Walsh should have been sacked
6 Mar 2013
MARK KEOHANE writes Steve Walsh should have been given the chop, even if just for a few games, for charging into Conrad Smith.
If a player had lost his cool, as Walsh did, and made contact with a referee he would have been fronting a disciplinary and all sorts of condemnation would accompany the appearance.
Walsh is again becoming a law unto himself and his ego is again getting the better of him.
The Australian-based Kiwi, who in Justin Marshall’s autobiography, admitted a rugby field wasn’t big enough to accommodate the egos of Marshall and himself and further made the admission that he couldn’t stand the sight of Marshall’s face and would penalise the Crusaders just because Marshall irritated him, has a controversial history with the whistle.
He was sacked previously because of his battle with booze and he returned to the game humbled and rejuvenated.
His performance in the Canes game was more of the old Walsh. His communication skills were lacking, he was larger than the players, he was No 1 and he was very anti the Canes in his approach.
The contact with Smith, when the Canes skipper queried a penalty, warranted sanction. It looked ugly and it looked malicious. Walsh was angry and lost the plot.
Smith has shown his class is being diplomatic and brushing off the incident, but Walsh erred in making the wrong call on a few occasions in a frantic final five minutes and it had a bearing on the outcome of the match.
Referee boss Lyndon Bray concedes Walsh got it wrong and Smith was right to query Walsh, and he further concedes Walsh’s performance wasn’t up to standard in the final few minutes. But, despite this, he told the Fairfax Media reporters the overall review assessment for Walsh was 93 percent and that the official reviewers were happy with the job done.
It is nothing short of disgraceful.
The Hurricanes lodged an official complaint and Bray said he and Canes coach Mark Hammett had agreed to disagree.
Bray said Walsh had made ‘two or three’ incorrect calls against the Hurricanes but defended Walsh’s overall performance.
‘Mark feels Steve didn’t have a very good day. My argument to that was I don’t think it was too bad, but I absolutely support that at a critical part of the game we got a couple wrong,’ said Bray.
Given this Walsh should have been stood down, even if just for a match or two.
‘I can understand that frustration, but across the game I don’t think there’s much argument other than Steve had a pretty good day generally. What Mark talked about really came down to a small number of decisions in the second half which really had an impact on the Hurricanes. Fair cop.
‘I think Steve would agree with Mark he had two or three calls in the last quarter that weren’t as accurate as he’d like, including the penalty on the goal line which resulted in the back chat. So that all got a bit ugly because we agree the decision was wrong.’
Bray further defended Walsh’s clash with Smith as accidental and not malicious. You decide.
‘He was [caught in the moment]. He was in decision-making mode. It’s just one of those things,’ said Bray. “One of Steve’s strengths is that he’s a strong character on the field and I think that’s pretty important for a referee. On Friday night both the players and the referee got a little frustrated.
‘He had a couple of errors build up and they went against the Hurricanes at key moments and that’s where you can understand Mark’s frustrations.’
Walsh’s reward for getting it wrong in the crucial time of the game was to fly to London to referee a Six Nations international this weekend and he will resume business in Super Rugby on his return.
Referee accountability is an area that continues to be glossed over in all competitions. The standard of refereeing in the early part of the competition has been inconsistent, the application of the five second use it law at ruck time has been so subjectively applied, depending on the referee, that it is a farce and certain referees allow teams to slow the ball down with repeated calls of ‘release release’ by which time the damage has been done to the attacking side.
Referee interpretation still influences too much of the play, as does the time of the match when the offending team transgressors. Teams commit professional fouls on their goalline in the first 20 minutes and never face a yellow card, but the same transgression is always punished with a yellow or red card if occurring in the last five or 10 minutes of a match.
Referees, like players, are paid professionals. They need to be held accountable when getting it wrong and there needs to be more sanction and scrutiny on those who allow the play to be slowed down by repeated cautions but rarely with consequence. Referees will tell you they caution to get flow but if they penalised immediately and set a standard that slowing down the ball won’t be tolerated they’d then get the flow in a game.
Generally there is too much back slapping within the referee fraternity and while it is a thankless task to be a referee let’s not forget these guys chose it as a profession, and if they want to be treated like professionals they must equally be judged as professionals.
