All hail the Kings
23 Feb 2013
The Kings scored an historic Super Rugby victory in their tournament debut in Port Elizabeth.
The Kings won 22-10 in front of a crowd exceeding 30 000 against Australia’s Western Force.
What a magnificent achievement. What a wonderful night for rugby in the Southern and Eastern Cape. What a night to remember.
South Africans be proud of a team that played for themselves, their region and their country.
Hopefully now the hatred with subside.
Luke Watson, a former Grey High captain, led out the Kings and proved inspirational in the opening 30 minutes before an accidental elbow to his larynx ended his evening. His replacement Jacques Englebrecht was as imposing as every Kings player stood tall in defence to turn a 10-5 deficit into a 11-10 lead and ultimately victory.
The Kings players with Super Rugby experience like hooker Bandise Maku, lock Steven Sykes and midfielders Andries Strauss and Ronnie Cooke were outstanding but it was a local teenager, winger Sergeal Petersen, who stole the hearts with a brace of tries to be named man of the match.
Petersen was in school at Grey High just three months ago and what made the night even more monumental was the first try should go to local lad from the region’s greatest rugby institution and that the player of the night should be a product of Grey High.
Kings Director of Rugby Alan Solomons deserves every accolade, as does coach Matt Sexton.
‘It was an incredible defensive effort,’ said Solomons. ‘We turned over a lot of ball and made a lot of mistakes but they will learn at this level. But their commitment can’t be faulted. It was a huge effort.’
Kings stand in captain Andries Strauss said the players were always confident they were good enough to win.
‘We will enjoy the night, but we are a grounded unit and we know it just gets tougher with each match.’
The Kings were given no price and no chance and done no favours.
The Kings lead the South African Conference after week one and that alone is a screen shot that makes this year among the most historic in South Africa’s Super Rugby history.
The Kings were everything but an embarrassment. They were an inspiration and they deserve every bit of applause for what was achieved in Port Elizabeth on Saturday night.
No new team in the competition has ever won in their first match. That bit of history belongs to the Kings.
By Mark Keohane
944 Comments
23 Feb 2013, 16:48 pm
Good luck new dragons
23 Feb 2013, 17:01 pm
May the Force……….be against you.
23 Feb 2013, 17:03 pm
Massacre ahead.
23 Feb 2013, 17:04 pm
Krismis in February ! Go Kings ! Just go Kings!
23 Feb 2013, 18:18 pm
@cosca-4: Yes go go go……… Go fark youselfs!!!
23 Feb 2013, 18:19 pm
@cosca-4: Yes go go go……… Go fark youselfs!!
23 Feb 2013, 18:19 pm
Are we clear?
23 Feb 2013, 18:41 pm
lekker lekker man…super rugby is in die baai…it’s not a dream
23 Feb 2013, 18:44 pm
All over PE, in New Bright and Zwide, are thousands of CapeCrusaderShits waiting to see their harlot queens “show up”
23 Feb 2013, 18:47 pm
*****
23 Feb 2013, 18:48 pm
lol f.art seriously ????
23 Feb 2013, 18:49 pm
Let’s sing again.
O thou great Guppy
Guide me, O thou great Guppy,
Swimming through this sterile sea;
I am weak, but thou art Mighty;
Hold me with thy powerful fin:
Ocean of heaven, Ocean of heaven
Feed me frenzy till I want no more.
Feed frenzy me till I want no more.
Open thou the crystal Oyster
Whence the healing stream shall flow;
Let the fiery, cloudy water
Lead me all my journey through:
Strong deliverer, strong deliverer
Be thou still my strength and scales.
Be thou still my strength and scales.
When I tread the verge of Posiedon,
Bid my anxious fears foes subside;
Death to choking, and winning trophies,
Land me safe on Super Rugby glorious side:
Dream of winning, Dream of winning
I will ever give to thee.
I will ever give to thee.
23 Feb 2013, 18:51 pm
@Transformation-8:
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore—
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over—
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?
23 Feb 2013, 18:52 pm
Kings might surprise
23 Feb 2013, 18:52 pm
@ 6 Kwagga
Uncalled for.Why do you feel the need to be nasty,have you got no other ways to vent your frustrations?
23 Feb 2013, 18:53 pm
The time has come, all these years of waiting are finally over.
23 Feb 2013, 18:53 pm
Yislike who’s that fine English lass singing at the Eng/France game?
23 Feb 2013, 18:54 pm
This is going to be hilarious
23 Feb 2013, 18:54 pm
@RL-12:
‘Land me safe on Super Rugby glorious side’
would be better as:
Land me safe on Super Rugby’s glorious shore
23 Feb 2013, 18:55 pm
@RL-12: love it.
This gonna be fun to watch. Kings’ season is going to be determined right here.
23 Feb 2013, 18:55 pm
Imagine what will happen when they play against a real team?
23 Feb 2013, 18:57 pm
Guys lets all get behind the Kings here.
The players I mean.
What say ye?
23 Feb 2013, 18:57 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-19: how right yo are.
@Dilligafrican-20:
23 Feb 2013, 18:58 pm
@Guns-11:
Farting is banned on keo. Seriously!
23 Feb 2013, 18:59 pm
Never heard of the vast majority of the kings players.
Well, the spectators behind the poles will get to know them well
23 Feb 2013, 18:59 pm
@John Galt-22: No thanks. I’m going to watch some real rugby. Will watch this comedy later.
23 Feb 2013, 18:59 pm
Schadenfreude kings.
23 Feb 2013, 19:00 pm
@Rage-17:
Laura Right, she also plays full-back for Rosslyn Park Ladies in south-west London.
23 Feb 2013, 19:00 pm
@Rage-17:
Yoh, what an outfit to go with that voice.
23 Feb 2013, 19:01 pm
Good luck to the Kings.
But I went long the Force. Seriously long.
23 Feb 2013, 19:03 pm
Kings shouldnt be there. the way they got in sucked. But good luck to them.
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they will need every bit of luck they can get.
23 Feb 2013, 19:04 pm
France v Eng might be a better game to watch
23 Feb 2013, 19:06 pm
@ 28 robzim
Thanx! Shes a 15 you say… She must be the most beautiful rugby player in the world.
@ 29 nortier
Ja meneer,syt my asem skoon weggeslaan
23 Feb 2013, 19:06 pm
Mostly kingsaders in the crowd?
23 Feb 2013, 19:06 pm
@ShaunB-32:
Let me guess. You haven’t got pvr?
23 Feb 2013, 19:08 pm
@I am a stormer-35: lovely stadium, isn’t it.
23 Feb 2013, 19:10 pm
why the fck are the Kings playing in black?
Don’t the sharks already own that strip?
23 Feb 2013, 19:11 pm
quite a pale looking team.
23 Feb 2013, 19:11 pm
It’s showtime!
23 Feb 2013, 19:11 pm
The Kings in Black.
Where did they get that idea from?
This won’t go down well.
23 Feb 2013, 19:11 pm
Fantastic crowd support for Kings.
23 Feb 2013, 19:11 pm
showtime
23 Feb 2013, 19:11 pm
@Rage-33:
Lambie will disagree with you, but Gareth Thomas will concede she beats him in the looks department
23 Feb 2013, 19:12 pm
Kinks look like Sharks, only just blacker jerseys.
At least jerseys are properly transformed.
23 Feb 2013, 19:14 pm
the black strip is so unoriginal. it has already been stolen once by the stormers.
23 Feb 2013, 19:15 pm
@polaris-44:
Skerp
23 Feb 2013, 19:15 pm
@Robzim-41: Ya it’s great to see
23 Feb 2013, 19:15 pm
The green grocer has played quite well already. Stompies might be sorry they let him go and took on Jantjes.
23 Feb 2013, 19:16 pm
@ 43 nortier
Hehehe!
23 Feb 2013, 19:18 pm
Sjoe these Kings players are playing dirty.
23 Feb 2013, 19:19 pm
when i see Twatson I want to puke
23 Feb 2013, 19:19 pm
I agree with the comments re the black strip…uninspiring,unoriginal,mundane.Replica jerseys will not sell well…Kings should have gone for red and white or something.
23 Feb 2013, 19:19 pm
listen to them booing!
23 Feb 2013, 19:21 pm
Who is the PE breker trying to look like Anton Bresler ?
23 Feb 2013, 19:21 pm
@Rage-52:
Red and white will be too confusing during the annual relegation matches to be played between them and the Lions
23 Feb 2013, 19:22 pm
damn – the Western Force are kak. If the Kings dont win this game, they wont win any.
23 Feb 2013, 19:23 pm
@Rage-52: Agreed, I don’t know why they didn’t just go for the old EP colours, silly
23 Feb 2013, 19:23 pm
I would have gone for a red and yellow strip. no other team plays in those colours.
23 Feb 2013, 19:23 pm
agreed the jerseys are so so unoriginal.
they should have stuck to the jerseys the EP Kings/Mighty Elephants use.
red, black and white?
23 Feb 2013, 19:24 pm
Eesh die Maku….he just wants to fight…..must be fired up. They must have shown him an apartheid video.
23 Feb 2013, 19:24 pm
Commentator: that’s a lovely little Sonny Bill from Luke Watson
LOL
23 Feb 2013, 19:24 pm
LEKKER !
23 Feb 2013, 19:25 pm
their logo of the spears is set against red and yellow
23 Feb 2013, 19:25 pm
Nortier jys wee op jou stukke vanaand ne…hehe
23 Feb 2013, 19:26 pm
@Rage-61:
Luke is having a great game so far.
23 Feb 2013, 19:26 pm
so the kings don’t have a sponsor on their jersey?
23 Feb 2013, 19:26 pm
@ShaunB-63: Is it red and yellow, or Lukes puke ?
23 Feb 2013, 19:26 pm
puke is looking pretty average
23 Feb 2013, 19:27 pm
Lucky try. Force are mega kak though. Even kakker than usual.
23 Feb 2013, 19:27 pm
WOW….. now the bitterbekke will be quiet for a while at least, lol.
23 Feb 2013, 19:27 pm
Watson having a huge game so far.
Well done Kings, 1st try
23 Feb 2013, 19:27 pm
Kings are in business,well done Sergeal!
23 Feb 2013, 19:28 pm
Ha HA Lekker stuff Kings!
23 Feb 2013, 19:28 pm
bit of a flukey try
23 Feb 2013, 19:28 pm
wow if they keep this up the kings have a chance of beating the stormers!
23 Feb 2013, 19:28 pm
lol – I think solomons nearly crapped himself too – the kings outside backs look sharp – they going to be doing well to contain Cummings and co
23 Feb 2013, 19:28 pm
@Dusky-69:
Force is poor, but Watson not doing bad at the moment.
23 Feb 2013, 19:29 pm
Kings score!!
23 Feb 2013, 19:29 pm
@ 65 robzim
Yes he’s leading from the front…doing a great job so far.
23 Feb 2013, 19:29 pm
This force left winger Mafie is a dirty bugger – going to be sent off.
23 Feb 2013, 19:29 pm
@ShaunB-66: they do – Black like me.
23 Feb 2013, 19:31 pm
Huge emotions flowing down in the Port of Eliz.
How far can this carry this team? Passionate and motivated to the eyeballs are these players.
Inspirational stuff from the Baainaars.
But they do need to control the adrenalin flow and be disciplined.
23 Feb 2013, 19:32 pm
Wow. Good on them, maybe they’ll fare better than Lions.
Other conferences may have a sniff of a hope that SA rivals won’t get additional 10 pointers on a plate.
23 Feb 2013, 19:32 pm
What a try by France
23 Feb 2013, 19:33 pm
Geez poor tackling from England
23 Feb 2013, 19:33 pm
cheating ref, that was a try. silly call by the ref
23 Feb 2013, 19:33 pm
What a kak call
23 Feb 2013, 19:33 pm
***** that’s some wierd *** **** from the ref
23 Feb 2013, 19:33 pm
And over at Twickenham Wesley Fofana just scored a fantastic try for France!
23 Feb 2013, 19:34 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell-85:
Yep, but great speed by the centre.
23 Feb 2013, 19:35 pm
Home town referee.
23 Feb 2013, 19:35 pm
sergeal…
23 Feb 2013, 19:36 pm
Come on Kings.
23 Feb 2013, 19:36 pm
Shocker by ref should have been force mall try
23 Feb 2013, 19:37 pm
@nortierd-90: Ya definitely, did great to get away like that
23 Feb 2013, 19:37 pm
That’s better Force
23 Feb 2013, 19:38 pm
this ref is kak. why did he need the tv ref there?
23 Feb 2013, 19:38 pm
This ref doesn’t want to give the Force a try by himself.
23 Feb 2013, 19:38 pm
Dmitri look good in black
23 Feb 2013, 19:38 pm
Jhb is celebrating that try.
23 Feb 2013, 19:38 pm
Willie Roos is such a bad ref.
23 Feb 2013, 19:38 pm
Nope looks like kings pack losing it already
23 Feb 2013, 19:39 pm
crowds gone very quiet
23 Feb 2013, 19:39 pm
@Robzim, yip Luke’s having a Stormer. The suurgat/bitterbekke will be fuming.
23 Feb 2013, 19:39 pm
Geez, he even looked reluctant to give it after the TMO said he could, not good
23 Feb 2013, 19:39 pm
except for the boos of course
23 Feb 2013, 19:39 pm
Useless queens scrum – Turbo reversing
fatties are all finished and now the flood gates to open for the Force.
23 Feb 2013, 19:40 pm
PE crowd are the Milwall of the S15.
Bunch of boorish yobs.
23 Feb 2013, 19:40 pm
Looks like Sias gave Goodwin some kicking tips
23 Feb 2013, 19:40 pm
Lourens van der Merwe is such a cheat.
Doing his best to keep the Kings competitive against the uber kak Force.
23 Feb 2013, 19:40 pm
This oke kicks as kak as Jantjoes
23 Feb 2013, 19:43 pm
One of the few times I support the Aussies…my how times have changed.
23 Feb 2013, 19:43 pm
A couple more tries for the Force and we’re gonna see flying bottles and perhaps a pitch invader or two from the crowd that have been sold unrealistic expectations by Cheeky’s propaganda team.
23 Feb 2013, 19:43 pm
flood gates have opened
23 Feb 2013, 19:44 pm
Unfortunately **** is getting real for the Kings now.
23 Feb 2013, 19:44 pm
See McDonalds are sponsoring the Force.
Don’t be surprised to see Ollie Le Roux come out of retirement to play for them.
23 Feb 2013, 19:44 pm
@ 113
Lol
23 Feb 2013, 19:44 pm
Change of kicker and thats an even worse kick
23 Feb 2013, 19:45 pm
reckon the force will take this by about 40 in the end.
23 Feb 2013, 19:46 pm
bye puke, so long.
23 Feb 2013, 19:46 pm
The lions wouldve lost this game by 30+ , definitely better quality from the kings!
23 Feb 2013, 19:46 pm
Het Luke naar geword?
23 Feb 2013, 19:47 pm
Daar kak Lukas. And it wasn’t a dutchie that did it either.
23 Feb 2013, 19:47 pm
Well, Luke stayed on as long as there was glory to be had. With sh*t getting real for the Kings, he makes a hasty retreat for an early shower.
23 Feb 2013, 19:47 pm
@Tacitus-113: schadefreude?
23 Feb 2013, 19:48 pm
Three mil for thirty minutes on the pitch?
23 Feb 2013, 19:48 pm
@ShaunB-119: the way they are kicking 40 points are 8 tries
23 Feb 2013, 19:48 pm
Cant understand why this crowd is so aggressive.
You’d think they would be a little more respectful given the fact they’re actually watching live S15 rugby.
23 Feb 2013, 19:48 pm
Trannie you not at the game?
23 Feb 2013, 19:49 pm
@Tacitus-124:
Well planned, now Cheeky can claim they lost without their “inspiring captain”
23 Feb 2013, 19:49 pm
Puke is off for good – chickened out with a sore throat
23 Feb 2013, 19:49 pm
@Tacitus-124: lol!
23 Feb 2013, 19:49 pm
Someone pour a bucket of kots on puke as he leaves the field. Come on man !
23 Feb 2013, 19:50 pm
actually Pukey took one to the (glass) jaw
23 Feb 2013, 19:50 pm
@Tacitus-129: gone to give Puke his towel
23 Feb 2013, 19:50 pm
@John Galt-108:
John Guilt, and you base that conclusion on what?
Your hatred because that cricketer from that area, Robin Peterson, has made you look so so very stupid and consistently so recently and beyond?
Are home-sides not vociferously and emotionally supported by home fans.
With such persistently expressed hatred why don’t you just simply f’ck out of all AFRICA.
23 Feb 2013, 19:50 pm
Engelbrecht looks v good – shoulda been on for start
23 Feb 2013, 19:51 pm
@Dusky-133:
Sal daai hou op sy keel tel vir ‘n PPK?
23 Feb 2013, 19:51 pm
@Tacitus-129: in Zwide sitting in a shebeen.
23 Feb 2013, 19:51 pm
Jissus I tell you this ref is doing everything in his power to help the Kings
23 Feb 2013, 19:52 pm
Watson should be at 8 or open side with this engelbrecht at blindside. Kings back line looks dangerous , fullback is outstanding
23 Feb 2013, 19:53 pm
@victoriabok-138: ja maar ek wil he iemand moet hom uit moer. Hy moet bietjie slaap.
23 Feb 2013, 19:53 pm
@ET.-136: relax fool, you are not in africa so you have no right to tell someone to leave by the way.
23 Feb 2013, 19:53 pm
@ET.-136:
Hey ET.
How are you?
Nope have many good friends from EC. And I don’t hate Robbie Boy, I just think he’s an average spinner. Very average.
Hows your prediction often Pakistanis rolling the Proteas going? Haha.
Have a good evening.
23 Feb 2013, 19:53 pm
@Dusky-142:
Hy lyk maar bietjie dik, betaal hulle hom per kg?
23 Feb 2013, 19:54 pm
Wonder how Griquas would do against this Force team.
23 Feb 2013, 19:54 pm
Really dumb by Strauss
23 Feb 2013, 19:54 pm
Joh some serious dislike for the Kings in this place
23 Feb 2013, 19:55 pm
How do they support in Pukeland? Does someone usually get stabbed to symbolise the province? Maybe the odd shooting at the opposition team to make things interesting.
23 Feb 2013, 19:55 pm
@Tacitus-146:
We play them next week at Loftus
23 Feb 2013, 19:57 pm
@Predawn-149:
Hulle speel “Eye of the tiger” in die stadium, Cheeky “root” vir Mr T
23 Feb 2013, 19:57 pm
The Force will be looking for at least 3 more tries in the second half.
23 Feb 2013, 19:58 pm
Nicholas Mas still an yster – destroying England scrum
23 Feb 2013, 19:59 pm
@ET.-136: Oh and by the way, I’m actually backing the Kings players. And only the players. as ivestated twice on the site this evening.
I’m just surprised at the crowds disrespect. Would you care to explain yours?
23 Feb 2013, 20:00 pm
@victoriabok-151:
VB
Pleks jy jou 100 plus plekke se Klimt in die Superbru celebrate nou kom praat jy n klomp tjol hier.
Baie geluk, jy het n great naweek sover
23 Feb 2013, 20:01 pm
I can’t quite understand the hype surrounding this England team, they were beaten at home last year by a fairly ordinary Bok team
23 Feb 2013, 20:01 pm
Very gutsy first-half performance from the newboys, Kings.
Whatever happens beyond this point, there will be many people on this thread and site feeling very stupid because of their claims (100 plus scorelines etc.) all seeped in blatant racism and the hatred which flows from it..
23 Feb 2013, 20:02 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell-156:
Their win over the AB’s gave them a lot of confidence.
They are playing quite well and building.
Could be tricky at home during the WC in 2015
23 Feb 2013, 20:06 pm
@John Guilt-154:
Just shows how confused and conflicted you racist F U Kkers are.
Or is that support coming totally out of FEAR even as you abide your S.African time in KWAZULU?
How many guns in your home?
I have not ever handled a gun and will be pleased not to for the rest of my life.
23 Feb 2013, 20:07 pm
The Kings will be a well drilled team under Solly’s guidance and no matter what anyone says about Luke, he was never a kak player.
23 Feb 2013, 20:08 pm
#151 If Sheeke’ had anything to do with Rocky 3 Sly Stallone would have had to start with a points deduction and one arm tied behind his back…and shortened the fight to 10 rounds…all for the previously disadvantaged.
23 Feb 2013, 20:09 pm
@nortierd-158: Ya that is true, they will be tough at home in 2015
23 Feb 2013, 20:10 pm
Luke is a huge loss – very good player & inspirational captain
Go Kings
23 Feb 2013, 20:10 pm
@John Guilt-154:
Can one disrespect a sub-human?
Is that your animalistic European sensitivities showing. How could you have such when you are so conversant with the scums of Millwall
23 Feb 2013, 20:10 pm
Do the commentators have a contractual obligation to talk up the Kings?
23 Feb 2013, 20:11 pm
Try England
23 Feb 2013, 20:12 pm
Bring on Hadleigh Parkes…..the Auckland boy will bring it home for the Kings
23 Feb 2013, 20:12 pm
@Angostura-163: like KP, Michael Clarke and Graeme Smith – both quality bowlers who are ranked in the top 100.
23 Feb 2013, 20:12 pm
Sacre le bleu, did zu see zhat?
Go Frogs!!!
23 Feb 2013, 20:12 pm
England taking control. France are kaaak.
23 Feb 2013, 20:12 pm
@Angostura-163:
You should be thoroughly enjoying the passion and the motivation of mostly inexperienced players at this level?
23 Feb 2013, 20:13 pm
@Tacitus-165: from what I can gather they are PE born.
23 Feb 2013, 20:13 pm
Ugh jammy stuff
23 Feb 2013, 20:14 pm
Got England by 9
At least my 6 Nations is looking good, Super Rugby, no comment!
23 Feb 2013, 20:14 pm
Kings are playing well. Where all those snake eyed slithering slimy Sharkishit guppy yuppie crooked creeps who looking for degenerative anti Watson anti Kings agendas to bolster their own pathetic faking snake eyed agendas?
Melbourne Rebels were smacked silly in their opening super rugby encounterwith all their 10 international imports. Kings have started with far more promise against a pretty competitive professional Aussie outfit who took Rebels close last week.
23 Feb 2013, 20:15 pm
This Force team is kak.
23 Feb 2013, 20:16 pm
@RL-168: go back to my original post & look what I said (but your reading skill & cognitive ability seriously limited, ne!)
23 Feb 2013, 20:17 pm
I suddenly have a hankering for snake eye whisky pardner.
23 Feb 2013, 20:17 pm
@ET.-157:
no, its coming… the “100 plus scorelines etc” are coming… trust me…
23 Feb 2013, 20:18 pm
@ET.-171: Yes, this is very exciting, thx E.T.
23 Feb 2013, 20:18 pm
@Angostura-177: de Lange played 1 match and is ranked at #70 – get it with your convict man love.
23 Feb 2013, 20:18 pm
France still in it England got a lucky try off a loose kick through ball. France playing most of the rugby.
23 Feb 2013, 20:18 pm
Snorefest….
23 Feb 2013, 20:19 pm
Transie your Sergeal Pietersen cannot tackle.
23 Feb 2013, 20:21 pm
2012 result Lions vs Force
Two second-half tries have secured the Western Force a scrappy 17-11 Super Rugby victory over the Lions at Perth’s nib Stadium to avoid an embarrassing loss to the bottom-placed South African team.
Kings not doing bad against them.
Force is not too bright, but you can only play what is in front of you.
23 Feb 2013, 20:22 pm
England patiently wearing France down.
23 Feb 2013, 20:22 pm
@nortierd-155:
Dankie, ek het geworry oor die Bulls
23 Feb 2013, 20:22 pm
@skopdiekan-182:
Yes, but England’s secret weapon is on, none other than Freddie Le Sharke
23 Feb 2013, 20:23 pm
Lourens van der Merwe such a cheat.
23 Feb 2013, 20:23 pm
@nortierd-188:
As I speak he knocks on while the Frogs are on attack
23 Feb 2013, 20:24 pm
Come Kings show these fckup punky excuses of antique decrepit apartheid desiring creeps what outright second grade 2 face last bastion punks they are.
23 Feb 2013, 20:24 pm
The kings are ahead. And another dodgy call for that yellow card.
23 Feb 2013, 20:25 pm
Freddie’s mind is in Umhlanga where the hot chicks and best clubs are. France will never be the same for him.
23 Feb 2013, 20:27 pm
@ET.-157: So having no respect for the Watsons and finding that it’s wrong that they want to field 5 foreign players instead of the local crop who this whole opportunity was about and that the team made into the competition without having to prove themselves makes me racist? The issues I have with the inclusion Kings and how this was all handled by administrators are surely good points. The fast majority of ppl saying the Kings are going to lose have nothing against the players themselves, but the sour taste of how it was done and the only player they don’t like is Puke Watson. I think you need to get out from under your rock and actually start reading and learning what the actually points of concern are etc.
23 Feb 2013, 20:27 pm
Force is terrible, which helps the Kings. But the Kings are not too bad. Good first game for them.
23 Feb 2013, 20:27 pm
After that last penalty I’m surprised the kings players didn’t give the ref a ^5 as well.
23 Feb 2013, 20:28 pm
@John Guilt-144:
Because you have no case to present in defense of your initial comment of the crowd you resort to deflect with an outright lie with this garbage (albeit in rank bad, nonsensical English :
” Hows your prediction often Pakistanis rolling the Proteas going? ”
“often”? Really?
I bet my Cape home that you cannot reproduce such a post, ever.
Amazing how my stiffer opposition becomes your “often Pakistanis rolling”(sic) – whatever that means. But many here know well that apartheid supporters are extremely prone to lying(hand in glove situation).
Go ply your hatred on your European continent. It is better suited there
23 Feb 2013, 20:28 pm
I didn’t know the Force stood for Third Force? You learn something new every day I tell you.
23 Feb 2013, 20:28 pm
YES….Kings
23 Feb 2013, 20:29 pm
Sergeal Petersen again!
23 Feb 2013, 20:29 pm
Kings going to win this.
Nice try
23 Feb 2013, 20:29 pm
Brilliant TRY. Just brilliant!!!
23 Feb 2013, 20:30 pm
Oh, and hi all. Official newbie on the forums here, haha… It is nice to see the Kings doing well, but sucks that’s its with the Watsons. Would be a nice feeling if only the Watson weren’t involved in it.
23 Feb 2013, 20:31 pm
Sergeal!!!
23 Feb 2013, 20:31 pm
Wynand Claasen’s son making his run on for France
23 Feb 2013, 20:31 pm
@Predawn-193:
23 Feb 2013, 20:31 pm
The Force must be REALLY KAAAK!!!
23 Feb 2013, 20:31 pm
And these Keo haters are just QUIET., so very quiet.
What will they say if the KINGS win this one?
23 Feb 2013, 20:32 pm
@nortierd-155:
Ek sien so, net jammer oor die wedstryd
23 Feb 2013, 20:32 pm
Petersen just fckd this pseudo fckface guppy yuppie 2 face loser leeuser piece of shy te creep in his pseudo fckup guppy yuppie punky face.
Perfect up yours to the 2 face punky creeps.
23 Feb 2013, 20:33 pm
We’ll say that we demand a recount.
23 Feb 2013, 20:33 pm
@Predawn-207:
NO…..just Kaaak
23 Feb 2013, 20:34 pm
Vatso naaiers
23 Feb 2013, 20:34 pm
@victoriabok-209:
Meeste sal die een verkeerde he.
Kings oortref hulle self, Force nie te goed nie.
Kings sal verdien om die een te wen
23 Feb 2013, 20:35 pm
One does have to wonder. The Force have gotta be really really bad this year. The Kings weren’t able to win their relegation game to make the Currie Cup and yet, they are pulling their weight against the Force. It would’ve been really nice to have a relegation game against the Lions though, to at least to have had the opportunity to have proved their inclusion. If they continue like this, they really shouldn’t be scared of a relegation game against the Lions. Much respect to the players, but none offered to the Watsons thankyou.
23 Feb 2013, 20:36 pm
Michelack is costing the French big time.
What a plod
23 Feb 2013, 20:36 pm
@MGvR-194:
Help jy nou apartheid broeder?
Waar het ek daardie punt gemaak met my woorde.
As jy kan lees en verstaan het ek sy punt oor die skare aangepak.
Nou sal jy ook maar net mooi f o k kof?
23 Feb 2013, 20:36 pm
I wish they would go back to neutral refs
23 Feb 2013, 20:36 pm
Lowrens vd Cheater.
23 Feb 2013, 20:37 pm
Come France only a 4 point game do it for the revolution.
