X-factor Frans to fire
27 Feb 2013
MARK KEOHANE writes Frans Steyn, against the Stormers, will show Heyneke Meyer why he should start at No 12 for the Boks.
Jean de Villiers has been an outstanding Springbok but I don’t see him making the 2015 World Cup and I think this year will be his last at the highest level. De Villiers will still add value to the Boks in 2013 but not necessarily in a starting capacity.
Bok coach Heyneke Meyer raved about De Villiers’s contribution as captain of the Boks in 2012 and indicated he would invest more in De Villiers this season, but the form of Steyn at No 12 could make it hard for Meyer to select De Villiers in his favourite inside centre position.
Steyn has always been used as a fullback and inside centre at the Sharks. On occasion he has played outside centre, wing and even flyhalf, but in his three years at Racing Metro he made the midfield his own and was primarily selected for his physicality in the centres.
Steyn, when he helped win South Africa the World Cup as a 20 year-old, was already a big unit but he is physically imposing in stature and his kicking game and all-round skill level means his physicality is often not acknowledged.
He is a beast in the midfield and weighs over 100 kilograms and is well conditioned. He is strong in contact and he is the only midfielder in South Africa who can consistently stand up in the tackle and offload effectively.
Steyn’s linekicking game makes him a gem at inside centre. He is strong enough to take it to the line and has strong distribution skills. But it’s that monster boot of his that keeps the defence honest and also keeps them hesitant. He provides a foil to Pat Lambie at No 10 and having two such capable out of hand kickers makes it a nightmare for any opposition fullback.
Last year I asked 102-Test Springbok fullback legend Percy Montgomery who he would select at inside centre for the Boks. He said he would pick Steyn ahead of De Villiers but he felt De Villiers at No 13 or on the wing still offered South Africa options and he added he would select both in his run on XV.
But it was Steyn who got his nod at 12 because of how difficult his selection made it for any opposition back three.
‘Jean has fantastic qualities but he has never had a line kicking game. As a fullback you know he is never going to play for field position by way of his boot and you can positionally defend the back three axis relatively confidently against a 10/12 combination in which the 12 doesn’t have a kicking game,’ said Montgomery. ‘It changes the dynamic completely when a side has a 12 like Frans who can kick the ball further than most international 10s and he can cause a lot of uncertainty to a back three, especially if that back three includes wingers who don’t have strong kicking games. He gets the ball one channel out and he can chase you around from side to side and force back a pressured clearance, in which he gains 30-50 metres and his team gets the ball back.
‘I think he is a gem at inside centre and that is where I’d play him all the time with the Boks. He has matured his game in France and he has added composure to the physicality he has always naturally had. He has also taken ownership of his game and has been rewarded with the captaincy at the Sharks.’
Steyn will benefit from playing inside centre consistently this season and Lambie, if fit, being the regular No 10.
De Villiers will play either No 13 or No 12 against the Sharks on Saturday, depending on the fitness of fellow Bok Juan de Jongh, but either way he and Steyn will enjoy a rare head to head battle that should give Meyer an insight into what will best work for the Boks this season and more specifically in his build-up to the 2015 World Cup.
Currently I would pick De Villiers at outside centre for the Boks in 2013 and Steyn at No 12.
Saturday in Durban will tell you why.
Steyn, like Dan Carter, is gold among the world’s backline elite. He has the X-factor.
698 Comments
27 Feb 2013, 08:47 am
Why…?
Doesn’t matter…
Sharks got no chance against overwhelming favourites – the Conference Title Holders and CC Champs….
And the ref too…
27 Feb 2013, 08:49 am
But to be fair, Frans Steyn is the best backline player SA has…
Followed closely by JPP and Habanero…
27 Feb 2013, 08:57 am
I agree with this article. But I thought the point that is being made here has been well established last year already. Are there people that still doubt it?
Frans has the size and skillset to fill the role that Heyneke wants of a 12. That’s why Heyneke picked him there whenever he was available last year.
Besides, Frans is too slow for outside centre.
The more interesting question is who is most suitable for the Bok 13 berth. I think De Villiers is approaching the end of his great career.
At the moment, there is not a clear answer to that question.
27 Feb 2013, 08:58 am
Steyn is world class. One of perhaps only two players in the current springbok setup that are
With South Africa losing the services of matfield, du Preez and jean smith in recent years, we were short of genuinely world class players
Steyn has returned from France a far more complete player
27 Feb 2013, 08:59 am
One of three: jpp, Bismarck (arguably) and steyn
27 Feb 2013, 09:00 am
Frans Steyn at 12….
13 J D Jongh……
JDV can play for the Stormers….dont need him at the Boks
27 Feb 2013, 09:01 am
Really hope Bulls let us see a bit more of Jan Serfontein too
27 Feb 2013, 09:05 am
@grant10-7:
Agreed. But yet again, Serfontein is only suitable to the 12 position. SA has had a distinct lack of depth at 13 for many years now. Besides Jacques Fourie we haven’t had a fast, powerful, hard running 13 since Andre Snyman’s heyday in 1998.
We really need to focus on getting a 1.9m, 100kg guy who can run the 100m in around 10.9s to fill that position for us to have a world class backline.
I guess that’s the idea that the Bulls have with JJ Engelbrecht, but he isn’t the right man for it, in my view.
We don’t have the right type of player at the moment.
27 Feb 2013, 09:11 am
Oh dear but nama1 is sure to disagree. He’s got a thing about Aryans.
27 Feb 2013, 09:19 am
Jean has been kak for years and does not deserve his spot for the Boks, especially as captain. He should not even make the Stormers team.
27 Feb 2013, 09:22 am
@Tacitus-8: Arguably the best 13 in the world at the moment is neither that fast or that big…
Its typical to hear that type of comment from a Bulls supporter. The Bulls beyond 10 are all wings.
27 Feb 2013, 09:25 am
@Tacitus-8: Mapoe can fill that role.
27 Feb 2013, 09:25 am
@wpallday-11:
Who are you referring to? Brian o Driscoll? I would argue that his power and pace are critical to his ability to break tackles and score tries in impossible situations.
27 Feb 2013, 09:26 am
@Bagel-12:
Maybe. I’d like to see him given some extended time at 13. But I don’t think he has enough pace to be a top class 13, let alone wing.
I”m talking about having a guy with the pace of a top class wing, palying at 13. It’s a huge advantage.
27 Feb 2013, 09:29 am
@Tacitus-13: Conrad Smith
27 Feb 2013, 09:30 am
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27 Feb 2013, 09:31 am
I see that hype machine is in overdrive this morning. Could someone please point to a season, here or in France , where Frans absolutely dominate in the 12 position in the Sonny Bill mould? Frans is, IMHO, no more than an adequate no. 12, therefore I hope he stays injury free this season to prove his worth, brilliance or otherwise.
27 Feb 2013, 09:31 am
@Tacitus-14:
How much pace does Conrad Smith have and where do you rate him?
27 Feb 2013, 09:33 am
@Tacitus-3: @Tacitus-8: I agree with both sets of comments. I guess we’ll learn during the year who should be at 13 for the Boks
27 Feb 2013, 09:33 am
@Tacitus-8:
Why is Serfontein only suited to 12?
27 Feb 2013, 09:34 am
Are we selecting a midfield for their line-kicking abillity? I get tears in my eyes
27 Feb 2013, 09:34 am
@wpallday-15:
Look, if you have someone that is exceptionally gifted – and I would never put Conrad Smith in that bracket, by the way – like Brian o Driscoll or Christian Cullen, then you ignore the rules and make a space for them in your team.
But until we have someone like that, then the best way to enforce our playing style on the opposition is to go with big, fast, strong guys that have the necesssary skill level.
Imagine Frans Steyn and Jacque Fourie as a centre combination. Frans to take the ball up strongly and Fourie to run off his shoulder.
Jean fills that role, but not as effectively, and I don’t know for how much longer. We currently have a 200kg midfield, which is where you need to be to counter SBW and Nonu in midfield in my view.
27 Feb 2013, 09:34 am
The one player with the potential to fulfill that role is Paul Jordaan IMO. He’s probably the quickest guy in SA, can tackle, has a decent all round game.
He needs to improve in certain areas and this year will be critical for him that regard.
27 Feb 2013, 09:36 am
@John1976-17:
I’ve decided to not even respond to the Frans hype.
Let’s hope, as you say, that he stays injury free and let his discipels see for themselves that he is not all that they make him out to be at 12.
27 Feb 2013, 09:36 am
@gunther-20:
More of a physical in-your-face type as opposed to running into plenty of space.
We need a Marius Joubert 2002.
27 Feb 2013, 09:37 am
@gunther-20:
Want hy is te stadig vir 13.
27 Feb 2013, 09:37 am
JDJ at 13……
imo
27 Feb 2013, 09:38 am
So Keo reckons that our Fransie is well conditioned – well our local vetgat Transformer will disagree.
27 Feb 2013, 09:39 am
@nama1-24:
Hou op k@k praat.
Won us a game against Australia with two ridiculous drop goals with barely any time left on the clock.
Won us a game in Hamilton by slotting 3 kicks from well past 50m.
That alone proves what a great player he is. Whether you like him or not.
@stormersboy-23:
Too frail. Need a guy with attitude especially. Marius Joubert & Robbie Fleck didn’t take any s51t.
27 Feb 2013, 09:40 am
@nama1-24: Last year they blamed MS for his performances, I wander if they will blame Lambie this year.
I for one hope that he lives up to the hype this year, cause up to now he performance on the field is far short of the hype.
27 Feb 2013, 09:43 am
@John1976-30:
Saved us from losing to Argentina for the first time ever…
You guys are blind, really.
27 Feb 2013, 09:44 am
@hendrikp-29: That’s why I said potential. He’ll have to have a good solid season at 13 before he becomes a candidate for discussion in selection terms.
27 Feb 2013, 09:44 am
@John1976-30:
Look, Frans can and still does some stupid things on a rugby field.
I like him because he is powerful, a very strong defender, and has hand and ball skills that make him more than just a battering ram.
He shores up our midfield, while still having the ability to get his hands through a tackle and offload to the guy on the outside.
He is never going to be a twinkle toes attacker, but that isn’t what we need at 12. Ma’a Nonu and SBW are the type of player that the 12 position has morphed into. And Frans comes closest to matching that type of player.
Leave the pace and incisive running to the 13 position, playing off the shoulder of 12.
27 Feb 2013, 09:46 am
@Tacitus-14: Acceleration is far more important than out and out pace.
Nobody has brought up the idea of JP at 13. If he was given a more extended run he’d be phenomenal. He’s probably more destructive on the wing, but if we have a surplus of wings and a lack of genuine 13′s I’d put him next to Steyn.
Should more than satify you Tac and Heyneke for size while JP brings serious pace. Both can offload and both are aggressive defenders.
27 Feb 2013, 09:46 am
@Tacitus-22: Well I would ,and many others would .
Size is an important factor ,but foremost are a players positional core competencies, and at outside center size is not at the top of that list.
27 Feb 2013, 09:47 am
@Tacitus-26:
He doesn’t look that stadig to me.
@hendrikp-25:
Kak.
He’s got a great eye for the gap.
Lets not talk in cliches here just because a bulls player.
27 Feb 2013, 09:47 am
@RL-28: He isn’t well conditioned. He’s fat and slow but thankfully him he’s so huge he often breaks tackles regardless.
27 Feb 2013, 09:47 am
Frans Steyn should be playing for Cheetahs or EP wtf he doing playing for that bunch of over hyped mercenary humping bunch of rip off artists? Nevertheless will be nice to see if Mannequin de Jongh can dance a little merry jig around this hyped up behemoth same way he danced around and culled Keegan Cullen and Lambie Pamby last time around.
27 Feb 2013, 09:47 am
@Bagel-34:
JP as in JP Pietersen? If so, then agreed.
But then we need to see him have a go there. At the moment, he is very valuable at the wing. But maybe that’s a switch the Sharks could try again this season.
27 Feb 2013, 09:48 am
@stormersboy-32:
So a season of rugby will add 10cm and another 10kg of muscle?
Not going to happen for him as a 13.
27 Feb 2013, 09:49 am
@hendrikp-31: Hendrik that is an absolute ridiculous way to measure a player’s performance in the midfield position. Shouldn’t line breaks, offloads in tackles, ball distribution etc. be important benchmarks to measure a midfielder’s performance? There is no doubt that Frans is a talented rugby player but I don’t buy into the hype that he is the pre-eminent No 12 in the world or for that matter in South Africa.
27 Feb 2013, 09:49 am
@Tacitus-14: One name comes to mind… He played at 13 last year for a few games…
Notably against the Conference Title Holders at Newlands where he proceeded to cut the “best backline in SA” into little shreds…
JP Pieterson.
27 Feb 2013, 09:49 am
@gunther-20: Too slow IMO
27 Feb 2013, 09:50 am
@gunther-36:
Going on what I saw in the IRB Junior World Champs. Was great at breaking tackles, but didn’t really see anything you could deem as ‘open field’. Will be happy to be proven wrong.
27 Feb 2013, 09:50 am
@hendrikp-40:
Ja, that’s the problem in SA. It’s easy to be a twinkle toes if you’re a dwarf.
27 Feb 2013, 09:51 am
@Bagel-34: Snap… but nobody?
He played just last year at 13… So, not only did someone “come up with” his name, but they decided to play him there too.
Yes. Plum did already.
27 Feb 2013, 09:51 am
@gunther-36: Jordaan is a better prospect at 13 with more pace for me.
I’m not convinced about this whole size issue. The issue is whether the 12 can defend well and people assume size is needed for this.
27 Feb 2013, 09:52 am
@RL-28: Transie like fatties it seems… Ask Rossi
27 Feb 2013, 09:52 am
@John1976-41:
Not in the world, no. But definitely in SA, given Heyneke’s physical approach to dominating the 12 channel as a platform for the attacking phases thereafer. We’re never going to see a small guy at 12. Accept it.
27 Feb 2013, 09:53 am
@Heavens Game-46: Talking about the blogger Twatty Mactwatterson. No doubt Plum is a good coach.
And the Sharks were terrible (early season) during his spell there (Not his fault IMO).
With a better Lambie and Fransie on his inside I’d be curious to what happens.
27 Feb 2013, 09:53 am
@Tacitus-39:
If I’m not mistaken he played 13 when the shorks played the Stormers last year and he looked pretty decent.
27 Feb 2013, 09:53 am
@John1976-41:
Eish. Yes, those things are important.
I just seriously question whether you watch him play at all.
27 Feb 2013, 09:54 am
@gunther-20: Although JPP is a good fit, I would pay to see a Frans Steyn and Serfontein partnership…
Actually I would pay to see a Lambie, Steyn, Serfontein partnership… Or even better a Lambie, Steyn, Serfontein and JPP partnership…
The other 3 positions can be filled come what may…
27 Feb 2013, 09:54 am
I wouldnt pick both.
Frans would get the nod
Hoping for a bok backline;
15 Taute
14 Pietersen
13 De Jongh
12 Steyn
11 Habana/Petersen
10 Goosen
9 Hougaard
21 Vermaak
22 Lambie
23 Aplon
The cover in each position
15 SP Marais
14 Rhule
13 De Villiers
12 Olivier
11 Mvovo
10 Jantjes
9 Pretorius
27 Feb 2013, 09:55 am
@Bagel-47:
Sadly he keeps getting broken.
27 Feb 2013, 09:56 am
@Bagel-50: “Not his fault IMO”, but then why do you mention it?
A “better Lambie”…?
You forget, Lambie had a niggling injury last year…
27 Feb 2013, 09:57 am
@Bagel-37: he looked lean and mean to me. The long off season was good for him.
@Heavens Game-48: boom boom drums
27 Feb 2013, 09:57 am
Frans getting injured during the 2011 WC was a big blow to us.
He was outstanding to that point and when JdV came in we didn’t have the same mojo in the backline.
I like the idea of Frans at full back, but then he should be allowed to play how he deems fit, not to be prescribed.
If he wants to take 10 drop kicks from wherever on the field he should be allowed to and not be ridiculed by “fans” afterwards.
Imagine playing against a team where the fly half has the potential to drop from between the 15 and 40m lines and then you have a full back who can drop from between the 40 and 55 m mark.
Makes it difficult for the opposition to clear the ball with confidence.
But I also agree that if they want him at nr 12 then it’s good, bottom line, he MUST play, he is that valuable.
27 Feb 2013, 09:59 am
@nortierd-58:
If that happened our Sanzar cousins would change the droppie to a one pointer.
27 Feb 2013, 09:59 am
@hendrikp-40: Well he’s 1.8m and +- 90kg’s which doesn’t make him the biggest guy out there, but certainly big enough.
I’ll be watching him this year with some interest. There is some concern around his distribution, so I’ll be keeping an eye on that.
27 Feb 2013, 10:00 am
@gunther-55: I think it’s because the kids take to much creatine.
I’m roughly his age and was in a boarding house of a top rugby school, and trust me (you probably know) the amount of substances these guys take when they’re young is just disgusting. Muscles get too big to for their tendons and ligements and then SNAP!
27 Feb 2013, 10:01 am
@Heavens Game-53: You recon Serfontein at 13?
27 Feb 2013, 10:01 am
@Tacitus-45:
I’m waiting for the “size doesn’t matter” brigade to bite my head off…
But size obviously is important when you’re asking a guy to offload, break tackles etc.
Twinkle-toes isn’t going to break open the best of defenses. You need power.
27 Feb 2013, 10:03 am
@Bagel-61:
I went to a comprehensive.
We didn’t have money for fancy supplements.
I also think its the training they do.
Too much time in the weights room which is why they are getting all these soft tissue injuries.
They need to do more explosive training and less big weights.
27 Feb 2013, 10:05 am
@Heavens Game-56: Doesn’t matter that Lambie was injured or not, the point remains he wasn’t on top form which impacted the entire team.
I mentioned that it was not his fault to indicate that the Sharks poor run of form (which many used as a reason to move him back to wing) was not attributed to JP’s performance at 13 IMO.
He was the one who broke us at Newlands, brought tears to my eyes in the Stands but he remains my favourite player despite not being a Stormer.
So I do hope he get’s another crack although Jordaan has been great as well.
27 Feb 2013, 10:07 am
@nortierd-58: Agree 100%
27 Feb 2013, 10:07 am
@hendrikp-63: Tim-Nanai Williams?
27 Feb 2013, 10:08 am
@gunther-64: Exactly! Probably even more important. But of course the two tie in together. They take the supplements to allow their bodies to go further than they should. Shorter rest recoveries so they can gym more regularly.
The amount of gymming they do, and from about age 13 too…
It’s just shocking and quite sad to see them now, those who didn’t crack it any further.
Just fat blobs that struggle to run properly.
27 Feb 2013, 10:08 am
@stormersboy-62: Why not? He may not have played much there already, but he is young and can be developed there.
I reckon he has weakness at 12, namely his kicking skills.
He isn’t lightning fast, but he is fast enough – no slower than Smith and O’Driscoll – probably the benchmarks at 13.
Mossie, come to think of it, was probably an exception at 13 with his comparative size to other 13s.
I would really be interested to see Serfontein outside a player like Frans Steyn.
Not to say Serfontein is a bad 12 – heck, he could possibly be Steyn’s main competitor before the season is over…
27 Feb 2013, 10:08 am
@Bagel-61: @gunther-64:
You guys are 100% right.
It’s not just a simple matter of building muscle tissue – bones and tendons need time to catch up too.
This is one of the reasons, for example, they recommend that you only increase your weekly running amounts by 10% per week – this allows tendons and bones to keep up.
Pliometrics over weights, I say.
27 Feb 2013, 10:08 am
@hendrikp-63: You need power, not nessessarily size.
27 Feb 2013, 10:09 am
@nortierd-58: Frans at FB… Please no.
27 Feb 2013, 10:10 am
@WP-Forever-70: Yeah that’s what I said, the tendons and ligaments don’t grow with the muscles at vaguely the same rate.
Make them do Pull Ups and Pushups dammit!
27 Feb 2013, 10:10 am
@Bagel-65: A non Cyclopic Stormer.
Well done Bagel.
27 Feb 2013, 10:11 am
Change topic a little bit…
Raymond Rhule knows how to find the try-line but he sure is very far off being genuine Springbok ‘quality’. Going to be a bit of a concern when Habana steps aside.
27 Feb 2013, 10:11 am
@ryecatcher-74: Treacly sweet… Awwwww
27 Feb 2013, 10:11 am
@Bagel-73:
Exactly! Push-ups, pull-ups, sit-ups, jumping jacks, burpies – no need for any weights!
