Chiefs cut down courageous Kings
15 Mar 2013
The Chiefs won in Port Elizabeth but the Kings continue to win respect through courage and conviction.
Super Rugby’s 2012 champions were made to fight for the 35-24 bonus point victory and their decision to twice kick for posts in the last three minutes was acknowledgement of the Kings’ effort.
The Chiefs led 18-13 at half-time and stretched the lead to 32-13 on the hour before the Kings produced an inspired 10 minutes to reduce the deficit to just eight points.
Many predicted humiliation for the Kings pre the season and in the last two weekends the Kings have played last season’s finalists and won huge favour with their commitment.
Home ground advantage and the emotion of playing in front of a passionate crowd has aided the Kings, but they really are struggling for quality players and already they have a handful of frontline players to injury.
It didn’t get any better on Friday when stand-in captain Darron Nell got hurt in the warm-up. Lock Steven Sykes took over the captaincy and he also left the field in the 60th minute. The Kings, in three matches, have had three captains. The attrition rate will only get higher for a team who have already won the hearts of the Kiwis and Australian neutrals because of their passion and refusal to be intimidated.
A week ago the Kings kept the 2012 finalists, the Sharks, tryless but they were always going to be stretched against the more creative Chiefs backs, for whom winger Leila Masaga scored a hat-trick.
Chiefs fullback Gareth Anscombe kicked well and Liam Messam celebrated his 100th Super Rugby appearance with victory. But the greatest roar again belonged to teenage winger Sergeal Pietersen who scored through an intercept.
Demetri Catrikilis also impressed as did No 8 Jacques Engelbrecht.
The Kings leave for New Zealand on Sunday and while they will struggle in the month overseas the side has exceeded expectation in the opening month of tournament in beating the Force and losing to the Sharks (by nine points) and the Chiefs (by 11 points).
By Mark Keohane
481 Comments
15 Mar 2013, 17:39 pm
Good luck Kings.
Would love to see Kings win this just doubt they will. So if they stop them getting the bonus point that is job well done.
GO KINGS!
15 Mar 2013, 17:45 pm
Should be a very entertaining match between the Kings, who has suddenly become nearly everybody’s second favourite team, and the Chiefs who are arguably the best attacking team in the competition.
Lets hope the Kings give them hell.
I do however expect the Chiefs to win by at least 20- just too much class – specially in the backline where Cruden and co carry too much fire power for the Kings to contain.
15 Mar 2013, 17:46 pm
****’s about to get real for the Kings tonight.
15 Mar 2013, 17:49 pm
@Tacitus-3:
+1
15 Mar 2013, 17:49 pm
@Robzim-2: Howzit Rob, How you doing? Hope well.
How did Carol go in the Argus? Has she gone back to England or still here in the Cape?
15 Mar 2013, 17:53 pm
Heavy clouds moving in. Looking like rain. May keep the score from reaching triple figures.
15 Mar 2013, 18:00 pm
@Puma-5:
Hi Puma, it is very good to see you back here.
Carol is back in England and unfortunately could not do the Argus due to a logistical stuff up re the arrival of the bike she was going to use (my fault ). She enjoyed SA though and also watched the Stormers /Crusaders game with friends.
Good luck to your team tomorrow, i think they will be too strong for the Brumbies. Hopefully they will also soften them up for next weekend when they play at newlands
15 Mar 2013, 18:00 pm
KINGS’ BOW DOWN TO NO-ONE
15 Mar 2013, 18:02 pm
@Robzim-7:
Srormrers/Crusaders should read Stormers/Chiefs
15 Mar 2013, 18:15 pm
@Tacitus-3:
You’re just jealous that the Bulls aren’t everybody’s second favourite team.
15 Mar 2013, 18:20 pm
@Robzim-7: Thanks Rob, good to be back.
Man that must have been a total bummer for her, training and coming here and not to compete. Shame feel for her. At least she must have been super fit because of the training….
Sounds like she had a great time here though. She comes for such a short time needs to come for longer next time.
I also hope my Sharks beat the Brumbies and send them to the Stormers a bit shattered…..hahaha. They will definitely be sent back to Oz shattered and given to the Bulls to whip after our teams have had them here….hehehe and the travel back. Bulls will be waiting that side rubbing their hands for sure…..
15 Mar 2013, 18:32 pm
@Puma-11:
You are right, it was a huge bummer and she is indeed in the shape of her life. Next year hopefully…
Talking about the Argus, I see Joel Stransky did a 2.57 and finished about 350th/31 000. Its an incredible performance for someone who is nearly 50 and has no real background in cycling. Fark knows how he did it?
Poor Brumbies… it will be like taking candy from kids in Canberra for the Bulls after our teams have soffened them up… Bulls should enjoy Canberra, it is after all Australia’s own version of Pretoria, lol.
15 Mar 2013, 19:03 pm
RESULT (Vodacom Cup): The Leopards XV thrashed the Limpopo Blue Bulls 113-3 in Umzimuhle.
Ouch
15 Mar 2013, 19:05 pm
If Chiefs do not get 5 points here, they may as well as kiss their championship chances goodbye.
I am pretty confident though, they will get their 4 tries before half time.
15 Mar 2013, 19:07 pm
Huge game for the Kings and their confidence before they go on tour
15 Mar 2013, 19:07 pm
@nortierd-13: These are Bullies who aren’t touring now?
15 Mar 2013, 19:07 pm
Let’s see how much Peyper pi$s3d off the Chiefs.
15 Mar 2013, 19:10 pm
@polaris-16:
Lol
Not sure who they are
This Vodacom Cup confuses me
Limpopo is far from Pretoria, but they call themselves Blue Bulls?
Then the Valke lost by 60 odd against the Pumas last week, but beat the Lions tonight
I have no idea what is going on in that tournament:-D
15 Mar 2013, 19:13 pm
@nortierd-18: I have given up trying to understand what VC is. I thought it’s like 2nd division of CC but they already have their own 2nd div.
15 Mar 2013, 19:19 pm
It’s just a marvel to watch the Chiefs create space on the outside for their speedsters. A combination of good defence by the Kings and unforced errors are keeping them out so far.
15 Mar 2013, 19:21 pm
@polaris-19:
It was started during the S12 to give rugby players not involved competition
It pitted the senior players of the smaller non franchise unions like Griquas against the remaining players of the franchises, mostly youngsters and third string players
15 Mar 2013, 19:22 pm
@nama1-20:
I was wondering how long the Kings will manage to hold on
Chiefs doing the same as Sharks last week, almost a combination of white line fever and the first gap is to easy, then they blow the try
15 Mar 2013, 19:23 pm
Bad call by the TMO.
15 Mar 2013, 19:24 pm
@nama1-20: Yes Nama, they can surely spread the ball !! A joy to watch ala the late Bill McClaren!
15 Mar 2013, 19:25 pm
@nortierd-22:
That’s the thing, isn’t it? How long will they be able to keep them out because the Chiefs will keep coming at them all night long.
Here’s hoping for the best for the Kings.
15 Mar 2013, 19:26 pm
@CharlesM-24:
The Kings doing some running of their own now. Good break by the Greek.
15 Mar 2013, 19:27 pm
@nama1-25:
Yep
But the flip side is the game will allow for the Kings to also throw the ball around
Should be nice to watch, already is
15 Mar 2013, 19:29 pm
Got this feeling that the Kings defense just won’t be able to hold on, but…
Go KINGS!
How great would it be if they could knock over the defending champions. Slim chance but would make my whole week again.
15 Mar 2013, 19:29 pm
@victoriabok-21: Thanks bud for clarification. So winning VC has no reflection on participation in CC, as they are entirely different tournaments?
15 Mar 2013, 19:30 pm
Kings players too slow to the break down. Always are outnumbered there. No wonder they can’t get their back line away. The ball is always coming out too slow.
15 Mar 2013, 19:33 pm
Had to come
15 Mar 2013, 19:34 pm
I must say I ridiculed Kings since day one but promised myself never again when I watched their first game vs Force. They certainly aren’t worse than Lions at all, even if Chiefs will thrash them today.
15 Mar 2013, 19:34 pm
Kings defending wayyy too deep there. Cruden ran about 30m without a Kings player in sight.
Should try and shut them down in their own half and not wait for them to get into their 22m area before they make their tackles.
Good try Chiefs.
15 Mar 2013, 19:36 pm
@mamma_lou-8:
Haven’t you read the Magna Carta? Kings must not upset Cjiefs (Barons). lol
15 Mar 2013, 19:36 pm
@Robzim-12: Rob, Had no idea Stransky done the Argus. A very good feat for sure for someone of that age, especially that it is not his sport.
Yip Brumbies will be there for the taking by the Bulls. Two very tough games against Sharks and then Stormers and the travel back. Expect the Bulls to beat them there.
15 Mar 2013, 19:37 pm
@AiDoc-34:
15 Mar 2013, 19:37 pm
@polaris-29:
No it’s just an opportunity for the smaller unions to play while the Super rugby is on otherwise they have to pay players just to train
It’s a good way to expose young players to a higher level as well as the youngsters of the Super franchises must play against senior players and established CC and CC First Division teams, it’s like gladiator school for them
15 Mar 2013, 19:37 pm
@nortierd-31:
Jip, it was inevitable.
Watch Samson, the no. 11, trying to take on the big guys from the Chiefs because he is isolated every time he receives the ball. I can’t see him coming out as the winner.
15 Mar 2013, 19:37 pm
With the injuries starting, the Kings are really going to battle! With no real depth they are going to be in serious trouble
15 Mar 2013, 19:37 pm
Come on Kings!
15 Mar 2013, 19:38 pm
Yepp thats how you dish it out!!! felt THE GREEK’S hit on Williams from up here@!!
BOOM!! baby!!
15 Mar 2013, 19:39 pm
Nearly Kings!!! So close.
15 Mar 2013, 19:41 pm
@Puma-35: As far as I can recall Joel has done the Cape Epic – anybody completing the Epic has to be more than a “weekend cycler”!!
15 Mar 2013, 19:41 pm
The Kiwis are a little more physical this week. I hope this is good as it is 0340 here and bed beckons.
15 Mar 2013, 19:42 pm
@victoriabok-37: Thanks again, now I see the light.
15 Mar 2013, 19:43 pm
@victoriabok-37:
VB
It may have been initially, but the Varsity Cup has a much higher standard than the VCR
Maybe I’m being unfair just because the TV games so far has been really pathetic, but from what I’ve seen so far it’s not worth watching
15 Mar 2013, 19:43 pm
The umpteenth time that I see a Chiefs tackler playing towards the ball without releasing the tackled player completely ie no daylight before he goes for the ball.
15 Mar 2013, 19:43 pm
Very brave heads up head on rugby by Kings playing way above all the naysayers premature predictions
15 Mar 2013, 19:45 pm
Given the ref’s explanation why is it a penalty?
15 Mar 2013, 19:46 pm
A forward pass somewhere there from where I’m sitting.
15 Mar 2013, 19:46 pm
What a neat try.
15 Mar 2013, 19:46 pm
Geez, the Chiefs mean business
They can cut anyone to pieces with ball in hand
15 Mar 2013, 19:47 pm
2 forward passes… No try
15 Mar 2013, 19:48 pm
Forward Forward and Forwaard!! wow what a brave brave call………………
15 Mar 2013, 19:48 pm
2 shocking calls by the tmo…. Disgraceful stuff… Wtf …
15 Mar 2013, 19:48 pm
Fark, fwd pass but well spotted. Beautiful try that never was.
15 Mar 2013, 19:48 pm
@nortierd-46:
The Varsity cup is higher profile so they probably get the best young players and the rest goes to the Vodacom teams
15 Mar 2013, 19:48 pm
Ouch, awarded? Fark, wtf TMOs are for?
15 Mar 2013, 19:49 pm
RSA TMO!
15 Mar 2013, 19:49 pm
@suffer_guy-53: Another TMO blunder!
15 Mar 2013, 19:49 pm
Williams to Cruden is forward and then the return pass from Cruden to Williams.
The 1st one is maybe difficult too see but the 2nd one the 22m line is a guide. Cruden pass the ball while he is outside of the 22m and Williams catches it inside the 22m line.
