Allende] and you wouldn’t think that he is playing in his first Super Rugby game. He enjoys what he is doing, he enjoys being in this environment and he is flipping good at what he does.
“He has got a really good pass and the same with Elton [Jantjies] at 10 opens up opportunities out wide and with the back three that we have got it gives us a lot of striking power out-wide as well,” he explained.
De Villiers, who spent a lot of his career at No.12, will once again find himself at No. 13 and he feels that this is not an issue as he has played there a lot in the past eight months.
“I have played there before, I have played there for the Stormers there quite a bit and obviously a lot last year for the Boks and it is something I am comfortable with and looking at the players that we do have I think that is the best mix for this weekend.”
The Springbok captain also said: “It take a load off Juan and myself knowing that there three guys like [de Allende], Jaco [Taute] who can slot in there, Bryan [Habana] can slot in there as well and the depth in our squad is much better this year.”
He also made a comment on the loss of Schalk Burger: “Schalk will be missed whenever he is not playing, as a player, as a leader and just his brutality that he brings to the pack.”
With this said, it gives the other forwards the opportunity to step into more senior leadership roles with a number of new and fresh players joining the Stormers.
The Stormers are going to have their work cut out for them when they travel to Pretoria and take on a Bulls team that have quietly gone about their pre-season business without much fuss. They have a strong squad and will be looking to take the scalp of the conference champions early in the season.
20 Feb 2013, 16:24 pm
@John Galt-543:
Hope he’ll keep on playing Coetzee at 7. He is no 6.
That trio can do a lot of damage at the break down.
20 Feb 2013, 16:26 pm
@gunther-562: i’m calm as francois hougaard with his car broken at Silver Woods Estate…
20 Feb 2013, 16:27 pm
@Angostura-570: marcelle is a wonderful player…..Kanko had some question marks over conditioning….
20 Feb 2013, 16:28 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-568: i wish
20 Feb 2013, 16:28 pm
@Atlas-577: thanks…stormers by 4…
20 Feb 2013, 16:29 pm
@nama1-578: Agree…Marcelle a 7…maybe even a 8
6??? Not a fark…
20 Feb 2013, 16:29 pm
@Transformation-574:
A great body indeed.
20 Feb 2013, 16:30 pm
@gunther-575: The countdown has started.
20 Feb 2013, 16:32 pm
@blue and white stripes-584: you’re smirking like you sampled the goods before! heeeeeh.
she was solly-t’s squeeze back in the cut.
20 Feb 2013, 16:33 pm
@grant10-580: Hi grant.Slight correction.
MarcellE with an E at the end is a girls name.Marcel Regards.
20 Feb 2013, 16:34 pm
grant = Grant
20 Feb 2013, 16:36 pm
@ryecatcher-587: thanks…
20 Feb 2013, 16:43 pm
And this for Transie
Kings accept underdog tag
Any doubt about Southern Kings’ status in their debut Super Rugby season was emphatically removed on the eve of their campaign.
Kings captain Luke Watson admitted at their first team announcement they were unfancied to perform against the top Super Rugby sides.
“Underdogs for this game? I think we will be the underdogs for the whole season,” Watson said.
Like any Super Rugby rookie team, the Kings will not be aiming to win the competition. Rather, their chief priority will be to avoid excess humiliation and try and avoid a promotion-relegation playoff against the wounded Lions at the end of the season.
They would have to finish fourth in the South African conference, which would be a considerable achievement given that several of their players have not been exposed to the standards of Super Rugby before.
Their entry into the tournament comes with many still questioning their right to be there and they can expect little sympathy should things come unstuck.
Southern Kings president Cheeky Watson said they had been dealt with a deck stacked against them, while Kings director of rugby Alan Solomons recently emphasised the tricky task they faced once they had been given the green light.
“The recruitment process was bedevilled when the decision to let the Kings play Super Rugby was only made on August 16,” Solomons said.
“That made it difficult to recruit players in Europe and, domestically, it also made it challenging.”
Facing criticism on the lack of black representation in the franchise, Solomons believed many talented players from the region – the Ndungane twins, Lwazi Mvovo and Siya Kolisi – were forced to join other franchises because of the Eastern Cape’s lack of opportunity.
Since Solomons linked up with the Kings, they had followed a policy of ‘keep them home, bring them home’, and he was hoping this would stem the exodus of promising young players from the region.
The franchise is ostensibly made up from Eastern Province, Border and South Western Districts players, although the team management have spread their net much wider in a bid to come up with a competitive unit.
The Kings understand they have been given only one chance and will be banking on strong crowd support as well as a cohesive team ethic to give themselves any hope of success.
“Playing Super Rugby is not a victory for the Southern Kings. It is a victory for the whole of the Eastern Cape,” Watson said.
“It has been a hard-fought battle by rugby administrators who have had to walk a long road to bring Super Rugby to the region.
“It has taken years and years and a lot of effort, and it is very important that people in this region celebrate the occasion of being involved in top-class rugby.”
The Kings face the Western Force in their first ever Super Rugby match in Port Elizabeth on Saturday.
20 Feb 2013, 16:43 pm
@grant10-583: #8 will be Marcel’s best position, I think, but meantime he’s got competition from stiff competition Kanko & Daniel
I think the Sharks best trio would be:
6. Daniel
7. Alberts
8. Kanko or Coetzee
& if they can find a proper fetcher, then Daniel to drop out of the trio
PS: Despite personal preferences, I resign myself to the fact that Plum was good loose forward, & as such he is well qualified in deciding which loose trio mix is best.
ciao
20 Feb 2013, 16:52 pm
@Angostura-591: Yes….Coetsee at 8 could work, have not seen him there yet …..Kanko cooked last month of superrugby….seems with that light Sharks pack they going to stick to the offload game…good on them
20 Feb 2013, 16:55 pm
@Atlas-590: yep, we are in baby, the other franchise are cooling their jets playing “Tests” against Namibia
20 Feb 2013, 16:59 pm
@Transformation-593:
Don’t be like that about Namibia.
That’s Granties team.
20 Feb 2013, 17:00 pm
@Sheriff-558:
http://www.justcurious.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Pearl-Thusi.jpg
20 Feb 2013, 17:06 pm
@Sheriff-558: preferred 10… holla!
http://faraitoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/PEARL-CLOSE_jpg_618x999_q85.jpg
20 Feb 2013, 17:09 pm
@ryecatcher-587: it’s Grant-E
20 Feb 2013, 17:14 pm
@gunther-594: Oh dear. I’m watching Mr Booth say exactly what we have been saying re: contamination of the crime scene and the numerous other Botha fuckups…..
Oh deary dear.
I hope someone, anyone, checks this Bothafuckers bank accounts, and his previous relationship with the accused. The only explanation for such incompetence has to be $$$$$?????? Because honestly, I refuse to believe any ‘investigator’ can be this fuckingthick.
@Transformation-596: Stop perving
20 Feb 2013, 17:15 pm
@Transformation-596:
I see.
Well it seems you have albums and albums full of Pearl pics
20 Feb 2013, 17:16 pm
I asked last night but cannot recall getting a proper answer; where is Ryan, Jon C and others that used to write for keo?
Have they left?
20 Feb 2013, 17:17 pm
@Transformation-596:
Sharif has hair like that.
20 Feb 2013, 17:18 pm
@Transformation-596:
Are you gonna ask her hand in marriage?
20 Feb 2013, 17:19 pm
@gunther-601:
T knows what I look like
Dawn as well…
20 Feb 2013, 17:22 pm
@Sheriff-599: quick google dawg
20 Feb 2013, 17:27 pm
Sometimes I feel bad about the questions I ask people.
Just yesterday I asked Mark Keohane if he was a Cape Kullid – based on his own description that he was what can only be described as ‘of mixed descent’ and no answer.
Invariably I then have sleepless nights wondering: did I offend the bloke?
20 Feb 2013, 17:27 pm
@Sheriff-600: since the s.ex, drugs & groping co-workers debacle keo resigned as COO of HSM and now he has taken his website back & HSM lanched Sarugbmag.co.za where ryan, jc, simon, gareth are.
20 Feb 2013, 17:33 pm
@Transformation-606:
Never a dull moment.
20 Feb 2013, 18:13 pm
When KEO sells KEO for the fifth time he’s going to work at the circus as a canon ball.
20 Feb 2013, 18:20 pm
Sport is about entertainment and showing something to excite the fans. Only really concerned about the Boks later this year under Meyer and his team. Hopefully we dont see a fear-based, conservative approach and grim arm wrestles against all comers.
20 Feb 2013, 18:22 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-609:
You don’t watch Bokke rugby for entertainment.
20 Feb 2013, 18:24 pm
You’re South African you have to watch the Bokke, 99.98% of neutrals watch the men in black.
20 Feb 2013, 18:25 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-609: Indeed. Ideally win + entertainment, however if winning takes boring oppo to death, so be it. Professional sport, we like it or not.
20 Feb 2013, 18:25 pm
Anybody seen my old pal Mr Stegman,aka Agile Tik Tycoon lately??
20 Feb 2013, 18:27 pm
@NZINCHINA-611: What if they ain’t playing, turn telly off?
As for my 2 cents, despite being an ABs supporter, I readily watch Bokke play, too. The beauty of rugby is in diversity.
20 Feb 2013, 18:30 pm
@NZINCHINA-611: The Boks have been known to be entertaining. They’ve certainly got the talent to entertain. The fans dont demand much from the Boks aesthetically unlike NZ and particularly Australia but even the die hards are being tested by Meyer’s extremely dull approach.
20 Feb 2013, 18:30 pm
@polaris-614:
If you were a neutral (which you aren’t) you have a choice between Steyn hoofing misdirected Gary Owens or the great DC carving them up, most people choose black, I still respect Bokke rugby but it farking boring to watch.
20 Feb 2013, 18:31 pm
@NZINCHINA-616: The question was what if ABs ain’t playing.
20 Feb 2013, 18:33 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-615:
We like a ball in hand run the ball from anywhere ( read poach islander approach) you guys prefer Morne to kick from anywhere to everywhere.
20 Feb 2013, 18:33 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-615: Laugh at PDV or not, in his time Bokke did entertain a lot. Even in JW times, I recall them thrilling well in 04, 05.
20 Feb 2013, 18:34 pm
@polaris-617:
We still watch.
20 Feb 2013, 18:34 pm
the bokke play rugby? well fark me
I thought it was 8 grown men, dressed in green, trying to run over the top of the opposition while 7 stand around out the back swapping timotei and hair stylings?
20 Feb 2013, 18:34 pm
@NZINCHINA-618: “We like a ball in hand run the ball from anywhere”
In 3N 2009 2 SA Tests it was painful to watch, to be honest.
20 Feb 2013, 18:34 pm
@Rage-613:
Why, hello there.
You’re speaking to the Tyrant.
20 Feb 2013, 18:35 pm
@NZINCHINA-620: Yessir we do.
@the curse-621: ag, cmon man.
20 Feb 2013, 18:35 pm
@polaris-619:
PDV won nothing 08/10 or 11.
20 Feb 2013, 18:36 pm
@polaris-622:
It was can’t win all the time
20 Feb 2013, 18:38 pm
I see they’ve done away with displaying nicknames again, just like when they confiscated my hard-earned keo dollars.