In fact, no need for a gym membership!
27 Feb 2013, 10:13 am
@Heavens Game-72:
Morning HG
Only if he is allowed to play the way he sees fit.
In a robotic do as we say every second of the match team, then no.
27 Feb 2013, 10:13 am
In fact, the only reason I have a gym membership is for the swimming pool and sauna.
Oh, and the squash courts.
27 Feb 2013, 10:14 am
@Heavens Game-76: Hi Herr General.
Hope you well.
27 Feb 2013, 10:14 am
Hoping Frans doesn’t protest playing fullback if there is ever a 12 that pushes him. Best 15 (and 12 obviously) we have.
27 Feb 2013, 10:14 am
@WP-Forever-70:
Pilatespower!
27 Feb 2013, 10:17 am
@WP-Forever-79:
You are starting to sound like Grantie.
27 Feb 2013, 10:18 am
@ryecatcher-74: Ah dude UFO, Robzim and even Grant are not cycloptic. I mean the only real nutter from our side is Skoppie as far as I can tell.
HG, Dusky, Fern and SeanB actively attack the Stormers, make homophobic comment, and insult our beautiful mountain every bloody post they type.
But I’d like to think when it comes for what’s the best team for Boks I’m pretty objective (Probably not that objective!). Stormers need to win more trophies before I become a nutter!
27 Feb 2013, 10:19 am
@hendrikp-52: . Hendrik, I would not venture an opinion of a player’s performances if I haven’t seen them in action.
27 Feb 2013, 10:19 am
@gunther-83:
Love a good sauna!
27 Feb 2013, 10:19 am
@hendrikp-29:
“Won us a game against Australia with two ridiculous drop goals with barely any time left on the clock.”
That was 2006, wasn’t it. A full 7 seasons ago.
“Won us a game in Hamilton by slotting 3 kicks from well past 50m.”
Wasn’t that in 2008? A full 5 seasons ago.
What position did he play in those matches? Against Aus he came on as a sub and against NZ he played FB. We are talking about his qualities as inside centre here. Why don’t you talk about that instead of bringing up heroics by Frans that took place more than 5 years ago.
Ricky January won us a game in NZ in the last minute of the match quite a few years ago. Do you think we should bring him back because of his heroics?… No?…I thought so.
@hendrikp-63:
“Twinkle-toes isn’t going to break open the best of defenses.”
Now, you are talking kak.
I saw Jason Robinson break open defences at will.
27 Feb 2013, 10:21 am
@stormersboy-62: SB – back to our recent topic: I heard Matt Proudfoot on the radio this morning saying that it wasn’t really Fourie’s fault but that the lifters didn’t do their jobs properly. That was unacceptable for him !! Didn’t he watch the replay ?
Eish – Kanko, Franco & co will put Fourie under a lot of pressure on Saturday
27 Feb 2013, 10:21 am
@Bagel-84: You really are quite a myopic little Bago, aren’t you?
“Not us”, he cries, when pretty decent Sharkies were actively hounded out of this Stormfront Propaganda part of the blogosphere…
But I am not surprised… Not seeing the wood for the trees is an endearing characteristic of Storming Capey supporters…
Its the gift that keeps on giving…
27 Feb 2013, 10:23 am
All this exercise talk is making me moeg
27 Feb 2013, 10:23 am
@Heavens Game-76: We are the FEW.
If a Stormers fan acknowl;edges that a Sharks player is good.I cling to it.
These are rare occurrences.
27 Feb 2013, 10:23 am
@Heavens Game-89:
Oh please.
Puma and sharks_lover acted like petulant little children after Nikita referred to Sharks supporters as “pollution”.
There has been much worse. And there will be even worse to come.
27 Feb 2013, 10:24 am
@Heavens Game-89: Who the racist Sharks_Lover? And Puma who went off crying after Nikita gave him a fraction of what you dish out everyday.
They should harden the fark up.
27 Feb 2013, 10:25 am
@nortierd-78: He is a good Fullback… But I reckon he can be an all time great if left at 12… He has played much International rugby, but because of his ability he hasn’t being allowed to really settle at 12 – even though he has won a RWC there already…
Other than SBW, I see no-one in world rugby who is better than Frans Steyn at 12… I do see quite a few players better than him at 15 though.
27 Feb 2013, 10:25 am
@WP-Forever-92: Ditto
27 Feb 2013, 10:26 am
@nortierd-58:
Yes Nortie…but you have to remember that Frans played at centre against Namibia and Samoa. Countries against who our forwards will always dominate and therefor create the opportunity for the backs to shine. JdV played against Aus and Wales where our forwards will not neccesarily dominate.
I maintain, let’s see how Frans go at inside centre against tier 1 countries before we annoint him as the king at inside centre. Playing well against tier 2 countries does not count imo.
27 Feb 2013, 10:26 am
@Dawn-90:
Warm up properly.
I don’t want you to pull a muscle in your mouse hand.
27 Feb 2013, 10:27 am
@Bagel-93: “They should harden the fark up”… This coming from someone who has wet his pants about “HG, Dusky, Fern and SeanB actively attack the Stormers, make homophobic comment, and insult our beautiful mountain every bloody post they type.”
You laughable little hypocrite…
Boo farken hoo…
27 Feb 2013, 10:28 am
@WP-Forever-92: Is that so? Hoo ha… Sounds like Vampire Squid wannabe fighting talk…
27 Feb 2013, 10:28 am
This now brings to mind Georges Hebert and the “Natural Method”.
27 Feb 2013, 10:29 am
@Heavens Game-98: I’m making a point, the kakspewers are largely Tjarkies and Skop.
I’m not crying off the blog Twatty.
Now carry on and tell how the Sharks stand no chance this weekend… for the 5000th time… TROLL
27 Feb 2013, 10:29 am
9-hougaard(scrumhalf/wing)
10-lambie(flyhalf/fullback)
11-habana
12-steyn(centre/fullback)
13-mapoe(centre/fullback)
14-pietersen(wing/centre/fullback)
15-taute(fullback/centre)
20-reinach
21-goosen
22-rhule
There you have it versatility in all facets
27 Feb 2013, 10:30 am
@nama1-87: Hi Nama.Thought you were
going to refrain
27 Feb 2013, 10:30 am
@ryecatcher-91: Hugs and kisses all round hey Kehla…
A gentle soul our Ryeman… Good thing too… When the Brokeback budgy smugglers start having their annual nervous breakdowns they can come cry on a friendly Sharky’s shoulder…
Good Cop, Bad Cop
27 Feb 2013, 10:31 am
@Heavens Game-99:
So what’s it like hanging out at Hatfield Square with the students?
27 Feb 2013, 10:31 am
I’m off, JP-P for Bok 13!
27 Feb 2013, 10:31 am
@Bagel-101: Sounded like it… All bar the snorting and sniffing…
And no… Different day, different strokes for you Brokeback folk…
27 Feb 2013, 10:32 am
@ryecatcher-91:
Morning Rye
You have many very good players.
The better the player the more the opposition dislikes him
The problem is we see a person on TV and automatically form an uninformed opinion on how he looks or behaves for 80 minutes.
I am very guilty in this regard as well, probably the first that will put my hand up and admit I don’t like Bressler because of his attitude in the CC game where we got clouted by having 12 men against 15.
I thought he was a right real idiot and that was judged on just 80 minutes of footage.
So now I don’t like him.
It’s very shortsighted from me, but I would think many others judge the same way, eg. De Jongh’s little dance was not the real reason he is disliked in Shark territory, it’s the fact that he scored a match winning try that really irked, so now he is labelled.
It is not a new thing, think back to Naas, he was hated because he made your team lose, all the extras were just cherries on the cake.
27 Feb 2013, 10:33 am
I reckon if the Stormers lose this weekend, old Allistair is going to once again perfect the “constipated yet intensely focused” look that he has developed so well in recent years.
8 log points behind their main conference rivals after 2 games will be a tough tournament start in anyone’s book.
27 Feb 2013, 10:35 am
@WP-Forever-105: Dunno… Been there once… Cant remember really…
But, of course its always nice to have a look at the nubiles….
“Girls in their Summer Clothes… In the cool of the evening night…”
27 Feb 2013, 10:35 am
@Tacitus-109:
The situation room.
27 Feb 2013, 10:36 am
Mapoe(centre/wing)
27 Feb 2013, 10:36 am
@Heavens Game-89: ag,shut up you idiot.sharkslover is at least back ,although you tried your best to back up his hocus pocus attemp to deceive us with his new nick.Ditto for sharksgirl as well.apart from puma,we got nearly all the polluters back.
27 Feb 2013, 10:38 am
@gunther-111:
Ah, you remember!
Yes, the situation room is about to make a nerve wracking return.
27 Feb 2013, 10:38 am
@nortierd-108: I think you have it wrong… I certainly do not dislike JdJ…
I actually reckon he would look good in a Black and White jersey…
And I reckon many honest and unbiased Sharks supporters like me feel exactly the same way…
We just don’t think the same as you Capeys… Its why you just dont understand…
27 Feb 2013, 10:39 am
@S_K-113: Fifi woof…
27 Feb 2013, 10:40 am
@Heavens Game-94:
“Other than SBW, I see no-one in world rugby who is better than Frans Steyn at 12″
27 Feb 2013, 10:41 am
In fairness to Fransie,he is at least trying to shed his Parisian donut look.Unfortunately there is not much talent at 12 ,so the Boks will just have to do with him there.
27 Feb 2013, 10:41 am
@xtremebull-102: I like that selection… Not sure about Taute though.
27 Feb 2013, 10:43 am
I’m hoping for a Sharks win by more than 7 points, but without scoring 4 tries.
Is that an unrealistic demand?
27 Feb 2013, 10:44 am
@Dawn-117: If Sunni Bull could get out of the Boxing Circus and off the League bandwagon, he could be a true great in Rugby Union…
A legend.
But he wont… So he will lose out on immortality.
27 Feb 2013, 10:44 am
@Tacitus-120: I’ll take that… A deal then.
27 Feb 2013, 10:45 am
@Heavens Game-115:
HG, the only guilty name I mentioned was my own.
I said I do believe many others might feel the same.
JdJ was one example, I’m sure there are other Stormers, Bulls, etc players that is disliked purely on the image they portray for 80 minutes once a week?
27 Feb 2013, 10:45 am
SBW = Fransie Steyn
Daniel = Keegan Cullen
Hahahahaaa!
27 Feb 2013, 10:45 am
@Tacitus-120:
Congratulations on your team’s win on Friday.
By the way, are you still defending Oscar Pistorius’s actions? You might want to note that the private firearm industry in this country do not agree with you at all.
27 Feb 2013, 10:46 am
How’s Fransie doing with captaincy?
He looked a bietjie freaked out on Saturday
27 Feb 2013, 10:46 am
@Heavens Game-115:
I think Frans Steyn would look good in Blue and White hoops
27 Feb 2013, 10:47 am
@WP-Forever-105: All fun and games until the cops tap him on the shoulder and tell him he is frightening the young women as he BOOM’s around in his raincoat…….
Guppies HUGE faves. Me, I’m going guppies by 11 on Bru. (although I fear it could be worse, if they bring on the boom)
Anyone tipping the Stormers has been drinking JIK.
27 Feb 2013, 10:47 am
@nortierd-127:
Sies
Wash your mouth out with soap
27 Feb 2013, 10:48 am
And one more time:
“SBW = Fransie Steyn
Daniel = Keegan Cullen”
27 Feb 2013, 10:49 am
Hellooooo
27 Feb 2013, 10:50 am
@Dawn-129:
Morning Dawn
I was very upset when he came back and rejoined the Sharks.
Was hoping he would play for us.
By the time we get him he will probably be 3 years past his prime
27 Feb 2013, 10:50 am
@WP-Forever-125: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/02/if_oscar_pistorius_is_telling_the_truth_about_reeva_steenkamp_he_s_a_dangerous.single.html
A very good read.
27 Feb 2013, 10:50 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-128:
Perhaps he and Oscar buys testis compositum from the same supplier?
27 Feb 2013, 10:51 am
A fit Johan Goosen makes Patrick Lambie his b17ch.
Ink in:
10 Johan Goosen
12 Frans Steyn
14 JP Pietersen
Other backline positions I am concerned about.
27 Feb 2013, 10:51 am
To be very honest I do not see the X factor in Frans anymore. True X factor is like Habana who can still and more than of often does turn a game on its head. I have not seen this from Frans in some time. Still a brilliant player and I will have him in my team any day of the week but the ‘X factor label’…….not quite.
27 Feb 2013, 10:51 am
@nortierd-123: Calm down, Meneer Plod… A relatively gentle ribbing…
Yes, for some players – notably Fatty Vermeulen, but definitely not Mannetjies De Jong…
Have always rated him, probably more than most Stormer’s supporters and coaches – especially since his breakthrough 2010 season where he formed the best centre partnership in Super Rugby with Mossie…
Only to warm the bench for best of the next couple of seasons due to the return of the Munster reject prodigal son…
Who Stormer supporters seem to rate more than JdJ… similar to Petersen over Aplon… Must be some sort of subconscious anti-bruinou thing you chaps got in the Cape by the looks of it…
My favourite two Stormpies, De Jong and Aplon, always on the farken bench…
27 Feb 2013, 10:52 am
@nortierd-127:
He might need a bit of Photoshopping though.
27 Feb 2013, 10:53 am
SBW = Fransie!
27 Feb 2013, 10:53 am
@CharlesM-88: That makes no sense to me whatsoever. I recall one that he lobbed so far over Bekker’s head that he couldn’t have reached it if he were on a trampoline.
That sort of comment is hopefully just PC “protect your player” talk.
27 Feb 2013, 10:55 am
@Heavens Game-137:
I’m always calm HG
If I had to get upset with your posts you would have heard the sirens and been bouncing around the back of a van by now
With a loose tyre to keep you company I might add.
27 Feb 2013, 10:56 am
@nortierd-141:
SAPS at your service.
27 Feb 2013, 10:58 am
@nortierd-141:
Mang hom
27 Feb 2013, 10:58 am
@Dawn-126: I don’t know what Plum was thinking with that decision. Frans might have the physical attributes a rugby player needs, (although I think he might want to lose a few), but he is not the brightest spark. I get the feeling the reason he will never be great is because IQ and intelligence is something the coaches just can’t coach. The Frans we see now is the best it is ever going to get. Good Luck to him.
27 Feb 2013, 10:58 am
@WP-Forever-134: HG just eats the balls directly from the ‘Bull’ fan, for his dose.
(After all, he took the meat and veg from the Thai ladyboy easily enough?)
27 Feb 2013, 10:59 am
@gunther-142:
For HG
Service with a smile
27 Feb 2013, 11:00 am
@rossoneri-144:
I tend to agree with you.
27 Feb 2013, 11:01 am
@rossoneri-144:
Bite your tongue!
He is the SBW of the Dynamite!
BOOM
27 Feb 2013, 11:01 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-133:
Indeed.
My entire angle has been:
1) In South Africa to get a firearms license you need to be shown to be competent;
2) This entails, amongst others, a theoretical test on the legal application of lethal force, and a practical test indicating that you are proficient with that weapon;
3) Oscar Pistorius had a firearms license for his 9mm Parabellum – he must therefore have passed the theoretical test on the legal application of lethal force;
4) By his father’s own admission, Oscar “grew up around guns”;
5) This creates at the very least a considerable duty of care on the part of Oscar when it comes to handling his firearm;
6) His own version of events, even if true, do not in any way reflect reasonable use of lethal force.
Oscar is in a world of trouble here and I, frankly, cannot understand the level of blind support he is getting.
27 Feb 2013, 11:02 am
@rossoneri-144:
But I concur
He ain’t no captain
27 Feb 2013, 11:02 am
@WP-Forever-125:
Hehe. I’m in full agreement with the private firearms industry’s position on this matter.
Other than that I’ll just say that the case must be judged on its merits, not on speculation.
27 Feb 2013, 11:02 am
@nortierd-141: Lol… But I got a good liar… er… lawyer on my side
27 Feb 2013, 11:03 am
@stormersboy-140: He threw it to Spies…..
@rossoneri-144: I told the guppies Lambie is mature enough to captain them. Frans is a child…and a dim one at that (the sort who struggles to construct a tower out of building blocks…)
Good player….Rugby brain and maturity; not so good.
27 Feb 2013, 11:04 am
@nortierd-146:
Are you still walking the beat?
27 Feb 2013, 11:04 am
@Tacitus-151:
I’m glad to see you’ve made an about-turn.
I seem to recall you stated something to the tune of, ordinary law-abiding South Africans need Oscar to be found innocent since such South Africans need to be able to defend themselves in their own properties, or something to that effect – or am I recalling incorrectly?
27 Feb 2013, 11:07 am
@WP-Forever-155:
He’s probably realised that Odawgs circumstances are not quite what he first thought.
27 Feb 2013, 11:08 am
@WP-Forever-155: Tac better be careful in answering your query, the archive diggers are waiting in the wings
27 Feb 2013, 11:08 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-153:
You know what? Some of the events and reactions around the Pistorius case remind me vividly of the Waterkloof Four case.
And not in a positive way.
27 Feb 2013, 11:10 am
@Bagel-101: Bage, If standing up against your RACIST buddies and insulting little biddues makes me racist?? no problem dude.
Firstly lets get one thing clear here, both the people you insult are not even in here and 2ndly you quite obviously accept you fellow cappie buddies insulting, but when it comes back you come in here and whine like a horny pig on roids??
Grow a pair son, and lastly as much as i think Skop is one of the biggest A*holes in here? to make him the Stormer scape goat when there are far more, i mean we can mention your friend CAPO, etc etc etc
so go google yourself some free tissues, in fact here is the website link.
www. Iamawhineystormersupporterthatneedstohardenthefuckupandaminneedoftissues.com
27 Feb 2013, 11:10 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-153: “Good player….Rugby brain and maturity; not so good”…. My, my you could be talking about the current Bok Captain here… Just lacking a “was long ago a” before the “good”…
I applaud Plum for giving Frans an opportunity to lead… Frans isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed, but he certainly aint the dumbest rugger b.ugger ever to throw a ball in anger at the highest level…
Some great Captains including Teich and Johnno certainly weren’t the sharpest tools in the shed either…
So who knows with Frans… He could be a revelation, but he certainly wont be a drastic failure…
Plum did good with his choice.
27 Feb 2013, 11:10 am
@Dawn-148: Ag ja shame. Some people. Eish. The Sharks should actually edge this game, as it is at the tank, and based of last weeks performances, they were slightly less terrible than the Stormers. But the big problem for them is that their cappy is not the best choice, this will hurt them at some point.
27 Feb 2013, 11:12 am
@hendrikp-135: Like he did last weekend huh?? yeah right.
27 Feb 2013, 11:13 am
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-159:
Horny pig on roids?
Man, I would love to see that in real life!
27 Feb 2013, 11:13 am
@gunther-154:
Nope, luckily not, been there done that
27 Feb 2013, 11:14 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-153: Looked like he was throwing it to Lambie.
The team announcement is at 12h00. I may pop down and see what AC has to say.
27 Feb 2013, 11:14 am
@Heavens Game-160: She has no idea about Frans Steyn or whether he is immature or not,
Here are the facts, many of the Stormer supporters in here will be bad mouthing Fransie as much as possible as they know he will be the reason the JDV being dropped to the bench or even out the team.
27 Feb 2013, 11:15 am
@WP-Forever-163: Me too actually
just sound funny as i was typing.
27 Feb 2013, 11:15 am
JP Pietersen for bok 13, Jordaan and Rhule on the wing…
27 Feb 2013, 11:16 am
A few years out into the future, our Bok backline may very well look something like this:
9. C. Reinach (Sharks)
10. J. Goosen (Cheetahs)
11. R. Rhule (Cheetahs)
12. J. Serfontein (Bulls)
13. P. Jordaan (Sharks)
14. S. Petersen (Kings)
15. A. Coetzee (Lions)
Hmmm – I don’t see any Stormers players in that backline, but that was not by design – it is nevertheless an interesting observation.
That’s a talented bunch of players; they don’t necessarily pass muster in the SIZE stakes, but they sure are endowed with SKILL. I would just love to see that backline play for an SA Invitational or SA Barbarians side.
PS: Just as an aside, I thought Stokkies Hanekom (is he not ex WP?) has done really well for the Lions this year – perhaps one to watch?