Come Kings a win here is worth a thousand Fck Youse to the 2 face apartheid wishing stuck in their antique decrepit loathing last bastion precocious pricks
23 Feb 2013, 20:37 pm
Ref getting a Landy after this?
Or maybe a handy.
23 Feb 2013, 20:37 pm
“SWING LOW SWEET CHARRIOT”
23 Feb 2013, 20:37 pm
Calm down folks. All this is proving is that the Griquas Vodacom Cup team would beat the Force.
The Force are simply kakker than anyone believed possible. And Lourens van der Merwe more thick skinned than anyone believed possible.
23 Feb 2013, 20:37 pm
Naaiers..something Dawn hasn’t experienced since video machines were discontinued.
23 Feb 2013, 20:38 pm
@ 213 Dawn
So bek moet jêm kry
23 Feb 2013, 20:38 pm
@skopdiekan-220:
10 points, not 4 anymore.
Freddie the English man of the match
23 Feb 2013, 20:39 pm
This time next week I will be flying out to Cape Town….
Life is sweet!
23 Feb 2013, 20:39 pm
Poodlefuvker and Gobshyte in full fling. People against the Kings must obviously be racist against this all black team
23 Feb 2013, 20:39 pm
Jeez… aren’t we friendly in this place. Nice to meet you too.
23 Feb 2013, 20:40 pm
And that’s all I’m saying
23 Feb 2013, 20:40 pm
The No19 is the type of replacement a lot of teams would like to have
23 Feb 2013, 20:40 pm
@carol-227:
Nice
You must enjoy.
23 Feb 2013, 20:40 pm
Force players will all leave South Africa in their own private jets…sponsored by Sheeke’.
23 Feb 2013, 20:40 pm
My sincere apologies, Kings.
No more dissing from me.
VERY WELL DONE OKES!
23 Feb 2013, 20:41 pm
@Dawn-230:
Lol
Enough said
23 Feb 2013, 20:41 pm
Woah the Force are kak
23 Feb 2013, 20:41 pm
If the scoreline stays like this the Kings will go top of the SA conference after 1 round.
23 Feb 2013, 20:41 pm
@Tacitus-223: it is a sad indictment on convict rugby.
23 Feb 2013, 20:41 pm
@Dawn-213:
Nou stem ek saam met jou en dit sal nou donderweer by jou wees
23 Feb 2013, 20:42 pm
@Dawn-213:
23 Feb 2013, 20:42 pm
This doesn’t exactly look like the same team who lost to the Cheetahs in the relegation games… Not even remotely…
23 Feb 2013, 20:42 pm
good on Matt Sexton….nice bloke
23 Feb 2013, 20:42 pm
Sounds like the Aussies are even worse than last year – this is going to be fun
23 Feb 2013, 20:43 pm
South African rugby fans are so friendly. Not even a “hallo, welcome”. Wow!
23 Feb 2013, 20:43 pm
Good lord these shackledraggers are uber kak
23 Feb 2013, 20:43 pm
Idiot French
10 behind and still try to score in injury time.
I have them by 9, so 10 will do.
23 Feb 2013, 20:44 pm
@stormersboy-237:
As I predicted…hehe
23 Feb 2013, 20:45 pm
Who needs a valueless Currie Cup trophy when you can get a historic first ever win in the S15 at your very first asking?
When last has one seen such passion, motivation and commiotment from a S.African side?
23 Feb 2013, 20:45 pm
@nortierd-214:
Hulle het die Lions uitgehaal omdat hulle swak was, wat van die Force?
Ek’s seker die Kiwis kan eerder nog ‘n span insit wat beter as die Force sal wees
23 Feb 2013, 20:45 pm
@Te Rangatira-247: You predicted they would go top of the SA conference?
Hold on, give me six random numbers between 0 and 50. I’m off to buy a lotto ticket….
23 Feb 2013, 20:45 pm
Please one more score, Kings, to be …. ahem … the leaders of the SA conference.
Bwahahaha….
23 Feb 2013, 20:46 pm
Or the forxe is k@k or Kings are trying to prove a point, either way well done so far hope they can stick it thru
23 Feb 2013, 20:46 pm
Who’s this Engelbrecht guy playing flank.
23 Feb 2013, 20:46 pm
@ET.-248:
Great win by the Kings
I didn’t expect it, but I am glad for them
23 Feb 2013, 20:46 pm
@ET.-248:
Reality check coming March 9
23 Feb 2013, 20:46 pm
South African side with a dozen foreign players. Lets all high five for local player development.
23 Feb 2013, 20:47 pm
Never before has a team of honorary blacks brought such glory on themselves
Brings a tear to the eye.
23 Feb 2013, 20:47 pm
Why does the ref refer to the Force as “blue” when they outfit is predominantly white?
23 Feb 2013, 20:47 pm
@Tacitus-223:
I would have thought it proved, teams can lift on the big occasions…have a heart Tac…..
23 Feb 2013, 20:48 pm
@Jeraldjay-253:
Didn’t he play for the Bulls or Griquas?
23 Feb 2013, 20:48 pm
Don’t know why St Andre selects that useless Gupta guppy yuppie reject Sharkishit mercenary Michalak. He wouldn’t have lost to Italy or Wales or England if he’d left that useless Sharkishits reject in the lazy last bastion banana ramping plantation.
23 Feb 2013, 20:48 pm
Well I’m convinced, voted Kings in the current poll
23 Feb 2013, 20:49 pm
@stormersboy-250: Hi SB, and we’ll be at the bottom!! We’ll hear about that a lot during the following week!
23 Feb 2013, 20:49 pm
Suurgat galbekke
23 Feb 2013, 20:49 pm
@Predawn-256:
Trassie gaan homself in ‘n koma in skommel vir die volgende twee weke oor hierdie wen
23 Feb 2013, 20:49 pm
en wat se die suurgatte nou?
discipline, defence and good basic ball skills, as well as strong runners and good offloads. Solomons influence is showing.
they are going to win this.
and they will cause a LOT of red faces this season.
23 Feb 2013, 20:49 pm
@Te Rangatira-259:
Listen to TR everybody
He speaks with authority.
Being nr. 1 in the Keo pool gives credence to one’s voice
23 Feb 2013, 20:49 pm
Hey! Arseh o l e s!
23 Feb 2013, 20:50 pm
@ 253 jjay
Not entirely sure but I think he played for SWD for a season or 2 before joining EP…he’s having a very good game so far isn’t he?
23 Feb 2013, 20:50 pm
@skopdiekan-261: The substitutions lost them that match
23 Feb 2013, 20:50 pm
Kings already better than the 2012 Lions.
Suck on that haters!!!!!
23 Feb 2013, 20:50 pm
Well done KIngs, showed big heart, yes we can say Force was KAK, but you can only play whats in front of you.
Congrats.
23 Feb 2013, 20:51 pm
@stormersboy-250:
YEP….I’m on a roll….all comes down to the analysis and buying the right tea leaves…
23 Feb 2013, 20:51 pm
@CharlesM-263:
Will you be below the Cheetahs?
23 Feb 2013, 20:51 pm
@skopdiekan-261:
Ha ha
Brilliant
23 Feb 2013, 20:51 pm
Well done Brumbies, Sharks, Bulls…sorry France.
23 Feb 2013, 20:51 pm
@skopdiekan-261: Oh, I don’t know – perhaps because he was man of the match in all of France’s Autumn Tests, including the one in which they thumped Australia?
23 Feb 2013, 20:52 pm
@Rage-269: Yes I think you are correct
23 Feb 2013, 20:52 pm
I had the wrong team by 12
23 Feb 2013, 20:53 pm
@nortierd-279:
Same here
23 Feb 2013, 20:54 pm
The Force would get beaten by most Vodacom sides
23 Feb 2013, 20:54 pm
#265….and still no one listens to a single illiterate word it spews.
23 Feb 2013, 20:54 pm
@CharlesM-263: Indeed. That will be bandied about quite a bit i expect. Some tough calls for AC this week. He has to think long and hard about a few positions, 2, 10 and 15 particularly.
23 Feb 2013, 20:54 pm
SP Marais, Sergeal Petersen, Jacques Engelbrecht, Steven Sykes take a bow!!! Honourable mention for Ronnie Cooke, Demeri and Wimpie vd Walt…
23 Feb 2013, 20:54 pm
Good stuff Kings, they need to build some depth, long road ahead.
Force not the same without Pocock.
23 Feb 2013, 20:54 pm
The Kings proved me wrong today, didn’t think they would win, so well done Kings and well done Kings supporters.
You deserve this one
23 Feb 2013, 20:55 pm
@victoriabok-274: Yes the Cheetahs got a bonus point
23 Feb 2013, 20:55 pm
@Rage-269:
Its between Engelbrecht and Maku for man of the match.
23 Feb 2013, 20:56 pm
Sykes has put his heart and soul into this Kings fairytale adventure unlike the rest of his pseudo apartheid loving garbage Sharkishits snake eyed last bastion lousy leeuser lout profiteers.
23 Feb 2013, 20:56 pm
@victoriabok-274: Cheetahs got a bonus point.
23 Feb 2013, 20:56 pm
Well done the Kings. I questioned their state of readiness for Super Rugby. Even though it was only the Force. But a win is a win.
23 Feb 2013, 20:56 pm
Great commitment by the Kings
23 Feb 2013, 20:56 pm
@nortierd-286: Well said, Kings fans should be pleased
23 Feb 2013, 20:57 pm
Lovely.
This king side will beat the stormers
23 Feb 2013, 20:57 pm
WoW!!
Fantastic Kings!!
Great stuff, the Baai is going to cook tonight.
23 Feb 2013, 20:57 pm
Well done Kings.
A well deserved victory over the pathetic Force.
23 Feb 2013, 20:58 pm
The Kings just showed a middle finger to 90% of my fellow keolings…kry vi julle kerels…Well done Kings.
Transie and all other fans, enjoy and get properly wasted…this might be the first and last victory you get to celebrate:)
23 Feb 2013, 20:58 pm
Embarrassing performance by Force. This will so wonders for the queens’ confidence.
For a while.
23 Feb 2013, 20:58 pm
Huge performances by Steven Sykes, Jacques Engelbrecht, Sergeal Peterson & SP Marais
Wonderful day!!! WOW
**
100-plus scores? WATWOU! WAT NOU!
23 Feb 2013, 20:58 pm
Gutsy defense and a marvelous victory for for the red and black hoops.
23 Feb 2013, 20:58 pm
I can just picture Keo cracking those knuckles and getting ready to lay into most of us non believers.
23 Feb 2013, 20:58 pm
@Predawn-276: You forgot to congratulate SA conference leaders The Kings
23 Feb 2013, 20:58 pm
Well done to the Kings. One of the record books.
23 Feb 2013, 20:59 pm
fu-k you haters you *****-es
23 Feb 2013, 20:59 pm
****** history!!!! Kings!!!!!!!!!!!! Nuwe helde is gebore.Sergeal,Engelbrecht en vele meer!!!Ons gaan party like there’s no tomorrow .Up the Kings!!
23 Feb 2013, 20:59 pm
Umm, so that leaves Stormers bottom of the SA conference?
Stormers like bottom …
23 Feb 2013, 21:00 pm
These men are not Kings, they’re Bravehearts!
23 Feb 2013, 21:00 pm
Well done to the Kings. Already won more games than the Lions used to win in an entire season;-)
23 Feb 2013, 21:00 pm
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ooooooooooooosh
23 Feb 2013, 21:00 pm
@Angostura-299:
Totally agree with you with those choices. All you named impressed me especially Sykes, Marais, Peterson and Sampson and Watson when he played.
23 Feb 2013, 21:00 pm
Transie uphi?
23 Feb 2013, 21:00 pm
well done lads! so happy that we have some decent rugby in the EC again…
23 Feb 2013, 21:00 pm
@nortierd-301: Wait for it.
Power to them though.
23 Feb 2013, 21:00 pm
@stormersboy-283: Definitely yes!! I’m obviously concerned about Elton but Taute wasn’t good either. He’ll have to consider Bezuidenhout IMO. Fourie needs to be considered as flank. I’ll pick him and Kolisi at flank and move Elstadt to 4 – but that’s my view only
By the way – well done Kings!!
Well done keo – this time you made the correct call(s)!!
23 Feb 2013, 21:01 pm
Congrats Kings and Kings fans
23 Feb 2013, 21:01 pm
Jaco Engels comes on and concedes a tight head
23 Feb 2013, 21:01 pm
also the Kings now have a much better Super Rugby win ratio than the Lions.
8 points after 1 game. best start by any Super Rugby franchise ever.
but my Bulls are going to munch you.
23 Feb 2013, 21:01 pm
O fok the sokkies are gonna go off in PE tonight.
ABBA gonna rock till dawn.
23 Feb 2013, 21:02 pm
for what its worth Steven Sykes is the same guy who was wrongly accused by Brian Mujati of calling him a bobbejaan.
now he plays for the Kings
life is a funny old thing
23 Feb 2013, 21:02 pm
well done the Kings. am sure Transie is over the moon. Am in shock at how the Kings are top of the conference LMAO
23 Feb 2013, 21:02 pm
well done Kings
23 Feb 2013, 21:02 pm
what happened to the Kings getting klapped?????
23 Feb 2013, 21:03 pm
Thank you Alan Solomons and the boys!!
23 Feb 2013, 21:03 pm
Kings have more supporters, passion and wins in 1 match than the Lions in an entire season
BEAUTIFULLLLLL
23 Feb 2013, 21:03 pm
I haven’t watched this game yet, but congratulations to the Kings – I gave them no chance at all of winning. I still doubt they will win another game, but enjoy this one. I’m glad that Puke wasn’t on the field for most of it.
23 Feb 2013, 21:03 pm
@nortierd-301: At this point you can balance a cheeseburger on the tip of his boner
23 Feb 2013, 21:04 pm
Ooooh, the bitterbekke/ bittereinders are fuming! Well done Kings, phansi lions!
23 Feb 2013, 21:04 pm
Congrats, SA conference leaders, very well done.
Stormers last to play Lions now.
23 Feb 2013, 21:04 pm
sadly the fairytale wont last
enjoy the moment
23 Feb 2013, 21:04 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-319: It was not Sykes.
23 Feb 2013, 21:04 pm
Outstanding win, I think it’s a one off, but v good.
23 Feb 2013, 21:05 pm
@kaksioek-325: Touche
23 Feb 2013, 21:05 pm
It is with GREAT pleasure and more than a little pride that I congratulate the Kings and their fans.
Not only did these men save my Superbru after the Cheetahs and Stormers fuckeditup, but they have burped in the faces of the haters
There is nothing on this planet that could give me more pleasure than knowing so many are at this very moment so unhappy, bitter and plainfuckingmiserable
(Mostly guppies it must be added…..)
Now, let’s applaud the SA conference leaders…..
Fantastic stuff. Solomons, Kiwi boys and players – take a bow (and a hugemotherfuckingswipe at the dikbekke.
23 Feb 2013, 21:05 pm
Well done Kings. An inspiration for all the young schoolboys in the region. To all those haters out there…..get over it and move on. Or emigrate.
23 Feb 2013, 21:05 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-326:
Surely only a slider and not a Big Mac
23 Feb 2013, 21:06 pm
have not enjoyed an win as much in several seasons
and sergeal, such an excited young man
love it
23 Feb 2013, 21:06 pm
Right now, the Kings the only S15 franchise with a 100% win record
23 Feb 2013, 21:06 pm
Well, no grandslam points for anyone in Superbru this round
23 Feb 2013, 21:06 pm
Well done Sergeal!
23 Feb 2013, 21:06 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-330: he accused both Sykes and Heinke
23 Feb 2013, 21:08 pm
@Thucydides-308: And the Bulls !! Lets not forget also player number 16 today ie the crowd !! What passion , what a crowd !! What a vibe !!
Amazing when you think that MOTH was in school just 3 months ago. Thats the talent they talking about !!! All hail the Kings !!! I am so happy now !!!!!!
PS – For the haters – julle weet mos.
23 Feb 2013, 21:08 pm
Well done Kings.
Well played.
Enjoy tonight…… but please keep things in perspective.
The Force team is rubbish.
Love that stadium and good turn out. Well done.
23 Feb 2013, 21:08 pm
in the first 5 minutes i thought they have a shot, by the way they were defending and organising themselves.
23 Feb 2013, 21:08 pm
@Dilligafrican-340: Yes you’re right!
23 Feb 2013, 21:09 pm
@XV-334: should those haters who hate the sharks, bulls or Stormers also emigrate?
23 Feb 2013, 21:09 pm
The perfect conference standing come the play offs would be
Stormers
Kings
Cheetahs
Sharks
Bulls
Oooooosh
23 Feb 2013, 21:09 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-330:
yes, it was.
23 Feb 2013, 21:09 pm
@ 327 slappes + 333 pedigree
Hear hear
23 Feb 2013, 21:09 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-333: hahait’ssohilariousthewayyouleaveoutallthespacestoobadaboutyourstormersthoughtheycouldn’tbeatanegg
23 Feb 2013, 21:09 pm
Engelbrecht !Nog n braveheart beter as Spies.
23 Feb 2013, 21:10 pm
@CharlesM-314: Yes that’s not a bad call, especially on the Elstadt call. Steenkamp just doesn’t do it for me, and you need a deck player against Botes who is looking sharp.
I’d play Elton at 10 but put Joe in at 15. Taute on the bench.
23 Feb 2013, 21:10 pm
@Tuna-342: Well said!
23 Feb 2013, 21:11 pm
pedigree is dog popo-333:
You saving some face (what little is left) by ‘gatkruiping’ again?
‘Pis liewer in daai gatlappertjies wat jy draai en daarna kan jy jouself drrog mmak’
23 Feb 2013, 21:11 pm
@kaksioek-349:
23 Feb 2013, 21:11 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-333: Ialsothinkit’sawesomethatyounamedyourselfaftertheteamyoudespisesomuch#
23 Feb 2013, 21:11 pm
@Fern-3: hindsight is a b*****
23 Feb 2013, 21:12 pm
@ET.-353: Hi ET congrats on your team, dude, they showed a lot of heart!
23 Feb 2013, 21:12 pm
Congrats kings, what a great second halve. Marais, sergeal and engelbrecht really impressed me.
And denying the force a bonus point made my night.
23 Feb 2013, 21:12 pm
dont even bother with the haters
the hate runs deep and we all know the real reasons
simpy f*ck em
surround yourself with those who believe in what is and what can be
both sport and country
savour this lovely moment
23 Feb 2013, 21:12 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-347: was it not Sykes that had desires on becoming a paddy.
23 Feb 2013, 21:13 pm
@kaksioek-349: Stormers loss or not…(expected and predicted sadly…)
Come end of the season, there will still be more gold plating in the teeth of guppie fans (or around Tyrone’s neck), than there will be in the guppie trophy cabinet…. Kaching.
23 Feb 2013, 21:14 pm
China Bell must be smiling
23 Feb 2013, 21:14 pm
They not a bad side but need more depth upfront – solomons is sharp as – engelbrecht and the outside backs look v good
23 Feb 2013, 21:14 pm
@fantasticbarnsmell-338:
Ah…No…I’m 8 from 8
23 Feb 2013, 21:15 pm
Kings have done better in their debut season after just ONE game than the entire might of the bully breker Bulls of 1999, 2000 or 2002 or the johnny come lately last bastion long lost losing Sharks of 2000 or 2005 or the useless perennial lost up their own decrepit arsehole leeuser Lions of 2002, 2004, 2005 and 2010
showing all those two face decrepit apartheid wishing woesies of the last bastion guppy yuppie degeneracy the way home.
Viva Kings.. Viva Luke .. Viva Cheeky.. Viva Solomons.. Viva Transformation..
Viva Ananzi.. Viva SA.. Viva EP rugby. Viva !!
23 Feb 2013, 21:15 pm
One more thing.
This Louwrens Van Der Merwe chop is going to cost teams games this year.
Fcking poor all round.
23 Feb 2013, 21:15 pm
Where is Transie?
He must be dancing in the streets right now
23 Feb 2013, 21:16 pm
Watson was colossal tonight.Pity about the injury .Great player and great leader .The Kings Army marches on!!!
23 Feb 2013, 21:16 pm
Kings
Bulls
Sharks
Cheetahs
Stormers
Standing in SA conference
23 Feb 2013, 21:16 pm
35k fans at NM stadium, well done PE! Lions take note…. Bwahahaha
23 Feb 2013, 21:17 pm
@skopdiekan-365: at the end of the season they will follow your log bottom dwellers as the only teams to be relegated.
23 Feb 2013, 21:17 pm
@RL-360:
its speculation but i think the false racism allegations ruined his contract with Leinster because they let him go soon after even though he was exhonerated in the investigation. i suppose they did not want the bad publicity.
this put paid to any ideas of playing for the Irish.
23 Feb 2013, 21:17 pm
@China Bell-362: True
23 Feb 2013, 21:17 pm
@ET.-353: Fuckoffracisttwat.
I have been in the Kings corner for quite a while….for the right reasons.
You on the other hand are in their corner for all the wrong reasons….see?
Now switch back to Neilanate.
(PS: I find it sad that you don’t seem to see that most of the fellas who buttcracks you lick round here, hate the Kings…but that’s ok with you of course…fuckinginterwebrefugee)
23 Feb 2013, 21:17 pm
@stormersboy-351: Yes with Joe P there we’ll have at least another reliable goal kicker if Elton has another bad night.
I’ve said it numerous times that I don’t rate De Kock at all!
I guess the biggest call will be at 2! We know that Deon wants to play hooker but AC & co will have to do some serious thinking: we simply can’t afford so many shy te lineouts !!
Any idea when Tiaan will be ready ?
23 Feb 2013, 21:17 pm
@Te Rangatira-364:
Congrats. You’ve had a kickass start to bru.
23 Feb 2013, 21:18 pm
Btw Lions en Bulls..
Julle kan julle f@kken record hou!!!!!
23 Feb 2013, 21:18 pm
Sergeal MOM.
He probably get some punani tonight.
23 Feb 2013, 21:18 pm
@cosca-368:
He had a huge impact when he was on.
Congrats, you were so excited before kick off, you must be smiling from ear to ear
23 Feb 2013, 21:19 pm
watch Kings fck up Jake Whites Brumbies.. just to set the record in true perspective.. that will be the day of ultra lekker reckoning.. watch net en huil…
23 Feb 2013, 21:19 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-361: we’lljusthavetowaitandseeaboutthat
butIwagerthatnextweektherewillbemorehumblepieinthemouthsofstormersfanslikeyouandthatwillbeabeautifulthing#
23 Feb 2013, 21:19 pm
Just read through some comments again now and after months of debate and arguing the results speak for themselves !! I am happy to say to all the haters go fark yourselves lol
23 Feb 2013, 21:21 pm
@Tuna-366: Agree on that. Kings can consider themselves lucky a few times in the game.
23 Feb 2013, 21:21 pm
Battle of the number 10′s down to two.
Steyn
Lambie
Distance
Goosen
Katrakillis
Jantjies
23 Feb 2013, 21:21 pm
@kaksioek-381:
185.kaksioek said:
23 Feb 2013, 18:49 pm
Time for the Kings – hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Are you still laughing??
23 Feb 2013, 21:22 pm
All teams that play genuine, real, passionate, motivated, committed, skillful and running rugby are mine e.g. Reds, Blues, Chiefs, ‘Saders, Kings, ABs, Wallabies, Wales(of old) etc.
That is what William Webb Ellis wanted all those years ago.
‘Domkrag’ never existed then and was born in ‘verkrampte’ S.African areas much to my utter disgust..
23 Feb 2013, 21:22 pm
@ET.-353: Trying afrikaans again tietkop?
23 Feb 2013, 21:22 pm
@Dilligafrican-371: they vcannot do worse than Lions of 2010 or Bulls of 2002 or Sharks of 2000
They have ALREADY surpassed those mammoth fckup achievements already in their FIRST Debut Game..!!
Suck it up loser.. your wishful thinking 100 points klap didn’t materialize.. not even close…
Dumb f’ng loser is all you are go circle your ox wagons because the true test of SA courage is on the horizon whether you ready to accept it or not…
23 Feb 2013, 21:23 pm
@Mr Black-384:
After round one, spot on.
Maybe Katrakillis over Goosen, but the top 2 is undisputed.
23 Feb 2013, 21:23 pm
@CharlesM-375: As we were saying the other day, something has to give….and fast. When I said the other day that we have to find someone else to throw in for now? I’m guessing we’re going to have to do that until Tiaan is back.
What else is there to do?
We knew before the game this shytewasgonnabereal, and that nothing would have changed. The overthrow to Spies that had so many is shock, when we were 5 metres out? Those I was watching with, were cheering when the lineout set. I told them to expect a fuckup and I put my head in my hands (because that is what I do when he throws….)
Voila…
23 Feb 2013, 21:25 pm
Brumbies will eat them alive.
Kings done v well tonight but it’s the perfect oppo first up.
23 Feb 2013, 21:26 pm
@Robzim-385: Sure, why not? A South African team with an ex-Shark in it defeated an Aussie team – what’s not to like?
It doesn’t change the fact that the Kings are a Lucky Packet team run by a scumbag blackmail artist and captained by his odorous son, who he previously strong-armed into the national rugby team. But they will get what is coming to them.
23 Feb 2013, 21:26 pm
@kaksioek-381: If you can’t win your home games (that’s you fellas next week) you’refucked.
Home teams are usually faves…no?
And as both of our teams saw last year – it doesn’t always work out that way….
23 Feb 2013, 21:27 pm
@nortierd-389:
And Fulbacks
Marais
Daniller
Krusty
Ludick
Taute
23 Feb 2013, 21:28 pm
The reality is, we face the Sharks away and the Chiefs after that, so odds are we will be 0 from 3, the Kings already have 4 and another 4 next week.
It’s going to be a loooong season
23 Feb 2013, 21:29 pm
@Mr Black-394:
Yep, you are being generous to Taute even having him in the top 5
23 Feb 2013, 21:29 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-390:
AC will start with him again against the sharks and he WILL fark the lineuts up again.
AC is a nice guy and good coach but his dowfall is that he is too loyal to certain players…… Duvenhage… Grant…… and the worst of them all…. Deon (as hooker)
I did not even close my eyes when he missed the 4th one- I switched to the Cobras cricket match in the Paarl.
23 Feb 2013, 21:30 pm
@nortierd-379: He was magnificent ! Daar gaan maar min geslaap word vanaand jong!Ek is moers toe bly.Thanks for the congratulations…you are a true gentleman .
23 Feb 2013, 21:31 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-390: Yes – I’m not going to repeat what I’ve said but a hooker needs to be able to do the basics well. One essential aspect of that is to throw the ball in properly!
I know you want “us” to the think out of the box – but my views were expressed above with Deon and Siya as flanks etc
But like SBoy said the other day – we are only former members of the front row – what do we know ? (tongue in cheek)
23 Feb 2013, 21:31 pm
I managed the grand total of 2,5 points in 7 games on Superbru
Not my finest weekend of rugby
23 Feb 2013, 21:32 pm
@kaksioek-392:
It must be hard to go through life with so much bitterness and hatred as u seem to have.
Anyway, different strokes for different folks .. so be my guest.
23 Feb 2013, 21:32 pm
Anyway, it is just fantastic to see one of the original SA rugby powerhouses taking it’s rightful place in rugby once more.
It’s sad that another traditional region got the boot, as it would be poetic and right for the traditional and historical Saffa powerhouses: Transvaal, NTVL, EP, WP, OFS to compete……
Have a good evening all.
23 Feb 2013, 21:32 pm
check how stormers like robzim, skopishit and ruck are all on the Kings bandwagon now that their own team lost. Anything to feel and talk like a winner huh
On tonight’s performance the Stormers have to be very worried about potentially being relegated this year….
23 Feb 2013, 21:33 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-402: “one of the original SA rugby powerhouses”
Has EP ever won the Currie Cup, even when they were “one of the original SA rugby powerhouses”?
23 Feb 2013, 21:34 pm
@cosca-398:
Ek het die bleddie verkeerde span met 12 gekies
Die verloor teen Griekwas het my heeltemal laat twyfel en ek het hulle span en veggees totaal onderskat.
Maar dit was nice om te sien en ek is nie spyt dat ek verkeerd was nie.
23 Feb 2013, 21:35 pm
@ShaunB-403: Always been on their bandwagon…
They are a traditional SA rugby powerhouse…One of the big 5.
The guppies are not.
Do you spit or swallow?
Now I really have to go.
23 Feb 2013, 21:35 pm
@Robzim-401: jalikepeoplewhoputthenamesofrivalteamsintheirnames
I see what you mean
23 Feb 2013, 21:36 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-402:
Suurgat
23 Feb 2013, 21:36 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-406: so what do you have to do to qualify as a “powerhouse”?
You didn’t answer the question part.