20 Feb 2013, 18:39 pm
@NZINCHINA-626: no, it was lets have wingers who couldnt catch a garry owen to save themselves, even though we knew after this would be their approach..
20 Feb 2013, 18:39 pm
@Anairetes agilis-627:
KEO spent all your hard earned rand on cheap hookers and Charlie.
20 Feb 2013, 18:40 pm
@NZINCHINA-618: Well, it’s a coaching issue. I personally dont enjoy watching that. We’ve had a lot of very conservative and lets face it, sub-par coaches who continue to drill that prehistoric game-plan into our players. Sadly we’ve got it just as bad as ever at the moment with Meyer and his rookie coaching buddies. Francois Hougaard, Goosen, Serfontein, Jordaan, A.Coetzee- guys like that all have natural instincts to play with the ball and are gifted backs.
@polaris-619: Yeah they did alright at times. Just a bit of accuracy and solid enough game-plan and they did more than enough to score a few tries. They were really exciting under Mallet though.
20 Feb 2013, 18:41 pm
@the curse-628:
One of only a few mistakes the messiah made, no second row didn’t help either, free line out ball for the Bokkie.
20 Feb 2013, 18:43 pm
Is this article about the debilitating social disease known as fairweather supportering. I couldn’t get more than halfway through it…
20 Feb 2013, 18:43 pm
@NZINCHINA-629:
Winning.
20 Feb 2013, 18:44 pm
@ 623 Agile
…and as if by magic he appears,hoezit Steggies? Jy reg vi di seisoen?
20 Feb 2013, 18:45 pm
@NZINCHINA-631: shhhh, highlighting the fact that playing Isaac Ross, a rookie, no Carter for two matches and Ritchie mcCaw just returning from injury would crush Cab..
remember, they never have their strongest team when we beat them, but the reverse is always in effect when they beat us..
strange logic but it seems to comfort him..
20 Feb 2013, 18:45 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-630:
Herr Meyer should spend less time destroying Motorola walkie talkies and more time man managing, after you drew with the Argies and he sold his players out to the media I knew it was going to be a good 4 years for us.
20 Feb 2013, 18:47 pm
@Anairetes agilis-633:
Some would say that including myself pre marriage of course and excluding the hookers
@the curse-635:
Isaac who?
20 Feb 2013, 18:48 pm
@Rage-634:
Rrrreg soos n Steg, my maat.
Hey, I bumbed into old Johannes Cardinelli recently, I told him I read the blog and I’m a Bulls supporter… looked like he was expecting a PK outta leftfield right about then hahaha.
Hello JC
20 Feb 2013, 18:49 pm
@NZINCHINA-637:
Why don’t we just start our Rugby Blog, with blackjack, and hookers.
20 Feb 2013, 18:49 pm
In fact, forget the Rugby Blog!
20 Feb 2013, 18:50 pm
@Anairetes agilis-638: you bumbed Cardinelli?
but of a big admission there bru
20 Feb 2013, 18:50 pm
@Anairetes agilis-639:
Gambling and prostitution is illegal in China
20 Feb 2013, 18:50 pm
@NZINCHINA-637: pre-farking-cisely
20 Feb 2013, 18:51 pm
@the curse-641:
Lol
20 Feb 2013, 18:53 pm
@the curse-641:
Well, have you met him in real life? He in fact doesn’t resemble my best friend’s mother like I thought he did. He’s a little less manly, but probably endearing to his own mother….let’s not judge.
20 Feb 2013, 18:54 pm
@NZINCHINA-642:
Yeah, I guess that means those poor squinty-eyed ******** never heard of it then, huh, china?
Where’s your sense of adventure and patriotism?
20 Feb 2013, 18:58 pm
@Anairetes agilis-645: Glad to see you again fella.
20 Feb 2013, 18:58 pm
@Anairetes agilis-646:
There’s no need to make a racist call about Chinese people, my daughters are half Chinese. You’d be interested to hear what Chinese people have to say about white people but you’re probably shocked they have actually have an opinion.
20 Feb 2013, 18:59 pm
@Anairetes agilis-645:
20 Feb 2013, 19:00 pm
@stormersboy-647:
Hey hey, how are things going?
Nahh, I’m just here to answer Keo’s desparate wh@ring for my F5 key. I’d tap that, but JC’s face isn’t in the header, if you know what I mean.
20 Feb 2013, 19:03 pm
@ Agile
JC ,Vrede and Duncan do not write for keo anymore.They’re busy with their own blog, Sarugbyfags.co.za
This site is wildly popular amongst our Sharkie friends,I wonder why…
20 Feb 2013, 19:05 pm
@NZINCHINA-648:
Yes opinions….speaking of which, what do they call Skoppie these days? How many namechanges has the banhammer driven that poor sod to?
Meh, I guess I’ll know as soon as he open his rooster cleaner.
20 Feb 2013, 19:08 pm
@Rage-651:
They don’t? Oh, gee. So his expression was effeminate disgust, not trepidation? I see, I see.
Well, let us bow in a moment of silence, some of our departed members even to the knee.
20 Feb 2013, 19:09 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-630: Oh, yes.
@NZINCHINA-637: Now he is indeed a who, then he scored a try in Durbs, I thought it was start of a payback for Bloem, alas, turned out even more diabolical performance by the Blacks, Sivi especially had a shocker there.
20 Feb 2013, 19:09 pm
@Anairetes agilis-652:
Was that your opinion about Chinese people, squinty eyed *******?
20 Feb 2013, 19:09 pm
@Rage-651:
Has the quality of this Blog gone up or has it rather improved sinced JC left?
20 Feb 2013, 19:10 pm
@NZINCHINA-655:
No, that was just a factual observation.
20 Feb 2013, 19:10 pm
@polaris-654:
Soft under belly best suited for Japan and the sumo leagues?
20 Feb 2013, 19:11 pm
@NZINCHINA-626: Honestly, then I would become bored as h*ll. An odd slump helps keep in shape.
20 Feb 2013, 19:11 pm
@Anairetes agilis-657:
Really that’s sad buddy but it doesn’t surprise me
20 Feb 2013, 19:12 pm
@NZINCHINA-658: Green pastures without too much stress there. No such luxury in Europe.
20 Feb 2013, 19:12 pm
Why don’t you tell me what race you are and I’ll give you a quick summary.
20 Feb 2013, 19:15 pm
@NZINCHINA-662:
South African?
20 Feb 2013, 19:16 pm
@the curse-663: my bad, thats not a race, its a nationality
mind you, Ive been called racist for describing some of them as neanderthals..
lmfao… tumeke bro
20 Feb 2013, 19:18 pm
@NZINCHINA-662:
I’m the funky version of Dutch, my mother was a hamster and my father smelled of elderberries.
Guys, why doesn’t Keo have a debate-friendly PM system yet?
Come on Keo! I sense that NZINCHINA wants to send me a friendrequest….
20 Feb 2013, 19:18 pm
666
20 Feb 2013, 19:22 pm
@Anairetes agilis-665:
I’m disappointed you choose to call my daughters squinty eyed ******* but I understand where it comes from, you’ll work it out one day even if your father and grandfather didn’t.
20 Feb 2013, 19:23 pm
@Anairetes agilis-650: Things are good thanks, and thanks for the image lol.
20 Feb 2013, 19:26 pm
Tell us how you really feel.
20 Feb 2013, 19:27 pm
@NZINCHINA-667:
I never called your daughters squinty-eyed ********, I would’ve called them squinty-eyed *******.
LOL Just kidding, welcome to a South African rugby blog, where everyone’s invited for a warm cup of IDGAF.
Relax buddy, I’m on your side. Are you going to start talking is short choppy sentences now? I love the Chinese, where would the *** trafficking industry be without them? Not to mention our cheap labor and appliances.
20 Feb 2013, 19:28 pm
@ 656 Agile
Check the recent articles bru,keo’s been quite hands-on lately…creating a sh¡t storm of controversy along the way.
20 Feb 2013, 19:29 pm
@Rage-671:
Ahhhh, I see.
Aw, with JC gone, who is Tacitus going to be mocking now?
We’ve lost a bit of Keo heritage.
20 Feb 2013, 19:34 pm
@Anairetes agilis-672: And Ryan, I used to enjoy mocking him, and it’s too much trouble to register on the new site just for that purpose.
20 Feb 2013, 19:37 pm
@Anairetes agilis-670:
Is that what your Daddy said at the truth and reconciliation hearings?
20 Feb 2013, 19:40 pm
@ 672 ATT
AFAIK there’s only two writers left here,keo himself and one Richard Ferguson,with keo having to endure daily uitk@k sessions from almal.
20 Feb 2013, 19:41 pm
@NZINCHINA-674:
Are you still complaining, everytime I see you here, you’re complaining
Here’s come Chinese wisdom:
Confucius say: Prisoners complain behind bars, husbands complain in them.
So, are you a prisoner here, or is it happy hour again?
20 Feb 2013, 19:46 pm
@stormersboy-673:
Ag shame, fallout?
@Rage-675:
What happened to Kep TV? They didn’t give the female personalitits enough airtime, that’s what.
20 Feb 2013, 19:46 pm
@Anairetes agilis-676:
There should have been no forgiveness.
20 Feb 2013, 19:52 pm
@Anairetes agilis-677: Anyone’s guess. He hooked up with Tank Lanning for a while who is a great writer but that fell apart, no clue why, or why the HSM divorce.
20 Feb 2013, 19:54 pm
@NZINCHINA-678:
Then you wouldn’t have been here to contemplate it.
cheers
Anyways, when the Bulls stampede your precious Stormers, I’ll be here to rub it in SB and Rage, have fun until then.
20 Feb 2013, 19:57 pm
@Anairetes agilis-680: Will you also be here if it doesn’t happen we do the stampeding?
20 Feb 2013, 19:59 pm
@stormersboy-679:
For better or for worse, I’ve made the necessary changes to my fantasy team. Last week, I fell on my face.
20 Feb 2013, 20:02 pm
@I am a stormer-682: I did ok last week, courtesy of Mogg and O Connor. I will have to think carefully about this weekend’s matches.
20 Feb 2013, 20:02 pm
@ 680 ATT
Cheers,neef
681 SB
Doubt it!
20 Feb 2013, 20:08 pm
@stormersboy-683:
Tell me, now that you’re in the know – what is happening to the centre JP du Plessis – is he playing Vodacom Cup, has he fallen from grace? He had a good CC then got injured if I recall.
20 Feb 2013, 20:33 pm
@I am a stormer-685: I think he’s still injured but Stormersboy should know more
20 Feb 2013, 20:39 pm
@CharlesM-686:
Thanks mate. I rate that guy – hope he sticks around at Province. He’s a good attacking centre rather than one of those crash ball types.
20 Feb 2013, 20:43 pm
@I am a stormer-685: @CharlesM-686: Correct still injured, he hurt his back in pre season. He won’t be back before April at the earliest. Possibly later depending on how it goes.
He’s a promising player, AC rates him and he was part of the pre season squad.
On another note Gary Van Aswegen was training with the “B” squad on Monday, he looked very energetic and keen.
20 Feb 2013, 20:44 pm
Here is something very tough(like jerky/biltong) for the confused, who thrive in sowing and spreading their confusion far and wide. Aptly it is about supper time for the lazy.
