Walsh should have been sacked
6 Mar 2013
MARK KEOHANE writes Steve Walsh should have been given the chop, even if just for a few games, for charging into Conrad Smith.
If a player had lost his cool, as Walsh did, and made contact with a referee he would have been fronting a disciplinary and all sorts of condemnation would accompany the appearance.
Walsh is again becoming a law unto himself and his ego is again getting the better of him.
The Australian-based Kiwi, who in Justin Marshall’s autobiography, admitted a rugby field wasn’t big enough to accommodate the egos of Marshall and himself and further made the admission that he couldn’t stand the sight of Marshall’s face and would penalise the Crusaders just because Marshall irritated him, has a controversial history with the whistle.
He was sacked previously because of his battle with booze and he returned to the game humbled and rejuvenated.
His performance in the Canes game was more of the old Walsh. His communication skills were lacking, he was larger than the players, he was No 1 and he was very anti the Canes in his approach.
The contact with Smith, when the Canes skipper queried a penalty, warranted sanction. It looked ugly and it looked malicious. Walsh was angry and lost the plot.
Smith has shown his class is being diplomatic and brushing off the incident, but Walsh erred in making the wrong call on a few occasions in a frantic final five minutes and it had a bearing on the outcome of the match.
Referee boss Lyndon Bray concedes Walsh got it wrong and Smith was right to query Walsh, and he further concedes Walsh’s performance wasn’t up to standard in the final few minutes. But, despite this, he told the Fairfax Media reporters the overall review assessment for Walsh was 93 percent and that the official reviewers were happy with the job done.
It is nothing short of disgraceful.
The Hurricanes lodged an official complaint and Bray said he and Canes coach Mark Hammett had agreed to disagree.
Bray said Walsh had made ‘two or three’ incorrect calls against the Hurricanes but defended Walsh’s overall performance.
‘Mark feels Steve didn’t have a very good day. My argument to that was I don’t think it was too bad, but I absolutely support that at a critical part of the game we got a couple wrong,’ said Bray.
Given this Walsh should have been stood down, even if just for a match or two.
‘I can understand that frustration, but across the game I don’t think there’s much argument other than Steve had a pretty good day generally. What Mark talked about really came down to a small number of decisions in the second half which really had an impact on the Hurricanes. Fair cop.
‘I think Steve would agree with Mark he had two or three calls in the last quarter that weren’t as accurate as he’d like, including the penalty on the goal line which resulted in the back chat. So that all got a bit ugly because we agree the decision was wrong.’
Bray further defended Walsh’s clash with Smith as accidental and not malicious. You decide.
‘He was [caught in the moment]. He was in decision-making mode. It’s just one of those things,’ said Bray. “One of Steve’s strengths is that he’s a strong character on the field and I think that’s pretty important for a referee. On Friday night both the players and the referee got a little frustrated.
‘He had a couple of errors build up and they went against the Hurricanes at key moments and that’s where you can understand Mark’s frustrations.’
Walsh’s reward for getting it wrong in the crucial time of the game was to fly to London to referee a Six Nations international this weekend and he will resume business in Super Rugby on his return.
Referee accountability is an area that continues to be glossed over in all competitions. The standard of refereeing in the early part of the competition has been inconsistent, the application of the five second use it law at ruck time has been so subjectively applied, depending on the referee, that it is a farce and certain referees allow teams to slow the ball down with repeated calls of ‘release release’ by which time the damage has been done to the attacking side.
Referee interpretation still influences too much of the play, as does the time of the match when the offending team transgressors. Teams commit professional fouls on their goalline in the first 20 minutes and never face a yellow card, but the same transgression is always punished with a yellow or red card if occurring in the last five or 10 minutes of a match.
Referees, like players, are paid professionals. They need to be held accountable when getting it wrong and there needs to be more sanction and scrutiny on those who allow the play to be slowed down by repeated cautions but rarely with consequence. Referees will tell you they caution to get flow but if they penalised immediately and set a standard that slowing down the ball won’t be tolerated they’d then get the flow in a game.
Generally there is too much back slapping within the referee fraternity and while it is a thankless task to be a referee let’s not forget these guys chose it as a profession, and if they want to be treated like professionals they must equally be judged as professionals.
Walsh betrayed the professionalism of an international referee in the way he lost it with Smith and lost it with the Canes. There had to be a consequence to that poor form. Instead there is only reward. It is why nothing will change.
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6 Mar 2013, 13:51 pm
@Tacitus-136:
Tac, I think you’ll agree that wiping out your family before killing yourself, is something very, very out of the ordinary. Therefor it captures the interest of mental health professional so much. Why would a man, or woman, for that matter feel the need to kill his/her partner and children when he/she does not feel like living anymore.