27 Feb 2013, 11:16 am
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-166: Yes… Their blonde bombshell Munster reject fading into irrelevance is a good enough cause to get upset…
27 Feb 2013, 11:16 am
@stormersboy-165: Stormers will have a solid team, I dont however see AC taking Fourie away from hooker, No doubt the Stormers will be favourites and will take a massive effort from the Sharks to be able to beat them.
27 Feb 2013, 11:17 am
@mxhosa-168: Eish! Not bad… A “slight” bit of speed there.
27 Feb 2013, 11:18 am
@Angostura-169: Amgostura?? are you drunk?? ffs Lambie outplayed Goosen last saturday and is the current Bok 10, so he should not even be in the bok squad?? I question you rugby knowledge.
27 Feb 2013, 11:18 am
@Angostura-169:
It’s more likely for Helen Zille to become our next president than for Heyneke Meyer to pick a backline like that (assuming he is still coach then).
27 Feb 2013, 11:19 am
Fransie = SBW
27 Feb 2013, 11:19 am
@mxhosa-168: that could work,
27 Feb 2013, 11:19 am
@WP-Forever-155:
My point was this:
Every verdict sets a level of precedent. Should the defense lawyer succeed in convincing the judge that there is a valid case for self defense, or for lenient decision, this will have an implication for future uses of a gun in a defensive situation.
Conversely should a very harsh verdict be the outcome, this will add extra pressure on people defending their homes in future.
For example, although the chances are very slim, there remains a possibilty that the defense will argue that he felt incredibly threatened due to his disability, and who knows what other factors might come into play.
The case will be judged on all of those arguments. In the end, the verdict will have signficance for all of us, as we all could face intruders in our homes this very night. As today’s news story about the Vanderbilpark dad who was murdered last night in cold blood in front of his son quite tragically illustrates.
27 Feb 2013, 11:19 am
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-162:
The Cheetahs tight-five were shi-te. Goosen kept the Cheetahs in that game and very nearly made it a draw.
Bounce of the ball stuff. Goosen has more ‘weapons’.
27 Feb 2013, 11:20 am
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-173: True. I’m curious about a couple of positions really but AC isn’t one to make too many knee jerk reactions.
27 Feb 2013, 11:20 am
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-166:
Most Stormers supporters will say that JdV should not be selected for the Boks because he is not good enough anymore.
Nothing to do with Fransie.
27 Feb 2013, 11:21 am
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-173: Ole’ Bitters is a bit confused and conflicted at the moment….
Kings…
Sharks…
Kings…
Sharks…
Kings!
Until the 2nd century score beating that is then he will be serenading Black and White Dynamite with Sharkie himself on the very sidelines of Kings Park…
27 Feb 2013, 11:22 am
@Angostura-169: Sargeal has played one game, but he has got talent.
When he gets called up it will be in another province’s colours
27 Feb 2013, 11:22 am
OMG Petersen of the kings is now the next BOK wing
omg the stupidity reigns, the kids defense is about ), yes he did score 2 tries, and he is fast, he is a School kid and he light years away from even thinking BOK,
27 Feb 2013, 11:23 am
@nama1-180: Yes, of course… It just the green with envy aspect that is highlighted here…
Another endearing trait of Gods Gift to Rugby Stormer supporters…
Another gift that keeps on giving
27 Feb 2013, 11:23 am
@nama1-180:
One might even argue Jean de Villiers is no longer good enough for a starting position for the Stormers!
9. Nic Groom
10. Elton Jantjies
12. Peter Grant
13. Juan de Jongh
27 Feb 2013, 11:24 am
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-171:
“No doubt the Stormers will be favourites and will take a massive effort from the Sharks to be able to beat them.”
27 Feb 2013, 11:24 am
@Dawn-175: No. Fransie < SBW.
Go back and read, you farken illiterate little toothless fairy…
27 Feb 2013, 11:25 am
@Heavens Game-181:
yup HG, sorry but that is one serious lack of rugby knowledge.
Rhule ?? No problem although he still needs work on parts of his game, but atleast he has proven himself over time and in big company.
Hell why not offer the worlds fastest man a BOK wing position?? he has zero rugby knowledge too but hey he has speed???????????????
27 Feb 2013, 11:25 am
One certainty is that Frans is one of the first names on the Bok teamsheet at 12. His display against the Cheetahs confirmed that. Those two mini breaks and offloads were exactly what we want from a Bok 12.
Defensive patterns and structures are so tight at test level these days that space is at a premium and much of the play a test 12 is confronted with is in traffic. The perfect 12 has to be both physical and skilful, which is exactly what Frans is.
Jean is done and should not be considered for the Boks any longer and certainly not at 13 where he was a complete failure last year.
The art now is finding the perfect partner for Frans at 12. de Jongh is a big no, no – the lad has skill but falls well short in the physical stakes. Given the lack of space at test level, 80% of an outside centres time is spent in traffic where he is required to impose himself physically both on attack and in defence. de Jongh invariably gets bashed backwards in contact and while he executes open field tackles perfectly, he is not able to impose himself in front on collisions.
The most talented young centre we have at the moment is Jan Serfontein and to say he can only play 12 is nonsense. He is young and has the skill set to play 13. He might just be the ideal partner for Frans and is worth investing in. There is less pressure on a 13 and therefore might be the ideal position to start Jan off.
But there are many options at 13. Taute has always been good at 13 and his tests against Oz and Ireland at 13 were good. He remains an option at 13.
I am also a fan of JJ Engelbrecht at 13. In last years S15, he executed the best breaks by a SA 13 and by doing so showed exactly what he is capable of. He lost confidence in the CC after being unfairly discarded by Meyer after 15min of rugby on the wing for the Boks as a sub. This S15 will be defining for JJ.
Jordaan is an illusive runner and a real prospect for the 13 spot. Again, this S15 will define him and if he can build an understanding with Frans, it might just give him the inside lane. He is an exciting runner.
I have always enjoyed JP at 13, his spot is wing, but he is so dangerous with ball in hand and has that uncanny ability to slip tackles at will. He and Frans might just create havoc. Meyer was going to play JP at 13 on the EOYT tour but had a rethink when Habana got injured. So its an option Meyer might consider.
I also like the look of de Allende, he has good running balance, likes to step the opposition and is a physically imposing lad. Plays mostly at 12, but looks equally suited to 13.
There are other youngsters who will make an impression at 13. Pat Howard and JP du Plessis of the Stormers, Sadie of the Cheetahs, Dries Swanepoel of the Bulls and Tyler Fisher of the Sharks.
Fisher and Dries Swanepoel are the current Baby Bok 13′s and both are real prospects
We are more than covered for the 13 spot – one of the above is a real option
27 Feb 2013, 11:25 am
Frans Steyn is a 53 test veteran with 2 World Cups and a winner’s medal.
To suggest that WP okes firstly don’t like him and second;y are afraid that he will “demote” JDV to the bench is being paranoid.
Jean played 13 next to him last year. How does that demote Jean? Hasn’t HM already named Jean as his test captain for this year?
27 Feb 2013, 11:26 am
@Dawn-186: I am glad i gave you a laugh, but it is true, Jantjies i doubt will have another poor match this weekend.
Also that loss to the Bulls will have them firing.
27 Feb 2013, 11:27 am
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-188: Ag, go easy on the old prune…
He is half a Sharky after all…
27 Feb 2013, 11:27 am
@Heavens Game-187:
27 Feb 2013, 11:27 am
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-173: @WP-Forever-174:
I said a FEW YEARS’ OUT, brothers:
Was kinda hoping Heyneke would then not be around anymore to select Panzers in the backline;
&
I was not making that pick based on last Saturday’s relative performance of the two #10′s, but really on Goosen & Lambie’s & Jantjes’ relative performance up to the point where Goosen was badly injured last year scoring that marvelous try in the corner for the Cheetahs. Up to that point he looked like the best all round fly half prospect we have produced for a long time.
Anyway, just IMO, ne?
27 Feb 2013, 11:28 am
@stormersboy-190: Read #185, your own WP supporters are saying he should be dropped.
27 Feb 2013, 11:28 am
@Tacitus-177:
that kite ain’t gonna fly. On the most lenient interpretation of his own account he is guilty of manslaughter. Unfortunately for him, he has no choice but to get into the witness box and Roux cannot protect him much when he gets in there.
They are very aware of what questions Nel will be asking and no amount of coaching is going to help him once he gets under cross-examination.
My call? Murder. Dolus eventualis at least.
27 Feb 2013, 11:28 am
@Saffex-189: Excellent farken post… A new kenner… True rarity on this Storming Propaganda rag…
Will be watching out for you.
27 Feb 2013, 11:29 am
hey Fatfcuk read properly!!!
169. Angostura said:
27 Feb 2013, 11:16 am
A few years out into the future, our Bok
backline may very well look something like
this:
9. C. Reinach (Sharks)
10. J. Goosen (Cheetahs)
11. R. Rhule (Cheetahs)
12. J. Serfontein (Bulls)
13. P. Jordaan (Sharks)
14. S. Petersen (Kings)
15. A. Coetzee (Lions)
27 Feb 2013, 11:29 am
Nothing like a Frankie Steyn X factor article to get the juices flowing in the build up to the Seafood Derby.
I expect hostilities to commence sometime tomorrow.
27 Feb 2013, 11:29 am
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-191:
Fuuunnnnyy
27 Feb 2013, 11:30 am
@Tacitus-177:
Tragic story, the Vanderbijlpark one.
But in that case the man was ambushed in his garage by two armed men coming back home. If he himself was armed – by all means, use lethal force.
I fail to see the relevance to a situation where you think there’s an intruder in your house, you never see the intruder, you do not know that the suspected intruder is armed…
27 Feb 2013, 11:30 am
@stormersboy-190: Oh and for the record? I am not anti Jean or saying that he should be dropped, I am forcasting why some of your mates in here will be bad mouthing Fransie.
27 Feb 2013, 11:32 am
@WP-Forever-201:
I mean: “you do not know whether the suspected intruder is armed or not”
27 Feb 2013, 11:32 am
@stormersboy-190: Oh Captain, My Captain (of Industry…), calm those hormones, cuzzie
27 Feb 2013, 11:32 am
@WP-Forever-185:
Exactly, but this Shark fool, formerly Sharks-Lover, want to tell the world that we are jealous because Fransie will get selected ahead of him for the Bokke.
Only Shark supporters who quantify the Bok team by the number of Sharks players in it.
HG’s histerics last year wrt the “traditional Noord/Suid conspiracy” is proof of that.
27 Feb 2013, 11:32 am
@Dilligafrican-196:
Then so be it. I’m no lawyer.
All I know is that I can conceive of a hypothetical situation where one can be under genuine threat if there are armed guys in your bathroom. Oscar’s may not be such a case, but if there are 2 guys in the bathroom with guns, then if you open the door first, you’re gonna be dead.
Next time that someone is REALLY in such a situation, Oscar’s verdict will be on record, and will serve as a reference for whatever decision the future judge will arrive at in that hypothetical future case.
27 Feb 2013, 11:34 am
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-195: So you agree then that we don’t really care if Frans plays ahead of Jean?
27 Feb 2013, 11:34 am
@nama1-205: you lot are just jealous. Shame on you.
27 Feb 2013, 11:36 am
@Saffex-189: JDJ has never dissapointed…..defensively he fronts in a super team with the best defensive record for last 2 seasons….his defence is a strength. dont come with that kak man!
27 Feb 2013, 11:37 am
@Angostura-169:
If that is the future of the Springboks backline, then god help us.
Goosen and Serfontein yes.
27 Feb 2013, 11:37 am
@Tacitus-206:
If you are in mortal danger, no problem. SA law (as far as I know) does not recognise the “stand your ground” principle, i.e., if you can escape the situation you should.
Now, from the floorplans they have shown it would have been far simpler for him to simply wake the madam and leave the room. Nel is going to have a field day with him in the box.
27 Feb 2013, 11:38 am
@Tacitus-206:
I fail to see how someone who is facing such a situation as you describe will consider that Oscar’s verdict is on record. He will rather be extremely fearful for his own life or that of a loved one and will act accordingly.
It is really quite simple, Tac. If you feel that you need to take the life of your attacker to protect your own or somebody else’s life or to prevent serious bodily harm – then do so. It is really that simple. As long as you can show afterwards that you were truly in fear of your life, that your response was appropriate to the threat – then the police and courts will back you.
27 Feb 2013, 11:39 am
@Dilligafrican-211:
I would guess that’s why they’ve emphasized the “He wasn’t wearing his legs” position. To illustrate that he couldn’t have fled.
In any case, we don’t have all the facts. We have as little facts as they could get away with releasing during the bail hearing.
27 Feb 2013, 11:40 am
@grant10-209: they not looking so super atm
27 Feb 2013, 11:40 am
9. Hougaard – playing non kicking game
10. Lambie
11. Habana
12. FSteyn
13. Jordaan
14. Rhule
15. JPP
Taute must be the most over-hyped, overrated player in SA at the moment.
27 Feb 2013, 11:40 am
@Heavens Game-184:
You know I’ve never engaged in communication with the person in subject, but In silently reading his/her comments tongue in cheek , I can say that the person you relying too in this ocasion is one of the biggestdickheads in the history of this site
27 Feb 2013, 11:40 am
@nama1-205: Conspiracies are fluid… Since my 2nd team now is officially the Big Bull Warrior Priests in Light Blue of Cathedral Loftus – the team of the City of my Abode – I admit error in that brief flight of fancy…
This SharkBulletjie believes the current conspiracy afoot to be all Capey… Its the East West, Cheeky is best conspiracy…
27 Feb 2013, 11:41 am
Los vir Oscar nou
27 Feb 2013, 11:41 am
I would have played JDJ at 13 last year, for the record.
I’d still play him this year,
27 Feb 2013, 11:42 am
@Rockn Rolla-216: Replying not Relying
27 Feb 2013, 11:43 am
I agree with Frans Steyn as our No. 12, he has the skill set, but then we really should be looking at a bit of pace at 10 and 13 – we have it at 13 with de Jongh and Jordaan, but look how more difficult teams like All Blacks and Wallabies are to defend against when you have the likes our Carter, Cooper etc in the team. They are attacking threats in an individual capacity as well, whereas someone like Morne Steyn is at best a good distributor on attack, similarly Grant – simply a lack of pace. Would make a similar comparison at fullback – Lambie vs Dagg – both very gifted, but Dagg is very quick and Lambie not. Would play Frans at 12 if Goosen is our starting 10, but maybe not with Morne Steyn.
27 Feb 2013, 11:44 am
@Heavens Game-217:
“Since my 2nd team now is officially the Big Bull Warrior Priests in Light Blue of Cathedral Loftus ”
27 Feb 2013, 11:45 am
@Tacitus-213: well, he managed to walk about 15m without a problem….
But anyways, he will have his day of reckoning in the court.
27 Feb 2013, 11:45 am
@Rockn Rolla-216: Not quite sure who you referring to… But if you are referring to Nama, dont mind him too much… He struggles slightly – like his hero JdV, he is always slightly off the pace…
I blame it on either an overexposure to the Richtersveld Sun or one of them Gods must be Crazy coke bottles clubbing him on the noggin as an adolescent…
Boggled his brains slightly… So, not his fault.
27 Feb 2013, 11:45 am
@Rockn Rolla-216:
Why dont you just say what you mean
27 Feb 2013, 11:46 am
Na laasweek praat ek liewer k@k na die game.
27 Feb 2013, 11:46 am
@Dilligafrican-223:
Indeed.
27 Feb 2013, 11:47 am
@Tacitus-213:
Have you seen the floor plan?
To go from the balcony to the position from where he fired the four shots, he had to go past his bed (where his prosthesis was) AND the exit from the bedroom.
27 Feb 2013, 11:47 am
I think the Stormers are going to be on 0 points after 2 starts in the 2013 tournament.
And the third game is going to go down to the wire. As will the fifth game, against the Crusaders.
27 Feb 2013, 11:48 am
@Dawn-222: Even got me a light blue jersey which I wore with pride while watching the underdogs roger the favoured Conference Title holders and CC Champs silly on Friday…
Black, White and Light Blue… Eish!
27 Feb 2013, 11:49 am
@wpstormerbok-226: lol.
27 Feb 2013, 11:49 am
@Tacitus-229:
Are you expecting the Sharks to open a can of whoopass?
27 Feb 2013, 11:51 am
@Heavens Game-230:
All you need now is the blue KKK outfit
“@Heavens Game-217:
“Since my 2nd team now is officially the Big Bull Warrior Priests in Light Blue of Cathedral Loftus ”
27 Feb 2013, 11:52 am
@Dawn-225:
Because people don’t throw your bags out of windows because of lies; they throw them out because of the truth…….so may i continue saying what i dont mean !!!!
27 Feb 2013, 11:53 am
@WP-Forever-228:
I’m tired of this now. Because we’re all armchair lawyers here.
But tell me this. If you hear a noise in your bathroom, are you expected to wake the entire household from their peaceful sleep, run out into the street and call the armed response every time?
You’re going to feel like a bit of an idiot if it was just a shampoo that fell from the windowsill.
Surely it makes more sense to go and investigate. You’ll be nervous, but not yet completely terrified. Then when you get there, you see the door is closed and you hear more noise from the bathroom. (While utterly convinced that your wife is still in bed next to you).
At that point, who knows what a “reasonable man would do?
If you heard a pistol slide being racked on the other side of the door, what is reasonable then?
If you hear one guy say to the other – “Ok, let’s bust in and shoot these suckers in their bed!”, what is reasonable then?
The scenarios are legion, and not as clear cut as an armchair debater in a nice, safe environment makes it out to be.
27 Feb 2013, 11:53 am
@WP-Forever-232: a whole case full
27 Feb 2013, 11:53 am
And if you p1$$ him off enough he will slip a drop goal from his own goal line. (I wonder what the stats say about his drop goals these days??)
Heavy respect from a Stormerstrooper to a Sardine side. Awesome on paper. As long as they don’t play like they been nibbling on vrot rooi aas or fall for the press reports hook line and sinker.
Lambie, Steyn, Petersen and (in time) Jack Russel Reinach
27 Feb 2013, 11:55 am
@wpstormerbok-226:
Stem 100% saam
n Stil bek is n heel bek
27 Feb 2013, 11:57 am
@Tacitus-229:
I reluctantly agree with you, odds are 0 after 3, Chiefs are going to be tough.
Am hoping we start getting our butts in gear after the bye.
27 Feb 2013, 11:57 am
@hendrikp-210: so hendrik what would your future picks be for the other 5 positions?
27 Feb 2013, 11:59 am
@Tacitus-235:
I am speaking partly as a jurist and partly as a police reservist.
It really is as simple as “I felt that my life and/or the life of another was in serious and imminent threat of being taken and in line with that fear I used force proportional to the level of the threat”.
As long as you can justify that – shoot. Simple really.
27 Feb 2013, 11:59 am
@nama1-87: Tim-Nanai Williams too.
27 Feb 2013, 12:00 pm
@Rockn Rolla-234:
Weird
27 Feb 2013, 12:00 pm
@WP-Forever-241:
Yes, it is the reasonable man test.
27 Feb 2013, 12:00 pm
@Dawn-222: he is such an amoeba!
during the june tests & beginning of RC he was crying that meyer is a genius for only picking eben & jean.. then meyer made the cardinal sin of dropping keegan cullen for fatspermwhale vermuelen & a few sharkies to.the bench & we had a full blown conspiracy until the EOYT….
Spineless.
27 Feb 2013, 12:01 pm
@Heavens Game-53:
Actually I would pay to see a Lambie, Steyn, Serfontein partnership… Or even better a Lambie, Steyn, Serfontein and JPP partnership…
Thats what I mean!!
27 Feb 2013, 12:02 pm
@Sasuke-242: in the cape he would be known as Natnaai Willemse
27 Feb 2013, 12:02 pm
Cheetahs:
15 Hennie Daniller, 14 Willie le Roux, 13 Johann Sadie, 12 Robert Ebersohn, 11 Raymond Rhule, 10 Johan Goosen, 9 Sarel Pretorius, 8 Philip van der Walt, 7 Pieter Labuschagne, 6 Frans Viljoen, 5 Francois Uys, 4 Lodewyk de Jager, 3 Lourens Adriaanse, 2 Adriaan Strauss (captain), 1 Trevor Nyakane
Substitutes: 16 Ryno Barnes, 17 Coenie Oosthuizen, 18 Rynhard Landman, 19 Johannes Prinsloo, 20 Piet van Zyl, 21 Riaan Smith, 22 Ryno Benjamin
27 Feb 2013, 12:03 pm
@Tacitus-235:
@WP-Forever-241:
Listen
You are actually agreeing with each other so just quit it both of you
PS: WTF is a jurist
27 Feb 2013, 12:04 pm
@Dilligafrican-214: Did JDJ play???