” The case has stunned sports fans worldwide.
But it has been felt most acutely in South Africa, where Pistorius was seen as a hero who transcended racial divides that persist nearly 20 years after the end of apartheid. ” UNQUOTE
I especially emphasise these words ” … a hero who transcends racial divide that persists almost 20 years after …… ”
This explains why factions of people in and around the ANC are involved both ways, but so stupidly. It may also explain why it is seemingly possible for the muderer to get bail – deliberate collusion both sides of the divide(money talks loud for a simple error or two).
It also tells you fools that your pretense of a non-racial state/society is nothing but a figment of your cheating, hypocritical minds.It can be witnessed in every sector of every corner of the country.
20 Feb 2013, 20:46 pm
@I am a stormer-687: Yep I agree! I don’t think he’ll leave soon – he’s just started to showcase his talent and I think AC & co rate him.
Let’s hope he sticks around for a long time (and is well looked after) !!
20 Feb 2013, 20:51 pm
Further that quote goes on with these words :
” He carried South Africa’s flag at the closing ceremony of the London Olympics, and American magazine Sports Illustrated named him as one of the most inspiring figures of the year. ”
It is not so difficult to attempt to live a lie for up to R17million plus/ year , but with all that pressure even from that income the lie will be exposed by some ungodly, but stupid action.
20 Feb 2013, 20:52 pm
@stormersboy-688:
Thanks for that. Hope van aswegen gets eased back – 20 – 30 min here and there. The guy nedds to re-build his confidence in a match situation before you’re totally over the injury.
And the heat wave continues – the match at Loftus will be played in temps of around 28 I reckon. Still hot here in jozi at almost 9pm and Pta is always a few degrees warmer.
20 Feb 2013, 20:52 pm
@stormersboy-688: Thanks man! Pity about the back.
It’s about time Gary has a full season! I don’t know if he is merely unlucky or simply injury prone….If he get’s injured again (soon), his confidence will be close to zero.
Let’s hope he is not on the same road as Conrad Hoffman (from pro to somebody looking for a real job)
20 Feb 2013, 20:56 pm
@I am a stormer-692: Better weather means at least the handling will be more consistent I guess.
@CharlesM-693: Gary is really talented but he’s quite a small chap, smaller than I expected. I don’t know how well he will take the big hits over time, he seems to have really struggled of late. I remember watching him and Schreuder at u21 level and thinking that this is the future. Both of them have struggled to make that next step up. Gary more so though.
Hopefully this is a better year for him.
20 Feb 2013, 21:00 pm
@stormersboy-694: I guess we can only hope!
20 Feb 2013, 21:07 pm
cheetahs backline looks outstanding, but their forwards arent great
wp should win it.
20 Feb 2013, 21:24 pm
@cab-696: wp??
20 Feb 2013, 21:33 pm
@CharlesM-697:
stormers to win the comp this year, 3rd time lucky.
20 Feb 2013, 21:46 pm
@cab-698: Okay – I was confused about the Cheetahs / WP “connection” in the same sentence
20 Feb 2013, 21:57 pm
never rated van aswegen at all…maybe if he played more than 3 consecutive games i’d change my mind…before he broke down last year he was nowhere…
20 Feb 2013, 22:03 pm
@Transformation-700:
He dominated in a wp under 20 cup winning under 20 team 2 years ago- huge boot, great passing game, very courageous tackler (one of the reasons he is so often injured) as well as a very reliable goalkicker.
Imo he is just as talented as Jantjes and that bloke from the sharks.
20 Feb 2013, 22:37 pm
@Robzim-701: “2 years ago” lionel cronje was sa rugby player of the year. as i said, i personally haven’t seen his game.
20 Feb 2013, 22:38 pm
@Transformation-702: ^u20 player of the year
20 Feb 2013, 22:46 pm
Lionel may yet make it by the look of his season so far with the Lions. Sometimes it’s a matter of getting the right fit, good luck to him.
Gary must be feeling the pressure but the fact that he is constantly included, last year ahead of players like Demitri says something about his talent and potential.
20 Feb 2013, 23:03 pm
you know me SB i listen when being told about a young buck that’s bubbling under
this is running commentary from me & robbo when we met @ firemans sometime back. we just like to spark now & then.
20 Feb 2013, 23:39 pm
@Transformation-705: Ah ok got it. Carry on then
21 Feb 2013, 00:00 am
Homoerectus the flesh eating killing apeman gone apeshit emptying his chamber of death on an innocent victim he supposedly loved. Trying to prove his brave manhood as the victim of crooked circumstances and criminal activities. You ever seen more feeble specimen of humankind the big Rambo heroes going to jellyfish when they ain’t blowing their loaded arrogance from behind a barrel of a gun ?
Ban the sordid diseases of humanity guns and alcohol. While you about it start learning that killing begets killing. When its so easygoing easy to taking life for granted willy nilly some killing apeshit blood sucking murderous killers don’t know where life begins or ends.
21 Feb 2013, 00:28 am
You wanna play hooky with a loaded gun of pent up emotional charged sympathies of psyched up inadequacy any princess thinking they gonna turn legless Rambo into a prince of principles simply with a kiss of compassion had to be either living in Alice in wonderland fairytale country or else her heart was bigger than the fantasy she led him to believe.
21 Feb 2013, 00:41 am
I reckon the Bulls are going to beat the Stormershits, quite easily, this weekend.
21 Feb 2013, 00:45 am
Back your reckoning with some hard core beliefs. How much you wager a bulls win is worth?
21 Feb 2013, 00:49 am
Stormershits are in for a big surprise.
21 Feb 2013, 00:50 am
Picnic time for teddy bears,
The little teddy bears are having a lovely time today.
Watch them, catch them unawares,
And see them picnic on their holiday.
See them gaily gad about.
They love to play and shout,
They never have any cares.
At six o’clock their mummies and daddies
Will take them home to bed
Because they’re tired little teddy bears.
21 Feb 2013, 01:02 am
You praying hard Sharkishit you better pray even harder that your soft soap bunch of namby pamby mommies boys don’t get fckd doer over the banana plantation by the mielie boere on Saturday. That should be first concerns on your prayer list as you kneel down to pray for heavens mercies to safeguard you pisswilly mercenaries when the egte boere come to town.
21 Feb 2013, 01:05 am
This Saturday I will be a Bullshit! Always lekker to see the Stormershits go down.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of fans
21 Feb 2013, 01:07 am
Did someone mention “mercenaries”?
You mean like how the of the 22 man Stormershits squad for this weekend 10 are mercenaries?
Walked into that one, didn’t you?
21 Feb 2013, 01:14 am
Sharkishits got how many fuckwit arsecreep mercenaries in their team ?
From 23 they got Burden Coetsee and Lambypamby. 3 pisswilly little Sharkishits out of 23 selected for battle that’s all they could muster from the entire battalion of the feeble soccer playing last bastion of pompous snot noses.
21 Feb 2013, 01:21 am
Sharkshits don’t discriminate
We aren’t xenophobic
We don’t ive in the past, get in the modern world.
21 Feb 2013, 01:24 am
@skopdiekan-716: hehehe you are always liberal with the truth ne?
Bresler went to DHS (Durban High School).
The list is growing.
Seriously I have exposed you as a fibber countless times
21 Feb 2013, 01:27 am
Not a case of discrimination it’s simply a case of you don’t produce rugby players in softy soapy soutie bananarama country. If you were playing FS cheetahs in soccer on Saturday you could’ve fielded a proper Sharkishits team of fckwit soccer players because that what feeble little softy soapy souties play in bananarama country. Then you wouldn’t have to rip off and thieve other provinces rugby talents and call them your own. Thieving rip off artist mercenary merchants.
21 Feb 2013, 01:28 am
Kyle Cooper went to Glenwood
The fibber’s list continues to grow….
21 Feb 2013, 01:32 am
Bressler went to primary school in Namibia and Cooper was born and went to junior school in Jozi.
So what you wanna claim 5 little Sharkishits from 23 in your team that makes 18 mercenaries how proud of these gold digger blood money foreign legionaires you must be.
21 Feb 2013, 01:32 am
Hehehehe Chadwick and Monde Hadebe both in the S15 squad, both went to Westville.
hehehehehe
the fibber’s list is growing
21 Feb 2013, 01:33 am
How does the fibber explain 10 merc in the Stormershits?
Hypocrite much?
21 Feb 2013, 01:36 am
Butch James another…..
21 Feb 2013, 01:37 am
Neither Chadwick nor Hadebe are playing this weekend the maximum Sharkishits you can claim in your blood money legionaires team are 5/23 That’s all the rugged rugger players you can show in your squad of mercenaries. The rest are playing soccer for Amazulu or Banana Banana.
21 Feb 2013, 01:42 am
no answer from the fibber about the 10 mercs in his own team (when he initially tried to claim there were only 5 or 6…..)
Hypocrite much?
21 Feb 2013, 01:44 am
Anyway, in the real world, people don’t care where you were born or went to school. Only old fashioned senile old timers give a damn. Get in the real world you old goat
We don’t care, we just win.
21 Feb 2013, 01:44 am
7 out of 10
We win.
21 Feb 2013, 01:48 am
Just checked Stormers squad this weekend
8/15 WP bred and schooled players in run on team
And 4/8 on bench
That’s more than 50%
Sharkishits =
3/15 run on
1/ 8 off bench
If you wanna claim Bressler thought he born and raised in Namibia gives you a total 5/23
Stormers = 12/23
Big difference.
21 Feb 2013, 01:55 am
7 man bench thought they going with Irb 8 man bench system
So Stormers = 12/22 local bred players perhaps next to cheetahs the highest local component representation in the competition. Sharkishits probably the lowest local bred representation in the entire comp.
21 Feb 2013, 01:56 am
Since when does a team have 23?
Is it not 22 you big old fibber?…
So let’s see 5/22 is too little and 12/22 is enough?…..
You’re a man who can twist the facts to suit any story, aren’t you? Hehehehe
WHAT A SILLY ARGUMENT!
And what’s worse, you cry about it EVERY DAY!
21 Feb 2013, 01:57 am
Trust me if the Sharkshits had 0/22 nobody in Natal would give a flying toss
21 Feb 2013, 01:58 am
21 Feb 2013, 02:00 am
We embrace diversity.
Bring back Thierry Lacroix!
21 Feb 2013, 02:00 am
Bring back Frederico Mendez!
21 Feb 2013, 02:00 am
Bring back Olivier Roumat!
21 Feb 2013, 02:01 am
Bring back Tony Brown!
21 Feb 2013, 02:02 am
Bring back David Knox!
21 Feb 2013, 02:02 am
Bring back Freddie Michalak!
21 Feb 2013, 02:02 am
Bring back Andy Goode!
21 Feb 2013, 02:04 am
OK maybe don’t bring back Andy “Shrek” Goode.
21 Feb 2013, 02:05 am
Shove your racist xenophobic local only players policy.
21 Feb 2013, 02:06 am
Bring back Gregor Townsend!
21 Feb 2013, 02:08 am
Bring back Juan Martin Hernandez!
21 Feb 2013, 02:11 am
Keep your Elroy de Bruins and Frikkie van der Merwes from the Boland.