23 Feb 2013, 21:37 pm
Well done Kings! You showed heart & guts & played great after losing the “inspirational” Watson.
Even if you lost tonight you would have had my admiration.
Well done!
23 Feb 2013, 21:37 pm
@ShaunB-404: When the guppies were playing social league…..and being served cucumber treats at half time?
2nd Division for 100 years………. ####justsaying#####
23 Feb 2013, 21:37 pm
@Mr Black-384:
less distance between the top two and the bottom three than you make out and certainly add Cronje to the list, agreed though.
23 Feb 2013, 21:38 pm
were WP/Stormers a “powerhouse” between 2001 and last year, by your definition?
23 Feb 2013, 21:38 pm
As for the lions, they won the S10 I’m their second season – they’ve also won a several currie cups – their history dwarfs that of ep rugby who have never won a currie cup , not ever.
The kings should be there because its good for SA rugby with their non- white player base, but as a rugby playing region they have absolutely no claim to speak of , none. Go look through the history, there’s over 100 years of it with ep being one of the longest.
23 Feb 2013, 21:38 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-402:
i see what you did there… naughty Pedi…
23 Feb 2013, 21:39 pm
@LouArth-410: Inspirational my gat. The fact he was not on the field probably won them the game
23 Feb 2013, 21:40 pm
Yes, it’s going to be fun watching the Stormers lose again – but only because of their “fans” on this website. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch of people.
23 Feb 2013, 21:43 pm
@kaksioek-417: agreed. The Stormer fans on this site really bring it upon themselves.
23 Feb 2013, 21:45 pm
@Rage-258: Because what part of “Whites” may not even be mentioned as being remotely near a majority don’t you understand? It’s all part of the “Transformation” process…you silly man, you.
#wakeywakey
23 Feb 2013, 21:46 pm
I wonder when HG will show up?? lol
23 Feb 2013, 21:46 pm
Worst SA team beat worst Aussie team. Take it for what it truly is. Battle of the wooden spooners.
23 Feb 2013, 21:48 pm
@ShaunB-413: A traditional powerhouse…..the history, the very flesh out of what SA rugby was born.
And the guppies did not contribute so much as a sperm cell for 100 years…….
It’s like cars….
See the other unions as Rolls Royce Phantoms…..and the guppies as a Tata Indica. (20 years old for all intents and purposes) Very flashy for some, and well marketed, reasonable price…..but when you tap the door it falls off, due to a lack of substance and after sales service?)
Yes, you get it
@kaksioek-417: Stop blaming the Stormer fans…. be brave and just say you hate the Stormers, simples dimples xxxxxxx
Now really have to run. ***throws kisses to her fanboys as she leaves***
23 Feb 2013, 21:48 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-402: The bloggers you mention have been supportive of the Kings for a very long time.
23 Feb 2013, 21:51 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-422: It’s not true though – I don’t. Why would I hate another SA team. I’m not like you.
23 Feb 2013, 21:52 pm
@ShaunB-403: sorry, post 423 meant not for Ms Pedi, but ShaunB:
The bloggers you mention have been supportive of the Kings for a very long time.
23 Feb 2013, 21:54 pm
@Angrystura-425: yes Angrystura…..and is there another glaring reason perhaps why they are overcompensating with fake Kings love this weekend?
23 Feb 2013, 21:56 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-422: funny how that small, historically insignificant and unfavoured rugby union features in your blogging name. They own you. Admit it, you hate the Sharks
23 Feb 2013, 21:56 pm
@ShaunB-426: nothing fake about it, bru, they’re just decent, patriotic folk
23 Feb 2013, 21:57 pm
@Angrystura-428: and their “patriotism” and “decency” extends to the Sharks no doubt? yeah right…..
23 Feb 2013, 22:00 pm
@cosca-305: And don’t forget to take Mrs Palm & her five daughters with you to your party.
@cocsac
23 Feb 2013, 22:02 pm
yes, it does – there’s a difference between banter between opponents, & over the top hatred …
23 Feb 2013, 22:05 pm
@ShaunB-426:
Shaun, we lost.
our team played poor and the Bulls weren’t exactly the Champions of 2007, but they did enough and were deserved winners.
I for one expect, on this weeks showing, that we will lose to the Sharks next week and be thumped by the Chiefs in week 3.
I doubt the Stormers are King supporters, but this was a very important match for SA rugby fans.
I enjoyed their win even if I didn’t pick it, it was worth dropping another point.
It seems like the Stormers loss overshadows your own team winning. Rejoice in both, and next week if you beat us, rejoice in your teams win and not in our loss.
It’s a long season ahead, no team will win every week, so remember, at some stage the Sharks will also lose.
Anyway, this is not a dig or basis for an argument, just a comment from my side.
Congrats on your win, congrats on our loss, and I still disagree that we will end 13th, but only time will tell.
23 Feb 2013, 22:07 pm
Anyway, Sharks & Kings won, & I’m over the moon
I’m out – not going to let a few “egg on the face” haters spoil my happy mood
Let ‘em luxuriate in their misery of their own making
Ciao all
23 Feb 2013, 22:09 pm
@Angostura-337: Excuse me?
23 Feb 2013, 22:11 pm
@nortierd-432: I am VERY happy that the Bulls beat the Stormers! A few seasons ago I wouldn’t have cared a jot but the Stormers fans on this site have helped me with that!
I am even MORE happy that the Sharks won. It was expected though.
Life is good
@Angrystura-433: don’t forget your coat on the way out. Are you sure you really support the Sharks? You seem to be awfully friendly with the spitting Stormers on here…
23 Feb 2013, 22:12 pm
@Angostura-431: You and Rye seem to be the only Natalians who get it
Little wonder I wish the 2 of you were Stormer fans 
Have a great evening good sir.
(And you lot; Shauney, Kasioekey, Tyrone and co. You know I have deep feelings for you fellas….)
23 Feb 2013, 22:15 pm
@ShaunB-435:
That’s all good.
But it’s a two way street as well.
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Obviously there is a big history between the fans, but to honest with you, neither the Stormers or the Sharks fans have ANY bragging rights in the Super Rugby.
That honor is strictly reserved for the Bull supporters.
Both our teams are equally useless regarding bringing home the trophy.
23 Feb 2013, 22:17 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-436: youkeepthreateningtoleave
justdoit#nike#
23 Feb 2013, 22:19 pm
@nortierd-437: “neither the Stormers or the Sharks fans have ANY bragging rights in the Super Rugby.
Both our teams are equally useless regarding bringing home the trophy.”
Rubbish.
The two teams can still compare their records.
And the Sharks have a better record of reaching play off matches. The Sharks have a FAR better Super rugby pedigree. The best team in the competition never to have won it
23 Feb 2013, 22:19 pm
whydoesshekeeptalkinglikethis?
23 Feb 2013, 22:20 pm
@skopdiekan-365: Hic?
23 Feb 2013, 22:20 pm
Had Kings by chance have LOST this encounter the scumarse pieces of last bastion apartheid reveling filth would have been in here laughing their sordid little last bastion fckface arses off…
Its a true reflection on where these two face conniving cn’ts actually display their deriding disaffection…
Isn’t it a clear indication of who is at the forefront of the Kings anti sentiments.. its all these feeble last bastion fuckwits like ShaunB and his ilk of Sharkshit scum who love to hate the Watsons and the Kings and everything and anything that goes toward a true courageous revival of true South African spirit of enterprise in revival and overcoming adversity..
Kings outplayed the Force and won deservedly in spite of the fuckup excuses of cowardly pompous feces such as all those last bastion white is right punks from Sharkshit country’s denigration and desperate wishes..
They were hoping to revel in Kings ominous loss… little did they realize that Cheeky, Luke, Alan Solomons, Sykes, Engelbrecht, Petersen, the full back, the No.8, Maku, and the rest of the team and the people of EP weren’t really listening…
Go soak your patheti sharkshit anti sentiments up your sordid black-white arses… you pompous pissarse pricks are not nearly as perfect as you think you are you lowlife degenerate irreconcilable sharkshit trash…..
will be a nice little wide awake call if EP Kings and WP Stormers give you overrated guppies a little lesson in recuperating ego realignment… won’t it just.
23 Feb 2013, 22:20 pm
Absolutely brilliant, I thoroughly enjoyed the Kings win, the fact it was historic just provides that measure of heightened pleasure. In consideration of keo followers who are simply racist, it’s a win that you didn’t see but to substantiate my credibility I did pick them for a win on superbru. There’s no better happiness than seeing the racially prejudiced group on keo looking for excuses when their own picked Pietersen for Man of The Match, it’s purely bliss. Feel It.
23 Feb 2013, 22:20 pm
The Sharks and Stormers are not “equally useless” at bringing home the trophy. 4 finals to 1 is a huge difference in uselessness
23 Feb 2013, 22:21 pm
@ShaunB-439:
And the Sharks have a better record of reaching play off matches. The Sharks have a FAR better Super rugby pedigree. The best team in the competition never to have won it
Well done
You should have had it in 2007, deserved that one
23 Feb 2013, 22:22 pm
@mpundulu-443: do you also tilt at windmills?
It’s hard to pick against your team on the bru. What will you do for the next game though
23 Feb 2013, 22:22 pm
The Sharks have been runners-up four times, the Stormers only once. Not quite on level footing really, are they?
23 Feb 2013, 22:22 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-441: another fckface that was hoping and praying with bated clenched teeth to sink his feeble fckface yellow grating teeth into Kings misfortunes tonight.. pity for you they weren’t interested in obliging your white is right song and dance routine..
I’m waiting the pretty day that Solomons Kings fck your overrated Whitey fanfare Brumbies the same way they fckd up force tonight…
23 Feb 2013, 22:22 pm
@nortierd-445: eish 2007 was painful bru, don’t bring that shiit up. Still haunts me.
23 Feb 2013, 22:23 pm
@ShaunB-440: She thinks its ironic or something – hard to fathom really.
23 Feb 2013, 22:24 pm
@skopdiekan-448: The Kings beat the worst Aussie team at home in a pumped up first outing. What do you think will happen next game?
Also, are you worried that your Stormers will be relegated?
23 Feb 2013, 22:25 pm
@kaksioek-447: what you gonna do we fck you up next week with all your crowing and over rampant expectations.. what you gonna be singing and dancing about then?
Kings fck’d your jaundiced expectations in your glory hallelujah last bastion pompous snake eyes tonight.. how many points you back them to lose by in your wild wishfully denigrating desirous imaginations?
23 Feb 2013, 22:25 pm
@kaksioek-447:
Sorry, my mistake
You messed up 3 times more than us
23 Feb 2013, 22:26 pm
@skopdiekan-442: “will be a nice little wide awake call if EP Kings and WP Stormers give you overrated guppies a little lesson in recuperating ego realignment… won’t it just.”
Didn’t you say the same thing about the Stormers beating the Bulls last week?
23 Feb 2013, 22:27 pm
Also since when were EP and WP a “team” together? Stop claiming the EP Kings win as your own, you old goat. Your team lost.
23 Feb 2013, 22:27 pm
@ShaunB-451: How muh you bet on your superbru rankings that you were hoping against all your well worked reasoning that Cheeky and Luke were going to lose by tonight… 50 points or more or less.. how many snot klap whippings were Kings going to lose by tonight…
I gonna laugh my gat off much better if Kings just by chance fck your prissy little band of money grubbing mercenaries in their pompous faces when they meet.. that will be the prettiest sight in all of rugbydom… to savor for eternity…
23 Feb 2013, 22:28 pm
@skopdiekan-452: Well, I dare say I will be quite distraught. Quite distraught indeed. I might exhale audibly, and say things like “bother” – or words to that effect. As you can imagine, it will be a dark day in the kaksioek household.
23 Feb 2013, 22:28 pm
No matter we wanna put it or what we wanna say but the kings won and deservedly so… It will get tougher but they sure will get better… Bravo 2 the kings( it was a sa side that won a aussie side)
23 Feb 2013, 22:28 pm
Actually the hooker that came in for Maku maybe better more aggressive, the no 5 plays a lot like whitelock, Sykes was good but probably still too light as a combo, Engels made a difference on coming on and engelbrecht is their star forward without a doubt , if he’s off they going to struggle.
23 Feb 2013, 22:28 pm
Sharks beaten Stormers 7 out of 10 of the last games.
Should be 8 from 11 after next weekend.
Sheer domination.
23 Feb 2013, 22:28 pm
@kaksioek-457: Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.
23 Feb 2013, 22:29 pm
@skopdiekan-380: Do you perchance have shares in the popcorn industry?
For further information please ask kaksioek.
23 Feb 2013, 22:29 pm
@skopdiekan-456: and what will you do if the Kings beat the Stormers?
23 Feb 2013, 22:30 pm
@ShaunB-446: not historically. For the next game I’ll see what’s what in two weeks. Kings it must chew you immensely.
23 Feb 2013, 22:30 pm
@skopdiekan-452: I don’t play superbru or any such nonsense. I don’t have the time.
23 Feb 2013, 22:31 pm
@mpundulu-464: not really. I only worry about my own team and then like to see the Stormers lose? It’s not all about the Kings
23 Feb 2013, 22:31 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-462:
23 Feb 2013, 22:32 pm
I don’t do superbru either. waste of time.
23 Feb 2013, 22:32 pm
Skop, I told Transie weeks ago I thought they would win a couple, in particular today.
Then after the warm up games, especially the loss to Griquas, I backed out and thought they are in serious trouble.
That result totally threw me and I went for the Force and although I didn’t get the points, I am glad they won.
Not that it would have made a difference this week, only got the Sharks and Brumbies right.
23 Feb 2013, 22:33 pm
Who’s claiming.. I been backing the Kings since year dot… Kings is a fairy tale coming true.. unlike you bunch of misfit glory boy money grubbing cn’ts from your last bastion of soccer playing fraternity…. Kings at least are true bred rugby players unlike you bunch of bought in mercenaries..
The true hero of rugby today were those like Sykes, Watson and Petersen and Engelbrecht etc.. they stood head and shoulders taller than those fakearse money gravitating sharkshits who opt for the mercenary masticating mega monopoly and sell their souls to professional profiteering…
All hail Kings.. the winners of virtue.. fck these pompous inverted last bastion pricks who were wishing them the worst before they ran on the field today…
23 Feb 2013, 22:35 pm
May the Kings beat the Stormers. All hail them.
23 Feb 2013, 22:36 pm
Leister stuffing Saracens up
23 Feb 2013, 22:36 pm
and if the Kings beat the Stormers ten we will see how happy go lucky these Stormers are about the Kings then…..
23 Feb 2013, 22:37 pm
Actually I reckon I was the only one that woulda picked the kings tonight, despite all the crowing on here, but this was a very fortunate team to get first up – the other Saffa teams would’ve home hard to drill them after the ******** comments and the force are depleted – its still a good force team but there was always going to be huge emotion in this game for the kings – they need more depth, but the win will do very well for confidence. Talk of beating the Brumbies is purely idiotic bravado from someone whose been proven wrong by whites teams on countless occasions.
23 Feb 2013, 22:37 pm
@kaksioek-465: you laughing up this sharkshit punk piece of trash backside.. that shows a whole lot about your true overriding sentiments and what it is you actually stand for in life… pompous bunch of last bastion fckwit creeps .. your empire went out with queen Victoria.. the new generation is here to take your sharkshit pompous divide and rule places.. all those EP players playing for sharkshits should be playing for their home team just like Sykes did tonight and you fckwits would be relegated back where you belong playing soccer in amazing Amazulu colors of preening pomposity…
23 Feb 2013, 22:38 pm
the Stormers possess such hate for the Sharks! Why?
23 Feb 2013, 22:40 pm
@skopdiekan-470: Watson made his Super Rugby debut for the Sharks. The Kings’ stand-in captain, Andries Strauss, is also a former Shark – as is Sykes. But the Sharks are villians and the Kings are heroes … I see. It’s confusing, but I’ll ponder it.
23 Feb 2013, 22:40 pm
No one has mentioned the Lions.
They must be in a bit of shock, I suppose Ackerman and Co. are having an emergency strategy meeting right now.
23 Feb 2013, 22:41 pm
England invented both soccer and rugby, they imported both forms if the game, via Liz’s empire to the dominions of, and whats more is that the eastern cape is truly the original 1820 settler inhabitant of the emigrating Pomeranian. They brought the natives to heel during the Xhosa wars.
23 Feb 2013, 22:41 pm
@cab-474: you reckon you the only one…
Force gave a pretty good account of themselves last week against a very highly rated Melbourne Rebels who sported the likes of Higginbotham, Phipps, O’ Connor, Beale etc… and Kings fck’d them up against all these wishful thinking bunch of Sharkshit creeps desires wishing them the absolute worst.. expecting 50 point plus hidings … which had it transpired you would have seen these snake eyed cn’ts like ShaunB and the rest of these sharkshit scum reveling in the glorification of their anti Watson anti Kings sentiments…
23 Feb 2013, 22:42 pm
Kings surprise me.
I have to admit. Congratulations.
The question is … how bad is these Force this year after losing David Pocock.
We shall see in the next 3 weeks.
The win is good for the team and crowd.
Luckily no red face for SA rugby.
Sergeal Peterson lot of talent … 2012 SA Schools and a best 10.55 in 100 meters. Represent South Africa Juniors in 100m.
23 Feb 2013, 22:43 pm
@skopdiekan-475: Well, the Stormers were relegated for a year – 1997 – so you know what that feels like. But I remember you saying you weren’t much of a fan of the Cape and the Stormers since you moved to Egoli. Bit fickle that.
23 Feb 2013, 22:45 pm
480 skopdieballas
Yes I think so afterall I distinctly remember u saying how they going to get hammered after they were hammered by the lions or griquas or someone preseason – ask transie to dig it out but please continue
23 Feb 2013, 22:47 pm
so how come these rugby players are not allowed to move (according to skopishit) and yet he is allowed to move from CT to Jhb?
Like most things, this old goat is the essence of hypocrisy.
23 Feb 2013, 22:48 pm
@kaksioek-477: Luke Watson is a true South African hero.. where all you feeble cn’ts hiding out these days.. in Pomeranian last bastion colonialist empirical hideaways like Goolongone Woolly Wollongong Wallabie country…Watson carried your sharkshit team on his broad shoulders alone in 2005 when your useless last bastion setup were floundering under the yoke of professionalism…
Watson is a true SA hero..and pisswilly whitey is righty sharkshit creeps like ShaunB and MikeH and the rest of the antithesis to the fairy tale that is EP Kings frail purpose for the uplift of indigenous EP South African rugby awakening is alien to your pompous last bastion denigrating deliriousness.
23 Feb 2013, 22:48 pm
skopishit said the Kingshits were going to get smashed to shitbits. now he has forgotten that.
23 Feb 2013, 22:49 pm
The most obvious quality of the Kings from tonight’s match is that they played with on-field intelligence. Neither the Bulls nor Stormers possess this quality. They are not coached, they are trained. Hats off to the coaching staff of the Kings in selecting players that can read a game and allowing them to play the game as it unfolds.
The rubbish that was dished up at Loftus last night underlined the terminal illness in our rugby.
23 Feb 2013, 22:50 pm
puke twatson is a prat
23 Feb 2013, 22:53 pm
Die man weer in die spieel vanoggend gekyk en sy eie dag weer op gevok?
23 Feb 2013, 22:54 pm
@kaksioek-482: whats fickle about recognizing certain insular and desperate separatist exclusive tendencies like and this ShaunB cn’t are emanating here..??
I said I was enjoying being in Jozi my old youthful stomping grounds and recognizing the cosmopolitan and freer social and societal atmosphere while I was there for a brief spell in my sojourn on this planet…
I been a WP supporter long enough to stick with them through thick and thin… but that does not preclude me from hailing the spirit of enterprise and hope that EP Kings showing in spite of all your feeble anti Watson anti progress and dumb fck exclusive insular arsecreep Sharkshit last bastion of pompous white enclave sentiments…
23 Feb 2013, 22:55 pm
I’m not sure hero is the right word at all.
Captain of the kings, couple of good offloads and then off for most of the game, I think it was 10-5 to force before engelbrecht came on and got some much needed go-forward, which was somewhat ironically why white picked burger and tge other loosefirwards over Watson in the first place. I think he could be good surrounded by a big pack and 2 big loosies but well see if he’s slowed up this year.
23 Feb 2013, 22:56 pm
@mpundulu-443: Yes, the lily white Kings will show those racists what they are truly made of!
23 Feb 2013, 22:58 pm
Let’s take a look at the Stormers team that lost (rather pathetically) to the Bulls:
15. Jaco Taute (Former Lion, born in Springs)
14. Gio Aplon
13. Jean de Villiers (captain)
12. Damian de Allende
11. Bryan Habana (Former Lion and Bull, born in JHB)
10. Elton Jantjies (Former Lion, but born in Graaff-Reinet – surely he should play for the Kings)
9. Nic Groom (Born in King Williams Town – oh dear, another poached King)
8. Duane Vermeulen (Former Cheetah, born in Nelspruit)
7. Rynhardt Elstadt (Born in JHB)
6. Siya Kolisi (Born in Zwide – born to be a King)
5. Andries Bekker
4. De Kock Steenkamp
3. Pat Cilliers (Former Shark and Lion, born in Pietermaritzburg)
2. Deon Fourie (Born in Pretoria)
1. Steven Kitshoff (Ginger)
A bit mercenary, wouldn’t you say Skop?
23 Feb 2013, 22:59 pm
awesome week !!
23 Feb 2013, 22:59 pm
@kwas-492: hehehe i did comment earlier it was a very pale team! Only thing black about them was their unoriginal strip!
23 Feb 2013, 23:01 pm
I said at the beginning of the warm up matches the pity is that Kings were not given the wherewithal to withstand a full season of attrition at this level of rugby.. they were thrown into the deep end and expected to sink and swim without the safety net that Sharks and Bulls and Lions and Cheetahs and Stormers were given in all their years of coming last and losing….
I never said Kings would lose against Force.. I watched Force give Rebels a good test last week and expected a hard and tough encounter for Kings tonight.. But Kings played above themselves and Solomons and his Kiwi coach have shown how you take a very raw team of pretty much nobodies and give them belief and spirit and direction and very good coaching..
@Suidkapenaar-487: is 100% correct Kings played with a passion and an ability to read the script and the strategy of the game plan way in advance of the garbage that Bulls and Stormers dished up yesterday.. Kings coaching is far ahead of the derelict degeneracy that traditional SA rugby is still stuck fast and entrenched in.
23 Feb 2013, 23:01 pm
@kaksioek-493: don’t forget Peter Grant, Maritzburg, who will be flying in soon.
Mercenaries? What mercenaries?
23 Feb 2013, 23:02 pm
check the old goat backtracking now
23 Feb 2013, 23:03 pm
Well done Kings Great team win Congrats
23 Feb 2013, 23:03 pm
Jaque Fourie was the ultimate mercenary in the Cape…
23 Feb 2013, 23:03 pm
@kaksioek-493:
We’ll swop you nr 15, 10, 7, 5, 4, 3, 2, and 1 for Lambie and Frans Steyn.
23 Feb 2013, 23:04 pm
@ShaunB-488: you are a far bigger fuckwit prat you miserable fckwit cn’t and if you are unable to recognize it the rest of true humanity that recognized true spirit endeavor is not going to be hoodwinked by miserable feeble fckwit cn’ts the likes of you…
23 Feb 2013, 23:04 pm
I think the Kings stepped up on the big occasion for them they played with heart and passion very good to see
23 Feb 2013, 23:06 pm
@skopdiekan-502:
Hi Skoppie Howzit going ? Just ignore him
23 Feb 2013, 23:07 pm
I thought Goosen was excellent in 2nd half for Cheetahs
And great to see all our young backs plying Super 15
23 Feb 2013, 23:08 pm
@skopdiekan-448: Mrs Palm is also calling you, but only two daughters are needed I believe.
23 Feb 2013, 23:10 pm
54.skopdiekan:
14 Feb 2013, 00:18 am It always saddens me when people in any walk of expertise are lured to offer their loyalty and affection elsewhere from their own home bed of nurturing. All it shows is that money his a far greater appeal to sport participants than the feeling and emotions that should come with representing and contributing to your own regional association first before filling your pockets with the tainted silver that lured you away . Judas Iscariot comes to mind in these instances every time.
23 Feb 2013, 23:10 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-506:
Your team looks good Well balanced They should do well this year
23 Feb 2013, 23:10 pm
Could be a very good bok side this year if goosen and frans steyn fit – the natal winger Peter stef du tout looks blast good like a young Kirin, I put him straight onto one wing with Jp on the other and the Boks pump ABs home and away like the soap opera only better
23 Feb 2013, 23:14 pm
@cab-509:
Yes you are right especially Goosen Just hope he stays fit He tends to thow himself at anything and every body i can see him getting a call form HM to protect his body a b it better
23 Feb 2013, 23:15 pm
Jacques Englebrecht looks decent big strong breaks gain line Worth watching I would say
23 Feb 2013, 23:16 pm
@cab-509: Pieter-Steph du Toit is a lock or a flank. What are you smoking?
23 Feb 2013, 23:17 pm
@cab-509:
Get rid of Meyer….then you may have a hit….
23 Feb 2013, 23:18 pm
@ET.-159: +Gaats hiers die held van soweto. Donder Eugene wil jy vir my se jys daai dag soweto toe sonder a gun in jou mou en jy het dit oorleef? Jy is n dapper muis maak geen fout daar nie.Ek wonder soms oor jou is jy regtig so braaf of is jy dalk net n papiertier wat homself as n komediant wil voordoen. ek sal jou dit toegee, jy is K.aksnaaks vir al die verkeerde redes.
23 Feb 2013, 23:18 pm
510 yes Pete goosen looks excellent – gdam I hope Meyer gets a little more adventurous this year – I was watching something on the NHL Minnesota Vikings on espn – dunno if you follow any of the Nfl but there’s some nice history – telling the story of the Canadian quarterback they drafted in during 70s – a real character, think football and baseball be quite nice sports
23 Feb 2013, 23:19 pm
Sorry NHL = NFL, think its soda from Minnesota.
23 Feb 2013, 23:21 pm
512, kaksoek, the oke that scored the try down the line but stepped into touch? Damn I knew it was too good to be true
23 Feb 2013, 23:22 pm
Yes big NFL fan but not rugby lol
I am a 49er fan
23 Feb 2013, 23:23 pm
Yes Soda is from Minnesota ET from Philly
23 Feb 2013, 23:24 pm
@cab-517: Well, this makes it even better – right? A lock or a flank with amazing pace. He’s going to be a legend, won the junior world championship last year as a lock.
23 Feb 2013, 23:26 pm
Kaksoek no then not sure if big enough for flank, damn that bugger finished well tho, that’s a Kirwin try.
23 Feb 2013, 23:27 pm
@kaksioek-520:
Juust happy there will be some other locks for HM to chose other than Bekker and Kruger
23 Feb 2013, 23:28 pm
@cab-521: He’s still growing. He might not be a Bok this year, but it is a matter of time.
23 Feb 2013, 23:30 pm
Congratulations Bull, Sharks, Kings and Keo for calling it.
23 Feb 2013, 23:30 pm
@kaksioek-493:
here is a comparison for you
15. Jaco Taute (Former Lion, born in Springs – my own home town) GP
14. Gio Aplon – WP
13. Jean de Villiers (captain) WP
12. Damian de Allende WP
11. Bryan Habana (Former Lion and Bull, born in JHB) GP
10. Elton Jantjies (Former Lion, but born in Graaff-Reinet – surely he should play for the Kings) EP
9. Nic Groom (Born in King Williams Town schooled and educated in CT and recently at UCT– ) WP
8. Duane Vermeulen (Former Cheetah, born in Nelspruit) should play for MP
7. Rynhardt Elstadt (Born in JHB grew up in Montagu schooled in WP) WP
6. Siya Kolisi (Born in Zwide – born to be a King) EP
5. Andries Bekker WP
4. De Kock Steenkamp WP
3. Pat Cilliers (Former Shark and Lion, born in Pietermaritzburg) KZN
2. Deon Fourie (Born in Pretoria) BB
1. Steven Kitshoff (Ginger) WP
breakdown
8 WP, 2 GP, 2 EP, 1 BB, 1 KZN, 1 MP
Now here is your Sharkishits who scraped past one of their feeder team Cheetahs today
Ludick – GP
JPP – WP
Jordaan – EP
FS – EP
Mvovo – EP
Lambie – KZN
Reinach – OFS
Kankowski – EP
Coetsee – KZN
Botes – GP
Vd Merwe – WP
Bressler – Namibia
Du Plessis – OFS
Burden – KZN
Beast – Zimbabwe
Breakdown
4 EP, 3 KZN, 2 WP, 2 GP, 2 OFS, 1 NMB, 1 Zim
Psdt – WP, Bosman – FS, Ndungane – EP, McLeod – GP, Alberts – GP, Daniel – EP, Whitehead – EP, Sithole – EP, Mbalula – EP
Now which one looks like a true mercenary bunch of money grubbing mercenary profiteering creeps and which not..??