Let us not confuse this phenomena with plain murder. Yes, it is but a drop in the ocean compared to the total murders each year in our country (16 000+) last year but it is exactly because it is so rare and mindboggling that it is studied as a field on its own.
@The Rangerman-137:
Would you have a problem if research show that Lulu was right?
Last week a police reservist in Springbok killed his two teenage children before killing himself. I’m trying to understand why someone would do that.
@WP-Forever-140:
“I think socio-economic class has a considerable impact as well.”
Apparently not.
“Gesinsmoorde, wat dikwels op die dader se selfmoord uitloop, vang die aandag van sielkundiges en sosioloë vas. Die psige van die dader kan dikwels tot die sosio-ekonomiese omgewing en selfs die tyd van die jaar teruggevoer word, en is dikwels voorkombaar.
Baie dikwels het die dader vooraf soveel seine om hulp uitgestuur maar die omdat die persoon se vrese dikwels buitensporig teenoor die werklike aard van die probleme gelyk het, is dit verkeerd hanteer.
Sekere statistiese gegewens dui aan dat daar dikwels vooraf waarskuwingstekens was. Wêreldwyd word 90 % van die gesinsmoorde deur mans gepleeg, en in die meeste gevalle word wettige vuurwapens ingespan.
Sosioloë neem waar dat dit dikwels volg op tye wanneer ekonomiese resessie aanbreek. Sielkundiges neem die aflosstokkie en wys daarop dat die meeste gesinsmoorde oor die feestyd plaasvind wanneer mense alleen is, meer depressief raak en daar meer geldelike druk binne die gesin bestaan.
Sosioloë wys daarop dat sulke tragedies gewoonlik volg op veranderings soos industrialisasie en morele verval. Sielkundiges soek hierna die sneller-oorsake, soos ’n krisis, geld, egskeiding of verlies van werk. Internasionale studies dui daarop dat moorde wat op selfmoord uitloop en gesinsgeweld ‘n piek onder werkloosheid bereik. ‘n Toename is juis in 2009 met die aanbreek van die huidige wêreld-ekonomiese krisis voorspel.
Heelwat is ook al geskryf oor hoekom soveel polisielede by sulke dade betrokke raak. Die probleem is veel komplekser as die blote uitwys van statistiese gegewens soos dat die polisie oor wettige vuurwapens beskik en dat die meeste gesinsmoorde met wettige vuurwapens gepleeg word en dat dit dus te wagte is. In baie gevalle het dit na die tragedie geblyk dat die persoon aan depressie gelei het – gewoonlik weens werksomstandighede soos skynbaar onredelike verplasings, en selfs dat die persoon onder behandeling en medikasie vir depressie was. Vrae word dan ook gevra oor hoekom die persoon se vuurwapen nie teruggeneem is nie.
Apologies to our English readers. (Thanks Finfan
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6 Mar 2013, 13:54 pm
@nama1-150:
They dont want their families to suffer in this hell hole without them?
6 Mar 2013, 13:57 pm
@nama1-150: bud do you really expect me to believe that lulu had any research or stats to back her claim?
just a small example for you:
when i was a guide at londolozi we had a tracker who stabbed his wife to death and then shot himself.
this was because she had miscarried a week before and had not stayed with him for an obligatory two weeks afterwards according to local shangaan custom.
was he in your study?
or was his case merely marked down as: murder?
and did he feel he “owned” his wife and that she needed to be punished for leaving his side?
who the f u k knows, not me, but your smilies and glibness about this topic and attempts to fingerpoint or blame white afrikaners is not very nice.
6 Mar 2013, 13:58 pm
@Heavens Game-145:
Every now and again…just every now and again, that onderrok hang out.
@Hondo-147:
No man, I already put my colours to the mast on Monday evening when I said the Stormers will win by 1 (one) point.
6 Mar 2013, 14:01 pm
Would it be fair to say that 50% more family murders take place than in the Black, Coloured and Indian communities combined?
That is if one are to believe the stats that are out there at the moment.
6 Mar 2013, 14:01 pm
@nama1-153: I that so Nama… No answer I see…
The eugenic premise you quote is very similar to that which I do…
Do you understand the point of my post? Or do you just see Black and White, or “Calvinists” and the rest…
6 Mar 2013, 14:02 pm
@Heavens Game-155: Should be “Is that so Nama?”