21 Feb 2013, 02:22 am
Supporting Sharkishits is same as supporting Manchester Uninspired or Barcelona. A bunch of f’ng soccer playing money grubbing mercenaries. Not a real dinkum rugby playing contributor among them unless you call Lambikins or Chadwick or Craig Burden a proper rugby player.
Least WP produce around 40% of the rugby talent in the
country. FS and EP another 40% and MP GP KZN NP NC the rest.
21 Feb 2013, 06:42 am
@ShaunB-745:
U off today? Or don’t u have a job?
21 Feb 2013, 07:32 am
Never a dull moment in SA…
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/oscar-cop-facing-attempted-murder-charges-1.1474181#.USWwSh2LCJc
21 Feb 2013, 08:48 am
@BrumbiesBoy-748: However doff and incompetent this keystone cop appears…..do you not find it funny, that this charge against him was provisionally withdrawn in 2009 (after is was apparent they shot at a taxi who pushed them out of the way, whilst chasing a suspect in the Watford murder at the time – and that his blood was not tested for alcohol at all way back then?)
Suddenly, on the day he is to be called at the Pistorius bail hearing, it is reinstated (after being withdrawn in 2009?), and he is informed his own trial will start in May…..?
Friends in high places this defence team of OP’s?
I don’t doubt his Botha cop has a history somewhere and has proven himself to be less then efficient as a lead detective. But honestly? Something isn’t ‘off’ here?
21 Feb 2013, 08:50 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-749:
Fikile for one.
21 Feb 2013, 08:50 am
@@whistle@blower@-747: He has a a job. You can see the 5 min breaks in between his 1am and 2am posts. (That’s when he ‘works’ – handjobsforshekelsandmalemassage.com : Let me: ShaunB be your ‘helping’ hand)
21 Feb 2013, 09:01 am
As the saying goes: there is none so blind as those who do not want to see.
Every day we are confronted with situations where we get that uneasy feeling but rationalise that it is really ‘nothing’.
So you start dating a famous sports star and see that he is into guns. See the problem with a gun is that is you direct it at someone and pull the trigger you can harm or kill someone. So it’s dangerous.
You then need to ask yourself: why is this peace making loving person (who also states that he is a christian) into guns? Is the person plagued by fear? It would seem that way. The guns then represent in his mind his safety, the means to repel or fight off the threat – perhaps threats that are physical and emotional in its nature.
People’s hearts are melting with fear out there and its make them mad, angry.
Just ask dentists how many people suffer from bruxism.
21 Feb 2013, 09:08 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-749: the Untouchables
21 Feb 2013, 09:08 am
This zionist from the racist israeli apartheid state wants to talk about ‘mercernaries’ and ‘imports’ and ‘home’ grown players while on a tik high. How ironic :grinh
21 Feb 2013, 09:11 am
@Sheriff-752: @Sheriff-752: not to cast aspersions but did you see the pic in the sunday times of her shooting a gun in what clearly is a “sport” situation?
21 Feb 2013, 09:12 am
I have to tell you folk, that I am also getting more than fed up with the ‘Oscar groupies’ (the women who are wailing all over the interweb about how tragic this is for him….his family….blah blah blah.) I’m a woman but FFS this lot are embarassing.
As a human I feel for what Pistorius and his family they are going through.
As a decent human (I like to think I’m one…) I’m far more concerned about justice for Ms Steenkamp, and answers for her grieving family – either way.
I was not amused with the Pistorius family’s scoffing and laughing in court yesterday. (I initially thought – allow them this, it’s relief that the defence have managed to poke a few holes, and Oscar might with rescheduling get bail etc etc…)
Then I saw his OOM on tv…..saying “Oscar will be back bigger than ever, or better than ever etc etc” and I thought fuckem….
An innocent and unarmed woman was shot and killed – the end. And I see very little in the way of ‘justice for Reeva groupies’ wailing on the interweb.
21 Feb 2013, 09:16 am
@Transformation-753: OP is an ‘untouchable’. Julius WAS an ‘untouchable’ and he touched another ‘untouchable’ on his studio….Selebi was an ‘untouchable’ until a new ‘untouchable’ wanted him touched.
Other untouchables include:
Kebble and Bakkies
21 Feb 2013, 09:24 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-749: Hmmmmmmm.
Yes now I understand more from where former soccer player Marc Bachelor (sp?) is coming from.
He says that he had some sort of confrontation with Pistorius and the next thing he was summonsed to some high-ranking plod’s office “to sort the whole thing out”.
Interesting.
21 Feb 2013, 09:29 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-756:
The PR expert that they have imported from GB to protect the “investment” must have cringed at every word spoken by that “Oom”.
21 Feb 2013, 09:30 am
@BrumbiesBoy-758: Not just some high ranking ‘plod’: The Hawks…….
21 Feb 2013, 09:36 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-757: kia ora pedi..
speaking of bakkies, where is the paranoid fecker?
has the whole Oscar show coupled with revelations of his heroes citing gotten too much for the man? is he waiting for these two incidences to blow over to avoid suffering the repercussions of his own delusion?
strange hes not here to post article after article on either of these two subjects, one can only summise if these two incidences involved kiwis in some way this site would be inundated with news stories from all over the place.
love the fact the universe has been dealing him a hard dose of shut the fark up..
bakkies – jou dom ****
21 Feb 2013, 09:36 am
@Robzim-759: Higgins probably wrote it
Ex editors of ‘The Sun’ are not known for their ‘compassion and feeling’.
But that ‘Oom’ needs a twatsmack…as does the scoffing and laughing brother and sister….. (Must be honest, the brother gives me the creeps for some (as yet unknown) reason….. Something dark resides behind those frames.
What say you about our chance tomm night? I’m saying Bulls at home: they must be firm favourites. And whether our team looks good on paper or not – lots of new combos and players there?
21 Feb 2013, 09:36 am
Kenny Kunene?
21 Feb 2013, 09:37 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-760: Wow, even more connected.
On a “lighter side”, somebody emailed me a picture of “Oscar’s new legs”…a set of prosthetics (complete with blades) connected to a massive ball and chain…
21 Feb 2013, 09:39 am
@the curse-761: Morning Pops.
Bakkies is probably locked down in his Bulls bunker. Watching replays of games in the 90′s and making notes on Kiwi cheating……
I think his world has been rocked somewhat.
But I just want to remind Bakkies, that just because our ‘heroes’ turn out to be human, does not mean they haven’t achieved greatness at times.
21 Feb 2013, 09:40 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-762:
Favourites?
Not according to the bookies.
21 Feb 2013, 09:42 am
What?
No Queens or Watson stories?
I’ll come back later….
21 Feb 2013, 09:42 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-765:
I fear for his safety, the bubble has burst exponentially and all these revelations have wreaked havoc it would seem..
it will only get worse for him when the Bulls lose over the weekend, I feel we may not see him for quite a while if that occurs
makes me want to sing from the hilltops
21 Feb 2013, 09:44 am
@Transformation-755:
No I did not, are you able to find it in your archives and preps post the link here
21 Feb 2013, 09:44 am
Bakkies Poepsie
Tomatoe Tomato.
21 Feb 2013, 09:46 am
@stormersboy-763: Yes, he has been oh so visible, parking his Porsche in the street outside court daily. OP is ‘connected’…..very connected.
@gunther-766: Regardless what the bookies say, I’m saying the Bulls are faves. We are talking Loftus here….(and yes, a few teams have knocked them over there in recent times
, but it’s still Loftus…..and it’s still a formidable Bulls team….)
@the curse-768: Bakkies won’t be watching any Superrugby, remember?
21 Feb 2013, 09:47 am
Tomorrows’ games
Landers
Brumbies
Bulls
21 Feb 2013, 09:48 am
@gunther-770: dont be like that “buddy”, comparisons are easy to make
Gunther Julius
potato pahtato
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-771: I did forget that, this could be the best season of rugby ever
21 Feb 2013, 09:50 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-762:
That’s why I asked you yesterday what you think his brother knows.
There is a video clip entitled ‘ media hounds Pistorius’ brother’ ; I reckon the theory of ‘intruder’ could be his brainchild.
I reckon only him and the dad really knows what happened there that morning, from the family side. The uncle has been told a version and he (as we would all do believes it to be the gospel truth)
21 Feb 2013, 09:52 am
@the curse-773:
Face it
21 Feb 2013, 09:54 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-756:
What the Oom is saying something similar to Isaiah 9:10:
‘ The bricks have fallen, but we will rebuild with cut stone
The sycamore trees have been chopped down, but we will replace them with cedars’
This is theme of Rabbi Jonathan Cahn’s book ‘ The Harbringer’ ; read the book or watch clips on Youtube where he summarises it
21 Feb 2013, 09:54 am
@gunther-775: Im not as delusional as that one, and I can congratulate opposition sides if they win, as I did Englands victory over NZ, I dont go looking for shadows in the night continuously either..
but meh, its only your opinion and that means fckall in any case..
21 Feb 2013, 10:00 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-762:
It is a tough one to call, I think a lot depends on Jantjes at number 10, who has not played any rugby his season and who will be combining for the first time with Groom who is also a novice at this level.
Bulls by 3. Pleasletmebewrong.
21 Feb 2013, 10:02 am
@Sheriff-752: You need to up your medication, bro.
21 Feb 2013, 10:04 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-756: Indeed. Reeva Steenkamp was 10 times the man that Oscar Pistorius is.
21 Feb 2013, 10:07 am
@the curse-777: Eng’s “victory” was shadowy though. Not because they didn’t deserve it but because the ABs were below par.
Just like 1995.
21 Feb 2013, 10:08 am
@Muttonbird-781: 95 was a Madiba led conspiracy indeed… theres a scene in Invictus where he states categorically that they must win it at any cost..
open and shut case
21 Feb 2013, 10:12 am
@Muttonbird-779:
Mate where are you from?
21 Feb 2013, 10:16 am
@Robzim-778:
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-762:
And then the lineouts…….. Every time Fourie aims to throw I shudder- specially if he takes so long and start to get that puzzled look in the eyes.
Beside being technically the worst line out thrower to ever play supperugby, he also suffers from stage fright (missing the most vital ones) and seems scared shitless that bekker might become upset and either kak hm out or moer him in front of everybody.
Besides that, he is a great player.
21 Feb 2013, 10:18 am
@Sheriff-783: keewee land
21 Feb 2013, 10:19 am
@Robzim-778: @The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-762: Dont be worried, be afraid. The season for you is going to be k*k if you lose.
21 Feb 2013, 10:20 am
@Sheriff-776: I appreciate the sentiment. But the timing and manner in which said sentiment was executed and expressed by the ‘Oom’ was in poor taste…..all things considered. I wanted to dish out a stilleto smack. If I felt like that, what did her family feel?
As it’s allllllllllllllllll about Oscar…sleeping on a floor, not eating, reading his bible…..being strong in the face of adversity etc.
He’s alive isn’t he?
(And receiving some rather special treatment it would seem….family sitting reading his bible with him in his cell etc)
@Robzim-778: We’re on the same page…..a horrible page. However, if the new combos manage to gel in any manner….
@Muttonbird-780: She and her family certainly deserve more sympathy than he and his.
@the curse-782: Ohdear. Why poke a sleeping Yorkie?