I gladly give EP their players if we get all our lost players back.. and Jantjies and Taute can f’off back to Lions tomorrow.. we don’t need them.
If all mercenaries go back to their nome bred or at least to the franchise that schooled and educated and brought them through junior systems.. then the SA rugby landscape would look like this
WP
EP
FS
Lions
Bulls
Sharks
That is the true reflection of how the rugby playing demographics in terms of real rugby expediency and player quality works currently
23 Feb 2013, 23:32 pm
@skopdiekan-525: snooze…. zzz zzz zzz zzz since when do you only play for the team where you were born? zzz zzz zzz how come you lived and worked in CT when you grew up in Jhb?
23 Feb 2013, 23:32 pm
@cab-509:
@kaksioek-520:
Pieter Steff Du Toit
he’s a No 7 flank or No. 4 lock.. another bred and schooled in WP and poached and stolen by Sharkshit mercenary hunters…
23 Feb 2013, 23:34 pm
so what you got to say about your hero puke twatson having played at Bath?
23 Feb 2013, 23:36 pm
@ShaunB-526: go play soccer you stupid moronic sharkshit anti Kings cn’t that is all you KZN second rate rugby fraternity is good for… its no wonder that all the best soccer players and coaches come from Sharkshit country because that is your preferred form of sporting endeavor and entertainment… you should stick to what you do best and leave those with rugby bred into their souls from birth to play the game closest to their natural inclinations.
23 Feb 2013, 23:36 pm
The young black winger from grey had a moerse good game considering. Be interesting to see how he grows over next year or two. Brave. Up against Cummings and Mafu, you don’t get much tougher then that.
23 Feb 2013, 23:38 pm
I’m proud to say I was there and it was AWESOME
23 Feb 2013, 23:38 pm
@skopdiekan-220: Hey skopdieboer, apartheid is dead but for the likes of you trying your best to keep it alive.Maybe the klonkie (as you referred to Jantjies) yesterday with the letter on the stick has not yet arrived in the wild outback of Africa (vishoek) yet ,where the sharks and ******* roam free. The new in vogue struggle is for the justice and survival of the palestenian people. Is that maybe why you left, the hypocracy of what you are run to close to the bone in the promised land. If you really want to slay a dragon take up the sword against your own and show the world you are not just a bitter d>rol onder die brug.You and E.T. should meet up to work out a stategy to take this struggle forward I see he is also big on salads.
23 Feb 2013, 23:39 pm
@cab-521: He’s big enough for flank.. if he’s big enough for No.4 lock then he’s big enough for flank.. a modern day Frik Du Preez.. born and bred in WP and ripped off usurped and stolen by sharkshit profiteers…
23 Feb 2013, 23:39 pm
@skopdiekan-529: never played soccer in my life and don’t know anyone who has. Rugby is the main sport in Natal….
You’ve been peddling that myth all week 
Fibber.
23 Feb 2013, 23:40 pm
@jet jungle-532: he calls indians “cooliescreeps” …. this from a man who pretends not to be racist!
23 Feb 2013, 23:41 pm
To the Kings congratulations for you showed the world today what a team of all sorts can achieve when working together and fighting for and not against each other.
23 Feb 2013, 23:41 pm
@jet jungle-532: who the fck are you PW Botha’s ghost of wie.. ****** schmuckaroo.. you also hate Watsons with a passion.. I’m pretty certain that hoed will fit jou fckoff polisie kar dringende ossewa kring sentiments..??
23 Feb 2013, 23:43 pm
533 ja I think he could be a Frik DU Oreez is good comparison. I just wonder with that turn of speed and power through the tackle whether he shouldn’t be used on the wing – he looked like the spitting image of a young John Kirwan when scoring that disallowed try.
23 Feb 2013, 23:43 pm
@ShaunB-535: I call coolie-creeps cooliecreeps.. I got more Indian friends and acquaintances than you could ever dream to encounter…
23 Feb 2013, 23:44 pm
@cab-538: Not fast enough for wing .. but a very explosive speedy loose forward / 2nd row operative…
23 Feb 2013, 23:44 pm
@ShaunB-466: well why would my entry necessitate your response?
23 Feb 2013, 23:45 pm
@ShaunB-535: Typical settler mentality en net in SA is b>obbejaan hatespeech.
23 Feb 2013, 23:46 pm
@skopdiekan-525: Well, that took you long enough.
Look at it this way: Ludik is the only player in the Sharks backline who didn’t make his provincial debut for the Sharks.
Aplon, de Villiers and Groom are the only players in the Stormers backline who didn’t play for other provinces previously.
That sounds pretty mercenary to me.
23 Feb 2013, 23:46 pm
@mpundulu-541: It’s not all about the Kings Pundie
23 Feb 2013, 23:47 pm
@SpringbokSarah-531: well done and congrats to those spirited true South Africans your friends you are so proud of..
23 Feb 2013, 23:49 pm
@skopdiekan-537: Do not avoid the subject with your far out poetry dude. You are nothing but a bitter Don Quixote.
23 Feb 2013, 23:51 pm
@skopdiekan-545: ag it was great and the vibe was amazing. They really needed this
23 Feb 2013, 23:52 pm
@kaksioek-543: what back line you comparing.. JPP should be playing for WP.. Habana can go back to Lions same as Jantjies to EP and Taute to GP
I say again draw the line and let all those schooled and educated through junior rugby platforms and schooling go back to the franchise that taught them the game
PSDT, Pollard, Hougaard, JPP, Sadie, etc and etc to come Home to WP and you get all your born and bred KZN stars to represent your outfit.. then we see who lands up where and who is classified mercenary and who not….
You wont stay up in SR you can be guaranteed EP would whip you into oblivion and kick your soccer playing arses back to Sport Pienaar rugby.
23 Feb 2013, 23:53 pm
Kankowski, JP Pietersen, Frans Steyn, Beast, Mvovo, Lambie and Keegan Daniel are all products of the Sharks Academy.
23 Feb 2013, 23:54 pm
skopishit never answers the question, always a fib from him thrown into the mix too…
23 Feb 2013, 23:56 pm
@skopdiekan-548: I’m comparing your Stormers backline full of players who made their debuts for other provinces. Only three made their debuts for WP – four started off elsewhere. Only one of ours started elsewhere. Simple.
23 Feb 2013, 23:56 pm
@jet jungle-546: which subject .. what.. you talking about Palestine ..?? .. is this the ax you wanna grind out here where true saffas like the Watsons are standing up for true beliefs and miserable PW Botha clones like you and these pompous white silver spoon fed punks from sugar plantation bigotry are trying to keep rugby strictly pompously bred and fed to blik ore boertjies and white last bastion souties only??
23 Feb 2013, 23:57 pm
The noordtransvaal and Oranjestadders still produce the tough boeremansaplikes – you don’t get Juan smith or Andre venter or kobus worse or willem Alberts or danie rossouw or bakkies Botha coming out the cape schools.
23 Feb 2013, 23:57 pm
This win to the Kings is a catch 22 to many rugby loving whites in RSA. If they continue to win tho will irk them if they lose then it is a blight on RSA depth.
Is it racism that many saffas hate Kings???
23 Feb 2013, 23:58 pm
@kaksioek-551: we don’t need no mercenaries.. I will be only too happy if we keep all our home bred players here and keep all those overrated mercenaries like Taute and Jantjies etc. who come take our home bred players places out… unlike your setup which will not and cannot survive without them…
23 Feb 2013, 23:58 pm
Pieter Steph du Toit and Paul Jordaan are also Sharks Academy products.
23 Feb 2013, 23:58 pm
@skopdiekan-537: I do not know or hate the Watsons, I do not hate players that ply their trades for other provinces and countrys. I do dislike Hypocrats immensly and i love nothing better than a stake of the coals washed down with a long cool beer.
23 Feb 2013, 23:59 pm
@wallabie.-554: Only if the Saffas in question are black, because the Kings are mostly white.
24 Feb 2013, 00:00 am
@wallabie.-554: yip its racism.. nothing less than that.. its racism in snooty white miserable bigoted pompous bred whitey ville that hates Kings and everything they aspire to with an absolute passion.. hoping like hell they going to get destroyed for their racism to be upheld and entrenched further.
24 Feb 2013, 00:01 am
@CoachPete-505: I think the cheetahs play rugby, they offer options, they are truly ball in hand, their biggest issue for their history been an organized defensive structure.
24 Feb 2013, 00:01 am
@kaksioek-556: Sharks academy is a mercenary enterprise that goes around to Craven week competitions and offers big money to young kids to come ply their trade for their mercenary teams…
24 Feb 2013, 00:02 am
This argument that anyone critical of the Kings is a racist is as stupid as the argument that the lily-white Kings team, run by a white man and captained by his white son, is advancing the cause of the “multitude” of black rugby players in the Eastern Cape.
24 Feb 2013, 00:03 am
TEN ex-Academy students have played for the Springboks:
? Frans Steyn
? JP Pietersen
? Waylon Murray
? Ryan Kankowski
? Beast Mtawarira
? Tim Dlulane
? Alistair Hargreaves
? Keegan Daniel
? Lwazi Mvovo
? Patrick Lambie
24 Feb 2013, 00:03 am
@jet jungle-557: stake should be steak as in the bloody kind
24 Feb 2013, 00:03 am
@wallabie.-554: what do you know about whites in SA?
It’s not racism. I am too young to have anything to do with Apartheid. I just don’t like the Watsons. Cheeky is a prat and Puke said he wanted to puke on the jersey.
Oh and the way they got in sucked.
Simple.
Skopishit talks shiit. He tilts at windmills.
24 Feb 2013, 00:04 am
Fifty – Four (54) ex-Academy players represented the Sharks in the Super Rugby
and/or Currie Cup:
15 Frans Steyn Carl Bezuidenhout Scott Spedding
Gouws Prinsloo
14 JP Pietersen Dusty Noble Mark Richards
13 Waylon Murray Clyde Rathbone Braden Ferreira
12 Brad Barritt Riaan Swanepoel Luzuko Vulindlu
11 Lwazi Mvovo Cedric Mkhize Howard Noble Sibusiso Sithole
10 Patrick Lambie Guy Cronje Steve Meyer
9 Ross Cronje Sandile Nxumalo Thulani Nteta Cobus Reinach
8 Ryan Kankowski Justin Downey Pompies Wessels
7 Michael Rhodes Nikolai Blignaut Marcell Coetzee
6 Keegan Daniel Conrad Stoltz Lambert Groeneweld Francois Kleinhans
5 Alistair Hargreaves Johan Snyman Anton Bresler
Peet Marais
4 Steven Sykes Claude Dry Jandre’ Marais Jan-Toit van Jaarsveld
3 Patrick Cilliers JC Strauss Julian Redelinghuys Wiehahn Herbst
2 Craig Burdon Jody Jenneker Kyle Cooper Monde’ Hadebe
1 Beast Mtwarira Dale Chadwick Sangoni Mxoli Barra Mthethwa
24 Feb 2013, 00:04 am
@kaksioek-562: spot on.
24 Feb 2013, 00:05 am
Without the tWatsons the Kings would be a much more palatable venture.
24 Feb 2013, 00:05 am
562 kaksoek that’s a v good point in itself – which is how many black players are actually on the park – is the point to develop the talent in the region or to import from elsewhere to make into a competitive franchise of merceneraries like the rebels.
24 Feb 2013, 00:05 am
@jet jungle-557: you got any iota of an idea what a hypocrite is.. a hypocrite is one who kills breathing living conscious beings and swallows their flesh in savoring glee and calls himself civilized… that is a hypocrite of the utmost degree…
@jet jungle-557: how much were you hoping the Kings get annihilated by this evening.. Like ShaunB amd kaksioek your last bastion dream merchant pals?
24 Feb 2013, 00:05 am
@ShaunB-535: what do you believe you are?
24 Feb 2013, 00:07 am
@wallabie.-554: You will find it’s really nothing to do with the Kings it’s self. The hatred is more towards the Watsons. I really don’t know why. Also blame SARU they created this Kings vs. Lions bs. They are really the clowns.
Calling it racism? Get the fck out of here…
24 Feb 2013, 00:07 am
@skopdiekan-552: Pw got nothing on Netanyaho, go and attack that windmill dude.
24 Feb 2013, 00:08 am
Interesting that the Kings use the 7 shirt as the openside! As the rest if the world does
Apart from France and South Africa…
Any reasons why they use 6 as openside? Cannot imagine Brussouw with 7 on his back or Smith with 6 haha
24 Feb 2013, 00:08 am
@cab-569: Not only are there very few black players in the team, but they even imported two coaches from New Zealand and lobbied SARU unsuccessfully to allow them to field more foreign players. It’s a joke.
24 Feb 2013, 00:10 am
@Rhys7-574: Perhaps it’s the Kiwi influence from the coaching staff.
24 Feb 2013, 00:10 am
@wallabie.-554: you know it is, hence the question, they just can’t help it. However, it’s always veiled. The cheetahs, lions, stormers, bulls, and sharks have had their whipping years, let the kings endure theirs with dignity. The above teams did.
24 Feb 2013, 00:11 am
@kaksioek-562: what are these white men who are playing those that they can muster who are near as possible to SR ready in order to create a platform for the budding black rugby population to emulate and aspire toward ??
You are one dumb f’ng colonialist prick if you using your Watsonian hatred to cast dispersion about their underlying aspirations and ambition.. which is to develop EP rugby into a truly multi racial cosmopolitan enterprise that will hone and develop ALL the talents in that region and especially to give aspiring black players the opportunity to be proud of the franchise they hail from instead of selling their souls for a pocket full of miserable feeble silver to those greedy soccer playing moguls in sugar plantation bastions of mercenary activity up the coast.
If Cheeky and Solomons are successful the franchise MOST hard hit by their success will be your sharkshits that why you fear their potential for success and hate them with a last bastion of pompous segregationist passion…
24 Feb 2013, 00:11 am
575 quite correct – I suppose they say they’ve got to be competitive, and maybe they do, but I thought the whole premise behind the franchise is the development of the local black talent and today showed 2 wingers that did that, which is a start, but the importation of talents suggests there is another driver behind this whole enterprise, and that’s always been the issue – which is what exactly is the underlying driving principles.
24 Feb 2013, 00:12 am
@skopdiekan-555: well that’s fitting.
24 Feb 2013, 00:15 am
@jet jungle-573: I live in SA .. I am a south african citizen I have been a south african citizen since birth.. I have no allegiances not ideological associations or affiliations with any right wing segregationist Israeli’s the same as I have never had with any right wing white segregationist boertjies who are still clinging to their hope for a separate last bastion self determined homeland in southern Africa.
24 Feb 2013, 00:15 am
@cab-579: Which SA team doesn’t have two black wingers?
24 Feb 2013, 00:16 am
The Watson fans should go and read about Bosasa: “Bosasa Operations, exposed (in 2009) in Parliament for allegedly bribing top prison officials to secure contracts worth more than R1,7-billion, makes a killing from government business. This includes work for the departments of correctional services, justice, home affairs, transport and the provincial governments of Gauteng and the Eastern Cape. “Bosasa’s chief executive, Gavin Watson, has close links with the governing ANC through his family’s anti-apartheid struggle credentials and his brothers’ post-1994 business interests.” Hot tip: Gavin Watson is Cheeky Watson’s brother. “A number of people benefiting from Bosasa contracts or linked to Watson and his family had links to Mbeki’s office, including the ex-president’s political adviser, Titus Mafolo, and Mbeki’s head of office, Lorato Phalatse, who is married to former Strategic Fuel Fund chairperson Seth Phalatse. “Watson’s brother, Valence, is the chief executive of Vulisango Holdings, the empowerment partner of controversial mining firm Simmer & Jack. Valence Watson’s business partners include Nozuko Pikoli, the wife of axed prosecutions boss Vusi Pikoli, and Siviwe Mapisa, the brother of Correctional Services Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula. “At the time when the Bosasa group was awarded its first major prisons contract for catering in 2004, the company was owned by Watson’s family trust (26%), Bosasa directors Carol Mkele (33,3%) and Joe Gumede (18,5%), and the Bosasa Employees Trust (22,2%). “Between 2004 and 2006 three companies in the group—Bosasa Operations, Sondolo IT and Phezulu Fencing—were awarded six tenders by the prisons department at the value of R1,8-billion. “The SIU’s probe focused on four tenders: a catering tender for R717-million over three years; an access control tender at R237-million; a fencing contract for R587-million, and a tender for TV systems in prisons at a cost of R224-million. “Hofmeyr’s probe found that in almost all cases Bosasa was involved in the drafting of tender specifications and that procurement policies were severely discounted.” These are your heroes True patriots this bunch.
24 Feb 2013, 00:17 am
581 but you are also an Israeli citizen or have you relinquished that?
24 Feb 2013, 00:17 am
http://mg.co.za/article/2009-11-20-prisons-graft-bosasas-empire-of-influence
24 Feb 2013, 00:17 am
@skopdiekan-570: I never called myself civilised dude we are just clever apes. You are the one that think the human race is a special creation. I will allways support the kings over any overseas teams and the stormers. They won my respect today. I do think i am kind though conversing with a bitter old man who got nobody left to shout at home.
24 Feb 2013, 00:18 am
Then, let’s not forget that Cheeky Watson tried to blackmail Peter de Villiers into including his son, Luke, in the Bok team:
Ex-Bok coach Div’s *** tape bombshell
Posted on May 28, 2012 | Leave a comment
By Yolandé Stander and John Harvey
CONTROVERSIAL former Springbok coach Peter de Villiers has accused Southern Kings rugby boss Cheeky Watson and local ANC MP Cedric Frolick of being behind shock allegations that he had been filmed having *** in a parking lot in 2008 shortly after being appointed.
The accusations are made in De Villiers’s new book Politically Incorrect, released on Friday May 25. In the book, De Villiers claims he had been told the two were behind the *** tape smear which almost derailed his Bok coaching career before it had properly begun.
“The first time I heard about the so-called *** tape was the weekend of the Tri-Nations test against the All Blacks in Cape Town. Chris Hewitt, the South African Rugby Union (Saru) media manager who was later killed in a light aircraft crash, informed me about the existence of the tape. Apparently Cheeky Watson and Cedric Frolick were going to reveal a *** tape they had obtained of me in a compromising position with a woman in a car park during a trip to the Eastern Cape.
“By then Chris had informed me that Cedric, who as an ANC MP was involved with the Parliamentary Portfolio Committee on Sport and Recreation, had told him he would rather have a white coach who would listen to him than a black coach who did his own thing.”
The *** tape allegations centre on an incident in April 2008 when the Bok coach was allegedly caught on tape having *** in a car with an unknown woman. Later that year Springbok communications manager Andy Colquhoun was quoted as saying Saru had found “no evidence of a plot and no evidence such a tape exists”.
Watson and Frolick both rubbished De Villiers’s claim on Friday. Watson told Weekend Post: “My only comment is: ‘Shame, I feel sorry for him.’ It’s completely unfounded.”
An equally incensed Frolick said: “As I said initially when the story [about the *** tape] broke in 2008, I do not know anything about it. I don’t get involved in people’s personal business.”
He was surprised this was even mentioned in the book, because De Villiers never raised the issue with him after the incident. “If he had a problem he could have spoken to me about it, but he never did.”
De Villiers’s book has already courted controversy in Eastern Cape rugby circles as it contains assertions about Watson’s son Luke and the fact that the Southern Kings should not be part of the Super Rugby competition next year.
Frolick said De Villiers’s disclosures were a “slap in the face” to the Eastern Cape rugby community.
De Villiers’s criticism of the Southern Kings being included in the tough Super Rugby competition next year also came as a shock to Frolick.
In the book, De Villiers says the Eastern Cape needs rugby to be developed, as 60% of all South Africa’s black players come from the region, but the Kings are not the answer. “If you want to introduce rugby, make every Super 15 team play a game there. If you want to develop talent, let it run its natural course, not by buying players from elsewhere. If they gave black players the chance, they would be the best they could be …
“We don’t have enough players to justify it. Instead of creating a vehicle to develop and keep the best black rugby players in the country, we’re making a team for the seventh, eighth and ninth best white players who don’t have anything left to give.”
He says the Kings simply would not be competitive in Super Rugby.
Also tackled in the book is the issue of Luke Watson, the current EP Kings captain, and his controversial stint with the Springbok team. In a section of who would captain the team he details his decision not to make Luke skipper.
“Cheeky didn’t expect me to be so strong. Like most South African fathers, he couldn’t take a step back from his child’s sport. Luke is an outstanding player and captain, but he never lived up to my expectations.”
http://theweekendpost.com/2012/05/
24 Feb 2013, 00:18 am
@skopdiekan-581: Thats all I wanted to hear. Respect. Over and out.
24 Feb 2013, 00:19 am
@kaksioek-587: This was after he managed, previously, to get him into Jake White’s team.
24 Feb 2013, 00:20 am
De Villiers’s book has already courted controversy in Eastern Cape rugby circles as it contains assertions about Watson’s son Luke and the fact that the Southern Kings should not be part of the Super Rugby competition next year.
Frolick said De Villiers’s disclosures were a “slap in the face” to the Eastern Cape rugby community.
De Villiers’s criticism of the Southern Kings being included in the tough Super Rugby competition next year also came as a shock to Frolick.
In the book, De Villiers says the Eastern Cape needs rugby to be developed, as 60% of all South Africa’s black players come from the region, but the Kings are not the answer. “If you want to introduce rugby, make every Super 15 team play a game there. If you want to develop talent, let it run its natural course, not by buying players from elsewhere. If they gave black players the chance, they would be the best they could be …
“We don’t have enough players to justify it. Instead of creating a vehicle to develop and keep the best black rugby players in the country, we’re making a team for the seventh, eighth and ninth best white players who don’t have anything left to give.”
He says the Kings simply would not be competitive in Super Rugby.
Also tackled in the book is the issue of Luke Watson, the current EP Kings captain, and his controversial stint with the Springbok team. In a section of who would captain the team he details his decision not to make Luke skipper.
“Cheeky didn’t expect me to be so strong. Like most South African fathers, he couldn’t take a step back from his child’s sport. Luke is an outstanding player and captain, but he never lived up to my expectations.”
24 Feb 2013, 00:29 am
@kaksioek-587: Makes you wonder where all the scadenvreude stem from.
24 Feb 2013, 00:35 am
@kaksioek-590: strange how its all you lost last colonial outpost colony hoppers living over in Goolongwanaland who have the most hatred and dispersion to sow about a South African family who are at the forefront of the drive to create a rugby region for aspiring EC rugby playing aspirants..
How come its all you snooty white colony hopping hate infused racists living over in another white Victorian enclave shouting out what despicable human creatures Cheeky and Luke Watson are.. while the local indigenous rugby playing aspirants and supporters treat them as their truly elected spokespeople and leaders in the hope for a rugby renaissance in that region??
Are you the antithesis of all that is promising in SA or are they.. you feeble lost last bastion outpost runaway convict loving hypocrite.. Luke and Cheeky Watson are striving for a potential platform for success and you little runaway punk are wishing they fail…
Who is the undermining feeble creep and who is at the forefront of the attempt toward uplift for the EC rugby loving people.. you or them… who ??
24 Feb 2013, 00:42 am
@skopdiekan-592: On the contrary, the Watsons are a South African family who are at the forefront of the drive to enrich the Watsons.
They spend every waking minute trying to cash in their “struggle credentials” – and are doing a pretty decent job of it too.
Of course they aren’t doing much at all for black South Africans – but then that means they have a lot in common with Cheeky’s comrades in the ANC.
You believe the spin – good for you.
Don’t expect me to.
24 Feb 2013, 00:43 am
@CoachPete-508: Thanks Coach, I sure hope you’re right.
24 Feb 2013, 00:45 am
Yes and it’s also strange how its tge vegetarian enlightened humanitarians who are also the most aggressive intolerant narrow-minded on this here website.
Who knows hey, it’s a strange world we live in.
24 Feb 2013, 00:46 am
@skopdiekan-592:
Hi Skop…I can’t fathom why some would want to sell a whole Rugby region down the river because of the perceived actions of a few….surely there are other reasons for the hatred of the Sa table topping Kings?
24 Feb 2013, 00:46 am
Oh for goodness sake stop talking about Peter Div of course he wants to put down Watsons. Everyone who isnt part of it does. South Africa is politically incorrect and messed up and it spreads to rugby. Luke has said with hind sight he wouldnt have played for the springboks in 2007. The funny thing is that Luke probably gets on with Jake White now and less so with Peter div. how can he say he did not live up to expectations? Watch Watsons performances against Wales and Italy in 2008 and he was in great form yet Div decided to drop him. Div was a nuthead in charge. I will not listen to him. He did not live up to expectations. Theres so much stuff that goes on and everyone has an opinion. Noone will ever know the full story, not even those involved.
As a player I rate Watson highly and as a captain and I thoroughly enjoyed watching the Kings win. Sergeal Petersen looks a great talent maybe can replace the void Habana will leave for the boks.
However I dont know much about Cheeky Watson and how much people claim they are corrupt.
I say, let every man have his opinion but in terms of rugby, let the talking be done on the field.
Most players that have played with Luke have gotten on with him very well. Only those in their little bubbles back in 08 would try and bring him down. I have lost all respect for John Smit since his outburst in his autobiography.
Luke inspires me with his performance and the character he has shown with all the hate he recieved. Hes a changed man and hes admitted to his mistakes. People like they are in SA were looking for a reason to hate Luke and unfortunately he gave them one.
The best thing about the Kings is that people will love it if they lose and hate it if they win. I find it laughable that people were so quick to put the team down, shows really that South African rugby supporters and traditional teams are in a bubble. Get out of it. Get on with it. Deal with it.
Kings are in it to for the long run, post Watson era and will hopefully provide a platform for all rugby players in the Eastern Cape, whether Black or White, for years to come. Atleast there is now a franchise there to play for and I think SA fans should support this. It makes SA rugby as a whole, stronger.
Well done to all the winning teams today.
24 Feb 2013, 00:49 am
No response from SA Rugby
2012-10-09 14:46
Sport24 columnist Graeme Joffe (File)
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I haven’t received a response from SA Rugby to my last column but to be honest, I really wasn’t expecting one.
When the questions get tough and uncomfortable, SA Rugby bosses take the 5th amendment, just like their SASCOC counterparts.
The problem is that none of these administrators are accountable because of the gravy train that runs from top to bottom.
The Daily Dispatch reporting that the department of Sport and Recreation “wasted nearly R8-million in fruitless, unauthorised and irregular expenditure while it chalked up more than R10-million in liabilities. The financial losses come as the public protector conducts an investigation into the irregular spending of more than R2-million on local and international flights by sports minister Fikile Mbalula and his deputy, Gert Oosthuizen.”
(NOTE: The Daily Dispatch has subsequently retracted the story above)
How do Mbalula and co also justify a spend of R45 million on the 2011 Sports Award Gala at Sun City?
And already for the 2012 awards, they had a big launch function last week just to name the nominees.
Where in the world do they have a function just to name the nominees – only in South Africa for the fat cats to have another party!
So, when your sports ministry and SASCOC are wasting public funds with *** abandon, how can you expect any other sporting body to play by the rules.
Sports administrators are not answerable to anyone.
The example is set by those above and it’s become a free for all. Ride the gravy train as long as you can.
Does that not sound familiar for SA in general?
Back to the Kings/Lions saga, I am the first to admit, it would be great for Port Elizabeth to have Super Rugby and a PSL franchise for that matter. But I don’t see the PSL using their political clout to promote PE City or Bay United a couple of divisions to the Absa Premiership and relegate a club that has underperformed over the last few years.
Can you imagine the uproar if that happened in football?
So, you can sympathise with Lions administration, players and fans for what has been a shambolic, unacceptable, political promotion of the Kings to the Super Rugby.
Had promotion/relegation been in place at the beginning of the 2012 season, then all is well and you have the playoff but the Lions had no idea they would be gone in 2013 as a result of a “dirty” vote.
Hence, the Lions administration can be forgiven for looking shell shocked and not quite knowing what to tell their stakeholders and fans.
If the Lions follow the legal route, to whose benefit will that be, except for the lawyers. SARU have the financial means for a five year legal battle, not sure if the Lions do.
Silence is golden and the silence of the Lions administration must mean they are working on another plan or competition that could be “golden” for the Lions in the long run, if you’ll excuse the pun.
Super Rugby isn’t the be-all and end-all.