6 Mar 2013, 14:03 pm
Walsh should have been sacked http://t.co/IQPuPh0Wfa via @sharethis
6 Mar 2013, 14:04 pm
@nama1-154: publish these stats please because your statement is quite difficult to understand.
6 Mar 2013, 14:08 pm
@The Rangerman-152:
You are deflecting as expected. I ask you a straight up question and you reply with a question. Why don’t you give a straight answer and no, I’m not defending that woman at all.
“was he in your study?”
I did not do the study. I was merely pointing out findings that was made from a research done by the HSRC. (p.130). Yyou know the Human Science Research Council. Now seeing that this is the organisation that did the study, I would suggest that it was done as scientifically as you can get.
6 Mar 2013, 14:11 pm
@nama1-158: “Human Science Research Council”…
Not really world renown for world class research, Nama you schmuck…
Sorry to you…
6 Mar 2013, 14:12 pm
@nama1-158:
That article points to a specific sample that was selected. A sample of about 10 cases.
What was the basis for selection? Amount of easily available data on record? Random selection? Representative selection?
I repeat the point that you unilaterally declared the murder of an entire family to be the narrow area of focus here, where the larger debate is about a specific group of men being possessive towards their wives and viewing them as property, leading to gender based violence.
This should absolutely include all spousal and spousal equivalent/girlfriend related murders. Of course, this does not suit your narrow agenda, does it.
6 Mar 2013, 14:12 pm
@nama1-158: deflecting?
i am telling you lulu had no statistical basis for her statement?
neither do i so i am asking you for the stats which lead to your assertions but it seems like you are projectiong your deflection onto me
6 Mar 2013, 14:13 pm
@The Rangerman-157:
http://www.ajol.info/index.php/hsa/article/download/10178/2310
Here’s a link to a study that was done by the HSRC. Note that this study was done more recently.
In this instance 11 cases were researched and the findings wrt population groups were as follows:
Blacks: 3
Combination of black and Coloured: 1
White: 7
Note that they did not distinguish between white Afrikaans speaking and English speaking whites here.
Do me a favour and read the whole report before you come back to me.
6 Mar 2013, 14:16 pm
71.gunther: Reply to this comment
6 Mar 2013, 11:29 am
@Transformation-64:
Are Afrikaans males the only segment of South African society who think they own women ?
It’s sad that an incompetent minister and a desperate and deluded father have hijacked a serious debate.
Answers on a postcard please.
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6 Mar 2013, 12:12 pm
@gunther-70:
Not the only ones but for some reason they are responsible for the most family murders taking place in SA.
Note, I said MOST. They are not the only ones who take their family with them to the other side if they reach that point of no return. However, it is more prevalent amongst that community than any other in the country.
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now this was your commentary nama. you directly blamed afrikaners for ” most family murders taking place in SA.”
apartheid and its legacy i suppose.
6 Mar 2013, 14:19 pm
@nama1-162: i did read it bud.
its a sample study looking at causal behaviour not a statistical analysis of the prevalence of this tragic occurrence by racial or linguistic grouping.
you have tried to paint it as such as in your post which i have reposted above and that is bankrupt reasoning, now find another line of reasoning to support lunatic lulu
6 Mar 2013, 14:21 pm
@nama1-162:
so if i walk around my neighbourhood and there are 3 poodles, 4 dobermans and a single alsation then that is nationally representative?
no man, your logic is flawed and your reasoning is, well, unreasonable.
6 Mar 2013, 14:25 pm
anyway, it is a sad tragic topic so i am going to leave it there.
have a good day nama.
6 Mar 2013, 14:27 pm
@Heavens Game-159:
We’re talking about SA here. Not the world.
6 Mar 2013, 14:27 pm
the two chicks one black Ms X and one white Ms P are right on the money..
all the squealing and vilifying complaining about which racial group have the highest problem in respect of such cases is nothing new its as easy to determine as watching who frequents rugby matches in this country in terms of demographics.
6 Mar 2013, 14:29 pm
@skopdiekan-168: really?
so rugby leads to spousal murder?
wtf are you on about?
6 Mar 2013, 14:34 pm
@Hurricane-80:
i am not saying either of the sort.
i think this is referred to as ‘leading the witness’.in a court of law.?..
6 Mar 2013, 14:38 pm
According to Census 2011 the following number for white males:
2,231, 682
It’s a pity they did not break it down for us:
* English
* Afrikaans
* Greek
* Portuguese
* Italian
* Jewish
* Other
By providing one figure it conveys the idea that it is a homogeneous group, far from it.
I reckon the above group owns about 80% (if not more) and more the country’s wealth. I’m sure that statement would fill pagan hearts with some warmth.