Walsh betrayed the professionalism of an international referee in the way he lost it with Smith and lost it with the Canes. There had to be a consequence to that poor form. Instead there is only reward. It is why nothing will change.
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6 Mar 2013, 12:21 pm
RT @sportproducer: Ref Steve Walsh still winning friends & influencing people. And he’s headed our way
http://t.co/TqmQLmwpZx #rterugby
6 Mar 2013, 12:23 pm
@Bagel-95:
i actually don’t care what tac thinks he is tbh. i figure he is entitled to his opinions however warped.
@Tacitus-97: i wasn’t talking to you.
6 Mar 2013, 12:26 pm
@NZINCHINA-92: lol, silly really, but yeah we hear a lot of Justinand he has been very good, i know Poopscooperpoppa does not like him because when a Kiwi player did something wrong or got away with doing something wrong Justin said it as it was.
If the Ref was wrong Justin says so no matter who the benefactor was.
6 Mar 2013, 12:27 pm
This is very old article but I doubt that things have change that much. Maybe now that guns became available for other communities as well, things changed a bit afa the stats go but I somehow doubt that very much.
Kerk, politiek kan tot gesinsmoord bydra
GESINSMOORDE neem baie vinnig in Suid-Afrika toe. Dié sorgwekkende tendens kom veral onder blanke, Afrikaanse Suid-Afrikaners voor, waar die pa sy hele gesin uitwis, het in Kaapstad op ‘n simposium van die Instituut vir Kliniese Sielkunde oor geweld in Suid-Afrika geblyk. Die redes waarom veral Afrikaners dié uitweg kies, is moontlik gewortel in veral dié dinge wat onlosmaaklik aan die Afrikaner gekoppel is en wat hy as ideale en geloofwaardige modelle vir sy optrede beskou – sy kerk en politiek.
Ons Mediese Verslaggewer, MARë HUDSON, doen verslag.
GESINSMOORDE in Suid-Afrika het die afgelope vyf jaar sorgwekkend toegeneem en is besig om ‘n té algemene verskynsel te word. Gesinsmoorde het van 10 in 1983 toegeneem tot 13 in 1984, 17 in 1985, 27 in 1986 en 50 verlede jaar. Altesame 126 gesinsmoorde is sedert 1983 tot in Junie vanjaar in Suid-Afrika gepleeg, volgens statistieke wat op die simposium deur mnr. Derik Momberg van die departement van sielkunde van die Universiteit van Stellenbosch bekend gemaak is. Mnr. Momberg is ook ‘n teoloog. In ‘n ontleding van die 40 gesinsmoorde wat van 1983 tot 1985 gepleeg is, het die volgende geblyk: 26 van die gesinsmoordenaars was mans en 14 vroue; die meeste was tussen 30 en 38 jaar oud; 38 van die gesinne wat uitgewis is, was blankes, terwyl 2 Indiërs was; minstens 60 persent was Afrikaansspekend; en die moorde kom onder alle sosiaal-ekonomiese klasse voor.
Gesinsmoorde kom dus veral onder blanke Afrikaanse gesinne voor, en dit is die pa wat sy gesin uitwis. Hoewel gesinsmooorde ook onder ander bevolkingsgroepe voorkom, kan dit in Suid-Afrika as kulturele verskynsel gesien word. Sommige verduidelikings wat vir ‘n gesinsmoord gegee word, is dat die pa moontlik hom en sy hele gesin vermoor omdat hy na ‘n oplossing vir homself soek en sy gesin daarby insluit. Hy “verlos” sy gesin soos hy ook homself “verlos” en tree meestal nie uit wraaksugtige en haatgedagtes op nie. In ‘n soeke na moontlike redes waarom dit veral Afrikaners is wat hulle gesinne uitwis, blyk dat veral twee faktore ‘n groot invloed op die Afrikanergesin het: sy kerklike tradisie en sy politiek. Indien die twee invloede effe uit verband geruk word, kan dit ‘n pa laat dink dat ‘n gesinsmoord al oplossing vir sy en sy gesin se probleme is. ‘n Mens skoei sy optrede op die modelle waarna hy opsien. In die Afrikaner se geval was en is sy kerk en politiek onlosmaaklik aan hom verbonde. Die Afrikaner skoei sy gesin se gesagstruktuur op die model van die kerklike tradisie – veral dié van die gereformeerde