15 Mar 2013, 19:49 pm
More guts and courage in this no name Kings outfit than in all the big bucks bonanza rip off artificially bloated collection of mercenary humping teams in the soccer playing metropolitan centres of Thekwini and Tswane
15 Mar 2013, 19:49 pm
Johann Meuwesen say goodbye to your job.
What a farkwit.
I suppose that is what the Chiefs need to win.
15 Mar 2013, 19:50 pm
2nd mistake by the TMO.
15 Mar 2013, 19:50 pm
@nama1-61: Agree, 2nd pass was clearly fwd, 1st looked ok if marginally.
15 Mar 2013, 19:51 pm
TMO Meeuwesen: the SARU Cabal must’ve given him & Japhta very specific instructions
15 Mar 2013, 19:51 pm
@skopdiekan-62:
Is any of that drivel really needed?
Home town refs eh? Wait a second…
15 Mar 2013, 19:51 pm
Nat n@@i wiliams never passes
15 Mar 2013, 19:51 pm
The Greek has really improved in leaps and bounds- a year ago he had no appetite for tackling- that is one of the reasons why AC never used to back him and had him at flyhalf no 5 or 6 in the Stormers pecking order. If he stayed he probably would have been number 2 today behind Jantjes- he is certainly streets ahead of Peter Grant in just about every aspect of the game.
It is going to be a long second half for the Kings.
15 Mar 2013, 19:51 pm
@skopdiekan-62:
Hey, Los vir Pretoria
Steve Hofmeyr gaan jou moer as hy uitvind jy noem dit Tswane
15 Mar 2013, 19:51 pm
Every call is a rubbish call according to Bob the ***.
15 Mar 2013, 19:51 pm
Is this TMO drunk??how do you miss two forward passes?
15 Mar 2013, 19:52 pm
It is very difficult to pick up forward passes on the box because of the parallax problem. Check out the slope of the lines of the 22 and you will see that the ball, although appearing to go forward, did not.
15 Mar 2013, 19:52 pm
Blind TMO, Masaga was in touch.
WOW these officials are useless.
15 Mar 2013, 19:52 pm
Looking like the TMO plus the other officials out stuff the Kings momentum and resolve to kingdom come already in first half
15 Mar 2013, 19:52 pm
Great, great defence by the Kings.
15 Mar 2013, 19:53 pm
@skopdiekan-62: Ag jou knaters man
15 Mar 2013, 19:53 pm
@AiDoc-73:
Huh?
Is jy ook gesuip?
15 Mar 2013, 19:54 pm
@Angostura-66:
Halo Hondo.
15 Mar 2013, 19:54 pm
The Chiefs are astounded at that decision. The Kings player knocks on and then gets the loose-head feed.
15 Mar 2013, 19:54 pm
Both passes may have floated forward with momentum as most passes do but both were flat or backwards out of the hand.
Massive defence. Is it sustainable?
15 Mar 2013, 19:54 pm
That try by the Chiefs should never ever been allowed. Two forward passes that that the useless tmo can’t see and allows the try. USELESS if we have a tmo that do his job. Last week agains the Sharks it was so marginal the forward pass and it was not allowed these two passes was way way forward and the try is allowed. Almost speechless by that decision to allow the try.
15 Mar 2013, 19:55 pm
@Puma-82: Should read – Usless if we have a tmo that CANT do his job.
15 Mar 2013, 19:55 pm
tin bu dong
15 Mar 2013, 19:56 pm
If I were Alan Solomons, I’d be through the farkin roof.
Half has been pretty much equal. Chiefs haven’t been significantly better and have benefited from poor officiating. Shocking officiating actually.
What the hell is Meuwesen paid for?
Time they start fining the officials. He doesn’t deserve a penny for his work today.
15 Mar 2013, 19:56 pm
If the Kings can keep them out for the last three minutes, they can come back after halftime more rejuvenated. But I fear if The Chiefs score now, the 2nd half would be one way traffic.
15 Mar 2013, 19:56 pm
@AiDoc-73:
Parallax?
Thought it was an Afrikaans term for a lazy prostitute
15 Mar 2013, 19:57 pm
SERGEALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
15 Mar 2013, 19:57 pm
Mooi my b…..
15 Mar 2013, 19:57 pm
@John Galt-81: Thank you for educated rugby viewers. Well spotted. Boks lost a game to the Aussies in the same manner a couple of years back.
15 Mar 2013, 19:57 pm
@John Galt-81:
No, they weren’t. They were forward.
There we go KINGS!!! Back in it.
15 Mar 2013, 19:57 pm
Sergeaaaalllll!!!!
15 Mar 2013, 19:57 pm
SERGEAL!!!!What a boytjie
15 Mar 2013, 19:58 pm
@skopdiekan-62:
> metropolitan centres of Thekwini and Tswane
And more guts than found in the metros-exual // Hui! Gaeb
15 Mar 2013, 19:58 pm
Live by the sword, die by the sword
Danger of Chiefs rugby
Well done Seargal
15 Mar 2013, 19:58 pm
Speedster!! Thats justice after the pathetic call by the TMO
15 Mar 2013, 19:58 pm
Wtf? Why do all good teams start playing utterly sh*t rugby as soon as they set foor in PE?
15 Mar 2013, 19:59 pm
Man how can a tmo get it so wrong when he has the damn screen right in front of him to look over and over? Not acceptable that at all.
15 Mar 2013, 19:59 pm
@nortierd-87: Bwahahahahaha. Dis kak snaaks!!!!!!
15 Mar 2013, 19:59 pm
@nama1-76: TRY!!!!
SARU may’ve planned for the Kings to fail, but they don’t know the script – they’ve planned to succeed
15 Mar 2013, 19:59 pm
Perfect f ‘ng Justice. Now just stuff all these BullShitters and Sharkishits anti Kings sentimental naysayers in their glory hallelujah’s second half.
15 Mar 2013, 19:59 pm
What a lift of their spirits for the Kings just before half time.
Who would’ve thought? The Kings within reach of the Chiefs at half time.
15 Mar 2013, 20:00 pm
Any passes that have floated forward = forward pass.
Why is it different in this game?
It’s not. Meuwesen is just a d00s.
GO KINGS!
15 Mar 2013, 20:00 pm
@John Galt-81: Both passes were forward. Useless tmo getting it wrong. Try should never have been allowed for the Chiefs.
15 Mar 2013, 20:00 pm
The Chiefs ever dropped as many balls in a single game?
15 Mar 2013, 20:00 pm
Yes please, what a counter punch perfect momentum shift before half time!! GO KINGS!!
15 Mar 2013, 20:00 pm
GO KINGS GO!
15 Mar 2013, 20:00 pm
20 april …. Ep kings 23 – bulls 16
15 Mar 2013, 20:01 pm
Eight points gifted to the Chiefs,Kings should have the half-time lead
15 Mar 2013, 20:02 pm
@suffer_guy-89:
Gedra jou…
15 Mar 2013, 20:02 pm
@Tacitus-105: Yes against the Sharks at the Tank last year. SBW was terrible that day, had so many handling errors. In Durban it was due to the humidity though. Could be humid in PE as well have no idea how the weather is there, humid wise tonight.
15 Mar 2013, 20:02 pm
Eight points gifted to the Chiefs
Kings should have the half-time lead
15 Mar 2013, 20:03 pm
@Ashraf Ismail-109: For sure agree. Tmo should get dropped after that.
15 Mar 2013, 20:03 pm
@Tacitus-97:
Have to give the Kings credit.
They haven’t got (m)any worth raving about, but they play good rugby.
Sure as heck wouldn’t pick any of them for the Springboks on pure ability, but as a team they are impressive considering the situation they find themselves in.
No regrets waking up for this game. Come on Kings, give us a big 2nd half!!!
15 Mar 2013, 20:03 pm
@Tacitus-105:
Pressure…pressure…pressure.
Great defensive pressure by the Kings.
15 Mar 2013, 20:03 pm
yesses meuwesen!!!!
15 Mar 2013, 20:04 pm
@hendrikp-114: Good post agree.
15 Mar 2013, 20:04 pm
HELIOS this GREEK can JOL!!
15 Mar 2013, 20:05 pm
@Transformation-116: Enjoying your team tonight Transie. They were hard done by the useless tmo. Chiefs should never ever have been awarded that try.
Go Kings!
15 Mar 2013, 20:05 pm
@Ashraf Ismail-112:
Absolutely!!!
15 Mar 2013, 20:05 pm
@Ashraf Ismail-112:
Butterfly effect… It would be a completely different game had the right calls been made. Chiefs might have had a couple of break-outs and be leading by a bucketload if the right calls were made… who knows.
Still doesn’t make you any happier knowing how incompetent those officials are though hey.
15 Mar 2013, 20:05 pm
Us “sharkshits” are supporting the Kings tonight… But hey… Whatever tickles your fanny skop…
15 Mar 2013, 20:05 pm
@Captain Sam Vimes-118: Yip said so today. He is a very very good fh with bmt to boot.
15 Mar 2013, 20:05 pm
@hendrikp-103: Floating can be caused by momentum of the player moving forward. Kom nou Hendrik jy is slimmer as dit
15 Mar 2013, 20:06 pm
Do you think Transie found his seat?
15 Mar 2013, 20:06 pm
@Captain Sam Vimes-118:
MoM for the Kings so far.
15 Mar 2013, 20:07 pm
Well played so far Kings. The tackle ratio might become a challenge in the 2nd half. The Kings have to be absolutely exhausted already. Chiefs not a good side to get tired against. They can score lots of tries in a very short time.
Go Kings ! An upset here would mean a lot to the South African contenders !
15 Mar 2013, 20:07 pm
@skopdiekan-101: Al jou kakhuise afgeteken deur die voorman voorvelletjie?
15 Mar 2013, 20:08 pm
i nearly moered an all black supporter who was on my sit hehehe
15 Mar 2013, 20:08 pm
The Chiefs manipulate defenses so well. Kings need to try and slow their ball down a bit before they begin to run away with it.
15 Mar 2013, 20:09 pm
Awesome stadium. Glad it got used for something !
15 Mar 2013, 20:09 pm
So will the ref refer every try now to the TMO?
15 Mar 2013, 20:09 pm
@Puma-123: yep thoroughly impressed me as he did in the final of cc against your Sharks, that hit he put in on Nanai Williams was Lem like, run pass and kick and if he makes hits like this, then this kids gotta be a possible Bok bolter.
15 Mar 2013, 20:09 pm
@Transformation-129: Goeie werk!!!!!!
15 Mar 2013, 20:09 pm
Meeuwesen & Japhta = SARU lackeys
His Masters’ Voice
15 Mar 2013, 20:09 pm
Transformation… What is the all black supporter doing in kwanabuhle?
15 Mar 2013, 20:10 pm
The problem is the Chiefs wanting to run everything at the Kings. The Bulls will come here, kick for field position, drive from line outs, maul it up and break the Kings in the hard way before taking it wide.
The Chiefs’ expansive approach just plays into the Kings spoiling defensive approach.
15 Mar 2013, 20:10 pm
The Greek doing well his clearance kicks are great compared to pop gun Peter Grant and Joe Pietersen pity he left the Cape,would gladly welcome him back to the Stormers with open arms.
15 Mar 2013, 20:10 pm
On current form Catrakillis leaves Lambie pamby plus Jantjies eating his dust and I reckon he’s ahead of Steyn and Goosen in terms of all rounded gutsy courage and total game contribution. Best 10 in the country so far without a hint of any lacking confidence whatsoever
15 Mar 2013, 20:11 pm
People always come up with this “momentum” thing when discussing a forward pass when they are neutral. Until their team lose because the opponents score the winning try in the last minute from a “forward pass” due to momentum. Then all of a sudden that “momentum” thing is just plain kak and a forward pass is a forward pass, finish and klaar.
15 Mar 2013, 20:11 pm
The Greek doing well his clearance kicks are great compared to pop gun Peter Grant and Joe Pietersen pity he left the Cape.Would gladly welcome him back to the Stormers with open arms.
15 Mar 2013, 20:11 pm
How can dale steyn made 0 from 16 balls in a 44 over game….
15 Mar 2013, 20:12 pm
As much as I would like the Kings to win this game everybody claiming the tmo is an idiot for allowing forward passes don’t know their rugby rules……tmo’s nowadays when looking at forward passes are looking at the hands only, they don’t care about the floating of the ball. And in both cases referred to the hands were not pointed in a forward direction hence the call not forward.