21 Feb 2013, 10:20 am
@Robzim-784: and he’s throwing, basically, to Matfield again
21 Feb 2013, 10:21 am
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21 Feb 2013, 10:22 am
EEEEEEEEEEEEEE
21 Feb 2013, 10:23 am
@Transformation-785:
Thought so.
21 Feb 2013, 10:24 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-787: all in the name of social science
21 Feb 2013, 10:27 am
@Robzim-784: Yes Rob and with Steenkamp there who is not a good option at 4, I share your concern. Bekker has had the tendency in the past to go deep in the lineout with the first ball. If he does the same tomorrow night, Fourie will probably (definitely?) miss his target again !!
21 Feb 2013, 10:27 am
@shooter-786: Not on a personal level….on a bloggin level possibly
A person who writes the Boooooooooools off at Loftus, is either HG or Skop (neither of which have a decent track record in terms of predictions)
@Robzim-784: Feel the same about Deon F. Reminds of how I used to feel when John Smit would go for the full defensive lineout and throw to the back when we (Boks) were 5 metres from our line…….. I couldn’t watch. With Deon…I can’t watch a single throw in. (At Newlands, I sit looking down, with my fingers in my ears, because one hears the aahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh).
We’ve been told he has worked on his throwing in….. (but I recall hearing that last year? and the year before?). And what I saw in the warmups…..eish.
21 Feb 2013, 10:30 am
@BrumbiesBoy-748: hmmm …. what’s that smell? … bring the rattex, quick!
**
“It was only yesterday [Wednesday] that we were informed by the DPP that he is being charged,” he said.
{koff, koff}
21 Feb 2013, 10:31 am
I have no doubt he will wear the same suit again today.
The reading of the Bible is of course what will get my attention. The PR company is at work, that’s for sure.
Visual and audio signals are being sent out: Oscar the victim.
I was quite intrigued with Carl Pistorius’ ability to not say ONE word when the media was hounding him. You can tell he is bursting to say something, but he does not.
I mean, why not just say:’ Folks I have had a tough day with my brother in court. So no comment from me thanks.’
21 Feb 2013, 10:33 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-794: I have a view that certain hookers simply can’t throw in properly irrespective of how much they practise. When you add pressure to that they struggle even more !!
21 Feb 2013, 10:35 am
@Sheriff-796: The shadyfucker did not have a tough day in court yesterday…..
He sat ‘scoffing at remarks, and even laughed at times’.
He seems to forget that his boet is still guilty of murder, regardless of how many holes they punch in the Schedule 6 version of the charge.
21 Feb 2013, 10:37 am
@CharlesM-797: I don’t know why we insist on having the hooker throw in. We could use Duane to lob it to Bekker… (it takes away a jumper yes, but I reckon we will get more straight calls than not)…..
21 Feb 2013, 10:42 am
@BrumbiesBoy-758: Money talks, Bull $hit walks
21 Feb 2013, 10:50 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-799: Unfortunately it’s his job. I know at school level the teams use other players (from time to time) than the hooker but at professional level you need be able to do it.
21 Feb 2013, 10:58 am
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/cop-dropped-from-oscar-case-report-1.1474395#.USXg-R2LCJc
21 Feb 2013, 11:01 am
@CharlesM-801: But what if the one you have just can’t? Just can’t do it? Ever?
I say: make a plan, think out of the box, and stop wasting attacking platforms because the fella lobbing it in throws to the birds in the sky, floating left or right 9 times outta 10
Have a great day all. Off to the Southern Suburbs for lunch. (You see ET, I do leave the laager at times)
21 Feb 2013, 11:03 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-798:
Notice I said: ‘ he could have said…’
21 Feb 2013, 11:04 am
@CharlesM-797: Why should (certain) hookers be made to throw in the ball (if clearly they can’t)? Why could it not be the fetcher flank (or some other) doing so?
Honest question
21 Feb 2013, 11:06 am
@Angostura-805: Used to be the wing.Underarm nogal
21 Feb 2013, 11:06 am
@BrumbiesBoy-802: eish
On Thursday morning police confirmed Botha has seven charges of attempted murder against him.
is it typical of people named Botha to be thugs?
21 Feb 2013, 11:07 am
@ryecatcher-806: yeah, rye, in my playing days
21 Feb 2013, 11:12 am
Police detective now that would be a moerse interesting job – guess its not too glamorous with all the crime in SA. Policeman, criminal lawyers, doctors – some cynical professions where you get exposed to pretty much most of human extremes.
21 Feb 2013, 11:15 am
@Angostura-805: My point is, if you play a hooker who is the best fetcher in your team (which isn’t a primary job of a hooker) then why can’t the, say, “fetcher flank” throw in the ball (if he is better at it than the hybrid-hooker selected)?
(& on a facetious note) especially if your team’s tactical brains trust has a penchant for Brok or Schalk at fly-half & Bekker on the wing? What’s in a position, ne? One for all & all for one? Lekker flexibility & versatility – just waiting for Gio to pack down at tight head
21 Feb 2013, 11:16 am
Seems like this poor oke ain’t got much of a clue by media accounts, maybe he’s an inspector clouseau..
21 Feb 2013, 11:20 am
@the curse-807: this could be damage control or the work of the UK spin doctor…whatever it is SA has never seen sh.it like this!!!!
8.54am GMT
Jacaranda FM are now reporting that
Hilton Botha and the police have both
denied dropping Botha from the case.
But the police will be bringing in a
“provincial task force” to “bolster” the
prosecution’s case against Pistorius, the
radio station says.
8.47am GMT
South Africa’s Jacaranda FM is
reporting that Botha has not been
dropped from the case, citing police
brigadier Neville Malila:
21 Feb 2013, 11:20 am
Where’s Hore-atio when you need him?
21 Feb 2013, 11:25 am
My gut feel is that Pistorius will be granted bail.
His brother apparently looks ‘relaxed and upbeat’
21 Feb 2013, 11:26 am
@Transformation-812:
Strange that someone “reportedly” under suspicion of 7 attempted murders is even allowed to work on such a case?
21 Feb 2013, 11:30 am
@the curse-815: 9.26am GMT
Nair says he has allowed the woman to
speak, even though he did not have to.
— Alex Crawford
(@AlexCrawfordSky)
February 21, 2013
#oscarpistorius Magistrate says ‘we
are at an advanced stage. Not in
interest of justice.’
9.25am GMT
A woman wants to bring a
“constitutional application” to the
court. She is a non-practising female
attorney who says the constitution of
South Africa is affected by the case.
The application “addresses Pistorius’s
mental state:”. The judge, prosecution
and defence are all unhappy. Both Nel
and Roux (for Pistorius) protest.
— David Smith
(@SmithInAfrica)
February 21, 2013
A female South African attorney is
standing up, quoting the
constitution, describing a motion she
brought and baffling magistrate
Nair.
21 Feb 2013, 11:30 am
@the curse-807: Eish, I was secretly hoping & praying that you wouldn’t spot the connection!
You see it all started with PW Botha all those years ago and now, when BB sees your latest comment I hereby place on record that I cannot & will not be held responsible for my fellow countyman’s actions.
21 Feb 2013, 11:30 am
@the curse-815: the timing is rather suspicious…..
How was Bryce’s daddy allowed to vote him as ref of the year?
21 Feb 2013, 11:31 am
@Transformation-816: oh dear.Rossi gone bonkers?
21 Feb 2013, 11:33 am
@Sheriff-814:
My gut feel is that Oscar SHOULD get bail and that he is, at the very most, guilty of manslaughter.
That’s my gut feel.
21 Feb 2013, 11:33 am
@the curse-807:
@BrumbiesBoy-817:
He’ll just claim they were adopted
21 Feb 2013, 11:33 am
@the curse-815: he allegedly shot at a taxi with 7 passengers
charges were provisionally dropped in 2009 only to SURFACE yesterday!
charges dropped >>>> he can go back to work.
21 Feb 2013, 11:34 am
And the circus continues……
21 Feb 2013, 11:36 am
@Transformation-822:
Howzit Mr T.
Good luck on the Kings this weekend, i reckon they can take the Force.
21 Feb 2013, 11:37 am
Holy cow!
Google “Bakkies cited” and see what comes up…
Enough to overload a reasonable sized server I would imagine!!!
21 Feb 2013, 11:37 am
@the curse-815: It is one incident involving 7 victims; the case was withdrawn and the docket sent to the Director of Public Prosecutions for a decision; but the DAY BEFORE Botha was due to give evidence, DPP conveyed his decision that Botha (& others) would be charged & tried.
Draw your own conclusions…
PS: I agree, he should have been removed from detective work pending the DPP’s decision (& assigned less sensitive work, say, admin work), but it seems that this decision was outstanding for quite some time (until Wednesday, that is) – incredible timing.
21 Feb 2013, 11:38 am
this is a circus now!
— David Smith
(@SmithInAfrica)
February 21, 2013
The mystery woman is told about
procedure, collects her plastic bag
and walks across the court to the
exit. Nair frowns at it all.
9.27am GMT
She wants Pistorius’s mental health to
be evaluated and proceedings to take
place in camera. She is told to go and
to take her appeal to the high court.
— Barry Bateman
(@barrybateman)
February 21, 2013
#OscarPistorius Nair says there are
rules and we won’t be hearing any
app from anyone other than the
counsel involved. BB
21 Feb 2013, 11:39 am
@BrumbiesBoy-817: and what about Louis Botha, huh?
21 Feb 2013, 11:42 am
@nama1-820: Would you agree that firing 4 shots was overkill? (no pun intended)
21 Feb 2013, 11:47 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-799:
In the past it used to be the winger who threw the ball in.
21 Feb 2013, 11:49 am
@Mr Black-824: thanks…history in the making on saturday!
can’t wait!
21 Feb 2013, 11:51 am
@Transformation-827: Probably on her way to Weskoppies again.
21 Feb 2013, 11:52 am
@Dilligafrican-818: because we run the IRB bru, catch up
@Transformation-816: how is the constitution effected in this womans eyes? sounds like shes grandstanding for her own status to me..
@BrumbiesBoy-817: hehe I will defer any further incriminations towards you in the “world vs Botha’s” case
@nortierd-821:
@Transformation-822: dropped in 2009 and brought back in yesterday? dodgy indeed.. I assume the DPP doesnt want Bothas testimony at all, hence trying to discredit him? there was a big case in Queensland a few years ago, all to do with corrupt police..
@Angostura-826: definitely more than coincidence one would think.
@Transformation-827: I would have thought standard procedure in a case like this is to have the accused’s mental capacity ascertained as soon as possible.
this case may rival OJs one, but it shows no matter what country you are in that justice is a term rather than a reality imo
21 Feb 2013, 11:53 am
— Mandy Wiener
(@MandyWiener)
February 21, 2013
#OscarPistorius Gerrie Nel, true to
form, cracks a dry joke, saying ‘there
goes my case’.
9.32am GMT
— Daniel Howden
(@howden_africa)
February 21, 2013
Prosecutor jokes ‘there goes my case’
as #pistorius arresting officer
summoned
9.31am GMT
The court adjourns for 15 minutes to
bring Botha in.
9.30am GMT
Nair says he is concerned his plan for
the morning has been thwarted. Is
Botha here, he asks.
21 Feb 2013, 11:53 am
@Angostura-828: To be totally honest the only one I know is the famous road in Jhb.