kerke – en sy oplossing van probleme en konflik op die politieke model: ‘n outokratiese bestuurstyl waar die gesagsfiguur namens die ander besluite neem, eksterne inmenging nie as reg beskou word nie, en waar mag fisiek vertoon word. Die tradisionele Afrikanergesin bestaan nog uit ‘n patriargale sisteem met die man wat namens sy gesin besluite neem en namens sy gesin optree. Volgens die kerktradisie is die man emosioneel en finansieel alleen verantwooordleik vir sy gesin. Dit bring dikwels mee dat hy ‘n misplaaste verantwoordelikheid vir sy gesin aanvaar. Dié gesagstruktuur plaas nie net geweldige druk op die man nie, maar plaas hom ook in ‘n posisie om die mag te misbruik. Die gesinsmoordenaar raak oorbetrokke by sy gesin en aanvaar namens hulle verantwoordelikheid vir alles – ook hul lewe. Dit blyk dat veral gereformeerde kerkleiers ‘n oënskynlike onvermoë het om kreatief by te dra om die mense te help om hul probleme op te los. Dit blyk dat kerkleiers, wat as die gewete van die volk beskou word, dikwels met alle mag argaïese en dikwels uitgediende strukture verdedig en in stand hou. Die gesinsmoordenaar se optrede kan gesien word as ‘n onvermoë om konflikte te hanteer. Verskeie faktore – soos geld, droogte, huweliksprobleme, seksuele en werkprobleme – laat die gesinsmoordenaar so inkompetent voel dat hy aan geen ander alterantief kan dink as ‘n gesinsmoord nie. Die kerk verkondig die outokratiese gesinsisteem, maar ook dat lidmate gehoorsaam moet wees aan die staat. Hoewel dit die taak van enige regering is om sekere verantwoordelikheid vir sy onderdane te aanvaar, kan hy ook sy grense oorskry en oorbetrokke raak deur te veel beskermende wetgewing. Die Afrikaner wat sy gesin uitwis, is in die gesagsposisie van die gesin en tree op volgens die modelle wat hy ken – sy kerk en politieke bestel.
Wat is die oplossings vir gesinsmoord?: &cchar1; Op kort termyn moet die massamedia sensitiewer wees oor die onderwerp; &cchar1; Op lang termyn moet die bou van ‘n geestesgesonde gesin – waar die man en vrou medeverantwoordelikheid aanvaar vir die opvoeding van hul kinders en mekaar beskerm en ondersteun – gepropageer word; en &cchar1; Kinders moet van jongs af geleer word om probleme en konfliksituasies reg te hanteer – nie deur woede of geweld nie, maar deur aanvaarbare, gesonde oplossings sonder dat hulle hul perke van gesag en verantwoordelikheid oorskry.
Sorry if it is a bit long.
6 Mar 2013, 12:32 pm
@nama1-103:
I don’t see the comparative stats there. To make a statement that most family murders occur in a certain population group, you need to show me the comparative stats for other population groups.
We are told that most murders in SA are by close aquaintances and family members.
Since the vast majority of murders occur in the black community, it is highly unlikely that it is white family murders that constitute the bulk of these murders between close family members.
I think you just sucked that statement out of your arse.
6 Mar 2013, 12:32 pm
@gunther-94: Stormersboy… where is he?
6 Mar 2013, 12:34 pm
@nama1-103: “Sorry if it is a bit long.”
“Sorry if you don’t read or understand Afrikaans.”
6 Mar 2013, 12:35 pm
@nama1-98: you won’t get him to deal with the article holistically…
it is written by a leftist & quotes lulu xingwana: those two aspects render the rest of the article invalid
6 Mar 2013, 12:39 pm
Vok maar dis hoog Afrikaans
All I can see is they took stats between 1983 and 1985
6 Mar 2013, 12:45 pm
@Bagel-91:
@cane-93: Excellent posts which pretty much sums everything up IMO.
Keo is making a mountain out of a molehill.
6 Mar 2013, 12:48 pm
@Tacitus-104:
What do you even mean?
Momberg made an analysis of 40 family murders. 38 of which were committed by whites (English & Afrikaans) and 2 by Indians.