Kings can be glad Chief’s have shocking handling tonight….they really Ar
15 Mar 2013, 20:13 pm
Chiefs handling is shockingly poor. Did Maku rub his head on the ball ?
15 Mar 2013, 20:13 pm
@Tacitus-137:
Absolutely
Treat them with some respect, don’t get white line fever and show patience.
@suffer_guy-142:
Also thought the same thing.
Then he got so angry after being bowled he hit his pads….. But missed
15 Mar 2013, 20:13 pm
@nama1-140: Whether fwd pass is indeed a fwd pass fully depends on point of view. I would love to see forum reaction, if copy&paste-wise Sharkies score tomorrow and it is not awarded.
15 Mar 2013, 20:14 pm
@skopdiekan-139: Oh my fark…..it starts……
15 Mar 2013, 20:14 pm
First Griekie mistake wrong time to miss touch
15 Mar 2013, 20:15 pm
@Transformation-129: sterkte vir die game
15 Mar 2013, 20:16 pm
@skopdiekan-139: Springbok flyhalf right now is Morne Steyn without a doubt. The rest are all clumped together in a group of mediocrity way, way below him.
15 Mar 2013, 20:17 pm
Chiefs are rattled. They did not expect this kind of contest from the Kings.
Just keep it up Kings.
15 Mar 2013, 20:17 pm
Chiefs playing really kak tonight.
15 Mar 2013, 20:18 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-124:
So that would make it a forward pass?
I understand what you are saying but I find it difficult to justify those.
At what stage does it then become a forward pass? As long as the player is moving forward it isn’t?
15 Mar 2013, 20:18 pm
@Tacitus-152:
How do you rate the Kings game so far?
15 Mar 2013, 20:19 pm
Please dont ask the tmo
15 Mar 2013, 20:19 pm
@skopdiekan-139:
If Bakkies is far from a computer his ears will be burning now
He will come in all guns blazing when he sees that comment….as well as the anti ref and cheating Chiefs comments
15 Mar 2013, 20:20 pm
Kings are surprisingly good defensively. That’s about all I can say about them. Well coached, clearly.
15 Mar 2013, 20:21 pm
@hendrikp-153: Hendrik my span het al paar games so verloor waar ek die ****** dak wil afbreek. Kyk na die speler se hande, solank dit agtertoe of reguit sywaarts toe beweeg is dit n legal pass. Stem ook nie saam maar ek was al n paar keer aan die verkeerde kant van die snotklap
15 Mar 2013, 20:21 pm
that lad is a very defender
**
sigh: try Chiefs, well deserved this time
15 Mar 2013, 20:22 pm
Klaar moeg…..Solly – bring on the replacements now already boet……Cheifs just played with these okes like a cat with a mouse……made them lekker tired, now its time to eat…….
15 Mar 2013, 20:22 pm
It had to come.
@Tacitus-157:
What do you make of the pack?
15 Mar 2013, 20:22 pm
Chiefs can also score up-the-jumper tries.
15 Mar 2013, 20:22 pm
I support the kings… But… They will be moered overseas… Its easy defending for 80 mins in front of 40 000 fans… Different story in a foreign country, no hot water, k@k food, poor cannibals all over, jet lag etc…
15 Mar 2013, 20:22 pm
The Chiefs aren’t as good as their reputation makes them out to be.
15 Mar 2013, 20:23 pm
@Angostura-159: that lad Sergeal is a very brave defender
15 Mar 2013, 20:23 pm
Chiefs to bring on whoopass right about now
15 Mar 2013, 20:24 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-166: Nou sit die kak wit in die blom
15 Mar 2013, 20:24 pm
Bonus point try.
Masaga!!! Hat trick.
15 Mar 2013, 20:24 pm
Ja…..hier kom groot kak nou……..welcome to Super rugby Kings. First you have had to play this season.
15 Mar 2013, 20:24 pm
And razzle dazzle tries too!
15 Mar 2013, 20:24 pm
Gonna be a Cricket score
15 Mar 2013, 20:24 pm
Like I said last time
The no names are impresive
Good for them
Will be nice if some Kings players get bok mention (atleast bok kamp)
sorry Trans and Grant. No Luke
But Chiehs to win
15 Mar 2013, 20:25 pm
@Tacitus-164:
???
15 Mar 2013, 20:25 pm
Floodgates begin to open.
Not the end of the world. Kings show they can play.
15 Mar 2013, 20:25 pm
Bonus point job well done. Shame it involved a controversy, even if it is a local TMO’s brain explosion, so can’t blame them.
15 Mar 2013, 20:25 pm
Farksakes die mannetjie skop n dooie jakkals aan die draf……..
15 Mar 2013, 20:25 pm
Chiefs are so poor tonight but the Kings deserve respect for the way they’ve played thus far in the tournament.
15 Mar 2013, 20:27 pm
Not only are the Kings moeg from all those tackles in the first half, but their replacements are pretty kak. Double disaster…….
15 Mar 2013, 20:28 pm
That weird looking chinaman new zeelander isnt having his best of games
15 Mar 2013, 20:29 pm
I remember Masaga doing that kak dance of his at the Loftus final in 2009 after his opening try.
It seemed to piss the Bulls off, because after that they dished up a 61-17 snotklap. I was at the game, and again at the airport the next day when the Chiefs were also waiting for their flight home.
Seldom have I seen such a dejected bunch of giants hanging around in an airport terminal. Was something to behold.
15 Mar 2013, 20:29 pm
Ok sergial cant play soccer …
15 Mar 2013, 20:29 pm
Nearly Again for Sergeal.
15 Mar 2013, 20:29 pm
Haauw…darrie bal is nie die rond….hy gaan nie reguit…..hoekom…..
15 Mar 2013, 20:30 pm
As talented Petersen is, he ain’t Messi.
15 Mar 2013, 20:30 pm
Esh…was going to check the web for a live stream but seems not worth it with the PE boys getting pomped…
15 Mar 2013, 20:31 pm
@Dusky-169:
So, the Sharks didn’t make them play last week?
15 Mar 2013, 20:32 pm
Esh…was going to check the web for a live stream but seems not worth it with the PE boys getting pomped.
15 Mar 2013, 20:32 pm
@Tacitus-164:
I disagree with that Tac
The Chiefs are the real deal
These guys are a well balanced team who produce home and away
They are a class act IMO
15 Mar 2013, 20:33 pm
Give a penalty try……
15 Mar 2013, 20:33 pm
Howzet manna
15 Mar 2013, 20:33 pm
If this was the Lions the score would’ve been 60-13 by now.
No floodgates or “pomping” to speak of at this stage.
Here come the Kings.
15 Mar 2013, 20:34 pm
Nice
15 Mar 2013, 20:34 pm
Other S15 might not be afraid of the kings but I’m sure the Lions are starting to worry
15 Mar 2013, 20:34 pm
@nama1-186: Nope. The Sharks were useless last week. You know that as well as I do.
15 Mar 2013, 20:34 pm
i think the myth of NZ rugby superiority has been blown well and truly out of the water tonight.
take away their filthy cheating and you see them for whay they are…
ordinary
15 Mar 2013, 20:34 pm
@SWABok-187:
http://www.vipbox.tv/rugby/129281/1/super-rugby:-southern-kings-vs-waikato-chiefs-live-stream-online.html
15 Mar 2013, 20:35 pm
Sofar, vs Chiefs the Kings have conceded exactly the same number of tries as Stormers (even including that TMO’s debacle) and scored just one less.
15 Mar 2013, 20:35 pm
TRYYYYYYY KINGS.
32-18 in the 60th minute and people are talking about “floodgates” and the kings getting “pomped.”
Kale kak.
15 Mar 2013, 20:35 pm
@nama1-186: If the Sharks play like that again, they will take 50 from the Brumbies.
15 Mar 2013, 20:36 pm
basically it comes down to the referees willingness to prove to them that they are in fact just that.
15 Mar 2013, 20:36 pm
**** bob skinstad is a wanker of a commentator he’s got a fckn crush on the chiefs, praising their illegal play
15 Mar 2013, 20:36 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-195: TMO is a Saffa. I know, he just got confused and thought it’s the ABs playing in black, so the oppo needs helping hand.
15 Mar 2013, 20:37 pm
Nama, I think most of us are hoping on the Kings boet. Just finding a whole lot of dodgy kak websites with flash ads all over the screen…looks like crictime is a good option to watch the odi.
15 Mar 2013, 20:38 pm
@polaris-197:
That’s one way of looking at it, I guess.
Will they be able to do a Stormers on them and beat them?
I hope so.
15 Mar 2013, 20:38 pm
filthy filthy kiwis
15 Mar 2013, 20:38 pm
Give another yellow. Another penalty in the red zone ! Flippin cheating Kiwis.
15 Mar 2013, 20:39 pm
@polaris-202: very on point mmmmm
15 Mar 2013, 20:39 pm
Good decision taking the points, cappie.
15 Mar 2013, 20:40 pm
@polaris-202:
they are disgustingly dirty, these kiwis.
15 Mar 2013, 20:41 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-200:
Are you watching the game? The Bulls are not playing.
15 Mar 2013, 20:42 pm
Wtf man…….why did the rest of the backline hang back like that ?
15 Mar 2013, 20:42 pm
Maku jou p……
15 Mar 2013, 20:43 pm
That’s what happens when a prop passes the ball to a hooker in the back line.
15 Mar 2013, 20:43 pm
Peterson the next Breyton Paulse, only good thing to come from this Kings season
15 Mar 2013, 20:43 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-209: Ahem … I am not sure the man who is one of the most hard-boiled players in this generation, will appreciate the fact that his name is being wown by the oke who squeals 24/7/365 like a sissy.
15 Mar 2013, 20:44 pm
@SWABok-185:
http://www.vipboxsports.me/rugby/129281/1/super-rugby:-southern-kings-vs-waikato-chiefs-live-stream-online.html
15 Mar 2013, 20:44 pm
@14261774-214: He has missed a whole boat load of tackles dude. Keep it real.
15 Mar 2013, 20:44 pm
@suffer_guy-212:
Maybe you can blame the passer also.
Oh wait…you’re not going to do that, are you?
15 Mar 2013, 20:44 pm
@nama1-210:
ag i thought i’d just catch a bit of the 2nd half, Nama
see if the refs are man enough to deal with these dogs.
15 Mar 2013, 20:45 pm
@nama1-210: I am not sure he ever watches, as the same old wailing comes over and over ad nauseam, no matter who plays who.
15 Mar 2013, 20:45 pm
Off topic
Tac. Keo says he’s a bulls fan. Do you believe him?
I remember after a win by the bulls (be it SR final ’07 or CC final).
A reporter asked HM how he inspired the players.
HM said he printed keos’ articles and pasted it on the walls for the players to read.
All the negative shiate did work.
15 Mar 2013, 20:45 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-209: bakkies
how do you like Meeuwie the Gorgeous?
15 Mar 2013, 20:46 pm
no yellow card and the kiwi feigns ‘confusion’ as to why the ref would blow his whistle
15 Mar 2013, 20:46 pm
Pale toe.
Am I imagining it or are the Kings getting stronger or are the Chiefs just protecting their lead. A dangerous tactic with about 10 minutes to go if that is the case.
15 Mar 2013, 20:48 pm
@polaris-215:
i call it like it is, Polaris
nothing more nothing less…
15 Mar 2013, 20:48 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-219:
You should’ve watched the whole game man. Maybe it was just your aura that the Kings need to beat the Kiwis.
15 Mar 2013, 20:49 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-219:
Jissie Bakkies
Filthy, dirty, cheating and dogs
Seriously?
These guys came to play and they throw the ball around the way we all wish our teams will do
I haven’t seen them head butt a player from behind or pray before trying to maim an opponent
15 Mar 2013, 20:50 pm
Come on Kings just do it.
They have played well tonight and strictly speaking Kings should only be on 22 points now. They got a try that should never have been given and the penalty that the Greek was supposed to have given away by tackling the player without the ball at the start was not a penalty as Kings fh was already in the tackle. Kings would have been in the lead here. Very proud of the Kings tonight, they have won the hearts of all of us.
GO KINGS GO!
15 Mar 2013, 20:50 pm
@Puma-228: Sorry should read – Chiefs should only be on 22 points now.