Never bothered to find out anything about the one it is named after.
A bad oke I presume?
Ah, wait, the name General Louis Botha comes to mind. Is that who you’re talking about because I’ll have to Google.
21 Feb 2013, 11:57 am
@BrumbiesBoy-835: Oh, and Debben’s (old) airport also named after him?
21 Feb 2013, 11:59 am
Where is Bakkies? Haven’t seen him since loverboy got cited again.
21 Feb 2013, 12:01 pm
@Dilligafrican-829:
If your intended target was visible…yes.
If not, shooting four shots randomly in the general direction of the target… not that much. (That is if he indeed shot randomly through the door and not aimed in a specific direction.The bullet holes and the trajection of the bullets found in the toilet will indicate this.)
I know they’ll argue a small confined space and that she did not have any place to hide but… that’s my view.
21 Feb 2013, 12:02 pm
@Angostura-805: I get it but I’m just saying that it’s the job of the hooker. Now the fetcher flank (e.g) has to learn how to throw in the ball as well. When say Fourie gets injured, Bezuidenhout will proceed with the lineouts. You therefore have a situation that the flank has practiced throwing at lineouts but he is only required to do that job if the hooker, who isn’t able to do a proper job, leaves the field or isn’t picked.
IMO it is a bit unfair towards the “new thrower”
21 Feb 2013, 12:02 pm
@S_K-837: maybe, like HG, hes taken to holidaying in france?
21 Feb 2013, 12:02 pm
@S_K-837: i’m looking for him too…i got treats for him too
21 Feb 2013, 12:06 pm
@the curse-833:
Remember, this is only the bail hearing. It’s not the trial.
21 Feb 2013, 12:06 pm
a 4bar manson without panic buttons to security?
the owner gets up & pumps 4 in the direction where he thinks a burglar is, hhmm?
if reeva was sleeping as oskido “assumed” she would’ve been woken by 4 blasts of a gat…
21 Feb 2013, 12:07 pm
@the curse-840:
. I just wanted his take on the following statement by a blogger on another site.
no blou those excuses are copy right and sold exclusive rights of the bulls . we could go with altitude excuse. and we all know the nz refs will be wearing bull pink tops this year . . pity you could not bribe enough to get your names printed on them too
21 Feb 2013, 12:09 pm
Sounds like a gdam circus , then again u couldn’t make it up from the start – even the lawyers are completely clueless with all their comments to the media.
21 Feb 2013, 12:12 pm
@nama1-842: understand, but surely a bail hearing is more to get the defendants plea then the magistrate determines flight risk etc? Not clued up on criminal law and court proceedings (only through escaping detection
) so not sure what is involved in a bail hearing?
21 Feb 2013, 12:14 pm
@S_K-844: he wont believe that unless you provide the link
21 Feb 2013, 12:15 pm
The legal world has gone crazy.Yesterday a case in the UK was thrown out because the jury asked the judge what the term ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ implies. The judge was naturally not amused and said that that was the first time he was asked that question in his long career on the bench.
21 Feb 2013, 12:17 pm
@S_K-848: was just reading that too…
thought it was the phrase “will was overborne”
danger of the judge leading the jury I guess
21 Feb 2013, 12:18 pm
@nama1-838: he fired 4 times into a very small room knowing that he could kill whomever was inside.
If he believed it was an intruder well that pretty much places him in the same position as Bees Roux
21 Feb 2013, 12:18 pm
@S_K-848: looks like the lottery system drew a dozen Bakkies -like jurors.
21 Feb 2013, 12:20 pm
@Dilligafrican-850: is there any record of him “warning” the intruder first?
or did he just blindly fire shots?
never been in the situation, but I like to think I would have at least said something first rather then just firing blindly… this imo points to a serious problem for Oscar if he didnt say anything first
21 Feb 2013, 12:20 pm
@CharlesM-839: I think Deon is past learning to be a decent line out thrower. As you say, some can and some never get it, Deon unfortunately looks destined to be one of the latter.
Scarra also struggles, which has me concerned.
The first job is to get the basics right, regardless of all the other stuff,
I think Deon should be at 6. Finish and klaar.
21 Feb 2013, 12:22 pm
@nama1-820:
My gut feel is that Oscar Pistolero is guilty of premeditated murder.
After seeing the house plan?
- There is only one way into the bathroom ensuite,……….. from the bedroom.
- Oscar wakes up alone in the bed………………………………….sees that Ms Steenkamp is somewhere else.
- He then precedes to the bathroom, where he fires at least 3 shots through the toilet door.
Is he that thick, that he didn’t think to ask?
…………………………..” Is that you in the dunny darling” .
Where did he think she was?
In the tool shed.
21 Feb 2013, 12:23 pm
@the curse-852:
Exactly Popps.
21 Feb 2013, 12:24 pm
@cane-854: great minds bro, just asked the same question though yours was much more eloquent, which surprised me that anyone from the Hutt could be that eloquent
Im inclined to agree with you after also seeing the floor plan to the bedroom and ensuite..
21 Feb 2013, 12:28 pm
@cane-854:
what’s worse is that he claimed to have shouted at the “intruder” before he opened fire.
Surely she would have shouted something back?
IMO the phone records will reveal all.
21 Feb 2013, 12:29 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-835: nope, not bad oke, & a hero to some:
“Of Botha, Winston Churchill wrote in Great Contemporaries, “The three most famous generals I have known in my life won no great battles over a foreign foe. Yet their names, which all begin with a ‘B”, are household words. They are General Booth, General Botha and General Baden-Powell…” ”
But not liked by others:
” In 1911, together with another Boer war hero, Jan Smuts, he formed the South African Party, or SAP [forerunner of the United Party; that whole SAP vs. NAT thing our (predominantly white) forebears were involved in]. Widely viewed as too conciliatory with Britain, Botha faced revolts from within his own party and opposition from James Barry Munnik Hertzog’s National Party. When South Africa obtained dominion status in 1910, Botha became the first Prime Minister of the Union of South Africa.”
At the outbreak of the First World War he had to contend with & put down the “Boere Rebellie” (you recall Bok van Blerk’s song, ‘De la Rey, De la Rey’?):
“After the Maritz (Boer) rebellion was suppressed, the South African army continued their operations into German South West Africa and conquered it by July 1915.
Compared to the fate of the ringleaders of the Easter Rising in Ireland in 1916, the leading Boer rebels got off relatively lightly with terms of imprisonment of six and seven years and heavy fines. Two years later they were released from prison, as Louis Botha recognised the value of reconciliation.”
21 Feb 2013, 12:29 pm
@the curse-852: I haven’t seen any reports of him having given any “warnings” first.
I’ve read how he’s said that the bathroom “was in total darkness and I couldn’t/didn’t? see whether Reeva was in bed or not…”
However it seems he had no problem finding his gun under the bed in the same darkness and even when he bent down to reach for it, he still couldn’t see whether she was in bed or not?
Ja Pinnochio.
21 Feb 2013, 12:29 pm
Little Horse boy will not be happy with old Tank.
And seemingly just like that, it’s Pat Lambie v Johan Goosen, Duane Vermeulen v Pierre Spies, Elton Jantjies v Morne Steyn and Robert Ebersohn taking on Francois Steyn!
I can actually picture Gordon Bray, one of the greatest commentators the world has ever seen, shedding tears of sheer passion as he goes through his “Mate against mate, state against state” introduction to the weekend…
This is Super Rugby people – the greatest tournament on Earth… Well, if you took away the dreadful Aussie derbies and the fact that the top three in each Conference are guaranteed a prime spot in the appallingly named “Finals series”…
21 Feb 2013, 12:29 pm
@the curse-856:
Dunny……………………………………really eloquent.
21 Feb 2013, 12:32 pm
@the curse-856:
How dare you
What are you implying about the Hutts
21 Feb 2013, 12:34 pm
@S_K-860:
Did you see how quickly the Lions tour to Aussie sold out?
Silly boy.
21 Feb 2013, 12:34 pm
@cane-861: your use of the Saffa vernacular was spot on I thought..
@BrumbiesBoy-859: if he’s always had his gun there then I dont see it being a problem in locating it when needed..
but yep, you would know as soon as you awoke whether there was someone laying in bed with you surely?
21 Feb 2013, 12:35 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-859:
“was in total darkness and I couldn’t/didn’t? see whether Reeva was in bed or not…”
Can’t have that dark……………………………..It would seem not many bullets missed.
Guilty.
21 Feb 2013, 12:36 pm
@Dawn-862:
Hi Dawn.
21 Feb 2013, 12:37 pm
@the curse-852:
he shouted at the intruder in his statement.
21 Feb 2013, 12:37 pm
@Dawn-862:
now now, I didnt say Cory, but Id hazard a guess that the odds are fairly high in regards to that man
21 Feb 2013, 12:38 pm
@cane-854: ” Is he that thick, that he didn’t think to ask?
…………………………..” Is that you in the dunny
darling” .
Where did he think she was?
In the tool shed.”
in his sworn statement he says he ONLY checked for her after blasting the crapper!
21 Feb 2013, 12:38 pm
@cane-865:
Ooops, post 865 ………..should read “can’t have BEEN that dark”.
21 Feb 2013, 12:39 pm
@CharlesM-839: What is perhaps more unfair is to get a hooker who has proven he cannot throw in ball, to practice throwing in a ball, & then to select him as hooker only to show once again that he cannot throw in a ball.
Why even select him as hooker?
Any way I truly hope he proves us (the sceptics) wrong, coz other than that he is pretty good & very exciting player.
21 Feb 2013, 12:41 pm
What I can gather from the article is that keo wants South Africans to be like the government..accept ineptitude and take any old thing that is thrown our way…embrace mediocrity like a blanket of faeces.
21 Feb 2013, 12:41 pm
@gunther-867: havent seen his statement so thanks. Was she too scared to reply then?
21 Feb 2013, 12:42 pm
@Transformation-869:
Good luck this weekend Transie.
A momentous day for EP.
21 Feb 2013, 12:43 pm
@cane-865: He also “can’t remenber” at what point he turned the lights on.
He also claimed “to have gone out to fetch a fan from the balcony and to close the balcony door & blinds and that must’ve been Reeva gott up to go to the bathroom”…
Pure coincidence of course that she woke up, then got up to go to the bathroom at the EXACT time that he was outside?
Pinnochio.
21 Feb 2013, 12:44 pm
@the curse-873:
Scared of him?
I guess.
If she thought there was a robber in the house she would surely have shouted back?
Very snoeky.
21 Feb 2013, 12:46 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-875: “…and that must’ve been when Reeva got up…”
21 Feb 2013, 12:46 pm
12:38 – Roux: State cannot factually contradict Oscar Pistorius version of events – so he should get bail.
21 Feb 2013, 12:46 pm
@gunther-876: I agree. but if he went outside then came back in, he must have walked past the bed, by which time his eyes should have adjusted to the lack of light..
only further incriminates him in a premeditated attack imho.
21 Feb 2013, 12:49 pm
@cane-874: thanks Caner!
been in the trenches since 2005 now to make history!
aluta continua!
21 Feb 2013, 12:50 pm
@the curse-879:
Agreed looks dodgy as fark.
21 Feb 2013, 12:50 pm
A man always knows where his gun is.
Even in the dark.