I also suspect that this figures is going up instead of coming down, that’s just my gut feel…
6 Mar 2013, 14:39 pm
Ooo jinne here’s a whole new can of whoopass being opened now
6 Mar 2013, 14:42 pm
Wouldnt worry too much about Nama1 guys.
He is a deluded moron who is quite happy coming here and claims making false acusations without having the relevant and recent proof to back it up.
6 Mar 2013, 14:44 pm
@Tacitus-160:
” the point that you unilaterally declared the murder of an entire family to be the narrow area of focus here,…”
ONE focus area Tac. Not the only one. I never suggested nor try to suggest that that should be the only area of focus.
I agree with your point re the larger debate.
@The Rangerman-164:
Did I do the research? No.
I’m merely letting you know about some of the findings that an independent research body have found. Don’t blame me for their findings.
Why don’t you ask the researchers about their sample?
Did you know that there is a book written about family murders amongst Afrikaner people? Yes a book just dedicated to this phenomena amongst one section of our population. Why do you think that is?
Afrikaner-gesinsmoord: ‘n ekologie van idees – Sonja Hilda Snyman
@The Rangerman-163:
Well, if Afrikaners are responsible for around 60% of family murders taking place in SA, as some stats are trying to suggest, that would constitute “the most. …No?
6 Mar 2013, 14:45 pm
@Sheriff-171: fark so the other whities been holding out on me?
6 Mar 2013, 14:47 pm
@John Galt-173:
Ahhh…there it is again. The name calling.
Most prevalent among Shark supporters.
Unfortunately I have no stats to back up my claim. It is just a feeling I have.
6 Mar 2013, 14:51 pm
@nama1-176:
Its just a feeling you have?!
Fk me, its getting worse.
Suck it up, you are the only one I disrespect on this site. For good reason.
6 Mar 2013, 14:54 pm
@nama1-174: see now you are being disegenous or actually downright dishonest.
“Well, if Afrikaners are responsible for around 60% of family murders taking place in SA, as some stats are trying to suggest, that would constitute “the most. …No?”
which stats suggest this?
a few studies you found online with extremely limited sample sizes?
no man, you need to up your game.
6 Mar 2013, 14:58 pm
@nama1-176: seriously, 60%?
this because of a study with 11 cases?
i cant stop laughing even though its a serious topic.
so did my exaple of the shangaan tracker bring it down to 58%? 55%?
no nama, you show your hatred even if you dont know it. its like some black people claim they have highly tuned “racist-o-meters” but seeing your agenda doesnt require a highly tuned meter at all
cue: denial
6 Mar 2013, 14:59 pm
Ah, same old same old on here I see
6 Mar 2013, 15:00 pm
@Sheriff-171:
Hell, that group of 2.2m men certainly produces a disproportionate number of world class rugby players, that’s for sure. That’s about the same number of males that you’ll find in New Zealand, and we don’t even have Maoris or Islanders to boost our rugby strength.
Truly amazing.
6 Mar 2013, 15:02 pm
@Tacitus-160:
OK, here are some stats wrt the larger debate to put your mind at ease.
NOTE: This stats are from 1999 and the research was done by the MRC (Medical Research Council).
http://www.mrc.ac.za/policybriefs/woman.pdf
6 Mar 2013, 15:02 pm
@Tacitus-181: Looking at it that way in isolation, also great businessmen and cricketers
6 Mar 2013, 15:04 pm
@nama1-182: Gosh, what are all they coloured okes doing to their women!!
6 Mar 2013, 15:10 pm
@nama1-182:
Now please appologize for blatantly lying in your original statement.
Based on your own stats, the true picture now emerges. (A picture which my simple application of common sense arrived it with remarkable accuracy, even in the absence of these stats.)
According to this estimate, 1349 females were killed by intimate partners in 1999. White males were the perpitrators in only 3.9% of these. That’s 52 out of 1349 cases.
Clearly this country’s gender based violence problem would be solved if only those crazy white Afrikaans Calvinist dudes could be removed, hey…
6 Mar 2013, 15:14 pm
@John Galt-177:
Why? Because I outed you as a bigot?
Don’t make me laugh. I don’t want your respect.
6 Mar 2013, 15:19 pm
@nama1-188: I was wandering why John Galt has such an obsession with you.
@Tacitus-187: Did the males commit suicide after murdering their spouses and children?
6 Mar 2013, 15:20 pm
@John1976-189:
Why is that relevant?
From the stats, it would appear that only 3.8% did, across the racial spectrum. But it’s not very clear.