15 Mar 2013, 20:51 pm
@polaris-220:
15 Mar 2013, 20:52 pm
Chiefs going for poles!!!!
15 Mar 2013, 20:52 pm
@Angostura-222:
you’ll have to fill me in please, Angostura
i didn’t watched the first half
what did he do?
15 Mar 2013, 20:53 pm
This ref is playing 2009/10 rules at the break down.
15 Mar 2013, 20:54 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-223: whenever you go the cheating Kiwis, you can now know The Atlas backs you
15 Mar 2013, 20:54 pm
The secret to using vipbox is patience. You gotta let the the pop ups and banners become closeable and wait for the maximise screen option to become available. I use it all the time for all sport and it is great.
CAMAAAAN KIIINGS!
15 Mar 2013, 20:55 pm
@nama1-226:
fark you’re right Nama
i didn’t watch any of the games except the Bulls last weekend and look how that turned out.
i think i jinxed the Kings.
@nortierd-227:
hehehe
and this is me being diplomatic, Nortie
15 Mar 2013, 20:55 pm
@Atlas-221:
Don’t know but he did hype up the Stormers and trash the Bulls back in 2005, and they did use his articles to motivate them
It worked and we won 74-14
15 Mar 2013, 20:56 pm
**** ref!!!!!!! This ref is hond sh*t my word! Peterson on the ground not being released in front of him….
15 Mar 2013, 20:56 pm
@nama1-226:
i’m saying i should not have watched this game live, even if was just the 2nd half.
15 Mar 2013, 20:57 pm
Thiefs of side die hele dag
15 Mar 2013, 20:57 pm
Well played Kings. Still waiting for the pastings we were told of.
15 Mar 2013, 20:58 pm
@Puma-228:
Yep, and 90% of the bloggers here and on other sites swore that they’d support any team playing against them, and that they’d be an embarrassment.
15 Mar 2013, 20:58 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-225: Exactly Bakkies, I did not even imply anything else.
15 Mar 2013, 20:58 pm
@Atlas-234:
absolutely, boet
the longer they are allowed to get away with this the more obvious it becomes.
emporers clothes and all that.
15 Mar 2013, 20:58 pm
Score much much closer than I thought
Chiefs basically stopped worrying after they got the 4 th try
Mission accomplished and job done
15 Mar 2013, 20:59 pm
Bravely fought Kings.
What happened with the two international player limit?
Four on the field – 2x Argentina, 1x NZ, 1x Kenia
15 Mar 2013, 21:00 pm
@polaris-243:
thanks Polaris, you’re too kind.
15 Mar 2013, 21:00 pm
Fantastic game of rugga’s Kings punched way above their weight, hold your heads up boys, Chiefs girted ten points in this game but were the better side, Kings show this much grit in some other games and they are going to be winners at the racecourse!! the GREEK continues to impress me.
15 Mar 2013, 21:01 pm
undeserved victory to a dirty side
screw em
well done Kings
15 Mar 2013, 21:02 pm
Congratulations Chiefs. Going away with 7 points from SA. A very good return for your effort.
Well played Kings. You have now played the two finalists of 2012 and have not been disgraced at all. In fact, you gave both of them (and their supporters) a big fright.
Pity you did not play some of the weaker teams on your home ground before the inevitable injuries start to hit your camp.
Hope your tour goes well.
15 Mar 2013, 21:02 pm
The reef ghavew a penalty for numbers in the line-out. Wasn’t that rule scrapped before the RWC Lottery? Chiefs happy to take the kick.
15 Mar 2013, 21:02 pm
@Dusky-131: It’s also the home ground of Maritzburg United FC now.
15 Mar 2013, 21:02 pm
The Kings are honestly inspirational beyond belief. I know I say the same thing every week, but they are.
And each and every member of that squad deserves applause.
Very cool to see the haters quiet……….very cool indeed.
(And HG and co….don’t bother ‘supporting’ the Kings now…….)
15 Mar 2013, 21:02 pm
Well played Kings!
The next part will get very tough though! I don’t know how many guys have in fact toured overseas: not an easy assignment to put it mildly!
Good luck Kings!
15 Mar 2013, 21:03 pm
Well, say what you will – the Kings surprise on the upside again, & they make South Africa proud
Sorry for some (they know who the are): No defence only (but in fact 2 tries scored against the champs), no floodgates opening, no cricket score, & no s_hit that got real (except maybe for them, the naysayers), just real grit, blood & guts …
One simply has to admire (& respect) these Kings
15 Mar 2013, 21:03 pm
The kings proving that the lions should never return to super rugby
15 Mar 2013, 21:04 pm
Well done Kings. That was terrific from the PE boys. They have totally won my heart over and after that game have huge respect for them. To think if the tmo never gifted the Chiefs a try and gifted them a penalty against the Greek they would only have had 25 points. Would still have won but it puts into perspective how very very good the Kings were out there tonight. They should have only won by one point.
WELL DONE KINGS. Wish you all the very best for your tour. That was a bloody good performance tonight very proud of the PE boys.
15 Mar 2013, 21:04 pm
Well played Kings. Would have been nice to get a bonus point or two from the last couple of weeks though.
15 Mar 2013, 21:04 pm
Great game,
Kings about 2 or 3 good players away from being a strong outfit.
Have to credit Cheifs for win and scoring 4 tries but feel Kings were sloppy in lineouts, ball retention and made a few silly mistakes which will hopefully go with the more experience they get.
Believe they can beat the Bulls, Rebels, And a few other teams this season.
Very nice to see a competitive game with good tackling. As I said few errors both team but that is to be expected with a new team in wet conditions.
Petersen, Engelbrecht, Du Preez & Catrakilis the stand outs.
One note: please get forwards out of the backline, that was a big difference between the 2 sides.
All the best to all the teams playing world wide tomorrow.
15 Mar 2013, 21:05 pm
Sykes is a big lock option for the Boks, and maybe Wimpie Van Der Walt.
15 Mar 2013, 21:06 pm
@King dingeling-256: I don’t agree with that. There is place for both teams after 2015. Unfair to say that really. Lions last year had about 8 or so injuries to players for long periods of last years Super Rugby.
Anyhow that is all in the past. Kings were superb tonight. Very proud of them.
15 Mar 2013, 21:07 pm
@Rhys7-260: Sykes has always been great, just always overlooked by the Bok selectors. Have no idea why.
15 Mar 2013, 21:07 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-244: you got your first disciple
.
That more oggend?
15 Mar 2013, 21:08 pm
@Angostura-255: Agree, good post. They deserve respect for their performances thus far.
15 Mar 2013, 21:09 pm
just have to do it cause well he’s Greek innit…………….the Kings pushing the SR champions and losing finalists that hard, its madness …………………no New Zealander THIS IS SPARTA!!!!
15 Mar 2013, 21:10 pm
@Puma-261:
What was the Lions’ excuse the year before…and the year before…and the year before Puma?
Also injured players?
Anybody know what the attendance figure was tonight. Did the Kings cracked the 100 000th mark after their 1st three games?
15 Mar 2013, 21:13 pm
@Puma-261: I agree on the injuries, so take last year out of the equation. With all due respect…. in all of those years in the competition the lions have never played the time of rugby the kings are dishing out and pushing let’s say the saders this close. The lions have failed with flying colors
15 Mar 2013, 21:13 pm
@Atlas-263: chat more oggend
15 Mar 2013, 21:15 pm
Okay I am out of here.
Transie you have a beer or two on me tonight boet. Your team has done you very proud and made the whole of sa proud tonight. Score should have been far closer had the tmo not gifted the Chiefs a try and also a gifted penalty to them against your fh at the start. Chiefs should only have won by one point. It was that close. Kings were great out there. Wish them all the best for their tour.
15 Mar 2013, 21:15 pm
100 points
Still waiting …..
15 Mar 2013, 21:15 pm
Jeez I wish the Cheetahs could get a crowd attendance like the Kings have had in their first 3 games. Great support.
15 Mar 2013, 21:16 pm
Okay cheers everyone. Catch up tomorrow.
Go Bulls go get em Saders!
15 Mar 2013, 21:17 pm
@Atlas-263:
hehehe
ja tune in tomorrow morning hopefully the Bulls will overcome the dirt by blowing them clean out the water and taking the refs right out of the equation.
i dont expect it to happen but one can still hope.
we’ve got a four man tag team of pure dirt in control of the whistle with Vinny Munro (yes, THAT Vinny Munro) and Kane Mcbride featuring in there.
15 Mar 2013, 21:17 pm
Kings play: Saders, Canes, Brumbies and Rebels on their tour.
They’ll struggle to get a point in NZ but hopefully the Bulls will soften up the Brumbies enough for them to come away with a bonus point. Solomons will probably target the Rebels match for a win.
It’s doable imo.
15 Mar 2013, 21:17 pm
@Cheetahs01-271: Absolutely. The crowd really does pull your team huge. Think that the Cheets have done well away from home it could happen. They deserve a big support at home.
Okay that is me out of here now. Cheers.
15 Mar 2013, 21:18 pm
@Puma-272:
Night Puma.
15 Mar 2013, 21:18 pm
Congrats to the Chiefs, experience pulled them through.
And the Kings? One can only take a hat off and marvel in their guts. You can see the inexperience and enthusiasism. Lack of leadership was evident as well. Luke must recover quickly. Lost but proud of the commitment and never say die attitude.
Still waiting for 100, 50 losing deficit. I hope the haters will put their hatred to rest and compliment Cheeky and his team on a job well done so far. Long way to go though.
15 Mar 2013, 21:21 pm
@King dingeling-256: Yes.. because the Lions always got a hiding in every game they played. This is still a loss for the Kings. No one cares about the score… it’s a loss. If we care about the score then the Lions didn’t do too badly because they ran a lot team very close. You see were I’m going with this? Stop being stupid.
15 Mar 2013, 21:21 pm
@Peter Mkata-277:
Aghh, the haters will be quiet for now until it maybe does happen that a team put 50 pass the Kings. Then they will be here in full force.
15 Mar 2013, 21:22 pm
@Puma-275: Yeah we can only hope hey. Cheers
15 Mar 2013, 21:22 pm
@nama1-276: So proud of the kings out there tonight Nama.
Night Nama. Catch up tomorrow boet.
15 Mar 2013, 21:23 pm
Cheers Baks, Tac .d*wn, and eveybody else
Go Bulls and guppies
Chat morrow
15 Mar 2013, 21:26 pm
All hail the kings my arse! Forget about the lions? They should not be in s15? Are we so easy to be happy about a team loosing? Lions lost and not all by big scores! This is still early days. I must say that they seem to play better every time but again early days! And still need a good couple of wins! Can’t say hail the chiefs with 1 out of 3. Geesh. Rather get excited about cheetahs winning 2 oversead, not getting excited about loosing!
15 Mar 2013, 21:27 pm
Something smells of rotten fish….
15 Mar 2013, 21:28 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-273: read your post about them erlier. Shocking. Bulls need The Atlas blessing.
15 Mar 2013, 21:31 pm
@nama1-279:
Can never understand it. Very sad but one can always resist being trapped in that kind of negativity.
Kings are short of little mongrel upfront but are certainly playing better than the lions so far. The overseas tour is gonna be huge in terms of character especialy on the young stars.
Maku too erratic and lacks some mongrel . How I wish we had someone to replace him going foward.
15 Mar 2013, 21:32 pm
“Air Punch” Petersen continuing to impress.
15 Mar 2013, 21:34 pm
@nortierd-18: @polaris-16:
They are far north yes
Limpopo is a sub-union of the Blue Bulls
In the old days they were called “Verre Noord Transvaal” & they probably competed for the Sport Pienaar against other minor unions such as North West Cape, North East Cape, etc. Wasn’t there a Stellaland as well? Maybe some others I can’t recall now …
These small (in numbers) but vast (in geographical area) & without any survival prospects unions, unless heavily subsidised, have since disappeared & been co-opted into the big, viable unions.
15 Mar 2013, 21:35 pm
I’m out. But see you guys tomorrow morning
Bulls by 5 or a 100
15 Mar 2013, 21:35 pm
Steyn needs to make amends for his duck from 16 balls. How do you even do that in an ODI, especially a shortened one?