Anyway. Given the SAP cockup, Oscar will sprint.
21 Feb 2013, 12:51 pm
@Angostura-858:
Re the Botha’s of SA:
PW Botha- infamous
Naas Botha- infamous except in Pretoria
Bakkies Botha- same as Naas
Pik Botha- mmmmm… tough call… let’s say famous.
Calla Botha- infamous
Frans Botha- infamous (for being as thick as a brick or a Rhino skin)
Hardy Botha- Famous
Piet Botha- Legend
Hilton Botha- the jury is still out
a motley crew indeed.
21 Feb 2013, 12:52 pm
I think Tac would agree that Hilton Botha is a very tappit name.
21 Feb 2013, 12:55 pm
@Robzim-883:
And Bakkies Botha formerly know as Houston?
21 Feb 2013, 12:55 pm
@cane-854:
But if it was premedidated, it means that he must’ve planned it all night. Aware that she sometime/always woke up in the middle of the night to take a wee, he himself woke up before she did, stepped out onto the balcony where he waited until he heard her enter the toilet, got his gun and proceeded to fire four shots into the toilet, hoping/(knowing?) that at least one will kill her.
That’s what you’re saying?
21 Feb 2013, 12:56 pm
@Robzim-883: johan botha? gary botha? bj botha?
21 Feb 2013, 12:56 pm
@Robzim-883:
Durbanville is like Pretoria only with better weather.
21 Feb 2013, 12:56 pm
@Robzim-883: you forgot Bothalezi
21 Feb 2013, 12:57 pm
@Robzim-883: Yes Rob, I had the same feelings when considering Pik!
21 Feb 2013, 12:57 pm
@Dawn-882:
Oscar will most likely get bail.
But that will his only win,
in this sad and sorry affair.
21 Feb 2013, 12:57 pm
@Angostura-889:
21 Feb 2013, 13:03 pm
@Robzim-883: Pik Botha definitely famous …
in the lady’s boudoir (not unlike Dr Chris Barnard & FW de Klerk)
21 Feb 2013, 13:03 pm
@Angostura-889: is that the ghey female version?
21 Feb 2013, 13:08 pm
@the curse-894: neeman, watse “ghey” issit met jou, huh?
ghey donderbalkie, ghey bliksemstraaltjie
enigste lig in donker Afrika?
die Bothas!
21 Feb 2013, 13:16 pm
@Angostura-895: pardon?
was but a joke, chill mon
21 Feb 2013, 13:17 pm
@nama1-886:
My understanding nama, is that the shots were fired from the bathroom, through the toilet door.
The only way into the bathroom and toilet, is through the bedroom.
How many of us would pump 4 shots through a door, not knowing who was on the other side?
Not many I would hope.
21 Feb 2013, 13:25 pm
@nama1-886:
No it doesn’t.
Premeditation doesn’t imply a specific period of time.
21 Feb 2013, 13:30 pm
@Angostura-808: Hi Pal.I am serious.
The wing stood “wydsbeen”with the ball held in 2 hands at about
knee level,and lobbed the ball in.I am a mine of useless(but true)info.
Skop should be able to confirm.
21 Feb 2013, 13:36 pm
@ryecatcher-899: Keep up Kehla… You only about 100 posts behind…
Hope you said you 20 Hail Sharks to atone for that sporadic Stormerlike emo-ness I last saw from you…
21 Feb 2013, 13:36 pm
So there we were… Crack an invite to Loftus to watch the Bulls vs Stormers tomorrow…
Will have to bite the bullet and go support the underdogs…
Yep, it seems the Light Blue are heavy underdogs against the “awesome” “incredible” Stormers despite playing on their home turf at Cathedral Versveld.
The way the blogosphere are carrying on it looks like Stormers are shoe ins to win the Conference “Title” yet again already…
So, in the face of these incredible odds, I will lump my Dynamite lot in with the feeble Blue Davids against the Streeptrui fearsome Goliaths…
Its going to be hard… its going to be tough… But I shall “stand by” the Bulls tomorrow – the team of the city of my abode – against these overwhelming odds facing the invaders from the South…
Ye… Just for tomorrow my blood is Light Blue, until the clock strikes the witching hour and it reverts to the colours of Dynamite – Black and White…
21 Feb 2013, 13:38 pm
@Angostura-895:
Jy is ‘n Dagbreker.
21 Feb 2013, 13:38 pm
@the curse-896: I’m very chilled, curse
Sorry mate, that was not derogatory of you or anybody else
Just a recollection of something that occurred to me as I read your word “ghey”
With these two lines,
“ghey (actually it should be spelt, ‘gei’) donderbalkie, ghey bliksemstraaltjie
enigste lig in donker Afrika?” **
commenced the beginning of a dramatic soliloquy that freshmen at our university residence had to memorise & perform on demand, holding a burning match in one hand, to seniors during initiation. I went through the process as a freshman, & later on as a senior committee member dished it out as well – all silly stuff, really, but part of residence culture then.
** Translation:
gei (cannot be translated, but maybe, “hey”?) thunder stick, hey lightning flash,
only light in Darkest Africa
As you can see nothing scornful, just a spontaneous recollection of good times had.
Sorry that I gave you the wrong impression
21 Feb 2013, 13:39 pm
@Heavens Game-901: will you be able to get coverage in the south of France? do they show super rugby over there ?
21 Feb 2013, 13:41 pm
@Angostura-903: no probs, glad it brought back fun memories for you, my online translator didmnt know the references
21 Feb 2013, 13:41 pm
@Angostura-903:
Ek was in Seksie 8, 18 en weer 8 vanaf 2001 tot 2003.
21 Feb 2013, 13:41 pm
@Angostura-903:
Brand, bliksem, brand!
21 Feb 2013, 13:43 pm
@ryecatcher-899: I am serious as well, rye
when I started watching & later playing rugby, that is exactly how the wing threw in the ball
I’m not a spring chicken
21 Feb 2013, 13:43 pm
@the curse-904:
Twat!
Fark, Poops… Where in France is the Stadium Loftus Versveld…?
Me, I thought it was in Pretoria…
Hellsteeth, I must be going as senile as these old farts Rye and Angostura…
21 Feb 2013, 13:45 pm
@WP-Forever-907: Nee, WP, ek was in ‘n ander koshuis, by ‘n ander universiteit, maar die dinge is seker maar baie dieselfde orals oor
21 Feb 2013, 13:46 pm
@Angostura-910:
Janee…waar was jy, RAU?
21 Feb 2013, 13:46 pm
@Heavens Game-909: isnt it near Calais? now Piet, youve only just had your ban overturned, no running on to the field to “speak” to the ref ok?
21 Feb 2013, 13:53 pm
@WP-Forever-906:
Animal husbandry?
21 Feb 2013, 13:54 pm
@WP-Forever-911: UPE (NMMU)
21 Feb 2013, 13:54 pm
@nama1-886:
No..premeditated in that he mean’t to shoot her. Premeditated does not mean that he sat down and planned it…there was an intention to shoot her.
21 Feb 2013, 13:57 pm
@gunther-913:
Hehehehe.
21 Feb 2013, 13:58 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-835: And the original name of the merchant navy academy at Gordons Bay.And an orphanage
in JHB.
I would love to have met de la Rey.A boys own type hero.
21 Feb 2013, 14:01 pm
No, premeditation is more than just intention – but the Magistrate should explain all of that in his judgment
**
OK, guess it’s time for Superbru & Fantasia Rugby
Have those slack Tahs & Forcerers announced their teams already?
21 Feb 2013, 14:06 pm
Hi HG.What is “kehla”A mild or acerbic insult.My 20 Hail Mar,ys to atone
for late posts will start with my drinking on Friday night.And a continuous
litany of “GO SHARKS”
Have always hated being “premature”in my actions Regards.
21 Feb 2013, 14:07 pm
On a seperate subject, I see Amla has stepped away from the SA T20 side now.
I really think they should drop internationaly T20s and only keep ODIs and Test competitions between countries.
Leave T20 at the franchise level for a bit of fun.
21 Feb 2013, 14:09 pm
@ryecatcher-917:
Always been a favourite of mine. Brilliant general and a totally independent character.
21 Feb 2013, 14:11 pm
@the curse-904: I spose so… If I was there. But am not… Clearly.
Well clearly to okes that know a bit of geography that is…
No Loftus in Perpignan… Loftus in Pretoria…
Both have light blue as colours though, so maybe it is confusing for the average sheepshagger who got no conception of life beyond North Harbour
21 Feb 2013, 14:12 pm
@ryecatcher-919: Kehla = “old man” ngesizulu… Not derogatory at all…
21 Feb 2013, 14:12 pm
@David-921:
I am a descendant of his.
He was strongly opposed to the decision to declare war on the British Empire when it was debated in the ZAR’s Volksraad. Upon being accused of being a coward, he responded something to the tune of: “If this honourable assembly decides to declare war, you will find me to be the first to be on the field of battle, and I can assure you that I will remain on the field of battle longer than many other gentlemen present here.”
He was also remarkably liberal for his time when it came to race relations.
21 Feb 2013, 14:15 pm
@the curse-912: No, “bro”…
Now go do some work for a change…
21 Feb 2013, 14:16 pm
@WP-Forever-924: “I am a descendant of his”…
21 Feb 2013, 14:20 pm
@Heavens Game-926:
Look it’s always either Smuts or De la Rey.
Those to must have bred like rabbits.
(Not with each other obviously)
21 Feb 2013, 14:21 pm
@Heavens Game-909: F.U.from this old ****.
21 Feb 2013, 14:22 pm
@Heavens Game-922: North Harbour? eish, thats been Saffa territory for a while now..
and the cross is quiet tonight for some strange reason, no fun to be had turfing drunk expats out of the club bru.
21 Feb 2013, 14:23 pm
Yes… Looks like Stormers favourites again for this Conference thingy…
Sheesh from the sounds of arselickers like afkak moh.ammed and co. you would think that these Super Rugger Johnny Come latelys must be “winning-est” team in Super Rugby, without having won a damn thing yet ever…
Unless you count this Conference “Title” as something that actually counts…
Dont think even the Sader’s have won as many Conference “Titles”…
Totally Awesome…
Bulls gotta be shittting themselves tomorrow…
21 Feb 2013, 14:23 pm
@ryecatcher-928:
Quite right.
Kick him in his hamster balls
21 Feb 2013, 14:26 pm
@gunther-927: Big cannonballs released around the Laager…
Spawning descendents forever after ensconced in the fairest fishdorpie under the mountain…
Both must have been WP supporters too…
21 Feb 2013, 14:27 pm
@Heavens Game-923: Thanks pal.Retract the F.U.Stopped supporting anything W.P.when I went to Tvl
in 1964.Saw all the good players there who were more deserving of
being Boks than the Maties who got selected.and others.
Not bitter about it as it did not affect me.
Have a rule of supporting the Province which affords me a living
and where I live.That has been Natal for a hell of a long time.
21 Feb 2013, 14:28 pm
@gunther-927:
Nope, I’m definitely not a descendant of JC Smuts.
But the Lion of the Western Transvaal was one of my ancestors.
21 Feb 2013, 14:28 pm
@ryecatcher-928: Thats more like it kehla… A bit more ballas in the post…
Less emo…
Some dynamite…
21 Feb 2013, 14:29 pm
@ryecatcher-933:
And I stopped supporting Transvaal when I moved from the West Rand to Cape Town in 1998.