“At least 60%,” that would be 24/40, were committed by Afrikaans people. It’s clear that the majority of family murders in this case, were committed by white Afrikaan people.
You have to distinguish between family murders and the murder of your partner/murder of an individual family member like your brother.. Family murder, as the name suggest, involves killing your partner/wife and your children. (GESINSMOORD).
@Finfan-106:
I was raised in Afrikaans, boet. Believe me, I fully comprehend what I read there.
6 Mar 2013, 12:48 pm
C’mon Keo, storm in a teacup stuff this is. That was clearly an accidental push as Smith was genuinely in the way and too close to the ref, who apologised immediately anyway. How many refs have been injured and knocked unconscious by a player over the years by mistake?
Walsh is probably the best ref in Australasia. Not saying much about the standard of their refs, but they are way better than the useless Norther Hemisphere refs. I always thought that Scott Young from NZ was a great ref, too bad he retired a few years ago at a still young age.
6 Mar 2013, 12:51 pm
@nama1-110: You are missing the point: Some of the bloggers here were NOT raised in Afrikaans. Boet.
Comprehend English?
6 Mar 2013, 12:52 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-102:
one of the few then
Now you guys are fighting over who murders who and what colour murders their family the most, sadly there will never be any harmony in your country.
6 Mar 2013, 12:55 pm
@Dawn-108:
1983-1988.
I did say it was an old article. Not many scientific studies have been done about this phenomena apparently.
6 Mar 2013, 12:58 pm
@Finfan-112:
OK, now I get you. My bad.
Didn’t see your inverted commas. Apologies.
6 Mar 2013, 12:59 pm
@Tacitus-79: I think you are Oscar’s daddy.
6 Mar 2013, 13:00 pm
@NZINCHINA-113: Eish mate, those guys are, not everyone is, I am here to talk about rugby, not sure about them.
Fact is crime is all over the world, these issues are not just a South African problem,
I support the Black and White
and excuse the pun lmao
6 Mar 2013, 13:01 pm
@NZINCHINA-113: NOw be honest here young man, you supporting the Kings this weekend??
6 Mar 2013, 13:03 pm
@nama1-103:
That’s the basis for your assumption?
A twenty year article?
Wow!
A woman dies at her partner’shands every 8 hours and its “predominantly” Afrikaans people? The Mail and Guardian article is not talking about family murders specifically here but thhe stats concerning the murder of partners and spouses. Your article is talking about something else. Interesting as it is.
6 Mar 2013, 13:06 pm
@nama1-115: No problem. (Another generalisation – as with family murders – is that all rugby lovers understand Afrikaans,
)
6 Mar 2013, 13:10 pm
RT @keocoza: Walsh should have been sacked: MARK KEOHANE writes Steve Walsh should have been given the chop, even if just … http://t.c …
6 Mar 2013, 13:11 pm
@gunther-43:
And here I thought she was trying to avoid his Spear.
6 Mar 2013, 13:11 pm
The Sharks
1. Tendai Mtawarira
2. Craig Burden
3. Jannie du Plessis
4. Anton Bresler
5. Franco van der Merwe
6. Marcell Coetzee
7. Jean Deysel
8. Ryan Kankowski
9. Cobus Reinach
10. Patrick Lambie
11. Lwazi Mvovo
12. Francois Steyn (Captain)
13. Paul Jordaan
14. JP Pietersen
15. Louis Ludik
Replacements
16. Kyle Cooper
17. Wiehahn Herbst
18. Pieter-Steph du Toit
19. Jacques Botes
20. Charl McLeod
21. Meyer Bosman
22. Odwa Ndungane
6 Mar 2013, 13:12 pm
@gunther-119:
It was reported here, that 1200 people a year die in Police Custody in SA.
That’s one every eight hours.
This is truely disturbing,
Even if on half correct.
(Reported after the Mozambique Taxi Driver death).
6 Mar 2013, 13:16 pm
I’ll trade 10 Peypers, 20 Jason Jaftas, 50 Craig Jouberts and few loose change in Pro Legotas for a one Steve Walsh, as BAD as he is!
And bad he is, make no mistake
Just to demonstrate how fraudulent, cheating and dishonest have South African referees became last 3 seasons under SARU and Andre Watson watch.