15 Mar 2013, 21:37 pm
Chiefs cut down courageous Kings http://t.co/C4yyPdTkO1 via @sharethis champs bt rookies 35-24 in PE
15 Mar 2013, 21:38 pm
Well done Kings, avg loss to the 2 probably best respective conf teams 8.5 points. Impressive.
15 Mar 2013, 21:39 pm
@Angostura-288:
Laeveld
15 Mar 2013, 21:39 pm
@nama1-290: Easy…. he shouldn’t even have go in to bat. Top order failed. Not his job…. he was probably just seeing out the overs.
15 Mar 2013, 21:42 pm
@Atlas-282:
cheers boet
15 Mar 2013, 21:42 pm
@Tuna-293:
Still…0 from 16 balls? You going to excuse it on that grounds? That’s 2 1/2 overs wasted.
15 Mar 2013, 21:43 pm
@victoriabok-292: Oh, yes
15 Mar 2013, 21:44 pm
@Tuna-293:
“Seeing out the overs.”
In an ODI? That have been shortened due to rain?
Is jy gerook?
15 Mar 2013, 21:45 pm
@Tuna-293: But Steyn fancies himself as a batsman … how now?
15 Mar 2013, 21:46 pm
@Angostura-296:
Oos Vrystaat.
Vaaldriehoek
Another one for “Air Punch?”
Khan going upstairs.
15 Mar 2013, 21:47 pm
Sliding down, I think.
15 Mar 2013, 21:47 pm
@Peter Mkata-277:
Didn’t you get the memo? The Force are the worst team in SR, while the Sharks and the Chiefs are not as good as everybody makes them out to be…
15 Mar 2013, 21:48 pm
Good call by Khan.
15 Mar 2013, 21:48 pm
@nama1-299: There we go … Any more?
15 Mar 2013, 21:49 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-294: before I go
Poops said hi
Any word from China?
15 Mar 2013, 21:50 pm
@Angostura-303: Actually there was a Northern Natal union as well
15 Mar 2013, 21:51 pm
@victoriabok-292: Northern Natal.
15 Mar 2013, 21:52 pm
@mxhosa-301:
You saw that comment by Tac?
Even the Stormers beat them while the Kings gave them a run for their money.
How he wishes that the Bulls could play them this year.
I
15 Mar 2013, 21:54 pm
@nama1-297: Nee. Ek is nie gerook nie. Die goue reel is om al jou overs deur te kolf. Maak nie saak hoeveel overs daar is nie.
@Angostura-298: Maybe in tests not in ODI’s.
15 Mar 2013, 21:56 pm
@Angostura-303: Natal Country Districts.
15 Mar 2013, 21:57 pm
Bakkies and Atlas up a tree
K.i.s.s.i.n.g
Pathetic
Well done chiefs and also well done kings.
15 Mar 2013, 21:58 pm
@nama1-307:
We’ll beat the Bulls for sure! Maybe then Tac will be a believer.
15 Mar 2013, 21:59 pm
Except that in his last Test he batted no 11
15 Mar 2013, 22:03 pm
@Tuna-308:
Jy kan nie net daar staan en blok net om al jou beurte deur te kolf nie, of hoe?
Veral as dit die laaste paar beurte is. Moer die bal of gaan uit laat iemand anders kom probeer. Ons het 18 lopies in die laaste 5 beurte aangeteken. Steyn het in hierdie tyd 16 van die 30 balle ontvang.
Verbeel jou: 5 beurte oor en jy ontvang 16 balle sonder om ‘n lopie aan te teken want die goue reel se jy moet al jou beurte gebruik.
Maak nie sin nie.
15 Mar 2013, 22:05 pm
@mxhosa-311:
That, my friend, is just possible. The Blue Bulls used to struggle against EP in P.E.
15 Mar 2013, 22:07 pm
Namaqualand?
15 Mar 2013, 22:07 pm
@Angostura-288:
Yep
Limpopo is Polekwane, formerly Pietersburg?
Still a far cry from Bulls though
Yes, Stelleland I remember
Good old platteland rugby
15 Mar 2013, 22:08 pm
well done Chiefs on the win.
chuffed with my boys resilience against the defending champs, keep improving!
15 Mar 2013, 22:10 pm
@nama1-315:
The only problem here is that they are going to play them the week after they return from their tour. Will be very difficult especially if they pick up some injuries on tour.
15 Mar 2013, 22:11 pm
@Hurricane-311:
Hey Hurri
Your side keeps stuffing my Superbru up
1st 2 weeks had them to win, they lose, next 2 had them to lose, they win
What’s up with them?
15 Mar 2013, 22:11 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-316: Praat jy met my?
15 Mar 2013, 22:11 pm
@nama1-315:
That’s what I’m banking on…
And in other news, Shimlas captain Oupa Mahoje has signed with the Cheetahs till 2015.
15 Mar 2013, 22:12 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-316: Nope, Noordwes Kaap
15 Mar 2013, 22:15 pm
@Hurricane-310: even if I don’t care what you think. Your alcahol indused brain let you forget that I enjoyd the hosPitality NZ gave me. I’ll go back there anytime. Can u say the same
15 Mar 2013, 22:15 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-310: Natal Country Districts was the Cricket Sub Union
15 Mar 2013, 22:17 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-316:
Was part of NWC.
Another one for “Air Punch”
15 Mar 2013, 22:17 pm
Chiefs cut down courageous Kings http://t.co/oOnTvCKSCp via @sharethis
15 Mar 2013, 22:17 pm
Robin Peterson continues to pleasantly surprise
15 Mar 2013, 22:18 pm
@nortierd-317:
Remember East Free State. They were incorporated into the Northern Free State (Griffons). When I was in Bethlehem, they’re still pissed off with Verster, as they included Grey, which now falls into the Free State union.
15 Mar 2013, 22:21 pm
@mxhosa-302:
Eyi ndoda.
People’s objectivity being clouded by hatred and malice. Must say they have calmed down a little bit. They are in state of shoch and disbelief.
Up the royals!!!!!!
15 Mar 2013, 22:24 pm
Please enlighten me, will the Lions have their loaned out players for the playoffs?
15 Mar 2013, 22:25 pm
@David-328:
Lol
The Purple People Eaters
15 Mar 2013, 22:28 pm
What I can’t understand is the criticism about the Kings lack of backline experience, yet Strauss and Cooke are anything but inexperienced.
15 Mar 2013, 22:28 pm
Really your all impressed by the kings? 0 points from 2 home games? And after losing another 2 or 3 losses without points the heads will drop and the big scores will come… And there’s a tour as well..
15 Mar 2013, 22:32 pm
@Angostura-325:
I think there were about 24 or 27 “provincial” unions. Maybe best to name them all.
A-section CC:
N. TVL
TVL
WP
OVS
EP
Natal*
B-section:
N. OVS
O. TVL
W. TVL
Border
Boland
Namibia
Sport Pienaar:
Stellaland (Vryburg)
NOK (Cradock)
Oos Vrystaat
Laeveld
Verre N.TVL
Vaaldriehoek
Noordwes Kaap (Upington)
Noord Natal
Federasie (Coloureds)
Leopards (Blacks)
Others???
*Natal were relegated at some stage of course.
15 Mar 2013, 22:33 pm
@nortierd-331:
Yeah. Who was their brilliant kicking flyhalf? He had an english name.
15 Mar 2013, 22:34 pm
Go Bulls
Bulls by 4
15 Mar 2013, 22:36 pm
@Ngqawa-330:
Yes
@14261774-333:
“And after losing another 2 or 3 losses without points the heads will drop and the big scores will come…”
Some have been saying this since the start of the tournament. It seems you guys are postponing this “big scores” every week.
15 Mar 2013, 22:37 pm
@Ngqawa-330: yes they will, even if the Stormers or Sharks are in the finals.
15 Mar 2013, 22:37 pm
@ 335 David
Eric Herbert maybe?
15 Mar 2013, 22:38 pm
@David-335:
Eric Herbert?
15 Mar 2013, 22:38 pm
@14261774-333:
4 from 3, which includes 2 games against last years finalists. Not bad at all, considering their handicap in recruiting players.
15 Mar 2013, 22:39 pm
@Rage-339: @nama1-340:
Yes, thanks guys.
15 Mar 2013, 22:44 pm
@Transformation-338:
Are you back at home?
Your team did well against the Champs. 8 points gifted to the Chiefs imo. We’ll never know how things would’ve turned out if that was not the case. Pity you guys didn’t at least got a bonus point out of your last two games. They deserved it.
Now for the litmus test. Playing away from their vociferous fans against the likes of Saders and the Brumbies who were in the play offs last year.
15 Mar 2013, 22:44 pm
@nama1-334: Yip we got all of those except:
Vaaldriehoek
Leopards
Federation (Federasie)
Weren’t the Federation team known as the Proteas?
There was also some team known as the Kwaggas. Can’t remember which team that was. Can’T think which team that was. Can remember the Junior Springboks that toured Argentina on development tours were known as the Gazelles.
15 Mar 2013, 22:46 pm
@Angostura-344:
wasn’t Natal B the Kwaggas?
15 Mar 2013, 22:46 pm
Come on now Tsotsobe.
15 Mar 2013, 22:47 pm
Lopsy – umm. Not the same mistake thrice in a row.
15 Mar 2013, 22:47 pm
@mxhosa-322: @nama1-343: @Transformation-338:
Can any of you remember where Bantu Holomisa played his rugby?
15 Mar 2013, 22:49 pm
@nama1-346:
They’re treating him like an ATM.
15 Mar 2013, 22:50 pm
@David-345: Well Natal B was the Wildebeest as far as I can remember?
15 Mar 2013, 22:50 pm
@Angostura-348:
Fort Hare 3rds.
15 Mar 2013, 22:51 pm
Pakistan klapping us around at will
As good as our test side is, the one day and 20 over version is in serious trouble
No consistency there
15 Mar 2013, 22:52 pm
@Angostura-344:
When they played against a touring team. T’was like the “national Coloured” team playing against the touring side. Vokkit!!!
Wasn’t the Kwaggas like a age group representative side? Not sure.
The senior side was the Bokke. The junior Boks was also known as the Gazelles.
15 Mar 2013, 22:52 pm
@Angostura-344:
The WP Federation were mainly coloured players with a few whites from WP. It was a brave attempt at some form of integration and development at a time when apartheid was still the determining factor in rugby.
15 Mar 2013, 22:54 pm
@I am a stormer-351:
Hahaha
I doubt that – wasn’t Fort Hare in the Ciskei?
More likely he winged it for (& captained) the Transkei Defence Force 1st XV
15 Mar 2013, 22:55 pm
@nama1-334:
I think O Tvl played in the CC or played a CC final once as well?
15 Mar 2013, 22:55 pm
@Ango…i recall my dad telling me that Bantubonke was a fast wing for St Johns College
15 Mar 2013, 22:56 pm
The Quaggas were the SA equivalent of the Barbarians. Were they the same as Kwaggas. My mistake about Natal B, I think they were the Wildebeests.
15 Mar 2013, 22:57 pm
@Transformation-358: Thank you, Trans
15 Mar 2013, 22:59 pm
@victoriabok-357:
The Red Devils, I think that’s what O Transvaal were nicknamed, were a CC union.
15 Mar 2013, 23:01 pm
@I am a stormer-349:
@David-354:
Weren’t they just called The Federation? I’m not so sure about the WP part.
I know they changed it to WP Liga later when the Coloured clubs in the northern provinces and Natal complained that that team from the Cape was not wholly representative of all the Coloured players playing rugby under the banner of the Federation.
All these teams were suppose then to form a national Coloured side that played against touring sides like the ’80 Lions. They were then known as the Proteas. Not many, if any, Coloureds from the northern provinces made that side anyhow.
15 Mar 2013, 23:02 pm
@David-361:
Red Devils played at the Pam Brink Stadium
15 Mar 2013, 23:03 pm
@Transformation-358:
Which position did you play?
15 Mar 2013, 23:03 pm
@victoriabok-357: Yes it was a Currie Cup semi final I think, played at the Pam Brink stadium in the days of Skip Henderson, Ertjies Durrheim, Jan Els, Boesman Wilkenson, etc.