Just hope too many fans haven’t thrown in the towel already and that SA Rugby are in some way compensating the Lions stakeholders and suite holders for 2013. (hint hint, nudge nudge, wink wink)
After all, SA Rugby put the cart before the horse, thinking SANZAR would agree to the 16th franchise.
It didn’t happen and SARU went behind the backs of the Lions and are fully responsible for the current state of affairs.
The Lions nor the Kings should shoulder any of the blame.
As for unaccredited agents, I did get this response from a work colleague of Mark Keohane.
Simon Borchardt tweeted: “Another emotional rant from @Joffersmyboy. How can @mark_keohane be representing Luke Watson when he resigned from HSM three months ago? The burden of proof falls on you, Graeme. Stop being a fan and do some actual research”
Well, well, well Mr Borchardt. My research shows me that no HSM employees have SARU accreditation to be an agent. Mark Keohane was also not accredited when he acted on behalf of Luke.
Did anything happen?
No
Do SARU bend the rules?
Yes
But I do see that Mark Keohane’s brother, Shane, has a temporary license and is scheduled to take the agents test this week. Hope he passes the test and can cover for his “bru” to continue acting as Luke’s agent/manager. Must be a nice little commission if the player is currently earning R3 million a year and to be R4 million from June 1, 2013.
Not bad research, huh?
Spin how it how you wish Mr Borchardt, you guys have done it so well for so many years. In fact, Keo has made a business out of spin doctoring.
Lucky, he doesn’t need a medical accreditation for that!
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24 Feb 2013, 00:51 am
@jet jungle-586: you being kind to yourself… you think you being kind to me you got no clue.. I never addressed you.. you came looking here for a conversation… I just say my piece and you come looking to tilt at windmills… you think you need some education then get some.. or else keep communicating perhaps you still learn something you don’t know much about yet.
@Tuna-572:
If its not racism then what the fck is this hatred you feel toward someone striving to create a multi racial platform to develop black and white non racial rugby in that region…
you are deluding yourself if you telling yourself its not racist when it is.
@cab-584: I’m Israeli by birth only. I am South African by natural citizenship. Both my parents are South African citizens from birth.
24 Feb 2013, 00:51 am
@kaksioek-598: This gem also explains why Keo and HSM have parted ways, and how he was cashing in by promoting Luke.
24 Feb 2013, 00:54 am
@kaksioek-598: Also, Lucky Luke is earning R4m this year – up from R3m last year. That struggle sure is rewarding, isn’t it?
24 Feb 2013, 00:55 am
What next from SA Rugby?
2012-10-16 11:30
Sport24 columnist Graeme Joffe (File)
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I fully understand that the Lions/Kings Super Rugby saga has been flogged to death, but the sooner SA Rugby can answer the questions posed in previous columns, the sooner the issue can be put to bed.
The rugby public has a right to know the truth.
I received an email from Andy Colquhoun (GM Corporate Affairs and Strategic Communications Manager at SA Rugby) last week, which I thought would answer some of the questions, but unfortunately his response was not for quoting.
I replied saying that I find it rather strange that you object to my remark about SARU “taking the fifth amendment when the questions get tough”, yet you invoke it by stating that your response is not for quoting.
Andy’s response was that it is for the CEO or president to be quoted on these matters, not himself. But I can forward questions to him and he shall arrange to have them answered.
Hmmmmmmm…
Not sure why he then replied to me in the first place with an email which got a “thanks Andy” from SARU president Oregan Hoskins.
Anyway, I have forwarded the following questions and await a response from CEO or president of SA Rugby.
1. On January 31, 2012 – did the unions vote in favour of a proposal that the bottom team in 2012 be relegated and appear in a promotion playoff at the end of the 2013 campaign OR did they vote for the Kings inclusion, not at the expense of another SA union?
2. What else did SARU put on the table?
3. Why was the onus on the Unions to come up with a solution – when in fact SARU put the cart before the horse with a “16th” franchise?
4. Did SARU and Jurie Roux not say “no other SA team would fall out of the Super Rugby for the Kings inclusion in 2013”?
5. What changed?
6. Were any of the Unions that voted the Lions out promised any incentives from SARU ie Test matches, money?
7. How much money has SARU put into the Kings since becoming a shareholder?
8. Is SARU compensating the Lions and their fans in any way?
9. Is SARU taking any disciplinary action against Mark Keohane or the Kings for being an unaccredited agent/manager of Luke Watson?
10. Why is the onus on the provinces to confirm that an agent acting for a player is properly accredited? Surely, the onus is on SARU?
11. Why did SARU not look at including the Kings in the Currie Cup 3-4 years ago?
12. Was there any government intervention in the Kings decision?
13. Is the government and SARU involved in a sec 21 company to assist with growing talent in the Eastern Cape?
14. What dates will the Super Rugby promotion/relegation playoff be next year and the format?
15. If Kings finish in the relegation spot, will the goalposts be moved again?
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, it seems as if SASCOC and their CEO, Tubby Reddy is still clocking up the air miles. In his latest SASCOC column, he says: “I am currently in China for debriefing with Team South Africa’s kit supplier, Erke.”
So, you telling me during Tubby’s month long stay in London for the Olympics and Paralympics, he wasn’t able to have a debrief with Erke officials? No, rather spend more public money to go to China (business class of course) for another holiday and I just wonder how many SASCOC officials or family members have gone with him this time?
Yet, SA swimmers are told to pay for part of the costs if they want to go to the FINA World Short Course Championships in Turkey later this year.
Where is the SASCOC police?
Are they also hiding behind bus stops and bushes trying to catch drivers on their cell phones for a little extra Xmas pudding?
In April this year, the Sunday Times were made aware of the SASCOC abuse of funds and I was told by the editor that week that they were about to blow the lid on all of the abuse but they were just waiting for one more piece of information regarding Tubby and co’s travels to a volleyball meeting in Africa.
Five months later and still no SASCOC abuse of funds story in the Sunday Times.
I have repeatedly emailed the editor and also left messages for editor-in-chief, Ray Hartley but got no reply from either.
Last week Tuesday, the Daily Dispatch, a member of the AVUSA group (the same as the Sunday Times) published a story about the abuse of funding in the sports ministry and spending on the Olympics.
Two days later, the Daily Dispatch issues a retraction and apology, saying the report included inaccurate facts and analysis.
Hmmmmmmm…
Back at the other ranch, sports minister Fikile Mbalula has been engaged in a war of words with suspended Cricket South Africa (CSA) CEO Gerald Majola for calling him an apartheid-style minister.
Mr Mbalula said, “we want to place on record that we stand by our decision to intervene in Cricket SA when we received alleged reports of mismanagement, fraud and dereliction of duty.”
Mr Minister, how much more do you need to receive re: SASCOC before you call for an independent inquiry?
24 Feb 2013, 00:56 am
@cab-595: it takes a little aggression to fck up all your fake self delusional attachment to merciless killing as a civilized humanitarian activity … dumb fcking ignorant scientists that take life indiscriminately and call themselves the high priest know it alls of life and randomly selected dimwits who think conscious creatures were evolved in creation to satisfy their blood lust.
24 Feb 2013, 01:00 am
@kaksioek-602: who is reading all this kak.. you over in goolongwanaland digging your head into all this politico disingenuous garbage with the view to discredit those at the helm of the franchise who if they succeed will be the direct threat to your socceroos playing in last bastion of imperialism country?
Is this where you ply all your attention to seek out a reason to perpetuate your inherent hatred for Luke and his father Cheeky?
24 Feb 2013, 01:00 am
Kings deserve their win and they be v good for SA rugby and the country which is the most important thing.
I’m not so sure about all the so-called and chosen ones, but you believe whatever grabs your fancy. The stand they took was a just one, but I know others that have taken the same stand without enriching themself from the process.
24 Feb 2013, 01:03 am
603 your aggression ain’t fkd up anything, makes me do the opposite out of sheer principle, I only listen to something if it makes sense.
24 Feb 2013, 01:04 am
SASCOC is sicker than sick
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South Africa’s IOC executive member, Sam Ramsamy, celebrated his 75th birthday at a four star hotel in Umhlanga at the weekend. A birthday bash attended by the SASCOC big wigs, other high profile people, some Olympic athletes and the SASCOC PR team.
I applaud some of the work Mr Ramsamy has done for SA sport but who gives SASCOC the right to use public monies to pay for guests, airfares, hotel accommodation and of course the extended stay for some to watch the AFCON game between Bafana Bafana against Morocco in Durban?
Wouldn’t surprise me if they paid for the party as well but my calls and messages to the hotel were not returned.
SASCOC may have got in before me.
It is just sickening how SASCOC continue to spend on themselves and friends while the majority of SA sporting codes and athletes are suffering.
One hand continues to wash the other and I’m disappointed in Mr Ramsamy, who as an IOC executive member, should be making sure SASCOC runs a clean ship.
Chances of that happening are slim and none and slim just left town.
Mr Ramsamy and SASCOC CEO, Tubby Reddy go back a long way and the former even wrote the letter of support for Reddy when he stood for president of Africa Volleyball (CAVB) in 2011.
Mr Ramsamy wrote: “Tubby Reddy has now become one of the most respectable leaders of Sport in South Africa, the African continent and indeed the world.“
I’m going to throw up!
Mr Ramsamy, volleyball in South Africa has been completely destroyed by the complete lack of Mr Reddy’s ability and ethics. From being a premier televised sport 10 years ago with annual world series events taking place, we can’t even get 20 men’s teams to compete at a national championships!
Is that good leadership?
He should be collecting UIF but instead, he is rewarded with the position of SASCOC CEO.
Ironically, Reddy only got six out of a possible 47 votes at the CAVB election – the only other candidate, Dr Amr Elwani got 41 votes and was re-elected. So much for one of our most respectable leaders on the African continent, never mind the world. Needless to say, a whole SASCOC delegation went over to Sudan for the CAVB elections and no doubt a good time had by all with public monies.
Spike!
“SASCOC’s new spokesperson”, Shane Keohane, tweeted from Durban at the weekend: Durban you have been an excellent host to honour a legend who has given his all to SA sport. Happy 75th Birthday to Sam Ramsamy
How does Shane Keohane, a New Zealander who has been in SA for a few years and with no PR experience, know what contribution Mr Ramsamy has made to SA sport? Give me a break.
A “proudly South African” SASCOC spokesperson, just like the Olympic clothing deal with the Chinese manufacturer, Erke.
Shane Keohane has seemingly assumed the position of SASCOC’s PR spokesperson, taking over from his brother who resigned in disgrace just before the London Olympics. Still to this day, no tender for the SASCOC PR account, which SASCOC awarded to HSM and Gideon Sam’s old “Bok” mate, Mark Keohane.
In September last year, Mark Keohane tweeted: Gideon & Tubby. I had pleasure of seeing the work put in over 4 yrs. Stay strong, stay united. There’s not a better Pres/CEO combo
Keo, come up for some air!
No doubt, you’ve seen a recent upsurge in Luke Watson PR and “good” publicity. Luke apologising for his Afrikaans insult and saying the Lions have been treated unfairly with Super rugby relegation.
Well, the spin doctor, Mark Keohane is Luke’s agent but when exposed that he wasn’t an accredited SARU agent, he quickly threw the hospital pass to brother, Shane, as the cover up.
The HSM stable also “own” the SA Rugby magazine to aid their spin but SA Rugby (SARU) have conveniently turned a blind eye.
In short, SA Rugby is not the registered trademark of HSM and if they use it they should be paying SARU a rights fee – which they haven’t. SARU also paid HSM a stipulated annual amount to produce Fifteen and other publications.
They’re all in bed together.
So, you can see why SARU never took any action against Keohane for being an unaccredited agent and why I got hogwash answers and lies from SARU to a number of my related questions in a previous column.
More importantly, SA sport is in turmoil due to the failings of SASCOC.
One of SA’s sporting greats, Ernst van Dyk just recently resigned from the board of Cycling SA, saying: “The glimpse I got into the politics in sport at the recent SASCOC elections also gave me second thoughts on any plans for future involvement in the administration of sport. I had no disillusions about my chances of getting elected and I only went through the process as I wanted to see how these things unfold.
Unfortunately what I witnessed during that process with certain last minute withdrawals of candidates to not split the votes on other candidates and then those late withdrawals simply got co-opted on to the board at a later stage was very informative and I now understand it’s not a place or a space where I want to be or function.”
Yes, SASCOC “fixed” the election and Gideon Sam is getting caught up in his own lies.
Then you hear how top SA sprinter, Anaso Jobodwana, had to spend two nights at the airport in Portugal on his way back to university in the US after the London Olympics because SASCOC didn’t organise a flight for him.
This makes my hair stand up (the little I have left) and it’s nothing short of an absolute disgrace.
Rumour has it that after AFCON 2013, SA will have a new sports minister. Please let it be someone who knows about sport and is willing to implement a full forensic audit of this “sicker than sick” SASCOC gravy train
This current SASCOC administration cannot be entrusted to take our athletes to Rio in 2016!
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24 Feb 2013, 01:06 am
good on the Kings
sad about the bile spewed on this site
I thought SAffas would be pleased with the result; but apparently not
24 Feb 2013, 01:08 am
@Te Rangatira-596: The Watson aspect is the main dividing reason that mostly Natal and Pretoria based rugby supporters hate the Kings
If you look deep into the backbone of those two franchises you will see that huge percentages of their player bases are educated and developed in the EP region.. Bulls and Sharks are the two franchise who plunder the EP youth developed players and offer them big futures through their own high stakes money created academies…
If EP under Cheeky Watson is successful then Bulls and Sharks will become the two franchises most hard hit by that region becoming independently successful of their mercenary activities..
Beside that there is still a huge ideological rift in this country where rugby is regarded as the game played and aspired to by the privileged based heritage of upper crust white dominated schooling and cultures.
24 Feb 2013, 01:11 am
@cab-606: you need to visit a few more abattoirs you stupid intolerable dumb delusional unscientific schmuck.. then the penny might drop as to what a barbarous uncivilized backward killing merciless blood thirsty killer you actually are…
24 Feb 2013, 01:14 am
@kaksioek-607: you spinning yourself a pretty story to try corroborate all your inherent hatred for Luke Watson and his pa Cheeky… pity for you they may just become successful at their endeavor.. I wonder where that might leave all your unfounded hatred hanging then?
24 Feb 2013, 01:15 am
Olympic spokesman Mark Keohane quits amid *** and drugs claims
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Celebrity rugby writer Mark Keohane resigned suddenly on Friday as spokesperson of South Africa’s Olympic team – hours after M24i confronted him with allegations that he abused drugs and was a *** pest.
Former female employees of Keohane claimed he suffered from “sad gross cocaine addiction”, used prostitutes and sexually harassed them.
Over the past two years several have approached the Commission for Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration (CCMA), claiming they were unfairly dismissed.
They claimed they were sexually harassed by Keohane and alleged they had witnessed him using drugs.
The allegations against Keohane are currently being widely distributed among sport writers and are being tweeted about on Twitter.
On Friday afternoon, three hours after M24i confronted Keohane, he replied and said he had informed the CEO of SASCOC, Tubby Reddy, that he was resigning as spokesperson for the Olympic team and that he would not be going to the Olympic Games any longer.
He has also resigned as publishing director of Cape Town-based Highbury Safika Media (HSM) with immediate effect.
Keohane was in charge of 30 magazines and the leading website keo.co.za. More than 700,000 vistors from 220 countries visit the site every year.
He is also the writer of several books and has been South Africa’s sports journalist of the year.
Keohane told M24i there was an “agenda” against him and that he could not allow “disgruntled and malicious former employees, one of them who was retrenched, to undermine the credibility and integrity of either HSM or SASCOC.”
Female employees have claimed that they were sexually harassed and were victims of his erratic behaviour allegedly brought about by drugs.
Their allegations include:
-That during the kick-off game of the Super 14 series in 2010, he sexually harassed an employee and allegedly tried to kiss her. Keohane had said afterwards he had only asked her for a date;
-Keohane wrote off his car in November 2009 after he allegedly went on a two-day cocaine binge;
-He apparently tried to “change his ways” after the accident, but was a month later back using cocaine;
-One woman said in a statement: “I realize that I have been like an abused woman. I have been put through hell and back by having to accept the blatant illegal use of drugs. I have had to sit back and allow my female staff to be sexually harassed, which breaks my heart and makes me ashamed as a boss.”
- During SA Breweries’ annual sports awards in 2009 in Johannesburg, Keohane and several other sports writers snorted large amounts of cocaine before the function. Afterwards, they had hired three prostitutes for the night.
Another of Keohane’s former employees, who occupied a managerial position, said it was well-known that he was often “totally off his face” as a result of his excessive cocaine use. She claims that she had an emotional breakdown as a result of his erratic behaviour towards her.
Keohane has been a controversial figure since his days as communications manager of the Springbok rugby team under the ill-fated regimes of trainers Harry Viljoen and Rudolph Streauli.
He resigned after a racial incident involving the Springboks Geo Cronjé and Quinton Davids. He started keo.co.za and sold it to HSM.
Keohane and HSM were also involved in a partnership with former Springbok coach Jake White – Jake White’s Winning Ways, but the relationship disintegrated and ended in the Cape Town High Court.
Keohane is widely involved in other business enterprises of HSM, among them managing Springbok flanker Luke Watson, who was brought back from the United Kingdom to the Eastern Cape to captain the Kings.
Since 2008 HSM and Keohane had a contract with SASCOC. They do all the publicity for SASCOC and South Africa’s Olympic team. The contract is said to be worth R12 million.
Keohane said he had engaged lawyers to deal with the allegations. He added: “I have nothing to answer for in relation to the said allegations of former employees.”
Tubby Reddy of Sascoc said the contract was between them and HSM and not with Keohane as such and that HSM had nominated Keohane as spokesman.
Reddy said if the allegations against Keohane were true, “such behaviour is certainly not in terms of SASCOC’s image, nor that of any of its athletes”.
HSM CEO Kevin Ferguson said Keohane was a valued and productive member of staff and his numerous awards attested to that.
He said the company regarded the allegations as extremely unfortunate and that there was clearly an opportunistic element to them.
Ferguson said he could not comment on allegations of cocaine abuse, but said that a complaint of sexual harassment was made against Keohane two years ago. He was asked to take leave, it was investigated and the issue was resolved.
“It is strange that they are surfacing now, more than two years later,” Ferguson said.
24 Feb 2013, 01:16 am
http://www.m24i.co.za/2012/07/09/sa-olympic-boss-changed-story-communications-deal/
24 Feb 2013, 01:17 am
@cab-606: this cold blooded insensitve murderous killer thinking its in a position to determine what makes sense and what don’t… you don’t have the faintest idea about what makes sense and what doesn’t you like a blind raving blood thirsty senseless conditioned killer and you reckon you can know what makes sense in life and what doesn’t…
24 Feb 2013, 01:17 am
There’s so much out there, it’s unbelievable. Kiwis: Just Google Keohane, SASCOC, Kings, Watson and find out what is really going on here. It’s quite unbelievable.
24 Feb 2013, 01:18 am
Get a life its beyond midnight, you wont change peoples minds just like I wont by writing to counter you kaki
Once the Watsons arent so involved in SA rugby will you then be ok with the Kings? If so you are s certified puck. Stop clogging posts up with utter boring bull s h i t e
24 Feb 2013, 01:18 am
That is simply not true Skopskiet
Are you honestly arguing that the bulls and sharks dont want the kings to succeed because it will take away there feeder system? That’s complete rubbish.
There are many white rugby supporters that do that want the kings to fail because it is associated with transformation, this has nothing to do with team affiliations but purely racist leftover remnants. Many of these ppl dislike the Watsons on similar grounds.
There are others tho who are also very weary of the various motivations at play and the manner that deals are made and brokered. The ends supposedly justifying the means and all that goes with it.
You pick your own heros, but mine are cut from a v different cloth.
24 Feb 2013, 01:18 am
@skopdiekan-611: Unmoved, I imagine?
24 Feb 2013, 01:19 am
@kaksioek-612: keep it going boytjie.. you spin doctoring yourself into oblivious delusion.. thinking you can pin your hatred at some people because they represent the antithesis to your inbred colonialist separatist hatred.
24 Feb 2013, 01:21 am
How SA Olympic boss changed his tune over communications deal
Submitted by jeannevdm on July 9, 2012 – 12:49 pmNo Comment
JEANNE VAN DER MERWE and ATHANDIWE SABA
SOUTH Africa’s Olympic president Gideon Sam misled the public about a lucrative communications contract awarded to media firm Highbury Safika Media (HSM).
In April, Sam – president of the South African Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee – said on Radio Today and DStv that HSM had tendered for the contract, speculated to be worth more than R12m, but this month Sascoc admitted after an access to information request by Media24 Investigations that the contract did not go out to tender.
Listen to Gideon Sam’s to Sportsfire host Graeme Joffe
The admissions have sparked questions over why Sascoc, the official representative of the country’s sports codes and which, according to its latest available annual report, is a beneficiary of nearly R12m in taxpayer funding and nearly R50m in lottery funding, falls outside government procurement laws.
A director in the firm, Mark Keohane, resigned his job as publishing director and as HSM’s appointed spokesman for the Olympic team last month following allegations about drug abuse and sexual harassment of female colleagues.
HSM is contracted to run and populate Sascoc’s website and publish the quarterly magazine Road to London 2012.
Asked by Sportsfire host Graeme Joffe whether Highbury had tendered for the contract, Sam said: “They did. They did.” (see below for full comments)
However, Sascoc’s Jean Kelly, a manager in CEO Tubby Reddy’s office, told Media24 Investigations: “This matter was not put out to tender and we are not obliged to do so, but we conducted our own investigations and were satisfied with the good track-record of [Highbury], and thereafter arrived to an agreement to the satisfaction of both parties.”
24 Feb 2013, 01:22 am
@skopdiekan-619: Believe what you will. But if you actually look into it, you will be surprised. Goodnight.
24 Feb 2013, 01:22 am
606 you saying you don’t like biltong or what ?
Stop talking ****, even vegetarians love biltong, everyone knows that
24 Feb 2013, 01:23 am
@skopdiekan-609: “The Watson aspect is the main dividing reason that mostly Natal and Pretoria based rugby supporters hate the Kings”
Another fib.
Do you remember when Newlands vociferously booed one of their players? One Puke Twatson?
Get off your “its a Natal and Pretoria” horse, hypocrite.
24 Feb 2013, 01:24 am
{{{{ Teenager Petersen stars as debutants Kings stun Force :
PORT ELIZABETH: Teenager Sergeal Petersen scored two tries as the Kings of South Africa made a dream Super Rugby debut on Saturday with a 22-10 victory over the Force.
Petersen made a seamless transition from schools to provincial rugby union by touching down in each half as Kings turned a 10-5 half-time deficit into a 12-point victory before a jubilant 35,000 crowd.
“You cannot ask for better than this,” said Petersen after being voted man of the match, “and a big thank-you to everyone who supported us. We played as a team and that was what brought us victory.”
Former Cheetahs centre Andries Strauss took over as skipper when Luke Watson was injured and he revelled in the win as the Kings made a much better start than many South Africans expected given the inexperience of the squad.
“This was a match we had to win so that the public would support us and the players would believe in themselves. We have worked hard since last November and now we must fix the mistakes we made and try to win some more matches.” }}}}
Choke on that you subhuman bunch of racist haters and thus big time losers.
Now why don’t you all just gather your guns and f’ ck-off from Africa. Who needs such a pathetic lot?
24 Feb 2013, 01:25 am
Actually I got no hero’s none in the rugby fraternity at least..
The Watsons are simply human like everyone else.. but if you want to start comparing humane and human traits and underhanded activities and determinations.. I reckon the Watsons are no worse.. and quite possibly a whole lot better than most of those who hate and despise their Christian principled guts….
They hate the Watsons because they dared to stand up against the encrusted racist ideology that was festered and bred through rugby like the religious indoctrinated ideology of white supremacy principles that it was founded on.
24 Feb 2013, 01:26 am
@ET.-624: but you’re not even in Africa?
24 Feb 2013, 01:28 am
Yeah the gdam Christians and huiliges with all their values from the pulpits are the first ones you gotta watch – if ever there’s a warning sign, it’s the ou doos who starts to ascend the mount for a sermon, then u can almost bet your bottom dollar, then what follows is bound to be bullshit.
24 Feb 2013, 01:28 am
Ah Luke watson you biscuit! dude was phenomenal for the time he was on the field. ok maybe “phenomenal” is stretching it but given the context of the team and his role as captain his effort was immense.
The kings were supposed to get an asswhopping of epic proportions – i guess they didn’t get the memo/txt/tweet or facebook message or whatever.
I wonder if Luke has a blinder of a season will he get the call up to the boks? HM will be in tight spot to leave him out
24 Feb 2013, 01:28 am
@Tuna-572:
Why do people hate the Watsons?
If it is because Cheekys vision to get super rugby into the eastern cape…noone should fault him for his passion to do so. Everyone wants a job and have a passion or two and there should be nothing wrong going for what you believe is right and work.
If Cheeky got there because someone else was lacking should we not focus on the poorly prepared!
Cheeky has a belief and he has worked the administration – who is benefitting? I believe the Kings are and if he is doing so in the interim – well – good on him! the Lions had many years to sort their politics and administration out bit no they were greedy and greed leads to laziness.
I think why many have chosen to have a bad taste in their mouths about Cheeky its because what he stands for – the huge history with him and politics and his anti segregation stance. Every politician calls in their chips at some stage and he stood by the ANC on their anti-apartheid vision back in the years now he is making sure this is now being followed through.
He has always been a crusader for equal rights and I read somewhere he could have been a Bok if he did not go and play for the blacks. I believe Cheeky is making sure rugby is going to be played by all. He is fighting hard to spread rugby to grass roots and this is the way to do it. Yes he is going to have a bumpy road but that is with all things new.
I think saffas need to get behind the Kings and encourage the spread of rugby to grass roots – this will be advantage RSA.
I cant help to think their is a link between peoples view of the Kings and Cheekys history. Yes the SARU administration was a disaster but one cannot fault Cheekys desire to continue to do the work what he set out to do way back when he left school. Take rugby to the masses even if it is to bend the noses of the minority and in this case he had to and he forced the government to help him.
Many blacks will thank him but many whites will choose to continue to have the bad taste in their mouths – those who will thank him are the majority!!!
That is why I think it could be racism!!
24 Feb 2013, 01:30 am
620:
Did you expect anything to be done honourably?
How many within the ANC do anything based on principles(you need less than the fingers on one hand)?
24 Feb 2013, 01:31 am
a thoroughly good win for the Kings and hope for more to come so that they can incorporate more local players.
24 Feb 2013, 01:34 am
@ShaunB-623: I sat in the stands that day.. and it was a pathetic indictment on the feeble boorish dumb and backward thinking brandy and coke swilling punks the likes of you who haven’t grown up beyond your backward thinking brainwashed boorish petty hating barbarism ..
was me and a Muslim rugby player from the old saru days when PdV and him were classified as second class citizens so they couldn’t play in the white mans leagues sitting there and listening to some neanderthals from behind the biltong and brandewyn curtain booing their own
24 Feb 2013, 01:41 am
@wallabie.-629: strange that a woolongonian can see what so many saffa who got the wool over their eyes cast by colonial entrenched upper crust political leanings cannot…
Cheeky and his son might just succeed where so many dyed in the entrenched old political hierarchic traditional wool archetypes could not… that will be a sour bile sore stuck in their unbending and hate indoctrinated craw..
24 Feb 2013, 01:42 am
I find it sickening, embarrassing and entirely pathetic how people kept bashing the Kings on the blog throughout the game. They are still South Africans and for that alone deserve our respect and support.
I’m truly embarrassed if this is the rugby culture we have in South Africa. Truly pathetic and indicative of what is really wrong with our country. Disgraceful in every respect.
Excellent stuff from the Kings!
24 Feb 2013, 01:46 am
@wallabie.-629: Thank ****… someone who isn’t brain dead.
The hatred for the Watsons stems directly from inherent racism that people are simply too afraid to let go of. Someone’s always out to get the poor Afrikaner!
24 Feb 2013, 01:46 am
It’s not strange at all – it’s exactly what’s been sponged to him via the media – it’s a thoroughly understandable viewpoint – precisely like why Charlie Perkins should not be given all the land rights he always claimed which white Australia stole clear away from them all in inflicting nothing short of a genocide on the aboriginal people’s of Australia. Then again, that’s just my simplistic take
24 Feb 2013, 01:48 am
626:
Are you so confused to not know the world is a stage?
Have you ever read anything about a global economy? Do you understand the word global?
How many different passports do you own? I have a single bottle green covered passport.
I was barely a month ago in my home in Cape Town and was home(SA) for more than 8 weeks. Much of that time was spent in the E.Cape. Which of the above can you claim?