27 Feb 2013, 12:05 pm
@Dawn-249:
Ok Dawn. By the way, do you know whatever the hell has happened to Katman? This place is a dump without his wit.
Is he on a sabattical until the Lions return or what? I know you have contact with him outside of this forum. Tell him this place is sorely missing some common sense and witty banter.
Gunther can’t carry the entire burden on his own.
27 Feb 2013, 12:05 pm
I didn’t know he is a Stormers supporter.
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27 Feb 2013, 12:07 pm
@grant10-250: Would have made no difference. Elton had a mare, the forwards were rubbish so no good ball for the backs.
27 Feb 2013, 12:08 pm
@Dilligafrican-252:
Hey, watch out with jokes about that. Our enlightened little Bagel is gonna call you h*mophobic soon.
27 Feb 2013, 12:09 pm
I see some things haven’t changed. Tacitus is constructing shooting fantasies and HG is well just a fantasy.
In the meantime Skop is advocating Deon Fourie as the second best hooker in the land. Well, Fourie better be paying his clients ’cause he sure as hell cannot throw. A great 6 and a piss poor 2 who cannot throw or scrum.
27 Feb 2013, 12:10 pm
Personally I would have moved Fourie to 6, Siya to 7 with Duane at 8 and Carr covering from the bench. Martin can be the starting hooker. Elsadt to 4 in place of de Kock.
A simple simple fix to last week’s debacle.
27 Feb 2013, 12:11 pm
@mikeybrass-255:
See, that’s why I don’t want to get involved in that debate. Because that’s not at all what I’m doing. I’m just saying judge the case on its merit once the facts are available.
But I’ve lost interest in it, so let’s can it, please.
27 Feb 2013, 12:11 pm
@Tacitus-254: I’ve heard rumours as to what they do with bagels…
27 Feb 2013, 12:12 pm
@Dilligafrican-253: Never said he would….just saying I dont agree with okes stating as fact that JDJ is s defensive liability….what a crock of s hit!
27 Feb 2013, 12:12 pm
@mikeybrass-255: get Deon to kick for poles and Elton to throw in the line outs.
27 Feb 2013, 12:13 pm
@grant10-259: Shouldn’t you be changing your nic to Elton10?
27 Feb 2013, 12:15 pm
@Tacitus-251:
Not so much in contact nowadays
Will do if and when I see him
27 Feb 2013, 12:16 pm
@stormersboy-140: Exactly !!
27 Feb 2013, 12:20 pm
@mikeybrass-256: That’s what I suggested earlier during the week, but Proudfoot is “covering” for Fourie by saying that the supporters in the lineout did not do their jobs properly
27 Feb 2013, 12:20 pm
15. Joe Pietersen
14. Gio Aplon
13. Jean de Villiers (captain)
12. Damian de Allende
11. Bryan Habana
10. Elton Jantjies
9. Nic Groom
8. Duane Vermeulen (vice-captain)
7. Rynhardt Elstadt
6. Siya Kolisi
5. Andries Bekker
4. De Kock Steenkamp
3. Frans Malherbe
2. Deon Fourie
1. Steven Kitshoff
Reserves:
16. Martin Bezuidenhout
17. Pat Cilliers
18. Don Armand
19. Nizaam Carr
20. Louis Schreuder
21. Peter Grant
22. Gerhard van den Heever
Referee: Jonathan Kaplan
27 Feb 2013, 12:22 pm
@Heavens Game-160:
Frans “Ek het nie jou fcokkn oor gebyt nie” Steyn
Gyesie “kaptein is kaptein kaptein” Pienaar
27 Feb 2013, 12:22 pm
Kitshoff lucky to retain his spot….he really dissapointed ….I think Proudfoot would have had a good chat to him
27 Feb 2013, 12:23 pm
@Tacitus-257: It’d be a blessed relief if it is canned on a rugby blog.
Having Poops and HG around is bad enough without the terrible murder being thrown in.
Good start for the Bulls, btw. We need you guys to knock over a few of the Australasians for us.
27 Feb 2013, 12:24 pm
@Dilligafrican-261: my first name is Grant and I played 10…….nothing to do with Peter Grant
27 Feb 2013, 12:24 pm
Stormers play great defensive rugby. Taken them three seasons to perfect. Another three seasons and hopefully they learn to attack (without forgetting how to defend). Michelak showed last year how to break their defensive pattern with little kicks behind flat backline (and Bekker, their utility back). Wonder if Lambie will do same this week?
27 Feb 2013, 12:24 pm
Had to laugh at this:
Best bet so far : If the Kings don’t get a 100 against them its a back, crack & sack wax.
Any takers?
27 Feb 2013, 12:25 pm
@grant10-267: Dropping a player after one bad game is a bad move. He’ll be back.
@CharlesM-264: Fourie can’t hit a barn door from 2cm away.
27 Feb 2013, 12:26 pm
@grant10-265: Is that the official team?
27 Feb 2013, 12:27 pm
@grant10-269: could you kick the ball further than 20 meter Peter?
27 Feb 2013, 12:28 pm
Blue Bulls:
15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Sampie Mastriet, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Mornè Steyn, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Pierre Spies (captain), 7 Arno Botha, 6 Jacques Potgieter, 5 Juandrè Kruger, 4 Flip van der Merwe, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 1 Mornè Mellett.
Substitutes: 16 Willie Wepener, 17 Frik Kirsten, 18 Grant Hattingh, 19 Jean Cook, 20 Jano Vermaak, 21 Louis Fouchè , 22 Jan Serfontein.
27 Feb 2013, 12:28 pm
@mikeybrass-273: yip
27 Feb 2013, 12:29 pm
@Dilligafrican-274: If I had the south easter behind me…
27 Feb 2013, 12:29 pm
@mikeybrass-272: Influence Matfield had on Bulls line-out planning scuppered Stormers. Lost early ball and got confused. Only team understanding Bekker’s calls at line-out were the Bulls – don’t even think Bekker got them.
27 Feb 2013, 12:30 pm
good to see Jan Serfontein there
27 Feb 2013, 12:31 pm
@grant10-277: lol….what’s the latest on Eenbal? How long out for?
27 Feb 2013, 12:31 pm
@mikeybrass-272: agree
27 Feb 2013, 12:32 pm
@FrenklyMuDeah-278: Bekker should have called more balls on himself. As someone so eloquently put – how the hell do you miss the 7 foot ****** in the middle?
27 Feb 2013, 12:33 pm
@Dilligafrican-280: eenbal? Not sure who you referring too there…
27 Feb 2013, 12:36 pm
@hendrikp-210:
The Blues went well you were picking them to lose basically every game, never under estimate the messiah GH.
27 Feb 2013, 12:37 pm
@wpstormerbok-226:
27 Feb 2013, 12:37 pm
@grant10-283: Taute
27 Feb 2013, 12:38 pm
@grant10-283: Jirra, maar jy’s doff, Jaco!
;lol:
27 Feb 2013, 12:38 pm
@Dilligafrican-282: That is funny. Personally I think Bekker doesn’t want lineout ball to interfere with his time to reach his position in the backline.
27 Feb 2013, 12:39 pm
What Tacitus is missing in his logic is this: he is more concerned about the TASK of defending rather than the PERSON
The vulnerable PERSON here is the girlfriend who also became the victim. If your primary consideration is her safety and yours, you would act very differently.
In other words: he would first make sure that she is safe (because he loves her so much and not just the benefits she brings) and then try and investigate if need be. The threat was not approaching him, he approached it.
In those moments he could have secured her first. Unknowingly he is telling us he is moving away from her instead of towards her to ensure her safety.
Lets consider the reasonable noises that come from a toilet. We’ve all been to the toilet enough times so need to elaborate. Suffice to say that if I hear the usual sounds I would not regard it as a threat. If the sounds are unusual you would say to your partner: ‘Did you also hear that?’
The ‘reasonable man’ would then say: You run downstairs so long and call the security and phone the police.
And then of course: WHY DID THE DOGS NOT BARK ? The ‘threat’ or intruder in all likelihood had to go passed the dogs if the open window was what convinced you that whoever was in the toilet was indeed a threat.
And then to be safe fired away 4 times and then hit his girlfriend who was now hiding in the left-hand corner of the 1.4m x 1.14m toilet.
As Chief Magistrate Desmond Nair stated: there are some improbabilities that will surely be further explored during the trial.
The more probable flow of events is: sms comes in > boyfriend sees it > gets angry, argument > fit of jealous rage > victim runs for safety into toilet > boyfriend follows and pulls trigger> What have I done????
27 Feb 2013, 12:39 pm
Louis Fouche give me strength.
Good to see Cook in the mix.
And Sampie.
27 Feb 2013, 12:40 pm
@WP-Forever-158: Now that I think of it….. oh boy.
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-159: Your menopausal mantrums are weak and tiresome Tyrone.
Miley Cyrus and Lindsay Lohan tiresome.
What is that I hear? Itsthosegreenerfuckingpasturesyouleftforoncebefore. They want you back.
27 Feb 2013, 12:41 pm
@Sheriff-289: Some-one that pretty makes the noises I do in the bathroom I wouldn’t have believed either it was her
27 Feb 2013, 12:42 pm
@gunther-290: Louis Fouche is Bakkies’s Bok dark horse. I have yet to meet anyone else who rates the kid as highly as Bakkies.
He ain’t bad, but in the current pecking order, way down.
27 Feb 2013, 12:45 pm
On last Saturday’s game I think Wynand outplayed JdV.
27 Feb 2013, 12:46 pm
@grant10-276: Damn. Mannetjies de Jong hasn’t made it
I like JdJ and de Allende. Personally I think JdV hinders a fluid backline attack these days.
@FrenklyMuDeah-278: Bekker needs Etzebeth to calm him down and to have the security of a hooker who can throw. Hell, even I could throw better than Fourie.
27 Feb 2013, 12:46 pm
@Saffex-189:
I like both players but are we to accept that Juan de Jongh is too small for 13 and Paul Jordaan is a good size for 13?
The Wiki Gospel offers:
Paul Jordaan – 1,80m (5’11”) 88kgs
Juan de Jongh – 1,75m (5’9”) 88kgs
Is it correct that de Jongh “falls well short in the physical stakes and is knocked backwards in contact”?
And Jordaan, “a real prospect for 13” will impose himself and knock the opposition backwards in contact?
If this is true Jordaan’s 88kgs obviously carry a lot more weight than de Jongh’s.
Or is it Jordaan’s elusive running that gets him your vote over de Jongh’s pedestrian pace? de Jongh obviously did not prove elusive against the Sharks in ‘that’ game. The Sharks must have let him through for a straight forward try.
The WG says Jan Serfontein is 1,87m and 97kgs and I can accept him being selected over both of the other two on the criterion of size alone.
They are all very talented youngsters however.
27 Feb 2013, 12:47 pm
@Hop Hop Spinnekop-286: no idea….
27 Feb 2013, 12:55 pm
@Tacitus-235:
You are giving the Defense way too many ideas!!
I like the one: “I was on my stompies and I heard a pisstol on the other side of the door”
27 Feb 2013, 12:59 pm
The Sharks
1. Tendai Mtawarira
2. Craig Burden
3. Jannie du Plessis
4. Anton Bresler
5. Franco van der Merwe
6. Marcell Coetzee
7. Jean Deysel
8. Ryan Kankowski
9. Cobus Reinach
10. Patrick Lambie
11. Lwazi Mvovo
12. Francois Steyn (Captain)
13. Paul Jordaan
14. JP Pietersen
15. Louis Ludik
Replacements
16. Kyle Cooper
17. Wiehahn Herbst
18. Pieter-Steph du Toit
19. Jacques Botes
20. Charl McLeod
21. Meyer Bosman
22. Odwa Ndungane
27 Feb 2013, 13:01 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-299:
Hell-of-a-side that
27 Feb 2013, 13:03 pm
I predict Louis Fouche will get 2 more seasons and then just as Pollard threatens to pack his bags and leave the Bulls will finally catch a wake up and take some long overdue action.
Interesting, if Grant’s team is the official one, what happened to Frans Venter?
Dropped or injured?
27 Feb 2013, 13:06 pm
@FrenklyMuDeah-292:
Some personal noises from the bathroom could be construed as a threat to safety ……
27 Feb 2013, 13:06 pm
@Tacitus-301: b0th are official teams
27 Feb 2013, 13:07 pm
@grant10-303:
Yes, I just checked the Bulls website.
Glad Serfontein got his chance. Pity Pollard didn’t get a chance too.
27 Feb 2013, 13:09 pm
@Tacitus-304: yes…..he should of stayed in CT…
27 Feb 2013, 13:09 pm
@grant10-303: Stormers fooked with that selection. Scrums and lineouts to suffer and the knockon effect will be felt in the backs. Chalk up another loss. I think the Stormers should be happy with a losing bonus point.
27 Feb 2013, 13:10 pm
Back to the noises… remember it was the noises that made him feel threatened as he did not see the intruder, so we’re dealing with audio here.
I’ve tried to think of a polite way to say this: you would reasonably expect noises emanating from:
* Liquids
* Solids
* Gases
One or combinations thereof. ‘Threatening’ is not what to (the reasonable man’s) mind
I reckon the prosecution had the phone records already at bail stage clearly showing the incoming sms, but did not want to give their trump card away at round 1. Preps there were minor technicalities that they needed to resolve for example: the incoming sms did not show a number so more work was needed on that.
27 Feb 2013, 13:11 pm
@grant10-305: scroll back a bit, i posted the Sharks team.
27 Feb 2013, 13:11 pm
@grant10-305:
Yes, sure. Because we all know he would have played in Cape Town ahead of Grant and Jantjies…
27 Feb 2013, 13:11 pm
@grant10-305: Still too young, needs another season.
27 Feb 2013, 13:12 pm
@pompies2-306: scary thought…then the chiefs up next….fark…
27 Feb 2013, 13:13 pm
@Tacitus-309: we would not of needed Jantjes……if he stayed.
27 Feb 2013, 13:14 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-308: saw it….big loose trio….
27 Feb 2013, 13:15 pm
@Tacitus-309: so better he sit in Bulls Vodacom cup team than WP vodacom Cup team?
27 Feb 2013, 13:16 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-291: And so are your ignorant interferring whining blabbering posts to think i am someone you want me to be and 2ndly to think you will get under my skin?? If you are half the woman or decent woman you proclaim to be????????? which i very much doubt.
Scroll by, do it with speed ok? I have no desire to have a convo with you in any way
get the drift? 
27 Feb 2013, 13:16 pm
@grant10-314:
Err…what’s your argument, Grantie?
27 Feb 2013, 13:16 pm
@grant10-311: I think there might be some change from the Chiefs in the tight phases, because they only use the tight phases as a platform for attack and not domination. The prefer the tight-loose phases. The Sharks though will look to dominate the scrums and lineouts. Jantjies will also be under extreme defensive pressure, so expect a very direct attack aimed at the inside channels and using Jordaan to step against and use his pace against JdV.
27 Feb 2013, 13:16 pm
@Sheriff-307: Could be some growling too
@grant10-313: Eenbal is Taute, aka Numbnuts.
27 Feb 2013, 13:17 pm
@grant10-313: That means nothing Grant, It all depends on who wants it the most on the day, both teams have their pro’s and cons.
27 Feb 2013, 13:17 pm
Hype about Taute. I wonder what he really brings to the table other than big and running straight powerful lines once at cruising speed (any fullback must be able to kick).
Really don’t see the difference between him and Daniller
Flip, the Stormtroopers need some backline jet fuel
27 Feb 2013, 13:18 pm
@Tacitus-316: die kaap is naaiser as Snorcity
27 Feb 2013, 13:18 pm
@Tacitus-316: no argument….just think if we managed to keep him he would have got the same , if not more, exposure here in CT….
27 Feb 2013, 13:19 pm
I’m more interested in exploring the Stormers season from here on out should they lose on Saturday.
Does the Chiefs game then become a must win for them?
27 Feb 2013, 13:19 pm
AlIster Coetsee got no f’ng clue just like his clueless mentor Jake he’s busy f’ng up Stormers with his conservative cancerous cowardice. One dimensional robots heading for a slaughter like the Boks of 2006 no difference. Not a f’ng clue in the world of any rugby related vision.
27 Feb 2013, 13:20 pm
@grant10-322: Don’t forget we took Carel Dups lighty from you too
27 Feb 2013, 13:21 pm
@@whistle@blower@-320: habana can still change a game by himself. If he caught that ball that Daniller did Saturday the Sharks’ record would read P1 W0 L0 D1
27 Feb 2013, 13:21 pm
@pompies2-317: @Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-319: Sharks have chosen a pack to try ddominate….they were hapy to go with Botes against Cheetahs as they expected an open game…they are gearing for a war of attrition against Stormers…
It will be a low scoring , dour affair, similar to the bulls stormers game imo
27 Feb 2013, 13:21 pm
@Tacitus-323: Not necessarily, unless they fail to score bonus point victories and get maximum losing bonus points. Victories become non-negotiable
27 Feb 2013, 13:22 pm
@skopdiekan-324: That’s professor jake to you.
27 Feb 2013, 13:22 pm
@grant10-322: Aren’t we vodacom champs?
27 Feb 2013, 13:23 pm
@Tacitus-323: sharks game is a must win imo…..
27 Feb 2013, 13:23 pm
@Tacitus-323: Tacci i cannot see how that will be the case as the Stormers would have played both games away from home, there are those games away that they will win.
Way to early to make that call, Sharks played in the final last year? we all know how their season started.
27 Feb 2013, 13:24 pm
@Tacitus-323:
No, Sharks lost to both Stormers and Bulls in the opening rounds of last years S15.
Sharks did get losing bonus points though, which may have helped in the end.
27 Feb 2013, 13:24 pm
@grant10-327: They’ll be smarter in their attack than that. Domination at the contact point will be their plan. Opens things up quite a bit.
27 Feb 2013, 13:25 pm
@stormersboy-330: and CC champs….and u 19 champs……
but fark me I want that superrugby title man….
27 Feb 2013, 13:26 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-315:
Typical Tyrone
27 Feb 2013, 13:27 pm
please keep picking JDV for the bokke
he was past it in 2011
and Frans Steyn is so over rated. ordinary player.
27 Feb 2013, 13:27 pm
@Dilligafrican-326:
Im in the sticks. Not watched the matches.
Agree about Habana. For sure
Just wondering about Taute. Only difference between him and Daniller is probably brut force.
If you have him, Frans Steyn and JdV in one team, you have the muscle. But no running creativity other than head down and bash. (Just referring to HM’s Springbok thinking)
27 Feb 2013, 13:27 pm
@grant10-335:
A little bit of advice: You ain’t gonna win that Superrugby title this year. Even if you HAD beaten the Bulls last week, you still weren’t gonna win that title. You’re just not good enough.
27 Feb 2013, 13:27 pm
@grant10-335: Yes I know, that was more Tacitus’ benefit when he asked what the difference would be between Pollard playing VC rugby here and there
27 Feb 2013, 13:28 pm
Just can’t see us beating the Sharks on Saturday.
Possible, but improbable.
27 Feb 2013, 13:28 pm
@pompies2-334: yeah…..my take is these bloody stormers got us in the kak….so they must now get us out the kak….Not happy with no JDJ…..he must not of recovered enough…..the stormers 12 and 13 are too similar and 1 dimensional imo….
I would have started with De Allende at 12 and JDJ…13
27 Feb 2013, 13:29 pm
@grant10-342:
Sharks are missing Alberts and Bismark, which gives you a faint outside chance. But I’m not picking you guys on Superbru, that’s for sure.
27 Feb 2013, 13:31 pm
The Guppies
15. Louis Ludik
14. JP Pietersen
13. Paul Jordaan
12. Francois Steyn (C)
11. Lwazi Mvovo
10. Patrick Lambie
9. Cobus Reinach
8. Ryan Kankowski
7. Jean Deysel
6. Marcell Coetzee
5. Franco van der Merwe
4. Anton Bresler
3. Jannie du Plessis
2. Craig Burden
1. Tendai Mtawarira
Replacements
16. Kyle Cooper
17. Wiehahn Herbst
18. Pieter-Steph du Toit
19. Jacques Botes
20. Charl McLeod
21. Meyer Bosman
22. Odwa Ndungane
27 Feb 2013, 13:31 pm
@Tacitus-343:
Neither did I.
That’s our only chance.
I tend to put the kiss of death on the sides I pick.