15 Mar 2013, 23:05 pm
@Atlas-324:
Sorry i dont drink and live in christchurch…..seems you have proven once a pea brain always a pea brain
15 Mar 2013, 23:07 pm
@nama: sorry broer…i’m @ the Kings pub with rosso & mates…just dissecting the game & enjoying the evening…
15 Mar 2013, 23:07 pm
@Transformation-358:
Yes, he was at St Johns in eMthatha and the later the Transkei defence force. Remember most scholars from PE moved to the former Transkei in the 50s, 60s and 70s to attend boarding schools as they were the best run school – mostly missionary schools. That is how rugby moved to the greater Eastern Cape ie players from PE and surrounding areas. You will recall that most of these missionary schools were not in urban areas.
15 Mar 2013, 23:08 pm
@Angostura-365:
Wikipedia says it was the 1972 final against Transvaal at Pam Brink Stadium Springs
Transvaal won 25 – 19
15 Mar 2013, 23:08 pm
@Transformation-367:
Ulilungu le Kings army?
15 Mar 2013, 23:09 pm
@Hurricane-366:
Nice win for your boys. Cheers. I’ve never done well punting the Landers.
15 Mar 2013, 23:09 pm
@victoriabok-357:
Yes, O. TVL. N.OVS and Namibia all played A-section at one stage or another as well, after dumping Natal to the B-section in promo/relegation matches. That list was probably true for about 1982.
Don’t think O.TVL played in a CC final. Maybe in a semi when the top team in the B-section played in a semi against the 2nd place team in the A-section. The winner of the A-section had a free pass to the final.
That was how Natal played their 1st ever CC final in 1984(I think) when they surprised in the semi after winning the B-section.
Calla Scholtz kicked us to victory with his white boots. I think the final score was 12-3 or something like that. It was a kak match.
15 Mar 2013, 23:10 pm
@victoriabok-369:
A final nogal!
15 Mar 2013, 23:10 pm
Red Devils was just a nickname for Eastern Transvaal
same as Blue Bulls & Banana Boys were provincial nicknames before the advent of the professional era
15 Mar 2013, 23:12 pm
@nama1-372:
> That was how Natal played their 1st ever CC final in 1984(I think) when they surprised in the semi after winning the B-section.
They won a relegation type game against Free State who came second in the CC and went through to the final
Their captain was Craig Jamieson
15 Mar 2013, 23:13 pm
@Transformation-367:
You do that boet… you have reason to…
The naysayers have been proven wrong…yet again.
15 Mar 2013, 23:14 pm
Bakkies fok you you absolute w@nker..
filthy, dogs etc? shall I call you a fcken fat, brandy and coke drinking, stand by me khaki wearing dut.chboy? or just a neanderthal knuckle dragging saffa? Only ne person took you to task on your comments, well done Nortie, at least there is one decent Saffa on this site.. Also, you dont watch super rugby, so how the fck can you comment on it? by the scorelines again?
what a total mamparra..
for all those complaining about the TMO, Meeswesun stepped over the boundaries of his legislation when the ABs played SA in 11, but you all praised him then… also, Brian Habana scored a forward pass try with the 22 line being the delineator showing how forward the pass was, but you all celebrated that one… ah thats right, Saffas never fcken cheat..
Brussouw yesterday was playing the ball on the ground,, perhaps you lot should open the OTHER eye when watching games..
15 Mar 2013, 23:14 pm
@victoriabok-369: Thank you, VB
My mistake – it just seems incredulous after all these years that we had a final at Pam Brink
But then we did have that Currie Cup final in Ammosal’s heyday (was it 1970 or 71?) in Kimberley … what a team Griquas had then!
15 Mar 2013, 23:15 pm
@Angostura-374:
And the name Banana Boys somehow stuck. The Sharks just seems a misnomer. What do you think?
15 Mar 2013, 23:15 pm
@I am a stormer-373:
Another of the smaller teams in a final was Boland in 1952 against Transvaal
Transvaal won 11 – 9
15 Mar 2013, 23:16 pm
@Angostura-374:
If I remember correctly, Eastern and Western Transvaal were the designated hitmen to injure the touring teams. EP was the other, although they weren’t designated. They did it to every team.
15 Mar 2013, 23:17 pm
@Angostura-378:
Moenie dit invryf nie
15 Mar 2013, 23:18 pm
@victoriabok-375:
Not a “relegation type game,” VB.
They won the play off (semi final) to reach the final.
Can you imagine a competition where the 7th best team play a semi against the 2nd best team for a place in the final? That was in effect what happened.
Not so sure about Craig Jamieson. Try Wynand Claasen or something. Jamieson was captain in 1990.
15 Mar 2013, 23:20 pm
nope – Sharks is now a powerful brand that is well known & supported all over – it even transcends national borders
Old timers like me still think fondly of the nick banana boys, but even us have to admire the power of Sharks brand, & the relative success associated with it.
SHARKS it is …
15 Mar 2013, 23:20 pm
Well after losing to the Lions and Griquas in pre season friendlies and generally not being amazing I have to admit I thought these guys were just being pushed in with no ability to back up their inclusion. They lost to the team they replaced in Super rugby and all in all SARU made a hash of their inclusion at the expense of an entire franchise. So yes I was vehemently opposed to their inclusion.
However they have fought tooth and nail and played some very good rugby since starting Super 15 and have some enterprising young players. I have to give credit where its due – theyre not getting hammered all the time – theyre competing very well and I have to congratulate them for it.
Good to keep seeing new talent exposed not only at the Kings but at all franchises:
Kitshoff, Etzebeth, Kolisi, Carr, Groom, Jantjes, De Allende, Sp Marais, Seargal Petersen, Catrakilis, Jacques Engelbrecht, Adongo, Pieter Steph du Toit, Lambie, Paul Jordaan, Trevor Nyakane, Lappies Labuschagne, Piet van Zyl, Goosen, Rob Ebersohn (though he´s been around for a while), Raymond Rhule, Arno Botha, Jan Serfontein, Sampie Mastriet. future looking quite rosy for the Boks in my opinion with talent possibly coming from this group in future.
15 Mar 2013, 23:20 pm
@Angostura-378:
The AB’s toured SA that year. Griquas beat N Transvaal.
15 Mar 2013, 23:22 pm
@nama1-383:
Natal was the winner of the B division
Free State was second in the CC A division
It might have been a playoff but it sounded more like a relegation type game when a lower division played against one higher
15 Mar 2013, 23:22 pm
@nama1-354:
Nama I remember when I was a young star listening to Radio Xhosa in late 70s, when TV was not so readily available or only battery operated ones were available, listening to the big derbies those days. Leapards vs Proteas under Craven union in East London or PE’S Wolfson stadium or Cape Town. Morgan Cushe, Steve Matomela, Sonto brothers etc vs Lategan
, Shields, Ronnie Louw etc. It was a marvel to listen to Peter Bacela of the cricket fame being the announcer and before him Given Ntlebi.
Then Saru took over in PE and we saw the mighty Kwaru of the seventies with Peter Mkata, Toto Tsotsobe and the Watson brothers in action at Dan Qeqe or Adcock stadiums. I f one can only turn back the clock.
15 Mar 2013, 23:24 pm
@Angostura-384:
I know.
Just that some of your brethren are softcocks. Still like to see HG slip on a banana piel!
15 Mar 2013, 23:24 pm
Pakistan win.
Congrats.
SA needed to win all 5 matches to become no. 1 again. Guess that is out of the question now.
If they can just get some consistency in their performances before we play in the Championship Trophy, it will also help.
15 Mar 2013, 23:26 pm
@David-381: Oh, yes,
” hulle het so op die onkantlyn gelê”
nowadays, everybody defends like that …
15 Mar 2013, 23:27 pm
@I am a stormer-389: bwahahaaaa
ag, just give that man (HG) a bell end
15 Mar 2013, 23:28 pm
@victoriabok-387:
In those days the CC was split into two pools (divisions), not a genuine 1st and 2nd division as the terms A and B suggest.
15 Mar 2013, 23:30 pm
Pam Brink stadium was my tuis stadium waar ek rugby gekyk het toe ek n laaitjie was…
het Bokke gesien teen Frankryk 1965 op Pam Brink stadium.. die hele stadium vol boere uit Pretoria en Oos en Wes Rand en die res van die land het kom kyk hoe die sterk Bok span met Dawie De Villiers, Piet Visagie, Mannetjies Roux ens die no name Fransmanne gaat klop…
Die plek het baie stil geraak toe die blikskottle klip harde Franse boerseuns van Toulouse en suide Frans die ginstelinge Boke met 5-3 geklop het… Almal so stil stil uit hul sitplekke en die karpark terrein so moedeloos hul gatte uitgesleep.
15 Mar 2013, 23:30 pm
@nama1-390:
Suddenly it becomes a best of 3 series. That dynamic must get instilled in their brains. Where there is no mistake for error. It is good that pressure is exterted on this ODI team. They must learn.
15 Mar 2013, 23:32 pm
@victoriabok-387:
The B-division unions “forced” the SARB to adopt competition rules that would also give them a chance to win the CC. It was then decided that the winner of the A-division will go straight to the final while the 2nd place team will play the winner of the B-division in a play off or semi, to determine the other finalist.
I think you’ll find that after playing in the final that year, Natal then had to play against the bottom team of the A-division in a bid to gain promotion to the A-division. They lost against E. TVL, I believe. They never could win these promo/relegation matches. The SARB had to change the rules to let them back into the top flight some years later.
15 Mar 2013, 23:32 pm
@David-381:
I remember after re-admission we still had touring teams play our provincial teams
They hated playing against the Purple People Eaters in Welkom
Those miners liked hurting them on the concrete hard field covered only with long dead, white frost killed grass
15 Mar 2013, 23:33 pm
RT @shane_keohane: Chiefs cut down courageous Kings http://t.co/oOnTvCKSCp via @sharethis
15 Mar 2013, 23:33 pm
Riaan Smit from Cheetahs is from Springs.. Red Devil country.
15 Mar 2013, 23:36 pm
@Peter Mkata-388:
This is something most bloggers are ignorant of, when they claim that EP has never won a CC and thus have no history deserving of a franchise ahead of the Lions. They believe that only the white CC unions have a history. It’s about time they woke up to the complete history of rugby in SA if they want to call themselves SA rugby lovers.
15 Mar 2013, 23:37 pm
@skopdiekan-394:
“In 1964, the Tricolores returned to South Africa for a mini-tour, losing only one of their six games and once again beating the Springboks [8–6] in the battle of Springs; a Test described until his dying day by Dr Danie Craven as the worst yet to be seen in South Africa.”
Was dit ‘n harde of ‘n vuil wedstryd Skop?
15 Mar 2013, 23:38 pm
@Peter Mkata-388:
Those were great days.
We’re slowly but surely getting it back on a local level. Last week there was a tournament in Port Nolloth where 16 “dorpspanne” took part. I reckon there were between 120-150 cars in the stadium.
@I am a stormer-395:
Yeah. With Kallis, Duminy, Morkel still in the wings, one is not that worried yet.
Maybe it is a good thing that we are not doing that well, consistently, now. Less pressure on the boys when the Championship Trophy starts.
15 Mar 2013, 23:39 pm
@nama1-396:
I must admit I’ve lost track of all the different formats the CC has been through. At times, it seemed to change almost every season.
15 Mar 2013, 23:41 pm
@skopdiekan-394: Jy wil nie daai stadium nou sien nie. Jy sal huil.
15 Mar 2013, 23:42 pm
@nama1-401:
I’m still confused as to why Vernon isn’t in the ODI side as an all rounder.
15 Mar 2013, 23:42 pm
@skopdiekan-394: My 1st Test was 7 September 1963, Boet Erasmus stadium, South Africa (22) vs Australia (6)
15 Mar 2013, 23:43 pm
@Peter Mkata-368: Indeed, my father went to Healdtown College and played rugby there & they used to play the likes of Blythswood, Clarkebury, St Johns & Fort Malan…
i’m going to the Transkei nexy week; i will get all the info i can.
15 Mar 2013, 23:43 pm
@Angostura-405: errrr
as a spectator! of course
lol
15 Mar 2013, 23:43 pm
@skopdiekan-394:
Was dit op Pam Brink waar Colin Beck se loopbaan finaal ge-eindig het nie? Ek onthou ;n wedstryd wat WP daar gespeel het waar Rob louw op ‘n stadium moes gaan heelagter speel want daar was nie meer reserwes oor nie. Spelers is van die veld af gemoer of het beserings opgedoen.