When uncle Sam is tired of paying me a salary then I will spend more time in my home but you have long to wait yet..
24 Feb 2013, 01:53 am
well the white degenerates from Europe who came to colonize Queen Elizabeth’s draconian empire and convert it all to the new white religion called Christianity knew no better .. they all thought that everything not born with a white skin was an uncivilized abomination to be subdued and exterminated.. hence they found it relatively easier to accomplish in scantly populated indigenous populations like north America and Australia.. but not so easy to do in Africa… to commit rampant genocide as is the want and desire of this homosapien called ‘civilized man’.
24 Feb 2013, 02:14 am
How the rest of the global rugby community sees The King’s inspirational captain, even presently:
” Luke Watson came to Bath for a fresh start in English rugby, and after all he’s been through it was an understandable move. He insists he wasn’t hounded out of South Africa, but life there had become horrendously uncomfortable.
For the past two-and-a-half years, the rugby community in his homeland have cast the 26-year-old back-row forward in a number of unwelcome roles — hate figure, scapegoat, political pawn, anti-patriot and a player out of his depth. Never the good guy, always the villain in a vicious pantomime.
The whole sorry saga would fill a book, but in summary it goes like this: Dan ‘Cheeky’ Watson, Luke’s father, was a rugby player in South Africa who came to prominence in the Seventies as a white wing who rejected the chance to represent his country in order to take a stand against apartheid, competing in non-racial competitions to draw attention to the plight of the then voteless black community.
24 Feb 2013, 02:24 am
@wallabie.-629: Hallelujah now we getting racism preachers from the land of Oz. I guess you guys got the credentials though. You are fighting the corner of the wolves in sheepsclothing dude. They are the ones that cant let go.
24 Feb 2013, 02:28 am
@ET.-637: There you go again Eugene with your delusions of grandeur. On the worldstage nogals, ons het so gelag.
24 Feb 2013, 02:42 am
Jet
Very poor attempt!
There are bad apples in every tree buddy but once there are more good apples only then wil the tree’ s perception to produce good fruit will change.
Unfortunately on this topic of the Kings the hate towards them is bad apples and lots of it if we read the saffa forums. Why?
24 Feb 2013, 02:48 am
So William Shakespeare’s ” .. the world’s a stage” in As You Like It becomes your ” On the worldstage nogals,”
Don’t stop laughing but do look into the mirror as you do so for the joke is on you lot as you further delude yourselves by invoking the ‘spook’ of your ‘great leader’, Eugene Terre
‘Lag maar lekker’
24 Feb 2013, 02:52 am
@wallabie.-642:
Unbiased eyes, as yours, see many good things and say them too.
The Jets have a culture of bad apples only unfortunately. History and decades of isolation have so shaped them
24 Feb 2013, 02:58 am
@wallabie.-642: Personally I do not have a problem with them but read some of the stuff Kaksioek got on them ( the watsons) and decide if you would want them at your party. I am just so sick of the racecard in SA it pollute everything and everybody and grensvegters like ET and skopdiekan just make it worse. Corruption and incompetence is the new apartheid that needs to be adressed for this country to not tear itself to bits but these dinosaurs are still fighting their personal crusades from the safety of their sofas.
24 Feb 2013, 03:03 am
@ET.-643: I would not quote Shakespeare my geleerde vriend, if you really know his works and understand it you will realise that he is mostly taking the p out of wannabees like yourself. ons het so gelag.
24 Feb 2013, 03:11 am
@jet jungle-645: good post. both skopishit and ET preach against racism but it doesn’t take much to realise both of them are obsessed with race and are, simply, racist dinosaurs. The kind that SA will be better with once they have passed on.
24 Feb 2013, 03:11 am
@ET.-643: Jammer ET uit jou geleerde gebrabbel het ek gedog jy probeer ironies voorkom, die bruin Eugene maar ek besef nou dit was dalk a bridge too far. Vir my sal jy altyd die onverskrokke held van soweto wees.
24 Feb 2013, 03:18 am
@ShaunB-647: Exactly the poisoned apples that poisen the rest, left and right ingraining the divisions not realising that nobody is going to gain anything positive out of this.
24 Feb 2013, 03:35 am
645
It’s going to be a tough job weeding out the good and the bad but time will always expose people’s agendas whether good or bad.
24 Feb 2013, 03:40 am
Go the mighty Kings, if they can knock over some of the bigger name SA teams at home that’ll be just fine.
24 Feb 2013, 03:48 am
Jy kan geen taal hier goed hanteer met jou skryfwerk, maar jy wil ironies voorgee dat jy ‘slim’ is?
Lag maar weer, maar jy weet wat jy moet doen voor jy begin ou kallvoet klong.
Jy kan nie die gekskeer nie want jy is die GEK. Dra daai hoed nou mooi, toe?
24 Feb 2013, 03:51 am
@wallabie.-650: True bru
24 Feb 2013, 03:59 am
@ET.-652: haai Eugene eks nie die een wat hier probeer slim speel nie maar as jy my so ervaar voel ek gevlei. Se my egter hoe onderskei jy jouself van n ou soos Eugene. Wat maak jou anders.Ek bespeur n bitter swak selfbeeld wat homself probeer verdoesel met n valse geleerde gepoetsheid. Die verskil tussen my en jou is ek lag as ek in die spieel kyk en jy ,jy haat. Aanvaar jouself en die res res sal in plek val.
24 Feb 2013, 04:52 am
Hats of to the Kings.
Well played and well won….. did better than my Canes
24 Feb 2013, 05:10 am
pedigree is packaged as dog popo-374:
Paying slave wages(like the grape farmers whose “point” you saw) to your poor “servant” makes you non-racial? Your mere emotional ploys do not fool me.
Exposing your version of racism(its neo- at best) never renders me a racist just as no Nazi hunter from Israel or anywhere else becomes a Nazi by exposing the Hitlerites in S.America.
Your spoilt brat raising renders you so full of yourself that on any social issue you are hardly able to see the wood for the trees hence your consistent confusion backed up with lies(are you still “coloured” – your sick British ethnic tag).
How would you ever know your written and quoted following when just on a rugby level you know just the racist version from your racist past and history? :
“.for the right reasons.”
” in their corner for all the wrong reasons….see? ”
Tell me then a little more wrt the “wrong reasons” (if you even ever know) about W.P. Rugby Board, City and Suburban Rugby Union, Tygerberg Rugby Union, W.P. Rugby Union(Bo-Kaap -to help you), S.West R.U., Boland R.U., W.P. Country Districts R.B. etc., etc.
Or tell me about your “right reasons” wrt Kwaru (let alone their clubs like St. Cyprians R.C., Union R.C., Spring Rose R.C.etc.), Sedru, E.P R.U., Border or their venues(dust bowls some) like Dan Qeqe Stadium, Adcock Stad. and more.
Do you even know the real history of the Watson brothers?
Dan ‘Cheeky’ Watson plus brothers Valence, Gavin and Ronnie came over to the non-racial rugby fold of the only genuine non-racial S.A.R.U.(not your neo-racist version of this era) by joining the Spring Rose R.C. Only Cheeky and Valence were good enough to play provincial rugby for Kwaru consistently, but Gavin and Ronnie never made it really.
You can lie and make light of many things but eventually because of your ignorance and confusion and utter stupidity the FOOL is only you.
What you surmise you “find sad” is totally irrelevant to me as a single non-racial entity but I am not interested in any of your childish cliques.
Or are you just trying to inform those mysterious, nameless okes that your newest fetish is “buttcrack licking”
Why not tell them directly yourself as you, only you, seem to know who they are and whether you catch their fancy?
Your confusion grows astronomically each time I make an appearance and that is not even daily, as you do.
Where am I now supposed to be, in P.E., S.A. or C.T., S.A. or somewhere on the East or West coast ,S.A. or maybe the U.S.A.(which U.S.A – the Union of or the United)?
You are a joke but unfortunately a pathetic one at that.
Why not ask me about “colustrum”(sic)? Are you aware that you are too very old to need the protection of the antibodies that babies need in their first 6 months on this globe? You are going for the wrong Igs and other macro-molecules as you are closer to the opposite extreme of life you old hag.
24 Feb 2013, 05:23 am
Having written off the Kings I have been served a cold stodgy helping of humble pie that I must now consume. Having said that I’ve written a lot of articles but none I’m more proud of than this one.
http://fantasyrugbyscout.com/2013/02/24/humble-pie/
24 Feb 2013, 05:41 am
pedigree dog popo-402:
” It’s sad that another traditional region got the boot, as it would be poetic and right for the traditional and historical Saffa powerhouses: ”
Do you even know what point you want to establish precisely here as you juxtapose the one with the other such as one does with good against bad, respectively? You are just too shallow and too superficial to make any meaningful rugby point.
The Transvaal Rugby Union was mostly a rotten, bully, money union buying respectability and trophies and especially so in the days when run by an even more odious president, Louis Luyt, racist to his very core and heavily linked to the ‘saintly’ Broederbond .
Even when not officially serving as president his top man and right hand man, one De Beer, was the then long time head of the Afrikanerbond(BB under a different name).
Transvaal R.U. reaped the ills(money and more) of the seeds they sowed, simply.
You would do yourself and your ilk a huge favour by simply keeping your non-thought through(to its logical conclusions) notions to yourself ensuring less embarrassment. But then with that brattish upbringing that is impossible, not so?
Realise also, except for venting, your notions are worthless and meaningless in today’s S.Africa.
You are a number, a mere ugly number and your fanciful vote is rendered meaningless and worthless in a sea of much bigger numbers.
24 Feb 2013, 06:03 am
This is how the Observer saw and presented Dan Watson in 2008:
” Watson rejected the honour of playing for the all-white Springboks in 1976, preferring to join segregated black teams on dustbowl township pitches at the height of apartheid. Challenged to practise his Christian convictions by a black journalist, Watson also coached a black township side, refusing the offer of a cap and a place on South Africa’s tour to France in exchange for turning his back on black rugby.
For Afrikaners, this was heresy – and against the country’s apartheid-era race laws. Some were determined to make Watson pay for insulting the famous green and gold jersey.
His home was firebombed by white vigilantes after he entertained black players there. He was shot at in the street and his business burned down. After taking his team for training, he had to escape a white mob outside a Port Elizabeth stadium by lying on the floor of a taxi.
Watson joined the then illegal African National Congress in 1978. His brother, also a rugby player, was an intelligence officer for the ANC. They were followed by secret police and shunned by white friends. ”
This is a mere drop in the ocean but this is why very many millions of Blacks respect his and his families’ involvement and commitment to the struggle for human dignity for all. He was prepared to lose all for them, including hid life.
But he embarrassed those apartheid lovers too and they still hate, even today as a S.African franchise from the E Cape beat an Australian franchise with many more years of Super rugby exposure and experience than the locals.
You cannot buy passion, motivation and commitment, however.
24 Feb 2013, 06:15 am
@ET.-659:
ET that was very enlightening….Thanks
24 Feb 2013, 06:20 am
Right now there are a few hundred club sides around the globe that could whip the Force.
What is all the overreaction about?
24 Feb 2013, 06:35 am
@Predawn-661:
They played like a kiwi side spun the ball wide and scored some great tries, it should be celebrated and the rest of SA’s teams should look to learn from that as their attacking play is pathetic.
24 Feb 2013, 06:37 am
Head is eina this morning as the red wine flowed in celebration of a passinate and committed performance by the Kings…..Luke Watson lead magnificently for the first 3 minutes, what a player and captain he is!
My huge congratulations to the Kings, no matter how difficult it gets if you boys play with the same dedication and guts then you will get the respect you deserve…..Solomons and Luke take a bow, that was simply awesome! The Stormers could do with a dose of that team spirit!
24 Feb 2013, 06:39 am
@Te Rangatira-660:
And now Twatson has landed with his bottom in the gravy coach and is riding the elitist train for all his worth. Instead of hiring the most talented young up and coming black players and developing them, he’d rather skip to the best part and hire foreigners, effectively putting four local lads out of contention.
His son, influenced by the Marxist doctrine of his father, made the ultimate faux pax and declared that he would gladly vomit on the sacred Springbok jersey, and in one foul swoop prejudiced himself by becoming enemy number one in the eyes of the South African rugby loving public. This comment my Kiwi friend, came years and years after the fall of the Nationalist government, which makes this politically incorrect statement moot. For a lad with an oh so posh accent and the best education that money could buy, this comment smacked of arrogance. One could day he is a chip off the old block.
The South Africa of today is sick and tired of these wannabe political armchair activists. The time for sabre rattling died in 1994. The time for Twatson to put his rhetoric into practice is now.
The Eastern Cape breeds brilliant rugby players. One has to ask why Twatson keeps bypassing the hard graft to take the easy way out of everything.
24 Feb 2013, 06:42 am
@NZINCHINA-662:
Lets see what happens when they play a proper rugby team. Those imports had better perform.
24 Feb 2013, 06:44 am
@Predawn-665:
Sure agree but they played well and scored tries, it must have been the kiwi coaches influence lol, were you happy with the Sharks first outing?
24 Feb 2013, 06:45 am
666 that’s no good.
24 Feb 2013, 06:48 am
@NZINCHINA-666:
Man I didn’t see the game. I will see next weeks one though. Sounds like the Stormers, Sharks and some other teams are still shaking off the rust.
You are right about Kiwi coaches though. Their influence (and I put Mitchell in here)is invaluable.
24 Feb 2013, 07:00 am
@Predawn-668:
Yip early days but this Kings thing rightly or wrongly has spiced things up and that has to be good for the comp, I think they play the Chiefs next week that will be the acid test for them.
24 Feb 2013, 07:16 am
@Predawn-664:
I was unaware of the sacrifices Cheeky and his family made during the Apartheid era….So he’s reaping the benefits of befriending the Powers of the day because of it…..why not? He has established a Franchise that has had its first taste of success on the field and their supporters are ecstatic….a positive thing I would have thought…As for developing black players from the province, it will come in time methinks…I saw a good young winger who has a big future today…..if he can bring on others like him, wouldn’t it benefit Sa Rugby?
24 Feb 2013, 07:41 am
@Te Rangatira-670:
A pity it had to come at the expense of one of the most established provincial teams in South African history. Why do the Lions not deserve to stay in the competition and have the luxury of the financial assistance of elitism like the Kings? Should there not be equality across the board or are some more equal thaan others.
I guarantee you, as shite as the Force may be, they will still be around for years to come. Why then can the Lions not be afforded the same opportunities? The Bulls and Sharks went through some lean years and they are still around. The Cheetahs are awful and have no hope of ever coming close to even a playoff but they are still around.
What you have to understand is that Apartheid is long gone…and can no longer be used as an excuse for the new elite getting richer while the poor get poorer..which is what is happening right now. The Twatsons of the world don’t give a damn who they stand on to get to the top…no matter what he did in the past. By default his big gob has put him in the position whereby he has to prove that his ‘previously disadvantaged’ struggle credentials will actually be used in a postive way. That his political connections have knocked out a historically important rugby union is a very sore point in South Africa.
How would Kiwis feel if the Highlanders were considered expendable and simply vanquished because they were not afforded financial backing by the right political heavyweights and instead a tiny island rugby team somewhere off the coast of New Zealand was created and thrown into the Super 15? It’s not a morally correct decision anyway you paint it.
People here are bitter and angry and they have good reason to be mate.
24 Feb 2013, 08:24 am
to quote the stormers fans on this forum: ” yoooo hooo”
*air punches* – multiple
what a night, the Slaghuis was cooking, Luke fired up the boys with a passionate pre-match talk & as they say, the rest is history
24 Feb 2013, 08:29 am
@Transformation-672:
Well done to all the Kings supporters. Topping the SA conference after first week for SA teams. They deserved it, especially after all the flak they have been given. Now go on and beat a few big guns…
Well done Guppy Supporters – almost went the other way but Mary’s Lambie did play well – can’t say the same for Lion import who played for the Stormers…
24 Feb 2013, 08:46 am
@Transformation-672: Congrats Transie, your boys completely won me over last night with their gees and obvious team spirit. It made me remember why I love rugby after the yawn fest between my team and the bulls.
24 Feb 2013, 08:47 am
@Transformation-672: Transie well done to your team !!!!
Nursing a headache this morning ??
24 Feb 2013, 08:54 am
@Transformation-672: Haha well done boet. You’ve taken your share of flak on here, enjoy the moment.
24 Feb 2013, 08:59 am
@stormersboy-676: Hi SB – do you know when Tiaan will be back at training ?
24 Feb 2013, 09:09 am
the headache is worth it charlie.
an emotionally charged night…love this game!
24 Feb 2013, 09:09 am
@CharlesM-677: No I don’t. Didn’t see him around last week. I’ll ask AC if I get there tomorrow,
We need to change something quick that’s for sure.
24 Feb 2013, 09:14 am
@Gumboots-673: @playtheball-674: @CharlesM-675: @stormersboy-676: thanks fellas.. i did nothing really besides cheer, scream & hound the linesman…
24 Feb 2013, 09:15 am
Goodmorning all
Hope you enjoyed this weekend’s matches as much as I did! Was really good to see all the new talent on display,here in SA and in Australasia.Now if only we could go back to a round-robin format where each team plays the others once,without this double derby nonsense and extended play-offs…
On another note,this week it’s Stormers vs Sharks again and you all remember what happened last time these teams faced off….that’s right folks,we witnessed a Sharks exodus from Keo… I see somenof those verlore haaitjies are back here but……Here we go again,buckle up mense,this week’s gonna be one helluva ride…definetely not for the faint-hearted.
24 Feb 2013, 09:18 am
Ah now these intelligence invested upright apies who lavishly helped themselves to a good helping from the tree of knowledge of good and evil pride themselves in being of sound reasoning attributes of discretionary discrimination to be able to determine which apple is good and which apple is bad from the tree of their inscrutable scruples of Christmas carol rigorous righteousness.
The laughable irony of this downright disingenuous hypocritical hypothesis is that all those proclaiming
high morally objective capacity for truth to be the very ones most vociferously entrenched in the
24 Feb 2013, 09:18 am
Multiple air punches!
24 Feb 2013, 09:18 am
Sprinter aims for London
Olympics
05 April 2011
GREY High School athlete Sergeal Petersen
has his sights firmly set on the 2012
Olympic Games in London.
Petersen, 16, a Grade 11 pupil, has
emerged as one of Eastern Province’s most
exciting young sprinters.
He won the 100m gold medal at the SA
Schools under-17 100m championship held
in Paarl last month.
He also set a personal best of 10.35sec for
the 100m during the Eastern Cape Schools
Championships held in East London last
month and has just been selected for the
SA u-17 athletics team which will travel to
Namibia for the Junior African
Championships next month.
Growing up in Humansdorp, Petersen was
an enthusiastic participant in all sports at
primary school, but he has concentrated on
rugby and athletics at high school.
24 Feb 2013, 09:20 am
Ja Rage
Maybe this time we can get rid of all of them
24 Feb 2013, 09:20 am
@Transformation-678: I bet it is !! The problem(s) will unfortunately start when you have to deal with injuries. Enjoy the moment though – I’m waiting to hear all the comments during this week about how poor the Force were / are.
Andries Strauss mentioned it that it will be necessary to keep their focus. It was a good start and important to win the 1st one but a lot of hard work still needs to be done…..and BTW the Force is really no force but as a friend always used to say “a win is a win old pal”@stormersboy-679: Thanks …that means he is still some way of starting to play. We definitely need to change something! At this stage I still stand by what I’ve said last night. I just can’t see any other solution to the problem.
What about Scarra ? Has he started yet ?
24 Feb 2013, 09:21 am
@Transformation-684: He’s got some gas that’s for sure.
Good luck to the guy. Hope he gets better and better.
24 Feb 2013, 09:22 am
@Transformation-680: But that’s your “job” as a spectator !!
24 Feb 2013, 09:23 am
Charles
The “how poor the Force are” comments are already on the first 3 pages of the thread!
24 Feb 2013, 09:24 am
@CharlesM-686: No not either. From what i can remember Tiaan will be fit sooner. I agree with your assessments. Marting must play 2, Rynard to 4, Deon to 6. Makes the most sense.
I hope the props are OK. It was a bit messy on Friday
24 Feb 2013, 09:25 am
@Transformation-684: Has he lost some pace ? I’m sure the commentators said he ran a 10,55 last year (which is still quick).
He is a real talent Transie – let’s hope the Kings can hold onto him !
24 Feb 2013, 09:29 am
@Dawn-689: yes, I’ve seen that but there will be more of that….much more this week.
IMO the Sharks are the definite favourites for this week’s encounter. The week after that we have to play the Chiefs…..like Robzim said last night, we might even be 0 from 3 after 3 matches (I really hope not……..)@stormersboy-690: I’m not too sure if they (props) were really injured. It seemed that AC pulled a “Rassie” – once again I hope I’m wrong
24 Feb 2013, 09:30 am
@stormersboy-690: Seeing that you have a direct line to AC, I think you should whisper something to that effect to him
24 Feb 2013, 09:34 am
#682 cont.
Entrenched in the crusading for maintenance of their despicable design of white elitism and racial infestations of apartheid apples of separatist ideology and sadly misrepresented value of Christian chimes of freedom.
24 Feb 2013, 09:36 am
As we say on the Flats, waarnatoe Stormers!
24 Feb 2013, 09:40 am
@CharlesM-693: Personally I’d be surprised if he does anything. Deon’s throwing problems are nothing new. Still persists with him at 2. He’s not one for knee jerk reactions. Even if they make sense.
Matt Proudfoot has to cop some flak there. He’s the forwards coach. That is on him mostly IMO.
24 Feb 2013, 09:40 am
@Transformation-672:
Trans….awesome result for your boys…good for you and the Kings supporters.
@Predawn-671:
Sorry Predawn for the tardiness of my reply…yeah, I know where your coming from and the Sa Political landscape is beyond my comprehension. I don’t live it, so don’t really know how I would cope. As you say the Apartheid years are long gone and I suppose many are trying to find where they stand in the new Sa, this uncertainty can cause anxiety and fear which leads to anger.
If for example..The Blues were dropped for a team I didn’t deem worthy…yes I would be angry, but the reality is, that would never happen here in Nz….which leads me back to the things happening in Sa are beyond my comprehension. I wish you all the best for the future Predawn.
24 Feb 2013, 09:48 am
SB: yes but then at least pick a “real” 4 lock to ensure some “easier” balls. I always had the view that when in trouble at lineout time, go to the front. Although it isn’t good attacking ball, it will at least provide valuable possession.
It seems that we are in for a long season of terrible lineouts!!
24 Feb 2013, 09:53 am
Is it just me, am I just biased (which I readily admit I am), or is there another reason? But the Sharks & Kings’ brand of rugby is refreshing, exciting & different from the boring, conservative stuff dished up by the Bulls, Stormers, & (to a lesser extent) the Cheetahs.
Can it be the NZ coaching staff broadening the players’ perspective?
IMO we can learn plenty from NZ.
Anyway, far too early to draw valid conclusions (& SuperRugby a competition always replete with surprises).
And the Kings have a draw from hell (the worst in the competition) – they’ve received less than zero favours from SARU & from Lady Luck.
For them things only get much more tough from hereon in.
But who knows, they may yet surprise some more – they made lots of friends last night, & I am really rooting for them. I hope the collective goodwill can lift them to unexpected achievement.
24 Feb 2013, 09:55 am
Well done to the Kings. Sergeal Petersen and Engelbrecht look like real stars. It felt good seeing a new team.
The Lions do not deserve any favours from anybody. If you don’t want to be bottom of the log, don’t be. I hope more franchises will contest to be part of the Super Rugby competition. I want to see a Kaizer Chiefs team, a North West team. Its time we get these mediocre Lions, Cheetahs etc teams out. These teams have been there since the start and was given millions of Rands and did nothing with it.
I keep hearing that Apartheid is over. Yes but whites still:
- has the lowest unemployment rate,
- has the best schools, facilities, etc,
- has the majority of the land and business in the country.
Apartheid is over, its legacy is not.
24 Feb 2013, 09:57 am
@Transformation-680:
Congrats on your great win yesterday Transylvania. The guys game through on “Judgement Day”.
You are officially no longer a “Fencesitter”
The Kings seem to have that Stormers “look and feel” of the late 90′s, early 2000.
The “I TOLD YOU SO’s” are coming but enjoy the moment.
24 Feb 2013, 10:00 am
@Angostura-699:
Well, they have a wiley character in Alan Solomons. Solomons was the first who picked games overseas that he thought the Stormers could win and picked his best team.
24 Feb 2013, 10:00 am
Re – the Stormers’ Lions – I was just poking fun Friday & Saturday – imo they are all good players, but some of them had a very poor debut for the Stormers – like cream they’ll rise – to want to “chop” them now would not be prudent
Stormers (*** the Lions) will come right – a classy outfit that
24 Feb 2013, 10:01 am
I like the black kit of the Kings. It worked for the Stormers, not sure why they changed.
24 Feb 2013, 10:01 am
@RugbyStudent-702: YES, you’re correct
24 Feb 2013, 10:08 am
Sounds like Dawn has that pesky old South African xenophobia disease. It’s possibly genetically ingrained in some…even on a blog.
24 Feb 2013, 10:10 am
@Angostura-703: “c_um” meaning “with” is a banned word? what is happening to our culture?
24 Feb 2013, 10:10 am
@Transformation-672:
Transie
Congrats boet
Posted earlier last night that you were probably still busy dancing in the streets, so here goes again.
Big congrats to your team.
24 Feb 2013, 10:11 am
@Jeraldjay-701: thanks jerry, all we wanted was a chance to participate. the “i told you sos” you mention will indeed come but hey that’s the nature of the beast.
24 Feb 2013, 10:11 am
@Te Rangatira-670:
The problem with the black talent from this region is that they are being developed elsewhere, where they seem to never make past age-group and vodacom cup rugby. My biggest problem with the Kings is their inability to recruit these players. Let me give you a few examples:
Luvuyiso Lusaseni [blindside flanker/lock, SA schools 2006 and SA u20 in 2008] is the same age as Wimpie wd Walt; Lubabalo Mthembu [no.8, SA u20 in 2010]; Cornel Hess (not from the region), [lock, SA schools 2007, SA u20 in 2008 and 2009] kept Martin Muller in ’08 and David Bulbring in ’09 on the bench. The latter two are now starting locks at their franchises. Sibusiso Sithole [winger, SA u20 in 2010]; Wandile Mjekevu (not from the region), [center/wing, SA schools 2009, SA u20 in 2010 and 2011]
Others have been arrogant. One example being Andile Jho, who after being selected for SA schools in 2009 and 2010 (ahead of both Francois Venter and Jan Serfontein respectively) stated that he had no desire to play for the Kings. Today he’s part of the Kings’ vodacom cup side. He too would’ve been making his SR debut yesterday, had he stayed here…
24 Feb 2013, 10:12 am
What if the Kings end up higher on the log than the Cheetahs?
24 Feb 2013, 10:14 am
Anyhow Transie – enjoy the week and the celebrations but keep the feet on the ground !!
Have a nice day all !!
Go Proteas !!
24 Feb 2013, 10:15 am
@RugbyStudent-711:
Not impossible, and judging theStormers on Friday it might be us, the bottom placed SA team must play the relegation.
Still many weeks of rugby ahead though
24 Feb 2013, 10:16 am
@RugbyStudent-700:
Perhaps it has something to do with working hard..not sitting at home while Mavis is up at 5 AM to get to work as a cleaner in some factory or domicile abode hundreds of kays away from her home..
The other African countries have a lower GDP than South Africa but still they manage to eke out a living with the will to find a way to survive…and not by knocking over cash in transit vehicles or murdering old people on their farms for a mobile telephone and a laptop.
Apartheid is a convenient excuse for the lazy and inept (read Zuma).
24 Feb 2013, 10:19 am
@nortierd-708: thanks nortie…but i told you we can take the Force.
24 Feb 2013, 10:22 am
@nortierd-713:
Gonna be interesting
@Predawn-714:
Your arguments are so invalid, its unbelievable. Your knowledge of history is selective. I need a whole day to have a discussion on this but on this Sunday, I am just happy to see the Kings and not the Lions.
24 Feb 2013, 10:24 am
@mxhosa-710: ” Wandile Mjekevu (not from the region)” how can wandile not be from the region when he was born in King, went to Dale Prep, then Selborne & got poached by KES, where he ended up @ the Lions?
24 Feb 2013, 10:24 am
@Transformation-709:
Well done to your Kings. I thought the occasion might get too big for them and was concerned about their readiness for Super rugby. But as many before me have stated, we were proven wrong. There is still a long road ahead in this comp, believe me.
But for now, enjoy the moment.
24 Feb 2013, 10:28 am
@Transformation-715:
Yep, I also thought you will win a couple, especially against the Force, then your warm up loss against Griekwas threw my brain into reverse
That result made me change my mind and I picked the wrong team by 12.