27 Feb 2013, 13:32 pm
Robb Houwing is surely the most irritating sports columnist for any neutral (read non-Stormers supporting) reader.
His bias shines through so clearly, despite what he obviously considers to be silky writing that “hides” it.
27 Feb 2013, 13:33 pm
@Tacitus-339: Same side as last year….with added depth…so I thought we had a shot….poor draw has us on the backfoot…..hoping we can show ballas and fight back….
Bulls got no chance either….will be exposed as soon as M Steyn leaves the shores and misses the melktert and koeksisters
Reality is sharks probably have best chance…..play the best brand of rugby as well….Plum far more astute than Bulls and stormers coaches…imo
27 Feb 2013, 13:33 pm
@Dawn-336: Nope typical me, but hey you seem to be very TYPICAL yourself,
27 Feb 2013, 13:33 pm
@grant10-342: Not ready yet. He and Tiaan will be in the mix next week.
27 Feb 2013, 13:34 pm
The bloody brokebacks.
15. Joe Pietersen
14. Gio Aplon
13. Jean de Villiers (captain)
12. Damian de Allende
11. Bryan Habana
10. Elton Jantjies
9. Nic Groom
8. Duane Vermeulen (vice-captain)
7. Rynhardt Elstadt
6. Siya Kolisi
5. Andries Bekker
4. De Kock Steenkamp
3. Frans Malherbe
2. Deon Fourie
1. Steven Kitshoff
Reserves:
16. Martin Bezuidenhout
17. Pat Cilliers
18. Don Armand
19. Nizaam Carr
20. Louis Schreuder
21. Peter Grant
22. Gerhard van den Heever
27 Feb 2013, 13:34 pm
@RL-344:
Very surprised they’ve gone with Coetzee at openside.
Might be because the Stormers dont have an out and out fetcher there either.
Good team though.
27 Feb 2013, 13:35 pm
@RL-344: Too slow RL, posted the team long ago lol but hey ur getting there
27 Feb 2013, 13:37 pm
@grant10-347:
In my view the Stormers had an incredibly lucky run last year, winning something like 7 or 8 games by narrow margins.
And even that wasn’t enough for them to progress past the semifinals.
If they operate at exactly the same level, you’d expect the law of averages to bring about losses to about 3 or 4 of those lucky wins they had last year.
You can’t win a coin toss 14 times in a row.
So that means they could perform at exactly the same standard as last year, but end up with only 10 wins. Since 14 wins weren’t enough to bring home the cup last year, I seriously don’t think 10 wins will do it for them this year.
Personally I predict 10 wins for the Stormers this season, 11 wins for the Bulls, and 11 ord 12 wins for the Sharks.
27 Feb 2013, 13:37 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-352:
We understand his excitement though.
Ever since he jumped ship he actually looks forward to a week end of watching rugby without having to listen to his captain’s losing speech.
Still an alien feeling I would believe.
27 Feb 2013, 13:37 pm
@Tacitus-343: I have sharks by 12…..although I did predict when rather the moer in with the stormers….
27 Feb 2013, 13:39 pm
@stormersboy-349: good news that…
27 Feb 2013, 13:40 pm
@nortierd-354:
27 Feb 2013, 13:42 pm
@grant10-355:
Also got so irritated after last weeks picks, I made mine for round 3 on Saturday evening. Can’t do worse than round 2, or I certainly hope so.
Went Sharks by 13 I think
27 Feb 2013, 13:44 pm
@Tacitus-353: yes…..I hardly ever miss a game at Newlands and must have been the most frustrated Stormers fan ever last year…..the defend and skop en jag and tackle was actually cowardly imo….that is not what WP rugby is about…..Sharks showed what SA teams are capable of in last 4 …5 weeks of the super season…..things looked up, at times, in the CC…..but even then we got lucky at times…..however with the Lions stars coming across, especially Cilliers, I thought maybe we would embrace a more expansive game and have a shot….
so far dismal……same old same old with losses instead of narrow wins….
AC and the management team need to take a look in the mirror…
27 Feb 2013, 13:44 pm
@grant10-356: Tiaan was training today, so he’s actually very close, just some conditioning.
I understand that we as supporters would see wholesale changes after a very frustrating loss but in one sense I can see what AC is doing by not just throwing out players after one bad performance.
Deon, Damian, Elton, Jaco all played badly but they will be key members of the team for the year so damaging their confidence now by dropping them may come back to bite them big time.
27 Feb 2013, 13:46 pm
@grant10-359:
Well it’s interesting. Allistair is most certainly playing a brand of rugby that is totally alien to the WP tradition, but at the same time, he is the only one who has achieved results with them for more than a decade.
It seems the WP faithful have to accept that their traditional game is not a winning one.
Hence, either you accept Allistair’s ‘Bulls rugby” approach, or you go back to the days of Kobus van der Merwe and all of the other false prophets you had in recent years.
27 Feb 2013, 13:47 pm
@grant10-347: Until such time as you lot learn how to attack you will not win the SR title.
27 Feb 2013, 13:47 pm
@stormersboy-360:
Please ask the nr’s 1-8 to get out of the backline when they practice again.
The poor Stormer’s nr10 must make do with the bad ball while the fatboys want the good ball
27 Feb 2013, 13:49 pm
@stormersboy-360:
I predict another loss against the Sharks, followed by wholesale changes for the Chiefs game, which in my view would be a game too late, as it will take another week for these new players to settle in. So then another loss to the Chiefs as a result, followed by a most invonvenient bye, robbing the new guys of the match practice they need, only to have to start again from fresh against the Brumbies.
You’ll win the Brumbies game, although with some patchy performances by some veteran players, and then the Crusaders game is going to be a humdinger, as you have to decide whether to go with Grant or Elton for the Crusaders game.
If you lose to the Crusaders, then it’s gonna be a looong season, as 4 losses up front are very difficult to come back from. I’m not talking about qualifying in the top 6, which you will probably still do. I’m talking about getting a home semi, which will then be impossible to achieve unless the Sharks implode catastrophically.
27 Feb 2013, 13:51 pm
X -factor? Xingwana factor.
http://m.mg.co.za/index.php?view=article&urlid=2013-02-27-xingwana-raises-ire-with-remarks-in-calvinist-afrikaners
27 Feb 2013, 13:53 pm
@stormersboy-360: aGREE…THEY MADE THE KAK…LET THEM GET US OUT THE KAK….fark…sorry caps @Tacitus-361: A middle ground needs to be found…..the Chiefs , Saders, Reds and Sharks are the teams I enjoy watching….the Cheetahs try but suffer with the lack of a pack with menace….
Stormers, Bulls, Waratahs, can be farken boring…..
Regretfully the Stormers were able to get away with that drivel because they were scraping home…..but I said it was a matter of time before the wheels would come off….at least it happened against a SA team that was playing the type of rugby I love….[ referring to sharks in semi last year ]
27 Feb 2013, 13:54 pm
Briesers going with a bigger back row than the one that was bullied by the Bulls.
Maybe looking for more targets for Stevie Wonder at the lineouts.
27 Feb 2013, 13:55 pm
@Tacitus-364: Saturdays game is an absolute must win for Stormers…..
They will be fired up…..no doubts…whether it will be enough is another question, but the mood will be a lot different to the team that got mauled at Loftus….that first 40 minutes was nothing short of a nightmare.
27 Feb 2013, 13:57 pm
@Transformation-365:
Quick question, whats hapened to Mbiyozo? Is he still with the Kings.
There was another big, hard running black wing that was with them as well, forget his name.
27 Feb 2013, 13:58 pm
@gunther-367: same loose trio as Bulls game for stormers
27 Feb 2013, 13:58 pm
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Super15/SANZAR-Bulls-try-no-try-20130227
27 Feb 2013, 13:59 pm
@gunther-367:
Same back row I think.
Bulls caught them napping, dont think itll be the same this weekend.
27 Feb 2013, 13:59 pm
@Transformation-365:
Old news, Trannie. What’s the point commenting on something like that?
She just shows her prejudice, and any aggressive, retaliatory comments just helps her case.
So just grin and bear it, despite the obvious fallacies in her statement. Talking about “owning” women, we’re not the ones with 4 wives now, are we…
27 Feb 2013, 14:00 pm
According to the Supersport.com website, statistics show that not only were penalties down per game, but scrum completion rates came in at 66%, above the average of 60% last season, making the first full round of Super Rugby a positive start to the 2013 season.
The only drawback it seems, was one decision to award the Bulls a try in their win over the Stormers, which SANZAR referees boss Lyndon Bray admitted was a mistake.
Bray has confirmed that the decision was indeed incorrect and that a penalty should have been awarded to the Stormers, instead of a try to the Bulls.
The argument whether this would have made a difference or not is pure conjecture, but referee Jaco Peyper has received a dressing down from his superiors, although Bray has called it “disappointing” that the try was awarded in the first place.
“It’s a simple answer really, Jaco knows he was wrong and he has to take accountability for that,” Bray explained.
“In the incident, we see the Bulls 9 kick the ball and the Bulls 2 is in front of 9. At best the Stormers player plays the ball if it indeed does hit him, and in that case the law is very clear. Number 2 is within 10 metres of the ball, and he needs to retire. He may have been close to the player receiving the ball, but the reality is he is offside and not allowed to come within 10 metres of the player who plays at the ball.
“The fact that the Stormers player plays the ball does not put him onside unless he is retiring. The only way he could have been onside would have been if the ball was charged down, and it is clearly not that, so the referee got that wrong.
“What is disappointing is that the law is really very well known to referees at this level and it is very disappointing that he got that wrong.”
The Bulls beat the Stormers 25-17.
27 Feb 2013, 14:01 pm
@Transformation-365: Is it not Xhosa’s who have to trek up a mountain in a “becoming a man heathen ritual” covered from head to toe in white clay (piepie excluded cause it will be chopped) – where they are taught such manly things as ‘raping virgins to sure disease’, ‘female bashing with knobkirries’ and ‘abdution’ etc.
NC NC NC comrade minister doth forget.
27 Feb 2013, 14:02 pm
@grant10-374:
Incorrect by old Bray. The ref was already playing a penalty advantage to the Bulls, meaning they would have come back for the 3 pointer straight in front of the posts.
So 3 points to the Bulls instead of 7, not a complete reversal of the penalty in favour of the Stormers.
27 Feb 2013, 14:03 pm
@Transformation-365:
She’s a useless as a marzipandildo.
Trying to raise her profile because Zoomer’s about to fire her.
Another ANC talking head.
Won’t be missed.
27 Feb 2013, 14:04 pm
@Transformation-365:
And as for that Predator looking woman, ya right.
I swear, sometimes i think these people reckon that before the white man arrived the natives were all peace loving hippies with flowers in their hair.
27 Feb 2013, 14:05 pm
@Tacitus-376: would of got a bonus point possibly….1 point can make a difference
27 Feb 2013, 14:05 pm
@Dilligafrican-362: We scored 2 tries in a losing game, against the Bulls 1. Attack with ball in hand was not the problem. Converting the attacking opportunities into points was.
27 Feb 2013, 14:07 pm
@John Galt-369:mpho is still with the Kings partbof the wider group.
@RL-375: you are talking out of your ignorant nought as always… as you were.
can you post the Lions’ fixture list while you’re at it, when is your next Test?
27 Feb 2013, 14:07 pm
@Tacitus-364: Do you have the lotto numbers for Friday perchance too?
27 Feb 2013, 14:08 pm
@stormersboy-380:
How many kicks did Elton miss, again?
27 Feb 2013, 14:08 pm
@stormersboy-382:
If I did I wouldn’t be sharing it on this blog. Smiley face.
27 Feb 2013, 14:16 pm
The only drawback it seems, was one decision to award the Bulls a try in their win over the Stormers, which Sanzar referees boss Lyndon Bray admitted was a mistake.
Bray has confirmed that the decision was indeed incorrect and that a penalty should have been awarded to the Stormers, instead of a try to the Bulls.
The argument whether this would have made a difference or not is pure conjecture, but Jaco Peyper has received a dressing down from his superiors, although Bray has called it “disappointing” that the try was awarded in the first place.
27 Feb 2013, 14:18 pm
@grant10-374: ah beat me to it.
27 Feb 2013, 14:21 pm
@John Galt-369:
You mean Paul Perez? He’s Samoan and is somewhere in Europe…
27 Feb 2013, 14:22 pm
Stormers by 3.
27 Feb 2013, 14:29 pm
@stormersboy-380: no bonuspunte for tries scored in whole tourney means iets issie Reggie
27 Feb 2013, 14:32 pm
@mxhosa-387:
No not Perez.
Another bloke, wears very tight shorts. He might actually be with one of the other EC sides.
27 Feb 2013, 14:33 pm
@Dilligafrican-389: Topping the log at the end of the league phase means something is spot on!
27 Feb 2013, 14:47 pm
@Tacitus-373:
I am not convinced that Afrikaner males are just ‘grinning and bearing it’
I think it was uncalled for for the (dis)honourable minister to make a comment like that, especially in view of the fact Oscar probably sees himself as English.
Oscar is just a (one man) sample of what’s going down on out there. My sense is that it is about to boil over.
The anger is extremely deep. Bruxism abounds.
27 Feb 2013, 14:50 pm
@Transformation-381: Whats your story with RL… His Super Rugby team plays this Saturday against overwhelming favourites the Stormers, who lets not forget are CC Champs and Conference Title Holders… Yes, RL is a supporter of the Black and White Dynamite… He is a Sharky. Like you are a Stormer supporter, especially after the Kings take their 1st 100 pt smack
27 Feb 2013, 14:51 pm
@Sheriff-392:
Whose anger are you talking about? What is going to boil over into what?
27 Feb 2013, 14:52 pm
@Sasuke-391: Topping the log at the end of the league phase and then getting farked up something silly by a Mercenary side who had already being to Aus and back the week before means something is not spot on…
You mean?
27 Feb 2013, 14:53 pm
@Heavens Game-393:
Dont be so hard on the stormers supporters.
Imagine if the underdogs pull off a surprise win!
27 Feb 2013, 14:53 pm
@Tacitus-373:
I have no wish to have 4 wives
One is expensive enough
4 mothers-in-law, no thank you, I’ll pass on that.
27 Feb 2013, 14:54 pm
@Heavens Game-393: Eish you see our useless team?? Stormers going to smack us 6-0 6-0
27 Feb 2013, 14:54 pm
@nortierd-397:
I dont have the stamina for 4 woman.
27 Feb 2013, 14:57 pm
@nortierd-397: The expense is bearable… Its the farken nagging that gets to me…
And the emotional blackmail… Like “Darling, you did Rugby last weekend, so this weekend its… yada, yada, yada….”
Multiply that by 4 and you’re farked…
Naah, mistresses and polish maids are definitely the way forward for spice of life variety….
27 Feb 2013, 14:57 pm
@Fern-399:
That too.
27 Feb 2013, 14:58 pm
@Fern-396: Ja. And Transie is a Stormer supporter through and through…
27 Feb 2013, 15:00 pm
@Heavens Game-402:
RL can support The Sharks in the Super rugby because his team is not in the tournament.
Transie cannot support gor eg the stormers in The Heineken Cup because they dont play in that tournament so he has to choose another team.
Same thing and very simple.
27 Feb 2013, 15:07 pm
@Tacitus-394:
If anger had a colour, then right now it will probably be ‘white’
Because it is so hard for people to let go of their ‘white supremacy’ beliefs, they get frustrated with what is happening in SA, most notably in the political arena.
They convince themselves that during Apartheid there a lot more peace, order and stability. You must remember I move in cross cultural circles so I listen to what people say, how they say, what they don’t say and so on.
Many fear intruders (read Blacks) and this fear becomes anger and hatred. I’m not convinced that we have progressed since 1994. Fear is like a magnet; the very thing you fear comes upon you.
Hence the need for safety (if you know what I mean)
27 Feb 2013, 15:08 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-398: Ja, we farked… Player for player Sharks are definitely substandard….
Frontrow: Beast, Burden and Jannie vs Ginger Ninja, Fourie and Malherbe
Verdict: Sharks will be in Turbo reverse all game long…
Locks: Steenkamp and Bekker vs Bresler and Franco
Verdict: We farked… Stormers air superiority definitely.
Loosies: Coetzee, Deysel, Kanko vs Elstadt, Vermeulen, Kolisi
Verdict: Looks like Domination for the awesome Storming loose trio by far
Halfbacks: Reinach and Lambie vs Groom and Jantjies
Verdict: Chuckling even at the thought that Bambi got even half a chance here
Centers: JdV and De Allende vs Steyn and Jordaan
Verdict: Dont make me farken larf – A fatty and midget against the Gods Gift to Rugby Center pairing. Sharks are fcked.
Back 3: Ludik, JPP and Mvovo vs Habana, Petersen and Aplon
Verdict: Sharks are no hopers against the might of Habana and the awesome skill and power of Joe…
Verdict overall: The Conference Title holders and Currie Cup Champs to win by a Country mile vs the Dirtbin Mercenaries…
Surely?
27 Feb 2013, 15:10 pm
@Sheriff-392: the minister is a dimwit
why do we even concern ourselves with the garbage she spews?
27 Feb 2013, 15:10 pm
@Fern-403: RL is a Sharky now… He will find that once a Sharky always a Sharky…. He cannot go back to vanilla after eating chocolate.
Transie is just one confused umfanawami… (I reckon it could be high BP due to weight problems… or something along those lines… Maybe too many silver bullets consumed to try impress Rossoneri
)
27 Feb 2013, 15:11 pm
@Heavens Game-405:
What is the big hype about table mountain anyway.
Want to see real mountains?
Drakensberg Mountains
But we know how sensitive and overhyped these bent little butterflies from the fairest cape are.
Rangerman is 8 days in Moz on a spearfishing trip,I wish him good viz and long bottom time.
27 Feb 2013, 15:12 pm
@Heavens Game-407:
True.
transie is a wannabe struglle hero.
27 Feb 2013, 15:13 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-398: eish, go easy on the love
27 Feb 2013, 15:15 pm
@Fern-408: Ja… The Visdorpie residents seem to have a chip on the shoulder…
Maybe its because they see that maybe they actually not as South African as the rest of us…
“I wish him good viz and long bottom time”… Eish, I know what you mean by that for Dangerman, but fark I swear thats exactly what Gio says to Joe before Blondie hops into the changeroom shower cubicle with Duane..
27 Feb 2013, 15:17 pm
@Fern-409: A sheeky fanboy…
27 Feb 2013, 15:18 pm
@Angostura-406:
Because it’s in the public domain. It’s out there for us to consider.
We can say: no that’s incorrect OR I agree
At a strategic level, SA needs a major intervention: conflict resolution, diversity and ethics must be at the top of the agenda.
27 Feb 2013, 15:18 pm
@Sasuke-391: yes, it means a plascon wall & all. The fear of losing seems to be AC’s problem?
27 Feb 2013, 15:18 pm
JDJ can’t defend?
What a load of hogwash.
He is a defensive pillar in the Stormers’ system, at 12 or 13.
In any case, defense is more than just tackling. It is also about shutting down space for the offense, regardless of a rush or a drift defense.
And there are very few midfielders with JDJ’s pace off the mark.
Seriously, this JDJ nonsense is getting really boring.
27 Feb 2013, 15:19 pm
@Heavens Game-411:
Faark and that squatter camp next to the airport.
So much for their local leaders.
CT is far over rated,water is cold,wind blowing.
Their womanfolk are in serious need of straight men though…
27 Feb 2013, 15:20 pm
@Fern-416:
Gansbaai is good though,Willie is a Gansbaaier.
27 Feb 2013, 15:21 pm
Pistorius murder trial could reach end with a plea bargain
Paralympian Oscar Pistorius is accused of …show more murdering his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp on Valentine’s Day. Picture: SAPA …show less
IMAGE 1 of 1OSCAR Pistorius could end his murder trial the same way mercenary recruiter Mark Thatcher and the killers of Brett Kebble ended theirs – with a plea bargain.
27 February 2013 | PAUL KIRK
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Not rated yet.
Yesterday, sources close to the Pistorius family told The Citizen that informal discussions had taken place with regard to a possible plea bargain deal with the National Prosecuting Authority (NPA).
In return for Pistorius confessing to culpable homicide, the hope is that the NPA might not insist on jail time for the hero of the 2012 London Olympics.
NPA spokesman Medupi Simasuki told The Citizen: “We are open to formal approaches with regard to a plea bargain deal. At this point in time, however, we would not consider any deal that does not involve the charges as they currently stand.”
Pistorius was charged with premeditated murder after he shot his girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp, in his home on Valentine’s Day. He claims that he mistook her for a burglar.
