No surprises there.

364.BudYza:
9 Mar 2013, 22:34 pm And those who think Elstadt should play 4. Watch this game repeatedly until it sinks through your skulls. Elstadt is a much better 7 than a 4. If he can deliver consistently he has every chance of making the Bok 7 jersey his own.

Then you say that nowhere did you even talk about the Boks but conveniently left out your post 373 in which you clearly stated that to play for the Bokke you measure yourself against 4 players.

373.nama1:
9 Mar 2013, 23:50 pm @BudYza-364:
As a Stormers supporter, I don’t agree.

To play as a 7 for the Bokke, you measure yourself against 4 players imo. If you can measure up to those guys, by all means, then you are the right man for the job.

Gert Smal.
Ruben Kruger
Andre Venter
Juan Smith

You have to be at least close to their class to be considered for that position.

Elstadt still has a long way to go to get there.

Nama1 a lie by omission is still a lie and an outright lie is of course a lie and you have demonstrated you are an honest person.

457.nama1:
10 Mar 2013, 05:14 am @nortierd-456:
Vok hom (Budysa, that is).
He came in here with an agenda and sommer “attack” anyone.

Now that does speak for itself. You’re all class Nama1. Ketchup with those chips?

@BudYza-418:
“Nama1 dont be a fool. Yes, Smal, Kruger, Venter and Smith were the greats of Springbok 7s but to say a player must be compared to them to warrant a being rated is idiocy….”

@nama1-420:
“Look, Elstadt was nowhere last week and the week before. I always try to rate my special players on how they perform when things don’t go well for the team.

Guys like Smith, Venter, Smal, Kruger always got a special mention even when their team did not perform well. Can you say the same about Elstadt?”

@BudYza-460:
“You made an idiotic statement that Elstadt must compare to former greats to warrant his consideration for a Bok place.”

Nowhere did we even talk about the Boks.

It is natural that players will be compared to the greats of the past when they start out. How many times have you read/heard about Hougaardt not being FdP. Etzebeth and v/d Merwe/Kruger were constantly compared to Bakkies and VM. JdV at outside centre to Jaques Fourie.

The main gist of MY comparison was that those players from the past stood out even when their teams played badly. Not so Elstadt in the games vs the Bulls and the Sharks.

When someone is using descriptive words/phrases like:
- “fool”
- “idiotic statement”
- “you are the policeman of this site telling people what they can and cannot say…”
- “Get off your high horse”
- “Your comments on Elstadt were stupid”
- “If you are the official thread Nazi have me censured”
- “Youre being silly…”

…because of a slight difference of opinion, one asks yourself whether he has another agenda. There are ways of putting you difference of opinion across without resorting to the kind of drivel that you did.

Post 460 of course speaks for itself.

Oh yes, lest I be called “oversensitive” (another catch phrase these days) know that I’m not.

The use it once is not working. it gives that opportunity to reset all the time.Just a suggestion?

The thing is that it has been so trained into the Kiwis, and especially the AB’s, that sometimes they cannot stop it even when on a warning. Even with man missing already!

The next challenge is for SA teams to wise up and keep hitting them on their weak spots – maul them into the ground, and let them keep bringing it down, while alerting the ref to their continued infirngements, until only the backs are left to maul with….

The next challenge to the refs is to have the balls to not have pity on them for being a man down, recognise cheating wfor what it is, and keep sending the buggers off, until they man up enough to stop the mauls. They can be stopped with goood technique.

The Kiwi whingeing about mauls is ridiculous – “officialy endorsed obstruction” blah balh. But so is the scrum. Its the laws, and why we play rugby union and not league.

Shame about Taute, need him at the back.

You set down a criteria of Smal, Smit, Kruger and the likes for Elstadt to be measured against, before he could be considered Springbok material.

BudYza’s argument is that if he does not measure up to them does it mean he could not play for the Boks? What if no one measures up to them, does it mean the position would be vacant until someone turns up.

He then went to say does that mean Kirchner measured up to say “Johan Heunis, Andre Joubert (my own examples).

He simply said, ‘NO’, but the the selectors at the time have to choose from what they have in front of them and who in their opinion would fit in best.

He continued by saying that you should use the same criteria for all positions. And based on that assumption your criteria failed.

Sjoe! Now I’m tired. But I hope the air is cleared. Smoke a peace pipe

What a display of wonderful rugby. One of the best games for quite some time.

Well done to Bulls, Sharks and Cheetahs…

A clean sweep against the AB’s…

You said you convinced SA teams are better than NZ teams and that Highlanders and Chiefs gifted SA teams tries.

Chiefs were awesome and showed that a grubber still works. As long as you dont grub straight into your opponent and turn over ball.

My points:
A gifted try is also a mistake, way you look at half full glass.
Shape of the ball, sometimes the bounce is lucky
Which team wants it most

That makes it interesting to watch. What’s good on paper does not necessarily translate into the theory on match day.

The All Blacks were not world champs for a long time, because they were never good enough during the world cup. Although on paper they should have won every match they play.

Give the winner of the day its glory. All these guys work and play hard for it. (you gave recognition, thank you )

And no, can’t say SA teams are the best. Can say, Stormers played more enterprising running rugby and Cheetahs dished it up too. Any running rugby for a Safa is like gold. We have been starved of it.

He came in here with an agenda and sommer “attack” anyone.

Give me a brandy any day. A good one, preferably KWV.

Not a beer lover either. I only drink it when I’m in a pub where the brandy is way to expensive, like R20 a single or something stupid like that.

Seems as if Aplon, Habana and Kolisi had no role to play in the result.

Interesting!!!

What’s your verdict on Jantjies after the benefit of watching the game?