But it was worth dropping a point seeing how gutsy your boys played.
24 Feb 2013, 10:29 am
I hope the Kings end up higher on the log than The Cheetahs, so that the Lions can kick them out and mediocre coaches like Naka Drotske can get fired.
24 Feb 2013, 10:29 am
@mxhosa-710:
I would think it would take time for the Kings to recoup the players they have lost to other franchises and develop new ones…and that is where the quandary lies for the Kings as it seems time is of the essence for them with a guarantee of only one year in SR… therefore they have made the prudent decision in my opinion and gone for a team that maybe or rather has shown it can be competitive to hopefully ensure no interruption to their longevity in the comp. If this occurs, the black players and new talent will be flocking to play for the Kings. Here’s hoping we will see the first Bok player selected from the Kings this year which will show players there is a pathway for players in the Franchise to higher honours.
24 Feb 2013, 10:29 am
@CharlesM-712: feet firmly on terra firma over here.
24 Feb 2013, 10:33 am
@Te Rangatira-721: lucid response.
24 Feb 2013, 10:36 am
@Te Rangatira-721:
I think Engelbrecht will be a Bok. At 8th man, there is currently no standout but if he continues, he’ll fit.
24 Feb 2013, 10:36 am
@kaksioek-602:
Well done to the Kings.
A win in their very 1st Super rugby match.
Two more victories and they will be just as successful as the Lions during their (lions;) most successful season.
24 Feb 2013, 10:36 am
The legacy of apartheid lives on because of corruption and cronyism in the current Gov.
24 Feb 2013, 10:38 am
@RugbyStudent-724:
Yeah…hes a good prospect…would have him at the Blues…
24 Feb 2013, 10:40 am
@Fern-726:
Yes, a generation has to pass to get where we want to be.
24 Feb 2013, 10:45 am
Watching the 45 minutes highlights of Chiefs v Highlanders
WHAT DO U MEAN
Who plays rugby like this !!!
24 Feb 2013, 10:46 am
24 Feb 2013, 10:47 am
@nama1-725:
Sorry keoiskak. I don’t know what happened here.
I see that only 15 people voted for the King to win their game. Fortunately I was one of them. It saved my bru. Moved up 39 positions.
Gunther now way behind me. I’m sure he pains about that fact.
24 Feb 2013, 10:52 am
The Gospel according Luke: 22.10
Behold, The Kings are here.
24 Feb 2013, 10:54 am
Am quite looking forward to go watch my first game at the PE stadium. Beats going to Ellis Park anyday.
24 Feb 2013, 10:57 am
@cane-732:
24 Feb 2013, 10:58 am
@RugbyStudent-711:
Then the Cheetahs play against the Lions in the promo/relegation match.
@Transformation-722:
Congrats Transie…and other Kings supporters.
I can see your boys winning 3 more. Solomons is a wily little bugger.
24 Feb 2013, 11:03 am
39/2 @ Centurion
that dude Smiff Biff is a real Venus Fly Catcher
24 Feb 2013, 11:03 am
@nama1-735:
3 more victories for the Kings? The Bulls, Sharks and Cheetahs scalps would ne nice.
And Dale strikes again.
24 Feb 2013, 11:04 am
Huh? What xenophobia do I have now.
Is there a pill for it?
24 Feb 2013, 11:05 am
@Fern-726:
Well said.
24 Feb 2013, 11:06 am
@Angostura-736:
Dale now matches Allan Donald in the wicket stakes. Both on 330 – but Dale has done it in 7 fewer matches.
24 Feb 2013, 11:08 am
@nama1-739:
These Pistorius’s are going to cost us taxpayers a lot more cash. Have you seen the story on news24.com?
24 Feb 2013, 11:09 am
Jinne predawn you can darem lol with me.
24 Feb 2013, 11:09 am
@I am a stormer-740:
Great performance, AD readily admits that Dale is the greater bowler
24 Feb 2013, 11:15 am
@Angostura-743:
His wicket strike rate is the thing that makes him head and shoulders above everyone else right now.
24 Feb 2013, 11:24 am
congrats to the kings and their supporters, that taste of egg on a few faces must be sweet
SA rugby is still K@k though
24 Feb 2013, 11:29 am
@I am a stormer-737:
Now, that would be great.
@I am a stormer-741:
Just seen it now. Was busy reading it when I see your post. Don’t think there would’ve been much in it if it wasn’t for Oscar’s case. Just formalities in a case like this, I believe.
Carl Pistorius up for culpable homicide
2013-02-24 10:09
Pretoria – The brother of Paralympian star Oscar Pistorius is facing a charge of culpable homicide and was set to begin his trial last week.
This was revealed by e-News Channel Africa (eNCA) on Eyewitness News on Sunday morning.
Carl Pistorius was allegedly involved in a collision with a female biker in 2010.
His trail would have started on Thursday, a day before his brother was granted bail in the high-profile case against him following the shooting death of the athlete’s model girlfriend on 14 February 2013.
A legal representative confirmed that Carl’s case was postponed to March and said he was confident Carl Pistorius would be acquitted. (news24)
24 Feb 2013, 11:32 am
@the curse-745:
You won’t be saying that if the Kings scalp the Blues, would you now?
24 Feb 2013, 11:33 am
Marchand de Lange…Kyle Abbott… Rory kleinveldt…
Fast bowling stock looking good for the next few years.
24 Feb 2013, 11:37 am
@skopdiekan-525: and Ryecatcher.Born in Umtata
24 Feb 2013, 11:37 am
@Angostura-743:
Amla said he is their “master blaster” in an interview before the test started.
Remember that he took his 300th test wicket in his 61st test. Four tests later he is on 330 as we speak.
Great bowler.
24 Feb 2013, 11:39 am
@Transformation-717:
Thanks man, didn’t know he was poached from Selborne. Bendi nqa ba nguMxhosa otheni lo waseJHB udlala irugby…
24 Feb 2013, 11:39 am
@skopdiekan-525: In other words
who cares.? All South Africans
24 Feb 2013, 11:50 am
Forgot to congratulate the Loftus faithfull on Friday for their behavior when the opposition kicks at goal.
Well done, no boos or jeers and the chap on the PA actually asks them to refrain from doing it.
Maybe that’s what threw Elton off?
Now if only some of the supporters who visit other stadiums can also learn to do that
Again, well done to the Bulls, Sharks and Kings.
Nice to start with a win
24 Feb 2013, 11:59 am
What a debut by Sergeal Petersen!!! Player of the Craven week just LAST YEAR and MoM in his 1st senior match.
Let’s hope Jan Serfontein can do the same when he makes his debut at S15 level.
24 Feb 2013, 12:03 pm
@Dawn-685: Hi Dawn.Have a good day.
24 Feb 2013, 12:07 pm
@I am a stormer-747: wouldnt make a difference
SA rugby is k@K
24 Feb 2013, 12:12 pm
@nortierd-753:
Had a look at the replay of the Stormers match the next day. We all know the set pieces were a major area of concern. But I don’t think it is all doom and gloom just yet. There’s nothing that can’t be fixed.
To my mind, the lineouts are a crucial area to be worked on this coming week. Deon Fourie is clearly battling there. Your linout throwing has to be spot on especially when we have one of the best lineout exponents in world rugby. Lineout throwing is an art that has to be practised over and over because that is a source of primary possession and gets the loosies onto the front foot.
AC must realise that throwing into the lineout is not a pie throwing contest.
24 Feb 2013, 12:18 pm
@nama1-754: when i mentioned to some here that sergeal signing a 3yr contract with the Kings while being aggressively chased by moneybags from the “big unions” was already a coup for us, the usual suspects jumped in & claimed that them signing the “son of the prince of wings” was more newsworthy.
our local boytjie came through with flying colours…
24 Feb 2013, 12:19 pm
On the Sharks thread:
209.Dusky: Reply to this comment
23 Feb 2013, 19:05 pm
@nortierd-204: Unfortunately you had to go with your team which is understandable. I flippin hope you didn’t pick the Kings ? Sentiment is one thing, but reality is another. They will not beat the Force, unless a miracle happens. Are the Kings getting 15 points to start each game with ? They have been given so many other concessions, I would hardly be surprised.
I wonder if he will show his face today.
24 Feb 2013, 12:23 pm
@I am a stormer-757:
Yep, still a long way to go.
When will Tiaan or Scarra be ready.
I like the look of Scarra and would like to see him in the Super Rugby.
I like Deon and he did a great job in the CC, but he was out of his depth Friday
24 Feb 2013, 12:26 pm
@Transformation-758: would he have gotten a start at any of the other franchises?
Not on your nelly.
Great start by the young man and he has a great future ahead of him.
24 Feb 2013, 12:27 pm
@nama1-759:
Lol, I answered him on that.
I picked the wrong team by 12, but it was after the Griqua loss by the Kings that I started doubting them against the Force.
As for picking my side, wasn’t just loyalty, I went for the Bulls last year and got bit in the @rse, then went for Sharks in CC final and got another cheek bitten off.
I overestimated us and underestimated the Bulls.
Was a terrible weekend of predictions for me, only got the Brumbies and Sharks
So peed off I already put in my week 3 picks, reckon I can’t do worse
24 Feb 2013, 12:31 pm
@nama1-754: If Sergeal Petersen had been bought by the Usual Suspects, the Sharks or the Bulls, but even by the Stormers, Cheetahs or Lions, he would’ve just had to fall in line in long queues of gluttonous waste – being bought simply to deprive their competitors any prospect of utilising his talents.
The poor lad’s talents would probably have gone to waste & never been fully recognised, & after a year or two of disillusioned waiting, if he had any sense, he would’ve had to do as CJ & some others had to do, & “pak his koffertjie” for Ireland, Scotland or elsewhere …
That is the wastefulness of SA Rugby’s big 2 talent poachers – unlike a sensible hunter or fisherman they greedily over-exploit resources far beyond their own requirements, leading to long-run degeneration.
Hopefully other young talent will notice the fast-tracked opportunity the Kings’ elevation to SuperRugby has afforded Sergeal, & in due course avail themselves of this as well.
But it is not just the youngsters: the Brumbies franchise was started with mostly players surplus to Tahs & Reds’ requirements, & look where they are now – hopefully the diaspora of ex EP, Border & SWD players that fall out of favour will reverse as well.
24 Feb 2013, 12:33 pm
Poops when last have you had a date?
24 Feb 2013, 12:34 pm
@Transformation-758:
I saw that spat between you and our “blond, blue eyed Aryan” brother.
Wonder what he’ll say now. I guess it will be along the lines of, “but it was against the Force.”
24 Feb 2013, 12:35 pm
@Angostura-763: sharks should get him on a swap deal with Odwa.
24 Feb 2013, 12:41 pm
@Angostura-763:
Well said.
Young players need to realise that they have to build their own brand 1st in order for them to earn the big bucks. Look at a guy like Pollard who played Craven Week with Sergeal last year. reportedly earning more than R50k per month at the Bulls with only matric behind his name. sergeal probably earns less than a third of that but he is currently running with the big dogs.
That;s the way to go. Start small and build up from there.
24 Feb 2013, 12:46 pm
Watching the highlights of the Sharks/Cheetahs game.
Hondo probably enjoyed the try by Johan Sadie when he glided through between Beast and Mvovo.
24 Feb 2013, 12:50 pm
@Angostura-763:
Well said… And the biggest losers are EC youngsters, unfortunately.
24 Feb 2013, 13:10 pm
Angosutra is the only guppy supporter on this blog with any level of credibility. The other whitey arsehole degenerative denialist creeps like the apartheid riot cop pretending he’s an upright Christmas carol epidemic of virtuosity along with the snooty nosed colonic snake eye arsetralian white rugby for whitey only punky pricks are a dead and dying species in S.A. rugby circuits. Thank the good Lord of Christian upper crusading virtuosity for that.
24 Feb 2013, 13:14 pm
the boy has only played one game vs the force, just want to put that out there before some here think i’m annointing sergeal as the beezkneez…
24 Feb 2013, 13:16 pm
@Transformation-771:
You know what Transie
Good for him
Abbott has only played one test for the Proteas and is doing very well, so people are hailing him as the next best thing, so why not Seargal too?
The kid did great and long may he continue.
24 Feb 2013, 13:16 pm
They won a rugby match – that’s it. That’s all.
It’s not about how one starts, but how one finishes.
I sense a big fall about to come – perhaps this victory first ip was not the mana from heaven its proclaimed to be. Big tears yet.
24 Feb 2013, 13:16 pm
@nortierd-760:
Stormersboy had some answers quite a few posts back – reckons Tiaan will be back before Scarra. The latter underwen surgery so I don’t expect him back any time soon.
24 Feb 2013, 13:18 pm
@JohnSmit123: Just watched my recording of
Kings game,great start and how awesome
was that eastern cape crowd,32 000!!!
Amazing!
24 Feb 2013, 13:19 pm
@I am a stormer-774:
Pity, I like his enthusiasm and the way he plays.
Well if Tiaan can come back soon and not break down again, hopefully the line outs will go better
24 Feb 2013, 13:20 pm
That’s Angostura…not ‘Angosutra’ numbnuts.
24 Feb 2013, 13:22 pm
@cab-773:
I think most of the Kings supporters know that they will lose much more than what they will win.
That however is no reason NOT to celebrate the victories if/when they come along.
4 wins out of 16 will be a great achievement for them imo.
24 Feb 2013, 13:25 pm
@nama1-778:
Yes one must embrace mediocrity at every opportunity.
24 Feb 2013, 13:25 pm
Super proud of the Kings players. You go boys!
24 Feb 2013, 13:27 pm
@Transformation-775:
Was just about to ask if you know how many people there was at the game.
32 000!!! All of them Kings supporters.
It took the Lions three years to get that many Lions supporters to Coca Cola Park.
24 Feb 2013, 13:30 pm
@Predawn-779:
You mean like playing a Lions team that cannot win a single match?
That’s not mediocrity. That’s just plain piss-poor.
24 Feb 2013, 13:30 pm
@cab: indeed; it’s just one game BUT it is one game more than many of the so-called “honest rugby supporters” said we would win…remember d.ick muir’s 2010 lions? 13 played 13 lost.
24 Feb 2013, 13:42 pm
@ 783 trans
Exactly.
24 Feb 2013, 13:44 pm
Nama – def worth celebrating, but now expectations are high – 4 from 13 I think is way too optimistic, I thought they might sneak the first one on emotion but thereafter its going to be barren. But it’s a helluva win and worth celebrating.
Transfornation,
I dunno who the socalked honest rugby supporters are, whether the lions, bulls or kings win 1 or 0 matches a year seems largely irrelevant to me.
24 Feb 2013, 13:46 pm
@Transformation-783:
Enjoy it, you have the bragging right for 2 weeks, you are top of the SA Conference by deserving to be so, so anyone begrudging you your celebrations have sour grapes.
I have egg on my face, but you know what, we can still make an omelette with broken eggs so I am happy for you guys.
24 Feb 2013, 13:48 pm
@skopdiekan-770: Morning Skoppie. I didn’t watch the game but woke up this morning to the tremendous news. Fantastic, eh.
24 Feb 2013, 13:50 pm
@Transformation-783: EXACTLY!
24 Feb 2013, 13:54 pm
@cab: largely irrelevant to you maybe but not in the context of the conversations/arguments that dominate this forum.
as you were…
24 Feb 2013, 13:54 pm
2002 bulls played 11 lost 11
1999 bulls played 11 lost 10
2000 bulls played 11 lost 10
2002 sharkishits played 11 lost 10
2005 sharkishits played 11 lost 10
2002 lions played 11 lost 10
2004 lions played 11 lost 10
2006 lions played 11 lost 10
2010 lions played 13 lost 13
Anybody celebrates mediocrity gotta be supporting of those pathetic excuses of rugby capital capabilities.
Kings already surprised and surpassed Ghent feeble mediocrity dished up by bulls of 2002 and lions of 2010.
IN their FIRST GAME in SR !!
All they gotta do is draw or win one more game this season and they outrun the feeble useless mediocrity performed by Sharkishits of 2002 and 2005 plus all the mediocrity performances by Lions and Bulls through all the other years they scrubbed the bitter bottom of the log through only winning 1 measly mediocre game the entire season. And this After all their professional money profiteering and all their super rugby status was afforded all the opportunities to be better than they were.
The apartheid riot regimes register of duplicating intentions and indignation is the most feeble excuse for white rugby mediocrity in this country over the last decade and more.
24 Feb 2013, 13:57 pm
All i’m saying is its v easy to support a winning team – talk again after game no 5, If all still so supposedly ebullient.
24 Feb 2013, 14:02 pm
@skopdiekan-790:
Skop, you have the stats and no one can disagree with the past.
The difference, and it is a big one, is that those sides never had to play potential relegation matches when having their worst seasons.
If the Kings win another couple and surpass those sides you showed in win ratio’s, they still have the potential of not making it next year if they finish bottom and lose the relegation matches.
Therein lies the biggest problem for them
24 Feb 2013, 14:02 pm
Yeah mikeybrass #787
It’s a mighty cause for jubilation and celebration in spite of all the whitey doom and gloom anti Watson ant Kings anthem of choruses being sung by the professional products of promotion of mediocrity the Sharkishits sing along choruses and the bully brethren brekgats with the leeuser lions singing along in duplicating harmonic mediocre misery.
24 Feb 2013, 14:06 pm
History has been completed distorted as well.
The lions won the s10 in their second attempt – they’ve been in the currie cup for half the time as compared to ep and have won far more trophies, ep has never won a currie cup, ever – those are the facts if one wants to look at history.
24 Feb 2013, 14:08 pm
@Transie, congrats boet! 30k in the stadium, well done EC, Pe. Transie , the supporters must be there in numbers every home game, hope the kings marketing guys are working at that?
24 Feb 2013, 14:08 pm
@cab-791: this is my team, win or lose…i will be here after the foretold 50pt pastings…we are playing super rugby & noone can change it.
24 Feb 2013, 14:09 pm
@nama1-778:
yes, I posted on more than one occasion, that I anticipate the Kings to win 2, maybe max 3 matches this S15, plus pick up a few bonus points along the way. (bakkies replied that I’m an eternal optimist)
That could imply they avoid the S15 wooden spoon (but not necessarily so). I also stated that I don’t see the Kings avoiding the SA Conference wooden spoon (if they do, that would be a massive surprise). Lastly, I had previously mentioned that for the Kings, S15 2013 is an opportunity to learn, develop & gel as a team & to adjust to the demands of top tier rugby, so that comes Jul they are far more street smart & formidable than now so that they can be in with a fighting chance of beating the Lions in the promotion relegation play offs & thereby securing their elevation to S15 status, & THEN enabling them to implement their medium to long term plans for non racial rugby development in the feeder areas of the Southern Kings.
Meantime 2013 is all about S15 survival for the Kings, & they’ve only cleared the 1st of many hurdles – the play offs likely the final, main & toughest hurdle.
24 Feb 2013, 14:10 pm
What was concerning for me in the last 2 matches of the weekend was the massive difference in the application of the 5” rule. Kaplan forgot all about it and Lourens had a half-second rules, especially when the Force were in possession. Is this going to be another season where referees are inconsistent and spoil the game?
24 Feb 2013, 14:10 pm
Suurgat/bitterbekke everywhere today…esp the deluded lions supporters. Lol!
24 Feb 2013, 14:10 pm
Yes Norte Kings have been sold a dummy
Stormers were relegated in 1996 as a result of finishing out the top 4 in the domestic CC competition
None of Sharkishits Bulls or Lions or Cheetahs who have all finished stone last in previous competition had to defend their protected SR status with a promotion relegation play off at the end of the season. Had it been equal horses for courses then they most likely would have all been subject to at least a season or longer out the comp in the doggy box when their outright mediocrity was at its most prevalent.
24 Feb 2013, 14:13 pm
trans – yes I believe YOU will and those 50pointers are going to cause alot of in-fighting in a region renowned for it, and that’s when the test will come.
24 Feb 2013, 14:13 pm
Another 3 day skittle sticks, sic,
test for the Proteas.
I should have gone today, tomorrow will be too late
24 Feb 2013, 14:16 pm
@cab-785:
With the Aus teams not putting that much emphasis on forward play, I think the Kings have a chance against their teams for another win.
They may even surprise one of the SA teams in P.E. Historically, the Blue Bulls got moered regularly in P.E. in the past by EP..
I think they are good for 4 wins.
@skopdiekan-790:
Those stats made for sad reading indeed.
The supporters of those teams obviously suffer from selective memory loss seeing that most of the anti-Kings brigade seem to be coming from those franchises.
24 Feb 2013, 14:16 pm
@Slappes-795: to be honest a lot of people – peripheral rugby watchers – were doubting whether we were even ready for SR. i offered colleagues of mine tickets some poliltely had excuse not to go but in earnest they didn’t see what i was excited about…
the marketers have a big job on their hands…
24 Feb 2013, 14:16 pm
@cab-794:
I take it thats a well done to the kings from Cab…
24 Feb 2013, 14:17 pm
Yip I wanna see all these faux-kings supporters in a few weeks time still pretending they such great fans. Mark this thread down. You won’t see a fkn sausage in their defence when they getting banged up – watch.
24 Feb 2013, 14:18 pm
What the Kings did yesterday was to make some of the other teams sit up and take notice.
Maybe even revise their thinking about facing them with a weakened, or rested, team.
24 Feb 2013, 14:19 pm
@cab-806:
Seems that is the case with your national team….i have seen some ugly comments on here about the Boks and coaches and players. Kings well be no different
24 Feb 2013, 14:21 pm
@nortierd-807:
Yep….but the other teams will be thinking ” thanking the lord, that they were not the first team to lose to the Kings “….so the pressure will be off.
24 Feb 2013, 14:22 pm
Early days but it looks like trophy number 12 coming up for the NZ boys, too much skill too much pace.
24 Feb 2013, 14:23 pm
@skopdiekan-793: Couldn’t agree with you more.
24 Feb 2013, 14:25 pm
@cab-806:
Cab, the majority of bloggers are not King supporters and still aren’t, but some of us are glad for the real King supporters and are really enjoying their delight.
If the Kings play the Stormers, I will still support the Stormers against them, and if the Kings win the match, I will still support the Stormers, but will congratulate the Kings on their victory.
IMO, what they managed yesterday is more than just winning a game of rugby.
We expect to beat the Force and some of the weaker teams and have become so blasé about it, maybe we take these wins for granted, who knows?
Yesterday the Kings showed that it is a huge achievement to win, so I hope some of our other teams take note and realize you must work for a victory
24 Feb 2013, 14:28 pm
@goyougoodthing2-798:
it’s disturbing to say the least.
i watched the Bulls and Kings games (even though technically i swore off super rugby) and from what i saw i have deep reservations about the standard of reffing and any consistency, so far. lets not even get started on the tmo’s.
well, briefly on the tmo’s i will say i find it hard to believe the Bulls try was legitimate. the whole point of giving the tmo extended powers was to deal withthis sort stuff wtf?
for the Kings game i can say the ref and support staff should be assesed by a technical committee because the general flow of decision making was alarming throughout the entire game.
from what i have heard of the Kiwi refs they have as usual given their teams free reign to to whatever the fark they want on the field (even though this is why the rules have been changed in the first place, because of them). this is of course the biggest danger which this tournament faces as the Kiwi sides are by far the biggest cheats and will once again sink this ‘World Wrestling Rugby Enterntainment’ show its expected farcicality.
the SA teams fortunately do not cheat anywhere near enough to expose the so far not too good SA refs, ar’s and tmo’s.
24 Feb 2013, 14:30 pm
Who’s a faux kings supporter dummy f’ng faux fckface pseudoscience creeps who can’t see sh’t for faux false fallacies of kicking a good cause for the sake of your inbreeding of racial hatred. You dumber than dumb idiotic f’ng two face creep. Some true saffa soul supporters have been backing Kings inclusion in spite of all your spineless spindles of spreading anti sentiments of pathetic pitiful political agendas to uphold and appease the outright mediocrity you been so attached to for all these mediocre years of professional protection racketeering.
24 Feb 2013, 14:30 pm
@Hurricane-809:
Maybe Cane…. You have a point, but I still think the next few games against the Kings some coaches might revise their thinking.
@NZINCHINA-810:
Judging by the 1st round only, looks like it, but 20 rounds is a long time
24 Feb 2013, 14:36 pm
Party by all means but don’t slag off other teams to do it, the lions have a long and proud history and from a rugby viewpoint are far more deserving than ep who are not even in the currie cup – griquas beat them. The sharks have continuously been one of SA better teams and the bulls have won the tournament three times.
So whether a team wins 0, 1 or 2 games per season is irrelevant – the kings have my full support, it’s the correct decision that they get a franchise to develop player talent in that region, but don’t try make the case that they were more deserving on rugby ability grounds because that simply is not true – there 100 years of currie cup history to support any historical statistics you care to produce.
24 Feb 2013, 14:38 pm
These fuckwit pretending there won’t be a sausage of supporting kings when chips are down are the outright chops in the choruses of **** singing the kings demise because some **** look for mediocre excuse to perpetrate a fallacy. Some here have been supporting kings against all the denialist denigrating for the better part of the SR song and dance routine.
Mark down this post.. see who’s a true believer in equal mediocrity for equal measures after all the fat laden ladies have sung their last choruses.
24 Feb 2013, 14:40 pm
@skopdiekan-817: The tragedy is that the Kings have already done better than the Placid Cubs and yet may well be the team which features in the relegation match at the end of the season, while the Cubs got off scot free for over a decade!!!! The Kings were royally screwed over.
Come on Kings!
24 Feb 2013, 14:41 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-813:
“(even though technically i swore off super rugby)”
What does this even mean?
24 Feb 2013, 14:44 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-813:
this is not to say the SA refs, ar’s and tmo’s shouldn’t be exposed.
of course the standard should be lifted.
24 Feb 2013, 14:45 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-813:
Here you go again.
Seen as you dont watch the games, where do you get off calling the kiwi refs cheats?
24 Feb 2013, 14:46 pm
@nama1-819:
Every game I pick the wrong side I swear AT Super Rugby.
This disastrous past week end I had plenty to swear at.
24 Feb 2013, 14:46 pm
@nama1-819:
you know, i’m not supposed to be here commenting in the first place.
24 Feb 2013, 14:46 pm
@nortierd-815:
Yeah suppose no one wants to be the second team to lose to them
24 Feb 2013, 14:47 pm
ag get fkd you reactionary overhyped twatass. You’ve already destroyed any semblance of what passed as discussion on this website, so carry it right on. Idiotic demagogue.
24 Feb 2013, 14:48 pm
@Hurricane-821:
glad you asked.
two things really,
1. the scoreline for all the Kiwi games seems rather suspicious and,
2. i asked two or three of the bloggers here and their testimony was pretty damning.
24 Feb 2013, 14:49 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-820:
Bakkies, the only standard that should be lifted is the standard of our play.
This past weekend showed that the NZ teams are light years ahead of us regarding skill and attack.
I don’t know if they will manage to play like that against our defense orientated teams, but regarding spectator value and enjoyable rugby, we are a poor second to them.
24 Feb 2013, 14:51 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-826:
well there we have it.
The scoreline and 2 or 3 people told you they cheated……. lol.
I heard the Bulls team cheated most the game by 4 people but i have my own mind and decided that i didnt see the game and did not pass judgment…..maybe you should as well
24 Feb 2013, 14:54 pm
Well i am out of here.
Once again another thread has been turned into Kiwis cheating…… pathetic really the insecurity some people have.
24 Feb 2013, 14:55 pm
@nortierd-827:
if you constantly cheat and the ref was predisposed to constantly blow… there would dissapear your spectator friendly spectacle flow…
simply put:
1. we know they cheat.
2. if the ref was to blow they would not have had a high scoring spectacle flow.
i am amazed by the extent to which their WWRE anctics continues to dupe and enthrall so many seemingly smart rugby people.
24 Feb 2013, 14:55 pm
@cab-825:
Do what I do..go right past. I can feel my IQ spiralling downwards just glancing at the childish mess.
24 Feb 2013, 14:56 pm
@Hurricane-829:
Cheers Hurri
You know it’s not all of the bloggers.
Sorry about your team, I put my Superbru curse on them, so am really disappointed they lost
24 Feb 2013, 14:58 pm
@Hurricane-829:
you dont have to take everything so personally, Hurri
this is not an attack on your country and you are not ‘Captain Nz’.
i hope you’ll have a good day all the same though,
cheers
24 Feb 2013, 14:59 pm
@Hurricane-828:
i believe the Bulls were the better team on the day and by rights should have won regardless but I for one am most disturbed by the tmo awarded try to the Bulls.
24 Feb 2013, 15:03 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-830:
Luckily I am not a smart rugby person Bakkies.