Yesterday, The New Yorker carried an article by American author, lawyer and legal analyst for CNN, Jeffrey Toobin, speculating that Pistorius would probably end his legal problems by entering into a plea- bargain deal.
Toobin speculated that the NPA might accept a plea bargain because the prosecution could have a hard time proving motive.
“Pistorius and Steenkamp were a relatively new couple,” he said. “There were no reports of public tension, much less murderous violence, between them…”
Toobin said the decision to grant bail would increase the chances of a plea bargain. “Since he is not in prison, he will be in no hurry to go to trial; his lawyers can spend time chipping away at the government’s case, hiring experts, demanding more information and generally working to render the events of that night a little more muddy.”
Pistorius has already hired private pathologist Dr Reggie Perumal, and The Citizen understands that his legal team might also appoint private forensics and ballistics experts.
Legal expert Professor Shadrack Gutto of the University of South Africa said plea bargains were generally used when neither side was willing to risk the uncertainty of a criminal trial.
Premeditated murder carries a minimum life sentence. Culpable homicide and murder with extenuating circumstances do not carry minimum sentences.
“It is certainly within the power of the State to change the charge of premeditated murder to a lesser charge if they do come to some sort of agreement in a plea bargain,” Gutto said.
“I do not believe that this is the sort of case that should end up in anything less than a murder or a culpable homicide conviction.
“It would send the wrong message: that the wealthy and powerful and famous can escape justice.
I think that anything less than culpable homicide would result in widespread public outrage,” he said.
Kenny Oldwage, Pistorius’s lawyer, did not respond to questions left on his phone, which was switched off.
He also had not responded to a text message at the time of going to print.
27 Feb 2013, 15:22 pm
@willievz-415:
9. Nic Groom
10. Elton Jantjies
11. Bryan Habana
12. Peter Grant
13. Juan de Jongh
14. Gio Aplon
15. Joe Pietersen
27 Feb 2013, 15:24 pm
Shark Wankathon
27 Feb 2013, 15:24 pm
@grant10-418:
Interesting.
27 Feb 2013, 15:25 pm
@grant10-418:
When last have you strolled on the beach flaunting your mangina?
What does the DA do for all the squatters next to the airport in terms of housing?
27 Feb 2013, 15:25 pm
@Heavens Game-192: Why aare you guys
picking on one of ours.One of the FEW
27 Feb 2013, 15:25 pm
@Tacitus-421:
BS
He fired no warning shot,I think he is in trouble.
27 Feb 2013, 15:26 pm
@Heavens Game-393: me, a Stormers supporter? bwahahaha
nice of you to defend your new legHUMPER tl tl.tl
27 Feb 2013, 15:26 pm
@grant10-418:
No way the NPA will go for a culpable homicide plea.
Pistorius’s version of events in a sworn affidavit already admits all the elements of culpable homicide.
27 Feb 2013, 15:26 pm
@Tacitus-229:
I agree 100%.
But as the Sharks showed last year, they can finish 6th on the log and still have a shot at the title.
27 Feb 2013, 15:27 pm
@Heavens Game-400:
Hence the need to have four of them… You can watch rugby, while they keep each other comapany.
27 Feb 2013, 15:27 pm
@WP-Forever-419: Interesting.
A 10/12 split that gives you a left and right boot.
Also a 12 that won’t necessary collide with defense, but rather spread it wider on early phases. The point of breakdown will be further down the touchline, so you need quicker loosies (Elstadt at 7 is not going to work with that midfield combo) and possibly persist with the mobile hooker (whose lineout throwing is not up to standard).
Worth a try (no pun intended).
27 Feb 2013, 15:28 pm
@WP-Forever-426:
This may well be his spin doctor hard at work.
27 Feb 2013, 15:29 pm
@willievz-415: With you there 100%. I reckon we were lone voices in the wilderness about JdJ… Still are it seems… And neither of us are Stormers supporters…
27 Feb 2013, 15:29 pm
I would love to stay put the pool,a couple of cold beers and the braai awaits.
Have a lekker evening everyone.
27 Feb 2013, 15:30 pm
@Fern-416: Such an overrated Town for such an Awesome team…
27 Feb 2013, 15:31 pm
@grant10-418:
That’s his defense trying to muddy the water.
The prosecution doesn’t even have all the evidence.
He’s going down to Funkytown.
27 Feb 2013, 15:31 pm
@ryecatcher-423: WTF Kehla…You having a bit of a wobble?
27 Feb 2013, 15:32 pm
@Transformation-425: You know its true unfanawami… You a brokeback with the best of them… A soap chaser extraordinaire
27 Feb 2013, 15:33 pm
@mxhosa-428: Sheezus!!
27 Feb 2013, 15:33 pm
@willievz-429: hey Willie. Grant @ 12 won’t work. He doesn’t have quick enough hands.
27 Feb 2013, 15:34 pm
@Fern-432: Cheers Chunter…
27 Feb 2013, 15:34 pm
@Heavens Game-436:
Stop posting like that,they are going to get aroused.
27 Feb 2013, 15:36 pm
@willievz-429:
Boots all over the place!
I really like the idea of Grant at 12 and de Jongh at 13.
27 Feb 2013, 15:36 pm
@Fern-440: Shy.te… You make me feel dirty now.
27 Feb 2013, 15:37 pm
@Fern-422: You mean in Delft? Currently busy with a map of the Delft area highlighting finished projects, current projects and proposed projects.
27 Feb 2013, 15:37 pm
@pompies2-438: Hi Pompies.
Not sure about that.
Having said that, I won’t pick him at 12. I’d pick JDJ at 12.
27 Feb 2013, 15:38 pm
@Heavens Game-436: he be a bone smuggler?
27 Feb 2013, 15:39 pm
@grant10-418:
That would be a travesty of justice.
To think that someone’s life is reduced to pack of say 10 page document with a few signatures would be unacceptable to me.
She was sent into eternity and her family has the pain and grief for the rest of their lives. I already see her ‘Jhb dad’ says that he could have saved her.
He bought the gun(s), pulled the trigger so he needs to stand trial.
Life is not just about his reputation, income and training schedules.
27 Feb 2013, 15:40 pm
@Sasuke-443: Housing projects. I see there is also a TRA set up.
27 Feb 2013, 15:40 pm
@WP-Forever-441:
Good for kicking corners.
But need taller 13 and back 3 for skop en jag.
27 Feb 2013, 15:41 pm
@willievz-444: His depth @ 10 is too much and this has a negative on the attacking strategy of the Stormers. Putting him @ 12 would compound this effect. Having JdJ @ 12 would be interesting if you had a 10 playing close to advantage line. Might present an issue when on defense, especially with Jantjies there.
Hows Sussex treating you btw?
27 Feb 2013, 15:41 pm
@Dilligafrican-445: Yeah… Thats Transie my umfanawami…
27 Feb 2013, 15:42 pm
@pompies2-449: Sure, but – and dare I say – he might have a calming influence on Jantjies
All good here bud, can’t wait for our Spring.
27 Feb 2013, 15:44 pm
@Sheriff-446: See she supported her parents too….could there just be a repeat of the Bees Roux saga????
27 Feb 2013, 15:45 pm
Dunno Sasuke
So what us being done and plannrd?
27 Feb 2013, 15:47 pm
@Heavens Game-435: Standing r esolute
and firm.Go Sharks
27 Feb 2013, 15:51 pm
@ryecatcher-454:
BLUE YOU’RE MY BOY!
27 Feb 2013, 15:51 pm
@Fern-453: Different type of housing projects and to relocate the residents that were put in a temporary relocation area (TRA) by the DA 10 years ago. People still waiting for proper housing.
27 Feb 2013, 15:51 pm
@Sheriff-446: Fully agree .
27 Feb 2013, 15:52 pm
@Dilligafrican-452:
Just saw that as well.
On the one hand you have a family struggling financially. On the other, a rich young man who can do something about it, if he has his freedom.
Reeva’s mom said a beautiful thing: ‘We never had a lot of money, but a lot of love’
I can already see the formulation of the script to the parents by the reputation management company:
* How sorry he is
* How he will look after them for the rest of their lives like he would for his own parents
* Initial payment of say R5m to help cover their expenses with funeral and so on
Provided that they…
27 Feb 2013, 15:53 pm
what the hell is an “umfanawami”?
this funnygalore you & Fatfcuk speak is hilarious
27 Feb 2013, 15:54 pm
@Sheriff-458:
There will be a civil suit if he goes down in court.
They will get their 5 bar and then some.
27 Feb 2013, 15:56 pm
@gunther-455: this is Blue, he is TOTALLY legit.
27 Feb 2013, 15:58 pm
@ryecatcher-454: Go Madala… Go Kehla
27 Feb 2013, 15:59 pm
@Sasuke-456:
Very vague answer
In which areas are these projects and who are doing them?
What kind of housing is being built for the people?
We may well be in related fields
The most important question is if there are going to be any longdrops for snoekskiet to build?
27 Feb 2013, 15:59 pm
@Transformation-459: I’m speaking Pondo, so you can understand me
27 Feb 2013, 16:00 pm
@Heavens Game-464:
Transie is from Mamparalanga
27 Feb 2013, 16:00 pm
@Sheriff-458: The nail… You hit it right on the head.
27 Feb 2013, 16:01 pm
@Fern-465: Yoh!
Maybe I need to switch to Tsotsietaal…
27 Feb 2013, 16:09 pm
@grant10-418:
Well, a culpable homicide plea bargain would result in widespread public outrage, imo. The State should vigorously prosecute a charge of murder – nothing less (assuming of course that forensics, ballistics & cell phone evidence justify that charge).
27 Feb 2013, 16:10 pm
@Heavens Game-464: Pondo you say, never heard any proud Mpondo people talking about “umfanawami’
voessek!
27 Feb 2013, 16:10 pm
@willievz-451: Perhaps. It’s worth a try……….against the Force or Kings.
Waiting for Spring? Should be another 3 months. Summer on the other hand, might go on strike.
27 Feb 2013, 16:12 pm
One does not need to have a lot of imagination to understand how ‘reputation management companies’ go about their business.
Their expertise probably lie in the areas of: legal x pr x financial
To these people all that matters is money. So they would have zoomed in by now into the financial affairs of the Steenkamps.
Items like:
* Outstanding homeloan
* Retail accounts
* Medical bills (maybe for parents)
* Funeral expenses
No doubt someone would have calculated the cost of all that; say the total of all that amounts to R774,580; the reputation company may want to add a multiple to that figure to make it all go away.
And if the family is tempted you would understand, but it’s not right. One’s heart has to go out to the family during this time. Their only fault was they had a beautiful daughter.
27 Feb 2013, 16:13 pm
@Sasuke-385: Can we have our bonus point then please?
27 Feb 2013, 16:18 pm
i see you C.unt du Fernly… not ignoring
27 Feb 2013, 16:19 pm
@Sheriff-471: Not in a criminal case. That’s not up to the family.
27 Feb 2013, 16:20 pm
@Transformation-473: What’s going on here Trans? Some inter-Sharks male fallatio?
27 Feb 2013, 16:20 pm
@stormersboy-472:
Can we have our points back for the win that was denied us last year at Newlands when the scrum penalty in the last minute went the wrong way, giving the Stormers a narrow win at the death?
27 Feb 2013, 16:21 pm
@Tacitus-476: Sure. No problem. Turns out we didn’t need then at the end.
Smiley.
27 Feb 2013, 16:23 pm
@stormersboy-474:
Thanks mate! That’s a relief!
So you’re saying that in civil case what I outlined could come into play, but not a criminal case.
Are you able to help me understand how the ‘plea bargain’ option comes into play here?
27 Feb 2013, 16:23 pm
@stormersboy-477:
I suspect you’re going to need every point you can get this year.
27 Feb 2013, 16:24 pm
@Tacitus-476:
The scoreboard didn’t do justice to how the Stormers dominated that game.
I remembered vividly the Stormers superiority at the collisions.
It was men against boys and the Bulls only started competing towards the end of that game.
27 Feb 2013, 16:25 pm
@Jeraldjay-480:
Ja whatever.
27 Feb 2013, 16:27 pm
@Tacitus-479: I think you are right
27 Feb 2013, 16:27 pm
@Tacitus-481:
Do you suffer from bruxism to the best of your knowledge?
27 Feb 2013, 16:28 pm
After a week of despair I am feeling a bit more relaxed about Saturday game….
My expectations have dropped and as we are firm underdogs its nice to know the pressure is on the Sharks….cant drop home games in this competetion.
27 Feb 2013, 16:30 pm
@Tacitus-481:
The Loftus win is up their with one of my alltime Stormers victories.
Kolisi’s break then the pass to set Habana free brought tears to my eyes.
27 Feb 2013, 16:30 pm
@Sheriff-483:
I’m going to have to go and google that.
27 Feb 2013, 16:31 pm
@Sheriff-478: It’s unlikely. In a civil case most definitely. The same thing happened with OJ. He got acquitted in a criminal court (beyond any reasonable doubt) but got taken to the cleaners in a civil wrongful death suit (balance of probabilities).
The concept of restitution is in theory a possible part of sentencing but I’d be surprised if it can influence the State to make it go away. That would be buying your freedom and would not sit well.
27 Feb 2013, 16:33 pm
@Jeraldjay-485:
I’m glad for you. My favourite remains the 75-14 win of a few seasons back.
27 Feb 2013, 16:33 pm
@Tacitus-488:
27 Feb 2013, 16:34 pm
@Tacitus-486:
Yeah, I think Google administrators would have noticed a huge spike in searches for ‘bruxism’
Particularly from SA
That is why I maintain keo is a learning platform; we may not agree with everyone but learning will take place – for all of us
27 Feb 2013, 16:35 pm
@stormersboy-487:
Nice one mate, thanks!
27 Feb 2013, 16:37 pm
Ok gents and Dawn, take care!
27 Feb 2013, 16:37 pm
tac – you mentioned on page 1 you wuold love to see F Steyn/Fourie centres, we did at RWC2007!!!!
27 Feb 2013, 16:40 pm
Lambie is starting to mature in the flyhalf role and Hougaard at 9.
Goosen has always been my favourite but Pat’s starting to impress. Lets hope he can hold onto that form.
27 Feb 2013, 16:41 pm
@Tacitus-479: the glee that emanates from your predictions about the Stormers woes is directly proportional to the cowardice you show when the bulls lose.
even if the Kings get beaten by 100 pts i’ll still be here unlike you
27 Feb 2013, 16:43 pm
@Transformation-495:
Thanks for that. I’ll take it under consideration.
27 Feb 2013, 16:46 pm
@Tacitus-496: forgot…
#jussayin
27 Feb 2013, 16:51 pm
@Transformation-495:
Were you at the queens game? I saw only 2 Xhosas in the crowd and less on the field of play.They looked more like they should be supporting the stormers. Real Le Cage Aux Folles types. Kinda how I picture Gwantie’s boy toy to look like.
Must say, it was a blessing when fat little lulu got injured. Elsewise the Force would have won. His replacement was miles better.
27 Feb 2013, 17:04 pm
@Xkreni-WP-498: You need to speak to your optometrist.
27 Feb 2013, 17:05 pm
@Xkreni-WP-498: msunuwakho
27 Feb 2013, 17:10 pm
“Nice” little piece on Mnr Pistorius.
_http://t.co/EST8zUlAoW
27 Feb 2013, 17:10 pm
@playtheball-499:
Xkreni covered glasses – they just need a good wash, & siedaar!
out, now for the homerun
27 Feb 2013, 17:11 pm
defence is an attitude!
“@FrontRowGrunt: Not one Kings player
missed more than 2 tackles on Saturday
27 Feb 2013, 17:21 pm
@Heavens Game-204: Permission
to greet the enemy SIR.
Hello Ped lady,Stormersboy.,Nama Nortje.Have a good Wednesday to Friday
27 Feb 2013, 17:25 pm
What happens if you choose a player in the wrong position in the fantasy league? Do you still get his points?
For example, I have James O’Connor at centre (that’s where he is listed) in my team but he is going to play at FB for the Rebels on Saturday.
27 Feb 2013, 17:26 pm
Nortje+nortier
27 Feb 2013, 17:28 pm
@Transformation-500:
Ja, jou ma ook….
27 Feb 2013, 17:28 pm
@ryecatcher-504:
Hi oom Rye. How are you?
I did refrain in the end. Hope you saw that.
27 Feb 2013, 17:37 pm
@ryecatcher-504:
Hi Rye, hope all is well?
You must be very much looking forward to Saturday.
I am glad I am going away this weekend, gives me an excuse to step away from the TV set if ( when ) things start going pear shaped.
Friday evening I was sitting smack bang between the Bull supporters at Loftus, so I couldn’t really slink away
27 Feb 2013, 17:37 pm
@hendrikp-210:
By the time some of the current guys step aside, there will be players on the scene you’ve barely (or never) heard of.
It is far too difficult to pick wingers as well given that you never know if they’ll try another guy on the wing. I do think we’re struggling for quality wingers at the moment though.
I do think Timo Swiel will be our fullback eventually.
27 Feb 2013, 17:37 pm
@Jeraldjay-494: Don’t know about Hougaard, he was very poor against the Stormers.
27 Feb 2013, 17:40 pm
@hendrikp-510: Still not sold on Andries Coetzee?
27 Feb 2013, 17:44 pm
@hendrikp-510:
If, after this season, the coach sees that Fransie is not the inside centre he believed him to be, he will move Fransie to FB.
When do you expect Swiel to come to the fore?
27 Feb 2013, 17:45 pm
@willievz-512:
Where is Coetzee btw?
27 Feb 2013, 17:47 pm
@Transformation-503:
Transie, hope you are doing well?
I found this article quite interesting.
I find it strange that the Lions manage to secure or keep their sponsors, yet the Kings are struggling to get one.
Someone somewhere must be doing something wrong don’t you think?
Sponsorship specialists Megapro this week renewed its commercial agreement with the Golden Lions Rugby Union for further five years. The association is an extension of a long-standing relationship between the organisations dating back to 1988.
With the Lions determined to reclaim their rightful place in Super Rugby, the renewal of the agreement serves as an important step in the union remaining a strong force in South African rugby. Despite a series of challenges facing the union in the last few months, there have also been exciting developments with Altmann Allers becoming an equity partner and the Lions Challenge proving to be a success.
The Johannesburg-based team has won three of their Lions Challenge matches up to now against Russia, the Cheetahs and the Southern Kings, but they stumbled against the Bulls at Orlando Stadium in the Gauteng Rugby Cup.
They will face French club Mont de Marsan on March 16 and then head to California and Vancouver for a two-week tour before returning to SA for the second half of their campaign.
Commenting on the renewal of the contract, Megapro Chief Operating Officer Simon Franklin said: “The Lions and their home ground, Ellis Park, have a rich heritage in South African rugby and we are determined to see that history continue. In light of that and the fantastic relationship we have shared with the Golden Lions Rugby Union over many years, it is a pleasure to continue our association with them.”
Lions CEO Manie Booysen was equally delighted about the agreement and said: “As most companies, our image is very important, so it is vital to work with people who know and understand the environment we operate in and also who we can trust, and we share that relationship with Megapro.”
27 Feb 2013, 17:49 pm
@nama1-514: playing Test rugby with the Lions.
27 Feb 2013, 17:54 pm
@Transformation-516:
27 Feb 2013, 17:55 pm
@willievz-512:
Not sold on him at all. He’s no better then say Louis Ludik… I can see little things in his game that are impressive – very gutsy taking high balls and so forth – but his overall game doesn’t nearly cut it.
@nama1-513:
Swiel will come to the fore hopefully towards the end of this year, or early next year. He will play a big role in the current SA U20 team, and should use that as a springboard.
You’re so wrong about Frans it’s not even funny. He’s got nothing to prove.
27 Feb 2013, 17:58 pm
@nama1-514: With the Lions.
Best 15 in SA is not playing Super rugby.
27 Feb 2013, 18:00 pm
@Transformation-503: No.
Tackling is an attitude.
Defense is an understanding.
27 Feb 2013, 18:01 pm
@hendrikp-518:
What was your overall impression of him at centre last year without mentioning the charge down try against the Argies?
27 Feb 2013, 18:03 pm
@willievz-519:
He is not too shabby. I’ll grant you that.
Maybe it will be to his benefit in the long run, not playing S15. He is still very young. Only 20 now, isn’t he?
27 Feb 2013, 18:04 pm
@nama1-522: Turning 23 in March.
27 Feb 2013, 18:08 pm
@willievz-523:
Oh, OK.