6 Mar 2013, 13:17 pm
@Sharks_are_gonna_get_you-123: Good to see that they are resting key players for the Queens game…
6 Mar 2013, 13:18 pm
@nama1-98: thats kaka my friend nama.
if you have stats then publish them please?
6 Mar 2013, 13:18 pm
@nama1-110:
Point 1.
So a sample of 40 murders were taken from 1983-1985, and not a single one was from the black community? Yeah, that makes sense. It’s pretty obvious that the black community was just left out of this study, which makes sense, given that this was during the Apartheid years.
Point 2.
So 60% of the murders committed by white men were by Afrikaans white men. Again, this is entirely logical, given that Afrikaners made up about 60% of the white population at the time. In fact, they probably made up around 65% of the white population at the time, so they are actually under represented in this sample.
Point 3.
Why on earth would you exclude murders of one’s partner from this debate, given that the whole debate is about the supposed Afrikaans, Calvinistic tendency to view their wives as so-called property?
In conclusion, it is farcical to base your argument on stats that didn’t include a comparison to the black African population at all, and which showed that Afrikaans white males are statistical no more prone to family murders than English speaking white males.
All that this study shows is that Indians are extraordinarily peace loving.
Furthermore, 40 murders over 3 years out of a white population at the time of around 5 million, equates to about 13 murders per year, which is less than 0,00002% of the population, or in normal murder ratio language, about 0.2 per 100 000 of the population.
That is not supporting your case at all.
6 Mar 2013, 13:19 pm
@cane-124: Sorry, but that I don’t believe.
No ways!
6 Mar 2013, 13:21 pm
@Tacitus-104:
http://www.ajol.info/index.php/hsa/article/download/10178/2310
Here’s a link to a study that was done by the HSRC. Note that this study was done more recently. In this instance 11 cases were researched and the findings wrt population groups were as follows:
Blacks: 3
Combination of black and Coloured: 1
White: 7
Note that they did not distinguish between white Afrikaans speaking and English speaking whites here.
Quite an interesting read from a mental health point of view.
6 Mar 2013, 13:23 pm
Good lord this is a complete non incident, what a load
6 Mar 2013, 13:24 pm
@gunther-120: i really dont know the stats i must say but making an assertion based on a 20 year old article, published by an afrikaner, in a time when accurate stats probably werent even kept about other race groups seems a bit of a stretch.
6 Mar 2013, 13:25 pm
@nama1-130: Coming in late here but Nam’s surely you are not agreeing with the viewpoint that white afrikaans calvanistic men are responsible for the out of control murders in SA?
6 Mar 2013, 13:26 pm
@Tacitus-128:
So do you suffer from bruxism?
You said you needed time so I diarised it to today’s date.
6 Mar 2013, 13:27 pm
I recall a certain Brian Mujati getting banned for 6 weeks for accidentally shoving nigel owens. when you see the video it’s clear mujati is just trying to get to a ruck and owens is in the way but that still didn’t justify contact….how is this incident any differenmt??????
6 Mar 2013, 13:28 pm
@nama1-130:
There are something like 18000 murders a year in SA (or some other number in the thousands). Of these, the majority are between family membrs and aquaintances.
If even 10% of these are between spouses and spousal partners, that equates to around 1800 spousal murders a year in SA.
References to 5 or 10 or even 20 so called “family murders” in the white Afrikaans community per year don’t make up even a fraction of this total.
6 Mar 2013, 13:29 pm
@nama1-130: i have to ask why you are so intent on researching this kind of thing nama?
if you are a mental health professional then it is understandable.
if not, it seems to me like you are trying to prove that fat racist lulu correct.
6 Mar 2013, 13:29 pm
I’m sure most of you have read what Oscar’s father, Henke said.
Here is what I want to know: clearly the Pistorius’ are Afrikaans, but is Oscar Afrikaans?
If so why is his name Oscar Leonard Carl Pistorius? The tradition to give 3 names is Afrikaans but why the English names?
6 Mar 2013, 13:29 pm
@Sheriff-134:
No my teeth are fine thanks.
6 Mar 2013, 13:30 pm
@nama1-130:
It is really quite simple.
We have an extremely high “intimate femicide” rate, i.e. a woman being murdered by her husband or partner. This high rate is an indictment of a deeply patriarchal society, where some men feel that they have the final say in whether their families live or die.