‘n lionbeker wedstryd , as ek reg onthou.
15 Mar 2013, 23:47 pm
@David-404:
He will be soon. He has made his intensions clear.
15 Mar 2013, 23:51 pm
@I am a stormer-409:
Was it his decision? I didn’t realise, I always thought it was the selectors.
15 Mar 2013, 23:51 pm
29 July 1967 Ellis Park, Johannesburg 14 – 19 France
25 July 1964 Pam Brink Stadium, Springs, South Africa 6 – 8 France
16 August 1958 Ellis Park, Johannesburg 5 – 9 France
Sterk Frans spanne daai jare
Ja dit was 1964 nie 1965 nie ek was net 10 jaar oud my oom het uit JHB saam met 3 kaartjies vir die toets ek en my broer Pam Brink toe gevat om die Bokke kom sien die Fransmanne klop.. toe tree die spanne uit by voltyd en die Franse die Bokke met 8-6 gewen. Nie 5-3 nie.. ek onthou die telling was laag gewees net een drie gedruk dink ek.
@Tuna-403: Ek het daar verby gery in Desember maand nou net.. hele dorp bietjie afgedwaal van destyds nou toe.. ek het in daai stadium atletiek gehardloop toe ek onder 12 en onder 13 die 100 yds en 440 relay gehardloop teen seuns van Hugenote en ander skole in die omgewing.
15 Mar 2013, 23:52 pm
@David-399:
It might be so David but remeber when I grew up tv, radio and print were controlled by the government and they decided what we could see sport and rugby included
We knew about Naas, De Wet Ras and Gerald Bosch but unfortunately not about the players Peter is referring to
And another thing to remember is you only know and remember the players you grew up with and onwards
I know about Boy Louw but that’s about it as it was way before my time.
Danie Craven I only know as adminstrator, not as a player
My dad told me about Tom van Vollenhoven, how fast he was, and how Hennie Muller smoked a cigarette during halftime against the All Blacks
And how Uli’s dad Louis tackled Jannie Engelbrecht and broke his collarbone yet he stayed on the field and scored three tries winning the CC for WP
And how gys Pitzer hit Pullen once and they had to carry him off
But I don’t know them like I know Divan, Schalk Sr, Burger, Hugh Reece Edwards or most likely my favourite Uli
It’s a shame we don’t know the players of the era Peter referred too, but at least we will know the new generation, like Akona who has given stirling service to the Bulls
15 Mar 2013, 23:52 pm
@David-404:
Somebody explained it like this the other day.
In ODI’s, you need to vary your line and length in order for the batsman not to get use to where you are going to pitch the ball. Him being a line and length bowler, the coaching staff are afraid that if Vernon also plays ODI’s, that it may mess up his impeccable line and length at test level. They therefor decided to rather not select him for the ODI’s.
Hope it makes sense to you.
15 Mar 2013, 23:55 pm
@peter: ewe ndililo!
15 Mar 2013, 23:55 pm
@nama1-409:
Onthou julle in die middel 80′s toe WP die CC besit het en die Transvaal Mean Machine krieket?
WP was onoorwinbaar met ‘n baie goeie span en toe gaan speel hulle ‘n Lionbeker wedstryd teen Suid Oos Transvaal op Witbank(?) en hulle verloor
Ek dink die Witbankers het seker al die dop op die dorp uitgedrink daardie naweek
15 Mar 2013, 23:56 pm
@David-399:
True David. When you sit and listen to the old people telling of local derbies in the 50 and 60s in East London , PE, Fort Beaufort is a marvel to watch the liveliness/twinkle in their eyes.
For me the best was seeing one of the Watson brothers, not sure which one, playing in late 70s playing in Fort Beaufort running in socks only. How he lost his shoes is a mystery to this day to me.
15 Mar 2013, 23:57 pm
@nama1-409: Ek onthoe nie daai wedstryd nie maar die Rooi Duiwels het spoiling rugby gespeel meestal.. harde donners van Bethal en Oogies en Heidelberg TvL en sulke plekke
15 Mar 2013, 23:57 pm
@Transformation-415:
Hayi ke ndiza kulibona kungekudala igama lakho lokwenene.
15 Mar 2013, 23:59 pm
@Peter Mkata-388:
It is great to reminisce, Peter
We all have our own seperate good memories of rugby
But now we are building common (joint) new ones
16 Mar 2013, 00:00 am
@David-411:
Ok. Vernon has let the selectors know that he is not just a test specialist. Put it this way – he would love to resume his international career in the ODI format where he previously made his debut for this country. With the amount of ODI’s happening between now and October, that might happen.
16 Mar 2013, 00:00 am
@victoriabok-416:
Dis van daai wedstryd wat ek praat waar Rob Louw op die ou eind heelagter moes speel. Ek dink WP het die wedstryd met iets soos 13 man voltooi. Onthou, daai jare kon jy net twee reserwes kies. Gewoonlik ‘n haker en ‘n veelsydige agterspeler.
@Angostura
Ek dink nie ons het netnou SO TVL genoem as een van die klein unies nie.
16 Mar 2013, 00:04 am
@Angostura-420:
Agree 100%
16 Mar 2013, 00:04 am
@victoriabok-416:
Onthou jy die wedstryd teen dieselfde span toe hul haker, Richard Cooke (dink ek) TIEN vaskoppe teen Willie Kaths gehak het.
16 Mar 2013, 00:05 am
@skopdiekan-418:
Seker myners?
Dis hoe Wallis ook so sterk was, toe hulle steenkoolmyners gehad het wat gespeel het
Daardie ouens se speier behoort nie aan die gym of die apteek nie
16 Mar 2013, 00:06 am
@skopdiekan-418:
Sien 416.
16 Mar 2013, 00:06 am
@Peter Mkata-417:
Probably small size boots.
16 Mar 2013, 00:06 am
@victoriabok-401: dit was hard en vuil.. die Franse het nie die Bokke hul gewone hardloop spel laat speel en baie gevegte tussen die voorye en agtalle deur die game het uitgebars
16 Mar 2013, 00:08 am
@nama1-414:
Great bowlers make the transition between both formats of the game. Won’t be long before we see him there. Well, I think so. I hope so.
16 Mar 2013, 00:12 am
@skopdiekan-412: Hugenote is nog sterk daar in Springs. Net jammer Monnas, Vereeniging etc etc. Trek al die skool seuns na hulle toe met “offers”. HTS Springs is nie meer die skool van ouds nie. Jammerte … die derby tussen daai 2 skole het die hele drop laat stil staan op ‘n Saterdag. Maar ja die drop is verwaarloos. Maar rugby is nog sterk in daai omgewing. Ek sien Brakpan doen nie te sleg in die community cup nie… daar is baie Springs manne in daai span. Hoekom die Leeus nie meer in die Oos Rand “scout” nie maak nie vir my sin nie.
16 Mar 2013, 00:13 am
@I am a stormer-429:
Was what I thought when I heard that explanation.
We’ll have to see, I guess.
16 Mar 2013, 00:17 am
@nama1-422: SO Tvl is die huidige (Mpumulanga) Pumas – dit is nie meer ‘n klein unie in terme van status nie. Dis ‘n “Meneer” van ‘n unie, wat op ‘n goeie dag groter unies kan laat les opsê.
**
Eng busy stuffing up the Black Caps
G’nite all – nice chatting
{out}
16 Mar 2013, 00:18 am
@Angostura-432:
Night Ango
16 Mar 2013, 00:20 am
@Angostura-420:
Still have to see a province team better than this one: help to fill in
Hempies du Toit
Sean Povey
forgot
Hennie Becker
De Villiers Graaf
Rob Louw
Theuns Stofberg
Morne du Plessis
Divan Serfontein
Colin Beck/Michael du Plessis
Forgot – english fellow or surname
Willie du Plessis
Carel Du Plessis
Niel Burger
Calla Sholtz
16 Mar 2013, 00:25 am
There was a coloured guy who played centre for WP, cannot recall his name. Not Erol Tobias.
OK remembered Wilfred Cupido – what a talented guy
16 Mar 2013, 00:25 am
@Peter Mkata-434:
Henning van Aswegen
Robert Cockrell
De Villiers Visser (not Graaf)
Nick Mallet (Morne retired before Theuns came to the Cape)
Peter Whipp
John Villet
16 Mar 2013, 00:28 am
@Peter Mkata-435:
Jip. Wilfred and Faffa Knoetze must be one of the smallest, if not the smallest, centre pair ever. Both weighed in the low to mid 70kg’s, I think.
They would definitely not have been considered today.
16 Mar 2013, 00:30 am
@victoriabok-413:
I realise that. I was trying to point out that many bloggers, not just here, refuse to recognise that quality rugby and a history, existed outside of the white CC structures.
As you and Angostura mention, we can now start to appreciate what most of us have been missing.
16 Mar 2013, 00:31 am
@Peter Mkata-434: Henning van Aswegen & John Villet
G’nite
16 Mar 2013, 00:31 am
Anyway, I’m off to bed, as well. Cheers guys.
16 Mar 2013, 00:41 am
guys..victoriabok, david, peter mkata, nama….
I RESPECT ALL OF YOU EQUALLY AS PEOPLE!
thank you for the posts on this thread…this is South African rugby…
dankie mense, thank you, ndiyabulela!
16 Mar 2013, 00:41 am
@nama1-436:
True. You must be a HUGE province fan. Man those were the days. I was schooling in PE/ EC those years and province was the favourate of nearly all my friends at school. We could not stomach N -Tvl. Lol
Can remember to this day those derbies. Remember at Newlands, must have been 82/83 not sure, Naas vs Michael dup in currie cup final. Unfortunately Naas got injured against ET and Giepie Nel had to face Michael Dup. What a game.
16 Mar 2013, 00:42 am
@Angostura-439:
Correct, very good province team.
16 Mar 2013, 00:43 am
Angostura included!!!!!!!
16 Mar 2013, 00:49 am
@Transformation-444:
Sleep well Transie, I am content with the progress at Kings. We must not be relegated, we cannot afford to lose this momentum and I hope something is done to accommodate the Lions as well. SA rugby can only win through that.
16 Mar 2013, 00:50 am
@Peter Mkata-442:
I was a minority among my mates who were big Bulls fans just because of Naas and his stupid drop kicks.
Michael was great on that day. Nearly moered Giepie after the latter fell on him with his knees when he scored a try.
1982 -1986 is forever etched in the minds of most WP supporters who were old enough back then, I guess.
16 Mar 2013, 00:54 am
@Tuna-430: In my tyd was HTS nie eers aangesteld nie dink ek.. Ons het teen Hugenote en Delmas en Volkskool Heidelberg en sterk rugby skole vanaf die omgewing gespeel. Ek het Springs einde van 1968 verlaat, net een jaar by Springs BH onder 14 rugby gespeel en atletiek gehardloop voor ek Parktown BH toe getrek het waar Paul Bayvel eerste span scrumskakel gespeel toe ek nog onder 15 was en teen KES en Jeppe en Helpmekaar ens gespeel het.
16 Mar 2013, 00:56 am
@nama1-446:
Michael was a visionary. Well ahead of his peers. Pity that he could not play against the likes of o
Ollie Campbell and Lascaboura – spelling. Can only dream.
16 Mar 2013, 00:59 am
@Tuna-430: snaaks lyk vir my die ouens raak verlore toe hulle uit skool is of anderstens verdwyn hulle tussen die Vodacom cup spanne van Pumas ens.. wonder ook hoekom Lions nie meer van die sterke Oosrand spelers in hulle vorderings spanne gebruik nie.