He still has tim on his side then.
27 Feb 2013, 18:13 pm
#498
What a kuk xkreni post.
27 Feb 2013, 18:13 pm
@nama1-521:
I thought he was average in a very poor team. Doesn’t take away from what he has delivered in the past and will continue doing. Let’s be honest – part of you just doesn’t like him, yes?
Andries Coetzee turns 23 tomorrow… not that it should matter. We’re way too obsessed with backing the youngest in hope that they ‘develop’, which is silly.
27 Feb 2013, 18:17 pm
Frans = SBW
27 Feb 2013, 18:21 pm
@gunther-455: iNDEED.yOUR WR INKLY BOY.rega rds
27 Feb 2013, 18:22 pm
@BudYza 296
For a start one should never be relying on Wiki. Check the Sharks website and the SA Rugby site where Jordaan is listed as 91kg. The lad has muscled up considerably and I recall him being listed as 94kg somewhere.
If Jordaan does not make the grade my guess is that it will be because of his lack of physical grunt. Hence me saying that it will be a defining year for him.
de Jongh has already failed the physicality stakes. The lad is a good player but at 88kg is not big enough for a test 13. One only needs to look at the size of the current test 13′s out there to realise that a modern test 13 needs both size and skill. By current I mean in the last two years or so.
The lack of space in the test arena dictates that contact plays a big part of the game. Players have to be able to impose themselves physically.
27 Feb 2013, 18:24 pm
@hendrikp-526:
It has nothing to do with me liking him on a personal level or not.
I just don’t believe that he is as good as you and some other try to proclaim.
That’s all there is to it.
27 Feb 2013, 18:26 pm
@Saffex-529: ****. JdJ has proven himself against the best at Super and Test level.
27 Feb 2013, 18:30 pm
@Saffex-529:
Any test 13 needs skill, speed and size. It depends what you believe is the most important of the three.
For some, like Heyneke, Tac and you it is obviously in order of most importance: (1) SIZE,
(2) speed and (3) skill.
Some other may have a preference for (1)skill, (2) speed and (3) size.
Have size as your most important criteria means you can lose out on great players just because they miss your predetermined weight criteria by something like 5kg’s.
It does not make sense to me.
27 Feb 2013, 18:35 pm
@Saffex-529:
Smith and BOD?
27 Feb 2013, 18:38 pm
@mikeybrass-531:
Didn’t you know? The players from NZ and Aus grow another 30cm and become 20 kg’s heavier the moment they put on their national jerseys. The fact that a “lightweight” like JdJ can compete with them, and sometimes outplay them, at S15 level does not therefor neccesarily mean he’ll be able to do it at test level.
We’ve been hearing for years now how Nonu/SBW/Savea and others will run smaller players like JdJ/Aplon and others des moers if they are selected for the Bokke but nobody could up to now explain why they could never do it at Super rugby level.
27 Feb 2013, 18:39 pm
@nama1-532:
Have = Having
27 Feb 2013, 18:46 pm
@nortierd-515:
I think it’s because there’s a good chance the Lions will be back next year and there’s no guarantee that we’ll get 6 teams in 2015.
The Kings need to have their place guaranteed before they can attract and retain the players to ensure their competitiveness. It would take a brave sponsor to commit at this point.
27 Feb 2013, 18:51 pm
gOOD NIGHT ALL.a GLASS OF WINE THEN ABED
27 Feb 2013, 18:52 pm
@ryecatcher-537: A TOAST TO THE SHARKS
27 Feb 2013, 18:52 pm
The New Age could be a good sponsor for the kings.
They seem to have cash to burn.
27 Feb 2013, 18:53 pm
@Nama 505- it doesn’t adversely affect you and in some cases you end up better off.like in 2010 hougaard was listed as a scrumhalf but always scored tries on wing, so those of us smart enough always selected him as starting scrummie in fantasy as you’d get maximum points.
#tradesecrets
27 Feb 2013, 18:56 pm
@Xkreni-WP-507: Shouldn’t you be wasting your time writing shyttyarticles for that shyttyfuckingwebsite of yours? Or copying and pasting cheap jokes about genitalsandbrandy?
Voelmyfokkenhoringindeed.
It would just be time better spent I would think?
27 Feb 2013, 18:59 pm
@ryecatcher-537: Evening Rye
Enjoy the wine 
27 Feb 2013, 18:59 pm
@David-536:
Could be David
Could it also be that the Lions are not just standing around with hat in hand, but are actually employing some business acumen?
I just found it ironic that a team that will also be in a position where they could also not guarantee players more than a possible one year in SR, if they do win the relegation that is, can still do enough to secure a sponsor, where a side that is actively playing in SR can’t.
27 Feb 2013, 19:02 pm
@ryecatcher-537:
Night Rye. Sleep well.
@papaown-540:
Thanks.
As a kicker, I think O’Conner is a must in the team.
27 Feb 2013, 19:03 pm
I see education is the biggest recipient of the government’s largesse in the budget.
The nation needs to start seeing a return on investment here.
27 Feb 2013, 19:04 pm
@nama1-544:
And Piri Weepu the scrummie?
Bonus points for licking as well
27 Feb 2013, 19:23 pm
@nortierd-543:
According to the article, Megapro isn’t exactly a new sponsor and not a major one.
27 Feb 2013, 19:31 pm
@David-547:
Yes, very old sponsor.
At least the Lions are still fighting the fight, good to see as well.
Chance that they might not get back in SR soon either, lot can happen in the relegation matches.
27 Feb 2013, 19:39 pm
@gunther-539: nee fok, all the money us gone to the DA & Gupta Tv…
27 Feb 2013, 19:44 pm
@nama1-534:
Funny enough, for all his lack of physicallity, I’ve never seen SBW, Manu Tuilagi and Jamie Roberts run over JdJ. But I’ve seen them run over the 1.90m, 100kg frame of JdV.
27 Feb 2013, 19:49 pm
@mxhosa-550: tuilagi wabeka ujdv ngempundu phantsi twice…
27 Feb 2013, 20:01 pm
@Transformation-551:
Do remember in 2009 when Roberts kept running through our midfield, it was Adi Jacobs’ fault. But when he did it again at the 2011 nobody was to blame, he was hailed as one of the most destructive runners, instead.
27 Feb 2013, 20:10 pm
@mxhosa-552: um, @ the world cup he ran through MSteyn he was a turnstile.
27 Feb 2013, 20:27 pm
Jean de Villiers’s best years are behind him. I’ll agree to that.
And then the Bok captaincy will be up for grabs. With the front runners being Schalk, Bissie and Adriaan Strauss.
So we could have two hookers fighting over the no.1 hooker berth and the captaincy.
So where have I seen this movie before?
27 Feb 2013, 22:29 pm
@China Bell-21: “Are we selecting a midfield for their line-kicking ability? I get tears in my eyes ”
you killing me guy
i thought the same thing. when will we shift our mindset into having attack and intelligent minded players in the backline and not focus soo much on their kicking ability? FFS
How effective was Ma’a Nonu or SBW as a kicking 12?
27 Feb 2013, 23:09 pm
Dawn
Frans is nowhere near SBWs class
he is an ordinary cart horse donkey who has no real distribution skills
like his bro he has a big boot, that is it
please don’t compare Saffa players to kiwi players, ours have intelligence and skill
thanks.
27 Feb 2013, 23:14 pm
@the curse-556: THen why not Fcukoff outa here you pompous arrogant prick, go back and chat with your own kind, and BTW you aint a curse, ur a ****,
27 Feb 2013, 23:55 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-557: Tyrone,Tyrone !!Just like you when you stripped your moer when Nikita called you a polluter ??
27 Feb 2013, 23:57 pm
Frans did not contribute at the WC due to his overweight problem.Msteyn and the scrummie(can’t remember his name ) cost us big time against the Aussies. Steyn defended like a fairy against the Aussies .
28 Feb 2013, 00:02 am
@the curse-556: His own fans verbally abused him when he started experimenting with drop goals from his own 22.He subsequently left for France after all that abuse.Note the guppy trait?-when things get to tough they take comfort in the delights of France.Well,apart from that ,these guppies are now trying to create the impression that they always loved Fransie. Bunch of hypocrites if you ask me.
28 Feb 2013, 00:03 am
@papaown-555:
Exactly.
You have a #9 and #10 that can kick when need be. If you have to rely on a # 12 as well then you have limited your attack.
28 Feb 2013, 00:15 am
@S_K-560: S-K is Super-Kak?
28 Feb 2013, 00:49 am
@Markel77-562: heita you farking Basque terrorist! Long time no hear! All good.
28 Feb 2013, 01:21 am
@S_K-563: All good gracias. How are you? still looking for food in the waste containers? JUAS JUAS
28 Feb 2013, 01:50 am
sharks are gonna get you
hahahaha. truth Hirt huh?
nice rant though bro, careful you don’t choke on the words like you mr team chokes in finals
it fatal
lmfao
28 Feb 2013, 01:52 am
farken predictive text
28 Feb 2013, 02:42 am
@ nama, brass and david
de Jongh has proved nothing at S15 level, he did nothing of note in the whole of the S15 last year and this in the side that topped the log. At test level he has done even less. He went awol against England on the EOYT.
nama – no size is not the most important aspect but the reality of modern day test rugby is that a centre needs to be big. The ideal test centre has to be big and skillful
Smith weighs 94kg, BOD weighs 95kg – hardly small
28 Feb 2013, 04:43 am
@Saffex-567: You talking the biggest load of kak man…..JDJ and Aplon have consistently shown defensice prowess against all comers…..how the fark can they be defensively vulnerable when they played starring roles in a stormers team that conceded the least trys for 2 superrugby seasons in a row? Stop your inane attemps at character assasination….you truly are looking dof man…
28 Feb 2013, 07:09 am
Pops flatlining memtally again…
28 Feb 2013, 07:10 am
ag nee man
‘mentally’
28 Feb 2013, 07:42 am
My forecasts for this weekend (I’ll probably get half wrong again):
Crusaders to edge the Blues by 2
Waratahs to comfortably beat Rebels by 14
Reds to beat Hurricanes by 5
Bulls to KLAP the Force by at least 20
Sharks to beat the Stormers by 5
28 Feb 2013, 08:10 am
@WP-Forever-571: and the Chiefs vs Cheetahs to difficult to call?
28 Feb 2013, 08:11 am
@Angostura-572: to = too
28 Feb 2013, 08:14 am
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-557: spoken like a true “Unpronouncable Symbol Previously Driven Outta Here By A GIRLIE”
28 Feb 2013, 08:16 am
@Angostura-574: No one drove me out anywhere you fake Sharks supporter.
28 Feb 2013, 08:18 am
@Angostura-574: eish
unpronounceable
28 Feb 2013, 08:18 am
@WP-Forever-571: Not so sure about the Sharks match and the Saders match? Saders were very poor in their warm up matches and have not played a SR match yet so they will struggle i think, also the Blues are a much improved team.
28 Feb 2013, 08:22 am
@Angostura-572:
An easy call, Chiefs to win by plenty.
28 Feb 2013, 08:28 am
@NZINCHINA-578: I think so too, Chiefs by about 30
28 Feb 2013, 08:33 am
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-575: hahaa
you, dynamite black & white lingerie valkyrie, you
28 Feb 2013, 08:35 am
@NZINCHINA-578: sure looks like it
28 Feb 2013, 08:38 am
HG says
Frans = SBW
(or >)
28 Feb 2013, 08:46 am
scot
france
eng
bulls
sharks
28 Feb 2013, 08:49 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-583:
is this some sort of code?
28 Feb 2013, 08:51 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-583:
???
28 Feb 2013, 08:53 am
@Dawn-582:
Sharkie & Angostura= Jack Lemmon Walter Matthau
28 Feb 2013, 09:01 am
@gunther-584:
games of significance this weekend and next
28 Feb 2013, 09:05 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-587:
Are you still on your self imposed boycott of the exiting rugby?
28 Feb 2013, 09:06 am
@nortierd-588:
Exiting = exciting ( read Chiefs, Blues and Crusaders )
28 Feb 2013, 09:08 am
@Angostura-572:
Chiefs by 25.
28 Feb 2013, 09:08 am
@nortierd-589:
ja, not a fan of WWRE
28 Feb 2013, 09:08 am
@nortierd-589: Well he did say Sharks, so that is exciting rugby
28 Feb 2013, 09:09 am
Bakkies. lmfao
me flatlining mentally? hahaha I’m not the one who repeats myself incessantly day after day about a conspiracy that means I don’t watch a sport I love.
you on te other hand
28 Feb 2013, 09:13 am
@nortierd-588:
It’s his penance.
That and a Bluebulls hairshirt.
28 Feb 2013, 09:13 am
@Angostura-574:
That is solid gold.
28 Feb 2013, 09:13 am
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-592:
True, but I don’t think Saturday will be too exciting in the rugby stakes.
High drama, lots of swearing and things being thrown at TV sets.
28 Feb 2013, 09:15 am
@nortierd-596:
28 Feb 2013, 09:17 am
@gunther-594:
Jeez Gunther, then I must wonder what the Stormers supporters did to deserve what our team puts us through every year.
The Bulls, even when given penance, have 3 trophies to show for their sins.
Means that the Stormers and Sharks must have really been bad if no amount of Hail Mary’s seem to help.
28 Feb 2013, 09:19 am
Pops. gtfoh
cheap shot trolling comments about saffas (check)
warped perception mistaking cheating and thuggery for skill & intelligence (check)
routinely breaking out the offensive, racist & crass insults (wait for it, wait for it)
i stand by my earlier statement. going on historical data you dod seem close to a mental flatline.
28 Feb 2013, 09:21 am
@gunther-594:
28 Feb 2013, 09:25 am
@WP-Forever-571: Don’t think Crusaders will beat Blues if last week’s form is anything to go on. Reds lucky last week, will lose by more than 10. Cheetah’s have great attacking backline, won’t win but should be good game. Sharks will kill Stormers. Better in almost every position and had win last week for confidence. Stormers set pieces a joke, can’t see them getting it right in a hurry with current squad. Ps I am not a Shark’s supporter but think they have great team this year.
28 Feb 2013, 09:33 am
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-557: Telling someone else to ‘fuckoff’ is rich Tyrone.
Coming from you, the interwebs most biblical figure.
Fleeing Egypt for the safe promised land of another site
Only to return once you felt enough time had passed after the CC final guppiemanshaming.
Fuckemeyouneedtomanupwaiterboy.
28 Feb 2013, 09:33 am
@Saffex-529:
Your honest and considered advice is that we should not rely on Wiki for ‘facts’ but of Jordaan you allow yourself the liberty to simply “recall him being listed as 94kg somewhere”?
Interesting to note too that while you question Wiki’s stats on Jordaan, you accept and re-quote them on de Jongh.
Heavens Game says you’re a real “kenner” but the veracity of both of your comments should be questioned. Heavens Game says he has always supported and backed de Jongh yet he completely endorses your post #189 where you use ‘somewhere’ facts to claim de Jongh is not big enough and gets knocked backwards in tackles.
Objective and intelligent people can see you’re twisting your facts in the breeze like so much dirty laundry. Let’s call a spade a domestic horticultural implement and agree that the only relevant difference between Jordaan and de Jongh in your opinion is that you believe de Jongh’s melanin-rich epidermis is actually lighter than Jordaan’s melanin-challenged complexion.
28 Feb 2013, 09:34 am
Bakkies
even when pointing out my “problems” you’ve repeated your cheating mantra
lol
as for my opinion on Fronkensteyn, it stands. he is an over rated Neanderthal bash merchant who has as much skill as Oscar has alibi’s
.
28 Feb 2013, 09:36 am
calling someone d.utch is not a racist epitaph in Australia
it may be so In your warped country, but then you guys seem to have labels for every type of person don’t you? colored etc
28 Feb 2013, 09:41 am
@the curse-605:
Who peed in your corn flakes Pops?
How confident are you for the Blues this weekend?
Crusaders V Blues always a big one, you think your side has the goods?
28 Feb 2013, 09:42 am
@the curse-605: Our country is not warped. We have many happy people in our rainbow nation and well developed vocabulary to describe each one. In Aus every one is the same apparently and can be classed under term “ex-convict” if the well known social commentater Botham is correct.
28 Feb 2013, 09:44 am
@nortierd-598:
Nowty
This could be your year.
28 Feb 2013, 09:44 am
@the curse-605: The truth Pops, is that we South Africand are far too sensitive in general.
You can’t tell jokes.
You can’t make comments.
You can’t voice an opinion.
You can’t draw any conclusions.
And whatever you do – do NOT mention a person’s heritage. That is a ‘go straight to jail – move directly to jail – do not pass begin – do not collect a hotdog from Tyrones ‘restaurant”.
We are a nation full of sensitive and histrionicfuckwits – It’s almost as though we ‘enjoy’ finding offence, as it gives us something to do.
(I will concede: there is a line that is crossed at times, resulting in ‘hate speech’ in it’s truest form – but for the most of it………aspatheticasTyrones biceps.
28 Feb 2013, 09:46 am
hey Nortie.
think the fact the saders had the bye first up will work in the blues favour. . not sure it will be enough though, think the saders will want to keep it forward orientated which is where I think they hold the edge. will be tipping the saders, Canes were their own worst enemies and made my blues look better imo.
28 Feb 2013, 09:47 am
@gunther-608:
It’s going to be tough, but it’s still early days.
A lot will depend on how they do after the bye, difficult first 3 weeks.
28 Feb 2013, 09:48 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-609:
don’t talk to poepsie about sensitive.
he invented the term.
28 Feb 2013, 09:48 am
@gunther-608: Nope. This year is not the Stormers year.
In fact, if the guppies do not manage to win a S15 final this year….they only have themselves and their mental frailty to blame. And I’m as serious as the ThaialleyHGexplores with his Jedi stick.
There should be very little standing in the way of the Sharks this year. The only question is with their mental capacity, which is as dodgy as the fashion sense of their male fans.
No jokes, no lies, no sarcyshyt. The Guppies biggest enemy this season – themselves.
28 Feb 2013, 09:50 am
@the curse-610:
I am with you, as Buck Shelford said on Reunion, JK and the Blues will be in for a roller coaster season.
They are up now, but will also be going down at some stage.
I have the Crusaders by a very small margin, but that doesn’t mean anything.
At least the Blues have one game under the belt, but I also don’t see the Saders playing into their hands like the Canes did.
28 Feb 2013, 09:50 am
@gunther-612: Nah, S_L wears that badge, owns the diploma and wins the awards. I have never seen such meltdowns…..such hysterics…..suck wailing…..followed by a flick of the hair, a foot stamp and an exit
These boots were made for walking……guppiefanboysong.
28 Feb 2013, 09:52 am
franklymyduh
yet calling someone d.utch is racist?
strange, the rest of the world refers to people from Holland as d.utch and no one bats an eyelid or cries racist, yet do it on this blog and you’re labelled as such. not warped indeed, yet the term “colored” is acceptable in SA but would raise quite a few eyebrows if said elsewhere in the world
go figure
Kia Ora pedigree lady.
28 Feb 2013, 09:53 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-615:
Don’t start handing out song titles.
They might start saying our theme song is “it’s raining men”
28 Feb 2013, 09:54 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-613:
You’ve only lost one game.
Don’t be so hard on yourself.
Besides it’s been the Stormer mantra for the last decade.
28 Feb 2013, 09:55 am
@nortierd-614: I’m going Blues. Saders traditionally slow starters…… And Blues carrying good momentum, self belief and structure into this one.
The owe the Saders a slap, and I have no doubt they intend to execute it. What I saw last week (and yes……it guarantees nothing), is a belief and ‘mental hardness’ I ain’t seen in the Blues for a while…
Ali is eye of the tiger, and the youngsters show no fear or ‘respect’ for what stand in front of them.
They will be very keen to snot Toddy’s boys…….and if anyone knows how to do it it’s Henry, who I am sure spent more time than usual with the team this week.
28 Feb 2013, 09:56 am
@the curse-616:
The term “********” is seen as derogatory to Afrikaners.
Similar to ” rock spiders” and ” hairy backs”
Those terms were mostly used in the 80′s, when their was still a lot of animosity between the English and Afrikaners.
Was used in the Army and other forces.
Haven’t heard it for many years now, we have probably gotten over ourselves at last.
28 Feb 2013, 09:56 am
@gunther-612:
Precious, you mean.
28 Feb 2013, 09:56 am
Same kak different day.