6 Mar 2013, 15:21 pm
@Tacitus-187: BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
fu k ken OVAAAAAAAAAAA!
sorry nama, nice try but you can go join lulu in the “reflection corner”
6 Mar 2013, 15:23 pm
now 3.9% of cases would probably put white afrikaner males below the average surely?
6 Mar 2013, 15:23 pm
@Tacitus-190: I thought you were initially discussing family murders i.e. whole family killed through the deliberate actions of the wife or husband
6 Mar 2013, 15:26 pm
@The Rangerman-192:
That’s 3.9% for all white males. Who make up 10.9% of the population. So if you are married to a white guy, then according to these stats, you are 3 times LESS likely to be the victim of intimate femicide than the average female in the population.
6 Mar 2013, 15:27 pm
@John1976-193:
We were addressing Lulu’s accusations, and whether they were based in fact or not.
6 Mar 2013, 15:31 pm
{{{ DA accused of Nazism in run-up to poll
Battle lines have been drawn before a by-election in Stellenbosch, with the local civic association accusing the DA and the municipality of “Nazism” and corruption. ….
Battle lines have been drawn before a by-election in Stellenbosch, with the local civic association accusing the DA and the municipality of “Nazism” and corruption.
On Tuesday, the civic association accused the DA of corruption at the municipality in an advertising campaign for its election.
The association’s poster – with the sub-heading “Klink dit bekend” (Does this sound familiar) and a drawing of Nazi leader Adolf Hitler – depicts DA councillors engaged in a teleconference.
In a conversation with Premier Helen Zille, a councillor says the municipality could not cancel contracts with two residents who were the DA’s biggest donors. The poster also carries accusations of corruption and defaulting on tax by the municipality.
The municipality would not comment on the allegations, saying it was taking the campaign “in the spirit of a by-election”. Reid claimed that thousands in rates for friends and relatives of DA councillors were written off without a single payment made.
He said the association’s councillors who serve on the DA-run municipality’s council are gagged from raising questions about those issues. It holds three of 43 seats on the council.
“Those are our concerns. Nazism is still very much alive in Stellenbosch. There is a lot of corruption among DA councillors and their friends.
“All those things are true and can be proven without reasonable doubt. We want to see how many honest (residents) we have in this ward. We want to see how they feel about these things,” Reid said. }}}
Perception,perception, perception among the genuine people is a real slow poison for the DA.
And the DA and the maggot-weight Ramphele’s ‘A’ Gang want changes to the electoral system(to suit their desires)?
Be careful, be very careful for the ANC can easily get back the W.Cape by simply incorporating the E.Cape into the existing W.Cape creating a big again Cape Province. Such ideas are seriously being considered.
Now chew on that dummies, yes you who voted for the DA and at this time opportunistically whip it wrt who funds it(Gupta plus many more).
The sun shines bright on my old, very Capey home.
6 Mar 2013, 15:35 pm
@Tacitus-187:
Oh dear.
Back to the drawing board for Namski.
6 Mar 2013, 15:36 pm
@nama1-188:
Haha, oh my deary me.
Now you have ‘outed’ me.
Just like you have ‘outed’ the afrikaner population in SA as being responsible for most family murders in SA. Hehe.
What a plank.
6 Mar 2013, 15:44 pm
@nama1-188:
Oh and as per Tacs post 187…Sheet just got real for you.
You have now officially been outed as a liar.
Good day sir.
6 Mar 2013, 15:49 pm
@Tacitus-187:
Ai Tac. Wat is dit wat jy nie verstaan nie? Onthou, ek het jou die link gegee vir daai statistiek.
“Spousel murder” en “gesinsmoord” is twee verskillende goed, hoewel albei die moord van ‘n geliefde beteken. Ek het van die begin af oor die een gesels. Ek het vroeer ‘n rede verskaf waarom ek dit doen.
“Gesinsmoord” loop in die meeste gevalle uit op die selfmoord van die persoon nadat hy die ander lede van sy gesin uitgewis het. Partykeer slaag so ‘n persoon nie daarin nie en partykeer begewe sy moed hom.
“Spousel murder” is waar die een party sy/haar intieme maat vermoor sonder enige gedagte om hom-/haarself ook dood te maak.
So, die stats wat ek gebruik het was rondom “gesinsmoord” en was korrek aangehaal uit die bronne op die web.
Jy het nou stats om vir Lulu aan te vat as jy so voel. Moet net nie vergeet wie jou in die rigting van die stats gestuur het nie.
Jislaaikit!!!
@John1976-189:
Ek het hom nou maar in Afrikaans probeer verduidelik. Miskien help dit.
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