My Superbru position on the log will attest to that.
TR is nr. 1 after week 2, a great achievement, so he can speak from a position of smarts.
I love watching the game, and in my stupid opinion, there are few teams that play the game better than the NZ sides.
The. Chiefs v Highlanders was brilliant to watch, and considering it was their first outings made it even more remarkable.
The Blues v Canes was also better to watch than anything our derbies served up.
The Sharks v Cheetahs got exciting at the end, but only because the Cheetahs don’t seem to realize when they are beaten.
The SA side I enjoyed the most was the Kings, their guts and determination grew on me as the game went on.
24 Feb 2013, 15:04 pm
@nortierd-832:
Thanks Norti…. i know its not many bloggers that accuse all of our rugby as cheating rubbish….just a couple, Bakkies and his alts.
But yeah i was hoping for a Canes win but it was good to see the Blues get back into it. Canes always start slow at start of season but if we just managed to hold a few balls in that game then i think things would have been different but thems the breaks
24 Feb 2013, 15:05 pm
regarding the cricket on at the moment, is this live or hilights?
one never knows these days.
24 Feb 2013, 15:08 pm
@nortierd-835:
i’m glad for you, Nortie.
the Kings game was definitely enjoyable but to an extent but i was constantly left uneasy by the reffing.
24 Feb 2013, 15:14 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-837:
Live
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-838:
Watching a rugby game to see the ref should be reserved for the ref’s wife only.
Honestly, who cares about the ref?
24 Feb 2013, 15:23 pm
Nortier
Pooper carries on about SA rugby being k ak.
Bakkies carries on about the keewees supposed cheating.
They are cut from the same cloth.
24 Feb 2013, 15:26 pm
@Fern-840:
Ja Fern
They have a Ross/Rachel from Friends relationship.
They complete each other, they will obviously disagree, but it’s like an old married couple.
Can’t live with each other, but also can’t live without each other
24 Feb 2013, 15:28 pm
Imagine the s ex if they ever do meet up.
24 Feb 2013, 15:31 pm
@nortierd-839:
when the indiscretions are so bad it ruins the outcome of a game, i do.
@Fern-840:
thanks Fern.
————–
anyway thats the last you’ll hear of it from me
i’m done with Super Rugby
CC, every test other than the AB’S (except when they play the Boks) and a few Bulls Super games on the quiet is all i’ll be commenting on.
24 Feb 2013, 15:32 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-843:
Pity, the SR is going to be epic
You should stick around
24 Feb 2013, 15:37 pm
@nortierd-841:
@Fern-842:
24 Feb 2013, 15:39 pm
Bakkies is a whiny sourp uss one trick pony,better he shuts his gob.
24 Feb 2013, 15:39 pm
@nortierd-844:
no, for everyone’s sake and mine, i shouldn’t.
the tmo trial law ammendments already look like a waste of time.
24 Feb 2013, 15:41 pm
@Fern-846:
i have never been rude to you, Fern..? ..
24 Feb 2013, 15:44 pm
Bakkies being rude or not does not matter.
You are tedious and I am just giving my opinion.
Cheers all,have a nice Sunday.
24 Feb 2013, 15:50 pm
@Fern-849:
Cheers
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-847:
Dis mos nie die moeite werd nie.
Dis amper soos cut your nose to spite your face
Kyk die games om die rugby te geniet en that’s it.
24 Feb 2013, 15:58 pm
For the record and because it is historical and mostly for the PAIN it inflicts on all the haters, racists all – history has absolved the TRUTH :
Joint
Brumbies 2 2 0 0 54 19 35 0 9
Chiefs 1 1 0 0 41 27 14 1 5
Kings 1 1 0 0 22 10 12 0 4
Blues 1 1 0 0 34 20 14 1 5
Pool SA
Kings 1 1 0 0 22 10 12 0 4
Bulls 1 1 0 0 25 17 8 0 4
Sharks 1 1 0 0 29 22 7 0 4
Cheetahs 1 0 0 1 22 29 -7 1 1
Stormers 1 0 0 1 17 25 -8 0 0
It cuts a good picture and it hurts everybody who hates sometimes
24 Feb 2013, 16:45 pm
@nortierd-850:
ek **** jou Nortie en waadeer die advies maar nee dankie vir my.
dis vir my te mooilik om die flippin games te geniet waneer soveel konstante en deurlopende gekullery uitgevoer word tydens die spel.
dink van dit wat jy wil en jy’s natuurlik ook vry om dit te sien soos jy wil, maar vir my is dit n klug.
anyway, that is the absolute last and final word on the subject from me.
moving on…
24 Feb 2013, 16:47 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-852:
ek **** jou = ek h o o r jou
24 Feb 2013, 16:54 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-852:
100%
Beteken nie dat jy nie kan online kom en strooi met ons praat nie
24 Feb 2013, 16:58 pm
Innings win by the Proteas, what a fantastic summer of test cricket they produced.
Well done
24 Feb 2013, 17:01 pm
Fantastic achievement by the Kings. Sergeal Petersen had an awesome debut. I just wish the Kings weren’t associated with money-grabbing leeches like the Watsons and the Keohanes.
24 Feb 2013, 17:01 pm
Well done Proteas. 3 – 0 says it all really. No wonder they’re top of the pile.
Despite some who say:
“It cuts a good picture and it hurts everybody who hates sometimes.”
24 Feb 2013, 17:14 pm
@nortierd-854:
hahaha
dit sal my plesier wees.
alhoewel ek effens bekommerd is oor Hurricane se welstand
24 Feb 2013, 17:16 pm
yip
well done proteas
24 Feb 2013, 17:18 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-858:
Ha ha
Hulle welstand is jou skuld.
Jy spring mos sommer met albei voete in.
Maak asof jy by die Kaapse see is, dip net eers een toon in
24 Feb 2013, 17:20 pm
Well done Graeme Smith and your team.
6 victories in a row now, I believe. Still a long, long way away from the record set by Steve Waugh’s Aussie side (17, I think).
Also, congratulations Graeme on 50 victories as captain.
24 Feb 2013, 17:32 pm
Sheet, Scotland leading Ireland 12 to 8 with 6 minutes to go
24 Feb 2013, 17:39 pm
@nortierd-860:
ja nee, jy’s reg… ek sal dit volgende keur doen.
saggies saggies is somtyds beste
24 Feb 2013, 17:42 pm
Good win by the Scots.
Jockbok will be chuffed.
24 Feb 2013, 17:45 pm
@nama1-864:
He’s not here as regularly as before. But I think he reads our nonsense more often than he posts.
And he would definitely have doffed his cap at the Johann Sadie try. Well, I did anyway.
24 Feb 2013, 17:46 pm
@nama1-864:
My 6 Nations miss pick for the round
Was smiling when Ireland was 8 nil up, not smiling now
24 Feb 2013, 17:59 pm
@I am a stormer-865:
He made a brief appearance when Scotland won their 1st match.
@nortierd-866:
There’s always that one game that messes it up.
24 Feb 2013, 18:04 pm
@nama1-867:
Too true
Or in Super Rugby week 2 of 2013, always 5 games that messes it up
24 Feb 2013, 18:06 pm
@nortierd-866:
@nama1-867:
for that reason i am amazed Hondo can make a living out of sports betting.
i dont think i’ve ever gotten all my weekend picks right.
i suppose if you lower the odds and bet on two or three teams at most it should be possible to win.
24 Feb 2013, 18:11 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-869:
I take my hat off to someone who can make a living out of that.
I get to emotionally charged up, strip my moer te vinnig
I prefer Sun City, so am going there this weekend.
Will watch the matches, but no Internet, so I went and put in my picks for round 3 last night.
No clue who is injured, who is playing and who isn’t, just went with a dartboard and gut feel.
Can’t be worse than this week when I tried to think about things.
24 Feb 2013, 18:13 pm
Nortier!
I got a call from undercover WO saying he is investigating car theft syndicate where cops may be involved.
24 Feb 2013, 18:14 pm
Very hush hush
24 Feb 2013, 18:15 pm
@Dawn-871:
Damn, that is bad.
Do they think they were responsible for your father’s theft?
I hate these rotten apples who make everyone look bad, I hope they catch the b@stards Dawn
24 Feb 2013, 18:16 pm
@nortierd-870:
sounds good, enjoy the weekend.
i’d wish you luck on your picks but who’re we kidding… it probably aint gonna happen
24 Feb 2013, 18:17 pm
Levi on fire, hope he continues and stays in
24 Feb 2013, 18:18 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-874:
Gaan skuit
Watch my, as VB 105 plekke kan opskuif dan kan ek ook, kan nie laat hy my klop nie
24 Feb 2013, 18:21 pm
@nortierd-868:
I was lucky to get 4/7.
24 Feb 2013, 18:26 pm
@nama1-877:
4 is good, some surprises that happened this week.
Don’t think anyone got a grand slam
24 Feb 2013, 18:31 pm
That car is gone for good but at least I hope they catch the guys
24 Feb 2013, 18:36 pm
@Dawn-879:
I really also hope so Dawn.
Life is hard enough without having to have some sorry sons of b 1tches coming and making it even harder.
24 Feb 2013, 18:40 pm
@Dawn-879:
Don’t get your hopes up.
When my bakkie was stolen in Kuilsrivier, they only took a statement and that was the last I heard of that case.
24 Feb 2013, 18:48 pm
Cobras smashing Dolphins
Where’s HG and ShaunB when you need them?
Feel like talking cricket with them
24 Feb 2013, 18:51 pm
Interesting article written by Alan Dershowitz, the lawyer that successfully defended OJ.
This weekend, Oscar Pistorius is walking free in South Africa. The prospect of being caged in prison has receded, at least for the moment.
The double-amputee Olympic athlete has won bail – but at what cost to his future liberty?
Beyond his sporting prowess, Pistorius has been a national hero, an inspirational role model, and, above all, a global celebrity.
Yet that could prove his downfall, as Pistorius, like so many celebrities, is focused on living for the moment. By securing his freedom today, he may have taken a huge gamble with his future liberty.
It is, perhaps, the fatal flaw of a celebrity in the legal cross-hairs: a fixation on the immediate repair of their tarnished image, rather than a long-term strategy best suited to their ultimate freedom.
I have represented dozens of celebrities in the US – professional athletes, film stars, mega-wealthy tycoons, musicians and political figures.
People ask me all the time: Does being a celebrity help or hurt the case? Well, sometimes it helps, sometimes it hurts, but it is never irrelevant.
Representing a celebrity poses distinct challenges to a lawyer. Celebrities often care more about today than tomorrow. They are concerned about the immediate impact of the case on their image.
Pistorius’s image is worth millions of dollars and every day that passes reduces that value.
I am certain that he instructed his lawyers to get him out on bail now, even if that meant compromising his longer-term chances of freedom. The best proof of that is the unusual affidavit he signed, laying out his defence in some detail.
He was not required to do that, but I’m certain his lawyer told him that he would increase his chances of getting bail if he put forward a plausible defence. However, there are great risks in submitting an affidavit before all the forensic evidence is in.
Scientific evaluation of the crime scene may show inconsistencies with the defence proffered in the affidavit. That would hurt Pistorius further down the line.
Alan Dershowitz said the Pistorius legal team went into unusual detail in his affadavit in a bid to win bail
When a celebrity is placed on trial, the legal system often becomes distorted. This is true even in a country such as South Africa, which does not have trial by jury. Professional judges, though they often deny it, are also influenced by their perception of the defendant, which they have garnered not from the evidence, but from the media and from watching the celebrity perform.
Judges go out of their way to pronounce from the bench that they will not be influenced by the defendant’s notoriety. Methinks they protest too much.
When I represent a celebrity, I base my actions on the belief that celebrity matters. Oscar Pistorius is not only a celebrity, he is a beloved son of South Africa; a man who overcame significant handicaps; a hero.
Celebrities’ lawyers are often too anxious to please their clients and sometimes sacrifice professionalism in the interests of not being fired. I’m not suggesting that filing the affidavit in Pistorius’s case was an example of this, but I am saying that the defence lawyer should have been darn sure that his client was telling him the truth before he allowed him to lock in his story so early.
Most lawyers would not have submitted such an affidavit. But the defence attorney knows more than I what is in the public record and may have made the right decision.
In granting Pistorius bail, the judge drew attention to the affidavit – so the trial lawyer’s tactic worked in the short term.
Only time will tell whether it will work in the long term.
24 Feb 2013, 18:52 pm
@nortierd-876:
ons gesels maar weer volgende sondag
24 Feb 2013, 19:04 pm
@Jeraldjay-883:
Oscar and sport celebrity crimes on Carte Blanche now
24 Feb 2013, 19:46 pm
Fern
you seem to spend a lot of time worrying about my life.
maybe if you spent more time worrying about your own you wouldn’t need to fake your death on a blog would you Lazarus
and your comment re bakkies and I. really? so you spend your time thinking about two male bloggers having se.x together? wtf?
you’re on the wrong site
try
takingtheboystothedam.com
might be more up your alley so to speak
24 Feb 2013, 19:52 pm
@the curse-886:
Howzit going Pops.
See TR is nr 1 this week, that’s a huge achievement.
You are also well placed.
Bad enough that your sides stuff us up, now we must face seeing you fellows doing the same
24 Feb 2013, 20:22 pm
@the curse-886:
you tell him, Pops
24 Feb 2013, 20:28 pm
Great weekend of rugby I enjoyed the Kings Passion and team spirit . I will be honest and say I did not expect them to win, but was great to see. Lets not get too excited since on 1st round win does a season not make
But a good start, even if it was against the weakest Aussie team in SR
My Stormers were disappointing, they looked half interested the game was not very good and the selection of Elton just plain dumb after limited practice and the loss of his father.
Dont write of the Cheetahs Goosen in 2nd half really good Sharks well they were expected to win well and struggled a bit.
Chiefs Blues Highlanders and Canes all looked good I must say, and the 2 games were very enjoyable to watch Typical NZ rugby where the forwards can handle and run and off load like backs and the backs run hard and straight and seldom kick away possession.
Brumbies look solid and may top the Aussie Div
24 Feb 2013, 20:40 pm
@ET.-851:
Hmmmmm let see after that game
Its just the 1st round. Show the log again in August lets see if its anything close to that?
lets not get to carried away with the great win by Kings
Chiefs next week I believe
obviously I hope they win
24 Feb 2013, 21:03 pm
@Jeraldjay-883:
{{{ ” Alan Dershowitz, the lawyer that successfully defended OJ. “))) Really now? Then where do Cochrane, Shapiro, F.Lee Bailey or Kardashian and more feature?
Quite some way off the truth/ mark(for the simple you). It is this sloppy you that makes you so dangerous and untrustworthy to the non-racialism cause, as you sit on the fence with that stake paifully up your arse.
The O.J. Dream Team in order of importance were :
1. Johnnie Cochran : led Simpson’s “Dream Team” of defense attorneys to an acquittal by hammering home to the jury that there was enough doubt about the crime that Simpson shouldn’t be found guilty .
2. Robert Shapiro : Defense lawyer Robert Shapiro has made a career of defending celebrities and famous athletes, including O.J. Simpson, Darryl Strawberry, Johnny Carson, and the Kardashians. He was named the lead counsel of Simpson’s team soon after the double-murders, but was later pushed aside so Cochran could become lead counsel.
3. F. Lee Bailey : was asked by his friend Robert Shapiro to help run the “Dream Team” defense of Simpson. Bailey made his mark on the case by cross-examining investigator Mark Fuhrman,
4. Robert Kardashian : O.J.’s “Dream Team” included his old friend and defense attorney Robert Kardashian, whose prominent role in the case made him the center of speculation about whether Simpson was guilty. Kardashian later said that he had doubts about Simpson’s innocence, saying, “The blood evidence is the biggest thorn in my side, that causes me the greatest problems.”
ALAN DERSHOWITZ
High-profile defense attorney Alan Dershowitz served as the appellate advisor for Simpson’s defense team
Recently asked about the Simpson case, in an interview for the ABC News:
“We didn’t win the case, they lost it. They blew it, they made the worst possible mistakes,” Dershowitz said. }}}
Note the word ” advisor” (noun) and the adjective “appelate” before the noun.
The whole TRUTH always matters. take the lesson to heart you arse-creeping fool.
24 Feb 2013, 21:06 pm
Actually and correctly it is the HISTORIC first log which gives the Kings a 100% record for at least 10 days.
24 Feb 2013, 21:12 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-858:
Do not worry about me.
I think you should really take a good look at yourself in the mirrior and think ” do you really need to be like this”
24 Feb 2013, 21:23 pm
So my wife nudged me awake at 04:00 this morning, “Pssst, pssst”.
I said: “What”?
She said: “I’m going for a pee, please don’t shoot”!
24 Feb 2013, 21:41 pm
@Hurricane-893:
well i do worry about you.
and while you’re at it with the searching questions don’t you think the same could be asked of Richie McCaw..?.. or any AB for that matter… hmmmm..?..
its a chicken and egg situation really and i ask you which came first, his constant cheating or my constant whining about it?
i will certainly lessen my complaining of it on here as i will not participate in super rugby blogging (ironically he too will not be participating this year) but this in no way makes it any less true. the Kiwis, principally led by McCaw, have ruined the last ten years of the game (and i’m being kind).
i did not become the monster you see for no good reason, sir.
anyway, that absolutely is the last and final word on the matter from me.
lets move on.
24 Feb 2013, 21:50 pm
Am glad Ronnie Cooke is back in SA.
He was his usual competent and fit self.
Kings fullback is promising.
Sykes is prone to a yellow card or two.
The Greek god at flyhalf will become an important player for the Kings. Good thing he can kick at poles. His tactical kicking was also spot on.
What i dug about the king
24 Feb 2013, 21:53 pm
What u dug about the King’s game is the fact that they made fewer aimless tactical kicks than what i had seen over the weekend.
The little i saw of the Sharks suggests there was less reliance on the high bombs.
It’s time we stepped off JW Winning Ways blueprint.
24 Feb 2013, 22:03 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-895:
Dont worry about McCaw….he is enjoying his rugby unlike you.
Yeah but for your sake move on…i do not see too many on here backing your strange thoughts.
24 Feb 2013, 22:05 pm
@nondoda-897:
JW winning ways with a just over 60% win ratio does not seem a successful game plan….. yep really time to put that myth away and start playing some winning rugger.
24 Feb 2013, 22:09 pm
@Hurricane-899:
And in one post you went from just another blogger to Skop’s best friend for life.
24 Feb 2013, 22:13 pm
@nama1-881: That should teach you to stay away from Sarepta’s shebeens .
24 Feb 2013, 22:16 pm
@Hurricane-898:
its not McCaw i’m worried about so much as i am worried about you.
most of the bloggers here think similarly but are more prone to letting things go after a while and the wounds have healed. i suppose in a way this makes them better persons than i can be.
dont fool yourself if you actually think they, the vast majority, do not believe him and most kiwis to be cheats.
24 Feb 2013, 22:22 pm
@nortierd-900:
Trying to make everyone happy here.
24 Feb 2013, 22:26 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-902: you are an idiot .
24 Feb 2013, 22:26 pm
@Hurricane-903:
Now that’s a tall order.
I would think you have a better chance of brokering peace in the Middle East than achieving making everyone on this site happy
24 Feb 2013, 22:28 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-902:
So most on here think like you and we cheat all our wins ?
I would be surprised if most on here are that sour.
I know the Boks cheat, every team pushes the boundries….. but i am not going to take away all there wins as the only reason was cheating. If no team cheated there would be no reason to penalise.
24 Feb 2013, 22:28 pm
@nortierd-905:
Hmmm the middle east does need it.
24 Feb 2013, 22:33 pm
@Hurricane-906:
I prefer calling it pushing the boundaries, whether you lay flat, punch, whatever it takes to win.
If I was playing for the Stormers Friday I would have been in Hougaards ear from the first scrum about his alleged involvement in the Pistorius shooting.
If they worked him up enough by calling him an accomplice or something he might have lost it.
I prefer the term gamesmanship to dirty or cheat.
24 Feb 2013, 22:34 pm
@S_K-904:
@Hurricane-906:
yes they do but they are nicer about it and dont hold grudges for too long.
anyway, i have an early day so am off to bed,
do have a good day
24 Feb 2013, 22:35 pm
I noticed Skop had his hands full with the guppy supporters regarding the kings .I am beginning to think along the same lines that they just pissed off that their annual rape of the EC’s rugby talent might soon come to an end.
24 Feb 2013, 22:37 pm
@S_K-910:
He was on a roll last night
24 Feb 2013, 22:37 pm
@nortierd-908:
and a set of rules for the rest.
problem is it doesn’t work when there’s a ‘rule’ for the Boks, a special set of rules for the AB’s
24 Feb 2013, 22:39 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-909:
Well odds not looking good at the moment for you.
Three bloggers on here including me , two think you are an idiot and the other does not agree with you…… he is too nice to say you are an idiot
24 Feb 2013, 22:40 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-912:
Make your own rules.
Guys like Corne Krige still managed to get their punches in without the ref or camera picking it up, and not the one vs England where he moered his own team mate
24 Feb 2013, 22:44 pm
Hurri, in my highly agitated state ( how’s that for a fancy way to say pis$ed off ) I made my week 3 picks last night and got the Canes to beat the Reds.
I hope I didn’t give your side the kiss of death again
You reckon they can do it away from home?
24 Feb 2013, 22:48 pm
@nortierd-915:
IF the Canes get it together, the Reds will not have a show.
But we all know the Canes. They will beat the top 5 teams and lose to the bottom quarter of the table.
24 Feb 2013, 22:51 pm
@Hurricane-913:
Capo’s opinion doesn’t count.
he’s ‘compromised’.
@nortierd-914:
not possible for the Boks, look at 2010 for a larfable case in point.
certainly possible for the AB’s, look at 2008, 2010/11/12 for the same.
dont be naive Nortie, you know it doesn’t work that way for the Boks.
honest question, notwithstanding Hurri’s presence, would you label the AB’s as cheats? yes i know you like other aspects of their game but purely in regard to cheating, would you say they do it and are good at it or would you say they do not?
24 Feb 2013, 23:00 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-917:
No, I would say they have mastered the way of manipulating tight matches to their advantage.
This is not a new thing.
In the olden days home refs took care of the majority of results.
Fitzpatrick was the first real “master” of mind f-king a ref, excuse the word, but it is IMO the closest way to describe it.
He was brilliant in how he managed them, and even if the majority of SA supporters hated him, I was intrigued by him.
He had great teams and players to back him up though.
McCaw, again in my opinion, is the greatest player to have played the game.
His longevity ,coupled with being and staying the best in a position where he is a target every game, puts him there in my book.
There should be no reason why we can’t also produce this type of rugby, we need to let the shackles loose and stop making our players play like robots.
24 Feb 2013, 23:02 pm
@nortierd-918:
Hmmm not the answer Bakkies was looking for but well put i must say.
24 Feb 2013, 23:11 pm
@Hurricane-919:
Hurri, I was probably one of the dirtiest rugby players I have ever known, so it would be hypocritical of me to slag others for playing dirty.
Difference is, I never played with 50 cameras watching my every move, and in those days it was hit first or be hit first
Point is, I believe you do what is necessary to win and kudos to you if you get away with it.
24 Feb 2013, 23:15 pm
@nortierd-920:
lol
Nortie the thug???…..jk
But yeah i know what ya mean….in the old days it was a bit like that, not myself but i knew a few team mates that looked more forward to the fight than the half time oranges.
24 Feb 2013, 23:17 pm
@Hurricane-921:
Let me guess
You were a backline player?
24 Feb 2013, 23:18 pm
@nortierd-918:
@Hurricane-919:
@nortierd-920:
yes, not the answer i was looking for.
i dont think Nortie will answer it honestly in your presence, Hurri.
he’s being diplomatic.
lets say so far the answer to the question:
do you believe Kiwi teams are cheats and do so way more than most?
is:
yes = 1
no = 1 & 1/2
24 Feb 2013, 23:19 pm
ok i’m out all
sleep well and good night
24 Feb 2013, 23:24 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-923:
Diplomacy is not my strongest suit Bakkies.
And my opinion is not based on Hurri’s presence.
Every team and player at some stage cheats, whether intentionally or in the heat of the moment.
Whether slowing a ball down, creeping up off side, pulling a jersey or head butting or punching an opponent.
It happens every game, every where.
The art is to do it in a manner where you are not constantly caught out, manage to manipulate the outcome, and put the other side off their game and in that regard certain players are masters of the art and other flunk the class.
24 Feb 2013, 23:43 pm
Lol I love how Capo has a monologue. He has no choice. Everyone else just ignores what he utters.
25 Feb 2013, 02:50 am
Kia Ora Nortie
I tipped the chiefs and brumbies, then didnt get another point in superbru for the entire weekend. I am almost 9 points behind TR whose beginners luck was amazing
glad he’s carrying the flag though, all part of the team effort.
25 Feb 2013, 03:11 am
@the curse-927:
Kia ora Pops…do you get Choysa tea over in Sydney?…..works a charm…
25 Feb 2013, 03:56 am
The dirty stuff has all but subsided in recent years. No issues there. I do have an issue with planned moves by kiwi teams where players are taken out of play off the ball to create gaps. Also the use of obstructive runners in front of the rucks. By all means get physical and use intimidation within the rules. push the boundaries of what the ref allows at ruck time. But play within the spirit of the game. it’s not American football.
25 Feb 2013, 04:22 am
@SjamBok-929:
SjamBok…the use of screens around the ruck has become more prevalent in the game and it kind of gets on my goat as well , including passes going out the back to say the full back coming into the line but the pass is going behind the back of say the second five who is standing in a position where he is there basically to block. Yes your point is valid….but as long as the officials allow it to happen, it will continue… but it doesn’t make it right….
25 Feb 2013, 04:46 am
@SjamBok-929:
Totally understand….but you have to admit,it is only the Kiwi teams that are doing any sort of backline move. Thing is with the moves, it only takes someone to be out of time with there run it can cause issues with offside and interference, timing is the issue here, not coaching to interfere with players.
Its like when i see a South African team maul away, thats what SA do really well but i see players joining offside, taking player out of the rolling maul…every part of that maul to me is wrong, but it goes unpunished….. yes play within the spirit of the game and not a game of truck and trailers
25 Feb 2013, 05:08 am
George smith joins brumbies.
25 Feb 2013, 05:24 am
@wallabie.-932:
That’s a little coup for JW, always a bonus to bring a player with a big rep and experience in to a side who are already pretty confident……
25 Feb 2013, 06:03 am
Couldn’t watch the whole game but now that I have, I don’t think there has ever been a team that played as kak as the Force did. Which should go down in the record books just below the Kings winning their debut game.
25 Feb 2013, 07:04 am
@nortierd-925:
@SjamBok-929:
@Te Rangatira-930:
so thats: do you believe Kiwi teams are cheats and do so way more than most?
yes = 4
no = 1& 1/2
25 Feb 2013, 07:24 am
do you believe Bakkies is a poor loser and cries incessantly because of this?
unanimous decision from the blog is yes
25 Feb 2013, 07:50 am
@the curse-936:
will you vote on it please, Pops?
yes or no?
25 Feb 2013, 08:10 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-935:
haha….Houston…what I failed to convey in my post #930 is that every side in the comp employ these types of tactics but because the Sa sides attack is a little less, how could I put it, sophisticated….head down arrse up… they do it less than most of the Anzac teams.
25 Feb 2013, 08:51 am
I’m not going to vote on your paranoia Bakkies
there is nothing worse than empowering someone with a sickness by catering to said sickness
the best help I can give you is to continue to let you know you have a sickness
go back to soccer and let us rugby supporters enjoy the game we love.
25 Feb 2013, 09:08 am
@the curse-939: He can’t do that either, Pops.
One of SA’s major soccer competitions, “The Nedbank Challenge Cup” kicked off on the weekend. This is a competition where teams from the lower leagues of SA soccer are drawn against the teams in the Premier Division on a knockout basis.
Bakkies’s beloved Orlando Pirates got drawn against a rural college team and got pasted 4-1!!!
So he won’t be in a good mood this morning, I’m sure!
25 Feb 2013, 09:46 am
surely the pirates were cheated that’s why they lost?
25 Feb 2013, 10:53 am
@the curse-941:
You said it, not me!
25 Feb 2013, 13:26 pm
@Te Rangatira-938:
hi TR, sorry i’m really busy this morning.
hehehe so is that a yes, you do cheat more
@the curse-939: u
who is ‘us’ you numbskull.
wow!
you really believe people on this blog dont think of you as cheats…
GTFOH..
i’ll take it as a no ,thank you.
fyi i’m too bust this morning to respond so save your ludicrous responses for later.
@BrumbiesBoy-940:
jou mislike etter
25 Feb 2013, 15:11 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-943:
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