16 Mar 2013, 01:01 am
RUGBY DAY FIXTURES – 21 MARCH 2013
Somerset Field
08h00 Cambridge High School 1st XV vs. Port Alfred High School 1st XV
09h10 Hudson Park 1st XV vs. Muir College 1st XV
10h20 Dale College 1st XV vs. Nico Malan Hoërskool 1st XV
11h30 Queens’ College 1st XV vs. Die Brandwag Hoërskool 1st XV
12h40 Grey High School 1st XV vs. Westville Boys’ High School 1st XV
13h50 Kingswood College 1st XV vs. Hoër Landbouskool Marlow 1st XV
15h00 St Andrew’s College 1st XV vs. Pearson High School 1st XV
16h10 Graeme College 1st XV vs. Selborne College 1st XV
Marais A Field Marais B Field
08h30 Graeme Invitational vs. Westville 2nd XV 08h30 Kingswood U14 vs. Marlow U14
09h20 Kingswood U15 vs. Marlow U15 09h20 Graeme U14 vs. Selborne U14
10h10 PJ Olivier 1st XV vs. Nathaniel Nyaluza 1st XV 10h10 Cambridge U14 vs. Pearson U14
11h00 Graeme U15 vs. Selborne U15 11h00 Hudson Park U15 vs. Muir U15
11h50 Cambridge U15 vs. Pearson U15 11h50 Hudson Park U14 vs. Muir U14
12h40 Dale U15 vs. Nico Malan U15 12h40 Queen’s U14 vs. Brandwag U14
13h30 Queen’s U15 vs. Brandwag U15 13h30 Dale U14 vs. Nico Malan U14
16 Mar 2013, 01:37 am
@Angostura-325: Yeah, was thinking that after posting, in rugby terms I think they only had the two.
16 Mar 2013, 01:43 am
seems the emergence of the kings and current form of cheetas means no SA team is an easy beat at the moment. just grateful that sham that has been pretending to be a rugby union from joburg is no longer embarrassing our country with their feeble efforts.
sorry RL, but its true.
16 Mar 2013, 06:30 am
The Greek god produced yet another stable display against quality opposition.
He seems unfazed by it all.
16 Mar 2013, 06:33 am
@victoriabok-416:
A friend of mine who played that day, told me afterwards that he knew there was going to be big *****. There was a coloured guy at cenre, forgot the name now. Ha played many matches for WP.Said he saw the fear in the guy’s eyes when he passed the ball to him first time. haha
16 Mar 2013, 06:52 am
@Angostura 349
I think Holomisa played in the Mthata area which included other small towns like Tsolo, Libode and Ngqeleni.
I suspect he played for the Wallabies more or less at the same time as Ndungane senior.
He played under the Transkei Rugby Union which is now known as Border Country Districts.
16 Mar 2013, 06:56 am
This was a nice thread to read this morning.
Nice reminiscing from the guys
@nama1-446:
We who watched every match during that period at Newlands as lighties will never forget that era.
16 Mar 2013, 07:28 am
@Angostura-365:
Aah, Skip. A bear of a man. Was my Principal at Hugenote Boys when they still played decent rugby. Days of Japie Mulder and Chris Roussouw. He broke some touring All Black locks arm when playing for E-TVL or the Junior Boks.
@Tuna-430:
Is jy van Springs? Ja, die games teen springs Tek was altyd vooraf geloop met ‘n klomp jonges wat mekaar hard moer by die Vrydag aan sokkie of Van Riebeeck Hotel
@skopdiekan-412:
****, jy was seker hard gemoer deur die Dutchies. Jy is oeroud, het Pam Brink van so 1982 af gereeld besoek en sommer ‘n paar girls Sir Pierre, Girls high, Hugenote en Hans moore in die begrafplaas langsaan gepiets. Dit was my gunsteling gunsteling naaiplek aangesien ek hulle nie huis toe kon vat nie.
16 Mar 2013, 07:43 am
Again well done my Cheetahs big results and we backed up, Mothergoose looking good in fact the Cheetahs best defensive effort I have seen over the last two weeks. Johan Sadie, please lad just try to make the tackle lol but good otherwise.
Well done to the Kings huge manna boys, the gees is strong with P.E. every one in that crowd deserves a pat on the back, live in eternal hope that the rest of the Bloem okes will get it together when the pirates come home.
Lets go Bulls, c’mon boys, rolled the Blues History, roll the Canes Immortality!!!!!
16 Mar 2013, 07:45 am
@Captain Sam Vimes-458: Eeeps Sam far to much rum yesterday, hollystone the decks………………should read Saders not Canes
16 Mar 2013, 07:46 am
@nondoda-453: He is good – just imagine him behind a dominant pack like that of the Sharks, Bulls or Stormers …
not that I’m trying to suggest anything to them … hands off!
16 Mar 2013, 07:48 am
@Angostura-460: what about a GREEK fullback for the Boks?
16 Mar 2013, 07:49 am
@Angostura-460: has way more to offer than Kirchner and a more rounded player than Taute.
16 Mar 2013, 07:50 am
@nondoda-455: Thx for that, nondoba
16 Mar 2013, 08:03 am
I have really been impressed by the Kings this season.
Even though the team is made up by mercenaries (which completely defeats the purpose of starting the initiative in the 1st place) they have played with unmatched passion and the Eastern Cape faithful have bought into the euphoria.
If the Kings do play that promo relegation game against the Lions they will be favourites to win and then for the 2014 season they will have enough time to recruit players originally from the EC and breeding home grown talent.
Die Leeu’s het hulle kans gekry maar hulle het dit opgefok.
16 Mar 2013, 08:04 am
@Xkreni-WP-457: Yes, Skip & his Red Devils were fearsome – but also good (as in effective)
“some touring All Black locks arm” – that was the all time great, Sir Colin Meads:
” From 1957 until 1971 Meads was effectively an automatic All Black selection. The International Rugby Hall of Fame considers him to have been ‘the most famous forward in world rugby throughout the 1960s’. His strength and high threshold for pain became legendary — best illustrated when in a game against Eastern Transvaal in South Africa, in which he emerged from a particularly vicious ruck with his arm dangling horribly, with an obvious fracture, yet completed the match. When the doctor cut away his shirt and confirmed the break, Meads muttered, “At least we won the bloody game.”
Meads had the reputation of being “an enforcer” and was involved in some controversial incidents. In 1967, he was sent off by Irish referee Kevin D. Kelleher for dangerous play against Scotland at Murrayfield, and became only the second All Black suspended in a test match. The British Daily Telegraph newspaper said of the incident that ‘For one with Meads’ worldwide reputation for robust play, this was rather like sending a burglar to prison for a parking offence.’ In Australia he is notorious for having ended the career of Ken Catchpole by pulling Catchpole’s leg while he was pinned down, causing him serious injury.”
I might be wrong, but I have a recollection of Meads later on in that tour of SA continuing to play with a special arm brace (protection). The man is a legend.
16 Mar 2013, 08:35 am
Praising mediocrity? As I recall most also praised the Lions for playing a great running rugby, and how many times did they almost win just to lose the game in the dieing minutes and seconds of the game.
16 Mar 2013, 09:03 am
Ja ja exkrenie #457
Jy’s mos seker die oorwonderd ewege spyker koning van Pam Brink se begrafnis plaas
In 1966 het ek en my maatjie Jonathan Salt die jongste laat lammetjie van die Salt broers wie al drie vir Boys High rugby gespeel het in die 100 yds teen n jong reus van n sprinter van Hugenote gehardloop op inter schools by Pam Brink stadium. Ek was seker 5′ hoog toe ons o12 was, Jonathan Salt seker omtrent 5’8 en die Hugenote se laaitjie wie al klaar 13 jaar oud was omtrent miskien 6’0 hoog in sy sokkies. Al die Dutchie meisies het gedink hulle held die oorwonderd groot vinnige Goliath ons twee souties in sy stof gaat los. Ons het daai jare kaalvoet op die kort harde Pam Brink gras baan gehardloop. Jonathan het ek meestal net net geklop deur onse binne huis beeenkoms, hy was altyd net so n halwe tree vinnige as ek oor die 100 of die 150 yds wedloop.
Daai dag het ek n blitse wegspring gekry ek was eers uit d
16 Mar 2013, 09:06 am
@Treehugger-466: hahaha again i ask, what did cheeky watson do to you that you sit there every week with a mouth full of bile?
release the hate love, let love reign.
love for rugby.
16 Mar 2013, 09:08 am
Die blokke weg. Op 95 yds het Jonathan my ingehaal dit was n foto finish tussen ek en hom om te bepaal wie eerste geeindig het. Hy’t goud net net gekry ek het silwer geeis en die reus van Hugenote derde geeindig. Onse soutie meisies het hard gesing daai dag en die Hugenote meisies al pad huis toe gehuil.
16 Mar 2013, 10:16 am
@munkiboi. Are u serious. How many points did the chiefs take out of that match? Max? Get you facts right. Well see when the kings go touring how they will do and when injuries starts to take toll. Dont know if they have enough players. Dont get me wrong im all for sa teams doing well. But stop praising teams when they loose and give opposing team 5 points. If the lions played the exact same game would your comment be the same?
16 Mar 2013, 10:43 am
@Transformation-468: lol Sweetie, you seeing things, have hardly been on Keo for quite a while……welcome to the big league, you been dissiing Sharks and who ever takes your fancy for a few years now Kings are not the unfuckingtouchables, they are a team with professional players, I am on record here saying I would back the Lions over the Kings any day, that is my choice.
If I had to choose any team at the end of the season to play the relegation game against the Lions it would be the Kings, as far as I am concerned that would be fair.
I have no problem with the Kings players, I have a problem with the way your outfit was brought into the competition.
I have never been a fence sitter, and I don’t changes my opinions willynilly because its popular or unpopular.
SHARKSSSSSSSSSS
How’s them apples
16 Mar 2013, 11:49 am
Wonder if anything will be said about the fact that the Kings had 3 overseas players on the field at one stage.
Not on this site….
16 Mar 2013, 13:12 pm
@Treehugger-466:
Another description of mediocrity is –
scoring a paucity of tries & blaming humidity,
AND
most years flattering only to deceive, even with an abundance of poached talent at your disposal
if one is going to pronounce on mediocrity, at least be consistent …
16 Mar 2013, 13:19 pm
@Angostura-473:
In the Profession Era……………………………Poached Talent should not be seen as an insult.
Merely reality.
16 Mar 2013, 13:22 pm
@grrrr-472: The foreign player limitation is perplexing – every week I see a new description of it – I wish someone would just publish the rule so we all can see it!
Anyway, be that as it may, 2 is 2, & never 3
I was surprised when I saw 1 foreign player on the field & 2 on bench: On the last variation of the rule I heard/saw, I believed that to already be in breach of the rule. But to actually see 3! foreigners on the field, well, whichever way this is spun, it must be in breach of SARU’s rule
I guess it is up to SARU to enforce its own rules … or not
16 Mar 2013, 13:33 pm
@cane-474: Yes I see it as a reality, an irreversible reality, & I accept it as such
but
notwithstanding, when one franchise’s fan levels a charge of mediocrity against another (fledgling) franchise, one will be fully justified pointing out that the first fan’s franchise sports more players from the “mediocre” franchise (& several others, incidentally) than from its own homegrown human resources.
In fact, failing to stimulate & develop your own resources is another sign of mediocrity – in any era, whether professional or not. Long term it is short sighted.
16 Mar 2013, 16:01 pm
@Angostura-476: lol I don’t mind if you knock the Sharks, I wear my big girl panties on this site, my mediocrity team gives me a lot of pleasure, and isn’t to shabby.
16 Mar 2013, 16:14 pm
@Treehugger-477: But I’m not knocking the Sharks, just stating a few pertinent facts
Sharks normally give me lot of pleasure as well, but last two games less so …
But this S15 (thus far) nothing gives me greater pleasure than the Kings; and from what I see, hear & read many people feel the way I do, & this happy group is growing by the day …
anyway, Go Sharks!
16 Mar 2013, 16:34 pm
@Treehugger-471: really? you post & then praise your own words?
you are ofcourse entitled to preferring the surrendermonkeys over the Kings. Big bad Cheeky’s team must be worse than the Lions
16 Mar 2013, 20:00 pm
@David-355:
Every bit of this garbage is just not understood, confused, twisted and/or distorted and expresses a total lack of the comprehension of the profound principle of non-racialism in S.A. as developed and spelled out and propounded by SACOS.
Thus your words are eminently false and prostitutes the non-racial principles of people who made sacrifices you are totally incapable of ever making because of you unknown “racial background” and your lack of the culture of the S.African oppressed.
The debate before and after is mostly from more ignoramuses who admit to muddying the waters themselves as they confuse racist events with non-racist acts of political, sporting valour..
17 Mar 2013, 15:18 pm
http://www.rugby365.com/article/52678-kings-foreigners-back-in-spotlight
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