This is not helped by extremely weak implementation of court protection orders as well as apathy from most policemen regarding domestic violence.
South Africa is a society under extreme stress. You have to take into account shifting demographic patterns, weak economic performance, unemployment, a culture of substance abuse – these all contribute.
But family murders do tend to be committed by men who one can describe as “authoritarian” as well as strongly patriarchal.
I think it is a misnomer to link it to a specific race or cultural grouping. I think socio-economic class has a considerable impact as well.
6 Mar 2013, 13:30 pm
@Skeppie-133:
Seeing that you are coming in late, I’d suggest that you go back on the thread and read what is being discussed before you ask me a question like that.
No, is the answer to your question.
6 Mar 2013, 13:30 pm
walsh just needed to take a 20cm swerve to the left to avoid smith……he clearly knows what he’s doing when he shoves him but cleverly apologizes straight away to mask it as ‘an accident’. kudos to smith for keeping his cool, but if u replay the incident you can clearly hear smith saying “easy easy easy” when walsh shoves him, a clear sign that he could sense walsh’s venom.
6 Mar 2013, 13:32 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-129:
A bit of research shows I was wrong.
But not outrageously wrong.
“WorldOver 900 die in South African police custody”
JOHANNESBURG: About 932 people died in police custody in South Africa in 2011-12, a report by the Independent Police Investigative Directorate (Ipid) revealed.
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KwaZulu-Natal had 268 deaths with Gauteng second at 217 deaths and Eastern Cape had 120, the Dispatch Online reported.Meanwhile, eight police officers, implicated in the death of an East Rand taxi driver, appeared in the Daveyton Magistrate’s Court yesterday.The two warrant officers and six constables face a murder charge following the death of Mido Macia while in police custody. The officers allegedly tied 27-year-old Macia to the back of a police van and dragged him along a street in Daveyton on Tuesday.
6 Mar 2013, 13:36 pm
@flanka-142: What you couldn’t hear was Smith telling Walsh that he had fckall between the ears, was a blind as a bat alcoholic, although what he said about Walsh’s mother is not quite audible.
6 Mar 2013, 13:37 pm
@nama1-103: Very hazy… Dont you find it interesting that only White and Indian ethnic groups are mentioned…
Is this because only detailed statistics of White and Indian groups were collected…
Or does the apparent fact that 60% of family murders are committed by Afrikaans males appeal to you…
Do you think this study is valid in implying that Afrikaans males are more likely to commit family murder? Do you subscribe to ethnic/racial differences – whether cultural or genetic…
If so, then do you think that this article is equally valid:
“The lead article in the June 2005 issue of Psychology, Public Policy and Law, a journal of the American Psychological Association, examined 10 categories of research evidence from around the world to contrast “a hereditarian model (50% genetic-50% cultural) and a culture-only model (0% genetic-100% cultural).”
The paper, “Thirty Years of Research on Race Differences in Cognitive Ability,” by J. Philippe Rushton of the University of Western Ontario and Arthur R. Jensen of the University of California at Berkeley, appeared with a positive commentary by Linda Gottfredson of the University of Delaware, three critical ones (by Robert Sternberg of Yale University, Richard Nisbett of the University of Michigan, and Lisa Suzuki & Joshua Aronson of New York University), and the authors’ reply.
“Neither the existence nor the size of race differences in IQ are a matter of dispute, only their cause,” write the authors. The Black-White difference has been found consistently from the time of the massive World War I Army testing of 90 years ago to a massive study of over 6 million corporate, military, and higher-education test-takers in 2001.”
6 Mar 2013, 13:38 pm
@nama1-141: Fair enough
6 Mar 2013, 13:39 pm
@nama1-141:
You seemingly have lost interest in the Stormers rugby lately diverting subjects elsewhere?
Or is it just you preparing yourself for Saturday show down?
Well, your concerns are valid, Peyper ,as cheating as he is has to consider his Test career too, he will donate the Srormers 10-12 points but not more than that, it may not be enough
Than you can blame the apartheid system again
6 Mar 2013, 13:41 pm
@The Rangerman-132:
Indeed.
Somebody is trying too hard.
6 Mar 2013, 13:48 pm
@gunther-148: well i think HG just took it to another level
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