Why the ANC will never learn
A day of high drama in the North West’s municipality of Tlokwe saw a vote of No Confidence passed in the province’s first DA mayor, Annette Combrink, and the reinstatement of Maphetle Maphetle as mayor. Maphetle was disposed of three months ago by his own ANC councillors because, they said, he was corrupt and blind to graft. By MANDY DE WAAL
28 Feb 2013, 09:56 am
@nortierd-620:
D u t c h m a n = ***********
28 Feb 2013, 09:57 am
Farken hell…
Poops on a moral high horse…
What next, Pol Pot preaching Peace… or Stormers preaching “running rugby”?
Gotta larf
28 Feb 2013, 09:59 am
@gunther-618: I believe the guppies(Ra help me) are the complete package this season (all my dislike of the guppiefanboys aside).
They have a real shot at this….. (yes, as does everyone else, but one just ‘fancies’ the guppies might not have to work as hard or rely on results at the end).
Stupid selections (Frans captaining)…..weak mental strength amongst the squad and freak injuries stand in the way.
Very keen to see if they can deliver
Or will the dot on the pizza box no longer be red, which means a full refund?
28 Feb 2013, 10:00 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-625:
Just imagine if they had the Christian Cullen of loosies, they’d be unstoppable.
28 Feb 2013, 10:01 am
@gunther-622: See that Mamphela Ramphele told Godzille and the DA to gofuckthemselves about joining their party…
Even as leader nogal… Of course, with Plastic Surgery Mother Leader as “silent partner” in the shadows…
Beyootiful… DA’s credibility and popularity is skin deep or Cape deep it seems… Same thing really…
28 Feb 2013, 10:01 am
@the curse-605: yeah, I’m proud of my DUTCH ancestry … & of my Austrian, Irish, Portuguese, French, etc. ancestry …
I can’t understand this feigned indignation – snot like some of the indignant didn’t have “very select nomenclature” of their own for races, creeds & people other than their own … ne?
Time to put our inner “Martie Martelgaaie” to rest
28 Feb 2013, 10:02 am
@the curse-616: You have to be here to understand, calling some-one a “mother” can be seen as derogatory in some cultures, even on Mother’s Day.
28 Feb 2013, 10:04 am
Nortie
interested to see how jK reacts after a loss.. Japan was expected to lose
much like Hansen after the loss to Eng. will learn more about him in that first test. against France, Shame their top players may still be involved In the top14.
28 Feb 2013, 10:06 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-625: Why change your tune…
The conference title holders and CC champs are Gods Gift to Super Rugby…
Of course the Stormers are SA’s only hope…
Frans Steyn and his Sharks are but mercenaries in comparison… They cannot match the esteemed achievements of the SA’s best team…
Naah, Sharks are farked… They were but lucky last year…
They have no hope this weekend or in this tourny…
You know its true…
28 Feb 2013, 10:06 am
@the curse-630:
Not just their top players, your top players, our top players and the Argentinian top players as well?
No wonder they suck, no place for their young guys to play, they need SH players to fill their stadiums and drum up some interest
28 Feb 2013, 10:08 am
@gunther-622:
I must be honest, the boredom associated with living in a country with political stability would kill me off……..
28 Feb 2013, 10:08 am
@Heavens Game-627:
The DA nixed because Mampy wanted to rename the party and the DA rank and file couldnt handle the idea.
Shame really.
28 Feb 2013, 10:11 am
Read an article on Aus about two weeks ago. Kids aren’t allowed to blow out the candles on their birthday cakes at school any-more because of the risk of spreading germs. Think it sums up excitement factor of living Aus, even Rathbone got depressed
28 Feb 2013, 10:13 am
Nortie
not sure they’re our best players though. they do make a good living, only drawback would be bumping into HG over there on occasions when his team loses. think he has dual citizenship tbh
28 Feb 2013, 10:14 am
@Angostura-628: Great post (as usual). Sheez we enjoy being victims in this country…. Jannie Jammerbalsema.
@Heavens Game-631: Are you drinking drain cleaner again? The guppies are one of the tournament faves…..never mind conference faves. Every man/gal and his/her dog knows this is so.
Just because I find guppiefanboys to be rather weak limbed and prone to hysteria, does not mean I am blind to the guppies chances this season.
Use it, don’t use it.
The guppies, apart from the usual mental implosions and boom-doom and gloom, have a real shout.
I suggest you fellas start wearing the faves coat with pride, instead of downplaying it because of recent ‘lack ofguppieballs’ when forced to wear this coat in the past.
28 Feb 2013, 10:16 am
Angostura – good to see, got to be proud of your heritage. I’m multi cultural too
Franklymydeah. @635. it is a pathetic ruling, kids need to be exposed to germs so as to build their immunity it is political correctness gone mental and is truly ridiculous.
28 Feb 2013, 10:16 am
@the curse-636:
I doubt that there are two countries that will want HG,he is lucky that one will have him so no, I don’t think he can have dual citizenship
28 Feb 2013, 10:22 am
No one seems to be thinking Bulls have chance at S15 glory this year. Have young team balanced with some good experience and if I look at choice of recruits are opting for more adventurous approach. Ok the captain can’t catch a ball and the inside centre is a bit like a shop dummy with perfect hair and teeth and zero creativity. The flyhalf is predictable. But that hasn’t stopped them winning before.
28 Feb 2013, 10:24 am
@FrenklyMuDeah-640: check their tour from hell
28 Feb 2013, 10:26 am
NZ TAB has the Crusaders as heavy favorites, if they play structured error free rugby they should win but if it gets a little loose the brown brothers could run riot.
28 Feb 2013, 10:27 am
@grant10-641: Not good, but should win all their home games now with exception of Sharks maybe. And should beat Aus teams on tour. Stormers may not think last weeks loss was important but no bonus point, huge psychological blow and if they Durban without a point their season is going to be stressed.
28 Feb 2013, 10:29 am
@nortierd-639:
well hes not even Saffa apparently, so I guess it was your countries misfortune too
28 Feb 2013, 10:35 am
@the curse-644:
Pops, the universe is big, you know we might have “visitors” walking amongst us.
28 Feb 2013, 10:39 am
@the curse-644: he’s a Zambezi Shark, I believe – lots of them in the “Last Outpost”
28 Feb 2013, 10:43 am
@nortierd-639: HG is Lulu Xingwana withballs and a swagger……
@nortierd-645: Of course. You just have to read Skop’s posts.
28 Feb 2013, 10:44 am
Waaaaaaah, I want my Mummy… Boo farken hoo
Pooper’s being naasty to me…
Let me go get my paddle… and canoe up shitcreek, with a few derogatory country articles to c&p as “returning serve”
28 Feb 2013, 10:48 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-619:
Awesome Pedigree…I’m with you…Blues all the way….Ride the wave early….
Pops get with the Kaupapa……He Kahurangi
28 Feb 2013, 10:48 am
@Heavens Game-648: hehe is that what you called your thai ladyboy?
vatso katvis
28 Feb 2013, 10:50 am
@Te Rangatira-649: kia ora bro… yeah, have changed my mind and tipped them, very wearily of course, mainly due to the Saders playing their first comp game..
also tipped the Stormers, think Elton will be better this week…
28 Feb 2013, 10:53 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-647:
Space balls instead of Star Wars
28 Feb 2013, 10:55 am
@nortierd-652: is that your young uns on your superbru profile Nortie?
28 Feb 2013, 10:55 am
@the curse-651:
Kia ora Pops…..can’t give out class A info….got to keep it under wraps Didn’t see the Sharks or Stormers play…. I think Lambie is better…..
28 Feb 2013, 10:56 am
@the curse-651: Nice tipping Pops
Saders traditionally slow starters. If there is an opportunity in this comp to snatch a win, it’s now.
However, as for the Stormers vs Guppies
I am afraid to say, you have wasted a Pick 
We are not worthy of being on the same field as the BOOM. 
Elton vs The Baby *****?
Kids vs Jannie and Beast?
28 Feb 2013, 10:56 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-655: Oh dear. J-e-s-u-s is a banned word?
Sorry if my comment was offensive.
28 Feb 2013, 10:57 am
@the curse-653:
Yep, my daughter.
Photo was taken Friday on our way to Loftus
28 Feb 2013, 10:58 am
@nortierd-652:
Look, I do believe that Skop at times might cover his air vents with tin foil…..to prevent alien radiation etc.
But I must withdraw my comment on him being an alien – he is after all a Stormers fan, a comrade
28 Feb 2013, 11:00 am
@Te Rangatira-654: I didnt see those sides play either, but have faith in the Stormers who could have won last week with making their kicks… dont think theyll miss as many this week..
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-655: I won both picks last friday, then had 5 straight losses beginning with the Bulls game… so am already playing catch ups
28 Feb 2013, 11:01 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-633: If you whant political instability may I suggest you move to Italy
No other country can begin to claim that distinction from Italy 
28 Feb 2013, 11:01 am
@nortierd-657: lucky she got her mums looks huh?
28 Feb 2013, 11:03 am
@Sharksgirl-660:
Italy, the country that brings you the best cars, but then also balances it out with the worst drivers
28 Feb 2013, 11:04 am
@the curse-659:
I like the Stormers when Estebeth is there and Kolisi is at the top of his game,
28 Feb 2013, 11:04 am
@the curse-661:
Very lucky
28 Feb 2013, 11:05 am
@BudYza do I pose some kind of threat to your rugby prowess on this site or something to that effect? For a start it would help not to fabricate **** about what I rely on or call on you to rely on.
Kindly point out where I said one should rely on Wiki for de Jongh’s stats or quoted them for that matter? Where did I state that my recollection of his weight being given as 94kg was a source of reference?
I dont give a toss about what you think of my take on de Jongh vs Jordaan, what I am telling you is that Jordaan is bigger than de Jongh end of.
I am also telling you that in my opinion de Jongh is too small for test rugby and a complete liability at that level. Take that as defining or twisting the facts in the breeze, whatever that is meant to mean.
Unlike you, I know my stats, so it was merley a case of me pointing out your slip where you informed us that Jordaan and de Jongh were the same weight. I seem to have hit a nerve, get over it.
A simple question, do you count yourself as one of those intelligent and objective people you refer to, a simple yes or no will do?
28 Feb 2013, 11:07 am
@Te Rangatira-663: I think a side that topped the conference last year, was it two or three losses all season, will know how to bounce back and will be up for this game..
from all accounts Sharks werent great last week either..
@nortierd-664: so you must be punching above your weight too Nortie?
28 Feb 2013, 11:20 am
@grant
You obviously need a bit of a rugby education. Its one thing making an open field tackle in space, something Aplon and de Jongh are good at. The issue with both of them is that they are liabilities when it comes to front on defence.
de Jongh is hardly going to hit a man front on and drive him back now is he? Equally he is hardly going to commit to contact on attack and offload to his support runners now is he?
Therein lies the issue with de Jongh who was a no show for most of last years S15 – this in a side that topped the log. de Jongh is a skilful little guy who every now and again is able to execute a break as he did in the CC final. In space he is good, but the reality of modern test rugby is that space is at a premium. Test centres spend 85% of their time in traffic – in traffic you need skill and size to succeed, hence the fact we see de Jongh go AWOL at test level as he did against England.
You dont see 88kg outside centres playing test rugby for a reason – get it?
28 Feb 2013, 11:24 am
@the curse-659:
Pops, Stormers can win…….but Sharks have try scoring ability…which pushes me their way….
28 Feb 2013, 11:25 am
@Te Rangatira-668: makes sense bro, but local derbies can go either way regardless of lead in form… I cant do worse then I did last week, so no wucking forries
28 Feb 2013, 11:29 am
@the curse-650: What… Paddle, Shitcreek or Mummy… Your Mummy?
Howzat?
28 Feb 2013, 11:31 am
@the curse-666: I guess it’s do or die for Stormers – imagine being 9 points behind Bulls already with champions coming to town and Crusaders looming on the horizont later and that’s all while still in the comfort of home continent. Not good for confidence.
On the other hand, if they do somehow win (and they can), it will be a farken huge blow to the main rival from Indian ocean shore.
28 Feb 2013, 11:34 am
@Heavens Game-670: so, you still think making jokes about dead family is funny?
fair enough
28 Feb 2013, 11:40 am
@Heavens Game-670: guess it shows how weak you really are if all you can come back with is jokes about dead people..
I do pity you…
@polaris-671: yeah agreed, I think they will have targeted two from their first four games to stay in touch, so I think theyll see this one as a must win game..
28 Feb 2013, 11:43 am
@Te Rangatira-668: Hi, TR, I see you are on your way to have a home semi. Big lead.
28 Feb 2013, 12:27 pm
@Saffex-665:
A little upset are you? That’s very funny. Do you need a brown paper bag?
The only threat you pose is to your own credibility which, let’s be frank shall we, is not exactly something to write home about and you have less chance of hitting my nerves than Deon Fourie has of hitting his jumpers. A clue for you: my comments have been relaxed and free of invective and expletives. Yours?
You made unsubstantiated claims that de Jongh gets knocked backwards in tackles and suggested Paul Jordaan doesn’t because he is somehow much bigger. I then posted stats to point out the holes in your argument and that they are very similar in size. Yes, Jordaan is slightly taller and has beefed up a bit, according to you, but the fact remains you are splitting hairs. There is not a big difference between the two players and their momentum, technique and position when tackling or being tackled will have more effect on the direction of the resultant collision than a couple of extra inches or kgs.
I also said that if you wanted to use the size argument it would hold water selecting Jan Serfontein over de Jongh and Jordaan who are both smaller players.
As you’re suddenly so keen to get your facts right, remember you also stated that Jordaan is a more illusive runner than de Jongh. Can you please back that claim up with facts and stats from – “somewhere”? Anywhere?
28 Feb 2013, 13:25 pm
Sheez one leaves for a few hours in order to make a positive contribution to the economy (my economy of course) and it’s Groundhogblog.
HG insulting decent people…..
Someone saying size does matter…..
etc
etc.
Howdy Sharksgirl
Italy has a colourful political landscape to say the least 
Ours however, is just ‘special’ on so many levels. And I refer not only to the ruling party….I refer to the bigger circus, the clowns, tigers, tightrope walkers, fat ladies, bearded ladies, sneaky dwarves, dancing cats, old ladies, fire eating men etc etc etc.
We have them all.
28 Feb 2013, 13:38 pm
@the curse-672: A funny as Lazarus… You know, that really funny one about Fern faking a death…?
Farken get off your high horse, twat.
28 Feb 2013, 13:47 pm
it’s a known fact that fern faked his own death on here HG
but nice of you to ride in and save your boyfriend
still, dead mum jokes aren’t half as funny as admitting to g.ay ***. with Thai lady boys
I imagine you did a lot of receiving rather than pitching huh?
28 Feb 2013, 13:48 pm
speaking of high horses, seems you rode in rather too quickly on yours didnt you g.ayboy?
28 Feb 2013, 14:20 pm
@BudYza
So now you have me down as upset do you? Would that be because I used the word ‘****’ you poor little man?
There is little point in debating with a clown who’s fabrications know no boundaries. Do you think that by making it up, your counter will somehow carry more weight?
Where did I suggest that Jordaan would not get pushed back in a tackle and more importantly where did I say that Jordaan was a more illusive runner than de Jongh? You seem to get a kick out of lying and therefore may I suggest that in response you stick to the facts – for being exposed as a liar is hardly going to carry sway moving forward now is it?
Now be a gent and try keep this clean, for you dont want me throwing in any more expletives and getting all emotional about this little debate now do you? ****, you know what they say about those that resort to expletives!!
28 Feb 2013, 14:37 pm
@the curse-669:
You aren’t to badly placed, still in a good position.
I on the other hand hit rock bottom and then managed to fall another couple of meters.
See TR is keeping us in suspense with his picks.
28 Feb 2013, 14:41 pm
Nortie
I’m thinking of an ac/dc song
it’s a long way, to the top.
28 Feb 2013, 14:46 pm
@the curse-682:
Ha ha
I was thinking of another song, ” the only way is up, baby”
28 Feb 2013, 14:47 pm
I think TRs not gonna make his picks until the last moment
two rounds down and the paranoia and pressure of leading the comp is getting to him already
28 Feb 2013, 14:49 pm
later boet. time to ten in for te night. cheers
28 Feb 2013, 14:50 pm
@the curse-678: Ga.ysex…? Maybe, but I would classify it more as a mistaken dip though…
To be honest though this Ladyboy called herself “Poppa” and more maori than Thai – more Fa’afafine than Kathoey….
Was “she” actually you?
Could big bad Ole HG maybe have rogered Fats Domino pooper hisself…Fark thats a bad mistake
28 Feb 2013, 14:51 pm
@the curse-684:
Was thinking of getting someone to hack his computer to spy on his picks, but he is on to me
Keeping his picks till the last minute, how spiteful.
28 Feb 2013, 14:51 pm
@the curse-685:
Cheers
28 Feb 2013, 16:00 pm
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28 Feb 2013, 16:01 pm
@Heavens Game-689: Dammit… ASCII Art farked and on wrong thread
28 Feb 2013, 18:39 pm
Bakkies
Vir jou aandag
SA Rugby magazine
TOMORROW on http://www.sarugbymag.co.za: Gareth Duncan speaks to BAKKIES BOTHA about life in France
28 Feb 2013, 19:17 pm
@Saffex-680:
Your original post was to make the point that de Jongh was not big enough. You used Jordaan as one example to ‘prove’ your case. You added that Jordaan is an elusive runner thereby implying de Jongh is not. You tried vainly to suggest de Jongh is not robust enough and your thesis has proved to have more convoluted holes in it than 12 year old Swiss cheese. Twist and turn and squirm all you like. All you have proved is that you judge rugby players more by the colour of their skins than by the colour of their skills.
28 Feb 2013, 23:26 pm
nope. never been to Thailand HG, but you seem to know all the back alleys huh? sounds like you hold a candle for this maori boy. eish
why anyone would admit to sleeping with a lady boy is beyond me. Have you been tested for disease?
I guess the banshee is really a Manshe huh?
28 Feb 2013, 23:26 pm
@BudYza
You really are a pathetic individual now playing the race card – is that your best shot?
You brought up intelligent and objective but clearly display neither. Your lack of substance shines bright.
In my original post, I said nothing of comparing Jordaan to de Jongh, I merely mentioned Jordaan as a good prospect. I have gone on to correct your ill informed presentation of the respective players sizes. You had them as the same size, I provided evidence to the contrary.
I implied nothing about de Jongh when I said Jordaan was an illusive runner. Don’t confuse your stupidity with misdirected implications.
Race card, how pathetic you are. Man up and put up a better fight wee man
1 Mar 2013, 09:00 am
ExSaffa
Why should I not play the race card that everyone knows is your one card trick. This truth may be inconvenient for you and leave your racism exposed but it is still the truth. Attack the truth and me as much as you can but the truth will always remain. You know this which is why you protest so much you’re not comfortable with being exposed in public. If you were not racist you could perhaps learn a lesson here and use rational valid reasons for rating players in future. But you will not learn a lesson because to do so would be to admit that you are racist. A conundrum that only integrity and humility can solve. A pity you have neither.
You are an amateur debater because you are a mass debater.
1 Mar 2013, 09:03 am
You are a bore. You are the weakest link. Goodbye.
1 Mar 2013, 12:17 pm
@BudYza
The only reason you are playing the race card is because I have exposed you for the scummy liar that you are.
Only a desperate fool, backed into a corner would resort to such pathetic underhand tactics, especially considering you know stuff all about me.
I am not even going to rise to the pathetic racism allegation, hell you should be ashamed of yourself. Its just a pity this thread has died a death for your fellow posters could then see what a pathetic individual you are.
Grow some balls man, you waste of space
2 Mar 2013, 10:09 am
What a gutless yellow livered eunuch worm of an excuse for a man are you. You claimed de Jongh was too small but Jordaan is a fine prospect when they are basically the same size. So you lied you useless ignorant fool. if you are not lying please quote all the many examples where de Jongh gets “smashed back in tackles”. Again a barefaced lie from a dishonest coward of a human being. I called you on it for what it was a prejudiced lie slamming a player dishonestly because he is coloured and promoting another player similar in every aspect because he is white. You can squirm as much as you like like the worm you are on a hook but you will remain a racist scumbag no matter how you try and twist and turn. All it proves is that you are not only a racist but a typically cowardly racist hiding your prejudice behind alleged rugby knowledge and using that to criticize coloured and black players and praise white players. Butt your lack of any real rugby knowledge is as obvious as your racist attitude. Your record speaks for itself you nutless empty sack of bluster and bravado.
I have challenged you and proved you are nothing but a dishonest and gutless racist. I now dismiss you with the contempt you deserve.
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