21 Feb 2013, 14:30 pm
@gunther-931: de la Rey,s book
Kommando a hell of a good read.He was quite a stunt(No spoonerisms please)
21 Feb 2013, 14:32 pm
@the curse-929: Your turf… Where the “bros” work “hard” and clearly Saffas need to be imported to get things done and actually do some work it seems…
PS: Here’s a good one you’ll appreciate…
Coupla maoris standing at the bar when a willowy young fella sidles up and whispers in Hone’s ear “Would you like a b.lowjob?” Hone instantly smashes him to the floor,kicks him to a pulp then turns back to his beer. “What the hell was that about?” says his mate. “P.rick offered me some sort of a job!”
21 Feb 2013, 14:34 pm
nerves farked….
totally….
Thankfully a busy Friday looms….to take my mind off the game……
But I will be a farken wreck come 7 pm….
21 Feb 2013, 14:36 pm
Where is Keohane with another tearful article.
21 Feb 2013, 14:39 pm
@Heavens Game-938:
how long where you out on the floor for?
too right about importing the Saffas, though they dont like this fat maori giving them orders…
21 Feb 2013, 14:39 pm
@ryecatcher-937:
You are thinking of Deneys Reitz.
21 Feb 2013, 14:40 pm
Pretoria – The holding cells at the Brooklyn police station in Pretoria where murder accused paralympian Oscar Pistorius is being held have no beds, Beeld reported on Thursday.
Pistorius is therefore sleeping on the floor, presumably on bedding supplied by his family, and sometimes has to share his cell with other detainees.
21 Feb 2013, 14:41 pm
@grant10-939: Maybe Neon Deon could sling a few lineout throws Morne’s way…
Will be funny if he had to take a droppy in the process…
21 Feb 2013, 14:42 pm
@WP-Forever-924:
He was a fascinating and complex individual and, as you said, far more liberal than most people are aware of. He’s certainly not the right wing character that some people have made him out to be.
You must be very proud to be a descendant of his.
21 Feb 2013, 14:42 pm
@ryecatcher-937:
It was Lion of the West.
21 Feb 2013, 14:43 pm
@the curse-941: Giving them orders… lol… That implies “work”….
Farkoff man you been funny now…
21 Feb 2013, 14:43 pm
Only Pistorius was screaming – lawyer
Pretoria – Only athlete Oscar Pistorius was screaming the night he shot his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp, his lawyer Barry Roux said in the Pretoria Magistrate’s Court on Wednesday.
Witnesses could also not say it was Pistorius who was heard arguing, as claimed by witnesses the State said earlier it would call upon.
Roux said one of the residents who gave a statement about screaming lived 600m away.
Investigating officer Hilton Botha said police still needed to measure the distance.
Roux said Pistorius usually slept on the right side of the bed, which faced the balcony.
“But because of the pain in his shoulder that evening he slept on the left side,” said Roux.
21 Feb 2013, 14:43 pm
@Dawn-943:
Frontendloader.
21 Feb 2013, 14:43 pm
@gunther-927: FROM THE TRIAL.
I see that a wet dream is technically called a nocturnal emission.
Had one a couple or 6 years ago.Did not know whether to be embarassed
or proud.
21 Feb 2013, 14:48 pm
‘Non-stop fighting’ at Pistorius house
2013-02-20 11:00
Pretoria – The State will submit a witness statement that there was non-stop fighting at athlete Oscar Pistorius’s home on the morning his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp was shot dead, the Pretoria Magistrate’s Court heard on Wednesday.
“The accused’s actions and phone calls on the night is part of pre-planning,” State prosecutor Gerrie Nel said in Pistorius’s bail application.
21 Feb 2013, 14:49 pm
@ryecatcher-950:
Your like a teenager again.
You remind me of Blue from Old School.
We won’t take you KY wrestling with Dawn though in the interests of your health.
Regards
Gunther
21 Feb 2013, 14:49 pm
@Angostura: Unitas af Xanadu?
21 Feb 2013, 14:51 pm
12.49pm GMT
Nair has a few questions.
12.49pm GMT
Roux concludes that the interests of
justice permit Pistorius’s release.
— Barry Bateman
(@barrybateman)
February 21, 2013
#OscarPistorius Roux: he has given
his full version, it makes sense,
there is nothing to refute it – why
should he still be jailed? BB
21 Feb 2013, 14:52 pm
@David-946: Hate to defer to a Stormer but you are right David.
21 Feb 2013, 14:53 pm
Pretoria – The investigating officer in the Oscar Pistorius murder case said on Thursday attempted murder charges against him stem from his pursuit of a murder suspect.
Hilton Botha is facing seven charges of attempted murder for allegedly firing shots at a minibus taxi carrying seven occupants. It has also been claimed that Botha was drunk at the time of the incident.
But on Thursday morning, the officer told eNCA that the incident was as a result of his investigation into the murder of Denise Stratford, whose body was stuffed into a drain.
“My blood was never tested for alcohol in the aftermath of the shooting. I wasn’t drunk,” Botha said.
He said shots were fired at the taxi after it “tried to push us off the road”. Botha says he was pursuing a suspect for Stratford’s murder.
21 Feb 2013, 14:57 pm
Fish Hoek shark nets get green light
Cape Town – The City of Cape Town has been issued a permit to install shark nets at Fish Hoek beach for a trial period, it was reported on Thursday.
The Cape Times reported that the Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries department approved the permit, which would allow the nets to be in place until January 2014.
The city’s environmental resources head Gregg Oelofse said the nets would be deployed depending on the weather patterns in the next few weeks.
They would be deployed in the morning before sunrise and taken out of the sea at sunset.
21 Feb 2013, 14:58 pm
You all KNOW I’m bored.
21 Feb 2013, 15:00 pm
@ryecatcher-955: Confused it with
Deneys Reitz book.Joined Boer army at age of 17.
If you ever go to Spienkop battlefield/cemetery you will notice(Apart from the
criminal neglect of our heritage)just how young some of the boer soldiers
were.
21 Feb 2013, 15:00 pm
@Dawn-957:
Sounds good.
As long as they don’t get Captain Cunteye to make it.
When he hears fishnets he’ll start scrabbling in his underwear drawer.
21 Feb 2013, 15:04 pm
1.01pm GMT
The hearing is adjourned for 10
minutes.
1.01pm GMT
Roux says there is public outrage on
both sides.
He says he thinks there might be shock
if Pistorius is not released.
1.00pm GMT
Oscar Pistorius in court today.
Photograph: Siphiwe Sibeko/Reuters
Nair asks Roux if releasing Pistorius on
bail would lead to a sense of outrage in
the community.
It depends, says Roux.
Updated at 1.00pm GMT
21 Feb 2013, 15:04 pm
What a tragedy for Reeva’s family and loved ones.
My opinion.
If you wake up and suspect a intruder the first reaction is to see if yor gf/wife or bf if you are a male stormers supporter is still lying next to you and are safe.
He says he shouted at the intruder before firing,why did she not answer him and stop him from firing.
He has 2 dogs including a pitbull,why did they not raise the alarm.
Why was the toiletdoor locked?
Why did he not warn the intruder that he is armed and if he/they try and exit the toilet he will shoot them and then call the estate security?Looking at the houseplans if he did this he had far superior angles of fire onto the door as oppossed to the intruder rushing out to try and shoot him.
So many talking points,1 certainty.
a young bright woman with great noble aspirations are dead.
So sad indeed.
21 Feb 2013, 15:05 pm
@gunther-952: Had to google it.Sounds like good movie.See that lead actor died aged 86.
21 Feb 2013, 15:12 pm
@ryecatcher-963:
Don’t worry we won’t make you wrestle Dawn in pool of KY jelly.
21 Feb 2013, 15:12 pm
“This Means War” is a good movie
21 Feb 2013, 15:13 pm
@David-945:
I am.
21 Feb 2013, 15:13 pm
@gunther-952:
You’re my boy, blue!
21 Feb 2013, 15:15 pm
@gunther-952: “you’re my boy Blue’
21 Feb 2013, 15:15 pm
Happy Feet jnr found in New Zealand
Wellington – A penguin dubbed Happy Feet junior has been found stranded 2 000km from home in New Zealand, reviving memories of another wayward penguin that washed up in 2011.
The latest wandering stray was discovered close to death on the coast south of Wellington over the weekend and taken to the capital’s zoo suffering from malnutrition and kidney failure.
Wellington Zoo veterinary surgeon Lisa Argilla said it was a juvenile royal penguin, which had drifted far from a breeding colony in sub-Antarctic Macquarie Island and was believed to be the first ever seen in the North Island.
21 Feb 2013, 15:18 pm
Los Angeles – Jennifer Lawrence’s breasts have a “life of their own”.
The 22-year-old actress is amused by her “bouncing” assets and she thinks people are interested in her boobs because they are 100 percent real.
She told website Heatworld: “I think people are fascinated with breasts that bounce. They are so used to seeing [fake ones].
“People are confused [that mine bounce]! My breasts have a life of their own.”
21 Feb 2013, 15:18 pm
@Dawn-969:
Lucky he didn’t end up in Caners poitje.
21 Feb 2013, 15:20 pm
@gunther-971: Mitch Martin: True love is hard to find,
sometimes you think you have true love
and then you catch the early flight home
from San Diego and a couple of nude
people jump out of your bathroom
blindfolded like a goddamn magic show
ready to double team your girlfriend…
21 Feb 2013, 15:21 pm
“Winning isn’t everything” hey Keo?
Starting early with your Kings PR spin doctoring I see…
21 Feb 2013, 15:22 pm
@ryecatcher-950: Be proud, mate!
21 Feb 2013, 15:23 pm
@gunther-971:
Or in Hore’s.
21 Feb 2013, 15:24 pm
Please hold
Am viewing Kim Kardashian’s baby bump photo shoot
21 Feb 2013, 15:24 pm
@Dawn-970: you have just sent google images into overdrive..
(nice lungs on that girl by the way
)
21 Feb 2013, 15:25 pm
@gunther-964: I ‘submit” very easily
21 Feb 2013, 15:25 pm
@Transformation-972:
“Anything? Well, uh I guess I, deep down, am feeling a little confused. I mean, suddenly, you get married, and you’re supposed to be this entirely different guy. I don’t feel different. I mean, take yesterday for example. We were out at the Olive Garden for dinner, which was lovely. And uh, I happen to look over at a certain point during the meal and see a waitress taking an order, and I found myself wondering what color her underpants might be. Her panties. Uh, odds are they are probably basic white, cotton, underpants. But I sort of think well maybe they’re silk panties, maybe it’s a thong. Maybe it’s something really cool that I don’t even know about. You know, and uh, and I started feeling… what? what I thought we were in the trust tree in the nest, were we not?”
21 Feb 2013, 15:26 pm
@WP-Forever-975: yeah Horey shoots them for *****& giggles.
21 Feb 2013, 15:26 pm
Well that was a whole lot of nothing
21 Feb 2013, 15:28 pm
@gunther-964: Probably does me credit
that I dont know.But what is KY jelly.?I have lived a sheltered life.
21 Feb 2013, 15:28 pm
@gunther-979: bwahahahaha